1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 23 Jul 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 404       Contents:" Re: downloading a VMS distribution" Re: downloading a VMS distribution" Re: downloading a VMS distribution" Re: downloading a VMS distribution" Re: downloading a VMS distribution" Re: downloading a VMS distribution" Re: downloading a VMS distribution" Re: downloading a VMS distribution" Re: downloading a VMS distribution" Re: downloading a VMS distribution" Re: downloading a VMS distribution" Re: downloading a VMS distribution! Re: DVDwrite Version 4.0 released # Encouraging programming on OpenVMS? ' Re: Encouraging programming on OpenVMS?  IDE card in older Alphastation? # Re: IDE card in older Alphastation? # Re: IDE card in older Alphastation? , Re: Installing Java141 creating directories.7 Re: Is it possible to route or tunnel the SCS protocol? - Re: Itanium Licensing and Hobbyist on Itanium $ Re: Just curious about MAXPROCESSCNT Re: Looking for a Video Card" Re: MSL SDLT tape library - DLT IV. Re: MSL5000 tape Library in a hetrogeneous SAN. Re: MSL5000 tape Library in a hetrogeneous SAN OpenVMS restarts while install" Re: OpenVMS restarts while install" Re: OpenVMS restarts while install Re: OT: Pretty good Linux ad Re: OT: Pretty good Linux ad Re: OT: Pretty good Linux ad Re: Pathwork problems 6 Re: Sending page messages from VMS using a Unix server6 Re: Sending page messages from VMS using a Unix server6 Re: Sending page messages from VMS using a Unix server Re: Solaris to Itanium...  Re: Solaris to Itanium...  Re: Solaris to Itanium...  Re: Solaris to Itanium...  Re: Solaris to Itanium...  Re: Solaris to Itanium... * Re: Some question in BASEstar application?1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? 1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? 1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? 1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? 1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? 1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? 1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? / [OT]: Legacy system - 65 years of compatibility 3 Re: [OT]: Legacy system - 65 years of compatibility F RE: [OT]: Microsoft Patent Cross License - Open Source Software ImpactF RE: [OT]: Microsoft Patent Cross License - Open Source Software Impact  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:52:18 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> + Subject: Re: downloading a VMS distribution , Message-ID: <40FFFED0.9191E2B5@teksavvy.com>   Andrew Walters wrote: < > Is there anywhere I can go to plug in a member-id, licence= > number and whatever else (except credit-card #) to download   > (gasp) a VMS distrib that way?  Y Think about how you will load the VMS distribution to make it available to the VAX/Alpha.   G When you have a empty VAX/ALPHA, you need to have some recognized media L available to the console so you can boot from it. (either standalone backup,; or in case of alpha, a minimal version of VMS from the CD).   M And also consider problems that may arise later on where having the trustable  CD will greatly help you.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:20:17 GMT ) From: Andrew Walters <awxrt001@yahoo.com> + Subject: Re: downloading a VMS distribution 8 Message-ID: <BzTLc.157$v37.8@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>   JF Mezei wrote:   L > Think about how you will load the VMS distribution to make it available to > the VAX/Alpha. > I > When you have a empty VAX/ALPHA, you need to have some recognized media F > available to the console so you can boot from it. (either standaloneE > backup, or in case of alpha, a minimal version of VMS from the CD).   F I'm using simh under FreeBSD system. [heresy! burn the witch! :-)] TheH distribution media would be attached as an ISO file held on the disc (orK native CD-ROM, if desired) presented by the simulator as a CD-ROM device to  the emulated OS.  I I'd love to acquire DEC hardware (a vt220 for nostalgia purposes) but its J scarceness, comparably greater power consumption and the appreciable speedB at which emulators can now run makes it unnecessary. [heresy! etc]  H A virtual-VAX can have any hardware one wants without actually having toI acquire it. This scuppers the excitement (and disappointment) afforded by I scouting out devices in the 3d-world but the virtual hardware is at least F (virtually) guaranteed to work, thanks to the sterling efforts of fine people like Mr. Supnik.   E > And also consider problems that may arise later on where having the % > trustable CD will greatly help you.   F I can make a compressed copy of a fully installed system disc in a fewA minutes with bzip and set it aside. If something goes wrong I can = uncompress the image back in place and restart the simulator.   