1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 14 Jul 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 387       Contents:+ Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!) + Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!) + Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!) + Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!)  Re: Blogging on VMS  Re: Blogging on VMS  Re: Blogging on VMS  Re: Blogging on VMS  Re: Blogging on VMS  Re: Defend OVMS on OSNews.com A Do you fantasize about rubbing your dick on Homer Simpson's body? " Re: Ex post facto ODS-5 conversion HSZ40 disks unavailable   Re: Mailing list as email/digest  Re: Mailing list as email/digest  Re: Mailing list as email/digest Re: OpenVMS makes Datamation6 Re: OpenVMS Management Station -  cluster storage ????. Re: OpenVMS Marketing: Variations on "stealth". Re: OpenVMS Marketing: Variations on "stealth". Re: OpenVMS Marketing: Variations on "stealth"- Re: Oracle Classic migration (OpenVMS to WNT) : Re: PF keyboard mappings for VMS telnet using RDP/Rdesktop1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? 1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? 1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? 1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? 1 RE: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? 1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? 1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? ) Re: VAX Users See the Writing on the Wall  Re: [OT] LAMP - an observation Re: [OT] LAMP - an observation Re: [OT] LAMP - an observation! [OT]: Who elects these boneheads?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 14 Jul 2004 09:56:02 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)4 Subject: Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!)= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0407140856.14f81c6d@posting.google.com>   e David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<40F494B8.E818746D@comcast.net>...  > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > > i > > David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<40F05466.F0C48F98@comcast.net>...  > > > [snip]m > > > > David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<40EF484B.6FFF29CF@comcast.net>... 3 > > > > > Potential for loss of life is irrelevant.  > > > / > > > What part of that did you not understand?  > > / > > You're the one who brought up loss of life.  >   k > > > David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<40EF484B.6FFF29CF@comcast.net>... 1 > > > > Potential for loss of life is irrelevant.  > 6 > What part of that are you *STILL* not understanding?  B I don't understand what the Ford Pinto example has to do with this video. AFAIKT, nothing!    [...]    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jul 2004 09:54:36 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)4 Subject: Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!)= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0407140854.5823e0ae@posting.google.com>   e David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<40F49321.72BA5A46@comcast.net>...  > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > > i > > David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<40F05032.38632A7B@comcast.net>...  > > > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > > > > [snip]% > > > > But I still say the good from % > > > > this video outweighs the bad.  > > > L > > > Yes, the good does outweigh the bad. However, the balance is still not= > > > sufficiently positive to elicit an endorsement from me.    !!!   E So you admit it! This video is a good thing. You said so right above. & "Yes, the good does outweigh the bad."   > > 3 > > So you prefer zero promotion to some promotion.  > E > Nope - as I've stated repeatedly, I prefer non-exclusive promotion.   7 Then why are you arguing as if you prefer zero to some?    > > WHY? > & > Re-read this thread. It's all there.  + Fat chance I'm going to reread this thread.    [...]    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jul 2004 10:24:02 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)4 Subject: Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!)= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0407140924.1ed1c11e@posting.google.com>   e David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<40F49ABE.635CCDFB@comcast.net>...  > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > > h > > David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<40F063C5.B38DE1D@comcast.net>...0 > > > Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote: > > > > [snip]U > > > > It seems to me obvious in this case that a marketing effort that can probably N > > > > reach the overwhelming majority of the target market is better than noQ > > > > marketing effort.  Does this mean I have no principles?  (I'm not casting 8 > > > > about for an insult here; I'm honestly baffled.) > > > N > > > You're baffled because its a non-sequitur: it doesn't follow. The pointsK > > > are not related, nor has anyone attempted to establish a relationship  > > > between them.  > >  > > Which points, David? > H > Re-read this thread. It's all there. Read s-l-o-w-l-y this time so you > don't miss anything.  , OK, the points I think you are referring to:  ; (1) This marketing (Accuweather video) is better than none.   (2) Alan Winston has principles. (3) Does (1) imply .not.(2)?   I agree with (1) and (2).      On (3) I answer "no".   N > > > Where priciples come in is either you finish the job right or you settle$ > > > for "just barely good enough". > > H > > Well, you have to define what "finishing the job" means. You have to( > > take into account limited resources. > ' > "limited resources" = a job half-done    Resources are always limited.   B > > In this case, the principle of increasing the VMS base is more; > > important than anything else you've brought up. Period.  > . > All the more reason to finish the job right.  F All the more reason to be happy about some actual VMS marketing. Isn't2 that what you've been screaming for for years now?   K > > > "Just barely good enough" is not what got VMS to where it is today in A > > > terms of the features it is known for (security, stability,  > > > functionality, etc.).  > > J > > And being the best is what brought it to its recent long-term decline? > / > We all know here that blame squarely falls...  > 
