1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 15 Jul 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 389       Contents:5 Re: %SYSTEM-E-BADLOGIC on pmap_unset call VAX/VMS 6.2 " Re: Audit Trail of Interactive DCL" Re: Audit Trail of Interactive DCL Re: Blogging on VMS  Re: DS10 Fan ReplacementN Re: Hello, I want to complain-- [You want to complain!] (Was:  Accuweather...)- Re: HP Itanium servers at CDW, OpenVMS listed  Is a file open Re: Is a file open Re: Is a file open Re: Is a file open Re: Is a file open  Re: Mailing list as email/digest  Re: Mailing list as email/digest. Re: OpenVMS Marketing: Variations on "stealth". Re: OpenVMS Marketing: Variations on "stealth"1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? 1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? 1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? 1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? 1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2004 00:38:56 -07001 From: patrice.patron@euriware.Fr (Patrice PATRON) > Subject: Re: %SYSTEM-E-BADLOGIC on pmap_unset call VAX/VMS 6.2= Message-ID: <ee236176.0407142338.3b2d781c@posting.google.com>   M I don't undestand why but since the portmapper was reloaded it works now ???    
 Best Regards.    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2004 00:45:04 -0700# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley) + Subject: Re: Audit Trail of Interactive DCL = Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0407142345.20b14f6c@posting.google.com>   d lsk55@hotmail.com (Scott) wrote in message news:<926edf3b.0407141758.643c0457@posting.google.com>...H > I have a command procedure that simulates the DCL command line prompt,H > logging everything that the user types.  It works great, except that IG > lose up-arrow and RECALL.  I don't want to use ACCOUNTING because the I > information I want to track is really pretty minor and I don't want the I > the overhead.  I don't want to use a pseudo-terminal because it creates I > another process (I've got over 2,000 users on a single Alpha.)  But I'd , > sure like to get up-arrow and RECALL back! > H > So does anyone have any ideas about how I can track just what is typedG > in at the DCL prompt in interactive mode?  (Is there a hook I can use  > in the CLI or something?)  > @ > Thank you for taking the time to consider my problem.  --ScottG There was some freeware called PHOTO in the supervisor series software, F however it was VAX only - I don't know if an alpha port was ever done. Phil   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:07:56 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) + Subject: Re: Audit Trail of Interactive DCL 1 Message-ID: <MkvJc.5889$Ya3.369@news.cpqcorp.net>   > In article <926edf3b.0407141758.643c0457@posting.google.com>, ! lsk55@hotmail.com (Scott) writes:  ..G >So does anyone have any ideas about how I can track just what is typed F >in at the DCL prompt in interactive mode?  (Is there a hook I can use >in the CLI or something?)  F I don't know the exact problem you are trying to solve, but you may be0 able to craft a sloution using $SET HOST 0 /LOG.   --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Jul 2004 05:03:13 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com  Subject: Re: Blogging on VMS+ Message-ID: <cd536h04ah@enews4.newsguy.com>   I Has anyone gotten "Manage Media" to work?  I'm able to upload images, but ; when I try to access the image, there are several problems.   J Going to the "Manage Media" page, when I highlight one of the filenames, I see:9 https://myhost.com/htdir/pivot/pivot/images/ascending.jpg   instead of the URL I should see:3 https://myhost.com/htdir/pivot/images/ascending.jpg   = When I click on the filename, it tries to open a window with: Q https://includes/photo.php?img=images%2Fascending.jpg&w=390&h=489&t=ascending.jpg 4 and I get the obvious can't connect to server error.  G Other than this one little problem I *think* I have everything working, 1 though I've not tried to create additional blogs.    		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:12:28 +0100 & From: Nic Clews <spamthis@[127.0.0.1]>! Subject: Re: DS10 Fan Replacement ' Message-ID: <cd5eep$a3f$1@lore.csc.com>    Kevin Handy wrote:A > I have a DS10 (full height, not a DS10L) with a very noisy fan.  > ; > Where can I get a replacement (Part number, vendor, etc.)    [I like Bob's response]   I The part number will be on the fan itself, somewhere if it is genuine. I  H assume you were intending self maintenance, so strip the system down so  you can get the part number.  F I would try contacting Island (www.hpaq.net) because of what they do, G they could either supply you one, or tell you where you could get one.  F They probably have available a parts breakdown so they could tell you  the part number.  I Noisy fans are potentially on their way to seizing, so you probably have  F some time yet, but overheating will shorten the life of anything even # before thermal cutouts take effect.    --  E Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. Car Park Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:33:10 -0400 2 From: "Jonathan Boswell" <jsb.NOSP@M.cdrh.fda.gov>W Subject: Re: Hello, I want to complain-- [You want to complain!] (Was:  Accuweather...) 4 Message-ID: <XsxJc.637$Ny6.1663@mencken.net.nih.gov>  K Thanks Mark!  For those who want a quick way of grabbing this file, just do  a   6 $ copy/ftp/binary mvb.saic.com::[.extra]mplayer.exe []  G followed by a $ run mplayer.  For me, this yields a "file not found: on J sys$library:mmov.exe.  I have no such file anywhere on disk!  Got any idea. what I'm missing?  The mmov$server is running.  = "Mark Berryman" <mark.berryman@mvb.saic.com> wrote in message  news:40f4fd75@cpns1.saic.com... I > As long as you realize that this is an executable only, without the man  pageK > (or help equivalent) and, while it works on everthing I've tried it with,  itK > is still a work in progress.  Whenever the image is invoked several "file  not K > found" messages will be displayed which can be ignored.  Documentation on  how C > to use this program can be found at the MPlayer web site which is  > http://www.mplayerhq.hu  > J > This version of the image was linked on a VMS V7.3-2 system and requires MMOV > and Open3D (runtime).  >  > You can find it at: 0 > http://mvb.saic.com/freeware/extra/mplayer.exe > >  > Mark Berryman    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2004 03:51:33 -0700/ From: johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com (John Reinhardt) 6 Subject: Re: HP Itanium servers at CDW, OpenVMS listed= Message-ID: <5d708ac7.0407150251.3fcd2a41@posting.google.com>   n "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> wrote in message news:<MgzIc.35979$eH1.17037115@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>...A > "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message ' > news:40EF58F0.C1135147@comcast.net...  > > Rich Jordan wrote: > > > F > > > Sort of a minor OpenVMS sighting.  I just received a CDW catalogG > > > featuring HP products.  On page 9, four itanium based servers are K > > > listed.  The descriptions for the rx1600-2 and rx2600-2 list "OpenVMS G > > > V8.1 Evaluation Release and OpenVMS V8.2", and the rx4640-8 lists @ > > > "OpenVMS".  The rx5670 only lists HPUX, wintel, and Linux. > > > + > > > Unfortunately no prices are listed...  > > 1 > > WoW!!!! You can't BUY that kind of publicity!  > >  > K > Sure you can, lots (maybe most) of the space in computer catalogs is paid  > for by the vendor.  ? There is an rx2600 listed on E-Bay.  Starting price is 1899.00   Auction #5709519719 Z http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5709519719&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT*   Still a little out of my price range....   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2004 07:30:14 -0700" From: cstranslations@msn.com (Joe) Subject: Is a file open = Message-ID: <d56d1c2d.0407150630.24c5e883@posting.google.com>   
 OpenVMS 7.3-2   D Is there some safe/easy way to determine if a file is open (by RMS)?> There's a bit more need for the "safe" part. I could build the@ appropiate resouce name then try for an exclusive access lock atD exective mode but other than me there isn't anyone here that's goingF to be able to support that. Spawning a subprocess isn't feasible (thisE is going to be happening from a detached process so the command table C won't be there) and that that has the feel of being a really clunky  solution anyway.   Any other possibilities?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:52:38 -0600  From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net>  Subject: Re: Is a file open 0 Message-ID: <5dKdnYllHbVqOWvdRVn-uQ@onewest.net>  
 Joe wrote: > OpenVMS 7.3-2  > F > Is there some safe/easy way to determine if a file is open (by RMS)?@ > There's a bit more need for the "safe" part. I could build theB > appropiate resouce name then try for an exclusive access lock atF > exective mode but other than me there isn't anyone here that's goingH > to be able to support that. Spawning a subprocess isn't feasible (thisG > is going to be happening from a detached process so the command table E > won't be there) and that that has the feel of being a really clunky  > solution anyway. >  > Any other possibilities?  C 'show/device/file' can list open files, so there should be a way of < discovering this. Sorry, I don't know how it gets it's info.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:42:57 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: Is a file open Q Message-ID: <OF5FB455C2.D834B788-ON85256ED2.005BC581-85256ED2.005BFC6A@metso.com>   : Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net> wrote on 07/15/2004 11:52:38 AM:   > Joe wrote: > > OpenVMS 7.3-2  > > H > > Is there some safe/easy way to determine if a file is open (by RMS)?B > > There's a bit more need for the "safe" part. I could build theD > > appropiate resouce name then try for an exclusive access lock atH > > exective mode but other than me there isn't anyone here that's goingJ > > to be able to support that. Spawning a subprocess isn't feasible (thisI > > is going to be happening from a detached process so the command table G > > won't be there) and that that has the feel of being a really clunky  > > solution anyway. > >  > > Any other possibilities? > E > 'show/device/file' can list open files, so there should be a way of > > discovering this. Sorry, I don't know how it gets it's info.F That is system-specific.  