1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 22 Jul 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 403       Contents:/ Re: Anyone have any HSZ to HSG upgrade stories?  Re: decamds  Disk Problems with an AXP 2100" Re: Disk Problems with an AXP 2100" Re: Disk Problems with an AXP 2100" Re: downloading a VMS distribution" Re: downloading a VMS distribution! Re: DVDwrite Version 4.0 released ! Re: DVDwrite Version 4.0 released  Re: Galaxy shared memory size ( Installing Java141 creating directories., Re: Installing Java141 creating directories., Re: Installing Java141 creating directories.F John's Good Work! (Was: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?) Re: Looking for a Video Card MSL SDLT tape library - DLT IV* MSL5000 tape Library in a hetrogeneous SAN Re: OpenVMS security? ( OpenVMS, DII COE, Terrorism, 9/11 etc... Osama Found Hanged: Re: Osama Found Hanged - THIS IS A VIRUS - Troj/Hackarmy-A Re: OT: Pretty good Linux ad6 Re: Sending page messages from VMS using a Unix server6 Re: Sending page messages from VMS using a Unix server6 Re: Sending page messages from VMS using a Unix server Re: Solaris to Itanium...  Re: Telnet without timestamp1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? 1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? " Re: [OT] Haggis in comp.os.vms :-)F Re: [OT]: Microsoft Patent Cross License - Open Source Software ImpactF Re: [OT]: Microsoft Patent Cross License - Open Source Software ImpactF RE: [OT]: Microsoft Patent Cross License - Open Source Software Impact  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:29:46 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>8 Subject: Re: Anyone have any HSZ to HSG upgrade stories?8 Message-ID: <ifqvf0tps7jg9og8bbi8t7tishcium15gm@4ax.com>  F On 21 Jul 2004 09:22:28 -0700, twnews@kittles.com (Thomas Wirt) wrote:   >Alan wrote: >  >> Thomas Wirt wrote:  >>  C >>> I have 2 AlphaServer 4100 with 5GB mem. and 2 300 MHz CPUs.  My  >main D >>> disk space is on a pair of HSZ70 controllers.  We have plenty of >CPUF >>> and memory available all of the time, but we clearly seem IO bound. >>> bound at many busy points during each day. >>   >>  D >> Are you already running VMS v7.3-2 with the XFC?   If not, do so.A >> At one of my sites, it cut a ten minute I/O bound job to a ten  >> second job.   YMMV  > D >We are running VMS 7.3-1 and XFC cache had a positive impact on ourF >system.  Unfortunately our DB and transactions are not all cache-ableD >(lots of single record once a day reads writes).  The XFC gave us aA >10% to 25% IO increase.  I am hoping that an upgrade to an HSG80 B >system will give us at least a 200% IO increase.  I know that theF >HSG80 should give us at least that speed increase over our HSZ70, butF >I need to know if I should expect that the AS 4100 can keep up enough >to see the IO speed increase.  I The I/O bottlenecks could be in the controller, or in the disk subsystem. I Why do you think the HSZ itself is the bottleneck?  How many spindles are & involved in your disk sets on the HSZ?  D Some typically ways to improve I/O throughput are (note there may be others):  J 1.  Don't do real I/O - use system memory as cache (database global areas,	 XFC, etc) 0 2.  Cache more data at the controller subsystem C 3.  Add more spindles to the configuration to add "servers" for I/O  requests  K If #1 & #2 above are already done, then it would seem that #3 might be your I next step.  Where are you seeing the bottleneck?  How large are your LUNs B (how many spindles)?  What type of RAID are they, and what is your read-to-write ratio?   --- jls 0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.6 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:04:51 GMT 0 From: "Barry Kierstein" <Barry.Kierstein@HP.Com> Subject: Re: decamds2 Message-ID: <nbNLc.6292$aa3.1077@news.cpqcorp.net>   John,   L My guess is that you are getting error messages from the terminal window youA are running the $ AVAIL/MOTIF command, saying "Can't find library F AMDS$VMSAXP-V732.LIB". You need a library that has OpenVMS V7.3-2 dataI collectors in it to collect data from a V7.3-2 machine. The library, plus K all the current fixes, etc. are in the latest DECamds kit. You can get this K on the CD as others have mentioned, or you can get it from the Availability K Manager homepage under kits. Both the Availability Manager and DECamds kits  are available there.   Barry Kierstein   . "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message7 news:45vLc.36609$KP6.2194716@twister.tampabay.rr.com... J > In a pure VMS environment, can we continue to run DECAMDS, or do we need to > go to Availability Manager?  > K > I have had AMDS running on our VMS 7.3-1 cluster nodes for some time.  We J > just added another cluster node at VMS 7.3-2.  I cannot get this node toE > display on our VMS 7.3-1 system where the AMDS analyzer is running.  > H > Is this because it the analyzer is older than the collector?  Based on thisJ > assumption, and the fact that the newer collector and analyzer should beH > "better" I want to upgrade all my nodes to the latest version of AMDS. But 6 > I cannot find the AMDS installation kit.  Any ideas? >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:52:15 +0200 2 From: "Dr. Otto Titze" <titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de>' Subject: Disk Problems with an AXP 2100 5 Message-ID: <cdo2jh$t0m$1@lnx107.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de>    Hi,   1 somewhat off topic but may be I get an hint here.   H On an AXP 2100 5/250 running under VMS we got increasing disk errors on I all DKA disk, finally the system didn't boot. The service changed nearly  ' everything (motherboard, PCI Cards...).   I Afterwards(like before) the Alpha did not recognize all disks in console  I mode (sh device). We tested a lot of disks in all slots. The former dka0  F (an RZ28-VA, 2GB) is now not recognised at all, another 2GB (RZ28-VW) 1 is. Also 4GB disks (DS-DRZ1C8-VW) are recognised.   G We tested all disks on another AXP 2100 5/250, no problems, could boot  I the old DKA0. Here we copied it to the RZ28-VW and one of the 4GB disks.  