 > > [snip]B > > Selling more VMS is right. You can't do everything to the max. > D > "to the max" is not necessary. Doing it right is not negotiatable.   Fine, be miserable.    > > You % > > can't be perfect with everything.  > A > "perfect" is not necessary. Doing it right is not negotiatable.    Fine, be miserable.   # > > With this attitude, very little  > > would ever get done. > 8 > Depends. You can do it right and still not be perfect.  B Despite their not having "done it right" by your standards, you'reA level of anger over that is way out of proportion. How do you get  through the day?   > > > [snip]M > > > I'm talking as if they are two sides of the same coin, not opposites of N > > > different coins. They cannot be separated. A half-done job is half-done.F > > > A well-done job is well-done. The bit is either "on" or its not. > > 6 > > Nonsense. The world is more complicated than that. > 9 > Only if you make it that way. Get back to fundamentals.   B You can learn all the fundamental laws of physics and without someB further analysis you'll never have a clue as to why water suddenly> turns solid at 0 deg. C. And since without physics there is noA chemistry, and without chemistry there is no biology; and without @ biology there are no people; and without physics, chemistry, andD people there are no computers; fundamentals aren't enough. (AssumingD the fundamentals are the fundamental laws of physics, which underlie everything else.)    > > > > [snip]Q > > > > It's targeted at people who might buy VMS systems, most of whom are using S > > > > Windows browsers already.  (I don't like being in the position of defending R > > > > what I think was kind of a half-assed move to start with, but I just don'tQ > > > > think it's that bad.  It's not a deliberate effort to sell Windows boxes; O > > > > it's an effort to sell VMS boxes, and we should applaud efforts to sell S > > > > VMS boxes.  It would be better if it were platform-agnostic or available in  > > > > multiple formats.) > > > ' > > > I think we're all agreed on that.  > >  > > Then what is your problem? > A > I don't have one. I've made my case and supported it very well.   - THEN WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT?   # > You are the one with the problem.   B I think this video is great. My only worry is that people like youB will discourage *ANY* further marketing of VMS, which would be far5 worse than not sticking to your idea of "principles".    > > > > [snip]R > > > > That's never been what I was saying.  I've said repeatedly that I think itR > > > > would be better in a platform-agnostic format, and I agree.  The Linux andV > > > > Solaris and VMS users should get a nice MPEG or whatever that they can readilyO > > > > view; it's silly to cut out any part of your potential audience when it T > > > > doesn't cost much in resources to reach them.  But the considerable majorityR > > > > of browser users can see what's there, and that's better than not having a+ > > > > marketing message out there at all.  > > > I > > > Trouble is, the remainder of the effort remains lacking, even as we + > > > speak. So, it's still only half-done.  > > E > > You're starving to death. A half meal is certainly better than no F > > meal. A half meal every day could keep you alive. No meals and you
 > > will die.  > A > Depends. Is the food edible? (Significantly more than 5% of the G > population has food allergies. Can I eat the food in that half meal?)   E Yes, the food is edible. Hmmm, 5% eh? Well, saving 95% is better than @ saving 0%, except that you'd argue against it and all would die. There's life and death for ya!   [...]  > J > > More importantly, the hp video is not half done in the same way. It is) > > a complete video. Oranges and apples.  > F > ..except that I'm allergic to both oranges and apples. I need pears. > N > > > > >> Whether something that serves the overwhelming majority of browsersP > > > > >> actually deployed is "better than nothing" doesn't seem to be much of >  a > > > > >> question. >  [...] > > > > S > > > > Nope.  What I just did was to give evidence for the position that what they Q > > > > did is a _lot_ better than nothing.  You seem to keep arguing against the P > > > > better-than-nothing position (on the grounds, apparently, of an unstatedN > > > > principle), and I don't understand how you can maintain that position. > > > I > > > I just can't support the "most is good enough" idea. It isn't. It's  > > > shoddy work. Period. > >  > > It's not shoddy. > 7 > Depends. The "Brian"'s of the world seem to disagree.    So?   N > > > How many of us would get full pay for doing most of our job, but not all > > > of it? > > = > > Maybe the job was to put out the promo on Windows Player.  > I > Indicative of the "job half done" attitude. Now you're making MY point!  >  > > > T > > > > I am not arguing, and have not argued, that it's as good as possible; I have= > > > > only argued that it's better than no marketing video.  > > > J > > > ...and I have acknowledged that its a good start. Now when will they > > > finish the job?  > > + > > Who are you to dictate what the job is?  > I > Not me, the market. It's not 100% Windows. So, putting out an exclusive ( > item like that is shoddy work. Period.  E The world is not 100% English. America is not filled 100% with people E who understand English. So you're arguing that every marketing effort * has to be in every language under the sun?  F It seems to me that the video is accessible to 99% of those who should? see it. And it also seems to me that you are 99% upset over the C missing 1% and not even 1% excited about the 99%.(!) OTOH, you said B you agree with us yet you argue against us. I don't know what your saying anymore.   ! > > Just exactly what constitutes  > > finishing the job? > : > Re-read this thread, starting from Brian's initial post.   I'm not rereading this thread.     >  > > > > [snip]G > > > > The Super Bowl is one TV show watched by a vast majority of the V > > > > available viewers.  Buy an ad on the Super Bowl and it will be seen by more TVR > > > > viewers than an ad on any other show.  But there are definitely people whoC > > > > won't see it (like me, actually); they don't like football.  > > > L > > > The number of folks who would be likely to remember, for any length ofJ > > > time, a product that they saw only once briefly while getting a beerK > > > between quarters/halves is likely to be sufficiently low as to render I > > > the investment a near-total loss. They won't see ads elsewhere, and L > > > since they've likely never seen it before, and are likely to never seeM > > > it again, the chances of them remembering are rather poor. Even if they M > > > should remember "VMS", and go Yahoo!-ing, Googling, etc. for it, was it J > > > "Vendor Management System", "Voluntary Milking System", "Video MediaJ > > > Services", or any of the other possible hits besides what we usually > > > think of as VMS? > > 