K CD's have a limited lifespan. I have several burned 3-4 years ago stored in J a dark box under constant room temperature and untouched until I needed toI restore from them. Out of almost twenty that I burned and verified at the G time, five are now failing. Law 2 of thermodynamics. Naturally the five F that are failing have some of the choicest of my software archives on. Sigh.    :-)    --  relax and enjoy your shoes    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jul 2004 16:52:53 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) + Subject: Re: downloading a VMS distribution 3 Message-ID: <uciTuukpwBnl@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <heSLc.95145$CN5.27@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>, Andrew Walters <awxrt001@yahoo.com> writes:  > William Webb wrote:  > A >> Post your location along with a polite request for assistance.  >>    I >> Someone might let you borrow their kit, or at least agree to bring one ! >> by so you could do an install.  > > > I appreciate the sentiment, but I don't do open addresses in? > newsgroups for the same reason that most of us don't hand out = > slips of paper with our details to strangers in the street.   F I generally try to keep my privacy, but for purposes of narrowing downI the chances of meeting with someone I often mention my country and state.    ------------------------------   Date: 22 Jul 2004 22:23:45 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com + Subject: Re: downloading a VMS distribution , Message-ID: <cdpeph02l6a@enews1.newsguy.com>  * Andrew Walters <awxrt001@yahoo.com> wrote:K > I'd love to acquire DEC hardware (a vt220 for nostalgia purposes) but its L > scarceness, comparably greater power consumption and the appreciable speedD > at which emulators can now run makes it unnecessary. [heresy! etc]  G All three of these statements are incorrect.  It is very easy to obtain G hardware that will run VMS faster, and use less power than a PC running  SIMH.    		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:16:07 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> + Subject: Re: downloading a VMS distribution ' Message-ID: <41004AB7.7020706@MMaz.com>    healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:  + >Andrew Walters <awxrt001@yahoo.com> wrote:  >    > K >>I'd love to acquire DEC hardware (a vt220 for nostalgia purposes) but its L >>scarceness, comparably greater power consumption and the appreciable speedD >>at which emulators can now run makes it unnecessary. [heresy! etc] >>     >>H >All three of these statements are incorrect.  It is very easy to obtainH >hardware that will run VMS faster, and use less power than a PC running >SIMH. >  >    > @ SIMH yes, CHARON-VAX, no.  From a hobbyist perspective, you are E absolutely correct in that you can cheaply acquire a VAX 4000 series  F system for practically nothing, as well as low end Alpha's if that is G the need, but if you are looking for a commercial VAX solution, CHARON  E is the only game out there and if you need Alpha, well that is still  D current product with HP as they haven't managed to kill it off this  week, right?     Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jul 2004 16:51:32 -07000 From: chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk (Chris Doran)+ Subject: Re: downloading a VMS distribution = Message-ID: <948f0720.0407221551.2ecbf121@posting.google.com>   l Andrew Walters <awxrt001@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<heSLc.95145$CN5.27@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>... > William Webb wrote:  > B > > Post your location along with a polite request for assistance. > >   J > > Someone might let you borrow their kit, or at least agree to bring one" > > by so you could do an install. > > > I appreciate the sentiment, but I don't do open addresses in? > newsgroups for the same reason that most of us don't hand out = > slips of paper with our details to strangers in the street.  >  > :-)   E We aren't asking for your full address -- that would be dealt with by B private e-mail -- the country and maybe state/city will do. With aC .com e-mail address it isn't even clear which _planet_ you're on. I E for one will therefore assume you're in the USA, Earth, and that it's E impractical to offer you a kit (I only have out-of-date ones anyway).    Chris (London, UK)   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 23:54:01 GMT ) From: Andrew Walters <awxrt001@yahoo.com> + Subject: Re: downloading a VMS distribution : Message-ID: <tsYLc.630$AY5.510@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>   healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:  , > Andrew Walters <awxrt001@yahoo.com> wrote:L >> I'd love to acquire DEC hardware (a vt220 for nostalgia purposes) but itsG >> scarceness, comparably greater power consumption and the appreciable K >> speed at which emulators can now run makes it unnecessary. [heresy! etc]  > I > All three of these statements are incorrect.  It is very easy to obtain I > hardware that will run VMS faster, and use less power than a PC running  > SIMH.   