H With the first the machine now runs stable. With the 4GB system disk we H get after some time hang-ups with PFW and the system disk repeats Mount D verification  Mount verification completed. Why do the disks ehave  differently?  I Has anyone made a similar experience? Any idea what the reason could be?  G Although the service nearly changed everything, but by sure he did not   change the Power Supply.   Regards    Otto  1 PS: The Alphas have the newest firmware revision.  --  -   ------------------------------------------- , | Dr. Otto Titze, Kernphysik TUD           |, | Schlossgartenstr. 9, D-64289 Darmstadt   |, | titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de                |, | Tel: +49(6151)16-2916,FAX:16-4321        |-   -------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:51:15 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>+ Subject: Re: Disk Problems with an AXP 2100 * Message-ID: <2m9kh7Fjm2emU1@uni-berlin.de>   Dr. Otto Titze wrote:  > Hi,  > 3 > somewhat off topic but may be I get an hint here.  > J > On an AXP 2100 5/250 running under VMS we got increasing disk errors on K > all DKA disk, finally the system didn't boot. The service changed nearly  ) > everything (motherboard, PCI Cards...).  > K > Afterwards(like before) the Alpha did not recognize all disks in console  K > mode (sh device). We tested a lot of disks in all slots. The former dka0  H > (an RZ28-VA, 2GB) is now not recognised at all, another 2GB (RZ28-VW) 3 > is. Also 4GB disks (DS-DRZ1C8-VW) are recognised.  > I > We tested all disks on another AXP 2100 5/250, no problems, could boot  K > the old DKA0. Here we copied it to the RZ28-VW and one of the 4GB disks.  J > With the first the machine now runs stable. With the 4GB system disk we J > get after some time hang-ups with PFW and the system disk repeats Mount F > verification  Mount verification completed. Why do the disks ehave  > differently? > K > Has anyone made a similar experience? Any idea what the reason could be?  I > Although the service nearly changed everything, but by sure he did not   > change the Power Supply. > 	 > Regards  >  > Otto > 3 > PS: The Alphas have the newest firmware revision.   H I had a similar experience a few years ago. My PWS 600au slowly started E clocking disk errors, then wouldn't recognise all the disks and tape  / after a reboot, finally ceasing to boot at all.   G I tested the system disk in another system and no problem; put in back  D in the original system and got problems. Tried again, and somewhere G during this I disconnected the external tape and hey presto, my system   sprang back into life.  C I concluded it was a SCSI cabling problem, as I'd also had another  I external disk daisy chained off the tape, with a rather long cable. That  J has remained disconnected ever since, and I have seen no further problems.  > I can't explain the gradual deterioration except that maybe I + accidentally knocked a cable at some point.   , Perhaps it's a cabling or connector problem.   --  
 Paul Sture  - OS X: "It's Unix, Jim, but not as we know it"    ------------------------------   Date: 22 Jul 2004 10:26:29 GMT< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)+ Subject: Re: Disk Problems with an AXP 2100 0 Message-ID: <cdo4ol$mod$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  j In article <cdo2jh$t0m$1@lnx107.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de>, "Dr. Otto Titze" <titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de> writes:I >On an AXP 2100 5/250 running under VMS we got increasing disk errors on  J >all DKA disk, finally the system didn't boot. The service changed nearly ( >everything (motherboard, PCI Cards...). > J >Afterwards(like before) the Alpha did not recognize all disks in console J >mode (sh device). We tested a lot of disks in all slots. The former dka0 G >(an RZ28-VA, 2GB) is now not recognised at all, another 2GB (RZ28-VW)  2 >is. Also 4GB disks (DS-DRZ1C8-VW) are recognised. > H >We tested all disks on another AXP 2100 5/250, no problems, could boot J >the old DKA0. Here we copied it to the RZ28-VW and one of the 4GB disks. I >With the first the machine now runs stable. With the 4GB system disk we  I >get after some time hang-ups with PFW and the system disk repeats Mount  E >verification  Mount verification completed. Why do the disks ehave  
 >differently?  > J >Has anyone made a similar experience? Any idea what the reason could be? H >Although the service nearly changed everything, but by sure he did not  >change the Power Supply.   H Are you sure that the cabling is all right? What about SCSI-Terminators?   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jul 2004 06:23:57 -07002 From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb)+ Subject: Re: downloading a VMS distribution = Message-ID: <bf98c417.0407220523.1078c994@posting.google.com>   j Andrew Walters <awxrt001@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<okDLc.114$AY5.45@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>... > Hi,  > ? > I recently had my encompass membership confirmed and within a - > few days will apply for a hobbyist licence.  > A > However I'm too skint to buy a distribution CD. Yes I know it's + > only thirty bucks but ... skint is skint.  > < > Is there anywhere I can go to plug in a member-id, licence= > number and whatever else (except credit-card #) to download   > (gasp) a VMS distrib that way? >  > tia.  > Post your location along with a polite request for assistance.   F Someone might let you borrow their kit, or at least agree to bring one by so you could do an install.   WWWebb   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:49:17 GMT ) From: Andrew Walters <awxrt001@yahoo.com> + Subject: Re: downloading a VMS distribution ; Message-ID: <heSLc.95145$CN5.27@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>    William Webb wrote:   @ > Post your location along with a polite request for assistance. >   H > Someone might let you borrow their kit, or at least agree to bring one  > by so you could do an install.  < I appreciate the sentiment, but I don't do open addresses in= newsgroups for the same reason that most of us don't hand out ; slips of paper with our details to strangers in the street.    :-)    -- relax and enjoy your shoes    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jul 2004 23:42:57 -0700. From: dieter.rossbach@gmx.de (dieter rossbach)* Subject: Re: DVDwrite Version 4.0 released< Message-ID: <e1d40caf.0407212242.3e70c21@posting.google.com>  C It would be nice to have a list with maximum file sizes for virtual 6 disk as a comtainer for the various CD and DVD-Formats   The only thing i found was:    CD 74 minutes: 1331976 blocks  CD 60 minutes: 1133976 blocks.   who knows more?      Regards    Dieter   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jul 2004 10:02:32 +0200C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) * Subject: Re: DVDwrite Version 4.0 released+ Message-ID: <40ff7498@news.uni-konstanz.de>   < In article <e1d40caf.0407212242.3e70c21@posting.google.com>,0 dieter.rossbach@gmx.de (dieter rossbach) writes:D >It would be nice to have a list with maximum file sizes for virtual7 >disk as a comtainer for the various CD and DVD-Formats  >  >The only thing i found was: >  >CD 74 minutes: 1331976 blocks   >CD 60 minutes: 1133976 blocks.  >  >who knows more? >  >  >Regards >  >Dieter   + The exact numbers vary from media to media. . DVDwrite reads out this info before it writes.   CD: 650 MB - 700 MB. DVD+-R(W)/DVD-RAM: 4,37 GB DVD+R Dual Layer: 7,96 GB    This is an example:   % $ dvdwrite /write/noeject lda1: dqa0:      DVR Vendor:  HL-DT-ST !     DVR Product: DVDRAM GSA-4120B      FW Version:  A102      DVDwrite Version 4.00 ' Mounted media appears to be a DVD+R DL. $  Capacity of media: 16695040 blocks. 100 % done. !  Fixating. Be patient, please ... $  Capacity of media: 16670720 blocks.   ELAPSED TIME =    0 01:35:41.88  CPU TIME = 0:02:33.14  BUFFERED I/O COUNT = 260487  DIRECT I/O COUNT = 521107  PAGE FAULT COUNT = 15 $ mou/for/nocache dqa0: 6 %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, SYS_NEU mounted on _$71$DQA0: (DG12) $ dvdwrite /verify lda1: dqa0: Verifying...  100 % done  Verification OK!   Hope this helps  Eberhard   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:03:15 GMT  From: Jim Duff <jim@127.0.0.1>& Subject: Re: Galaxy shared memory sizeH Message-ID: <72OLc.302357$Gx4.152057@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>   Scott Greig wrote:   > Hello all  > 8 > I'm about to configure my first Galaxy (ES47 Model 4).6 > My thought was to have a single hard partition, with8 > two soft partitions, using SMCI (Shared Memory Cluster, > Interconnect) as the cluster interconnect. > 4 > There will only be 4 GB of memory.  Both instances4 > will boot from a common system disk - applications" > will also share disks (MSA1000). > 8 > I'm considering a 64MB shared memory area, but this is; > only a guess - I have no guidelines (nor are there any in + > the Alpha Partitioning and Galaxy Guide).  > 9 > My question - is this enough?  Should I consider 128MB? 9 > The application is NOT Galaxy aware - at least not yet!  > 	 > Cheers,  > Scott  >  >   8 I suspect that your 64MB will be enough.  I am running a8 pair of GS160s both soft partitioned into two nodes, and8 they are both using just on 21MB to support SMCI and the SMLAN devices.   HTH  Jim  --   jimATeightDASHcubedDOTcom    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:31:50 +0100 2 From: "Andoni" <no_spammers@andoni_at_ireland.com>1 Subject: Installing Java141 creating directories. 0 Message-ID: <JeQLc.5250$Z14.6507@news.indigo.ie>   Hello,  G I am installing Java 141 onto a machine that has had it before.  It was G removed from the machine for reasons unknown and by method unknown! ;-)   H Anyway, when now I go to put Java 1.4.1-2 (for OpenVMS) onto the machineJ again I get error messages about the non-existence of every directory.  ItJ (the installer) is correct to say that they are not there but I don't have= to create them all manually, or at least I wouldn't think so!   6 Has anybody seen this bahavior before?  What can I do?  ( Below is an excert, thanks for any help,   Andoni.    $ product install java141   ( The following product has been selected:F     DEC AXPVMS JAVA141 V1.4-12             Layered Product [Installed]   Do you want to continue? [YES]    Configuration phase starting ...  J You will be asked to choose options, if any, for each selected product and for A any products that may be installed to satisfy software dependency 
 requirements.   2 DEC AXPVMS JAVA141 V1.4-12: JAVA for OpenVMS Alpha  B     Copyright 2001, 2003 Hewlett-Packard Development Company, L.P.  / Do you want the defaults for all options? [YES]   ' Do you want to review the options? [NO]    Execution phase starting ...  7 The following product will be installed to destination: I     DEC AXPVMS JAVA141 V1.4-12             DISK$OPENVMS73_1:[VMS$COMMON.]    Portion done: 0%   %PCSI-E-OPENOUT, error openingL DISK$OPENVMS73_1:[SYS4.SYSCOMMON.][JAVA$141.DEMO.APPLETS.ANIMATOR]ANIMATION. CLASS;* as output  -RMS-E-DNF, directory not found " -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file" %PCSI-E-OPFAILED, operation failedE Terminating is strongly recommended.  Do you want to terminate? [YES] I %PCSI-E-CANCEL_WIP, termination resulted in an incomplete modification to 
 the system/ %PCSI-E-S_OPCAN, operation cancelled by request C %PCSIUI-E-ABORT, operation terminated due to an unrecoverable error 	 condition    $    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:51:31 -0500 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>5 Subject: Re: Installing Java141 creating directories. I Message-ID: <craigberry-1820AA.10513122072004@news-east.dca.giganews.com>   0 In article <JeQLc.5250$Z14.6507@news.indigo.ie>,4  "Andoni" <no_spammers@andoni_at_ireland.com> wrote:  I > I am installing Java 141 onto a machine that has had it before.  It was I > removed from the machine for reasons unknown and by method unknown! ;-)  > J > Anyway, when now I go to put Java 1.4.1-2 (for OpenVMS) onto the machineH > again I get error messages about the non-existence of every directory.  F It may well be getting ready to replace files from an installation it 0 believes is already there.  