 > > Apple. > 3 > You mean, Apple has a product called "VMS", also?   F And what would Googling for Apple give? Certainly not VMS. (Talk about non-sequitur!)  K > > > > I think this is exactly analogous to the Windows-specific-format vs U > > > > something easily viewable on Mac, Linux, Solaris, or VMS.  You pick up by far O > > > > the largest chunk of the available audience in one shot.  So it's not a T > > > > non-sequitur, it's an exact analogy.  You seem to be resisting saying "Cool,U > > > > a VMS video on the website!" and going straight to "these unprincipled people 4 > > > > are trying to subliminally promote Windows." > > > # > > > I never said either of those.  > > ! > > Oh, please. You have said so.  >  > Re-read this thread.   Surely you jest.  : OK, OK, I'll reread the thread. Hold on a minute please...? ............................................................... ? ............................................................... ? ............................................................... ? ...............................................................  [...]  .  .  .  [...] ? ............................................................... ? ............................................................... ? ............................................................... ? ...............................................................   2 Whew! Well, it still seems to me that you said so.  D OK, no, I didn't really reread this thread. There isn't enough time!  G > > > Since the point seems to gotten lost, let me state it clearly and N > > > unequivocally: Brian felt left out. He responded to it and expressed his > > > feelings.  > > > ; > > > *THAT* and *THAT ALONE* is what this thread is about.  > > 2 > > All this fuss because one person got left out. > I > I guess I'll have congratulate Brian on his uniqueness. He's the *ONLY* D > person in the whole computing world who lacks a .wmv-capable media	 > player.  >  > Whooda thunk?  >  > > So we shouldn't F > > increase the VMS base unless Brian gets to see the video. LOL! You: > > would prefer HP-UX videos in platform-agnostic format? > H > I belive that's what I've blasting into your skull for long that I now) > have order more thermo-nuclear devices.   A That's nuts. Simply nuts. Also, why do you want to promote HP-UX?    [.................]    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jul 2004 10:30:25 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)4 Subject: Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!)= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0407140930.117420d0@posting.google.com>   e David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<40F49ABE.635CCDFB@comcast.net>...  > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > > h > > David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<40F063C5.B38DE1D@comcast.net>...0 > > > Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote: > > > > [snip] [...]  > > > G > > > Since the point seems to gotten lost, let me state it clearly and N > > > unequivocally: Brian felt left out. He responded to it and expressed his > > > feelings.  > > > ; > > > *THAT* and *THAT ALONE* is what this thread is about.  > > 2 > > All this fuss because one person got left out. > I > I guess I'll have congratulate Brian on his uniqueness. He's the *ONLY* D > person in the whole computing world who lacks a .wmv-capable media	 > player.  >  > Whooda thunk?   A So if HP actually advertises VMS on TV, will you be just as upset @ about it because I won't be able to see it as I don't have a TV?  E If I choose not to have a TV, and I can't see something that's on TV,  that's my fault.  8 And if hp actually did advertise on TV, I'd be ecstatic!   [...]    ------------------------------   Date: 14 Jul 2004 05:45:07 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com  Subject: Re: Blogging on VMS, Message-ID: <cd2h930220s@enews4.newsguy.com>  / Alphaman <alphaman-nix-spam@alphant.com> wrote: G > For those interested, I've managed to successfully install and run a  > > decent blogging package on OpenVMS.  I've got the following:  ? >   - AlphaServer 400 4/233, 192 MB RAM, 3 GB disk, OVMS v7.3-1  >   - SWS v2.0 >   - PHP v1.2, >   - Pivot v1.14 (http://www.pivotlog.net/)  E I've still got some work to do, but I've almost got it running on the @ following setup.  I've finally gotten the basics working though.  - PWS 433au, 1GB RAM, 18GB disk, OpenVMS V7.3-2 	 WASD V8.1 5 PHP V1.2 (I think that's right, I grabbed the latest)  Pivot V1.14   K Of course what I really want to have working is phpbb, but I can't get past + PHP thinking it doesn't have MySQL support.    	Zane    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:43:27 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>  Subject: Re: Blogging on VMS8 Message-ID: <tcl9f0p8v7d9mpceo93f6ep935d4oevuss@4ax.com>  7 On 14 Jul 2004 05:45:07 GMT, healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:   L >Of course what I really want to have working is phpbb, but I can't get past, >PHP thinking it doesn't have MySQL support.  P Exactly what problem are you having? I set up a demo of phpbb on OpenVMS a whileO ago first off before MySQL was ported to VMS so I pointed it at a database on a I PC. Later when I got MySQL for VMS I plugged it in & it worked just fine.    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:03:57 +0200  From: jf.pieronne@laposte.net  Subject: Re: Blogging on VMS2 Message-ID: <cd2su8$hkh$1@news-reader3.wanadoo.fr>   healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:1 > Alphaman <alphaman-nix-spam@alphant.com> wrote:  > G >>For those interested, I've managed to successfully install and run a  > >>decent blogging package on OpenVMS.  I've got the following: >  > ? >>  - AlphaServer 400 4/233, 192 MB RAM, 3 GB disk, OVMS v7.3-1  >>  - SWS v2.0 >>  - PHP v1.2, >>  - Pivot v1.14 (http://www.pivotlog.net/) >  > G > I've still got some work to do, but I've almost got it running on the B > following setup.  I've finally gotten the basics working though. > / > PWS 433au, 1GB RAM, 18GB disk, OpenVMS V7.3-2  > WASD V8.1 7 > PHP V1.2 (I think that's right, I grabbed the latest) 
 > Pivot V1.14  > M > Of course what I really want to have working is phpbb, but I can't get past - > PHP thinking it doesn't have MySQL support.  >  > 	Zane  >  >   * phpbb now work near out of the box on VMS,  1 I have add the following 2 lines to extension.inc   ! if (! extension_loaded ("mysql"))       dl ("php_mysql");    H and that's all (except the configuration rule for my httpd server (WASD)   config WASD 8.5 PHP 1.2  MySQL 4.1.3 (latest kit)    L I have a small problem to fix, because I run phpbb script under a dedicated E username (I do this for all, so any security issue into any tools is   restricted to this tool).   ' The user is corectly register but I got 6 %TCPIP-E-SMTP_CFERROR, control file error in create_cf> after register a user when the script try to send an ack mail.    @ I Don't know where the problem come from, if someone has a idea.        