I Your refutation may score you personal victory points but hasn't educated  anyone.   L Can you offer examples that substantiate your argument? Where might one findK the hardware? How much might it cost? What kind of benchmark ratings can it J offer? Are spares still being made or is it down to hobbyists to warehouse+ and sell it? I'm genuinely curious to know.   I My admittedly cursory investigations turn up some sites that resell Alpha I stuff for considerably more than I paid for my car. All the stuff that is K really cheap are things like old multias for $400 with small amounts of RAM $ and (comparatively) low-speed CPU's.  H For the flexibility and price, a PC running all the other stuff and alsoJ emulating DEC hardware simultaneously works out very competitively. It hasJ a small footprint and finding parts for it is easy because it is virtuallyG ubiquitous. If I can run FreeBSD and host Plan 9, VMS and RSTS/E at the F same time and still surf the web using KDE and Mozilla under X11 then,J without intending offence to hobbyists, I'm enjoying all three worlds from, a single box that consumes around 200 watts.   :-)      --  relax and enjoy your shoes    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 00:01:10 GMT ) From: Andrew Walters <awxrt001@yahoo.com> + Subject: Re: downloading a VMS distribution = Message-ID: <9zYLc.95257$_H.34122@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>    Chris Doran wrote:  C > .com e-mail address it isn't even clear which _planet_ you're on.   $ Pzrkynfbl df alpqm nzxuba qp quyrwe!  G Or, as we say in your language, "it took earth a long time to notice we  connected to their internet!"     --   relax and enjoy your shoes   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:51:04 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>+ Subject: Re: downloading a VMS distribution + Message-ID: <410060F8.92E83960@comcast.net>    Andrew Walters wrote:  >  > William Webb wrote:  > B > > Post your location along with a polite request for assistance. > > J > > Someone might let you borrow their kit, or at least agree to bring one" > > by so you could do an install. > > > I appreciate the sentiment, but I don't do open addresses in? > newsgroups for the same reason that most of us don't hand out = > slips of paper with our details to strangers in the street.    Don't need your address.  = For example, I am in suburban Chicago, IL. Are you near here?    D.J.D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 01:18:16 GMT ) From: Andrew Walters <awxrt001@yahoo.com> + Subject: Re: downloading a VMS distribution : Message-ID: <sHZLc.648$AY5.561@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>   David J Dachtera wrote:    > Don't need your address. > ? > For example, I am in suburban Chicago, IL. Are you near here?   8 Only cosmologically. I'm in NoCal (Northern California).  1 [Tofu. Yeah. Coffee that is mainly air. Woo. etc]    --  relax and enjoy your shoes    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 03:58:28 GMT 5 From: brad@rabbit.dnsalias.org (Bradford J. Hamilton) + Subject: Re: downloading a VMS distribution - Message-ID: <A10Mc.147361$JR4.1144@attbi_s54>   f In article <tsYLc.630$AY5.510@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, Andrew Walters <awxrt001@yahoo.com> writes: !healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:  ! - !> Andrew Walters <awxrt001@yahoo.com> wrote: M !>> I'd love to acquire DEC hardware (a vt220 for nostalgia purposes) but its H !>> scarceness, comparably greater power consumption and the appreciableL !>> speed at which emulators can now run makes it unnecessary. [heresy! etc] !>  J !> All three of these statements are incorrect.  It is very easy to obtainJ !> hardware that will run VMS faster, and use less power than a PC running !> SIMH. ! J !Your refutation may score you personal victory points but hasn't educated !anyone. ! M !Can you offer examples that substantiate your argument? Where might one find L !the hardware? How much might it cost? What kind of benchmark ratings can itK !offer? Are spares still being made or is it down to hobbyists to warehouse , !and sell it? I'm genuinely curious to know. ! J !My admittedly cursory investigations turn up some sites that resell AlphaJ !stuff for considerably more than I paid for my car. All the stuff that isL !really cheap are things like old multias for $400 with small amounts of RAM% !and (comparatively) low-speed CPU's.   A I'm not Zane, but I'm replying from an Alpha that I purchased at:   % http://www.islandco.com/alphapws.html   J I bought a PWS433au, put more memory and larger disks in, and I've been asO happy as a clam since 1999! (Thanks, Dave!).  I've not needed to replace a part I (these boxes are _extremely_ rugged and well-built) in that time, and the J system only goes down when _I_ want it to (or when the local power company; decides that my neighborhood doesn't need electricity	:-)).    !snip!  