1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 13 Jul 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 385       Contents:& CTRL/C raise exceptions in PTHREAD$RTL6 DTSS time sync in Decnet-Plus, Too Few Servers message Ex post facto ODS-5 conversion" Re: Ex post facto ODS-5 conversion" Re: Ex post facto ODS-5 conversion" RE: Ex post facto ODS-5 conversion" Re: Ex post facto ODS-5 conversion" Re: Ex post facto ODS-5 conversion+ Re: g77 linker "multiple definition" errors + Re: g77 linker "multiple definition" errors P RE: Hack-proof and crash resistant - have you discovered the OS         world's P RE: Hack-proof and crash resistant - have you discovered the OS         world's P RE: Hack-proof and crash resistant - have you discovered the OS         world's P Hack-proof and crash resistant - have you discovered the OS world's best-kept se Mailing list as email/digest  Re: Mailing list as email/digest  Re: Mailing list as email/digest  Re: Mailing list as email/digest  Re: Mailing list as email/digest  Re: Mailing list as email/digest  Re: Mailing list as email/digest My Bank account EXPLODED0 Re: No Ethernet device on system (UCX 4.2 ECO 5)0 Re: No Ethernet device on system (UCX 4.2 ECO 5)0 Re: No Ethernet device on system (UCX 4.2 ECO 5)0 Re: No Ethernet device on system (UCX 4.2 ECO 5)1 Re: odd things with SYS$GETUAI and uai$_user_data 1 Re: odd things with SYS$GETUAI and uai$_user_data 1 Re: odd things with SYS$GETUAI and uai$_user_data 1 Re: odd things with SYS$GETUAI and uai$_user_data  OpenVMS makes ComputerWeekly< Re: OpenVMS probably the best designed o/s in  the market...< Re: OpenVMS probably the best designed o/s in  the market...< Re: OpenVMS probably the best designed o/s in  the market...< Re: OpenVMS probably the best designed o/s in  the market...) Oracle Classic migration (OpenVMS to WNT) 6 PF keyboard mappings for VMS telnet using RDP/Rdesktop SKHPCs available for viewing) Re: VAX Users See the Writing on the Wall ) Re: VAX Users See the Writing on the Wall  VT420 Available   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:18:58 +0200  From: jf.pieronne@laposte.net / Subject: CTRL/C raise exceptions in PTHREAD$RTL 2 Message-ID: <cd05ts$mph$1@news-reader1.wanadoo.fr>  O I have an old bug in Python and MySQL shells and as Python 2.4 and MySQL 2.1.4  7 will be released soon, I would like to fix this bug :-)   ( Hitting CTRL/C give the following error:  ! $ mysql -u root --password=xxxxxx 9 Welcome to the MySQL monitor.  Commands end with ; or \g. A Your MySQL connection id is 204 to server version: 4.1.3-beta-log   = Type 'help;' or '\h' for help. Type '\c' to clear the buffer.    mysql>   Cancel  ; %CMA-F-EXCCOP, exception raised; VMS condition code follows 4 -SYSTEM-F-CONTROLC, operation completed under CTRL/C/ %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows K    image    module    routine             line      rel PC           abs PC 4                  0 FFFFFFFF80C35710 FFFFFFFF80C357104   PTHREAD$RTL    0 0000000000026270 000000007BC442704   PTHREAD$RTL    0 00000000000455B8 000000007BC635B84   PTHREAD$RTL    0 00000000000462DC 000000007BC642DC4   PTHREAD$RTL    0 000000000002157C 000000007BC3F57C4   PTHREAD$RTL    0 0000000000020E5C 000000007BC3EE5C4   PTHREAD$RTL    0 0000000000046C10 000000007BC64C104                  0 FFFFFFFF8013CC54 FFFFFFFF8013CC544                  0 FFFFFFFF80137C84 FFFFFFFF80137C844   SMGSHR         0 000000000000BA8C 000000007B6F3A8CN   mysql  VMS__READLINE  vms__readline  17570 0000000000000188 000000000005B2F8C   mysql  mysql  read_lines  63186 00000000000018F4 00000000000518F4 C   mysql  mysql  main        62600 0000000000000938 0000000000050938 C   mysql  mysql  __MAIN          0 0000000000000070 0000000000050070 4   mysql          0 000000000007DA7C 000000000008DA7C4   PTHREAD$RTL    0 0000000000037870 000000007BC558704   PTHREAD$RTL    0 00000000000183E4 000000007BC363E44                  0 FFFFFFFF802674DC FFFFFFFF802674DC $ python: Python 2.3.4 (#0, Jun 15 2004, 18:58:06) [DECC] on OpenVMSF Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.  >>>   Cancel  ; %CMA-F-EXCCOP, exception raised; VMS condition code follows 4 -SYSTEM-F-CONTROLC, operation completed under CTRL/C/ %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows K    image    module    routine             line      rel PC           abs PC 4                  0 FFFFFFFF80C35710 FFFFFFFF80C357104   PTHREAD$RTL    0 0000000000026270 000000007BC442704   PTHREAD$RTL    0 00000000000455B8 000000007BC635B84   PTHREAD$RTL    0 00000000000462DC 000000007BC642DC4   PTHREAD$RTL    0 000000000002157C 000000007BC3F57C4   PTHREAD$RTL    0 0000000000020E5C 000000007BC3EE5C4   PTHREAD$RTL    0 0000000000046C10 000000007BC64C104                  0 FFFFFFFF8013CC54 FFFFFFFF8013CC544                  0 FFFFFFFF80137C84 FFFFFFFF80137C844   SMGSHR         0 000000000000BA8C 000000007B6F3A8C4   PYTHONSHR      0 000000000023AE14 000000000026CE144   PYTHONSHR      0 00000000001BAC4C 00000000001ECC4C4   PYTHONSHR      0 00000000001C7564 00000000001F95644   PYTHONSHR      0 00000000001C82AC 00000000001FA2AC4   PYTHONSHR      0 00000000001C91F4 00000000001FB1F44   PYTHONSHR      0 00000000001BFECC 00000000001F1ECC4   PYTHONSHR      0 00000000001755F4 00000000001A75F44   PYTHONSHR      0 00000000001753D4 00000000001A73D44   PYTHONSHR      0 00000000001751C8 00000000001A71C84   PYTHONSHR      0 00000000001E93AC 000000000021B3AC4   python         0 000000000001006C 000000000002006C4   PTHREAD$RTL    0 0000000000037870 000000007BC558704   PTHREAD$RTL    0 00000000000183E4 000000007BC363E44                  0 FFFFFFFF802674DC FFFFFFFF802674DC $      The SMG call is :          l_flags = 0; /* SMG$M_NOKEEP + SMG$M_NORECALL; */#          s = smg$read_composed_line M                  (&gl_keyboard_id                /* keyboard-id            */ M                  ,&gl_key_table_id               /* [key-table-id]         */ M                  ,&inputD                        /* resultant-string       */ M                  ,promptPtr                      /* [prompt-string]        */ M                  ,&reslen                        /* [resultant-length]     */ M                  ,0                              /* [display-id]           */ M                  ,&l_flags                       /* [flags]                */ M                  ,0                              /* [initial-string]       */ M                  ,0                              /* [timeout]              */ M                  ,0                              /* [rendition-set]        */ M                  ,0                              /* [rendition-complement] */ M                  ,0                              /* [word-terminator-code] */                   );     	 Any idea?      Thanks,   
 Jean-Franois    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:52:20 -0500 1 From: "Grealy, Patrick" <PGrealy@sph.uth.tmc.edu> ? Subject: DTSS time sync in Decnet-Plus, Too Few Servers message N Message-ID: <EEC575D39D864C4BBAE8CD309982B0F20158E878@sphnt33.sph.uth.tmc.edu>  F I'm confused about how the DTSS component of Decnet-Plus works. I haveG found a workable configuration but I wonder if it is a reliable one. We C have a two-node cluster running VMS 7.3-1 with Decnet-Plus and DTSS G version 2.0.0. Initially node_a was configured as a SERVER with SERVERS C REQUIRED=3D3 and node_b as a CLERK with SERVERS REQUIRED=3D1, the = 	 defaults. F This resulted in "Too few servers" alerts. However, by making node_b aG SERVER with SERVERS REQUIRED=3D3 the messages disappear. It seems to me B there are only two servers so I would expect the "Too few servers"& messages to continue. Any suggestions? Thanks,  Pat G.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2004 08:33:55 -0700& From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan)' Subject: Ex post facto ODS-5 conversion = Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0407130733.70356edd@posting.google.com>   E We've had a change of plan on one customer system, a DS15 running VMS C V7.3-2.  This was an upgrade from a VAX, and the two internal disks C were initialized as ODS-2.  There is a lot of free space available.   B I've been told we need to install the web suite (HPSWS, PHP, Perl,E Tomcat) plus the Java SDK on this box; we may even get to install use C MySQL later.  At least Java is going to want ODS-5, and some of the : other apps fit much better in that environment than ODS-2.  C So... I have to switch one disk.  The system disk is basically just E that; there are only three user-level accounts on it (the maintenance ? and management accounts), and one directory of production files F (because they didn't fit on one spindle on the old VAX).  The numerousD user login directories as well as the bulk of the production program* and file directories are on the data disk.  B There is no ODS-5 aware code on the system.  Its all DEC BASIC and generally 7+ years old.   E I'm hoping someone out there has had to do this recently and has some F insight.  