 Jean-Franois    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:28:48 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>  Subject: Re: Blogging on VMS8 Message-ID: <u0v9f0hmka73hvg1r70b38s7fb6cp6c127@4ax.com>  D On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:43:27 GMT, Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> wrote:  8 >On 14 Jul 2004 05:45:07 GMT, healyzh@aracnet.com wrote: > M >>Of course what I really want to have working is phpbb, but I can't get past - >>PHP thinking it doesn't have MySQL support.  > Q >Exactly what problem are you having? I set up a demo of phpbb on OpenVMS a while P >ago first off before MySQL was ported to VMS so I pointed it at a database on aJ >PC. Later when I got MySQL for VMS I plugged it in & it worked just fine.  L I just remembered what I had to do to get it working. You need CSWS_PHP V1.2P that includes MySQL support & you need to ensure that apache$common:[php]php.ini
 has the line   extension=php_mysql.exe    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------   Date: 14 Jul 2004 16:43:30 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com  Subject: Re: Blogging on VMS, Message-ID: <cd3nri0146t@enews3.newsguy.com>   jf.pieronne@laposte.net wrote:, > phpbb now work near out of the box on VMS,  3 > I have add the following 2 lines to extension.inc   # > if (! extension_loaded ("mysql"))  >      dl ("php_mysql");  G Sweet!  Of course now it looks like I have to setup access to the MySQL * database, but this is serious progress :^)   	Zane    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:09:41 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> & Subject: Re: Defend OVMS on OSNews.com, Message-ID: <zIadnUl7aKUBrWjdRVn-vA@igs.net>   Kenneth Farmer wrote: @ > I submitted Colin's "Hack-proof and crash resistant - have youE > discovered the OS world's best-kept secret?" article on OSNews.com.  > 0 > http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=7672 > : > An IBM customer/employee made a statement about zSeries. > C > In addition, I submitted the "OpenVMS: An Old Dog Still Doing New 8 > Tricks" article.  It will probably be posted tomorrow. > D > Last I heard, about a year ago, OSNews.com got around 30K visitors > daily. > D > We need OVMS people in the comments section to "gently and kindly" > educate the masses.  :)     ' We have to because HP will never do it.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:48:39 GMT $ From: On <herbed@www.comicsorgy.com>J Subject: Do you fantasize about rubbing your dick on Homer Simpson's body?6 Message-ID: <HY9Jc.23869$%A6.21296@charlie.risq.qc.ca>  A As our treat, i got movies of Bart making Maggie Simpson PREGNANT   , Browse to HTTP://www.TOONtoon.Com///ximpsons  2 Or you see http://www.COMICSORGY.COM/simpsons for J the really xtreme pics of Bart and Maggie drinking eachothers' sex juices.  C You try also HTTP://AdultSeries.NET////simpsons-xxx/index.html for  I extra intimate shots of Lisa & Maggie moaning in most incredible orgazms.         1 On <herpussy@www.comicsorgy.com> wrote in message = news:x2tqbzSjq4FyBsKnfhyiVSH7Da4Ot9HkEv@www.comicsorgy.com...  > O > her middle finger buried inside Lisa glazed eyes focused immediately on Bart   >  > 	 > gppv84f    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:51:08 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> + Subject: Re: Ex post facto ODS-5 conversion 8 Message-ID: <irl9f01kmf79gk5hknjemlu1h7sj47pb2e@4ax.com>  O On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:38:12 -0400, Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com> wrote:   * >How about the belt & suspenders approach? > M >Get an extra disk and init it as ODS-5 and then transfer the contents using  M >BACKUP.  Or, BACKUP/VERIFY to tape, re-init the volume as ODS-5 and restore  E >from tape if you don't have spare disk.  Disk drives are relatively  J >inexpensive, though, so I don't view the cost of an extra drive as being L >high compared to what would happen if the data were lost doing an in-place  >conversion.  N While that's a safe approach in that you would want a backup you don't need toP do the restore. Simply boot from the OpenVMS OS CD & select Execute DCL commandsJ from the menu. Then mount the system disk privately then SET VOL/STRUCT=5. Reboot & your done.    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jul 2004 08:17:49 -0700' From: steve.esson@esa.int (hieronymous)   Subject: HSZ40 disks unavailable= Message-ID: <fe9697fd.0407140717.4b982f71@posting.google.com>   D Just replaced the cache batteries in dual HSZ40's after both batteryF sets failed.  Both controllers now show "battery GOOD, cache GOOD" andD everything looks as it should.  I see all the devices and I can boot/ from the one which is the original system disk. 7 All devices appear normal from the Alpha console level.   A The problem is that other than the system disk, none of the other D disks are available.  If I try to boot from any of them then it saysE "no media present or disabled via the run/stop switch".   In VMS they E appear as normal online unmounted disks but give the error "medium is  offline" if I try to use them.  " Any idea what the problem is here?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:40:30 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>) Subject: Re: Mailing list as email/digest * Message-ID: <2lk2r2Fd1kasU1@uni-berlin.de>   Michael Unger wrote:1 > On 2004-07-13 17:13, "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:  >  >  >>Michael Clark wrote: >> >>G >>>Is it possible to get this group as a mailing list or digest?  Using G >>>google to access this list is clunky at best.  I dont really want to . >>>load a newsgroup client just for this list. >>>  >>>  >>>  >>H >>Yeap, Mark at SAIC graciously runs a relay, send an e-mail to (change ; >>the carot to an ampersand): Info-VAX-Request^Mvb.Saic.Com  >> >>with   >> >>SUBSCRIBE INFO-VAX >> >>in the body of the message...  >  > C > ... or "HELP" to get a list of all supported commands, including:  >  > | SET E > | Sets various mailing parameters.  Syntax: SET list-name parameter   > | The parameters accepted are: > | C > | DIGEST - which set your subscription to receive all postings in 
 >   ^^^^^^ > | digest format.E > | NODIGEST - which resets your subscription to receive each message  > | individually.  > | 	 > | [...]  >   A I'll add that I find the digest format much easier to use. It is  = normally sent twice a day at approximately 8 am and 8 pm CET.    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jul 2004 01:02:40 -0700# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley) ) Subject: Re: Mailing list as email/digest = Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0407140002.6369dc97@posting.google.com>   m John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> wrote in message news:<6vv7f017i5jls75qga4ui1afsu7qnll2m9@4ax.com>... F > On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:10:29 GMT, Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> wrote: > S > >On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:13:36 -0700, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote:  > >  > >>Michael Clark wrote: > >>I > >>>Is it possible to get this group as a mailing list or digest?  Using I > >>>google to access this list is clunky at best.  