What do you see from   $ product show product java141  H If PCSI thinks you've got it installed but the files are not there, you  may want to manually   $ product remove java141   before reinstalling.  2 Note that java 1.4.2-2 is now the current version.  H Obviously fixing your security policy and/or educating privileged users C is your more important problem, the missing java installation just   being a symptom.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:47:10 +0100 2 From: "Andoni" <no_spammers@andoni_at_ireland.com>5 Subject: Re: Installing Java141 creating directories. 0 Message-ID: <zdSLc.5269$Z14.6543@news.indigo.ie>   Thanks,   > Ended up pulling the entire tree manually from another server.   Andoni.     A "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler> wrote in message C news:craigberry-1820AA.10513122072004@news-east.dca.giganews.com... 2 > In article <JeQLc.5250$Z14.6507@news.indigo.ie>,6 >  "Andoni" <no_spammers@andoni_at_ireland.com> wrote: > K > > I am installing Java 141 onto a machine that has had it before.  It was K > > removed from the machine for reasons unknown and by method unknown! ;-)  > > L > > Anyway, when now I go to put Java 1.4.1-2 (for OpenVMS) onto the machineJ > > again I get error messages about the non-existence of every directory. > G > It may well be getting ready to replace files from an installation it 2 > believes is already there.  What do you see from >   > $ product show product java141 > I > If PCSI thinks you've got it installed but the files are not there, you  > may want to manually >  > $ product remove java141 >  > before reinstalling. > 4 > Note that java 1.4.2-2 is now the current version. > I > Obviously fixing your security policy and/or educating privileged users D > is your more important problem, the missing java installation just > being a symptom.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:11:56 +0200 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>O Subject: John's Good Work! (Was: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?) A Message-ID: <40ffaf0e$0$5936$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>   
 Hi Everybody,   ! I've been following the thread... :              Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?I and when reading John Smith's recent post an important thought regarding   this topic came to me.  H I believe an eminent representative of the OpenVMS Comunity had already I long recognized the need for an OpenVMS Turn-key Web-server Solution and  0 *acted*. He was working on it till he passed on.  H He called his solution the VMSONE SECURE SERVER, and is/was known to us B as John Wisniewski - HP Employee - OpenVMS Ambassador - Friend to 8 OpenVMS Fans Everywhere - and Scourge to VMS Nay-Sayers!  G His solution was in the process of development and announcement at the   following website...   http://vmsone.com/about.html    6 The important questions I now have to offer is this...  * Whom if anyone, is now carrying the torch?   Who will carry the torch!   ) And, what has become of John's Good Work?      Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg ( IBM Business Services - Hanover, Germany   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jul 2004 06:59:03 -0700& From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan)% Subject: Re: Looking for a Video Card = Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0407220559.590fc24d@posting.google.com>   s "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message news:<M%xLc.6228$hz2.6037@news.cpqcorp.net>... M > Of course, you are right.  This is the 3DLabs P2 chip, and I think there is * > enough memory on that card for 1280x1024 > E > "Gib Copeland" <copeland@not.jenni.path.uiowa.edu> wrote in message * > news:MqvLc.138614$JR4.93675@attbi_s54... > > Bobby Coleman wrote:	 > > > Hi,  > > > B > > > We have two DS20E Alpha workstations that came with DEPVZ-AA >  multifunctionL > > > video/ehternet/SCSI cards.  These have a max resolution of 1024 x 768. >  We L > > > would like to upgrade these to 1280x1024 or 1600x1200.  We are running >  VMSN > > > Ver 7.3.  Would someone be so kind as to recommend a card that we shouldN > > > consider?  We really only care about 2D graphics and text.  I've not had@ > > > much luck with "phone sales" with HP when it comes to VMS. > >  > > > D > > According to the specs, this card supports 1280x1024 resolution. > > Try adding the lines:  > > # > > $  decw$xsize_in_pixels == 1280 # > > $  decw$ysize_in_pixels == 1024  > > 0 > > to sys$manager:decw$private_server_setup.com > >  > > Gib   E Is the DEPVZ Permedia 2 the same video hardware as the GLoria Synergy B (Powerstorm 4D10T)?  If so does it share the same memory bandwidth< limitations?  The 4D10T was less than ideal at the 1280x1024B resolution; you'd get shifting and 'artifacts' while scrolling.  IA didn't get _nice_ 1280x1024 operation on my 600au until I found a D Powerstorm 4D20 to use.  I've also seen a Powerstorm 300 in use on a< DS10, and it provided great (and fast) visuals at 1280x1024.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:24:18 -0400 " From: "Hal Kuff" <kuff@tessco.com>' Subject: MSL SDLT tape library - DLT IV - Message-ID: <cdobkv$jbo@library1.airnews.net>   I     We are running 7.3-1 with some SDLT MSL Tape libraries and are having L trouble reading DLT IV tapes, the specs say this is doable... is anyone elseJ having issues.... we are not getting read errors, they just will not mount