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own" K bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-'  0                                          with @"   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 04:47:52 GMT ) From: Andrew Walters <awxrt001@yahoo.com> + Subject: Re: downloading a VMS distribution : Message-ID: <YL0Mc.698$AY5.638@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>   Bradford J. Hamilton wrote:   1 > I'm replying from an Alpha that I purchased at:  > ' > http://www.islandco.com/alphapws.html  > L > I bought a PWS433au, put more memory and larger disks in, and I've been asL > happy as a clam since 1999! (Thanks, Dave!).  I've not needed to replace aL > part (these boxes are _extremely_ rugged and well-built) in that time, andH > the system only goes down when _I_ want it to (or when the local powerE > company decides that my neighborhood doesn't need electricity :-)).   G Hmmm, price comparable to that of an intEl server - and it doesn't come J preinfect...ahem...preloaded with windaz so no Gates tax on top! CertainlyJ with more mem and a whopping disc array (spider does a lot of crawling) it could be a tempting setup.  H Have the benchmarking wars long since subsided or do they still flare up every now and again?   Thanks for the link.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:49:04 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>* Subject: Re: DVDwrite Version 4.0 released+ Message-ID: <41006080.613004DA@comcast.net>    dieter rossbach wrote: > E > It would be nice to have a list with maximum file sizes for virtual 8 > disk as a comtainer for the various CD and DVD-Formats >  > The only thing i found was:  >  > CD 74 minutes: 1331976 blocks   > CD 60 minutes: 1133976 blocks. >  > who knows more?   D If you know the maximum size of the media in megabytes or gigabytes, simply apply this knowledge:   1MB = 2048 blocks of 512 bytes. ( 1GB = (2048 * 1024) blocks of 512 bytes.  G In both cases, round DOWN to the nearest multiple of four, if necessary  (shouldn't be?).   Thus:    650MB = 1331200  700MB = 1433600   5 These are for CD-R. Don't have DVD-R info. available.    D.J.D.   D.J.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 00:18:41 -0400 3 From: Undisclosed <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com> , Subject: Encouraging programming on OpenVMS?0 Message-ID: <hdWdnRGJys8wDJ3cRVn-ow@comcast.com>  F one of the reasons both Unix and Windows have done so well is because D they have positively encouraged development for their systems (Unix E being more of a programmer's toolkit in the beginning and to certain  G degrees to this day, and Windows having a strong development community  H inherited from DOS/Microcomputer days and since enhanced by Microsoft's F actions, to the point where the only real reason they don't give away I all of their entry-level development tools for free is fear of antitrust  
 prosecution.)   B in contrast, most new OpenVMS programs I've seen are in actuality  Unix/POSIX ports to OpenVMS.  E I get the impression there is not a strong development community for   OpenVMS.  G if you were put in charge of a special department in HP that was given  I relatively free reign to do what is needed to develop a strong developer   community for OpenVMS...   how would you do it?  I here are some of my thoughts in general on how to encourage development,   not OVMS specific...  H 1. developers need a relatively cheap system to initally develop on and G to get a programmer "hooked" on a OS.. this includes both hardware and  G software. Apple runs hardware discounts for developers to offset their  , higher than PC hardware costs, for instance.  H 2. there should be room for both commerical and open-source programmers A for the platform, although any proprietary platform will be less  G attractive to open-source developers and should take that into account.   F 3. There should be a sense of community among the programmers for the 	 platform.    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jul 2004 23:43:36 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 0 Subject: Re: Encouraging programming on OpenVMS?3 Message-ID: <dXIF37Fi39nV@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <hdWdnRGJys8wDJ3cRVn-ow@comcast.com>, Undisclosed <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com> writes:  J > 1. developers need a relatively cheap system to initally develop on and I > to get a programmer "hooked" on a OS.. this includes both hardware and  I > software. Apple runs hardware discounts for developers to offset their  . > higher than PC hardware costs, for instance.  6 Having participated in both, the VMS deals are better.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:52:35 +0000 ) From: "Lord Xenu" <lord_xenu@hotmail.com> ( Subject: IDE card in older Alphastation?5 Message-ID: <BAY1-F290r2Iv5X2QgG00072de3@hotmail.com>   C Are there any third party PCI IDE cards that will work on an older   Alphastation 255, so I canL use an extra 60gig IDE drive I have rather than the 2 gig SCSI drive I have  now?
