1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 16 Jul 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 391       Contents: AS4000 not booting from KGPSA ! Re: AS4000 not booting from KGPSA ! Re: AS4000 not booting from KGPSA  Re: Getting stuck  Re: HSZ40 disks unavailable  Re: Is a file open Re: Is a file open Re: Is a file open Re: Is a file open Re: Is a file open3 Is it possible to route or tunnel the SCS protocol? 7 Re: Is it possible to route or tunnel the SCS protocol? 7 Re: Is it possible to route or tunnel the SCS protocol? 7 Re: Is it possible to route or tunnel the SCS protocol? 7 Re: Is it possible to route or tunnel the SCS protocol? 7 Re: Is it possible to route or tunnel the SCS protocol? 7 Re: Is it possible to route or tunnel the SCS protocol? 7 Re: Is it possible to route or tunnel the SCS protocol?   Re: Mailing list as email/digest Re: Need Help with SNMP  Re: Need Help with SNMP 3 Node A dismounting its system disk from other nodes 7 RE: Node A dismounting its system disk from other nodes 7 Re: Node A dismounting its system disk from other nodes 7 Re: Node A dismounting its system disk from other nodes 7 Re: Node A dismounting its system disk from other nodes . Re: OpenVMS Marketing: Variations on "stealth". Re: OpenVMS Marketing: Variations on "stealth". Re: OpenVMS Marketing: Variations on "stealth". Re: OpenVMS Marketing: Variations on "stealth"* Re: Some question in BASEstar application?1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? 1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? 1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? 1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? 1 RE: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? 1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? 1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? 1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? % Re: Useful 'phpbb' installation guide % Re: Useful 'phpbb' installation guide ) Re: VAX Users See the Writing on the Wall ) Re: VAX Users See the Writing on the Wall ) Re: VAX Users See the Writing on the Wall   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:54:42 GMT * From: "Frank Sapienza" <justme@nospam.com>& Subject: AS4000 not booting from KGPSA< Message-ID: <S_RJc.5633$Iz2.1706548@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>  B I have an AlphaServer 4000 system with recently installed KGPSA-CXF controllers.  All the firmware, SRM, etcetera has been upgraded to the? latest and greatest.  I used WWIDMGR to map a device to a udid.   L I can't get the AS4000 to boot from the fibre-connected drive.  I can't findH anything online which says it's not supported, but I'm starting to think; that's the case.  Does anyone have any information on this?   K I also cannot set the BOOTDEF_DEV environment variable to DGA3106.  It just  seems to clear itself out.  ! Thanks in advance for any advice.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 15:29:53 GMT / From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) * Subject: Re: AS4000 not booting from KGPSA- Message-ID: <t6dhr3BqeWju@cuebid.zko.dec.com>   , "Frank Sapienza" <justme@nospam.com> writes:D > I have an AlphaServer 4000 system with recently installed KGPSA-CXH > controllers.  All the firmware, SRM, etcetera has been upgraded to theA > latest and greatest.  I used WWIDMGR to map a device to a udid.  > N > I can't get the AS4000 to boot from the fibre-connected drive.  I can't findJ > anything online which says it's not supported, but I'm starting to think= > that's the case.  Does anyone have any information on this?   L In general, booting an Alphaserver 4X00 system from a fibre channel-attachedF device is definitely supported.  I'm not sure if the KGPSA-CX has been# qualified on that platform, though.   J What does "get the AS4000 to boot" mean?  What is the EXACT error message?  C Did you remember to INIT after having SET MODE DIAG in order to use  wwidmgr?   --    M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:37:57 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> * Subject: Re: AS4000 not booting from KGPSA< Message-ID: <FvTJc.15645$mo.1326@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com>   Rob Brooks wrote:   . > "Frank Sapienza" <justme@nospam.com> writes: > D >>I have an AlphaServer 4000 system with recently installed KGPSA-CXH >>controllers.  All the firmware, SRM, etcetera has been upgraded to theA >>latest and greatest.  I used WWIDMGR to map a device to a udid.  >>N >>I can't get the AS4000 to boot from the fibre-connected drive.  I can't findJ >>anything online which says it's not supported, but I'm starting to think= >>that's the case.  Does anyone have any information on this?  >  > N > In general, booting an Alphaserver 4X00 system from a fibre channel-attachedH > device is definitely supported.  I'm not sure if the KGPSA-CX has been% > qualified on that platform, though.  > L > What does "get the AS4000 to boot" mean?  What is the EXACT error message? > E > Did you remember to INIT after having SET MODE DIAG in order to use 
 > wwidmgr? >   N first: make sure you have done the proper configuration on the SAN switch and N the storage controller so that the wwid for the KGPSA is enabled and if using N selective presentation, then the connection is visible to the device.  If you N don't understand this, then call your local support or hire a consultant that  does :)    the:  >>> set auto_action halt 	  >>> init  ... !  >>> wwidmgr -quickset -udid 3106 	  >>> init  ... $  >>> set bootdef_dev dg*3106.*.*.*.*@ 	!! if you have multiple KGPSA's which you should if you don't!!!  >>> set dump_dev dg*3106.*.*.*.*   >>> set boot_flags  [root],0 ; 	!!! where [root] is 0 if it the only cluster member etc...   >>> set auto_action restart  >>> b   --   Michael Austin.  Consultant - Available. @ Donations welcomed. Http://www.firstdbasource.com/donations.html :)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:18:17 -0400 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> Subject: Re: Getting stuck1 Message-ID: <k3UJc.358$KF.1933@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>    > I just got stuck (probablyH > forever) at 7.3-1.  7.3-2 requires DECwindows 1.3, and my app requires > DECwindows 1.2-5 or earlier.  I I would suggest trying your app on DECW 1.3, unless the software provider ; actually says it DOES NOT work and give your proof of that.   K VMS has always been the top OS for supporting older functionality. I see no J reasons why your app would not run on an earlier version of DECwindows, or OpenVMS, for that matter.   J DECW 1.3 will not run on earlier versions of VMS because some new featuresJ in it use, in turn, new features introduced in OpenVMS 7.3-2. But the same is not true for your app.    Regards, --   Syltrem    OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address--- C "Keith A. Lewis" <lewis@PROBE.mitre.org> a crit dans le message de ( news:cd1c5i$cej$1@newslocal.mitre.org...I > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes in article I <BkiYvG9R0K9B@eisner.encompasserve.org> dated 13 Jul 2004 12:16:13 -0500: @ > >In article <cc5619f2.0407130733.70356edd@posting.google.com>,( jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) writes:J > >> I'm hoping someone out there has had to do this recently and has someK > >> insight.  I'm thinking of converting the data disk to ODS-5 and adding C > >> a command to the user and maintenance logins to set parsing to H > >> traditional style.  That should minimize impact to existing apps, I > >> think.  > L > Conversion is easy.  The only gotchas come if you have a program comparingJ > filenames or pieces of filenames in case-sensitive ways.  As others have# > said, keep a backup just in case.  > J > >   I've had no problems since switching all my user data disks to ODS-5J > >   and updating my VAXen to 7.3.  Prior to 7.3 VAXen couldn't deal withH > >   ODS-5 disks at all, since then they can mount the disk and see theI > >   files in some fashion.  