I dont really want to 0 > >>>load a newsgroup client just for this list. > >>> J > >>Yeap, Mark at SAIC graciously runs a relay, send an e-mail to (change = > >>the carot to an ampersand): Info-VAX-Request^Mvb.Saic.Com  > > R > >I think that you mean change it to an '@' sign. I forget what the official wordL > >is in English but in French it is an escargot (snail) which is cute:-) An > >ampersand is '&'. > M > "@" is known in English (afaik) only as an "at sign".  Its use predates the C > internet, of course, but it still meant "at".   Which is nice ;-)  >  > [The "^" symbol is a carat.] not a circumflax?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 07:58:10 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> ) Subject: Re: Mailing list as email/digest ' Message-ID: <40F54A02.8060201@MMaz.com>    Paul Sture wrote:   C > I'll add that I find the digest format much easier to use. It is  ? > normally sent twice a day at approximately 8 am and 8 pm CET.   G My only gripe about digest users is that if/when they reply to a post,  H it can be easily 12 hours old and they are posting in a stream that was G either long ago resolved, better detailed by more information by later  H posts since the digest was transmitted, or changed direction entirely - I so for those that are reading and perhaps responding to messages in real  G time, you see messages that are reminiscent of satellite delay because   they are so stale...     Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:22:15 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> % Subject: Re: OpenVMS makes Datamation , Message-ID: <vP6dnUkA6MwTrmjdRVn-gQ@igs.net>   Kenneth Farmer wrote: , > OpenVMS: An Old Dog Still Doing New Tricks; >  http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/erp/article.php/3380341  > = > Let's keep this momentum going.  If you see a story about a D > solution/product and OpenVMS can do it better, email the author of< > the article or editor of the magazine.  Gently, kindly andE > to-the-point, let them know the virtues of VMS.  They're hungry for 0 > the info.  They want to write about champions.    H Everyone here should do what I did today - send the link to this and theG other article to anyone you know who has influence over IT or executive  decision making.  K I sent these links and a cover note to people we are currently talking with D about various projects, to friends who used to use VMS and are stillH involved in non-VMS IT-related activities, to application architects, toL people I know in end-user departments who have a lot of clout over what gets= chosen, and to people who are royally pained by their current  Microsoft-based systems.  F So far I've received two calls back from people who want to know more.  B Try it and see what happens with your circle of business contacts.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:17:57 GMT ' From: Rick Dyson <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> ? Subject: Re: OpenVMS Management Station -  cluster storage ???? ( Message-ID: <40F53285.2040406@uiowa.edu>   Dave,   I I have the dual HSG80 setup too, and I have v8.7F-4 on my HSG80s.  I have K not checked recently to see if -4 is current.  BUT, the base PCMCIA version N is v8.7 vs. your v8.6.  You might want to look into that, too.  It sounds likeR you have a support contract and you should have gotten the v8.7 cards last year...   rick   Dave Baxter wrote:< >     Just for information, here a summary of what we found: > F > HSOF firmware V8.6F-7    (discovered that current patch level should > be 13)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:06:31 +0100 & From: Nic Clews <spamthis@[127.0.0.1]>7 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Marketing: Variations on "stealth" ' Message-ID: <cd3493$g4g$1@lore.csc.com>    David J Dachtera wrote: J > With OpenVMS getting exposure in the trade rags (or at least the on-lineG > versions there of), perhaps the marketing folks at hp know more about F > stretching their advertising dollars than we give them credit for... >  > Just a thought...  >  > D.J.D.# > (Donning flame-resistant garb...)   / <Strikes match... blowtorch off and running...>   F It's in the paper version I assure you [the Computer Weekly article]. H Page 20. On page 3 "My Take" by Derek Eaton of PMAS lists it as a "long  overdue" article.   G I think what we're seeing is in line with how "they" have said they'll   market VMS.   F If you recall back to my Car Park Charges, at that very same venue, I G rugby tackled ME Fortier about the very issue of marketing. As you can  H see, I'm still walking, but she told me that their emphasis is on doing F the Technical Update sessions, and the forums, bringing engineers in, F getting corporate presentations, getting and publishing testimonials, E and this is where its going. Glossy Wall Street Journal chip [fries]   wrapping paper not included.  G I agree with you to some degree that out and out front page mainstream  H advertising would be just what the doctor ordered. However, what HP are = doing can also be seen as effective. We [CSC] recently had a  I presentation to our guys in the field that spec customer solutions using :F blank sheets of paper. I know recently that some IPF porting sessions F run in the UK were so successful, they are planning another set later < this year. Does it bring investment in OpenVMS? Yes it does.  > Call it stealth if you must, but it has one hell of a payload.   -- lE Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. Car Park Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesr nclews at csc dot come   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:08:44 -0400a# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>t7 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Marketing: Variations on "stealth"m, Message-ID: <Io-dnaiaeYv-rWjd4p2dnA@igs.net>   David J Dachtera wrote:-B > With OpenVMS getting exposure in the trade rags (or at least theD > on-line versions there of), perhaps the marketing folks at hp knowC > more about stretching their advertising dollars than we give themo > credit for...y >r > Just a thought...l >  > D.J.D.# > (Donning flame-resistant garb...),    H Don't expect that any formal part of HP (OpenVMS Marketing, HP corporateJ marketing & advertising, etc...),  in short any dept. within HP that has a$ budget had anything to do with this.  H No doubt HP will *NOT* followup with any VMS-specific advertising in theI publications where these articles appears. After all, why strike when the A pump is primed - it's better to let VMS slip back into obscurity.    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jul 2004 08:31:23 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)-7 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Marketing: Variations on "stealth"e= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0407140731.6b77315c@posting.google.com>n   Dave,a  , Not true this is how bad rumors get started.   sue)    e David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<40F4A382.C867FDF0@comcast.net>....J > With OpenVMS getting exposure in the trade rags (or at least the on-lineG > versions there of), perhaps the marketing folks at hp know more aboutoF > stretching their advertising dollars than we give them credit for... >  > Just a thought...j >  > D.J.D.