1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 14 Jul 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 386       Contents:5 Re: %SYSTEM-E-BADLOGIC on pmap_unset call VAX/VMS 6.2 " Re: cluster_config extreme badness" Re: cluster_config extreme badness" Re: cluster_config extreme badness Competitive Update:  POWER5 $ Re: Datatrieve Help Creating Domains$ Re: DECnet Phase IV Time Sync Needed Defend OVMS on OSNews.com " Re: Ex post facto ODS-5 conversion" Re: Ex post facto ODS-5 conversion" Re: Ex post facto ODS-5 conversion" Re: Ex post facto ODS-5 conversion
 Getting stuck - Re: Getting the RAB from BASIC channel number = Re: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article   Re: Mailing list as email/digest Need Help with SNMP 1 Re: odd things with SYS$GETUAI and uai$_user_data / Re: OpenVMS license transfer  policies and fees  OpenVMS makes Datamation Re: OpenVMS makes Datamation* OpenVMS Marketing: Variations on "stealth". Re: OpenVMS Marketing: Variations on "stealth"- Re: Oracle Classic migration (OpenVMS to WNT) - Re: Oracle Classic migration (OpenVMS to WNT) - Re: Oracle Classic migration (OpenVMS to WNT) - Re: Oracle Classic migration (OpenVMS to WNT) - Re: Oracle Classic migration (OpenVMS to WNT) - Re: Oracle Classic migration (OpenVMS to WNT) - Re: Oracle Classic migration (OpenVMS to WNT) - Re: Oracle Classic migration (OpenVMS to WNT) : Re: PF keyboard mappings for VMS telnet using RDP/Rdesktop Recent SKHPCs Posted Re: SWS-2.0 (Apache) & CGI ???- Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?  UCX and dangling sockets Re: UCX and dangling sockets) Re: VAX Users See the Writing on the Wall  [OT] LAMP - an observation Re: [OT] LAMP - an observation  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 01:32:19 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> > Subject: Re: %SYSTEM-E-BADLOGIC on pmap_unset call VAX/VMS 6.2< Message-ID: <D20Jc.8419$ac1.7078@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>   Patrice PATRON wrote:    > Hi, 8 > Some code which wak working fine some years ago, raiseH > %SYSTEM-E-BADLOGIC on pmap_unset call VAX/VMS 6.2 ... Any body has got > an idea ?  >  > Best Regards.  > 	 > Patrice   Q what changed?  did you add a patch that fixed something that was broke, only you  , never knew it?  Do you have the source code?  M set proc/dump and try to see if it produces a dump file that can be examined.    --   Michael Austin.  Consultant - Available. @ Donations welcomed. Http://www.firstdbasource.com/donations.html :)   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2004 13:10:34 -0500. From: frey@encompasserve.org (Lurker at Large)+ Subject: Re: cluster_config extreme badness 3 Message-ID: <cTKFwR6dZjNb@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <ccvna6$qha$1@pcls4.std.com>, moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes:G > VMS Engineering would be very interested in learning of such badness. H > Could you be more specific in exactly what you were doing?  I take it D > adding a root for a new node.  Exactly where did you ^Y it (which L > question)?  AFAIK this hadn't been seen before, now you say you have seen H > it twice.  Can you reproduce it again?  I suggest entering an IPMT so  > it gets taken care of. > --   > -Mike   / 	We were configuring a new cluster (two nodes). H 	I don't have a throwaway machine to test this on in order to duplicate N it and try to figure out at which point it happens.  The fact that it deletes N sys$sysroot: means that I'd have to reinstall VMS or restore it from a backup L each time I tried.  I'm assuming it will happen at various points along the @ process, and would like to tell you exactly which places, but...I 	I wasn't there when my coworker did it two days ago, but I know when it  6 happened to me, it was when the procedure displayed:    B "Assign port allocation class to which adaptor [RETURN] for none".  H 	I wasn't sure what it was talking about so wanted to back out and look  it up.( 	What's an IPMT and how do I submit one?   --      - Sharon, lurker at Large% http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jcwoman    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 05:39:50 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>+ Subject: Re: cluster_config extreme badness 0 Message-ID: <87r7rfr3h5.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  . "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl> writes:  E >> I still don't see any harm to letting the cluster root stay there; @ >> maybe output a message to the sysman that it's safe to deleteB >> [sys1...] and leave it up to him to decide whether or not to doB >> that.  It's just too dangerous to go around deleting *.*;* in aF >> comfile and assuming it picks up the logicals and symbols correctly> >> enough to be in the right place.  And it's NOT the expected >> response to a control-Y....  B There is at least one case. If you have an empty [SYSn] tree,  andA a node is booted from it as a satelite, it can all go pear shaped = big time. In short, the system is booted from the [syscommon] C files, and uses the parameter file in there with NO clustering. But A it will work for some time as the SCS code has been loaded by the & very early phases of the boot process.  G Sort of a variant of the rebooting CI controller, now we are a cluster,  no we are not...   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:58:59 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>+ Subject: Re: cluster_config extreme badness + Message-ID: <40F4A173.88418C1E@comcast.net>    Lurker at Large wrote: > N >         A few months ago a coworker and I ran into this the hard way when weM > were building a new cluster for a customer.  It had been a while since we'd Q > last built a cluster and one of the questions in cluster_config confused us, so K > we decided to back out of it and check something.  We hit control-Y.  And O > proceeded to see a bunch of file deletion messages scroll over the screen.  A E > few minutes later it became very apparent that most of the files in Q > sys$manager and sys$system had been deleted.  We were quite shocked.  Yesterday M > another coworker was building a new cluster for a different division of the G > same customer and did the same thing.  This is a serious problem with M > cluster_config.  Does anyone have a reasonable explanation for why the heck F > cluster_config is written this way?  WTF would anyone want to deleteQ > sys$sysroot just because you control-Y out of something???  (This is apparently K > on VMS 7.* and not on VMS 6.* based on my research on our test machines.)  > [snip]   Something that bit me once:   F I had a system disk where [SYS0.SYSCOMMON] was the common tree's startF point, and [VMS$COMMON] was the alias. Even my MOVEROOT kit would have clobbered that setup.   D Assuming you've restored the system disk from a /IMAGE backup, check? DUMP/HEADER/BLOCK=COUNT=0 (or F$FILE( filespec, "DID")) of both ' SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYS0]SYSCOMMON.DIR;1 and ? SYS$SYSDEVICE:[000000]VMS$COMMON.DIR;1 and check the FID of the 2 directory backlink. If it doesn't match the FID ofA SYS$SYSDEVICE:[000000]000000.DIR;1 (use DIRECTORY/FULL or F$FILE( = filespec, "FID" )), then you've got some cleanup to do before > CLUSTER_CONFIG will be as safe as OVMS Engr intended it to be.  A Suggestion to OVMS Engr.: Perhaps CLUSTER_CONFIG should check the E integrity of this situation before allowing the user to proceed. (ECO  time?)  E BTW: I have some DCL code that I used to clean that up during uptime, < but I cannot be responsible for the results on your machine.   D.J.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:26:11 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>$ Subject: Competitive Update:  POWER52 Message-ID: <uIWdncJcTNCqzmndRVn-ug@metrocast.net>  2 From the real world, not the Itanic fantasy realm.  F It's old news that Itanic has been left well behind in SPECint by bothJ P4/Xeon and Opteron, that POWER4+ requires only half as many processors toJ beat Itanic in high-end TPC-C, and that Opteron has forged ahead of ItanicJ in SPECweb99_SSL (POWER4+ is about tied with Itanic there, but as Rick hasG observed only with the aid of some encryption hardware that muddies the  comparison).  