 and read.....    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jul 2004 09:03:53 -0700( From: chrisc44444@hotmail.com (Chris C.)3 Subject: MSL5000 tape Library in a hetrogeneous SAN = Message-ID: <a8d0c1df.0407220803.5c1ad400@posting.google.com>   F We have a heterogeneous SAN environment with the following components:   	Dual redundant HSG80's  	2 x SAN Switch 2/8   	2 x clustered ES40's VMS V7.3-1( 	3 x "Windows 2003 Server" Intel servers 	1 x MSL5026 Tape Library   E The issue we have is that in order to get the VMS backups to function B correctly we had to zone the VMS and the Windows separately on theF switches and add the tape library to the VMS zone, therefore making it  unavailable to the Windows zone.C Prior to zoning, the VMS backups would keep going into mount verify F state then falling over. At the time I came to the conclusion that theB tape drives were receiving a "SCSI reset" (?) originating from the2 Wintel Boxes, so I zoned and alleviated the issue.  C The Backups on the Wintel Servers are currently handled by 2 direct B attach SCSI LTO drives using the Veritas BackupEXEC V9.1 software.D However due to the expanding nature of this environment the use of a; tape Library would now be beneficial, so my query is; do I:   F a.)     Purchase a second MSL5026 tape library and place it on the SAN         in the Windows zone C b.)	Find a way to use the existing Library on both Windows and VMS  9          I have capacity (tape slots) and a time window. + c.)	None of the above  suggestions please?    Many Thanks    Chris C.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jul 2004 09:12:24 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: OpenVMS security?3 Message-ID: <j5tzkbGb2by4@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <D8KdnbfLkZGLrWLdRVn-hg@comcast.com>, Undisclosed <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com> writes: > . > http://www.phrack.org/phrack/60/p60-0x0a.txt >   C    The assertion there in 1.3 "Integer overflows cannot be detected >    after they have happened" is false.  Many CPUs provide this    capability.  E    The need to watch for integer overflows is related to the way they ?    are used for buffer sizes.  As the paper correctly quotes "A ?    computation involving unsigned operands can never overflow".   F    VMS internally uses code and instructions which handle buffer sizesD    as unsigned.  Any failure to do so could produce a potential bug.C    I believe the assertion by an earlier poster that the underlying F    mechanism for using interger overflow as a vector is not present in    VMS.    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jul 2004 10:32:26 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)1 Subject: OpenVMS, DII COE, Terrorism, 9/11 etc... = Message-ID: <f30679fb.0407220932.7cc6d9c5@posting.google.com>    Well  , Advertiser Charged in Massive Database Theft  V http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/washpost/20040722/tc_washpost/a4364_2004jul21  F "Federal authorities yesterday charged an online advertiser in FloridaE with tapping into the computer system of a large database marketer in B Arkansas and stealing "vast amounts of personal information" about> Americans in what they described as one of the largest network intrusions in recent memory."  (...)    After the 9/11 report:  A Do the USA Gov. have any "intelligence" to improve the safety and E integration of their Intelligence systems? Why not use the experience 9 of the DII COE to leverage the level of the security up ?   3 And unplug their systems from external access too !   B I think the lobbists must interfere in the Gov. Agencies decisions@ selling non secure products and systems. Looks like "easy money"> helps  to break the USA security policies... just my opinion !   Regards    FC   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:31:38 GMT  From: frankjones@harvard.edu Subject: Osama Found Hanged 4 Message-ID: <_kPLc.17407$pR5.11871@fe2.texas.rr.com>  HOsama Bin Ladin was found hanged by two CNN journalists early Wedensday evening.  As evidence they took several photos, some of which i have included here.  As yet, this information has not hit the headlines due to Bush wanting confirmation of his identity but the journalists have released some early photos over the internet..* http://24.13.130.125:89/OsamaFoundDead.zip   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:08:48 +0100 2 From: "Andoni" <no_spammers@andoni_at_ireland.com>C Subject: Re: Osama Found Hanged - THIS IS A VIRUS - Troj/Hackarmy-A 0 Message-ID: <lNQLc.5252$Z14.6512@news.indigo.ie>  I THIS IS A VIRUS THIS IS A VIRUS THIS IS A VIRUS THIS IS A VIRUS THIS IS A J VIRUS THIS IS A VIRUS THIS IS A VIRUS THIS IS A VIRUS THIS IS A VIRUS THISJ IS A VIRUS THIS IS A VIRUS THIS IS A VIRUS THIS IS A VIRUS THIS IS A VIRUSI THIS IS A VIRUS THIS IS A VIRUS THIS IS A VIRUS THIS IS A VIRUS THIS IS A J VIRUS THIS IS A VIRUS THIS IS A VIRUS THIS IS A VIRUS THIS IS A VIRUS THIS* IS A VIRUS THIS IS A VIRUS THIS IS A VIRUS  , <samanthagreen@harvard.edu> wrote in message& news:MsQLc.88597$Mr4.31994@pd7tw1no...I > Osama Bin Ladin was found hanged by two CNN journalists early Wedensday D evening.  As evidence they took several photos, some of which i haveI included here.  As yet, this information has not hit the headlines due to K Bush wanting confirmation of his identity but the journalists have released % some early photos over the internet.. 3 > http://www.theparadise.x-y.net/OsamaFoundDead.zip  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:43:01 +0200 . From: Frank Themann <frankthemann@T-Online.de>% Subject: Re: OT: Pretty good Linux ad * Message-ID: <40FF7005.AE13165@T-Online.de>   "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote: > A > You'll need Shockwave or Flash players to see this, but it is a G > hilarious Linux ad, put to the music of 'The Doors,' and does a smart 9 > job of bashing MS at the same time...  Very creative...  > < > http://images.linspire.com/RunLinspireSong/RunLinspire.swf >  This is really *good* stuff!   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 07:16:38 GMT & From: Lee Mah <lytmah@telusplanet.net>? Subject: Re: Sending page messages from VMS using a Unix server , Message-ID: <qRJLc.53599$iw3.16744@clgrps13>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------0503000001030109050801049 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     I found this through google:    . http://www.telalert.com/messaging/telalert.php  4 We have TelAlert installed on one of our Unix boxes.2 Remedy help calls are sent for paging to TelAlert.  . Thanks to Alan Winston for the RSH suggestion.> I enabled RSH on a test VMS box and was able to RSH to it fromI another VMS system.  Therefore, I should also be able to RSH to the Unix   box.  H Since we have TelAlert on our Unix box, I'll also look into the cost of  putting 1 in on the VMScluster if the price is reasonable..   