If this is a cluster, do you need to know if$ the file is open on all/other nodes?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:39:19 -0400 = From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@nfw-invalid.cibtrikker.com>  Subject: Re: Is a file open 1 Message-ID: <5PWdnYyxfqWqLmvdRVn-tw@adelphia.com>   / "Joe" <cstranslations@msn.com> wrote in message 7 news:d56d1c2d.0407150630.24c5e883@posting.google.com...  > OpenVMS 7.3-2  > F > Is there some safe/easy way to determine if a file is open (by RMS)?@ > There's a bit more need for the "safe" part. I could build theB > appropiate resouce name then try for an exclusive access lock atF > exective mode but other than me there isn't anyone here that's goingH > to be able to support that. Spawning a subprocess isn't feasible (thisG > is going to be happening from a detached process so the command table E > won't be there) and that that has the feel of being a really clunky  > solution anyway. >  > Any other possibilities?  * I haven't tried it, but give this a whirl:  L If you can use $PARSE and $SEARCH, you can get the device name specification through F the NAM (use the nam$l_dev and nam$b_dev fields to determine where the string is in7 the RSA -- and be sure that you code in a NAM and RSA).   C The NAM will also contain the FID of the file, nam$w_fid (I think).   L Using this information, assign a channel to the [disk] device, code up a FIB with theF file ID, and create an item-list-2 descriptor for a stat block.  Do an IO$_ACCESS (without  the IO$M_ACCESS bit).   J In the stat block, there is an accessor count.  This includes BOTH RMS and non-RMS 
 accessors.  L Like I said, I have not tried this, so there are no guarantees.  If you have the nerve toL peek into the FCB, code up the QIO with IO$M_ACCESS and perform the function and I the FCB address will be returned (if you don't do an IO$M_ACCESS, then if  you are the H only accessor even without $M_ACCESS, when the QIO completes that FCB is going toK be invalidated, so be careful).  The SHOW DEVICE/FILES uses the FCB list in  order to produce its output.   J This information is in the I/O Users Guide, the stat block is specifically at: C http://h71000.www7.hp.com/DOC/732FINAL/aa-pv6sf-tk/aa-pv6sf-tk.HTMl    -John    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:14:57 -0400 ( From: "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail.com> Subject: Re: Is a file open * Message-ID: <40f6be2e@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  ) Just open with explusive access (SHR=NIL)  If that fails... it was open, K If it succeeds, then it is now yours and noone else in the cluster can open  it.   , What problem are you really trying to solve?   Hein.     / "Joe" <cstranslations@msn.com> wrote in message 7 news:d56d1c2d.0407150630.24c5e883@posting.google.com...  > OpenVMS 7.3-2  > F > Is there some safe/easy way to determine if a file is open (by RMS)?@ > There's a bit more need for the "safe" part. I could build theB > appropiate resouce name then try for an exclusive access lock atF > exective mode but other than me there isn't anyone here that's goingH > to be able to support that. Spawning a subprocess isn't feasible (thisG > is going to be happening from a detached process so the command table E > won't be there) and that that has the feel of being a really clunky  > solution anyway. >  > Any other possibilities?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:28:59 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>) Subject: Re: Mailing list as email/digest * Message-ID: <2lmq20Fe66ldU1@uni-berlin.de>   Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote: > Paul Sture wrote:  > D >> I'll add that I find the digest format much easier to use. It is @ >> normally sent twice a day at approximately 8 am and 8 pm CET. >  > I > My only gripe about digest users is that if/when they reply to a post,  J > it can be easily 12 hours old and they are posting in a stream that was I > either long ago resolved, better detailed by more information by later  J > posts since the digest was transmitted, or changed direction entirely - K > so for those that are reading and perhaps responding to messages in real  I > time, you see messages that are reminiscent of satellite delay because   > they are so stale... >   I That does happen of course, but personally I'd rather not be interrupted  H by a constant stream of individual emails arriving. The digest not only I offers a way of only looking when I want to, just as a direct newsreader  F does, but also means I can search for a topic I am interested in (not " all news servers allow searching).  