I'm stuck on 7.2-1 so I can't do the system  > >   disk yet.  > L > I've been reading the getting stuck stories here on comp.os.vms for years,H > but I never thought it would happen to me.  I just got stuck (probablyH > forever) at 7.3-1.  7.3-2 requires DECwindows 1.3, and my app requires > DECwindows 1.2-5 or earlier. > J > For one reason or other, almost all of the products we've been upgradingG > have been shut down.  This year the only ones still on "the list" are  TCPIP,5 > Java, and Mozilla (not actually used with the app).  > 2 > --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org@ > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2004 08:43:39 -0700' From: steve.esson@esa.int (hieronymous) $ Subject: Re: HSZ40 disks unavailable= Message-ID: <fe9697fd.0407160743.411dde38@posting.google.com>   D Yes this was the problem.  They were made unavailable because of theF cache battery failure.  Such a scary primitive interface. Difficult toC find your way around without the docs.  For future reference:  each > unit has to have the errors cleared manually using the command# "CLEAR_ERROR LOST_DATA <unit-name>"    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2004 23:06:59 -0700( From: davef@tsoft-inc.com (David Froble) Subject: Re: Is a file open = Message-ID: <95695b7c.0407152206.235dfd76@posting.google.com>   g cstranslations@msn.com (Joe) wrote in message news:<d56d1c2d.0407150630.24c5e883@posting.google.com>...  > OpenVMS 7.3-2  > F > Is there some safe/easy way to determine if a file is open (by RMS)?@ > There's a bit more need for the "safe" part. I could build theB > appropiate resouce name then try for an exclusive access lock atF > exective mode but other than me there isn't anyone here that's goingH > to be able to support that. Spawning a subprocess isn't feasible (thisG > is going to be happening from a detached process so the command table E > won't be there) and that that has the feel of being a really clunky  > solution anyway. >  > Any other possibilities?  A You're not saying why you want to check for an open file, so some ( solutions may not fit your requirements.  C As far as I know, any file opened by RMS will generate a file level E lock.  It has to, otherwise another open trying for exclusive access, D including NO READ by others wouldn't be possible.  So, you should beE able to scan the lock table, and if you do not find the resource name D (that's another topic, and VAX and Alpha seem to be different, don't? know how that works in VAX/Alpha clusters) then the file can be F considered not open AT THAT TIME.  There's the possible problem.  Your> check will not be valid for a time span, just a point in time.  E For an example (not comprehensive) of scanning the lock table for RMS 4 locks, look at RMSLocks on the latest freeware disk.  $ The post by Hein seems the simplest.   Dave     --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:43:57 +0100 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>  Subject: Re: Is a file open * Message-ID: <2lpmd6FfahndU1@uni-berlin.de>   David Froble wrote: i > cstranslations@msn.com (Joe) wrote in message news:<d56d1c2d.0407150630.24c5e883@posting.google.com>...  >  >>OpenVMS 7.3-2  >>F >>Is there some safe/easy way to determine if a file is open (by RMS)?@ >>There's a bit more need for the "safe" part. I could build theB >>appropiate resouce name then try for an exclusive access lock atF >>exective mode but other than me there isn't anyone here that's goingH >>to be able to support that. Spawning a subprocess isn't feasible (thisG >>is going to be happening from a detached process so the command table E >>won't be there) and that that has the feel of being a really clunky  >>solution anyway. >> >>Any other possibilities? >  > C > You're not saying why you want to check for an open file, so some * > solutions may not fit your requirements. >  > [...snip...] > & > The post by Hein seems the simplest.  E This one crops up every so often, and Hein gives the same answer time  and time again.   B Not only is Hein's suggestion the simplest, but it's also the only: (clean) solution which does not introduce race conditions.  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:58:07 +0200 * From: "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> Subject: Re: Is a file open , Message-ID: <cd8qe7$u8f$1@news.cybercity.dk>  5 "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message & news:cd7vrn$4b3$1@news.cybercity.dk...K > It is much easier to use the ACP QIO interface to assign a channel to the I > file.  Then you use a QIO to get the file statistics block.  That block  > holds a pointer to the FCB.   H One comment further.  I think you can get a pointer to the lock from theI FCB.  I would advise you not to try to construct the resource name of the J lock yourself, at least not without checking the source code of VMS or theK book on the file systems internals.  The rules are rather complicated.  The G File Id may take up 4 or 6 bytes, and you have to be careful to get the L right volume id.  It is not changed if the volume id is set, and you have toK make sure it works correctly together with shadowing and disk striping.  It I seem more safe to copy it from the data structures referred from the FCB.   K But why don't you simply open the file?  If you need to do something to the J file, then you might lock it for you own purposes from the start.  That isL the only way you can guaranty that nobody opens it between you check whether< or not it is open and you use that now outdated information.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2004 10:09:08 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Is a file open 3 Message-ID: <7rJoiM6X6rqM@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <40F761F3.46EF02E3@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Bob Koehler wrote:E >>    The locks used by RMS and XQP are undocumented and not obvious. G >>    There are books which discuss them, but the easiest way is simply 6 >>    try to do an exclusive open and see if it fails. > M > If using SYS$ (RMS) calls, then yes since you can check the error status to P > see if the file open failed due to file being locked or if file was not found. > O > But if using the C RTL such as fopen or open, it isn't so obvious since those * > return a vanilla "0" if the open failed.  B    They generally also set errno and vaxc$errno to usefull values.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:11:38 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Is a file open , Message-ID: <40F7FE37.7FBB2890@teksavvy.com>   A different twist to the story:   K If you are concerned about another process accessing a file, why not simply H get the other process to take a know lock resource, and then, instead ofN checking whether a file is open or not, just check to see if the lock has been taken by the other process.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:28:24 GMT ( From: "Ralf van Diesen" <Ralf@nospam.nl>< Subject: Is it possible to route or tunnel the SCS protocol?1 Message-ID: <c5OJc.2823$%4.70115@typhoon.bart.nl>   L I am trying to figure out if it's possible to tunnel the SCS protocol, since; SCS can not be routed I must look for a different solution. + Is there anybody who can help me with this?  --  