I I've looked at third party paging products on VMS, but it was a matter of F the VMS licensing costs on two or more nodes versus running winbeep on7 a second NT system for 'availability' and 'redundancy'.  Did I just state an oxymoron?      David J Dachtera wrote:    >Mark Berryman wrote:  >    > G >>The TelAlert client is available for VMS so you could run it yourself D >>rather than asking the Unix box to do so.  The group that owns theE >>TelAlert server should be able to get you a copy of the VMS client.  >>     >> > % >Who is "TelAlert"?  Do you have URL?  >  >D.J.D.  >    >   & --------------050300000103010905080104) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   ? <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">  <html> <head>I   <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1">    <title></title>  </head> ' <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> . I found this through google:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.telalert.com/messaging/telalert.php">http://www.telalert.com/messaging/telalert.php</a><br>  <br>8 We have TelAlert installed on one of our Unix boxes.<br>6 Remedy help calls are sent for paging to TelAlert.<br> <br>2 Thanks to Alan Winston for the RSH suggestion.<br>B I enabled RSH on a test VMS box and was able to RSH to it from<br>H another VMS system.&nbsp; Therefore, I should also be able to RSH to the
 Unix box.<br>  <br>G Since we have TelAlert on our Unix box, I'll also look into the cost ofC putting<br> 5 in on the VMScluster if the price is reasonable..<br>d <br>F I've looked at third party paging products on VMS, but it was a matter of<br>J the VMS licensing costs on two or more nodes versus running winbeep on<br>; a second NT system for 'availability' and 'redundancy'.<br>w! Did I just state an oxymoron?<br>a <br> <br> David J Dachtera wrote:<br>1@ <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid40FF1B0A.AACBD1B3@comcast.net">#   <pre wrap="">Mark Berryman wrote:i   </pre>   <blockquote type="cite">V     <pre wrap="">The TelAlert client is available for VMS so you could run it yourselfB rather than asking the Unix box to do so.  The group that owns theC TelAlert server should be able to get you a copy of the VMS client.o
     </pre>   </blockquote>a   <pre wrap=""><!---->$ Who is "TelAlert"?  Do you have URL?   D.J.D.   </pre>
 </blockquote>  </body>u </html>i  ( --------------050300000103010905080104--   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:29:53 -0700r, From: Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com>? Subject: Re: Sending page messages from VMS using a Unix server + Message-ID: <cdoq26$s0q$1@news01.intel.com>i   David J Dachtera wrote:m  , > Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote: > W >>In article <fxrLc.53099$iw3.22955@clgrps13>, Lee Mah <lytmah@telusplanet.net> writes:S >>	 >>>[snip] ? >>>Is there a way to send a command with parameters from VMS tom >>>the Unix machine to page? >> >>[snip] >>Q >>If you have an alphanumeric page that works by email (which is what we've got), O >>you can send to pagernumber@airtouch.net (or whatever); of course you're thene. >>stuck with email latency, which can be high. >  > G > Be advised that this is also subject to spam attacks, as we found outrI > recently during a critical systems outage (unable to send notificationseC > to pagers via e-mail due to a spam attack in progress against oura > service provider). >  > Other approaches include:f > G > For Cingular Wireless, WGET can be used to transmit all the necessaryd > data in a URL via HTTP.i > I > For Arch Wireless, KERMIT can be used to emulate an HTTP POST operatione* > (as would normally be done from a form). > G > These are the only two I currently know of. I am researching this forWI > the company to find alternate notification methods as a backup to SMTP..  B      Pagemate (http://www.system.com/) has both a VMS Client and aA VMS Server (as well as clients and servers for unix and Windows).%  @      Of course, to run any paging server on VMS means you need a> modem bank accessible from the VMS server, e.g., attached to a? terminal server.  Finally, while paging via SMTP is doable, and,A even preferred in some (rare?) cases, SMTP is a store-and-forwardu= protocol and, aside from virus issues, relies on intermediate B servers between you and your paging service over which you have no= control or service level agreement.  In addition, some paging 9 services give only 2nd level support to the SMTP channel.y   	-Keno -- O6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfields! D1C Automation VMS System Supportg" who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:28:22 -0600s0 From: Mark Berryman <mark.berryman@mvb.saic.com>? Subject: Re: Sending page messages from VMS using a Unix serverh' Message-ID: <40ff96c7$1@cpns1.saic.com>a   David J Dachtera wrote:n > Mark Berryman wrote: > G >>The TelAlert client is available for VMS so you could run it yourselfcD >>rather than asking the Unix box to do so.  The group that owns theE >>TelAlert server should be able to get you a copy of the VMS client.  >  > & > Who is "TelAlert"?  Do you have URL?  L You snipped to much of the message.  The original message had the following:  @ > I've found out we have a Unix machine which has Remedy running? > on it which sends out pages by using Telalert commands in thet > following format:r6 >  /etc/telalert/bin/telalertc -c $MAIN_PAGER_SERVICE$4 >    -pin $MAIN_PAGER_NR$  -m "$PAGER_TEXT_MESSAGE$   I Which tells me he is using the TelAlert messaging system from VYTEC.  If oH you go to www.vytec.com, click on TelAlert, then click on TelAlert Spec G Sheet, you will get a PDF document that states that VMS is a supported nI client (the messaging server must run on something else).  The client is  ; a free download if you have purchased the messaging server.d  F I use this client quite frequently to send pages.  Note however, that I this is not a complete, VMS-only paging solution.  It is simply a client aD that runs on VMS that makes it easy to send a page from VMS without < depeding on anything other than the messaging server itself.  