C The time zones come into play here of course. The 8am/8pm (for me)  I digests mean I can be reading posts from the US before people there wake  J up, catch late night posts from Europe, and over my morning coffee too :-)   Just my 2 cents.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:31:22 +0300 4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com>) Subject: Re: Mailing list as email/digest % Message-ID: <40F6953A.DC75169@hp.com>    Keith Cayemberg wrote: >  > Nigel Barker wrote: T > > On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:13:36 -0700, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote: > >  > >  > >>Michael Clark wrote: > >> > >> > . . .  > . . . S > > I think that you mean change it to an '@' sign. I forget what the official word M > > is in English but in French it is an escargot (snail) which is cute:-) An  > > ampersand is '&'.  > >  > > -- > > Nigel Barker# > > Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur  > B > In German we call it an "Affenklammer" meaning literally "MonkeyJ > bracket".  Also cute if you visualize a monkey with a long arm extending > past it's feet.  > 	 > Cheers!  >  > Keith Cayemberg   F And in Hebrew its called a "strudel" (as in baked goods) - If you look1 at the cross-section of a strudel you'll see why.    Mike --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:28:49 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 7 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Marketing: Variations on "stealth" , Message-ID: <40F6B0BF.9C4A39E2@teksavvy.com>   David J Dachtera wrote:  > J > With OpenVMS getting exposure in the trade rags (or at least the on-lineG > versions there of), perhaps the marketing folks at hp know more about F > stretching their advertising dollars than we give them credit for...  N Nop. It is probably Sue who found a loophole against the prohibition to marketM VMS and is able to get VMS mentioned without anything tracing it back to her.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:50:03 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 7 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Marketing: Variations on "stealth" , Message-ID: <40F6B5B7.82A7FED0@teksavvy.com>   Dirk Munk wrote:P > Just as a matter of interest. Are articles like these brought to the attention > HP management?  K Are you kidding ? If Sue were to make HP management aware of loopholes that K still allow VMS to be mentioned in the press, the management would not only H close those looholes, but also sue those publications for illegal use of trademarks :-) :-) :-) :-)   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:55:46 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk: Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?) Message-ID: <cd5rc2$mtr$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   p In article <ZIdJc.8615$z35.7573@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes: >Bob Ceculski wrote:h >> David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<40F49CCD.5CA7E6AA@comcast.net>... >>  I >>>Is anyone aware of a company prodiving a turn-key OpenVMS solution for J >>>e-mail, web services and/or both? I thought I followed a link on GoogleI >>>Groups to one once, but I didn't print anything out from that site and  >>>don't a URL to go back to.  >>> G >>>The time for such seems to be ripening, and if Itanic can repair its G >>>hull, pump out and put itself to rights, OVMS-I64 may be a practical H >>>alternative to the trendier UN*X options (which will, undoubtedly, beJ >>>available on the soon-to-be ubiquitous x86-64, unlike a certain o.s. we( >>>all know of - VMS snoozes, it loses). >>> 	 >>>D.J.D.  >>   >>   >> I'll do it! :)  >>  O >> PMDF with Sophos antivirus and Precisemail anti-spam for the VMS mail server . >> and TCPware/Purveyor for the web server ... > P >Bob,  I know you really like Purveyor and TCPWare, and it has worked very well Q >for a long time, but the fact is that if you have to "pay extra" for it, and it  Q >is not actively being developed and it may not be ported to Itanium (regardless  P >of whether you like that chip or not), then it doesn't make sense to use it in Q >this manner.  A turn-key solution also needs to be somewhat "industry standard"  P >(I hate using that term, but it does apply) so that most anyone can figure out R >how to configure it and support it.  TCPWARE will add a level of complexity when R >trying to install anything else, Oracle comes to mind, that would not make it my  >first choice. > J >Does Purveyor speak PERL, PHP, MySQL, Python, etc... not the last time I M >checked.  Using Apache on VMS I have been able to use several different PHP  R >"freeware" downloads with only minor changes - usually involving ODS-5/multi-dot  >filenames.  > P >The PMDF/Sophos looks good, (if you can get a Sophos dealer to actually return P >your call!!!)  Does PMDF have a calendaring feature built in like Exchange - i P >hate to use that as an example, but it is (unfortunately) currently the "gold" 