 Kind regards,    Ralf van Diesen   $ ------------------------------------ Emulators International    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:54:22 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>@ Subject: Re: Is it possible to route or tunnel the SCS protocol?. Message-ID: <40F789AE.16130.8603A3C@localhost>  / On 16 Jul 2004 at 10:28, Ralf van Diesen wrote: N > I am trying to figure out if it's possible to tunnel the SCS protocol, since= > SCS can not be routed I must look for a different solution.   D I've thought about this for a while.  It should be possible.  You'd B have to use a computer that wasn't in the cluster, set promiscous C mode, and capture the messages.  On the other side, you'd transmit   them.   @ There are high-end routers that can "bridge" across a wide-area  network (WAN).  B The big issue is performance -- if there's too much delay, you'll B have to adjust the clustering SYSGEN parameters.  And, of course, 9 this is completely unsupported by HP OpenVMS Engineering.   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2004 10:12:05 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) @ Subject: Re: Is it possible to route or tunnel the SCS protocol?3 Message-ID: <7NDFfiH0vBaI@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <c5OJc.2823$%4.70115@typhoon.bart.nl>, "Ralf van Diesen" <Ralf@nospam.nl> writes:G > I am trying to figure out if it's possible to tunnel the SCS protocol       No.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 15:44:00 GMT A From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk> @ Subject: Re: Is it possible to route or tunnel the SCS protocol?< Message-ID: <4JSJc.928$fZ5.10376252@news-text.cableinet.net>  K If you want a reliable cluster - then no, you can't. SCS over ethernet type J networks is a layer 2 protocol that requires a high bandwidth, low latencyH (that's really important) datalink. Tunnelling etc. simply introduce too! much latency, so it doesn't work.   I If you're trying to drive SCS on Gigabit ethernet (or most other kinds of F ethernet) over a decent distance then use something like wave divisionJ multiplexing over "dark fibre", or some other means of sharing low latencyJ high bandwidth connections. Don't forget to use dedicated adapters for SCS in the cluster members.    Cheap = no, works = yes.   --     Hope this helps, Colin. ) colin DOT butcher AT xdelta DOT co DOT uk L Systems Archaeologist - Investigation & troubleshooting of older systems and	 networks.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:42:54 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> @ Subject: Re: Is it possible to route or tunnel the SCS protocol?, Message-ID: <40F7F77D.5B8FD079@teksavvy.com>   "Stanley F. Quayle" wrote:  C > The big issue is performance -- if there's too much delay, you'll C > have to adjust the clustering SYSGEN parameters.  And, of course, ; > this is completely unsupported by HP OpenVMS Engineering.   G If an all mighty Microvax II is capable of participating in an ethernet G cluster, wouldn't modern routers be able to get SCS packets to a remote A destination faster than it takes the MVII to process the packet ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:14:03 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> @ Subject: Re: Is it possible to route or tunnel the SCS protocol?' Message-ID: <40F7FECB.2010605@MMaz.com>    JF Mezei wrote:    >"Stanley F. Quayle" wrote:  >    > C >>The big issue is performance -- if there's too much delay, you'll C >>have to adjust the clustering SYSGEN parameters.  And, of course, ; >>this is completely unsupported by HP OpenVMS Engineering.  >>     >> > H >If an all mighty Microvax II is capable of participating in an ethernetH >cluster, wouldn't modern routers be able to get SCS packets to a remoteB >destination faster than it takes the MVII to process the packet ? >    > G One would think, but IP latency is unpredictable in bad situations and  I variable in good situations.  Considering, however, that DEC would never  G support LAT in a WAN, yet we ran bridged networks over 56K FR circuits  B for years without any LAT problems (supporting both terminals and E printers off the DECservers), I suspect that bridging SCS traffic is  H possible (provided a fast enough and responsive enough circuit exists), G but if there are any problems like CLUEXITS, HP will be the last to be  G willing to talk to you just like they would have had no reason to talk  ' with us about our WAN/LAT deployment...   F If an open source SCS based IP tunnel did exist, something small that H could run on a pair of Linux boxes, I'd try to setup one on each end of H our VPN tunnels just to see what could be done, even if not supported...   Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:17:13 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> @ Subject: Re: Is it possible to route or tunnel the SCS protocol?, Message-ID: <40F7FF86.1E8D89FE@teksavvy.com>   Colin Butcher wrote:M > If you want a reliable cluster - then no, you can't. SCS over ethernet type L > networks is a layer 2 protocol that requires a high bandwidth, low latencyJ > (that's really important) datalink. Tunnelling etc. simply introduce too# > much latency, so it doesn't work.   J Is there much difference in latency between  early 1990s  ethernet bridgesH (with fibre between 2 bridges), and a 2004 era high performance router ?  J If bridging SCS and LAT with older slower bridges was acceptable, wouldn'tH today's networking hardware be able to perform tunneling with similar or better performance ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:46:59 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>@ Subject: Re: Is it possible to route or tunnel the SCS protocol?- Message-ID: <40F7CE43.3212.96C20D6@localhost>   ( On 16 Jul 2004 at 12:17, JF Mezei wrote:C > If bridging SCS and LAT with older slower bridges was acceptable, H > wouldn't today's networking hardware be able to perform tunneling with! > similar or better performance ?   F The problem is that they haven't been able to make the speed of light E any faster.  That was the source of the limit on clustering distance.   C And it depends on "acceptable", too -- having nodes randomly crash  9 because they've left the cluster might be okay for you...   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:29:34 +0100 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> ) Subject: Re: Mailing list as email/digest * Message-ID: <2lpp2mFfq1qeU1@uni-berlin.de>   Dave Weatherall wrote:  4 > On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:40:37 UTC, Keith Cayemberg # > <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> wrote:  >  > R >>>I think that you mean change it to an '@' sign. I forget what the official wordL >>>is in English but in French it is an escargot (snail) which is cute:-) An >>>ampersand is '&'. >>C >>In German we call it an "Affenklammer" meaning literally "Monkey  K >>bracket".  Also cute if you visualize a monkey with a long arm extending   >>past it's feet.  > ) > In Bavaria we call it 'klammeraffe' :-)   > Also in Baden-Wuerttemberg.  It's a north/south-German thingy.  ? Just reminds me that the "clover" key on Macintoshes was dubbed . "Blumenkohl" (cauliflower) by our secretaries.  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2004 06:45:04 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)  Subject: Re: Need Help with SNMP= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0407160545.12ce3a72@posting.google.com>   o Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> wrote in message news:<40f44eb5$0$430$7f8943f3@newsreader.visi.com>... 9 > I'm looking into using SNMP to monitor my VMS machines.  >  > VMS v7.3-1 & later > TCPIP 5.3 & later  > E > I've managed to start and config the master agent, and the monitor  H > system (OpenNMS) can see information from my machine. So far, so good. > D > Now.. One of my goals is to monitor given process to 1. See if it 0 > exists, and 2. What resources it is consuming. > ( > I want to write a subagent to do this. > 0 > But.. I have no experience writing sub-agents. > J > I've been doing a lot of reading of the manuals, and I'm hoping to find H > some simple examples on creating a simple sub-agent. Just some simple A > task that I can use to see how everything is done. From how to  C > write/build a sub-agent, to seeing what data it collects (via an  M > snmpwalk), to seeing that data collected/monitored by an Management System.  > H > Anybody got some examples they can send me? Or pointers to some? I've J > been looking on the freeware CDs, and in Sys$examples: (chess seems too ? > big for the beginner.) But I haven't run across anything yet.  > ' > No, this isn't a homework assignment.  >  > Thanks in advance, >  > Lyndon >    Lyndon   Try this  % http://www.comtekservices.com/vms.htm      Regards    FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:23:40 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)  Subject: Re: Need Help with SNMP; Message-ID: <40f80f1c.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   / Lyndon Bartels (lbartels@pressenter.com) wrote: 9 > I'm looking into using SNMP to monitor my VMS machines.  ... ( > I want to write a subagent to do this. > 0 > But.. I have no experience writing sub-agents.  > It shouldn't be too hard. Of course it depends on your overall programming experience.   2 > I've been doing a lot of reading of the manuals,   The right ones, I hope ;-)  8 You want the "TCP/IP Services eSNMP Programming" manual.   > and I'm hoping to find  H > some simple examples on creating a simple sub-agent. Just some simple A > task that I can use to see how everything is done. From how to  C > write/build a sub-agent, to seeing what data it collects (via an  M > snmpwalk), to seeing that data collected/monitored by an Management System.  > H > Anybody got some examples they can send me? Or pointers to some? I've J > been looking on the freeware CDs, and in Sys$examples: (chess seems too ? > big for the beginner.) But I haven't run across anything yet.   I The chess example is used in the chapter about "creating a subagent using H the eSNMP API" of the Programming Guide, so you can use it to follow theE necessary steps. It all really starts off with the CHESS_MIB.MY file. B Most of the other files are (at least in part) generated or tools.   cu,    Martin --  C                              | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules! 6   Microsoft isn't the Borg:  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deI   the Borg have proper       |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ =   networking.                | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 03:07:43 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> < Subject: Node A dismounting its system disk from other nodes+ Message-ID: <40F77EB6.996BA79@teksavvy.com>   G At boot time, node A gets its system disk mounted automatically, but in L systartup_VMS, it does a MOUNT/CLUSTER of this drive so that it gets mounted# on all others nodes in the cluster.   K What I would like to do is to dismount that drive from all other nodes when N node A performs an orderly shutdown. However, issuing a DISMOUNT/CLUSTER failsM because the drive is still in use by NODE A even if other nodes would be able  to dismount it.   L Is there a clean way to have NODE A issue a command which will result in all$ other nodes dismounting that drive ?   All I can think of is  $!
 $MC SYSMAN SET ENV/CLUSTER  DO DISMOUNT $2$DKA200  EXIT $!  K Would this work properly ? Is there a cleaner way of doing this (some magic ! switch in the DISMOUNT command ?)    ------------------------------  " Date: Fri, 16 Jul 04 11:06:33 +100 From: rok@nuk.uni-lj.si @ Subject: RE: Node A dismounting its system disk from other nodes& Message-ID: <40f7b6bc$1@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si>  * In Article <40F77EB6.996BA79@teksavvy.com>/ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: M >Is there a clean way to have NODE A issue a command which will result in all % >other nodes dismounting that drive ?  >  >All I can think of is >$!  >$MC SYSMAN  >SET ENV/CLUSTER >DO DISMOUNT $2$DKA200 >EXIT  >$!  > L >Would this work properly ? Is there a cleaner way of doing this (some magic" >switch in the DISMOUNT command ?)  
 $MC SYSMAN, SET ENV/NODE=(velo,chocolat,...) ! but not A  ?  I have never tried $ dismount/cluster/abort sys$sysdevice yet.    Regards,  D Rok Vidmar                       Internet:  rok.vidmar@nuk.uni-lj.si; National and University Library  Phone:     +386 1 421 5461 ; Turjaska 1, SI-1000 Ljubljana    Fax:       +386 1 421 5464  Slovenia   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:28:02 +0100 & From: Nic Clews <spamthis@[127.0.0.1]>@ Subject: Re: Node A dismounting its system disk from other nodes' Message-ID: <cd878j$8gn$1@lore.csc.com>    JF Mezei wrote: I > At boot time, node A gets its system disk mounted automatically, but in N > systartup_VMS, it does a MOUNT/CLUSTER of this drive so that it gets mounted% > on all others nodes in the cluster.  > M > What I would like to do is to dismount that drive from all other nodes when P > node A performs an orderly shutdown. However, issuing a DISMOUNT/CLUSTER failsO > because the drive is still in use by NODE A even if other nodes would be able  > to dismount it.  > N > Is there a clean way to have NODE A issue a command which will result in all& > other nodes dismounting that drive ? >  > All I can think of is  > $! > $MC SYSMAN > SET ENV/CLUSTER  > DO DISMOUNT $2$DKA200  > EXIT > $! > M > Would this work properly ? Is there a cleaner way of doing this (some magic # > switch in the DISMOUNT command ?)   ( I know exactly what you want to achieve.  H The dismount cluster fails because the attempt to dismount fails on the E node issuing the command, and the remaining nodes never get asked to   dismount it.  G And what I've just said there applies. This is VMS. You can ASK a node  I to dismount. So, yes using SYSMAN is one technique, of course you'd hope  I or expect that the node who's system disk it is (or page and swap or...)   will refuse to dismount.  I Clusters get messy, usually because the common files are not on a system  H disk, or in particular this system's system disk, and you end up in the  situation anyway.    --  E Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. Car Park Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:24:23 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>@ Subject: Re: Node A dismounting its system disk from other nodes. Message-ID: <40F79EC7.21165.8B2A2D2@localhost>  ' On 16 Jul 2004 at 3:07, JF Mezei wrote: B > What I would like to do is to dismount that drive from all otherD > nodes when node A performs an orderly shutdown. However, issuing aD > DISMOUNT/CLUSTER fails because the drive is still in use by NODE A3 > even if other nodes would be able to dismount it.   E It's documented that DISMOUNT/CLUSTER first checks to see if the disk  is in use locally.  B What if you do DISMOUNT/CLUSTER on another node?  Does it do every4 system, failing with node A?  Or stopping at node A?  B To do this from node A, you'll have to use SYSMAN, as you suggest.  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:40:20 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> @ Subject: Re: Node A dismounting its system disk from other nodes, Message-ID: <40F7F6E3.4405F787@teksavvy.com>   Nic Clews wrote:J > Clusters get messy, usually because the common files are not on a systemI > disk, or in particular this system's system disk, and you end up in the  > situation anyway.   K In my case, the system drive I am trying to dimount from other nodes is not J "used" by other nodes' VMS instances, it just contains some files and some  applications that might be used.  L So when I shutdown the owning node, it is far cleaner to just tell the otherJ nodes to dismount that drive cleanly, otherwise that drive goes into mountL verification on the other nodes once the owning node has shutdown, and afterI mount verification has timed out, the drive stays in "limbo" and when thelN owning node comes back up, the mount-verification-failed drive stays in limbo,C and a mount/cluster from the booting/owning node doesn't succeed intO re-mounting the drive on the other nodes since it thinks it is already mounted.b   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:31:24 -0400n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>o7 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Marketing: Variations on "stealth"o, Message-ID: <40F77635.1CD60C52@teksavvy.com>   Keith Parris wrote:eB > Actually, many of the people from the VMS organization have beenF > promoted upward significantly within HP, and are now looking out for+ > VMS in their current positions and roles,i  E Stallard hasn't been fired and he got promoted, so it cuts both ways.f  K You mention "many". Apart from Marcello, who else who was familiar with VMS  got notable promotions ?  