# > (Donning flame-resistant garb...)F   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jul 2004 07:07:13 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)6 Subject: Re: Oracle Classic migration (OpenVMS to WNT)= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0407140607.49d058d3@posting.google.com>n  W "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<Xqidnaa8EqNeBWndRVn-uA@igs.net>...t > Michael Austin wrote:r > > Fabio Cardoso wrote: > >t > >> Dear Sirs (DBAs)  > >>< > >> We have an old AXP server with a legacy Oracle Database> > >> with financial information and we need to migrate it from/ > >> the OpenVMS server to a Windows NT server.:> > >> We will perform a full export and import. Do you know any= > >> specific consideration about migrating from Oracle under92 > >> OpenVMS to Oacle under WNT: ACLs, users etc ? > >> > >> Or just do it ? > >>G > >> $ exp73 userid=system/manager file=exp.dmp full=y log=exp_test.loga > >>> > >> C:\imp80 userid=system/manager file=exp.dmp full=y show=y > >> log=imp_test.log  > >> > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> FC  > > F > > as long as you create the tablespace before doing the import as it9 > > will not be able to translate/create the tablespaces.  > >eG > > Sorry to here you are going from stable to very unpredictable - not B > > to mention it can't generally handle the same workload as VMS. >  > L > Since when has that logic *EVER* mattered to any corporation once they had' > their mind made up despite the facts?o > < > The power of advertising and marketing at work once again.  = The question is ... the systems are not in production and thewE legacy AS-2100 was turned off and moved to the companys "garage" :-)eC But they needed some informations and I turned it on, but they donttA want to mantain the systems under OVMS ! So they decide to export4A the database ! I cant do nothing ! I worked for them a long time dI ago and they were 100% DEC those times: VAX 6420, and all Decnet stuff ! 9     []s   Fabio C.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jul 2004 06:11:42 -0700* From: mclark@nemschoff.com (Michael Clark)C Subject: Re: PF keyboard mappings for VMS telnet using RDP/Rdesktope= Message-ID: <f5191d44.0407140511.2848b868@posting.google.com>B  j Roger Haxby <roger.haaxxby@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:<Ll_Ic.212$3E6.124@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>... > Michael Clark wrote: > J > > This was originally posted to the Thinstation mailing list and then toF > > the Rdesktop list.  They dont seem to be very interested in PF keyB > > support, I think perhaps I am the only one trying to use this. > > F > > Thinstation is a small linux distrobution that usings Rdesktop for- > > terminal services connections to windows. 0 > > -------------------------------------------- > >  > > D > > With Thinstation 2.1, if I launch a telnet session to an OpenVMS
 > > serverA > > 7.2-1 all the keyboard mappings are correct with DEC PF1-PF4.o > > Everything works great.  > > I > > When I try the same thing from inside Rdesktop, The PF1 (number lock)  > > key F > > does not work correctly (non DEC mapping).  The connection is madeH > > using a program called Smart term, which works on windows computers,- > > and in Microsoft's remote desktop client.h > > < > > I believe this is where the mapping needs to be changed: > > vim L > > Thinstation-2.1/packages/keymaps-en_us/rdesktop/lib/kmaps/keymaps/common > >  > >  > > #e > > # Numpad > > #l$ > > Num_Lock 0x45 <-- problem maybe? > > KP_Divide 0xb5 > > KP_Multiply 0x37 > > KP_Subtract 0x4a > > KP_Add 0x4e  > > KP_Enter 0x9ce > > H > > I have found many places that talk about PF keys, and mappings.  And > > beenF > > told about 6-7 different Hex values for that this should/could be. > > D > > If anyone can point me in the correct direction I appreciate it. > >  > > Michael Clarky > > Nemschoff Chairs Inc > > mclark at nemschoff dot com & > > CompTIA A+, Network+, Server+, MCP > > Voice: (920) 457 7726 x294 > > Fax:  (920) 453 6594 > ? > I cannot tell from your post whether you are running rdesktopr? > from a VAX or not.  I have a port that works on VAX, which is  > posted to : > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/roger.haxby1/rdesktop.html. > ? > The common keymap file has been modified in that area for VAXnB > keyboards (working into windows), which may help you.  There is A > another keymap file changed for VAX too, which may be relevant.g >  >  diffs listing is: > 2 > roger@coot:~/rdp_1_2/keymaps> diff common comvax >  > 16c16o > < BackSpace 0xe  > ---e > > Delete 0xe > 22c22t > < ISO_Left_Tab 0xf shift > ---t > > #ISO_Left_Tab 0xf shifti > 95c95o > < Delete 0xd3 localstate > ---r > > apLineDel 0xd3 localstatet
 > 98,99c98,99  > < Page_Up 0xc9 localstate  > < Page_Down 0xd1 localstatei > ---a > > Prior 0xc9 localstatei > > Next 0xd1 localstate > 112,114c112,117T > < KP_Divide 0xb5 > < KP_Multiply 0x37 > < KP_Subtract 0x4a > ---n > > #KP_Divide 0xb5h > > KP_F2 0xb5 > > #KP_Multiply 0x37  > > KP_F3 0x37 > > #KP_Subtract 0x4aa > > KP_F4 0x4a    ? Sorry for the lack of clerification the workstation, is a linux D computer.  Small 5mb distrobution that basically loads nothing but aF text menu system and rdesktop.  Ive tested Rdesktop on Linux, and *BSD and PF1 does not function.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:11:33 -0400o# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>o: Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?, Message-ID: <1dKdnUOgd8yQrGjd4p2dnA@igs.net>   David J Dachtera wrote:aH > Is anyone aware of a company prodiving a turn-key OpenVMS solution forB > e-mail, web services and/or both? I thought I followed a link onF > Google Groups to one once, but I didn't print anything out from that% > site and don't a URL to go back to.d > F > The time for such seems to be ripening, and if Itanic can repair itsF > hull, pump out and put itself to rights, OVMS-I64 may be a practicalG > alternative to the trendier UN*X options (which will, undoubtedly, beeF > available on the soon-to-be ubiquitous x86-64, unlike a certain o.s.* > we all know of - VMS snoozes, it loses). >  > D.J.D.    H Time to DJD to pull together an open-source CD and a self-published book  that contains all the foregoing.   ;-) (half kidding)   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:05:02 GMTC1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>o: Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?< Message-ID: <i4bJc.8491$dg4.5870@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>   John Smith wrote:r   > David J Dachtera wrote:y > H >>Is anyone aware of a company prodiving a turn-key OpenVMS solution forB >>e-mail, web services and/or both? I thought I followed a link onF >>Google Groups to one once, but I didn't print anything out from that% >>site and don't a URL to go back to.n >>F >>The time for such seems to be ripening, and if Itanic can repair itsF >>hull, pump out and put itself to rights, OVMS-I64 may be a practicalG >>alternative to the trendier UN*X options (which will, undoubtedly, befF >>available on the soon-to-be ubiquitous x86-64, unlike a certain o.s.* >>we all know of - VMS snoozes, it loses). >> >>D.J.D. >  >  > J > Time to DJD to pull together an open-source CD and a self-published book" > that contains all the foregoing. >  > ;-) (half kidding) >  >   J Actually, I have been looking at it... trying to see what can replace the O functionality of the "extras" in Exchange (calendaring etc...) The IMAP server lN in TCPIP is okay, but when opening a folder with 200 emails in it, it takes a O while (~10 headers/sec or so using Thunderbird (Mozilla)) - the reading of the aO headers takes too long to be offered commercially.  At this stage, I would say oO it is novelty.  I have the Web thing down pretty good, including PHP and MySQL  P (need these to be more up todate, but I don't have the porting skills necessary N to assist in that effort.)  