L More recently, SPARC64 has significantly bested Itanic in jbb2000 at the 8-,K 16-, and 32-processor system sizes, and more recently yet Itanic has fallen K to 3rd place at the 4-processor node, beaten marginally by its sibling Xeon ! and more convincingly by Opteron.   J But the big news today is POWER5.  A while ago Rob tended to pooh-pooh theJ suggestion that if IBM had bothered to submit a 4-processor POWER4+ systemK it would have knocked Itanic off the top of the 4-processor TPC-C heap, but K now POWER5 has eliminated any question whatsoever by beating Itanic at that F system size by close to 50%.  And the story gets even better at largerG system sizes:  the 16-processor POWER5 system achieves a TPC-C score of J 809,144, compared with the best 16-processor Itanic score of 309,037 (yes,F that's about 2.6 times the performance per processor:  clearly, ItanicJ system designers still have a lot to learn about scaling from the likes of< EV7 and POWER4/4+/5, and perhaps even from Sun and Fujitsu).  L While other benchmark results have not yet been published, IBM has presented4 the numbers it has submitted in a paper available atG http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/pseries/hardware/system_perf.pdf . E Though SPECint results aren't given, SPECint_rate scores of 74.4/76.3 H base/peak at the 4-processor node are comfortably ahead of the best thatD Itanic (or anyone else) can do even with the wondrous HP-UX compilerJ (63.4/64.2).  POWER5 has knocked off Itanic's SPECfp crown with results of7 2576/2702 base/peak (compared with Itanic's 2161/2161).   H Things get even better in the commercial area.  In jbb2000, POWER5 beatsI Itanic by nearly 50% at the 4-processor node, and the 16-processor POWER5 A system handily beats the 32-processor Itanic (again demonstrating J dramatically superior scaling, just as in TPC-C).  POWER5 dominates SAP SD@ 2-tier to nearly the same extent, and is comfortably though lessL dramatically ahead in OASB (with 2.33 times the performance using only 2x asI many processors, since IBM provided no 4-processor result that would have K allowed a direct comparison unaffected by scaling issues; of course, Itanic D didn't lead in OASB before today anyway:  Xeon had edged ahead of it	 already).   H These are just some of the benchmarks that I tend to follow myself:  the0 paper cited provides many others.  Another paperK (http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpapers/pdfs/redp9117.pdf - thanks to mas at D realworldtech for drawing my attention to both) describes the POWER5L architecture (including details of its improved memory hierarchy and on-chipI controller, which likely contribute substantially to its across-the-board ! industry-dominating performance).   K In closing, since it has been recently suggested that my viewpoint might be J less than objective, I'd like to point out that Itanic is losing ground atK about the same rate, and for precisely the same reason, that I envisioned 3 J full years ago:  it's stuck with the McKinley core until 2006-7, while theL rest of the competition's designs (except for those prematurely abandoned byL the timid and incompetent) continue to evolve.  Now it's time for Rob to pop$ up and say, "Just wait for Tukwila!"   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 05:46:44 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>- Subject: Re: Datatrieve Help Creating Domains 0 Message-ID: <87n023r35n.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  0 jonard@xlnsystems.com (Thomas A. Jonard) writes:  9 > JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow) wrote in message : > news:<4b6ec350.0407081619.3293d24@posting.google.com>...  A >> What is different between VAX and Alpha was (historically) VAX A >> stored objects in the Common Data Dictionary (CDD) where Alpha 9 >> stores the objects in individual files in directories.   @ > Actually what happened is that Digital sold the CDD product to; > Oracle and had to provide a facility for DTR to store its D > definitions.  Thus this "files in directories" technique was born.3 > But if you have the CDD DTR will interface to it.   @ Not quite. DTR used its own definition files since day one, bothH on 11s and with DTR32. When VIA got some stream up, DTR32 was `enhanced'F to use the data supository instead. After the oricle sell off, DTR was5 able to be configured in it proper hairynosed  glory.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:46:07 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>- Subject: Re: DECnet Phase IV Time Sync Needed + Message-ID: <40F49E6E.6D32F3FC@comcast.net>    Arthur Cochrane wrote: > d > In article <CtiCr4naWW$G@eisner.encompasserve.org>, FACochrane@Yahoo.com (Arthur Cochrane) writes:K > >     We have two VMS systems that are going to be moved to a DECnet omly L > >     link between the data center and a remote location. Why? Because theJ > >     Blaster virus last year caused so much traffic on the network thatM > >     important operations were affected between these two sites. Right now K > >     these systems sync their time via NTP. Once these move that ability = > >     goes away. These systems are running DECnet Phase IV.  > > O > >     My question is there a time sync over DECnet network we can use to keep N > >     these systems in sync with each other? If not we will have to use wallJ > >     clock time sync (to a set time via the wall clock every so often). > I >     Thanks for all the suggestions. More information. These two systems I >     will be in one location on a hub and connected via a router that is K >     setup to ONLY route DECnet to another location with DECnet and IP. So E >     these two systems will only be able to use DECnet to the remote K >     location. DECnet Plus is NOT an option. I am just looking for an easy K >     way to keep the time somewhat in sync. The SYSMAN CONFIG SET TIME may J >     be the way to start looking or I might look at some DCL task to taskM >     routine. I just thought someone might have had a solution from the past D >     when DECnet was king and before IP and NTP took over the work. >  >     Arthur Cochrane   E Actually, I think your SYSMAN suggestion should work fine, if they're  clustered.    E All you'd need then is a dial-up interface to NIST to set the time on 8 one node, then invoke either SYSMAN as you suggested or     $ SET TIME="''F$TIME()'"/CLUSTER   ...to sync up everyone else.   Just another idea...   D.J.D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:39:59 GMT 6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com>" Subject: Defend OVMS on OSNews.com? Message-ID: <321Jc.152723$2o2.8224817@twister.southeast.rr.com>   I I submitted Colin's "Hack-proof and crash resistant - have you discovered 8 the OS world's best-kept secret?" article on OSNews.com.  . http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=7672  8 An IBM customer/employee made a statement about zSeries.  I In addition, I submitted the "OpenVMS: An Old Dog Still Doing New Tricks" . article.  It will probably be posted tomorrow.  I Last I heard, about a year ago, OSNews.com got around 30K visitors daily.   J We need OVMS people in the comments section to "gently and kindly" educate the masses.  :)    Ken    -- Kenneth R. Farmer <><  OpenVMS.org    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:11:00 -0400 * From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>+ Subject: Re: Ex post facto ODS-5 conversion 6 Message-ID: <3tWIc.879$uU4.841@bignews3.bellsouth.net>   Tom Linden wrote:   9 > If you have a spare drive, why would you need the tape?   J For the simple reason that I don't know what the storage hardware is that K the OP is using.  If it involves physically manipulating the original disk  M in any manner at all, then before the disk gets unplugged or moved, I'd want  " a full image backup on tape first.     --   Chuck Chopp   8 ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com  @ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax Greer, SC  29651  , Do not send me unsolicited commercial email.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2004 15:37:46 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) + Subject: Re: Ex post facto ODS-5 conversion 3 Message-ID: <SN22q+W2Wt9R@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <40F40FF4.6030609@rtfmcsi.com>, Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com> writes: N > Get an extra disk and init it as ODS-5 and then transfer the contents using N > BACKUP.  Or, BACKUP/VERIFY to tape, re-init the volume as ODS-5 and restore F > from tape if you don't have spare disk.  Disk drives are relatively K > inexpensive, though, so I don't view the cost of an extra drive as being  M > high compared to what would happen if the data were lost doing an in-place  