 >standard.  E No PMDF doesn't support calendering. Process have another product for O webmail, collaboration and calendering. Unfortunately it is only available for  ! Windows and Unix systems not VMS.    see   1 http://www.process.com/precisemail/webaccess.html    and   2 http://www.process.com/precisemail/webmailfaqs.htm    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   > M >VMS has come a step closer in being able to play in the LDAP/single-sign-on  P >arena which would be needed to make all of these tools play in the NT sand box. > O >I would seperate Web server functinality from mail functionality - especially  8 >for larger installations where email speed is critical. >  >--  >Michael Austin. >Consultant - Available.A >Donations welcomed. Http://www.firstdbasource.com/donations.html  >:)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:47:25 -0400 < From: "CarlC Internet Services" <cc@nospamming-to-carlc.com>: Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?/ Message-ID: <4OwJc.8$IJ5.10975@news.uswest.net>   ? "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:40F49CCD.5CA7E6AA@comcast.net... H > Is anyone aware of a company prodiving a turn-key OpenVMS solution forI > e-mail, web services and/or both? I thought I followed a link on Google H > Groups to one once, but I didn't print anything out from that site and > don't a URL to go back to.  @ I use OpenVMS for webservices (using OSU and TCPIP) for the lastK 5 years... Got to love the 560 day uptime :) ... Lets see Windoz do that...    http://www.carlc.com/   E I could setup the email of TCPIP to do the POP3 and etc, I do use the - outbound SMTP parts for reports and such.....   G I could "mirror" the main system, and turn it into a turn-key solution,  completeH with DNS.... Just don't see how many people are going to beat a path forH that... AND, I need to convert to Apache down the road here now that itsK stable (I hate to leave OSU webserver, it's been 100% reliable, even serves 3 our autocrossing movies at http://autox.carlc.com).    Carl   ==================== http://www.carlc.com/   =       "Price, Performance, Quality. Choose any two you like."    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:27:24 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> : Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?, Message-ID: <40F6B06A.5CB1B96D@teksavvy.com>   David J Dachtera wrote:  > H > Is anyone aware of a company prodiving a turn-key OpenVMS solution for$ > e-mail, web services and/or both?   F > The time for such seems to be ripening, and if Itanic can repair itsF > hull, pump out and put itself to rights, OVMS-I64 may be a practical    N Forgetting discussions about IA64's future or lack thereof, the more importantN question is whether the TCPIP services on VMS will ever catch up with industry (aka: Unix).  K If HP is unwilling to put sufficient resources to complete the revamping of H UCX into "TCPIP Services" and move that product into an industry leadingM posistion, then it should abandon that product and simply bundle Multinet and ! PMDF with every VMS installation.   H Having said this, the answer to your question probably lies with ProcessK Software who are more likely to know who can do such a turnkey install of a + VMS box with good TCPIP stack and services.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:36:32 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> : Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?, Message-ID: <40F6B28D.27779057@teksavvy.com>   Michael Austin wrote: P > your call!!!)  Does PMDF have a calendaring feature built in like Exchange - iP > hate to use that as an example, but it is (unfortunately) currently the "gold" > standard.   N How common is "calendaring" outside of office environments ? If the e-mail andE web server solution is to be targetted at the internet (as opposed to C intranet), does it really matter that it doesn't have calendaring ?   D (BTW, ALL-IN-1 has calendaring, but it isn't compatible with MS' :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:41:07 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> : Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?, Message-ID: <Br2dnQSTWucxLmvdRVn-vw@igs.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Michael Austin wrote: D >> your call!!!)  Does PMDF have a calendaring feature built in like9 >> Exchange - i hate to use that as an example, but it is 1 >> (unfortunately) currently the "gold" standard.  > E > How common is "calendaring" outside of office environments ? If the G > e-mail and web server solution is to be targetted at the internet (as B > opposed to intranet), does it really matter that it doesn't have > calendaring ?  > F > (BTW, ALL-IN-1 has calendaring, but it isn't compatible with MS' :-)  L Time to write a 'wedge' to connect the two.....I wonder if there is some XML calendaring standard....   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.389 ************************