 VMS 7.3-1.  D I'll keep the SCSI drive as a boot/system disk, just want some room.   -x  A _________________________________________________________________ 9 STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*  + http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail    ------------------------------   Date: 22 Jul 2004 21:17:36 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com , Subject: Re: IDE card in older Alphastation?, Message-ID: <cdpatg021p2@enews4.newsguy.com>  ( Lord Xenu <lord_xenu@hotmail.com> wrote:E > Are there any third party PCI IDE cards that will work on an older   > Alphastation 255, so I canN > use an extra 60gig IDE drive I have rather than the 2 gig SCSI drive I have  > now? > VMS 7.3-1.  F > I'll keep the SCSI drive as a boot/system disk, just want some room.  L What you need instead of a PCI IDE card is an IDE-to-SCSI converter board, II think ACARD makes them.  They allow you to plug a IDE card into your SCSI L bus.  You might want to invest in a VMS compatible UW-SCSI card though, as I/ believe the AlphaStation 255's are Narrow SCSI.    		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:38:44 -0400 2 From: "Paul A. Jacobi" <Paul.Jacobi@nospam.hp.com>, Subject: Re: IDE card in older Alphastation?, Message-ID: <4100343f$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  4 "Lord Xenu" <lord_xenu@hotmail.com> wrote in message/ news:BAY1-F290r2Iv5X2QgG00072de3@hotmail.com... D > Are there any third party PCI IDE cards that will work on an older > Alphastation 255, so I canH > use an extra 60gig IDE drive I have rather than the 2 gig SCSI drive I have > now? > VMS 7.3-1.  L I seem to remember us playing around with CMD PCI-IDE card (CMD640?).  ThereJ was some changes to the DQDRIVER made so that it gets the device CSRs fromH PCI config space for plug-in card.  For embedded PCI IDE controllers theJ driver used the ISA addresses.  There may have been some autoconfigurationK problem with configuring the third and fourth port that may or may not have  been fixed.   J I can't guarantee if it will work on the AS255, but I would start with the, CMD card and the latest version of DQDRIVER.     Paul A. Jacobi OpenVMS Systems group 
 Nashua, NH   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:47:08 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)5 Subject: Re: Installing Java141 creating directories. 0 Message-ID: <newscache$5gw91i$qbw$1@news.sil.at>   In article <craigberry-1820AA.10513122072004@news-east.dca.giganews.com>, "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler> writes:3 >Note that java 1.4.2-2 is now the current version.    But not for Tomcat ;-)H Tomcat came out before JAVA142 and so it doesn't test for its existance.M Fix SYS$COMMON:[APACHE.JAKARTA.KIT]APACHE$JAKARTA_CONFIG.COM yourself easily.    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:26:22 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>@ Subject: Re: Is it possible to route or tunnel the SCS protocol?+ Message-ID: <41005B2D.65EC6AAF@comcast.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > David J Dachtera wrote: 1 > > TCP is (supposed to be) more reliable, but...  > @ > Ok, there have been many mentions of TCPIP not being reliable. > N > OUt of curiosity, is it the protocol itself which is not considered reliable( > enough, or just the internet network ?  G TCP (Transmission Control Protocol) is supposed to offer some guarantee H of packets eventually being received by the target. That said, as othersD have pointe dout, that still does guarantee service levels or pakcet reception sequence.   K > If one has his own network with dedicated links that do not depend on the 9 > "internet", does TCPIP then become much more reliable ?   H In theory, IP alone could be reliable given ideal conditions. TCP was an: effort ot make less-than-ideal conditions more acceptable.   D.J.D>   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:33:50 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>6 Subject: Re: Itanium Licensing and Hobbyist on Itanium+ Message-ID: <41005CEE.B4B4580D@comcast.net>    Larry Kilgallen wrote: > b > In article <40FF18AC.57EB81CD@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > > Guy Peleg wrote: > Q > >> It is possible to purchase the FOE pak and then purchase separately specific G > >> products from other bundle. So you can have an rx2600 with FOE and H > >> VMSCLUSTER license. Without going into too much details (as I'm notJ > >> a sale person) the price of the VMSCLUSTER license for rx2600 will be > >> different$ > >> than the price for a Superdome. > > 6 > > We can only hope that this will get fixed someday. > > B > > Mission-critical != bottomless pockets, private goldmine, etc. > G > Hmmm.  I took that remark to indicate that the VMSCLUSTER license for 9 > the rx2600 would be _less_than_ that for the Superdome.  > J > I think the bottomless pockets folks are the ones who buy the Superdome. >  > Why do you thing differently.   - Have you worked in the private sector lately?   @ How many GS1280s grace your place of business? ...EVA arrays...? ...ESL9000s...?   G Know what they call folks who think that businesses (of any scale) have  bottomless pockets?   E There are many answers to that last question. Here are a couple I can   think of off the top of my head:  
 - Bankrupt
 - Indicted   D.J.D.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:53:05 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - Subject: Re: Just curious about MAXPROCESSCNT ( Message-ID: <cdouu1$nlv$1@pcls4.std.com>  , "Jim" <jim.nospam.gould@charter.net> writes:  J >I have noticed that no matter what I set MAXPROCESSCNT to, AUTOGEN alwaysL >sets BALSETCNT to exactly 2 less.  This is on three different clusters, oneM >running 7.3-2, the other two running 7.3-1, and one lone server running 6.2. J >Is the calculation of BALSETCNT based on other parameters or is it always
 >just 2 less.   I The largest (useful) value of BALSETCNT is MAXPROCESSCNT-2.  If you make  E BALSETCNT larger you'll just waste memory.  If it is smaller, you may G see processes being swapped out if you have many processes.  This is OK F if you have a memory limited system but unnecessary if you have plenty