There are a number of PHP packages that work with K very few changes (usually the unzip utility changes the multi-dot files to yO single-dot.  Also needing to add /parse_style=extended to the login.com of the tP web server is necessary.  It would be REAL nice if this could be a system level : logical and turn it off per process using set proc/pars...   --   Michael Austin.o Consultant - Available.Y@ Donations welcomed. Http://www.firstdbasource.com/donations.html :)   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:28:31 GMT % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> : Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?A Message-ID: <jqbJc.36582$eH1.17444313@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>   > "Michael Austin" <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message6 news:i4bJc.8491$dg4.5870@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com... > John Smith wrote:  >n [snip]L > single-dot.  Also needing to add /parse_style=extended to the login.com of theoK > web server is necessary.  It would be REAL nice if this could be a system  levelm< > logical and turn it off per process using set proc/pars...  > How about adding set proc/parse_style=extended to sys$sylogin?   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jul 2004 08:14:25 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski): Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0407140714.44e88f4b@posting.google.com>t  e David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<40F49CCD.5CA7E6AA@comcast.net>...oH > Is anyone aware of a company prodiving a turn-key OpenVMS solution forI > e-mail, web services and/or both? I thought I followed a link on GooglenH > Groups to one once, but I didn't print anything out from that site and > don't a URL to go back to. > F > The time for such seems to be ripening, and if Itanic can repair itsF > hull, pump out and put itself to rights, OVMS-I64 may be a practicalG > alternative to the trendier UN*X options (which will, undoubtedly, be I > available on the soon-to-be ubiquitous x86-64, unlike a certain o.s. wea' > all know of - VMS snoozes, it loses).i >  > D.J.D.   I'll do it! :)  L PMDF with Sophos antivirus and Precisemail anti-spam for the VMS mail server+ and TCPware/Purveyor for the web server ...l   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:28:06 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>h: Subject: RE: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIOEKADIAA.tom@kednos.com>    < -----Original Message-----1 < From: Bob Ceculski [mailto:bob@instantwhip.com] ( < Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 8:14 AM < To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com < < Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? <o <n? < David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in messagee) < news:<40F49CCD.5CA7E6AA@comcast.net>...nJ < > Is anyone aware of a company prodiving a turn-key OpenVMS solution forK < > e-mail, web services and/or both? I thought I followed a link on GoogleVJ < > Groups to one once, but I didn't print anything out from that site and < > don't a URL to go back to. < >eH < > The time for such seems to be ripening, and if Itanic can repair itsH < > hull, pump out and put itself to rights, OVMS-I64 may be a practicalI < > alternative to the trendier UN*X options (which will, undoubtedly, be K < > available on the soon-to-be ubiquitous x86-64, unlike a certain o.s. we ) < > all know of - VMS snoozes, it loses).e < >-
 < > D.J.D. <  < I'll do it! :) <vB < PMDF with Sophos antivirus and Precisemail anti-spam for the VMS
 < mail serverh- < and TCPware/Purveyor for the web server ...i  L Why not make it a plugin framework so you could use different componens,e.g. WASD, MX and so on.    <  < ---e( < Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.< < Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A < Version: 6.0.717 / Virus Database: 473 - Release Date: 7/8/2004  <  ---h& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.717 / Virus Database: 473 - Release Date: 7/8/2004.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:57:26 +0000 (UTC). From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk: Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?( Message-ID: <cd3l56$rc$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>  i In article <jqbJc.36582$eH1.17444313@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes:.? >"Michael Austin" <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message.7 >news:i4bJc.8491$dg4.5870@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com.... >> John Smith wrote: >> >[snip].M >> single-dot.  Also needing to add /parse_style=extended to the login.com oft >theL >> web server is necessary.  It would be REAL nice if this could be a system >level= >> logical and turn it off per process using set proc/pars...a > ? >How about adding set proc/parse_style=extended to sys$sylogin?t >d  M I'd hope that by VMS 8.2 the default setting for the system can be controlledh by a sysgen parameter.E Setting logicals or commands in sylogin just seem such a messy way of'% controlling something so fundamental.e  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:04:57 GMTu1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> : Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?< Message-ID: <ZIdJc.8615$z35.7573@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:fg > David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<40F49CCD.5CA7E6AA@comcast.net>...y > H >>Is anyone aware of a company prodiving a turn-key OpenVMS solution forI >>e-mail, web services and/or both? I thought I followed a link on GooglelH >>Groups to one once, but I didn't print anything out from that site and >>don't a URL to go back to. >>F >>The time for such seems to be ripening, and if Itanic can repair itsF >>hull, pump out and put itself to rights, OVMS-I64 may be a practicalG >>alternative to the trendier UN*X options (which will, undoubtedly, beoI >>available on the soon-to-be ubiquitous x86-64, unlike a certain o.s. weS' >>all know of - VMS snoozes, it loses).] >> >>D.J.D. >  >  > I'll do it! :) > N > PMDF with Sophos antivirus and Precisemail anti-spam for the VMS mail server- > and TCPware/Purveyor for the web server ...   O Bob,  I know you really like Purveyor and TCPWare, and it has worked very well tP for a long time, but the fact is that if you have to "pay extra" for it, and it P is not actively being developed and it may not be ported to Itanium (regardless O of whether you like that chip or not), then it doesn't make sense to use it in  P this manner.  A turn-key solution also needs to be somewhat "industry standard" O (I hate using that term, but it does apply) so that most anyone can figure out  Q how to configure it and support it.  TCPWARE will add a level of complexity when yQ trying to install anything else, Oracle comes to mind, that would not make it my  
 first choice.2  I Does Purveyor speak PERL, PHP, MySQL, Python, etc... not the last time I eL checked.  Using Apache on VMS I have been able to use several different PHP Q "freeware" downloads with only minor changes - usually involving ODS-5/multi-dot r