N Also, it is my *impression* that Marcello was smart enough to stay quiet aboutK VMS once he got promoted above the VMS group since he knew that rocking therM boat would jeoperdize his job/position, especially during the HP merger whereM< musical chair games made every manager's position dangerous.  N Has Marcello actually succeeded in slowly changing attitudes without appearing3 to rock the boat, or is this the result of others ?y  J And finally, how would you respond to a statement that any advertising oneD sees now of VMS on IA64 is some legal requirement as a result of theI Compaq-Intel deal to port VMS to IA64 in exchange for whatever Intel gave,* Compaq for killing Alpha and porting VMS ?  K I am curious whether the mild mentions of VMS are just temporary "necessaryfM evils" HP must accomplish, or whether there are true changes that will result < in long term increases in visibility and advertising of VMS.  L I have seen too many short lived periods where our hopes are raised, only toH be dashed when we realise that it was just some short lived effort whichG appeared to just be enough to appease the naysayers and not designed to- actually market VMS seriously.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:25:58 -0400t# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 7 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Marketing: Variations on "stealth"a, Message-ID: <7pidnbVJ59AdeGrdRVn-hQ@igs.net>   JF Mezei wrote:' > Keith Parris wrote:tC >> Actually, many of the people from the VMS organization have been G >> promoted upward significantly within HP, and are now looking out fors, >> VMS in their current positions and roles, >cG > Stallard hasn't been fired and he got promoted, so it cuts both ways.m >oD > You mention "many". Apart from Marcello, who else who was familiar# > with VMS got notable promotions ?  > D > Also, it is my *impression* that Marcello was smart enough to stayC > quiet about VMS once he got promoted above the VMS group since he@? > knew that rocking the boat would jeoperdize his job/position,eF > especially during the HP merger where musical chair games made every > manager's position dangerous.e >RF > Has Marcello actually succeeded in slowly changing attitudes without? > appearing to rock the boat, or is this the result of others ?       < > And finally, how would you respond to a statement that anyF > advertising one sees now of VMS on IA64 is some legal requirement asG > a result of the Compaq-Intel deal to port VMS to IA64 in exchange for @ > whatever Intel gave Compaq for killing Alpha and porting VMS ? >eB > I am curious whether the mild mentions of VMS are just temporaryA > "necessary evils" HP must accomplish, or whether there are truemC > changes that will result in long term increases in visibility andt > advertising of VMS.      JF,t  K Keith is unlekely to know this or even have a whiff of this, that is unless J curly and carly invited Keith to sit in on the negotiations with Intel andE actually saw any document that was signed by both ChumHPaq and Intel.c  A Besides -- just because something is advertised doesn't mean it's1L truthful -- see the ads from Microsoft that mention 'security' and Microsoft Windows'  in the same ad. ;-)e    F > I have seen too many short lived periods where our hopes are raised,E > only to be dashed when we realise that it was just some short livedtF > effort which appeared to just be enough to appease the naysayers and0 > not designed to actually market VMS seriously.  $ Sort of like another Elvis sighting?   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:16:39 GMTh1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> 7 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Marketing: Variations on "stealth" ; Message-ID: <HbTJc.2764$kw4.757@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>s   JF Mezei wrote:s   > Keith Parris wrote:e > B >>Actually, many of the people from the VMS organization have beenF >>promoted upward significantly within HP, and are now looking out for+ >>VMS in their current positions and roles,d >  > G > Stallard hasn't been fired and he got promoted, so it cuts both ways.t > M > You mention "many". Apart from Marcello, who else who was familiar with VMSs > got notable promotions ? > P > Also, it is my *impression* that Marcello was smart enough to stay quiet aboutM > VMS once he got promoted above the VMS group since he knew that rocking the O > boat would jeoperdize his job/position, especially during the HP merger whered> > musical chair games made every manager's position dangerous. > P > Has Marcello actually succeeded in slowly changing attitudes without appearing5 > to rock the boat, or is this the result of others ?e > L > And finally, how would you respond to a statement that any advertising oneF > sees now of VMS on IA64 is some legal requirement as a result of theK > Compaq-Intel deal to port VMS to IA64 in exchange for whatever Intel gave-, > Compaq for killing Alpha and porting VMS ? > M > I am curious whether the mild mentions of VMS are just temporary "necessary O > evils" HP must accomplish, or whether there are true changes that will resulty> > in long term increases in visibility and advertising of VMS. > N > I have seen too many short lived periods where our hopes are raised, only toJ > be dashed when we realise that it was just some short lived effort whichI > appeared to just be enough to appease the naysayers and not designed toe  > actually market VMS seriously.  B who cares -- as long as they are doing it, it can't be bad news...   -- , Michael Austin.  Consultant - Available. @ Donations welcomed. Http://www.firstdbasource.com/donations.html :)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:01:21 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>M7 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Marketing: Variations on "stealth"m+ Message-ID: <40F809DF.269CBC0@teksavvy.com>z   Michael Austin wrote:dD > who cares -- as long as they are doing it, it can't be bad news...  J I have a friend in paliative care. Whenever her pain "breaks through", theI nurse gives her some more pain killer. This way, her last weeks have beenmH fairly "good" in terms of quality of life, but the underlying cancer has continued to eat her bones.o  K VMS is in a very similar situation, except the people here strongly believeuJ that its disease can be cured. However, current and previous owners of VMSL have only given VMS token amounts of drugs to keep it alive and shutting outM the pain (the complainers), instead of fixing the cancer that Palmer injectedd	 into VMS.m  J So far, under HP, I have seen nothing but paliative care of VMS with tokenI mentions whenever the "pain" was too loud (pain being the complain.os.vmsmC voices, and I believe it was Marcello that coined that expression).t  G And just as my friend exceeded all expectations and has survived months G instead of days since they stopped attempts to cure her cancer, VMS hasoL exceeded all expectations and survived over a decade despite all attempts at+ euthanasia (Palmer, Capellas and Stallard).'    N Yes, on the surface, those mentions of VMS are good and one cannot fault them.J However, the question remains if whether VMS is still in paliative care orN whether HP is on a solid plan to stop the cancer and rebuild VMS into a strongK and healthy product that is not only profitable for HP, but also allowed tolD compete in the "IT olympics" against all brands of Unix and Windows.