I'm thinking of converting the data disk to ODS-5 and adding> a command to the user and maintenance logins to set parsing toC traditional style.  That should minimize impact to existing apps, I  think.  F Thanks for any input.  I just haven't had to do this before; the otherD ODS-5 disks on working systems were purpose-built from new, and have no older program usage.    Rich CCS    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:38:12 -0400 * From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>+ Subject: Re: Ex post facto ODS-5 conversion * Message-ID: <40F40FF4.6030609@rtfmcsi.com>  ) How about the belt & suspenders approach?   L Get an extra disk and init it as ODS-5 and then transfer the contents using L BACKUP.  Or, BACKUP/VERIFY to tape, re-init the volume as ODS-5 and restore D from tape if you don't have spare disk.  Disk drives are relatively I inexpensive, though, so I don't view the cost of an extra drive as being  K high compared to what would happen if the data were lost doing an in-place   conversion.   J Of course, all this is assuming that there isn't a clean ODS-2 ---> ODS-5 H in-place conversion.  Even WinNT had a FAT -> NTFS in-place conversion, I though, so I'd find it odd if OpenVMS didn't have that possibility for a  / similar conversion between file system formats.   M Like you, my one system with an ODS-5 volume [the system disk & only volume]  E was installed as ODS-5, so I've never even considered having to do a  ' conversion of an existing ODS-2 volume.      --   Chuck Chopp   8 ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com  @ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax Greer, SC  29651  , Do not send me unsolicited commercial email.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2004 10:02:48 -0700) From: "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@rbnsn.com> + Subject: Re: Ex post facto ODS-5 conversion . Message-ID: <cd14jo$s8@odbk17.prod.google.com>   Chuck Chopp wrote:+ > How about the belt & suspenders approach?  > G > Get an extra disk and init it as ODS-5 and then transfer the contents  using E > BACKUP.  Or, BACKUP/VERIFY to tape, re-init the volume as ODS-5 and  restore E > from tape if you don't have spare disk.  Disk drives are relatively D > inexpensive, though, so I don't view the cost of an extra drive as being C > high compared to what would happen if the data were lost doing an  in-place
 > conversion.   6 Why bother with that. From the DCL Help on SET VOLUME: SET    VOLUME   /STRUCTURE_LEVEL   /STRUCTURE_LEVEL=n  > Sets the structure level of the volume. Use the value 5 to set the volume to ODS-5.  6 When the /STRUCTURE_LEVEL qualifier is used with other@ qualifiers, the volume structure level is set prior to the other qualifiers being performed.   = You cannot use the SET VOLUME command to change a volume from 4 ODS-5 to ODS-2. To reset a volume to ODS-2, refer to instructions@ in the HP OpenVMS System Manager's Manual, Volume 1: Essentials.    @ You can change from ODS-2 to ODS-5 on the fly. You can't go backA easily. So you might still want to make a good backup of the disk  first.   Ken    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:55:54 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> + Subject: RE: Ex post facto ODS-5 conversion 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECICEIDDIAA.tom@kednos.com>      -----Original Message-----3   From: Chuck Chopp [mailto:ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com] &   Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 9:38 AM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com -   Subject: Re: Ex post facto ODS-5 conversion     +   How about the belt & suspenders approach?   >   Get an extra disk and init it as ODS-5 and then transfer the   contents usingA   BACKUP.  Or, BACKUP/VERIFY to tape, re-init the volume as ODS-5 
   and restore E   from tape if you don't have spare disk.  Disk drives are relatively J   inexpensive, though, so I don't view the cost of an extra drive as beingC   high compared to what would happen if the data were lost doing an 
   in-place
   conversion.   7 If you have a spare drive, why would you need the tape?   K   Of course, all this is assuming that there isn't a clean ODS-2 ---> ODS-5 I   in-place conversion.  Even WinNT had a FAT -> NTFS in-place conversion, J   though, so I'd find it odd if OpenVMS didn't have that possibility for a1   similar conversion between file system formats.   A   Like you, my one system with an ODS-5 volume [the system disk &    only volume]F   was installed as ODS-5, so I've never even considered having to do a)   conversion of an existing ODS-2 volume.        --
   Chuck Chopp   :   ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com  B   RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail4   103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax   Greer, SC  29651  .   Do not send me unsolicited commercial email.     --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A   Version: 6.0.717 / Virus Database: 473 - Release Date: 7/8/2004    --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.717 / Virus Database: 473 - Release Date: 7/8/2004    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2004 12:16:13 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) + Subject: Re: Ex post facto ODS-5 conversion 3 Message-ID: <BkiYvG9R0K9B@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <cc5619f2.0407130733.70356edd@posting.google.com>, jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) writes:G > I'm hoping someone out there has had to do this recently and has some H > insight.  I'm thinking of converting the data disk to ODS-5 and adding@ > a command to the user and maintenance logins to set parsing toE > traditional style.  That should minimize impact to existing apps, I  > think.  G    I've had no problems since switching all my user data disks to ODS-5 G    and updating my VAXen to 7.3.  Prior to 7.3 VAXen couldn't deal with E    ODS-5 disks at all, since then they can mount the disk and see the F    files in some fashion.  I'm stuck on 7.2-1 so I can't do the system    disk yet.  /    All my sylogin.com set parse style/extended.   F    I don't have production environments right now (those are mostly onH    VAXen and an Alpha frozen at other out-of-date realeases, so I could ,    have taken the hit if some bug turned up.  G    I used to have a program that insisted on only accepting A-Z, 0-9 in E    filenames, but that would work as long as I didn't need it to read G    file names with other special characters, and I had already changed      it to accept a-z, -, $, ...   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:31:17 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) + Subject: Re: Ex post facto ODS-5 conversion 2 Message-ID: <VTVIc.5768$Uk1.3542@news.cpqcorp.net>  + In article <40F40FF4.6030609@rtfmcsi.com>,  , Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com> writes:  K >Of course, all this is assuming that there isn't a clean ODS-2 ---> ODS-5   >in-place conversion. ...   8 For ODS-2 -> ODS-5 see HELP SET VOLUME /STRUCTURE_LEVEL.4 For ODS-5 -> ODS-2 you have to do a backup/restore. ?                    See the manual referenced in the HELP entry.   > It is alwasy good to have a known good image backup before you do something like this.    --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:41:21 GMT 0 From: glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>4 Subject: Re: g77 linker "multiple definition" errors- Message-ID: <57OIc.67611$%_6.10245@attbi_s01>    Nigel Barker wrote:   N > On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 22:26:40 GMT, glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> > wrote:   (snip)  D >>I wonder if it will run on earlier than Itanium 2 systems, though.  J > It will run on Mckinley rx2600s but note that 8.2 will not support these > original Itanium 2 systems.   3 Will 8.1 run on the ProLiant DL590/64, for example?    -- glen    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:53:35 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> 4 Subject: Re: g77 linker "multiple definition" errors8 Message-ID: <4lg7f095o6tnnvqh1a2rfm1102tmbaul9i@4ax.com>  L On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:41:21 GMT, glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote:   >Nigel Barker wrote: > O >> On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 22:26:40 GMT, glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> 	 >> wrote:  >  >(snip)  > E >>>I wonder if it will run on earlier than Itanium 2 systems, though.  > K >> It will run on Mckinley rx2600s but note that 8.2 will not support these  >> original Itanium 2 systems. > 4 >Will 8.1 run on the ProLiant DL590/64, for example?   No.    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:06:53 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> Y Subject: RE: Hack-proof and crash resistant - have you discovered the OS         world's  9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIOEHNDIAA.tom@kednos.com>   C Good Article.  