1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 19 Jul 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 396       Contents:" Re: 68 pin SCSI on 50 pin SCSI bus" Re: 68 pin SCSI on 50 pin SCSI bus" Re: 68 pin SCSI on 50 pin SCSI bus Re: DECnet question  Re: DECnet question 1 Re: HSx ECB (cache battery) troubleshooting/specs 2 I got movies of Homer making Lisa Simpson PREGNANT2 I got movies of Homer making Lisa Simpson PREGNANT- Re: Itanium Licensing and Hobbyist on Itanium . Re: OpenVMS Marketing: Variations on "stealth" Re: OpenVMS security?  Re: Richard Maher, Thanks!1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? 5 Watch Homer Simpson having orgasms (movies & sounds)!   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:05:15 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>+ Subject: Re: 68 pin SCSI on 50 pin SCSI bus , Message-ID: <40FAADCB.1060002@tsoft-inc.com>   Hans Vlems wrote:   @ > "Stuart Norris" <stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au> schreef in bericht9 > news:51262235.0407171352.4a97d539@posting.google.com...  >  >>Hello All, >>% >>I have an Alpha station 200i 4/100.  >>L >>I am finding it very hard to get 50 pin SCSI disks that are good enough to >> > use. > 6 >>I have several RZ29 drives with a 68 pin interfaces. >>K >>If I buy a female 50 pin to female 68 pin SCSI adapter can I connect this  >> > adapter to > K >>the mother board and run the 68 pin drives.  The 68 pin SCSI cable I have  >> > states > > >>that all the drives including the last must be unterminated. >>- >>From a gender point of view this will work.  >>+ >>Will this work from a SCSI point of view?  >> >>Stuart >> > H > In the world of SCSI anything goes, but the answer to your question is > probably: yes.G > I have a  QUANTUM ATLAS_V__9_WLS disk fitted with an adapter like you  > describe: L > male 68-to-male 50 pin SCSI and it works in a Digital Server 5305 (similar > to an AS1200) H > uner VMS 7.3 and in an expansion box (the one with the VAXstation 3100 > look) attached0 > to a VAXstation 4000-90A also running VMS 7.3.I > A company I found very reliable and knowledgeable is McPricebreakers on  > eBay:  > N > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11150&item=5108053783 > N > The product listed above is somewhat clumsy, I prefer the straight converter > kind.  >  > Hans >  >  >   M I'd agree with Hans.  However, since you have wide SCSI drives, why not look  O around for a wide SCSI interface.  I haven't done it, but I'd think that a PCI  $ card would work in the AlphaStation.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 01:09:00 GMT * From: Skylar Thompson <skylar@os2.dhs.org>+ Subject: Re: 68 pin SCSI on 50 pin SCSI bus 7 Message-ID: <slrncfm6vr.2mua.skylar@utumno.os2.dhs.org>   O On 17 Jul 2004 14:52:53 -0700, Stuart Norris <stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au> wrote:  > Hello All, > ' > I have an Alpha station 200i 4/100.    > Q > I am finding it very hard to get 50 pin SCSI disks that are good enough to use.  > 8 > I have several RZ29 drives with a 68 pin interfaces.   > V > If I buy a female 50 pin to female 68 pin SCSI adapter can I connect this adapter toS > the mother board and run the 68 pin drives.  The 68 pin SCSI cable I have states  > > that all the drives including the last must be unterminated. > . > From a gender point of view this will work.  > + > Will this work from a SCSI point of view?   J It should, since SCSI is fairly implementation-independent. Just make sure your SCSI IDs are all < 7.   --  ' -- Skylar Thompson (skylar@os2.dhs.org) " -- http://www.os2.dhs.org/~skylar/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:17:51 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> + Subject: Re: 68 pin SCSI on 50 pin SCSI bus ' Message-ID: <40FB4B6F.2050009@MMaz.com>    Skylar Thompson wrote:  P >On 17 Jul 2004 14:52:53 -0700, Stuart Norris <stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au> wrote: >    >  >>Hello All, >>' >>I have an Alpha station 200i 4/100.    >>Q >>I am finding it very hard to get 50 pin SCSI disks that are good enough to use.  >>8 >>I have several RZ29 drives with a 68 pin interfaces.   >>V >>If I buy a female 50 pin to female 68 pin SCSI adapter can I connect this adapter toS >>the mother board and run the 68 pin drives.  