 > conversion.  > L > Of course, all this is assuming that there isn't a clean ODS-2 ---> ODS-5  > in-place conversion.  B    There is.  You just use the set volume command to turn on ODS-5F    capabilities.  Nothing happens to all the ODS-2 user files already B    on the disk, which is fine since ODS-2 is basically a subset of	    ODS-5.    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2004 15:26:33 -0700& From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan)+ Subject: Re: Ex post facto ODS-5 conversion = Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0407131426.67bc6693@posting.google.com>   D Thanks to all who responded.  I am aware of the ability to convert aA disk volume online (though I believe it still needs to be mounted ? locally to do it).  The issue is the likelihood of running into D problems with existing code, having user directories (and mail, usedF as a POPstore, and temp files, and SYS$SCRATCH, and etc.) all suddenlyE running on an ODS-5 disk.  Also if we're best off leaving parse style < traditional versus extended; the users are all in restricted? menu-driven accounts, so they never see DCL.  My impression was E traditional parsing would be better in this environment (for the user E logins) but again, if there are any gotchas that can result (popmail? 0 temp files?) it'd be nice to know ahead of time.   Charlie,F      the system disk has more than enough room to hold an image backup< saveset of the data disk; an image backup before starting is" mandatory, but also fast and easy.   Rich CCS    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:23:54 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> + Subject: Re: Ex post facto ODS-5 conversion < Message-ID: <u2%Ic.15093$Kk.6132@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com>   Rich Jordan wrote:F > Thanks to all who responded.  I am aware of the ability to convert aC > disk volume online (though I believe it still needs to be mounted A > locally to do it).  The issue is the likelihood of running into F > problems with existing code, having user directories (and mail, usedH > as a POPstore, and temp files, and SYS$SCRATCH, and etc.) all suddenlyG > running on an ODS-5 disk.  Also if we're best off leaving parse style > > traditional versus extended; the users are all in restrictedA > menu-driven accounts, so they never see DCL.  My impression was G > traditional parsing would be better in this environment (for the user G > logins) but again, if there are any gotchas that can result (popmail? 2 > temp files?) it'd be nice to know ahead of time. > 
 > Charlie,H >      the system disk has more than enough room to hold an image backup> > saveset of the data disk; an image backup before starting is$ > mandatory, but also fast and easy. >  > Rich > CCS   N Rich,  you should see no difference using style=extended (added to sylogin or L user login)  - if you add a filename that has multi-dots (like java/Tomcat) Q etc.. then they will have problems locating it in traditional mode.  If there is  Q a **potential** for multi-dot/unix-type filenames, you are asking for trouble by  K not setting it.. My expience has been that setting it to extended will not   affect current operations.   Example:  ! $SET PROCESS/PARSE_STYLE=EXTENDED  $ create x.x.x.x.x this is a test   Exit	 $ dir x.*    Directory <dir:[dir]>   $ x.x;2                          x.x;1 x^.x^.x^.x.x;1   Total of 3 files.  $ type x.x.x.x.x this is a test $ set proc/parse_styl=trad $ type x.x.x.x.xM %DCL-W-PARMDEL, invalid parameter delimiter - check use of special characters    \.X\ $   I one of these days the extra "dots' won't be "escaped" using the carat "^"    --   Michael Austin.  Consultant - Available. @ Donations welcomed. Http://www.firstdbasource.com/donations.html :)   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:11:46 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) Subject: Getting stuck. Message-ID: <cd1c5i$cej$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes in article <BkiYvG9R0K9B@eisner.encompasserve.org> dated 13 Jul 2004 12:16:13 -0500: g >In article <cc5619f2.0407130733.70356edd@posting.google.com>, jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) writes: H >> I'm hoping someone out there has had to do this recently and has someI >> insight.  I'm thinking of converting the data disk to ODS-5 and adding A >> a command to the user and maintenance logins to set parsing to F >> traditional style.  That should minimize impact to existing apps, I	 >> think.   J Conversion is easy.  The only gotchas come if you have a program comparingH filenames or pieces of filenames in case-sensitive ways.  As others have! said, keep a backup just in case.   H >   I've had no problems since switching all my user data disks to ODS-5H >   and updating my VAXen to 7.3.  Prior to 7.3 VAXen couldn't deal withF >   ODS-5 disks at all, since then they can mount the disk and see theG >   files in some fashion.  I'm stuck on 7.2-1 so I can't do the system 
 >   disk yet.   J I've been reading the getting stuck stories here on comp.os.vms for years,F but I never thought it would happen to me.  I just got stuck (probablyF forever) at 7.3-1.  7.3-2 requires DECwindows 1.3, and my app requires DECwindows 1.2-5 or earlier.  H For one reason or other, almost all of the products we've been upgradingL have been shut down.  This year the only ones still on "the list" are TCPIP,5 Java, and Mozilla (not actually used with the app).     0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:36:08 -0400 - From: "heuveltjes" <heuveltjes@email.msn.com> 6 Subject: Re: Getting the RAB from BASIC channel number, Message-ID: <40f490a2$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  > "Milan Jercic" <milan.jercicNOS@PAMaccess.si> wrote in message% news:40F46A5C.9070604@PAMaccess.si...  : I > > Open-connect is relatively sophisticated. Do they really know/need to  use F > > multiple rms stream contexts, or is it just a 'handy thing to do'. : L > Lots of index files are used for holding master/detail[/detail...] records inL > the same file (distinguished by primary key value). So, in the main loops,K > master records are browsed/processed and detail processing goes to nested  loops. :   J Right. Fairly typical. Like you say, almost transparant mixing headers and details.G Still, it is not rocket sience to use a single connect either, and just  about as efficient.    get by key master-record while (masters)    master-rfa = getrfa    get by key detail-record   while (details)      process      get seq detail     next !Detail   get  rfa=master-rfa    get  seq master-record ! Next    next !Master   Hein.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:23:01 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>F Subject: Re: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article6 Message-ID: <1040713135540.16558E-100000@Ives.egh.com>  + On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Andrew Harrison wrote:    > John Santos wrote: > . > > On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, Andrew Harrison wrote: > >  > >  > >>John Santos wrote: > >> > >>/ > >>>On Thu, 8 Jul 2004, Andrew Harrison wrote:  > >>? > >>>All emulation performance data ever provided by anyone for A > >>>anything in the history of the universe has this limitation.  > >>>  > >>; > >>Sorry but that is entirely wrong. If for example HP had > > >>run the HP-PA SPECint executables on Itanium then we would; > >>be able to see how a workload which is 99.9% user runs.  > >  > > G > > You take my quote out of context and then say it is entirely wrong.  > > B > > You snipped the statement I was responding to, and didn't even@ > > have the courtesy to indicate that you had snipped anything. > > < > > My statement was and is perfectly true in the context in > > which I made it. > >  >  > Sorry but it wasn't true.  > 8 > I said that the benchmark data supplied by HP required6 > the consumer of this data to understand the ratio of5 > kernel/user that bind uses and then map it to their 3 > application in order for HP's data to be usefull.  > 5 > You reply that this is the status quo is incorrect.   7 Maybe I should be more explicit.  In order to use *any* 5 benchmark data for emulation performance, you need to 5 know the kernel/user ratio for that benchmark and you : also need to know the characteristics of your application.  4 It is not enough to have numbers for some benchmark,6 any benchmark, whether a standard one, like one of the8 SPEC ones, or a custom one.  You also need to understand3 the characteristics of the benchmark and *ALSO* the $ characteristics of your application.   Do you still disagree?   > 9 > Had HP chosen to publish the results of running SPECint 8 > or SPECfp then customers would at least have access to9 > data based on a test that doesn't have an arbitrary and 8 > unpublished mix of kernel and user. SPECint/SPECfp are3 > designed specifically to avoid using OS services.   6 This just gives you some of the information I asserted: is needed for any benchmark, namely the kernel/user ratio, which in this case is ~0%.   > 5 > This would have told customers exactly how fast the 5 > emulation is for CPU bound applications and thats a 4 > much easier starting point for them in the journey4 > they will need to undertake to get to a reasonable6 > approximation to how fast their application will run > emulated on Itanium.  : And here we have (for this hypothetical example) the other; essential information, namely how CPU-bound the application < is.  (In my experience, most applications are not CPU-bound,< but I/O bound.  However, your mileage will definitely vary.)  5 So if you agree with me, why did you say my statement  was entirely wrong?    > < > > Having written both software and hardware emulators, and= > > having benchmarked them hundreds of times, I think I know 7 > > a hell of a lot more about the subject than you do.  > >  > 8 > In the context no comment is probably the nicest thing > I can say. > > ? > >>>>Regretably all the emulation performance data I have seen A > >>>>provided by HP falls into the bind category, workloads that A > >>>>are predominantly kernel based where the kernel is a native  > >>>>IA64 port. > >>>  > >>> H > >>>Here is where you make an unsupported claim.  Is BIND kernel-bound?A > >>>You have posted no data to support this, you just assume it.  > >>>  > >>D > >>Yes I have, just not in the particular posting you responded to. > >>< > >>One of the Bind examples (running on HP-UX) includes top8 > >>output with shows a roughly 60/40 kernel/user split. > >  > > A > > The 60/40 split is useful information.  However, it wasn't in A > > the post I responded to, or in any post I've seen.  Since you E > > were assuming it, you should have cited it in the post I did see.  > >  > B > Why I am not a fan for repeating everything that has gone before > my posting in a thread.  >   @ Is this a question or an explanation?  Are you asking "Why?" and? then stating that you don't like repeating things?  Or, are you C saying that the quote above (or below?) is the reason why you don't ? like repeating yourself?  If the latter, I don't understand.  I : think the next paragraph explains quite well why repeating= yourself, or not snipping excessively, is a good idea.  (With ; correct punctuation, the preceding sentence would have been 
 unambiguous.)   H > > This is Usenet.  Posts get lost.  Posts get propagated out-of-order.C > > People don't read it every day.  Don't assume everyone has seen B > > or has even had the opportunity to see every post.  If you areD > > basing a claim on something said in another thread or subthread,< > > or even on something long-since snipped, then you should > > recapitulate.  > > A > > Please learn some basics of newsgroup etiquette.  You've been D > > posting long enough that no one should cut you any newbie slack. > >  > = > Again you appear to be in the wrong here as well, newsgroup < > etiquette in fact suggests that it bad practice to re-post= > everything that has gone before your posting in the thread.   9 It is bad practice to re-post (or not snip) stuff that is ? irrelevant to the point you are making.  It is not bad practice ' to quote or re-iterate relevant points.   @ In particular, the post citing the 60/40 bind kernel/user ratio,< which you obviously assumed I had read, did not appear on my= news server until 2 days after the post I responded to, which  proves my point.  / This delay is unusual, but by no means extreme.    > 	 > Regards  > Andrew Harrison    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:31:36 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> ) Subject: Re: Mailing list as email/digest < Message-ID: <YwYIc.8372$HF7.2281@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>   Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:  K > Snicker, snicker... Hey, I'm only on my first cup of coffee this morning  % > and my brain still hasn't booted...     + :) :) :) why not... is it running Windows??    >  > Barry  >      --   Michael Austin.  Consultant - Available. @ Donations welcomed. Http://www.firstdbasource.com/donations.html :)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:05:57 -0500 . From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> Subject: Need Help with SNMP9 Message-ID: <40f44eb5$0$430$7f8943f3@newsreader.visi.com>   7 I'm looking into using SNMP to monitor my VMS machines.    VMS v7.3-1 & later TCPIP 5.3 & later   C I've managed to start and config the master agent, and the monitor  F system (OpenNMS) can see information from my machine. So far, so good.  B Now.. One of my goals is to monitor given process to 1. See if it . exists, and 2. What resources it is consuming.  & I want to write a subagent to do this.  . But.. I have no experience writing sub-agents.  H I've been doing a lot of reading of the manuals, and I'm hoping to find F some simple examples on creating a simple sub-agent. Just some simple ? task that I can use to see how everything is done. From how to  A write/build a sub-agent, to seeing what data it collects (via an  K snmpwalk), to seeing that data collected/monitored by an Management System.   F Anybody got some examples they can send me? Or pointers to some? I've H been looking on the freeware CDs, and in Sys$examples: (chess seems too = big for the beginner.) But I haven't run across anything yet.   % No, this isn't a homework assignment.    Thanks in advance,   Lyndon         --  F My opinions are mine and mine alone. They should never be misconstrued as a policy of my employer.   H "The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is that you( don't have to look at the horse's butt."     Lyndon F. Bartels    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2004 18:28:20 -05004 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt): Subject: Re: odd things with SYS$GETUAI and uai$_user_data3 Message-ID: <KIft1$jxJc0b@eisner.encompasserve.org>S  V In article <IXDIc.5711$_u.867@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:^ > In article <04071214573260@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) writes:P > :...maintaining employee information in the SYSUAF file (uai$_user_data area). > ..Q > :The application I wrote up works for almost every account (1500 or so) howeveriO > :does not work on a handful (12 or less).  The application READS (getuai) thenB > :uai$_user_data then changes the value and then WRITES (setuai). > :uP > :I was racking my brains out on this and decided to delete the problem accountE > :and re-add it.  Subsequently, the update to uai$_user_data worked.  > :  > :Has anyone experienced this?s >  > K >   FWIW, I don't generally recommend using the UAF for the storage of user:J >   data, the existence of the itemcode aside.   This for various reasons,H >   not the least of which is a complete lack of coordination across any& >   potential users of UAI$_USER_DATA. > I >   Check that there is not already somebody else using the SYSUAF record I >   in other words, or something else odd about the particular UAF recordp >   itself.  > J >   It is much safer -- and just as supported -- to use a private file forJ >   this and other data.  I use tools which regularly synchronize with theH >   current records stored in the SYSUAF, keeping the side database fileB >   current with the status of the records in the main SYSUAF ile.  ? I second that emotion.  When I was working as a third-party VMSL? product developer I inherited a product that did UAF stuff.  It-> would use the user data area for some of its "special" stuff. ? All was well until a customer had their own homegrown user datai= munger that creamed the special stuff.  I updated the product_> after that to use its own rms index file to handle the special0 stuff.  Less tears and tearing of hair that way.   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Jul 2004 19:06:35 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.comu8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS license transfer  policies and fees+ Message-ID: <cd1brr0b2q@enews4.newsguy.com>c  3 David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote:wD > Are you (or is anyone else reading this thread) aware of a companyG > prodiving a turn-key OpenVMS solution for e-mail, web services and/ornH > both? The time for such seems to be ripening, and if Itanic can repairJ > its hull, pump out and put itself to rights, OVMS-I64 may be a practicalG > alternative to the trendier UN*X options (which will, undoubtedly, beoI > available on the soon-to-be ubiquitous x86-64, unlike a certain o.s. we-' > all know of - VMS snoozes, it loses).g  I I'm not aware of any, however, it seems like a prime market to attempt tomL capture once the Itanium port is completed.  Of course as everyone is aware,K the real problem is getting the solution down to an affordable level.  If I G was trying to compete in that market, I'd most likely go with OpenBSD. uJ While OpenBSD lacks several features that would make OpenVMS on Itanium anB excellent choice, it wins out on cos (and since it's Unix customer
 familiarity).P   		Zane   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:21:11 GMTu6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com>! Subject: OpenVMS makes Datamation ? Message-ID: <H7_Ic.152173$2o2.8182495@twister.southeast.rr.com>h  * OpenVMS: An Old Dog Still Doing New Tricks9  http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/erp/article.php/3380341   L Let's keep this momentum going.  If you see a story about a solution/productJ and OpenVMS can do it better, email the author of the article or editor ofL the magazine.  Gently, kindly and to-the-point, let them know the virtues ofG VMS.  They're hungry for the info.  They want to write about champions.a   :)     Ken    -- Kenneth R. Farmer <><w OpenVMS.orgl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:21:39 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>,% Subject: Re: OpenVMS makes Datamationc, Message-ID: <f4OdnfzTyZiLEWnd4p2dnA@igs.net>   Kenneth Farmer wrote: , > OpenVMS: An Old Dog Still Doing New Tricks; >  http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/erp/article.php/3380341n > = > Let's keep this momentum going.  If you see a story about amD > solution/product and OpenVMS can do it better, email the author of< > the article or editor of the magazine.  Gently, kindly andE > to-the-point, let them know the virtues of VMS.  They're hungry for 0 > the info.  They want to write about champions.    4 The following was in my daily Datamation news blast:      + Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:40:52 -0700 (PDT)a  : Datamation IT Management Update for Tuesday, July 13, 2004   Inside Datamation this week:  - 1. OpenVMS: An Old Dog Still Doing New Tricksa6 2. Resistance is Futile. Your e-Mail Is Being Watched. 3. 802.11n: The Battle Beginsc 4. SAP Strikes Back     - 1. OpenVMS: An Old Dog Still Doing New Tricks K Though some have thought that OpenVMS is yesterday's operating system, it's  actuallyG powering a lot of businesses, showing off its security and reliability.yD http://nl.internet.com/ct.html?rtr=on&s=1,108r,1,cy9i,ddbj,c1kq,5wwn< ------------------------------------------------------------6 2. Resistance is Futile. Your e-Mail Is Being Watched.H According to a new survey anyway. At least you know you're not paranoid.D http://nl.internet.com/ct.html?rtr=on&s=1,108r,1,1dmv,6mbm,c1kq,5wwn< ------------------------------------------------------------ 3. 802.11n: The Battle BeginstJ MIMO is the centerpiece of a (very) preliminary skirmish for the mindshare in the IEEE K that will eventually decide on the standard for high throughput on wirelessa LANs.sD http://nl.internet.com/ct.html?rtr=on&s=1,108r,1,3vgt,3qtu,c1kq,5wwn< ------------------------------------------------------------ 4. SAP Strikes BackaK Scarcely four months after IBM took a swing at SAP by buying Trigo, SAP has 
 swung back byuJ acquiring Trigo competitor A2i. Enterprise Advisor Josh Greenbaum analyzes the shifting
 battle lines.iD http://nl.internet.com/ct.html?rtr=on&s=1,108r,1,76b8,jcac,c1kq,5wwn< ------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:07:46 -0500m2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>3 Subject: OpenVMS Marketing: Variations on "stealth" + Message-ID: <40F4A382.C867FDF0@comcast.net>b  H With OpenVMS getting exposure in the trade rags (or at least the on-lineE versions there of), perhaps the marketing folks at hp know more about D stretching their advertising dollars than we give them credit for...   Just a thought...h   D.J.D.! (Donning flame-resistant garb...)y   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:18:53 -0400l* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>7 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Marketing: Variations on "stealth"n2 Message-ID: <m7adnXjSichyLmnd4p2dnA@metrocast.net>  ? "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:40F4A382.C867FDF0@comcast.net...lJ > With OpenVMS getting exposure in the trade rags (or at least the on-lineG > versions there of), perhaps the marketing folks at hp know more aboutcF > stretching their advertising dollars than we give them credit for... >: > Just a thought...R >a > D.J.D.# > (Donning flame-resistant garb...)f  H Well, except for Keith (and while most of his contributions here make itF appropriate to joke about his function at HP, my impression is that itK really is supposed to be in development), all the interviewees seemed to be H users.  So while someone seems to be putting the press on the scent, theJ conspicuous absence of any HP honchos in the mix might suggest that it wasA not someone within HP (or at least not someone in their marketingi! organization, such as it may be).o   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:05:03 -0600u" From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>6 Subject: Re: Oracle Classic migration (OpenVMS to WNT)0 Message-ID: <P_ednfT1xt5svmndRVn-uQ@bresnan.com>   Fabio Cardoso wrote: > Dear Sirs (DBAs) > 9 > We have an old AXP server with a legacy Oracle Databasea< > with financial information and we need to migrate it from , > the OpenVMS server to a Windows NT server.    To NT??  You are kidding right??    < > We will perform a full export and import. Do you know any ; > specific consideration about migrating from Oracle under  / > OpenVMS to Oacle under WNT: ACLs, users etc ?d >  > Or just do it ?  > D > $ exp73 userid=system/manager file=exp.dmp full=y log=exp_test.log > L > C:\imp80 userid=system/manager file=exp.dmp full=y show=y log=imp_test.log >  > 	 > Regards3 >  > FC   -- -! ---------------------------------y My other computer is a VAX.c   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2004 15:39:41 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)b6 Subject: Re: Oracle Classic migration (OpenVMS to WNT)3 Message-ID: <wkSDAR9VI455@eisner.encompasserve.org>P  n In article <f30679fb.0407130941.4d27a144@posting.google.com>, fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) writes: > Dear Sirs (DBAs) > 9 > We have an old AXP server with a legacy Oracle Database < > with financial information and we need to migrate it from - > the OpenVMS server to a Windows NT server. 