In the parargraph on Calling Standards, remind again   why support for SDL was dropped?     -----Original Message-----I   From: Boeing NNTP News Access [mailto:nntp@news.boeing.com]On Behalf Of    Don McCabe&   Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 7:26 AM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com F   Subject: Hack-proof and crash resistant - have you discovered the OS?   world's best-kept secret? best-kept secret? best-kept secret?           From ComputerWeekly.com:    G   http://www.computerweekly.com/articles/article.asp?liArticleID=131808       --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A   Version: 6.0.717 / Virus Database: 473 - Release Date: 7/8/2004     --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.717 / Virus Database: 473 - Release Date: 7/8/2004    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:22:53 GMT / From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) Y Subject: RE: Hack-proof and crash resistant - have you discovered the OS         world's  - Message-ID: <Y3cQRVYjxDNi@cuebid.zko.dec.com>   % "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: E > Good Article.  In the parargraph on Calling Standards, remind again " > why support for SDL was dropped? >    >    From ComputerWeekly.com: I >   http://www.computerweekly.com/articles/article.asp?liArticleID=131808     @ Huh?  SDL (Structure Definition Language) has nothing to do with> the calling standard, per se.  I don't think SDL has ever been> "supported" in the traditional sense, so what are you claiming was "dropped"?  M I believe that SDL has been on the freeware CD for some time; VMS Engineering K is a rather prominent user of SDL; it is rather fundamental to the building  of VMS.    --    M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:06:23 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> Y Subject: RE: Hack-proof and crash resistant - have you discovered the OS         world's  9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIAEIEDIAA.tom@kednos.com>      -----Original Message-----8   From: Rob Brooks [mailto:brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam]'   Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 10:23 AM    To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com J   Subject: RE: Hack-proof and crash resistant - have you discovered the OS?   world's best-kept secret? best-kept secret? best-kept secret?     '   "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: G   > Good Article.  In the parargraph on Calling Standards, remind again $   > why support for SDL was dropped?   >    >    From ComputerWeekly.com: K   >   http://www.computerweekly.com/articles/article.asp?liArticleID=131808     B   Huh?  SDL (Structure Definition Language) has nothing to do with@   the calling standard, per se.  I don't think SDL has ever been@   "supported" in the traditional sense, so what are you claiming   was "dropped"?  C In that paragraph he discuss the inter-language calling capability, G that is what I was referring to.  By dropped I perhaps should have said * dropped the ball.  SDL is a great concept.   Is this only on my VAX?    HERMES> help sdl   SDL     H    The VAX Structure Definition Language (VAX  SDL)  is  used  to  writeH    source  statements  that  describe  data  structures  and that can beH    translated to source statements in other languages.  You can  includeH    the resulting output files in a corresponding target language program    for subsequent compilation.  H    Because  VAX  SDL  is  compiler-  and  language-independent,  it   isE    particularly useful for maintaining multilanguage implementations.   
    Format:>            SDL[/qualifier[...]] file-spec[/qualifier[...]],...  0    VAX SDL supports the following VMS languages:  E    o VAX Ada       o VAX BASIC   o VAX BLISS   o VAX C          o VAX 
 DATATRIEVEJ    o VAX FORTRAN   o VAX MACRO   o VAX Pascal  o VAXELN Pascal  o VAX PL/I    C   I believe that SDL has been on the freeware CD for some time; VMS 
   Engineering @   is a rather prominent user of SDL; it is rather fundamental to   the building	   of VMS.      --  1   Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group    brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com      --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A   Version: 6.0.717 / Virus Database: 473 - Release Date: 7/8/2004    --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.717 / Virus Database: 473 - Release Date: 7/8/2004    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:26:16 GMT - From: Don McCabe <donald.p.mccabe@boeing.com> Y Subject: Hack-proof and crash resistant - have you discovered the OS world's best-kept se ) Message-ID: <40F3F108.7060302@boeing.com>     From ComputerWeekly.com:   E http://www.computerweekly.com/articles/article.asp?liArticleID=131808    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2004 07:52:42 -0700* From: mclark@nemschoff.com (Michael Clark)% Subject: Mailing list as email/digest = Message-ID: <f5191d44.0407130652.7c680997@posting.google.com>   D Is it possible to get this group as a mailing list or digest?  UsingD google to access this list is clunky at best.  I dont really want to+ load a newsgroup client just for this list.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:13:36 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> ) Subject: Re: Mailing list as email/digest ' Message-ID: <40F3FC20.5040108@MMaz.com>    Michael Clark wrote:  E >Is it possible to get this group as a mailing list or digest?  Using E >google to access this list is clunky at best.  I dont really want to , >load a newsgroup client just for this list. >  >    > F Yeap, Mark at SAIC graciously runs a relay, send an e-mail to (change 9 the carot to an ampersand): Info-VAX-Request^Mvb.Saic.Com    with     SUBSCRIBE INFO-VAX   in the body of the message...    Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:10:29 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> ) Subject: Re: Mailing list as email/digest 8 Message-ID: <pmv7f01l4rqbca5ramhtiksqcri03lktnj@4ax.com>  P On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:13:36 -0700, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote:   >Michael Clark wrote:  > F >>Is it possible to get this group as a mailing list or digest?  UsingF >>google to access this list is clunky at best.  I dont really want to- >>load a newsgroup client just for this list.  >> >>   >>G >Yeap, Mark at SAIC graciously runs a relay, send an e-mail to (change  : >the carot to an ampersand): Info-VAX-Request^Mvb.Saic.Com  O I think that you mean change it to an '@' sign. I forget what the official word I is in English but in French it is an escargot (snail) which is cute:-) An  ampersand is '&'.    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:32:09 +0100 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> ) Subject: Re: Mailing list as email/digest 8 Message-ID: <6vv7f017i5jls75qga4ui1afsu7qnll2m9@4ax.com>  D On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:10:29 GMT, Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> wrote:  Q >On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:13:36 -0700, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote:  >  >>Michael Clark wrote: >>G >>>Is it possible to get this group as a mailing list or digest?  Using G >>>google to access this list is clunky at best.  I dont really want to . >>>load a newsgroup client just for this list. >>> H >>Yeap, Mark at SAIC graciously runs a relay, send an e-mail to (change ; >>the carot to an ampersand): Info-VAX-Request^Mvb.Saic.Com  > P >I think that you mean change it to an '@' sign. I forget what the official wordJ >is in English but in French it is an escargot (snail) which is cute:-) An >ampersand is '&'.  K "@" is known in English (afaik) only as an "at sign".  Its use predates the A internet, of course, but it still meant "at".   Which is nice ;-)    [The "^" symbol is a carat.]   --  / Team effort: A lot of people doing what I say.     Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:43:59 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> ) Subject: Re: Mailing list as email/digest ' Message-ID: <40F4033F.9030205@MMaz.com>    Nigel Barker wrote:   Q >On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:13:36 -0700, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote:  >  >    >  >>Michael Clark wrote: >> >>     >>G >>>Is it possible to get this group as a mailing list or digest?  Using G >>>google to access this list is clunky at best.  I dont really want to . >>>load a newsgroup client just for this list. >>>  >>>  >>> 	 >>>        >>> H >>Yeap, Mark at SAIC graciously runs a relay, send an e-mail to (change ; >>the carot to an ampersand): Info-VAX-Request^Mvb.Saic.Com  >>     >> > P >I think that you mean change it to an '@' sign. I forget what the official wordJ >is in English but in French it is an escargot (snail) which is cute:-) An >ampersand is '&'. >    > I Snicker, snicker... Hey, I'm only on my first cup of coffee this morning  # and my brain still hasn't booted...    Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:40:37 +0200 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>) Subject: Re: Mailing list as email/digest B Message-ID: <40f41086$0$26750$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>   Nigel Barker wrote: R > On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:13:36 -0700, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote: >  >  >>Michael Clark wrote: >> >> . . .  . . . Q > I think that you mean change it to an '@' sign. I forget what the official word K > is in English but in French it is an escargot (snail) which is cute:-) An  > ampersand is '&'.  >  > -- > Nigel Barker! > Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur   A In German we call it an "Affenklammer" meaning literally "Monkey  I bracket".  Also cute if you visualize a monkey with a long arm extending   past it's feet.    Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:58:27 +0200 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> ) Subject: Re: Mailing list as email/digest * Message-ID: <2liiufFcoi5jU1@uni-berlin.de>  / On 2004-07-13 17:13, "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:    > Michael Clark wrote: > F >>Is it possible to get this group as a mailing list or digest?  UsingF >>google to access this list is clunky at best.  I dont really want to- >>load a newsgroup client just for this list.  >> >>   >>H > Yeap, Mark at SAIC graciously runs a relay, send an e-mail to (change ; > the carot to an ampersand): Info-VAX-Request^Mvb.Saic.Com  >  > with   >  > SUBSCRIBE INFO-VAX >  > in the body of the message...   A ... or "HELP" to get a list of all supported commands, including:    | SET C | Sets various mailing parameters.  Syntax: SET list-name parameter  | The parameters accepted are: | A | DIGEST - which set your subscription to receive all postings in    ^^^^^^ | digest format.C | NODIGEST - which resets your subscription to receive each message  | individually.  |  | [...]    Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:20:29 GMT % From: "Max4568" <max4568@nowhere.net> ! Subject: My Bank account EXPLODED : Message-ID: <NHOIc.56686$uK.44616@twister.tampabay.rr.com>   My Bank account EXPLODED    1 http://www.contagiousplan.net/club10/mspitler.htm   - Q: Can I really get over $50,000 every month?  A: Yes! Guaranteed  1 http://www.contagiousplan.net/club10/mspitler.htm   V In less than 1 Week you can have your own Website like this one and start earning ....+ and then watch your Bank account EXPLODE !!    "This ContagiousPlan plan is really contagious, once your start your friends and colleagues get infected with it they just don't stop"  ? Quick and easy sign-up... get your own webpage in under 1 Week!   W This "Contagious Marketing" system works for you around-the-clock to bring you Fortune!   ` The Contagious nature of this system ensures that your Bank account will exponentially increase!  9 Your Bank Account Can Also Explode Like World Population.   1 http://www.contagiousplan.net/club10/mspitler.htm    Double a penny every day for a month and what do you get? Over one 10 Million $! That's the power of exponential growth, and the Internet is the one medium that can harness that power... for just $60!  Y ContagiousPlan fully exploits this phenomenon to help generate Fortune from your website!    So how does this system work?    Our system is similar to others you may have seen on the Internet with one major difference... our system guarantees Wealth through your website! The concept is simple; at the bottom of this page you will notice 6 members boxes.  ` NO RISK, BECAUSE THE NEW MEMBER PAYS YOU DIRECTLY. YOU DON'T WAIT FOR PAYMENTS FROM THE COMPANY.  When you sign up, you will receive a website just like this one with your Box in the #1 position! The member that was in the #1 position will move down to the #2 position, the 2nd to the #3 position, and so on with the 5th member being taken off of the page.  When someone signs up from your website, their membership will be placed in the #1 spot with you moving to the #2 spot, the 2nd moving down to the #3 spot and so on. By the time your position reaches the #5 spot, you will have noticed an amazing amount of Wealth earned!    How do I get guaranteed earning?  1 http://www.contagiousplan.net/club10/mspitler.htm    When someone signs up from your site, they must first click on your Box which will open a new window leading to your payment page.  9 Each Box will have to be clicked on to pay the 6 upliners    How much Wealth can I expect?    Lets be extremely conservative and assume that your webpage and everybody else's pages only get 10 sign-ups, when you reach 5th level it will look something like the calculation below:   CONSERVATIVE EXAMPLE> 10 people sign up from you:  1 x 10 =  Your earn 10 x $10=$100J 10 people sign up from each of them:  10 x 10 =  Your earn 100 x $10=$1000O 10 people sign up from each of them:  10 x 100 =  Your earn 1,000 x $10=$10,000tS 10 people sign up from each of them:  10 x 1,000 =  Your earn 10,000 x $10=$100,000rW 10 people sign up from each of them:  10 x 10,000 =  Your earn 100,000 x $10=$1,000,000e4 Total: 100+1000+10,000+100,000+1,000,000= $1,111,100  1 http://www.contagiousplan.net/club10/mspitler.htmd    "This system works amazingly well on the Internet. There is nothing to slow it down. You can setup your ContagiousPlan webpage today and have 5 or 10 sign-ups within a few days! With it being so easy to join you could literally have over 50,000 sites displaying your Box within a short time!  ] The system works extremely well so be prepared for some massive visitor traffic to your site!    We also provide FREE Tools to help promote your ContagiousPlan webpage! Ready to start receiving your Fortune ? Then follow the instructions below!E      1 http://www.contagiousplan.net/club10/mspitler.htm    FAQo  G 1. I don't really understand this. What exactly do you want me to do???   % The steps to your success are simple:sy First of all, ask yourself if you would like to make some extra money with little effort (anyone would want that, right?)h  7 Second, if you answered yes to that, ask yourself this:p "Would you rather go it alone and have to do all the work to get a return on your investment OR would you rather work with a group of like minded people who help each other earn a return on their investment?" If you answered yes to that, you should not hesitate to join us right away. Start from the Home Page, 1st pay your sponsor, the 1st member, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th member. Now you are ready to sign up.  When joining, you will be asked to choose which MLM opportunity downline builders (Sponsor) you would like to join. You can select any or search randomly. After you have joined, you can just sit back and wait to see your downline grow, OR you can do some sponsoring yourself to move things along a lot faster!  1 http://www.contagiousplan.net/club10/mspitler.htmn  ( 2. I still think this is very suspicious,We are aware that this seems strange to most of you. You think that this is a pyramid scheme or a fraud that will make you lose your money. We do not collect the fees from members, set their guidelines or pay the commissions earned. Each member pays his upline directly without companies involvement.  FMulti Level Marketing is a serious business strategy to put a company in great profit. By using a group of independent contactors they have a major savings on advertising. So, they pay YOU to advertise and sell their product for them. They use this savings to pay you a commission on your sales and the sales of your downline!   The majority of people that get involved in MLM or Network Marketing (95% is the latest figure published) don't  recruit a large enough downline to get a return on their investment. By gathering all the people that cannot sell or recruit, we end up with a huge mass of people who end up losing their investment. Here is where Contagious Plan enters. By banding together and helping each other, everyone can get a return on their investment with just a fraction of the work and cost it would take alone!  Everyone  wins!  $ 3. I don't see why I should join you   Okay  mYou will probably forget about us in a couple of days. You did NOT make any money and you did NOT lose any time. I guarantee you that you will be seeing our name around the net and our members talking about the club. Maybe the next time you see something about us you will decide that a little help would be nice. So you visit again and this time decide to sign up.0  4You visit our Home page, read the message board and see that other people are excited about what we offer. You wait for a few weeks but then you lose confidence in our system, so you leave. This time you did NOT make any money but you DID lose some time. Again in a few days you forget about Contagious Plan.  