The 68 pin SCSI cable I have states  > >>that all the drives including the last must be unterminated. >>. >>From a gender point of view this will work.  >>+ >>Will this work from a SCSI point of view?  >>     >> > K >It should, since SCSI is fairly implementation-independent. Just make sure  >your SCSI IDs are all < 7.  >    > C and make sure that if you have a mix of 8 and 16 bit devices in the E chain, that the 16 bits are after the 8 and that you are getting good - device termination power for the termination.    Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:02:54 GMT 7 From: Jay Olson <jay.olson@triton-software.com.no.spam>  Subject: Re: DECnet question: Message-ID: <40FB2BF9.6060300@triton-software.com.no.spam>   Paul Repacholi wrote:   G > No parameters, it is the DECnet definitions. An IO completes when the G > data is in the destination USER buffer. IP QIOs `complete' when it is D > in the local system buffers for transmittion. Until you run out ofD > byte quota, and then either DECnet or IP will stall, which ever isG > first. App design often means that a specific case if far more likley  > than others.    H My experience does not agree with this. I stopped the receiving task in G the debugger after completion of a DECnet read, but before another one  D was started. Since there is no active read, there is no user buffer.  C Then, I repeatedly sent data from the sending task. From the above  A discussion, you would expect that the $QIOW would hang until the  I receiving task issued a read. However, the $QIOW completed the first few  F times, but eventually it would hang. The number of times you could do J the $QIOW without a hang seemed to depend on how much data was being sent.  F While in the "hung" state, I observed that there were no processes in F MWAIT or other resource wait states. Also, ANALYZE/SYSTEM showed that - the sending process had plenty of BYTLM left.      	- Jay Olson 	Triton Software Group Ltd.    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jul 2004 22:05:09 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: DECnet question3 Message-ID: <Eo6BMe$jzom$@eisner.encompasserve.org>   t In article <40FB2BF9.6060300@triton-software.com.no.spam>, Jay Olson <jay.olson@triton-software.com.no.spam> writes: > Paul Repacholi wrote:  > H >> No parameters, it is the DECnet definitions. An IO completes when the* >> data is in the destination USER buffer.   I disagree.   H >>                                         IP QIOs `complete' when it isE >> in the local system buffers for transmittion. Until you run out of E >> byte quota, and then either DECnet or IP will stall, which ever is H >> first. App design often means that a specific case if far more likley >> than others.  >  > J > My experience does not agree with this. I stopped the receiving task in I > the debugger after completion of a DECnet read, but before another one  F > was started. Since there is no active read, there is no user buffer. > E > Then, I repeatedly sent data from the sending task. From the above  C > discussion, you would expect that the $QIOW would hang until the  K > receiving task issued a read. However, the $QIOW completed the first few  H > times, but eventually it would hang. The number of times you could do L > the $QIOW without a hang seemed to depend on how much data was being sent.  D Yes.  The behaviour of DECnet changed in this regard some years ago.G As I understand the latest reasoning, you will not get an IO completion D (IOSB change and AST) until your packet is safely in a system bufferB on the far machine.  At that point it is reasonable to assume thatA the packet will be delivered unless the receiving process (or the ! whole receiving machine) crashes.   F To have DECnet behave otherwise would require a lot of extra user modeG programming to allow multiple packets to be transmitted for the fastest  performance.  H > While in the "hung" state, I observed that there were no processes in H > MWAIT or other resource wait states. Also, ANALYZE/SYSTEM showed that / > the sending process had plenty of BYTLM left.   E There would not be, in the case of system buffers being full for that $ connection on the receiving machine.  