7< > We will perform a full export and import. Do you know any ; > specific consideration about migrating from Oracle under a/ > OpenVMS to Oacle under WNT: ACLs, users etc ?/  C    Yes.  I would never trust my financial information to Microsoft.u   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:12:46 GMTb1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>m6 Subject: Re: Oracle Classic migration (OpenVMS to WNT): Message-ID: <ifYIc.2074$yH3.32@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>   Fabio Cardoso wrote:   > Dear Sirs (DBAs) > 9 > We have an old AXP server with a legacy Oracle Databasea< > with financial information and we need to migrate it from - > the OpenVMS server to a Windows NT server. e< > We will perform a full export and import. Do you know any ; > specific consideration about migrating from Oracle under b/ > OpenVMS to Oacle under WNT: ACLs, users etc ?- >  > Or just do it ?  > D > $ exp73 userid=system/manager file=exp.dmp full=y log=exp_test.log > L > C:\imp80 userid=system/manager file=exp.dmp full=y show=y log=imp_test.log >  > 	 > Regards  >  > FC  O as long as you create the tablespace before doing the import as it will not be  ) able to translate/create the tablespaces.y  O Sorry to here you are going from stable to very unpredictable - not to mention i3 it can't generally handle the same workload as VMS.s   -- i Michael Austin.n Consultant - Available.:@ Donations welcomed. Http://www.firstdbasource.com/donations.html :)   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2004 15:01:48 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)6 Subject: Re: Oracle Classic migration (OpenVMS to WNT)= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0407131401.7840bd9c@posting.google.com>   Z GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message news:<P_ednfT1xt5svmndRVn-uQ@bresnan.com>... > Fabio Cardoso wrote: > > Dear Sirs (DBAs) > > ; > > We have an old AXP server with a legacy Oracle Databasei> > > with financial information and we need to migrate it from . > > the OpenVMS server to a Windows NT server. > " > To NT??  You are kidding right?? >   D No ! I am not ! This database is just for queries ! If they need ...   Fabioo  > > > We will perform a full export and import. Do you know any = > > specific consideration about migrating from Oracle under n1 > > OpenVMS to Oacle under WNT: ACLs, users etc ?o > >  > > Or just do it ?  > > F > > $ exp73 userid=system/manager file=exp.dmp full=y log=exp_test.log > > N > > C:\imp80 userid=system/manager file=exp.dmp full=y show=y log=imp_test.log > >  > >  > > Regards: > >  > > FC   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2004 15:02:08 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)6 Subject: Re: Oracle Classic migration (OpenVMS to WNT)= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0407131402.72ed1f58@posting.google.com>c  Z GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message news:<P_ednfT1xt5svmndRVn-uQ@bresnan.com>... > Fabio Cardoso wrote: > > Dear Sirs (DBAs) > > ; > > We have an old AXP server with a legacy Oracle Database > > > with financial information and we need to migrate it from . > > the OpenVMS server to a Windows NT server. > " > To NT??  You are kidding right?? >   D No ! I am not ! This database is just for queries ! If they need ...   Fabior  > > > We will perform a full export and import. Do you know any = > > specific consideration about migrating from Oracle under  1 > > OpenVMS to Oacle under WNT: ACLs, users etc ?y > >  > > Or just do it ?  > > F > > $ exp73 userid=system/manager file=exp.dmp full=y log=exp_test.log > > N > > C:\imp80 userid=system/manager file=exp.dmp full=y show=y log=imp_test.log > >  > >  > > RegardsK > >  > > FC   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2004 15:02:09 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)6 Subject: Re: Oracle Classic migration (OpenVMS to WNT)= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0407131402.10761074@posting.google.com>-  Z GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message news:<P_ednfT1xt5svmndRVn-uQ@bresnan.com>... > Fabio Cardoso wrote: > > Dear Sirs (DBAs) > > ; > > We have an old AXP server with a legacy Oracle Databaset> > > with financial information and we need to migrate it from . > > the OpenVMS server to a Windows NT server. > " > To NT??  You are kidding right?? >   D No ! I am not ! This database is just for queries ! If they need ...   Fabioe  > > > We will perform a full export and import. Do you know any = > > specific consideration about migrating from Oracle under  1 > > OpenVMS to Oacle under WNT: ACLs, users etc ?t > >  > > Or just do it ?  > > F > > $ exp73 userid=system/manager file=exp.dmp full=y log=exp_test.log > > N > > C:\imp80 userid=system/manager file=exp.dmp full=y show=y log=imp_test.log > >  > >  > > Regardso > >  > > FC   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2004 15:02:26 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)6 Subject: Re: Oracle Classic migration (OpenVMS to WNT)= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0407131402.164ec782@posting.google.com>i  Z GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message news:<P_ednfT1xt5svmndRVn-uQ@bresnan.com>... > Fabio Cardoso wrote: > > Dear Sirs (DBAs) > > ; > > We have an old AXP server with a legacy Oracle Databaseo> > > with financial information and we need to migrate it from . > > the OpenVMS server to a Windows NT server. > " > To NT??  You are kidding right?? >   D No ! I am not ! This database is just for queries ! If they need ...   Fabiom  > > > We will perform a full export and import. Do you know any = > > specific consideration about migrating from Oracle under C1 > > OpenVMS to Oacle under WNT: ACLs, users etc ?r > >  > > Or just do it ?  > > F > > $ exp73 userid=system/manager file=exp.dmp full=y log=exp_test.log > > N > > C:\imp80 userid=system/manager file=exp.dmp full=y show=y log=imp_test.log > >  > >  > > Regardsi > >  > > FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:21:48 -0400r# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 6 Subject: Re: Oracle Classic migration (OpenVMS to WNT), Message-ID: <Xqidnaa8EqNeBWndRVn-uA@igs.net>   Michael Austin wrote:b > Fabio Cardoso wrote: >V >> Dear Sirs (DBAs)s >>: >> We have an old AXP server with a legacy Oracle Database< >> with financial information and we need to migrate it from- >> the OpenVMS server to a Windows NT server. < >> We will perform a full export and import. Do you know any; >> specific consideration about migrating from Oracle under 0 >> OpenVMS to Oacle under WNT: ACLs, users etc ? >> >> Or just do it ? >>E >> $ exp73 userid=system/manager file=exp.dmp full=y log=exp_test.logd >>< >> C:\imp80 userid=system/manager file=exp.dmp full=y show=y >> log=imp_test.logn >> >>
 >> Regards >> >> FCy >dD > as long as you create the tablespace before doing the import as it7 > will not be able to translate/create the tablespaces.e >uE > Sorry to here you are going from stable to very unpredictable - noto@ > to mention it can't generally handle the same workload as VMS.    J Since when has that logic *EVER* mattered to any corporation once they had% their mind made up despite the facts?e  : The power of advertising and marketing at work once again.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:36:11 GMTi. From: Roger Haxby <roger.haaxxby@ntlworld.com>C Subject: Re: PF keyboard mappings for VMS telnet using RDP/Rdesktopb4 Message-ID: <Ll_Ic.212$3E6.124@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>   Michael Clark wrote:  H > This was originally posted to the Thinstation mailing list and then toD > the Rdesktop list.  They dont seem to be very interested in PF key@ > support, I think perhaps I am the only one trying to use this. > D > Thinstation is a small linux distrobution that usings Rdesktop for+ > terminal services connections to windows.B. > -------------------------------------------- >  > B > With Thinstation 2.1, if I launch a telnet session to an OpenVMS > server? > 7.2-1 all the keyboard mappings are correct with DEC PF1-PF4.t > Everything works great.n > G > When I try the same thing from inside Rdesktop, The PF1 (number lock)U > keyYD > does not work correctly (non DEC mapping).  The connection is madeF > using a program called Smart term, which works on windows computers,+ > and in Microsoft's remote desktop client.v > : > I believe this is where the mapping needs to be changed: > vimtJ > Thinstation-2.1/packages/keymaps-en_us/rdesktop/lib/kmaps/keymaps/common >  >  > #n