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:27:32 GMT"1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>t3 Subject: Re: Some question in BASEstar application? < Message-ID: <UlTJc.2767$9B4.1329@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>   Jeong BG wrote:   F > we must running below command in our application, if our application+ > do not collect data from BASEstar device.o >   > $ BS DCM MOD DEV CP7C_PLC/DIS    	disable the basestar device    > $ WAIT 00:00:02                 > $ BS DCM MOD DEV CP7C_PLC/ENA    	enable the basestar device  	t  > $ WAIT 00:00:01                > ! > I don't understand why do that?o  P It appears that if something becomes "wedged" in the device, then disabling and J re-enabling it will correct the situation. the wait says, give it time to ' shutdown and restart before continuing.-   > & > please, explain why do that command. > $ > if that command has proper reason,6 > we will run that command at batch queue recursively.  M I am not sure you need to put it into batch, just execute it when necessary.  N You could be shutting it down in the middle of transferring data.  But as you 1 stated, it is run when the device is not working.i   -- p Michael Austin.h Consultant - Available. @ Donations welcomed. Http://www.firstdbasource.com/donations.html :)   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2004 01:01:43 -0700( From: davef@tsoft-inc.com (David Froble): Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?= Message-ID: <95695b7c.0407152218.375df08e@posting.google.com>h  = Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message    Q > download and install the .tar or .zip kit of OSCommerce, (uses MySQL) and tell nQ > me how long it takes you to make all of the corrections to getting it running. oS > You have 24 hours. Go!.  If you don't have it running in 24 hours, consider this e > subject closed.o > L > (took me less than an hour to have a basic configuration running - for an P > intranet project - so no, I can't show you.  If I have time this afternoon, I ' > may configure a demo for you to see.)  > P > For those of you who don't know, OSCommerce is a "retail" store, configure it O > with products, shopping cart, - including payment modules to many online and e0 > direct-connect credit-card processing vendors.  - I don't know.  Where is a download available?o   Dave   -- o4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  154864   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:20:54 GMT,! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>o: Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?8 Message-ID: <dd7ff0tddg0f723nn5br9u43dlr46ak7ce@4ax.com>  H On 16 Jul 2004 01:01:43 -0700, davef@tsoft-inc.com (David Froble) wrote:  > >Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message  >rR >> download and install the .tar or .zip kit of OSCommerce, (uses MySQL) and tell R >> me how long it takes you to make all of the corrections to getting it running. T >> You have 24 hours. Go!.  If you don't have it running in 24 hours, consider this  >> subject closed. >> dM >> (took me less than an hour to have a basic configuration running - for an cQ >> intranet project - so no, I can't show you.  If I have time this afternoon, I u( >> may configure a demo for you to see.) >> eQ >> For those of you who don't know, OSCommerce is a "retail" store, configure it >P >> with products, shopping cart, - including payment modules to many online and 1 >> direct-connect credit-card processing vendors.o >e. >I don't know.  Where is a download available?  & http://www.oscommerce.com obviously:-)   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2004 05:54:48 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski): Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0407160454.320796fd@posting.google.com>c  v Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message news:<RHAJc.15447$pf3.4440@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com>... > N > Bob, there is a big difference in being able to execute an "executable" and 4 > having integrated via modules into the web server. > M > Okay, since you seem to think that Purveyor can do anything Apache can do, iQ > download and install the .tar or .zip kit of OSCommerce, (uses MySQL) and tell eQ > me how long it takes you to make all of the corrections to getting it running. oS > You have 24 hours. Go!.  If you don't have it running in 24 hours, consider this e > subject closed.i > L > (took me less than an hour to have a basic configuration running - for an P > intranet project - so no, I can't show you.  If I have time this afternoon, I ' > may configure a demo for you to see.)  > P > For those of you who don't know, OSCommerce is a "retail" store, configure it O > with products, shopping cart, - including payment modules to many online and  0 > direct-connect credit-card processing vendors.  = with cgi anything is possible ... I'll bet you I can write itr* faster in dibol than you can set it up! :)   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2004 06:31:05 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski): Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0407160531.6c7312bc@posting.google.com>   v Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message news:<RHAJc.15447$pf3.4440@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com>... > M > Okay, since you seem to think that Purveyor can do anything Apache can do,    = I'll tell you one thing purveyor can do that apache could note; do for us is run for 5 years now without one single problemt9 or downtime ... combined with TCPware and OpenVMS it is a  bulletproof webserver ...o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 06:36:22 -0700h# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>o: Subject: RE: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIEEMFDIAA.tom@kednos.com>t   < -----Original Message-----1 < From: Bob Ceculski [mailto:bob@instantwhip.com]o% < Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 6:31 AM  < To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com < < Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? <  < ? < Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message  ; < news:<RHAJc.15447$pf3.4440@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com>...: < > @ < > Okay, since you seem to think that Purveyor can do anything  < Apache can do,   < ? < I'll tell you one thing purveyor can do that apache could nott= < do for us is run for 5 years now without one single problemi; < or downtime ... combined with TCPware and OpenVMS it is an < bulletproof webserver ...n   Have you tried WASD?   <  < ---o( < Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.< < Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A < Version: 6.0.717 / Virus Database: 473 - Release Date: 7/8/2004  <  ---R& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.717 / Virus Database: 473 - Release Date: 7/8/2004    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:13:06 GMTl1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>o: Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?< Message-ID: <m8TJc.2762$kw4.1668@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:-x > Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message news:<RHAJc.15447$pf3.4440@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com>... > M >>Okay, since you seem to think that Purveyor can do anything Apache can do, 6 >  > ? > I'll tell you one thing purveyor can do that apache could not = > do for us is run for 5 years now without one single problemS; > or downtime ... combined with TCPware and OpenVMS it is ai > bulletproof webserver ...o  O I have had a system that ran with apache for almost 2 years (before I left the rP firm) with out any problems.  what makes you think that apache in and of itself P has problems?  Nor did I have problems with TCPIP.  