Then you see something about Contagious Plan again. You decide to give it another try. You visit the member's area, read the message board and mail a few people to hear their opinion about the club. You give it a little more time and suddenly you feel excited. No doubt about it, all these people are here to make money! And in the message board there are people who actually have made money and who participate again!   A couple of months pass and suddenly it's your turn to join the MLM company. You hesitate. Should you really risk the investment of say $12? After thinking it over, you decide to go for it. After all, $12 is not that much money these days.R  Now comes the hardest part. Waiting for the members below you to join. This requires patience. They now need to wait for their downline to grow. You should try to help the members below you by answering their questions and easing their mind. If you did it, they can do it!  HA couple of days will pass again. You begin to think that you were fooled and then suddenly... Pop! look into your mailbox. Excited you open it...$2 x 5=$10! in your PayPal account. You are stunned! Although the sum isn't big, you scream out loud because your initial investment is almost paid back. It worked! It really worked!   Quickly you telling others about Contagious Plan. Excitedly you write in the message board that you have got your first payment! "It really works, so now I'm going to join again!"F   A couple of days later...Pop! ...$120! Gosh! Two weeks later...$200! "Sheezzaam! This really works! How could I ever doubt in this?!"    You can continue to go it alone and do all the hard work, invest all the time and money it takes to build a downline of eager opportunity seekers who also want to make an extra income OR you can at least check it out.i  1 http://www.contagiousplan.net/club10/mspitler.htm     < 4. Why do I need you? Can't I join the MLM company directly?  Of course you can join any business opportunity you want without our assistance. If you are willing to continuously work countless hours convincing others to join under you to keep your downline filled. You will almost certainly fail and lose confidence in the network marketing method.  Contagious Plan helps you with the hardest part of MLM...to sponsor people. When everyone who joins does just a little marketing everyday, everyone's downline stays filled! Everyone earns doing just a fraction of the work that the super salespeople have to do!  dEach of us wanted to earn some extra income when we tried out our first MLM company. Because we were working alone we failed. That's why we started the club! We knew there had to be a better way. What if the 95% who would normally fail joined together to help each other SUCCEED?! Contagious Plan was born with this thought! We want to help YOU make money!  N 6. What if the company closes after 6 months? I don't believe any MLM company!  INormally, MLM companies fail when the growth stops and the revenue generated is far less than the Multi-Tier Payouts. Contagious Plan does not have any Payouts each member pays his upline directly, so there is no question of closing. We take only a part of your fee to keep the Website going and to cover the administration cost.    If you have done the little work needed to train your immediate downline to do what you did, you can watch as the members below you join and pay as well. Then you will start receiving $$$ from your downline!r   If you choose to do nothing it will take a lot longer to fill your downline. But hey, you did nothing, so why complain? You never have to do anything except for paying the fee when invited to join under your upline member.  G 7. This looks like a pyramid scheme to me. How can you say it is legal?    Pyramid schemes or chain letters are illegal. Contagious Plan is NOT one of those. Contagious Plan is a Downline building Club. We help you build downlines with interested people who want to join the MLM companies.   In a pyramid scheme you buy yourself a position in a network in order to make money and the company offers no product. The way you make money is to get other people to join under you and get them to get others to join under them, without getting a product.  S goto http://www.contagiousplan.net/club10/mspitler.htm and start making money now!!-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:49:33 GMT F From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)9 Subject: Re: No Ethernet device on system (UCX 4.2 ECO 5)e2 Message-ID: <xTQIc.5732$S11.5168@news.cpqcorp.net>    Always start with the "obvious".  4 Did you do a full or minimum boot when you did this?  3 Can you see an Ethernet device from the DCL prompt?o  + Can LANCP or DECnet see an Ethernet device?s  & If not, can SYSMAN configure a device?  9 If not, can ANALYZE /SYSTEM and CLUE CONFIG see a device?n  2 If not, can you see a device from the console when OpenVMS isn't running?   -- c(  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have a-5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:10:34 -0700c From: Z <z@no.spam>D9 Subject: Re: No Ethernet device on system (UCX 4.2 ECO 5)s0 Message-ID: <10f7ra5nqrqef5c@corp.supernews.com>   Bart Z. Lederman wrote:r" > Always start with the "obvious".6 > Did you do a full or minimum boot when you did this?  
 Full boot.  * During reboot, I see a (from recollection): "%EW?? ... twisted pair mode (10base100TX) set by console"   I'll double check that.i    5 > Can you see an Ethernet device from the DCL prompt?o- > Can LANCP or DECnet see an Ethernet device?s( > If not, can SYSMAN configure a device?; > If not, can ANALYZE /SYSTEM and CLUE CONFIG see a device?d5  > If not, can you see a device from the console whenn  > OpenVMS isn't running?h  ) I'll check all of those and respond back.i  9 Note that if I restore the old UCX$*.DAT files and rebooti; the system, UCX starts and the interface is there (UCX SHOWt INT).s  
 Thank you.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:44:30 -0400o= From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@nfw-invalid.cibtrikker.com> 9 Subject: Re: No Ethernet device on system (UCX 4.2 ECO 5) 1 Message-ID: <NJSdnful5obNaG7d4p2dnA@adelphia.com>   K "Z" <z@no.spam> wrote in message news:10f6abshp42pe3f@corp.supernews.com...t? > I'm trying to remove all current UCX (V4.2 ECO 5) settings on3B > an inherited Alphaserver (OpenVMS 7.1-2) ... so I shut down UCX,D > renamed the UCX$*.DAT files in SYS$SYSTEM and then ran UCX$CONFIG. >bA > UCX$CONFIG recreated new .DAT files and all seemed fine until IsE > tried to define the Interface (in Core).  The interface is/was IE0,t9 > but now I'm getting a repeatable error from UCX$CONFIG:E >Y  > "No Ethernet device on system" >  > and then UCX$CONFIG aborts.y >d > Arrgh! >r > What am I doing wrong? >t >l  I V4.2 probably did not support the IE0 device.  Try defining a system-widen logical for a device2 that it probably does support, for example WE0 ...         $ DEFINE /SYSTEM WE0 IE0:h   Then re-run your config.   -JohnT7 (No longer associated with TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS)E   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:21:39 -0400 4 From: David R. Beatty <QWDavidER.TYBeattyUI@sas.com>9 Subject: Re: No Ethernet device on system (UCX 4.2 ECO 5)l8 Message-ID: <1do7f057kc5e80rp6st1b7uvm5r2h4grs0@4ax.com>  8 On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:15:08 -0700, Z <z@no.spam> wrote:  > >I'm trying to remove all current UCX (V4.2 ECO 5) settings onA >an inherited Alphaserver (OpenVMS 7.1-2) ... so I shut down UCX,sC >renamed the UCX$*.DAT files in SYS$SYSTEM and then ran UCX$CONFIG.t > @ >UCX$CONFIG recreated new .DAT files and all seemed fine until ID >tried to define the Interface (in Core).  The interface is/was IE0,8 >but now I'm getting a repeatable error from UCX$CONFIG: >c  >	"No Ethernet device on system" >5 >and then UCX$CONFIG aborts. >K >Arrgh!C >C >What am I doing wrong?  >   0 One thing you can look at is to make sure Decnet7 is started, if you are running Decnet.  The MAC address09 stored for the interface is the Decnet broadcast address.    David R. Beattyn   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:10:33 -0500a( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon): Subject: Re: odd things with SYS$GETUAI and uai$_user_data1 Message-ID: <04071308103300@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>    Kilgallen@SpamCop.net writes:   P > > Using the SYS$GETUAI and SYS$SETUAI I am maintaining employee information in* > > the SYSUAF file (uai$_user_data area). > > J > > The application I wrote up works for almost every account (1500 or so)	 > howevervP > > does not work on a handful (12 or less).  The application READS (getuai) theC > > uai$_user_data then changes the value and then WRITES (setuai).  > > Q > > I was racking my brains out on this and decided to delete the problem accountMF > > and re-add it.  Subsequently, the update to uai$_user_data worked. > H > Are you certain you are using the first byte of the field as a count ?  ) I am not aware of this.  Will look into. O     J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*nn VMS Systems Administratoro* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:09:04 -0500c( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon): Subject: Re: odd things with SYS$GETUAI and uai$_user_data1 Message-ID: <04071308090475@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman writes:J >  FWIW, I don't generally recommend using the UAF for the storage of userI >  data, the existence of the itemcode aside.   This for various reasons,rG >  not the least of which is a complete lack of coordination across anyi% >  potential users of UAI$_USER_DATA.i > H >  Check that there is not already somebody else using the SYSUAF recordH >  in other words, or something else odd about the particular UAF record