 > # Numpad > #-" > Num_Lock 0x45 <-- problem maybe? > KP_Divide 0xb5 > KP_Multiply 0x37 > KP_Subtract 0x4a
 > KP_Add 0x4ec > KP_Enter 0x9ch > F > I have found many places that talk about PF keys, and mappings.  And > beenD > told about 6-7 different Hex values for that this should/could be. > B > If anyone can point me in the correct direction I appreciate it. >  > Michael Clark: > Nemschoff Chairs Inc > mclark at nemschoff dot com1$ > CompTIA A+, Network+, Server+, MCP > Voice: (920) 457 7726 x294 > Fax:  (920) 453 6594  = I cannot tell from your post whether you are running rdesktop = from a VAX or not.  I have a port that works on VAX, which ise
 posted to 8 http://homepage.ntlworld.com/roger.haxby1/rdesktop.html.  = The common keymap file has been modified in that area for VAXS@ keyboards (working into windows), which may help you.  There is ? another keymap file changed for VAX too, which may be relevant.n    diffs listing is:  0 roger@coot:~/rdp_1_2/keymaps> diff common comvax   16c16  < BackSpace 0xe  ---d > Delete 0xe 22c22  < ISO_Left_Tab 0xf shift ---f > #ISO_Left_Tab 0xf shiftg 95c95  < Delete 0xd3 localstate ---r > apLineDel 0xd3 localstate) 98,99c98,99  < Page_Up 0xc9 localstateh < Page_Down 0xd1 localstateh ---r > Prior 0xc9 localstated > Next 0xd1 localstate 112,114c112,117k < KP_Divide 0xb5 < KP_Multiply 0x37 < KP_Subtract 0x4a ---a > #KP_Divide 0xb5C > KP_F2 0xb5 > #KP_Multiply 0x37- > KP_F3 0x37 > #KP_Subtract 0x4a  > KP_F4 0x4a   -- u R Haxbys, (to reply remove doubled letters in address)   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:23:24 GMT.6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com> Subject: Recent SKHPCs Postedb? Message-ID: <02%Ic.152607$2o2.8195526@twister.southeast.rr.com>l  * Recent ShannonKnowsHPC newsletters posted:   2004: A http://www.shannonknowshpc.com/stories.php?story=04/07/12/8927319h ---------------------($ - SKHPCV11N24 - The ENSA@WORK reviewI - SKHPCV11N33 - HP launches "HP Away" counterattack on Sun, HP embarks oni mainframe migrations   2003:v2 http://www.shannonknowshpc.com/pages.php?page=2003 ---------------------i5 - SKHPCV10N16A April 1, 2003 - April Fool's Day IssueyG - SKHPCV10N16B April 5, 2003 - HP Offers All the SMB News That's Fit ton Print - or ProjectF - SKHPCV10N17 April 10, 2004 - News of a NonStop Nature: Pauline's NED Certainly Not in PerilH - SKHPCV10N18 April 15, 2003 - HP Brings Enterprise-Class Storage to the MidrangeJ - SKHPCV10N19 April 22, 2003 - HP's OpenVMS is Alive and Well on Itanium2; and SKHPC Has the ProofaI - SKHPCV10N20 May 2, 2003 - HP Announces Global Realignment of Enterprisee BusinessI - SKHPCV10N21 May 2, 2003 - HP Announces Global Realignment of Enterprise  BusinessI - SKHPCV10N22 May 2, 2003 - After a Long, Strange Year, SKHPC Says "Happys Birthday" to the New HPaI - SKHPCV10N23 May 13, 2003 - Intel Discloses Erratum Du Jour - No WorriesyG - SKHPCV10N24 May 13, 2003 - HP Offers a Glimpse of the Future with Itst Utility Data Center Technology; - SKHPCV10N25 May 22, 2003 - Amsterdam Antics: SKHPC at theR* CUO/Interex/DECUS European Conference 2003I - SHPCV10N26 May 31, 2003 - HP and BEA Take a "Weblogical" Approach to IT 
 HeterogeneityxL - SHPCV10N27 June 1, 2003 - HP Brings Home Its Latest Report Card, Confounds
 Nay-SayersK - SKHPCV10N28 June 6, 2003 - HP Ramps Up Efforts To Design And Build Future  NonStop SystemseL - SKHPCV10N29 June 16, 2003 - SKHPC Spreads the OpenVMS Gospel in London and ViennaH - SKHPCV10N30 June 28, 2003 - SKHPC Travels to Ottawa, Canada for CANACU	 Symposiume           -- Kenneth R. Farmer <></ OpenVMS.orgl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:42:29 -04000) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>i' Subject: Re: SWS-2.0 (Apache) & CGI ???s: Message-ID: <Jr_Ic.20286$TB3.557524@news20.bellglobal.com>  4 "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote in message1 news:h3Yyc.533$7H1.31361@news20.bellglobal.com...J >2 > [...snip...] >  ===== Problem Update =====  	 Platform:d!    AlphaServer-4100 (and AS-1000)m&    OpenVMS-7.3-1 (with recent patches)&    TCPware-5.6-2 (with recent patches)&    SWS-2.0 (Apache 2.0.47 for OpenVMS)   Original Problem:nH    Dynamic content generated from /CGI-BIN/ produces in incomplete data.)   (but Perl and "ServerSide Java" are OK)n  $ Apache Error Log Messages (wrapped):  J [Sat Jul 10 16:07:51 2004] [error] [client 142.180.39.24] (00000870)end of? file: Error string not specified yet: ap_content_length_filter:iA apr_bucket_read() failed, referer: http://142.180.39.98/neil.html   J [Sat Jul 10 16:07:56 2004] [error] [client 142.180.39.24] (00000870)end of? file: Error string not specified yet: ap_content_length_filter:nA apr_bucket_read() failed, referer: http://142.180.39.98/neil.html    Temporary Fix:7    Replaced "TCPware" with "TCPIP Services for OpenVMS"   	 * * * * *   L I've logged support request with Process Software and will let you know what1 they discover once the problem has been resolved.   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,a Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:39:10 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>6 Subject: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?+ Message-ID: <40F49CCD.5CA7E6AA@comcast.net>-  F Is anyone aware of a company prodiving a turn-key OpenVMS solution forG e-mail, web services and/or both? I thought I followed a link on Google F Groups to one once, but I didn't print anything out from that site and don't a URL to go back to.  D The time for such seems to be ripening, and if Itanic can repair itsD hull, pump out and put itself to rights, OVMS-I64 may be a practicalE alternative to the trendier UN*X options (which will, undoubtedly, beeG available on the soon-to-be ubiquitous x86-64, unlike a certain o.s. weu% all know of - VMS snoozes, it loses).s   D.J.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:22:59 +0100l; From: Gerald Marsh <gerald-@-cyfer-remove_this.demon.co.uk>r! Subject: UCX and dangling socketso8 Message-ID: <7hf8f05kmq0cbu0j8fl0g99a5o9f34d8br@4ax.com>   Aarrgghhhh!o  A A few times we've seen situations where a TCP connection attemptsr0 fails with "address in use" - error 48, I think.  E It usually occurs when attempting to start a Roboeda listener on porteE 5050 (Again, I think). I'm quite sure that we've seen the same effect=D with other connecting software when they are not set up as services.  C The symptoms are that the listener process dies with the address issD use error but, if we leave the thing about two hours, the process isE created ok. I haven't got the accounting record to hand but it existsn( with a strange status of something like:+ %SYSTEM-?-DEVMNTFOR, device mounted foreignc  D A TCPIP SHO DEVICE does not show any socket attached to the affected port.0  C I know that the address referred to is a combination of IP address,u= protocol and port so I wonder if that is why I cannot see it.t  @ In desparation I tried the TCP extensions to SDA but that showed nothing either.a  E All the timers I think could be involved are measured in seconds; theh& longest I've seen is about 10 minutes.  F I suspect the timeout is under program control but why can't I see the
 BG device?  E I think that MQueue has also been similarly afflicted in the past buto0 thankfully that hasn't happened for a long time.  D If anyone has any ideas on how to decrease the timer or how to clearB the port, I would be very grateful. It is really annoying when you# cannot fix a problem for two hours!s  ? Thank you in eager anticipation and keep the VMS flag a'flying!t     Gerald.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:36:13 -0400 = From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@nfw-invalid.cibtrikker.com> % Subject: Re: UCX and dangling socketsd1 Message-ID: <Y-6dnWtZ5_SCAWndRVn-hQ@adelphia.com>b  H "Gerald Marsh" <gerald-@-cyfer-remove_this.demon.co.uk> wrote in message2 news:7hf8f05kmq0cbu0j8fl0g99a5o9f34d8br@4ax.com...