 filenames.  O The PMDF/Sophos looks good, (if you can get a Sophos dealer to actually return  O your call!!!)  Does PMDF have a calendaring feature built in like Exchange - i  O hate to use that as an example, but it is (unfortunately) currently the "gold" e	 standard.   L VMS has come a step closer in being able to play in the LDAP/single-sign-on O arena which would be needed to make all of these tools play in the NT sand box.h  N I would seperate Web server functinality from mail functionality - especially 7 for larger installations where email speed is critical.    -- g Michael Austin.M Consultant - Available. @ Donations welcomed. Http://www.firstdbasource.com/donations.html :)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:20:32 +0200g* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>2 Subject: Re: VAX Users See the Writing on the Wall* Message-ID: <2lk1llFdp8u8U1@uni-berlin.de>   Keith Cayemberg wrote: > Nic Clews wrote: >    [snip]  J >> Ah but there is, this is the problem. Have you tried some of the older G >> operating systems on later hardware? If you had hair, you certainly sE >> won't finish the exercise with any. The pee cee world has no real tH >> concept of longevity, ok maybe the Proliants of the world, maybe the J >> powerpc, but they are still driven by market forces, when the smallest @ >> disk you can get is totally incompatible with the o/s [loose @ >> description] you're trying to use. USB mouse with everything. >>. >> "Also available for Alpha running OpenVMS." >> > J > I hope you don't mind my chiming in at this point. But I have a thought  > to add here... > J > Many of the surviving installations of OpenVMS on VAX are still running D > for "mission-critical" reasons, and have consequently higher than K > average demands on the stability of their environments. Speed would be a o? > lesser consideration than having predictable performance and mF > reliability.  When you place your existing OS environment on top of H > another OS, you have made your system dependant on the foibles of two C > operating system installations instead of just one. When the two eI > operating systems are also very different from one another, and likely  J > have very different reactions to enviromnental influences, you have not H > only complicated your system but also compounded the potential errors I > which can occurr that influence the systems stability. What I'm saying (I > is, irrespective of the quality of the operating systems involved, the aI > placing of an OS on top of a similar or same OS will in principle be a .I > more stable total system than placing the OS on top of a different one rI > which has a different set of problems compounding the set of potential i  > problems in the entire system. >s  G Added to that with CHARON-VAX for OVMS/Alpha there is the advantage of ,D using a common set of adminstration tools for both the host and the 
 emulated VAX.n  G The same goes for support. Dealing with just OVMS Engineering plus SRI iA has to be easier than adding either Linux or MS support; it also a: decreases the chance of finger pointing between suppliers.  F > In other words, for many demanding customers, CHARON VAX on OpenVMS D > Alpha (and later on IPF) is an important option that shouldn't be I > casually overlooked for the sake of placing their system on cheaper or .' > faster (integer ops) pop OS/Hardware.  >   C And here is a case in point. Now I know that at various times Hoff sC himself has recommended a wipe and load installation to get rid of  I cruft, but I feel that recommending this approach for all users is plain   wrong:  J http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/deploy/upwpload.mspx     "Upgrade or Wipe-and-Loadt@ Choosing the Best Scenario for Deploying Windows XP Professional   ...C   Summary2  G This white paper described the risks and benefits of two scenarios for pG deploying Windows XP Professional: in-place upgrade and wipe-and-load. eC The first scenario involves upgrading an existing configuration to eI Windows XP Professional. Users dont loose their documents and settings, nI and already installed applications remain. At first glance, the in-place tH upgrade scenario seems like the easiest method to use, since Windows XP I Setup runs fully unattended and users keep their current configurations. lF However, this scenario is not as straightforward is it seems, and the H traits that make this scenario seem easy are the very ones that make it @ so complex. You learned about these complexities in the section  In-Place Upgrade Risks.r  @ In the wipe-and-load scenario, you replace a computers current D configuration with a reference configuration. As you learned in the H section Wipe-and-Load Risks, this scenario has few risks, and most of A the risks associated with it are easily overcome with tools that cH Microsoft provides for free. In fact, the rewards far exceed the risks. E Rather than perpetuating an unmanaged environment, the wipe-and-load s< scenario resets configurations to a standardized, reference I configuration thats easier to manage and support. In this scenario, you  G dont carry forward existing problemsrather, you start fresh. You can SF learn more about the benefits of this scenario at Desktop Deployment D Center: Evaluate. For these reasons, Microsoft recommends that you E choose the wipe-and-load scenario to deploy Windows XP Professional."<  G > There are also situations/aspects inwhich older VAX applications are cI > able to take advantage of the latest OpenVMS Alpha cluster and storage .G > features which would be unavailable if left on the VAX or moved to a N > Intel 32-bit PC base system. >   3 And you can use good old BACKUP for the lot too :-)s   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:54:20 GMTr! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>:' Subject: Re: [OT] LAMP - an observationt8 Message-ID: <n3m9f0p87a4gtrsjf506gq3csmr2684a93@4ax.com>  M On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:42:48 GMT, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>s wrote:  , >So, if Linux/Apache/MySQL/PHP is a LAMP box >y >does that mean that:d >f% >Windows/IIS/MySQL/PHP is a WIMP box?c >d	 >:) :) :)y  " VMS/Apache/MySQL/PHP is a VAMP box   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur0   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:04:57 GMTc1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>k' Subject: Re: [OT] LAMP - an observationJ< Message-ID: <ZbaJc.8479$y_3.1566@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>   Nigel Barker wrote:e  O > On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:42:48 GMT, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>t > wrote: >  > - >>So, if Linux/Apache/MySQL/PHP is a LAMP box, >> >>does that mean that: >>& >>Windows/IIS/MySQL/PHP is a WIMP box? >>
 >>:) :) :) >  > $ > VMS/Apache/MySQL/PHP is a VAMP box >  > -- > Nigel Barker! > Live from the sunny Cote d'Azurg  ( it is better to be a VAMP than a WIMP :)     --   Michael Austin.  Consultant - Available.h@ Donations welcomed. Http://www.firstdbasource.com/donations.html :)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:19:06 +0200o1 From: "Pjotr Wedersteers" <x33159@westerterp.com>r' Subject: Re: [OT] LAMP - an observationy> Message-ID: <40f56ad3$0$8778$e4fe514c@dreader6.news.xs4all.nl>   Michael Austin wrote:-- > So, if Linux/Apache/MySQL/PHP is a LAMP boxr >  > does that mean that: >y& > Windows/IIS/MySQL/PHP is a WIMP box? >e
 > :) :) :) Touch! Hehehe ;-)* Aren't we lucky there is no IIS for linux!   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:04:53 -0400h# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>c* Subject: [OT]: Who elects these boneheads?, Message-ID: <ZNednawq8vLhsmjd4p2dnA@igs.net>  J http://reviews-zdnet.com.com/AnchorDesk/4520-7296_16-5142800.html?tag=adss   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.387 ************************