 >  itself. >-I >  It is much safer -- and just as supported -- to use a private file for:I >  this and other data.  I use tools which regularly synchronize with themG >  current records stored in the SYSUAF, keeping the side database file.A >  current with the status of the records in the main SYSUAF ile.e  L User data.  Agreed, I should have been more explicit.  I only use this fieldH for the employee number - which gives me a backward link to our employeeP database.  Pertinent employee information is not contained in the UAI$_USER_DATAD field.  I too have my reservations about storing data in this field.  H Odd record.  I have looked and can not find anything out of order.  More digging to do.         J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*nO VMS Systems Administratore* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:33:53 GMTs9 From: Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com> : Subject: Re: odd things with SYS$GETUAI and uai$_user_data/ Message-ID: <40F3E87B.886B20D1@eps.zko.dec.com>e   John Brandon wrote:,    > Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman writes:L > >  FWIW, I don't generally recommend using the UAF for the storage of user/ > >  data, the existence of the itemcode aside.d   :   S > User data.  Agreed, I should have been more explicit.  I only use this field  theIL > employee number - which gives me a backward link to our employee database.  T That sounds like good usage to me. Just a little data, easy to keep in sync and even6 recreateable if need be (from that employee database).  R > Odd record.  I have looked and can not find anything out of order.  More digging > to do.  M Should it happen again, be sure to keep a copy of the 'broken' sysuaf around.iP You'll need to figure out a way to determine whether it is an RMS thing with theE record locate/update versus an setuai/setuai thing with the contents. Q I suppose that if you can change (and later restore) an other 'benign' field likee/ enq from X to X+1 then the RMS part is working.hP If it is about the record contents, then you'll want a DUMP of the record. Hint:S SEARC/NUM and then use that number to DUMP/RECO=(COU=1,STA=number). The dump outputo= will in turn contain the RFA, whcih you may want to use for alG DUMP/BLOC=(coun=5-or-whatever-bucket-size-you-have,start=rfa-vbn-part).-   Hein.-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:35:14 GMTm9 From: Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com>m: Subject: Re: odd things with SYS$GETUAI and uai$_user_data/ Message-ID: <40F3E8CC.A9AD9F4A@eps.zko.dec.com>n   John Brandon wrote:G    > Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman writes:L > >  FWIW, I don't generally recommend using the UAF for the storage of user/ > >  data, the existence of the itemcode aside.n   :x  S > User data.  Agreed, I should have been more explicit.  I only use this field  the8L > employee number - which gives me a backward link to our employee database.  T That sounds like good usage to me. Just a little data, easy to keep in sync and even6 recreateable if need be (from that employee database).  R > Odd record.  I have looked and can not find anything out of order.  More digging > to do.  M Should it happen again, be sure to keep a copy of the 'broken' sysuaf around.>P You'll need to figure out a way to determine whether it is an RMS thing with theE record locate/update versus an setuai/setuai thing with the contents.IQ I suppose that if you can change (and later restore) an other 'benign' field like2/ enq from X to X+1 then the RMS part is working.yP If it is about the record contents, then you'll want a DUMP of the record. Hint:S SEARC/NUM and then use that number to DUMP/RECO=(COU=1,STA=number). The dump outpute= will in turn contain the RFA, whcih you may want to use for anG DUMP/BLOC=(coun=5-or-whatever-bucket-size-you-have,start=rfa-vbn-part).e   Hein.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:03:09 GMTm6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com>% Subject: OpenVMS makes ComputerWeekly ? Message-ID: <NQSIc.150912$2o2.8130004@twister.southeast.rr.com>   C Hack-proof and crash resistant - have you discovered the OS world's  best-kept secret?  By: Colin Butcher E http://www.computerweekly.com/articles/article.asp?liArticleID=131808   L Send the pointer to everyone to make sure the article gets a high hit count. :)  H Colin Butcher is technical director of XDelta and board member of the HP
 User Group http://www.xdelta.co.uk/  J Write the publisher, tell them you liked the article and would like to see! more articles related to OpenVMS.g editorial@computerweekly.com     Kens   -- Kenneth R. Farmer <><: OpenVMS.org    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jul 2004 23:54:02 -0700 From: mb301@hotmail.com (MB)E Subject: Re: OpenVMS probably the best designed o/s in  the market... = Message-ID: <1d08b916.0407122254.487b5beb@posting.google.com>:  C Hack-proof and crash resistant - have you discovered the OS world'sR best-kept secret?r    e  t? OpenVMS offers unmatched robustness for business-critical apps Y  C OpenVMS (originally known as VMS) is probably the best designed andsE most robust general purpose operating system in existence. It is alsoi? one of the least-known and appreciated, simply because it workseD quietly in the background without drama, unlike its noisier and more fussy siblings and offspring.   B You will typically find OpenVMS in any environment that is seriousF about high availability, disaster tolerance, security, performance andB scalability, especially when running real-time applications. UsersE include banks, stock exchanges, healthcare, manufacturing, aerospace, F online billing, lotteries, chip manufacturing, oil and gas production,= power stations, railways, government and secure public sectorE9 applications. In short, anything that really has to work.-   Uptime measured in years  E OpenVMS system uptimes are often measured in years - it being a pointcB of honour to avoid rebooting and causing disruption unless utterly
 essential.  B There are clusters out there with uninterrupted service uptimes inF excess of 15 years, even if individual machines have been occasionallyF rebooted, upgraded or replaced. That is a far cry from today's "rebootE and restart" culture, where users seem willing to tolerate disruptiondC to service - indeed, they have come to expect it. If only they werek= aware there is a better way. OpenVMS is one of the industry's > best-kept secrets - those in the know would not consider using, anything else for business-critical systems.  B OpenVMS runs on three hardware platforms: Vax (32-bit Cisc), AlphaE (64-bit Risc) and Itanium (64-bit Epic). A system disc from any Alphae> will boot and run on any other Alpha. The same goes for Vaxes,= including software-emulated Vaxes. Likewise for the latest HPn@ Integrity servers. OpenVMS will boot and run on anything from anD RX2600 to a Superdome. This scalability and interoperability derives? from the excellent internal architectural structure of OpenVMS.   D The bigger machines (Superdome, GS1280, etc) can be hard-partitioned= to make a group of hardware resources inaccessible from othereD partitions. OpenVMS also supports soft partitions, using a mechanism< known as Galaxy. This allows CPU resources to be dynamically? reallocated between soft partitions to meet changing workloads.u  F Partitioned systems are often used for server consolidation. Extending> that by dynamic reallocation of hardware resources leads us to adaptive computing.a   Pioneer of clustering   > OpenVMS pioneered clustering in the mid-1980s and is still theF standard to which all others aspire. It provides a "shared everything"@ model with minimal cluster state transition latency if a cluster