My home system only suffers O downtime whenthe power glitches (I suppose it is time to invest in a UPS), but tP other than that, I have registered as many as 100K hits/wk to the server - true N they were things like code red-type viruses, but the system still was able to  handle (and reject) them.u  Q Obviously you are not going to make the 24 hr deadline - even trying to write it S	 yourself.P  P Bob, [as Michael gets into his Asbestos suit],  it is the "it has worked for 10 O years now - we don't need to change it" attitude that has relegated VMS to the iN "legacy" status.  If you are not constantly improving not only the uptime and P availbibity but also the languages and programming techniques and applications, O you are dooming that system to be replaced.  Why do you think that we now have oJ Java(Tomcat), PHP, Perl, Apache, Python, MySQL and others being ported to Q OpenVMS.  If the programming techniques and standards are adhered to for a given 4K company, then that app that runs on Linux and Windows will also run on the .P OpenVMS box - virutally unchanged.  By "sticking to your guns" you are actually ) a part of the problem - not the solution.e  I One of the other things companies are "afraid" of is the talent pool for nM OpenVMS, let's face it, there are very few college kids who even know how to tN spell it, let alone how to use it.  With Apache and the other web tools being 8 somewhat standard, it is very easy to train them on VMS.  C I guess it must be true, some old dogs can't learn new tricks... :)a   --   Michael Austin.  Consultant - Available.i@ Donations welcomed. Http://www.firstdbasource.com/donations.html :)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:48:02 -0400s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>o: Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?, Message-ID: <40F806C1.E18280AA@teksavvy.com>   Michael Austin wrote:oO > "legacy" status.  If you are not constantly improving not only the uptime and-Q > availbibity but also the languages and programming techniques and applications,s- > you are dooming that system to be replaced.e  M Very good point. But at one point though, businesses must stop being "trendy"aK and must focus on what the computers are there for. They are applianaces tocE provide basic services to process information for your company's corenI operations. If you upgrade constantly, that none of your upgrades stay in E there long enough to actually pay back the cost of upgrading. That isrL something which companies lost sight of in the past decade, probably blinded6 by Microsoft's blinding advertising and peer pressure.  O > spell it, let alone how to use it.  With Apache and the other web tools being0: > somewhat standard, it is very easy to train them on VMS.  F On the surface, it makes *some* sense. However, taking web sites as anL example, I suspect that the actual web server software is totally unknown inI most shops.  Consider the number of companies who, instead of configuringlI their web server to either serve the right home page or use server issued>M redirects, decide to feed a vanilla home page that has no content, except for L huge bunch of javascript that forces a redirect to whatever page they should have served in the first place.   K To me, this is a huge indication that corporations do not have expertise inrI the "web server" and just hire windows weenies who know how to program inbJ javascript/frontpage (and who don't even know HTML properly). With this inI mind, whether you are using OSU or Apache doesn't make much difference ifk, you're never going to edit the config files.  E (of course, when you are on wintel with a gazillion wintel/web serverrJ instances, changing the web server config requires a lot of work since you" have a gazillion files to change).   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:39:05 +0200  From: jf.pieronne@laposte.nets: Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?2 Message-ID: <cd93ru$uk6$1@news-reader1.wanadoo.fr>   Michael Austin wrote:s   > JF Mezei wrote:a >  >> David J Dachtera wrote: >>J >>> Is anyone aware of a company prodiving a turn-key OpenVMS solution for& >>> e-mail, web services and/or both?  >> >> >>H >>> The time for such seems to be ripening, and if Itanic can repair itsH >>> hull, pump out and put itself to rights, OVMS-I64 may be a practical >> >> >> >>H >> Forgetting discussions about IA64's future or lack thereof, the more  >> importantI >> question is whether the TCPIP services on VMS will ever catch up with p >> industryy >> (aka: Unix).R >>B >> If HP is unwilling to put sufficient resources to complete the  >> revamping ofkK >> UCX into "TCPIP Services" and move that product into an industry leadingoD >> posistion, then it should abandon that product and simply bundle  >> Multinet andh$ >> PMDF with every VMS installation. >>K >> Having said this, the answer to your question probably lies with Process J >> Software who are more likely to know who can do such a turnkey install  >> of ae. >> VMS box with good TCPIP stack and services. >  > K > I have been on systems using Multinet and TCPIP5.3+ and quite frankly, I rG > found Multinet more difficult when deciphering particular parts of a rG > configuration. TCPIP comes bundled with VMS these days (at least the -K > last time I checked) and moving more towards **ix style commands, I find yG > it quite easy to manipulate with the TCPIP set... commands and tweak n/ > parameters using sysconfig and netstat etc...9 > J > On the Calendaring issue, if you are considering Exchange, then you ARE I > talking about Intranet.  Not Internet.  Yahmail is okay as an internet tJ > mail reader, but not very elegant - when was the last time you saw apps H > with "basic" or non-existant graphics and like it or not, people want  > pretty not just functional.a >   & Found webcalendar, from the home page:L WebCalendar is a PHP-based calendar application that can be configured as a J single-user calendar, a multi-user calendar for groups of users, or as an $ event calendar viewable by visitors.  # http://webcalendar.sourceforge.net/8  % Install and run out of the box on VMSg   I have build a demo system:t/ http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/calendar/index.php-  > use demo/demo as username/password (may be remove at any time)    F > I prefer just functional, but when you are dealing with the masses, F > unless it looks good and has all the bells and whistles and is also = > functional, you won't get a second chance to make the sale.b > > > Again, why is Process not porting their new offering to VMS? >    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2004 01:02:23 -0700. From: dieter.rossbach@gmx.de (dieter rossbach). Subject: Re: Useful 'phpbb' installation guide= Message-ID: <e1d40caf.0407152223.4fff6e97@posting.google.com>o  F Porting phpBB to VMS was mit really a problem, I did that a while ago, butiA I still have problems with MySQL currupting database tables. This F happens as soon as I add a new forum in phpBB. I have this problem forF month now, with MySQL 4.0.16 ,17, 18 and even with the new 4.1.3-beta.  A I run VMS 7.3-2 with the lastest patches installed, all disks are  ODS-5. Any ideas?-   Dieter   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:24:06 +0200r From: jf.pieronne@laposte.netN. Subject: Re: Useful 'phpbb' installation guide2 Message-ID: <cd86rq$nvd$1@news-reader4.wanadoo.fr>  H > Porting phpBB to VMS was mit really a problem, I did that a while ago, > butrC > I still have problems with MySQL currupting database tables. ThisnH > happens as soon as I add a new forum in phpBB. I have this problem forH > month now, with MySQL 4.0.16 ,17, 18 and even with the new 4.1.3-beta. > C > I run VMS 7.3-2 with the lastest patches installed, all disks aref > ODS-5. Any ideas?o >  > Dieter  C I have run phpbb successfully using the latest MySQL 4.1.3-beta kit   8 Check the procedure MYSQL_ROOT:[VMS.MYSQL]run_mysqld.com  2 The correct run command for MySQL is (may be wrap)  : $ mysqld  --default-storage-engine=InnoDB --old-passwords E --innodb_flush_log_at_trx_commit=2 --ansi --myisam-recover --log-bin lA --tmpdir=/mysql_root/mysql_server /tmp --lower_case_table_names=2o    I The --default-storage-engine=InnoDB mean that each table is create using pF InnoDB if you don't specify any engine int the create table statement.  H InnoDB engine work perfectly, and yes the MyISAM bug is still present...  L After stop and restart MySQL, you will have to drop your phpbb database and   redo the installation procedure.      