 of memory.  K Note that the SWAPPER process and the not-really-there NULL process header  F each use a unit of MAXPROCESSCNT but don't use any of BALSETCNT, which is where the "-2" comes from.    --   -Mike    ------------------------------   Date: 22 Jul 2004 22:28:59 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com % Subject: Re: Looking for a Video Card , Message-ID: <cdpf3b12l6a@enews1.newsguy.com>  : Island Computers USA <dbturner@islandco.com.nospam> wrote:M > The replacement for most of the older cards is now the Radeon 7500 PCI Card ? > I believe resolution is 2048 x 1920 maximum at 24 Bit color -   E > The ATI Radeon has a SVGA and DVI out - rock solid product for $189 - > The ATI requires VMS 7.3-1 and a patch kit.   H What systems can use this card?  Can something like an AlphaStation 200,) AlphaStation 500, or PWS 433au use one?      	Zane    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:59:27 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>+ Subject: Re: MSL SDLT tape library - DLT IV + Message-ID: <410062EF.C8EE1F99@comcast.net>    Hal Kuff wrote:  > K >     We are running 7.3-1 with some SDLT MSL Tape libraries and are having N > trouble reading DLT IV tapes, the specs say this is doable... is anyone elseL > having issues.... we are not getting read errors, they just will not mount > and read.....   F What commands are you using (cut-and-paste from your terminal program,
 if possible)?   & Can you post the text of any messages?  = What does the DCL command "SHOW DEVICE" say about the drives?   G What does the Alpha console command "SHOW DEVICE" say about the drives?    Anything else you can tell us?   D.J.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:52:26 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com7 Subject: Re: MSL5000 tape Library in a hetrogeneous SAN Q Message-ID: <OFD482900F.FFC94567-ON85256ED9.00620127-85256ED9.00628050@metso.com>   L DQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KY2hyaXNjNDQ0NDRAaG90bWFpbC5jb20gKENocmlzIEMuKSB3cm90ZSBvbiAwL Ny8yMi8yMDA0IDEyOjAzOjUzIFBNOg0KDQo+IFdlIGhhdmUgYSBoZXRlcm9nZW5lb3VzIFNBTiBlL bnZpcm9ubWVudCB3aXRoIHRoZSBmb2xsb3dpbmcgY29tcG9uZW50czoNCj4NCj4gICAgRHVhbCByL ZWR1bmRhbnQgSFNHODAncw0KPiAgICAyIHggU0FOIFN3aXRjaCAyLzgNCj4gICAgMiB4IGNsdXN0L ZXJlZCBFUzQwJ3MgVk1TIFY3LjMtMQ0KPiAgICAzIHggIldpbmRvd3MgMjAwMyBTZXJ2ZXIiIEluL dGVsIHNlcnZlcnMNCj4gICAgMSB4IE1TTDUwMjYgVGFwZSBMaWJyYXJ5DQo+DQo+IFRoZSBpc3N1L ZSB3ZSBoYXZlIGlzIHRoYXQgaW4gb3JkZXIgdG8gZ2V0IHRoZSBWTVMgYmFja3VwcyB0byBmdW5jL dGlvbg0KPiBjb3JyZWN0bHkgd2UgaGFkIHRvIHpvbmUgdGhlIFZNUyBhbmQgdGhlIFdpbmRvd3MgL c2VwYXJhdGVseSBvbiB0aGUNCj4gc3dpdGNoZXMgYW5kIGFkZCB0aGUgdGFwZSBsaWJyYXJ5IHRvL IHRoZSBWTVMgem9uZSwgdGhlcmVmb3JlIG1ha2luZyBpdA0KPiB1bmF2YWlsYWJsZSB0byB0aGUgL V2luZG93cyB6b25lLg0KPiBQcmlvciB0byB6b25pbmcsIHRoZSBWTVMgYmFja3VwcyB3b3VsZCBrL ZWVwIGdvaW5nIGludG8gbW91bnQgdmVyaWZ5DQo+IHN0YXRlIHRoZW4gZmFsbGluZyBvdmVyLiBBL dCB0aGUgdGltZSBJIGNhbWUgdG8gdGhlIGNvbmNsdXNpb24gdGhhdCB0aGUNCj4gdGFwZSBkcml2L ZXMgd2VyZSByZWNlaXZpbmcgYSAiU0NTSSByZXNldCIgKD8pIG9yaWdpbmF0aW5nIGZyb20gdGhlL DQo+IFdpbnRlbCBCb3hlcywgc28gSSB6b25lZCBhbmQgYWxsZXZpYXRlZCB0aGUgaXNzdWUuDQo+L DQo+IFRoZSBCYWNrdXBzIG9uIHRoZSBXaW50ZWwgU2VydmVycyBhcmUgY3VycmVudGx5IGhhbmRsL ZWQgYnkgMiBkaXJlY3QNCj4gYXR0YWNoIFNDU0kgTFRPIGRyaXZlcyB1c2luZyB0aGUgVmVyaXRhL cyBCYWNrdXBFWEVDIFY5LjEgc29mdHdhcmUuDQoNCkkgYW0gdXNpbmcgTGVnYXRvIE5ldFdvcmtlL ciB3aXRoIER5bmFtaWMgRHJpdmUgU2hhcmluZyBpbiBhIHNpbWlsYXINCmNvbmZpZ3VyYXRpb24gL