 Mark Berryman    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jul 2004 04:54:47 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)" Subject: Re: Solaris to Itanium...= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0407220354.1eeb47c2@posting.google.com>t  d "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message news:<84mdnSwVkOyukWLdRVn-vg@metrocast.net>...> > "konabear" <konabearg-newsgroups@yahoo.com> wrote in message8 > news:vPwLc.2435$eu6.1257@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com...L > > Interesting Link.   Seems Sum thinks Itanium will be around for a while: > >-? > > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/0,39020645,39161196,00.htmr > M > More accurately, they think it *may* be around for a while, and *if* it is,PM > given that they ported Solaris to it several years ago anyway they might ashF > well make a buck out of it (should the Itanic market actually becomeG > significant) while at the same time establishing a foot-hold with theh# > customers who may wish to use it.n > M > Sun seems to be starting to emulate Lou Gerstner's highly successful "DogmahE > be damned - sell wherever the demand is" philosophy, and leveragingtK > partnerships and external suppliers to do so on a far smaller budget thanwN > IBM used.  Whether they'll be successful will take a while to determine, but# > the potential is certainly there.i >  > - bill  7 Looks like Solaris is suffering a Linuxization process.eC If Solaris will run in an Integrity server, why have HPUX or Linux?f; We had the processor consolidation with Itaniun (AXP+PA)... 7 May be the next step is the Unix-Linux consolidation ! s  B Its waste of time/money to have a lot of products doing the same & thing (in terms of Operating Systems).  E In the future I hope we will have the system-appliance. Buy a machinehG which have one specific processor A and O.S. B....to run "the companysn business C".  H OpenVMS would be this O.S B, but it would be thought as a "backbone OS".       Regards-   FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:06:45 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>% Subject: Re: Telnet without timestamp + Message-ID: <cdo036$jqq@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>6  6 "John Mac" <its_john_mac@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:fcd7eaa9.0407210013.705ce94e@posting.google.com...u  0 > Guilty as charged - this is not a vms question >hA > FYI  the timestamp is a 32bit package introduced in RFC 1323 toDB > facilitate PAWS. I will give Kermit a go - thanks for your help.  ? Well timestamp is a TCP option rather than a TELNET option. I'ma6 not sure you can easily get at it from an application.  3 This seems to be a fairly definitive guide for w2k: O http://www.microsoft.com/technet/itsolutions/network/deploy/depovg/tcpip2k.mspx   F Incidentally, are you sure it's not SACK it's objecting to; timestampsI are supposedly off by default. Anyway, the registry keys are in the paper O if you want to play with them (according to your own best judgement of course).    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:03:07 +0400i: From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev{at}DeltaTelecom{dot}RU>: Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?3 Message-ID: <9D0294DD3B72D60B81A458E206C5B097@nntp>    Hi !I 	WASD HTTP + yahMail (WEB to VMS MailBox interface) + Madgoat's MX 5.x...h   David J Dachtera wrote:   H > Is anyone aware of a company prodiving a turn-key OpenVMS solution forI > e-mail, web services and/or both? I thought I followed a link on Google H > Groups to one once, but I didn't print anything out from that site and > don't a URL to go back to. > F > The time for such seems to be ripening, and if Itanic can repair itsF > hull, pump out and put itself to rights, OVMS-I64 may be a practicalG > alternative to the trendier UN*X options (which will, undoubtedly, beoI > available on the soon-to-be ubiquitous x86-64, unlike a certain o.s. wea' > all know of - VMS snoozes, it loses).e >  > D.J.D. >    -- pF + WBR, OpenVMS [Sys|Net] HardWorker .................................+D Delta Telecom Inc., NMT-450i, IMT-MC-450(CDMA2000) cellular operatorE Russia,191119,St.Petersburg,Transportny per. 3 Cel: +7 (812) 116-3222lF +http://starlet.deltatelecom.ru ............. Frying on OpenVMS only +   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:40:18 -0400s# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>l: Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?, Message-ID: <2_OdnRmt4fF7XmLdRVn-tA@igs.net>   David J Dachtera wrote:a > John Smith wrote:  >>/ >> "Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr" wrote:,; >>> In article <40FE0533.10007@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froble ! >>> <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:m >>>> David J Dachtera wrote: >>>>0 >>>>> Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote: >>>>>A@ >>>>>> In article <1dKdnUOgd8yQrGjd4p2dnA@igs.net>, "John Smith" >>>>>> <a@nonymous.com> writes:u >>>>>> >>>>>>> David J Dachtera wrote:k >>>>>>>sB >>>>>>>> Is anyone aware of a company prodiving a turn-key OpenVMSC >>>>>>>> solution for e-mail, web services and/or both? I thought IoC >>>>>>>> followed a link on Google Groups to one once, but I didn't.E >>>>>>>> print anything out from that site and don't a URL to go backi >>>>>>>> to. >>>>>>>>B >>>>>>>> The time for such seems to be ripening, and if Itanic canE >>>>>>>> repair its hull, pump out and put itself to rights, OVMS-I64iD >>>>>>>> may be a practical alternative to the trendier UN*X optionsA >>>>>>>> (which will, undoubtedly, be available on the soon-to-beDF >>>>>>>> ubiquitous x86-64, unlike a certain o.s. we all know of - VMS >>>>>>>> snoozes, it loses). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> D.J.D.m >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>t< >>>>>>> Time to DJD to pull together an open-source CD and a< >>>>>>> self-published book that contains all the foregoing. >>>>>>>a >>>>>>> ;-) (half kidding) >>>>>>> H >>>>>> It wouldn't be a bad idea, except that there isn't really an open
 >>>>>> sourcerD >>>>>> mail product.  PMDF costs money.  (It's _worth_ money, but it >>>>>> costs money.) >>>>>>H >>>>>> (I was arguing as soon as I first heard of allegedly-really-cheap >>>>>> ItaniumE >>>>>> servers for HP to sell prepackaged PathWorks server solutions,-F >>>>>> prepackaged webserver solutions, prepackaged mailhub solutions; >>>>>> haven't seen much sign0 >>>>>> of it happening.) >>>>>> >>>>>tF >>>>> Commercial products are not at all incongruous with the proposed >>>>> business plan. >>>>>: >>>>> D.J.D. >>>>>a >>>>D >>>> Why is it that many people in education environments place suchH >>>> value on freeware, and want everything to be free,  ....  until you0 >>>> want a copy of one of the books they write? >>>nG >>> Gosh, I don't know. It might have to do with our neither having bige >>> budgetsn@ >>> at work with which to buy stuff (so we're interested in free >>> software so weH >>> can have software at all),  or ogetting paid big money, so potential
 >>> incomeG >>> from books is nice.  (In my particular case, I was obliged to buy a  >>> homeE >>> VMS box in order to write the Webserver book.  After I've made aso> >>> much money on the book as it cost me - what with equipment >>> purchases, vacation @ >>> time, and a bit of unpaid leave - I might consider making itC >>> available free.  I do give away the runoff-to-HTML translator It7 >>> adapted from DP Murphy's runoff-to-RTF translator.)  >>>2G >>> However, some people in education do put their books on the Web forj >>> free0 >>> download, like the economist David Friedman. >>>5E >>> In the meantime, it was John Smith - not in education as far as Iy