 member fails.   ; This model allows all the resources in a cluster to be usedE? concurrently, not in a failover or standby mode. There are manylD disaster-tolerant, split-site clusters in operation that continue toC provide uninterrupted service without loss of data, even when whole;E sites fail. The largest supported OpenVMS cluster is 96 nodes - whereo/ each node can be a large multiprocessor system.   F Cluster interconnects can be anything from the original CI hardware to? Gigabit Ethernet, or even Galactic memory in a soft-partitioned. system.o  ? Many operations staff find using better-known operating systems C frustrating in comparison to OpenVMS. The issues are primarily poort= availability and reliability, combined with the difficulty of:> obtaining performance analysis and fault log data for capacityF planning and fault analysis purposes. OpenVMS is generally seen as the gold standard for such things.  E For instance, OpenVMS comes with essential tools and facilities (mostsD prominently, image back-up and restore) built in, rather than havingF to be added on. In most cases, you simply install it, configure it forD your workload, add your applications and system-management utilitiesE (typically DCL command files), then run it as a black box operationall environment.  > As an operating system with a real-time pre-emptive scheduling> mechanism, OpenVMS has always been capable of handling complexD real-time events. The interrupt-driven I/O subsystem design aims forE minimal latency, so OpenVMS is capable of exceedingly high, sustained-E I/O throughput, especially with V7.3-2 on Alpha EV7 (Marvel) systems.BA It will be interesting to see how V8.2 on Alpha and the Integritye) server range compare when it is released.@  E As a software development environment, OpenVMS provides a rich set ofsB features and programming languages, debug facilities and operating system services.  A A key aspect of the OpenVMS design is the "calling standard" that B allows code modules to be written in any language and code to call; routines written in other languages. This is a great aid toM: application portability and, of course, to debugging code.  @ It is the architectural structures that make it easy to optimiseC memory use with shared image libraries and also to deliver software B compatibility between versions of the operating system without the* need to recompile and relink applications.  @ Although off-the-shelf package-based products may be in fashion,B designing and implementing your own is the only way to utilise the( capabilities of the underlying platform.  D This is especially true for high-availability environments where the= features have to be built into the application and need to bel8 reflected throughout the system architecture. Time spentE investigating, testing, customising and deploying a package can oftenyF be better spent developing your own product layered on top of a system; designed around the minimum components that fit the overall  application architecture.h  F OpenVMS also has excellent security. A hacking contest was held at theB DefCon 9 conference in July 2001, where the winner was not NT, XP,< Solaris, Linux or BSD. It was VMS, which was rated "cool and unhackable".   Not legacy nor unfashionable  C OpenVMS generally appeals to those who take pride in using computer-C systems to do a job effectively and reliably, rather than those whoiF want to live at the bleeding edge with the newest (and often immature) technology.-  E Probably the biggest challenge for OpenVMS to overcome is its lack of6E public visibility. This has led to the perception of it being old, or0B legacy, or simply unfashionable, whereas in fact it is still underE major development. This includes secure and stable implementations ofiF commonly-used software such as Apache, Java, Mozilla, Perl, Python and XML.  C End-users, system managers and software developers want and need to D see sufficient advertising of OpenVMS' strengths and capabilities so@ that those at board level can realise that in many cases it is a8 better and more cost-effective way of delivering secure,C ultra-reliable and scalable business-critical systems than the morea- fashionable and better-promoted alternatives.a  E Now the new HP has begun to settle down, and with the porting work touF the Integrity server range almost complete, the expectation is that we? will see the many benefits of using OpenVMS-based systems being:@ actively promoted. OpenVMS has a long life ahead of it, once theE current and future generations of decision-makers realise what it can3 do for their businesses.  E Colin Butcher is technical director of XDelta and board member of the 
 HP User Group4   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:39:32 +01000& From: Nic Clews <spamthis@[127.0.0.1]>E Subject: Re: OpenVMS probably the best designed o/s in  the market... ' Message-ID: <cd0743$fph$1@lore.csc.com>s  	 MB wrote:s  E > Hack-proof and crash resistant - have you discovered the OS world's  > best-kept secret?   @ If you go to http://www.computerweekly.com/ middle column under ? 'Technology', you can find the article under the heading above.d  E The reason Bill couldn't see the article was that there is an online bH version of the printed paper, and the "trailer" for this article was in A that. It is a subscription, either paper or online, with current  H articles available online without subs. I get the paper copy, and I saw B the printed trailer. The paper copy should get in my mailbox this  morning, postie permitting.s   -- tE Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. Car Park Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesi nclews at csc dot comw   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:42:10 +0200&* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>E Subject: Re: OpenVMS probably the best designed o/s in  the market... * Message-ID: <2lhp3mFd2f41U1@uni-berlin.de>   Nic Clews wrote: > MB wrote:r > F >> Hack-proof and crash resistant - have you discovered the OS world's >> best-kept secret? >  > B > If you go to http://www.computerweekly.com/ middle column under A > 'Technology', you can find the article under the heading above.e >   4 Thanks for the directions. Horribly long URL follows    > n http://www.computerweekly.com/articles/article.asp?liArticleID=131808&liArticleTypeID=20&liCategoryID=1&liChannelID=4&liFlavourID=1&sSearch=&nPage=1  5 (Sorry, www.tinyurl.com is unreachable at the moment)e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:54:44 +0100y- From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>kE Subject: Re: OpenVMS probably the best designed o/s in  the market...a* Message-ID: <2li0v8Fd4gdmU1@uni-berlin.de>   Paul Sture wrote:0   > Nic Clews wrote: >  >> MB wrote: >>G >>> Hack-proof and crash resistant - have you discovered the OS world's  >>> best-kept secret?5 >>C >> If you go to http://www.computerweekly.com/ middle column under  B >> 'Technology', you can find the article under the heading above. >> > 6 > Thanks for the directions. Horribly long URL follows >n >>   > http://www.computerweekly.com/articles/article.asp?liArticleID=131808&liArticleTypeID=20&liCategoryID=1&liChannelID=4&liFlavourID=1&sSearch=&nPage=1 t  : Shorter URL (which you get when you "Send to a Friend" :-)  E http://www.computerweekly.com/articles/article.asp?liArticleID=131808t   P.s. nice article, Colin !  	 Roy Omonds Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2004 10:41:51 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)2 Subject: Oracle Classic migration (OpenVMS to WNT)= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0407130941.4d27a144@posting.google.com>.   Dear Sirs (DBAs)  7 We have an old AXP server with a legacy Oracle Databasei: with financial information and we need to migrate it from + the OpenVMS server to a Windows NT server.  : We will perform a full export and import. Do you know any 9 specific consideration about migrating from Oracle under 0- OpenVMS to Oacle under WNT: ACLs, users etc ?    Or just do it ?   B $ exp73 userid=system/manager file=exp.dmp full=y log=exp_test.log  J C:\imp80 userid=system/manager file=exp.dmp full=y show=y log=imp_test.log     Regards    FC   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2004 07:50:31 -0700* From: mclark@nemschoff.com (Michael Clark)? Subject: PF keyboard mappings for VMS telnet using RDP/Rdesktop < Message-ID: <f5191d44.0407130650.ca376ad@posting.google.com>  F This was originally posted to the Thinstation mailing list and then toB the Rdesktop list.  They dont seem to be very interested in PF key> support, I think perhaps I am the only one trying to use this.  B Thinstation is a small linux distrobution that usings Rdesktop for) terminal services connections to windows.t, --------------------------------------------    @ With Thinstation 2.1, if I launch a telnet session to an OpenVMS server> 7.2-1 all the keyboard mappings are correct with DEC PF1-PF4.  Everything works great.e  E When I try the same thing from inside Rdesktop, The PF1 (number lock)! key'B does not work correctly (non DEC mapping).  The connection is madeD using a program called Smart term, which works on windows computers,) and in Microsoft's remote desktop client.F  8 I believe this is where the mapping needs to be changed:L vim Thinstation-2.1/packages/keymaps-en_us/rdesktop/lib/kmaps/keymaps/common     #d # Numpad #o  Num_Lock 0x45 <-- problem maybe? KP_Divide 0xb5 KP_Multiply 0x37 KP_Subtract 0x4a KP_Add 0x4e 
 KP_Enter 0x9c   D I have found many places that talk about PF keys, and mappings.  And beenB told about 6-7 different Hex values for that this should/could be.  @ If anyone can point me in the correct direction I appreciate it.  