 Jean-Franoisi   ps. /   have build a new version of php_mysql module.   = This version was build using MySQL 4.1.3-beta client library.    It can be downloaded from/0 http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/axp/  5 I have succesfuly test this module using php_info.phpr1 http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/php-bin/php_info.phpu  	 and phpbbe, http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/phpbb/index.php after updating config.php.7 change line "$dbms = 'mysql';" into "$dbms = 'mysql4';"    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:27:21 -0400t2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>2 Subject: Re: VAX Users See the Writing on the Wall- Message-ID: <40F79169.7160.87E6D64@localhost>   2 On 16 Jul 2004 at 3:28, dittman@dittman.net wrote:B > Couldn't you use VMware ESX to run multiple instances of Windows+ > running multiple instances of CHARON-VAX?.  D You could, but that wouldn't produce something that would replace a $ single high-end multi-processor VAX.  H > The only reason I could think of what that wouldn't work is due to theG > USB dongle, but that would be a limitation that SRI could work around  > if necessary.c  C It's not a limitation.  I could see someone paying for one license a9 and then running a bunch of instances on a single system.l
 --Stan Quayler Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363v3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USAs0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:25:33 GMTw& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>2 Subject: Re: VAX Users See the Writing on the Wall8 Message-ID: <74pff09eei4qksmoqjstp4sejmu8ethp7t@4ax.com>  I On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:52:21 -0700, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>V wrote:    G >I'd prefer an Athlon or Opteron myself, AMD's are consistently better r) >performers with CHARON than Intel, IMHO.e  E Wintel was intended to be a "generic" term, not meant to exclude AMD.d   > ` >>b.  A 4-CPU VAX7800 series computer will need multiple Wintel servers to run the same workload >>   >>7 >Presuming that the 7840 is fully CPU saturated, yes.     I Well, this isn't strictly true.  a 7840 that's 50% utilized still means 2eJ CPUs in use most of the time, and then there are peaks that go above that.J And then there's the whole multi-process inter-process communication thing9 that can get in the way of any single-CPU implementation.i  G I'm not saying that C-V isn't a valid alternative.  I actually like theuF product immensely.  I'm only saying that you need to consider how yourD workload works, whether you can split parts of your application intoI multiple "instances" of VMS (hopefully clustered), and do lots of testingl before roll-out to production.   >>I >>On OpenVMS Alpha, C-V will allow multiple "virtual" VAX systems to run.S >>   >>H >But still, even in this scenario, you are still running four instances @ >of C-V, which would still require that your apps can easily be J >distributed.  If the app is a multi-threaded app that requires localized H >multi-processor CPU horsepower, I don't think that either the Alpha or & >Windows C-V can presently solve that.  J True, you'll still have the potential single-CPU-per-VAX-instance to worryE about.  My point is that you'll need fewer actual boxes to manage it.cA This can often be less expensive than lots of Wintel/amd servers.v   > L >>While "c." above is still somewhat true, you can probably get sufficientlyM >>fast Alpha server such that a single CPU virtual VAX may be fast enough foryJ >>most VAX 78xx workloads.  And certainly a 32-way Marvel would be able toC >>run enough images to reduce the total number of boxes you'd need.  >>   >>E >Yes, but at what cost?  How many folks are running VAX because they  G >could not afford the migration then, and/or now, or how many couldn't iF >migrate because of their VAX apps or environment?  VUP per CPU, a PC J >running C-V will produce faster emulated results than Alpha and throwing I >a 32-way Marvel isn't a realistic migration solution for 99% of the VAX  < >shops where as $8k in PC's, well that is a different story.  K I don't think that most of the servers I've seen implemented for productioneG use, including those under consideration for C-V, are in the $8K range._K And if it takes 24 of those $8K boxes to handle your workload (a real-worldoC example I've seen), then 2 16-CPU alphas might actually be cheaper.m   --- jlsr0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.6 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:57:56 -0700u+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> 2 Subject: Re: VAX Users See the Writing on the Wall' Message-ID: <40F7ECF4.7070007@MMaz.com>L   jlsue wrote:  I >>But still, even in this scenario, you are still running four instances lA >>of C-V, which would still require that your apps can easily be aK >>distributed.  If the app is a multi-threaded app that requires localized iI >>multi-processor CPU horsepower, I don't think that either the Alpha or  ' >>Windows C-V can presently solve that.o >>     >> >.K >True, you'll still have the potential single-CPU-per-VAX-instance to worry F >about.  My point is that you'll need fewer actual boxes to manage it.B >This can often be less expensive than lots of Wintel/amd servers. >  . > M >>>While "c." above is still somewhat true, you can probably get sufficientlylN >>>fast Alpha server such that a single CPU virtual VAX may be fast enough forK >>>most VAX 78xx workloads.  And certainly a 32-way Marvel would be able to D >>>run enough images to reduce the total number of boxes you'd need. >>> 	 >>>      - >>>-F >>Yes, but at what cost?  How many folks are running VAX because they H >>could not afford the migration then, and/or now, or how many couldn't G >>migrate because of their VAX apps or environment?  VUP per CPU, a PC 1K >>running C-V will produce faster emulated results than Alpha and throwing tJ >>a 32-way Marvel isn't a realistic migration solution for 99% of the VAX = >>shops where as $8k in PC's, well that is a different story.e >>     >> >eL >I don't think that most of the servers I've seen implemented for productionH >use, including those under consideration for C-V, are in the $8K range.L >And if it takes 24 of those $8K boxes to handle your workload (a real-worldD >example I've seen), then 2 16-CPU alphas might actually be cheaper. >  e > A Auh, perhaps you skimmed the early part of my post, but that $8k eI represents four $2k boxes and those four boxes running C-V could produce 6E the equivalent total VUPS of a 7840 where as two 16-way Alphas would -G still have to be running multiple instances of C-V to produce the same aI potential horse power and I would have to believe that Alpha iron is far v3 more expensive than a total of $8k in PC hardware. d  > Just an side, I also mentioned the $2k price as one of my C-V D systems...  This is just an example of an entry-level hosting price G that, if compounded by four systems, can reach the realm of processing  D you suggest for a 7840 but if you are actually running that type of G load, most likely you would spend more on systems with better hardware tI redundancy and even if you reached $5k per box, four $5k boxes are still s' cheaper than the dual Alpha approach...n   Regards,   Barryi   -- l  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        h   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.391 ************************