E By the way, I did not bother participating in this discussion because B there were so many confused postings flying around about TCP being	 involved.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 18:35:22 GMT / From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> : Subject: Re: HSx ECB (cache battery) troubleshooting/specs. Message-ID: <KpzKc.107553$JR4.50291@attbi_s54>  B I admit, I did not follow your posted link until after I posted my= MDS references.  By my math, it would have been cheaper to go % with the ones you did!  C'est la vie!   < I have saved the info to this US place for future reference.  C Funny, the reason I stumbled on MDS in the first place is by trying B different Google searches with various part numbers.  I never tookA off the shrink wrap to the batteries, so I never got down to that A level of part number.  I believe MDS was listing it under the DEC $ HS35X-XX battery (also 12-46670-01).   Rick   Duncan Brown wrote:    > Richard L. Dyson wrote:  > G >> I refurbished an RA450 that used those kind of batteries.  I found a G >> UK company that would sell me 2 brand new batteries for about 21 GBP E >> plus 20 GBP shipping.  It came to ~63 GBP which was USD$107 to me. F >> Compared to every place I found them listed in the US, they were asF >> much as $300.  Apparently they were the original makers of them for >> Digital in the first place. >>A >> It was MDS Battery.  http://www.mdsbattery.co.uk/defaultuk.asp  >  > J > They carry the separate cells for a little over $12 US, while the place H > I linked to is under $8 US.  I don't see a part number for the 2-cell G > assembly on their site, so that must have been a custom construction   > they quoted you. > K > Since I have the old dead battery, I'm simply going to use the wires and  K > connectors and construction technique from the old one to make a new one  I > with new cells, for about $16 each.  The only stumbling block I see at  E > all is the fact that they used really thin plasticy shrink tubing,  H > whereas the stuff I usually get is thicker and rubberier, and may not & > fit as well inside the little frame. >  > Duncan     --  J Richard L. Dyson                                      rick-dyson@uiowa.eduK   _   _  _____                      http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/ J | | | ||_   _|  Senior Systems Analyst   --   INFORMM-Cerner Systems Group< | | | |  | |    The University of Iowa Hospitals and ClinicsJ | \_/ | _| |_   Information Systems Dept. BT1000 GH   Office: 319/384-7016K   \___/ |_____|  Iowa City, IA 52242-1052                 FAX: 319/384-7020 E                  (Consulting to the Physics and Astronomy Department)    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 01:12:42 GMT  From: To <suckhim@madtoons.com> ; Subject: I got movies of Homer making Lisa Simpson PREGNANT 3 Message-ID: <eeFKc.34804$vO1.156978@nnrp1.uunet.ca>   : Plus do you fantasize about licking Maggie Simpson's body?  > Visit it on: http://CARTOONxxxZone.COM///ximpsons/../ximpsons?  6 Then try http://WWW.Sex-Toons-XXX.COM////simpsons for @ xtra pics of Homer and Marge moaning in most incredible orgazms.  @ Don't you forget Http://madtoons.com///simpsons/index.html? for D extra intimate shots of Bart and Maggie rubbing their private parts.      - Rhythms <Hewas@madtoons.com> wrote in message 4 news:Gtvt5wL7UfofXB7KliWwVtCddetupBr@madtoons.com... > D > whimpering now absolutely shaking as he bounced his ass on the bed >  > 	 > yq81ej6    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 01:12:53 GMT  From: To <suckhim@madtoons.com> ; Subject: I got movies of Homer making Lisa Simpson PREGNANT 3 Message-ID: <peFKc.34844$vO1.156978@nnrp1.uunet.ca>   : Plus do you fantasize about licking Maggie Simpson's body?  > Visit it on: http://CARTOONxxxZone.COM///ximpsons/../ximpsons?  6 Then try http://WWW.Sex-Toons-XXX.COM////simpsons for @ xtra pics of Homer and Marge moaning in most incredible orgazms.  @ Don't you forget Http://madtoons.com///simpsons/index.html? for D extra intimate shots of Bart and Maggie rubbing their private parts.      - Rhythms <Hewas@madtoons.com> wrote in message 4 news:Gtvt5wL7UfofXB7KliWwVtCddetupBr@madtoons.com... > D > whimpering now absolutely shaking as he bounced his ass on the bed >  > 	 > yq81ej6    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 19:07:22 +0100 < From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>6 Subject: Re: Itanium Licensing and Hobbyist on Itanium5 Message-ID: <40fabc5e$0$7116$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>   B "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspringdot.com> wrote in messageF news:rdeininger-1807040751310001@user-105n888.dialup.mindspring.com...F > In article <40f9ae73$0$7801$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>, "Alex Daniels"0 > <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk> wrote: > J > >With some of the talk about what will (and will not) be included in theI > >different licensing options with Itanium and the comments about it not  being I > >definitively decided yet, I had a look around on an pre 8.2 base level  > >machine.  > > I > >The products in the different categories were no shock and as previous J > >stated by hp, but looks like hobbyists won't have to load quite so manyK > >licences any more, and more importantly shows that they are committed to 9 > >catering for hobbyist's from the start. Well done hp..  > >  > >From the early 8.2 box... > >  > >   FOE     Foundation4 > >   OPENVMS-I64,OPENVMS-USER,DVNETEND,DW-MOTIF,UCX= > >   TDC,DCOM-MIDL,X500-ADMIN-FACILITY,X500-DIRECTORY-SERVER  > >  > >   EOE     Enterprise" > >   DECRAM,RMSJNL,VOLSHAD,SYSMGT > >  > >   MCOE    Mission Critical* > >   RTR-SVR,VMSCLUSTER,VMSCLUSTER-CLIENT > >  > >   HOE     Hobbyist > >   OPENVMS-HOE  > > D > >It has been documented prior that each category will also include
 everything! > >from the preceding categories.  > E > I don't think HOE is part of the same hierarchy as the other 3 OEs.   L I'm sure its not as far as marketing purposes go, and indeed I do not recallJ seeing it mentioned in any of the presentations I've seen (hence my post).  L However as I said those details are from the pre 8.2  box. A snipped extract' from the LMF$OE.DAT file to be precise.   L As we know MCOE will also contain the products from FOE and EOE, yet in thisH file the products aren't listed again for MCOE. Nor has HOE any products against it.   J Therefore in the absence of the source listings, it would be reasonable toH suggest everything mentioned in the file for the preceding categories is also licensed for.   Alex   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jul 2004 18:56:22 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) 7 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Marketing: Variations on "stealth" = Message-ID: <857e9e41.0407181756.6c1788ac@posting.google.com>    Dear Newsgroup,   F You can bet that if VMS gets a great press article it goes to a number( of people including a number of Sr VP's.  B My email distribution list is about 2K people outside of HP and 1KE inside HP (VMS group, Ambassadors, people I know, people that need to  know even if they did not ask).   E And while I do not officially reside in the Marketing group I am like / the rest of you and we all do our best for VMS.   
 Warm Regards,  Sue   L Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote in message news:<40F5B48D.8050007@home.nl>... > Sue Skonetski wrote:	 > > Dave,  > > G > > Just in case I misunderstood you let me clarify my comment.  HP did I > > not sponser the articles written.  All the folks that participated in G > > the articles did so on their own and deserve all the credit for the  > > great jobs they did. >  > They sure do !!! >  > > F > > It is my great hope that other trade journals will follow suit notF > > only for VMS and IT but all areas and get users to participate and > > write articles.  > > ! > > I am sorry if I sounded rude.  > >  > > Warm Regards,  > > Sue  > 	 > Hi Sue,  > Q > Just as a matter of interest. Are articles like these brought to the attention  Q > HP management? Maybe by you, or by other OpenVMS staff ? We (the customers and  N > HP OpenVMS staff) would love to see more OpenVMS marketing, and maybe, just S > maybe, some of the top brass in HP may get the idea that they have someting very  O > valuable in their software portfolio. We keep praying that some day they may  " > discover what they have aquired.