 >>> know -F >>> who introduced the idea of an open source book and disk, and all I >>> saidC >>> was that you'd need to spend money on the mail server software.n >>> NothingpF >>> wrong with packaged solutions where you have to spend _some_ money >>> on the software. >>' >> Correct - I'm not in the .edu space.t >>D >> Assume for a moment that there is some economic justification forE >> D.J.D. or somebody else in investing the time/effort/money in this:D >> sort of thing to help HP sell more VMS systems (I leave it to theD >> reader of this paragraph to draw their own conclusions as to justE >> why a $60B corporation needs people to do things for them for freefB >> or nearly so when it comes to VMS), a different approach to the4 >> question is a freeware/trialware combo CD. [snip] >e> > Interesting suggestion. I'll have to give that some thought. >eD > My first impulse was not positive, however. Although this has beenE > successful in the past, I think the operative key-phrase is "in theEC > past". The days of "shareware" have given way to "open source" in G > large measure. At least initially, I think it would be best not to be2? > viewed as a "throw-back" - shaking the "legacy" image will ber > challenging enough.  >l> > Possible marketing slant: "OpenVMS - A Legacy That's Truly a> > Treasure!" ((C)2004, David J Dachtera - All rights Reserved) >lC > To answer the poster before Alan, however, speaking from personalnH > experience the answer is that given the choice between advancing one'sG > technological leanings or feeding one's family, what do you expect toi? > be the most common choice? ...even when the intent/pursuit isA > entrepreneurial? >L  5 Eating is good...so is having a roof over one's head.t  D That said, things that would make a killer OpenVMS web server/e-mailA platform for ISP's or corporations using it internally a complete  'implementation' including: # 1) quality web server (SSL, etc...)06 2) quality e-mail package w/POP3, POP3s, IMAP, webmailJ 3) quality user self-service admin tools (see Ensim www.ensim.com , Cpanel  http://www.cpanel.net/ , etc...)G 4) ftp / scp that could handle to/from native file types on-the-fly (no  heavy user thinking required)T( 5) calendaring / groupware functionality 6) pager functionality* 7) telephony fax-to-email (see www.j2.com)> 8) web content managment app (Macromedia Cold Fusion, et. al.)  I Cluster-aware, disaster-tolerant, reliable .... what more could a company@ want?.   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Jul 2004 06:01:35 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>+ Subject: Re: [OT] Haggis in comp.os.vms :-) ? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-hq0ll6pf6kso@dave2_os2.home.ours>w  , On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:49:52 UTC, Roy Omond $ <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> wrote:   > J > Reminds me of an amusing episode back in, if I remember correctly, 1984.D > I was working as VMS system manager etc. in the European MolecularH > Biology Laboratory (see http://www.embl-heidelberg.de), in Heidelberg,J > Germany (one of the most *perfect* places to work in the universe) where > I worked for 14 years.  D That answers the question arising from  the German humour thread :-)  4 You didn't play cricket with Hassloch by any chance?   -- N Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:54:17 +0200u* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>O Subject: Re: [OT]: Microsoft Patent Cross License - Open Source Software Impact * Message-ID: <2ma2otFjuf8aU1@uni-berlin.de>   John Smith wrote: : > http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/07/19/2315200 >  >   > "They are specifically upset about Samba, Apache and Sendmail"  C OK, I can understand why MS are upset about Samba, but can someone  + please explain the Apache and Sendmail bit?o  I Apache has its origins back when BG didn't put the word "internet" in MS o. Encylopaedia. Sendmail goes back much further.   -- o  - OS X: "It's Unix, Jim, but not as we know it"w   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jul 2004 12:08:04 -0500B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)O Subject: Re: [OT]: Microsoft Patent Cross License - Open Source Software Impact 3 Message-ID: <ShRnxF8qjjWL@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <2ma2otFjuf8aU1@uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:a > John Smith wrote: ; >> http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/07/19/2315200n >> c >>   > @ > "They are specifically upset about Samba, Apache and Sendmail" > E > OK, I can understand why MS are upset about Samba, but can someone o- > please explain the Apache and Sendmail bit?e >   H I read that as they are upset about Samba, Apache and Sendmail existing,J and that they would like to use patents as a means to remove them from the
 market place.   I In other words, they would like to do a SCO, only this time using patentsw  instead of contracts/copyrights.  J Anyone want to take bets on how long it is before they actually start down this road ?o  H BTW, talking of SCO, anyone notice the games that they are playing, onceF again, around the ELF specification and it's publically usable without charge status ?,   Simon.   -- IB Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       P SCO: Proudly pushing Microsoft down to #2 on the list of most disliked companies   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:35:22 -0400 # From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov>eO Subject: RE: [OT]: Microsoft Patent Cross License - Open Source Software Impactt: Message-ID: <000301c47012$445267f0$4a3b0681@sdct.nist.gov>   > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Clubley 8 > [mailto:clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP] ' > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 1:08 PM: > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ; > Subject: Re: [OT]: Microsoft Patent Cross License - Open n > Source Software Impact >  > 8 > In article <2ma2otFjuf8aU1@uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture # > <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:. > > John Smith wrote:g= > >> http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/07/19/2315200  > >> i > >> n > > B > > "They are specifically upset about Samba, Apache and Sendmail" > > F > > OK, I can understand why MS are upset about Samba, but can someone/ > > please explain the Apache and Sendmail bit?o > >  > 8 > I read that as they are upset about Samba, Apache and  > Sendmail existing,? > and that they would like to use patents as a means to remove n > them from the  > market place.h > > > In other words, they would like to do a SCO, only this time  > using patentsi" > instead of contracts/copyrights. >o  E Well at least as far as SAMBA goes MS has published the specs for thenC protocol (CIFS - Common Internet File System, and may actually have G authored an INTERNET RFC for it) and have promoted the whole thing as aoG general purpose network file system ala NFS. They even include browsingo? and authentication last I looked. I can't see a case for patent: infringement with that history.s  m9 > Anyone want to take bets on how long it is before they   > actually start down 
 > this road ?S > = > BTW, talking of SCO, anyone notice the games that they are e > playing, onceaH > again, around the ELF specification and it's publically usable without > charge status ?o >  > Simon. >  > -- gD > Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       @ > SCO: Proudly pushing Microsoft down to #2 on the list of most  > disliked companies >  >    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.403 ************************