 > Aarrgghhhh!e > C > A few times we've seen situations where a TCP connection attemptsr2 > fails with "address in use" - error 48, I think. >eG > It usually occurs when attempting to start a Roboeda listener on portrG > 5050 (Again, I think). I'm quite sure that we've seen the same effectsF > with other connecting software when they are not set up as services. >CE > The symptoms are that the listener process dies with the address iscF > use error but, if we leave the thing about two hours, the process isG > created ok. I haven't got the accounting record to hand but it existso* > with a strange status of something like:- > %SYSTEM-?-DEVMNTFOR, device mounted foreigno > F > A TCPIP SHO DEVICE does not show any socket attached to the affected > port.P >nE > I know that the address referred to is a combination of IP address,h? > protocol and port so I wonder if that is why I cannot see it.o >nB > In desparation I tried the TCP extensions to SDA but that showed > nothing either.u >hG > All the timers I think could be involved are measured in seconds; thep( > longest I've seen is about 10 minutes. >gH > I suspect the timeout is under program control but why can't I see the > BG device? >rG > I think that MQueue has also been similarly afflicted in the past but 2 > thankfully that hasn't happened for a long time. >oF > If anyone has any ideas on how to decrease the timer or how to clearD > the port, I would be very grateful. It is really annoying when you% > cannot fix a problem for two hours!l >aA > Thank you in eager anticipation and keep the VMS flag a'flying!  >i >y	 > Gerald.   ! There are two potential problems:a  L (1) The port and protocol was already bound perhaps on a conflicting addressK       (for example, on localhost and you subsequently attempted inaddr_any)   L (2) The address is reserved for a certain amount of time (I thought this was two>L       minutes, but I don't recall if there is anything that affects it).  If you set the K       socket option REUSEADDR prior to the bind (and subsequent listen) youe%       should be able to supercede it.r  G A BG device is merely an instance of a channel to a socket, and is onlyI present-H when there is an OpenVMS channel with a socket on it (the UCB could alsoE exist without a socket on it if a socket hasn't been created yet, ther
 channel isJ being used to perform a select on it, or the channel is being used to talk to oneH of the network kernel subsystems, for example PROXY or NFS).  The socketL structure itself lingers after the channel is closed, but there is no direct wayn
 to see it.  L That doesn't mean that you can't see it.  Try dumping the mbufs and look for an mbuf of type sockaddr:h       SDA>  TCPIP SHOW MBAGg  " (do a TCPIP HELP SHOW MBAG in SDA)  D Each socket that exists (with or without a UCB) will have a sockaddr	 structure G stored in an mbuf attached to it.  As long as this structure it exists,o there isL something bound to that address.  Hopefully you won't have a bizillion mbufs in use.?   -Johnl7 (No longer associated with TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS)e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:51:24 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>2 Subject: Re: VAX Users See the Writing on the Wall/ Message-ID: <40F3E8DC.18776.18CCD669@localhost>p  ; > > Windows is not the only platform choice for CHARON-VAX.t% > However this is never emphasised...e  F Currently, CHARON-VAX for OpenVMS on Alpha is available.  It's slower D than Windows, because you can get faster Windows systems.  And that ! situation will worsen after 2006.     F The issues you raise are common in the military market, and Have Been E Heard.  But I can't comment on a platform that's not available yet.  t' Fill out an NDA, and you can know more.     H > I guess the one thing you should be grateful for is Windows is nowhere
 > near it.  B I wouldn't be on this newsgroup if I didn't love VMS.  CHARON-VAX B provides one way for users to stay on it.  In the business arena, 7 management gets Windows, the technical people keep VMS.I  G > Have you tried some of the older operating systems on later hardware?iD > If you had hair, you certainly won't finish the exercise with any.  @ Yes, it can be a pain.  Try to find a <1.037 GB SCSI disk for a D MicroVAX 3100 lately?  Supporting ancient things is always painful, : but the PC people are particularly sloppy in that respect.    A I'm the first to admit that CHARON-VAX isn't the answer to every nB situation -- it's merely an *option*.  I certainly didn't want to  start a flame war over it.  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363s3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USAo0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:42:48 GMTa1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> # Subject: [OT] LAMP - an observationr; Message-ID: <sHYIc.2078$uL3.888@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>   + So, if Linux/Apache/MySQL/PHP is a LAMP boxo   does that mean that:  $ Windows/IIS/MySQL/PHP is a WIMP box?   :) :) :)   -- : Michael Austin.m Consultant - Available.s@ Donations welcomed. Http://www.firstdbasource.com/donations.html :)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 05:28:07 +0200t2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)' Subject: Re: [OT] LAMP - an observationo; Message-ID: <40f4a847.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>n  2 Michael Austin (maustin@firstdbasource.com) wrote:- > So, if Linux/Apache/MySQL/PHP is a LAMP boxs >o > does that mean that: > & > Windows/IIS/MySQL/PHP is a WIMP box? >t
 > :) :) :)  	 ROTFLASTCo  ! Thanks, Michael. You made my day.w   cu,s   Martin -- '@   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.degF    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.386 ************************ent System.   F Anybody got some examples they can send me? Or pointers to some? I've H been looking on the freeware CDs, and in Sys$examples: (chess seems too = big for the beginner.) But I haven't run aYou tell only half the story, then try to retort with "the
rest of the story (with apologies to Paul Harvey) in a later post.  

     Funny!

>Perhaps I served under protest?  Yeh, that's it.  I got a concentious
>ojector status to jump school.

     "concentious ojector"...?!?!

>Only your imagination knows.

     My imagination HAS to try and fill in the half-filled blanks your rants
and foolhearty stories leave, Brain.  It get's quite a workout on occassion.

>So, your second pass at it fa