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 14:41:05 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: OpenVMS security?, Message-ID: <1pGdnVID95_eWWfdRVn-ig@igs.net>   David J Dachtera wrote:  > Robert Deininger wrote:  >>< >> In article <Hoadnc3EK9GZ3mTdRVn-hg@igs.net>, "John Smith" >> <a@nonymous.com> wrote: >> >>> Robert Deininger wrote: A >>>> In article <AMWdnWKtYYEgnWTdRVn-ig@comcast.com>, Undisclosed - >>>> <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com> wrote:  >>>> >>> <<snip>> >>>  >>H >>>> I think a lot can be done to help VMS, quicker, cheaper, and easier >>>> than porting to Opteron.  >>>  >>> H >>> Like taking the money an Opeteron port would cost and devoting it to >>> VMS-exclusive advertising? >>F >> I think some advertising would be helpful, yes.  But maybe not THAT >> much advertising. > F > It may very well be that the whole security situation is approachingF > "critical mass": all it might take at this point is for something toF > come along that offers VMS's security with the "ease of use" usually) > associated with "point and click toys".  > F > VMS could have been there ready to sieze the day, but for its denial+ > about the ubiquity and dominance of IA32.      David,  I Have to disagree. Sun did mighty fine for a very long time selling 'snake # oil' on something that wasn't IA32.   L Digital/Compaq/HP could have done the same on Alpha but chose not to put the$ effort into it in a marketing sense.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:54:58 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> # Subject: Re: Richard Maher, Thanks! 3 Message-ID: <40FB3802.E4E6FB38@applied-synergy.com>   ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  > M > Having just returned from my >fortnight holiday in the UK, I just wanted to M > publicly state what a pleasure it was to *finally* meetup with Richard even M > if it was for only an hour.  It looks as if the third time was a charm this  > time out.  > M > My wife and I enjoyed beer, pizza and pleasant conversation at the Dicken's H > Inn near Tower Bridge with Richard.  Thanks.  VMS people are the best.    B Did you get to try the famous English corn and tuna pizza?  <grin>    G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:47:04 GMT 6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com>: Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?? Message-ID: <cnIKc.164011$2o2.9160998@twister.southeast.rr.com>   I Check with Stalker.com on the status of CommuniGate Pro.  They are in the  process of porting it to OVMS.   http://www.stalker.com/cpro/  = I've been running it for six years without the first problem.    Ken    -- Kenneth R. Farmer <><  OpenVMS.org     ? "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:40F89425.C99097C5@comcast.net...  > dooley wrote:  > > A > > David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message ' news:<40F49CCD.5CA7E6AA@comcast.net>... L > > > Is anyone aware of a company prodiving a turn-key OpenVMS solution forF > > > e-mail, web services and/or both? I thought I followed a link on GoogleL > > > Groups to one once, but I didn't print anything out from that site and  > > > don't a URL to go back to. > > Check out this one  > > http://www.versamail.net.au/ > > Phil > ) > I'm looking for software, not services.  >  > D.J.D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 01:05:53 GMT $ From: It <andadjusting@madtoons.com>> Subject: Watch Homer Simpson having orgasms (movies & sounds)!3 Message-ID: <R7FKc.33943$vO1.156924@nnrp1.uunet.ca>   ? And do you have dreams of cumming on Bart Simpson's buttcheeks?   0 Click on Http://www.CARTOONxxxZone.COM//ximpsons  C Or you see Http://www.SEX-Toons-xxx.Com//simpsons/../simpsons? for  C bonus intimate pix of Homer and Marge trying incest for a 1st time.   ? Or you see HTTP://www.MADtoons.COM///simpsons/index.html?  for  > wilder intimate pics of Marge and Bart licking there privates.          1 Room <hisbathtowel@madtoons.com> wrote in message 0 news:Gr1OYQh1w9T42E2r8Uy0Imr560D@madtoons.com... > : > draped around him over his hips held to him by his right >  > 	 > yq81ej6    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.396 ************************