 Michael Clarka Nemschoff Chairs Inc mclark at nemschoff dot como" CompTIA A+, Network+, Server+, MCP Voice: (920) 457 7726 x294 Fax:  (920) 453 6594   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:13:44 GMTl6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com>% Subject: SKHPCs available for viewingd? Message-ID: <cLUIc.150921$2o2.8138683@twister.southeast.rr.com>a  ; A number of 2003 issues of SKHPC now available for viewing.g  2 SKHPCV10N16 April 1, 2003 - April Fool's Day IssueE SKHPCV10N16B April 5, 2003 - HP Offers All the SMB News That's Fit toi Print - or ProjectD SKHPCV10N17 April 10, 2004 - News of a NonStop Nature: Pauline's NED Certainly Not in PerilF SKHPCV10N18 April 15, 2003 - HP Brings Enterprise-Class Storage to the MidrangeL SKHPCV10N19 April 22, 2003 - HP's OpenVMS is Alive and Well on Itanium2; and SKHPC Has the ProofoG SKHPCV10N20 May 2, 2003 - HP Announces Global Realignment of EnterpriseO BusinessG SKHPCV10N21 May 2, 2003 - HP Announces Global Realignment of Enterprise  BusinessG SKHPCV10N22 May 2, 2003 - After a Long, Strange Year, SKHPC Says "Happyl Birthday" to the New HPeG SKHPCV10N23 May 13, 2003 - Intel Discloses Erratum Du Jour - No WorriescE SKHPCV10N24 May 13, 2003 - HP Offers a Glimpse of the Future with Itsi Utility Data Center TechnologyK SKHPCV10N25 May 22, 2003 - Amsterdam Antics: SKHPC at the CUO/Interex/DECUS1 European Conference 2003H SKHPCV10N26 May 31, 2003 - HP and BEA Take a "Weblogical" Approach to IT
 Heterogeneity K SKHPCV10N27 June 1, 2003 - HP Brings Home Its Latest Report Card, ConfoundsP
 Nay-SayersI SKHPCV10N28 June 6, 2003 - HP Ramps Up Efforts To Design And Build Future  NonStop SystemstJ SKHPCV10N29 June 16, 2003 - SKHPC Spreads the OpenVMS Gospel in London and ViennaF SKHPCV10N30 June 28, 2003 - SKHPC Travels to Ottawa, Canada for CANACU	 Symposium   2 http://www.shannonknowshpc.com/pages.php?page=2003       -- Kenneth R. Farmer <><a OpenVMS.orgy   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:31:43 +0100i& From: Nic Clews <spamthis@[127.0.0.1]>2 Subject: Re: VAX Users See the Writing on the Wall' Message-ID: <cd06le$flc$1@lore.csc.com>y   Stanley F. Quayle wrote:* > On 12 Jul 2004 at 8:59, Nic Clews wrote: > = >>For the last point, an "it depends". Certain real time type B >>bet-your-ass applications can't afford to be hostage to a fluffy$ >>teabag with no concept of reality. >  > 9 > Windows is not the only platform choice for CHARON-VAX.o  # However this is never emphasised...e    H >>And if anyone is in the real-time business, you'll know exactly what I >>mean.o >  > 
 > Absolutely.e >  > ? >>For "custom hardware", for VAXen you've led a sheltered life.s2 >>Breadboard and rough sawn edges must be unknown. >  > G > I hope that no part of the world's defense systems are deployed as a  ; > breadboard (except for the "bad guys", whoever they are).n  A No comment. Then again it depends who you think the bad guys are.c  G I guess the one thing you should be grateful for is Windows is nowhere n near it.  B Charon is available for Alpha, but it is not the first choice. In I general people immediately believe it must be a Windows platform, and it e sure appears cheaper.s  E And speaking of the bad guys, just how easy is it to take out a VAX?  C Break in or bomb some place, or send out one of those dang viruses?e  C >>how many millions of $$ do you think it takes to keep up with thepI >>latest vulnerabilities, keeping the o/s in a 'cleanroom', and over a 40tA >>year period perform multiple Windows migrations from version to.
 >>version? >  > H > Most vulnerabilities are due to Windows being connected to a network. G > Lots of military systems were deployed without network connectivity, nG > and so the Windows box can be equally secure.  Just keep people away   > from the keyboard.   Were.e  / Some yes are without networks, but less so now.l  I We've not really talked about the "Windows just does that" syndrome, not n even a question of being secureg    H > And if you're using VMS 4.5, there's no reason to hurry along to stay  > current with Windows...   G Ah but there is, this is the problem. Have you tried some of the older eD operating systems on later hardware? If you had hair, you certainly B won't finish the exercise with any. The pee cee world has no real E concept of longevity, ok maybe the Proliants of the world, maybe the aG powerpc, but they are still driven by market forces, when the smallest o= disk you can get is totally incompatible with the o/s [loose g= description] you're trying to use. USB mouse with everything..  + "Also available for Alpha running OpenVMS."    -- lE Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. Car Park Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesi nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:30:10 +0200 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>2 Subject: Re: VAX Users See the Writing on the WallB Message-ID: <40f3d5d6$0$11957$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>   Nic Clews wrote: > Stanley F. Quayle wrote: > + >> On 12 Jul 2004 at 8:59, Nic Clews wrote:C >>? >>> For the last point, an "it depends". Certain real time typeeD >>> bet-your-ass applications can't afford to be hostage to a fluffy& >>> teabag with no concept of reality. >> >> >>: >> Windows is not the only platform choice for CHARON-VAX. >  > % > However this is never emphasised...h >  > J >>> And if anyone is in the real-time business, you'll know exactly what I	 >>> mean.o >> >> >> >> Absolutely. >> >>A >>> For "custom hardware", for VAXen you've led a sheltered life.y4 >>> Breadboard and rough sawn edges must be unknown. >> >> >>H >> I hope that no part of the world's defense systems are deployed as a < >> breadboard (except for the "bad guys", whoever they are). >  > C > No comment. Then again it depends who you think the bad guys are.. > I > I guess the one thing you should be grateful for is Windows is nowhere e
 > near it. > D > Charon is available for Alpha, but it is not the first choice. In K > general people immediately believe it must be a Windows platform, and it o > sure appears cheaper.p > G > And speaking of the bad guys, just how easy is it to take out a VAX?  E > Break in or bomb some place, or send out one of those dang viruses?t > E >>> how many millions of $$ do you think it takes to keep up with thetK >>> latest vulnerabilities, keeping the o/s in a 'cleanroom', and over a 40yC >>> year period perform multiple Windows migrations from version toF >>> version? >> >> >>I >> Most vulnerabilities are due to Windows being connected to a network. sH >> Lots of military systems were deployed without network connectivity, H >> and so the Windows box can be equally secure.  Just keep people away  >> from the keyboard.t >  >  > Were.  > 1 > Some yes are without networks, but less so now.h > K > We've not really talked about the "Windows just does that" syndrome, not  ! > even a question of being securem >  > I >> And if you're using VMS 4.5, there's no reason to hurry along to stay o >> current with Windows... >  > I > Ah but there is, this is the problem. Have you tried some of the older eF > operating systems on later hardware? If you had hair, you certainly D > won't finish the exercise with any. The pee cee world has no real G > concept of longevity, ok maybe the Proliants of the world, maybe the sI > powerpc, but they are still driven by market forces, when the smallest n? > disk you can get is totally incompatible with the o/s [loose p? > description] you're trying to use. USB mouse with everything.n > - > "Also available for Alpha running OpenVMS."e >   H I hope you don't mind my chiming in at this point. But I have a thought  to add here...  H Many of the surviving installations of OpenVMS on VAX are still running B for "mission-critical" reasons, and have consequently higher than I average demands on the stability of their environments. Speed would be a e= lesser consideration than having predictable performance and  D reliability.  When you place your existing OS environment on top of F another OS, you have made your system dependant on the foibles of two A operating system installations instead of just one. When the two aG operating systems are also very different from one another, and likely oH have very different reactions to enviromnental influences, you have not F only complicated your system but also compounded the potential errors G which can occurr that influence the systems stability. What I'm saying rG is, irrespective of the quality of the operating systems involved, the wG placing of an OS on top of a similar or same OS will in principle be a yG more stable total system than placing the OS on top of a different one mG which has a different set of problems compounding the set of potential l problems in the entire system.  D In other words, for many demanding customers, CHARON VAX on OpenVMS B Alpha (and later on IPF) is an important option that shouldn't be G casually overlooked for the sake of placing their system on cheaper or m% faster (integer ops) pop OS/Hardware.o  E There are also situations/aspects inwhich older VAX applications are mG able to take advantage of the latest OpenVMS Alpha cluster and storage hE features which would be unavailable if left on the VAX or moved to a o Intel 32-bit PC base system.   Cheers!s     Keith Cayemberg!- IBM Business Services GmbH - Hanover, Germanyu   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:59:14 GMTM1 From: Randy Park <rjpark@mindspring.noospaam.com>t Subject: VT420 Available8 Message-ID: <ki18f0hveg1gtlh4turfus5mrhckit7ss0@4ax.com>  C I have a very lightly used surplus VT420.  Anyone have need for oneb in the Seattle area?   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.385 ************************