KG5vdCBpZGVudGljYWwpIGFuZCBkbyBub3QgaGF2ZSB5b3VyIHByb2JsZW1zLg0KDQo+IEhvd2V2L ZXIgZHVlIHRvIHRoZSBleHBhbmRpbmcgbmF0dXJlIG9mIHRoaXMgZW52aXJvbm1lbnQgdGhlIHVzL ZSBvZiBhDQo+IHRhcGUgTGlicmFyeSB3b3VsZCBub3cgYmUgYmVuZWZpY2lhbCwgc28gbXkgcXVlL cnkgaXM7IGRvIEk6DQo+DQo+IGEuKSAgICAgUHVyY2hhc2UgYSBzZWNvbmQgTVNMNTAyNiB0YXBlL IGxpYnJhcnkgYW5kIHBsYWNlIGl0IG9uIHRoZSBTQU4NCj4gICAgICAgICBpbiB0aGUgV2luZG93L cyB6b25lDQo+IGIuKSAgIEZpbmQgYSB3YXkgdG8gdXNlIHRoZSBleGlzdGluZyBMaWJyYXJ5IG9uL IGJvdGggV2luZG93cyBhbmQgVk1TDQo+ICAgICAgICAg4oCTIEkgaGF2ZSBjYXBhY2l0eSAodGFwL ZSBzbG90cykgYW5kIGEgdGltZSB3aW5kb3cuDQo+IGMuKSAgIE5vbmUgb2YgdGhlIGFib3ZlIOKAH kyBzdWdnZXN0aW9ucyBwbGVhc2U/DQo+DQo+IE1hbnkgVGhhbmtzDQo+DQo+IENocmlzIEMu   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:03:27 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>7 Subject: Re: MSL5000 tape Library in a hetrogeneous SAN + Message-ID: <410063DE.4AACB447@comcast.net>    "Chris C." wrote:  > H > We have a heterogeneous SAN environment with the following components: >   >         Dual redundant HSG80's >         2 x SAN Switch 2/8) >         2 x clustered ES40's VMS V7.3-1 1 >         3 x "Windows 2003 Server" Intel servers " >         1 x MSL5026 Tape Library > G > The issue we have is that in order to get the VMS backups to function D > correctly we had to zone the VMS and the Windows separately on theH > switches and add the tape library to the VMS zone, therefore making it" > unavailable to the Windows zone.E > Prior to zoning, the VMS backups would keep going into mount verify H > state then falling over. At the time I came to the conclusion that theD > tape drives were receiving a "SCSI reset" (?) originating from the4 > Wintel Boxes, so I zoned and alleviated the issue. > E > The Backups on the Wintel Servers are currently handled by 2 direct D > attach SCSI LTO drives using the Veritas BackupEXEC V9.1 software.F > However due to the expanding nature of this environment the use of a= > tape Library would now be beneficial, so my query is; do I:  > H > a.)     Purchase a second MSL5026 tape library and place it on the SAN >         in the Windows zone H > b.)     Find a way to use the existing Library on both Windows and VMS; >          I have capacity (tape slots) and a time window. 1 > c.)     None of the above  suggestions please?    We use option b.  + Twin STK L700e libraries. One ACSLS server.   F Wintel uses LTO-1. VMS uses SDLT-1. Each has drives in both libraries.  F A possible solution if you can sell it to the WhineBloze weenies is to@ get Legato Networker for OpenVMS and see if you can have the VMS7 machine(s) be the backup server(s) for the Wintel crap.    D.J.D.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jul 2004 11:12:13 -0700/ From: ghazan@ghazan.haider.name (Ghazan Haider) ' Subject: OpenVMS restarts while install0= Message-ID: <2f57764a.0407221012.1545a6f5@posting.google.com>i  @ I'm very new to OpenVMS and have been trying to install it on my system to learn.  E I took the OpenVMS 7.2-1 CD from work, where the DS20 is going out ofdC commission (wish I could have it). I have a lx164 motherboard, withoE IDE cdrom and harddisk, DEC ethernet and matrox millennium card. I'veo: used WindowsNT on it, and after setting up SRM5.8, NetBSD.  D Now when I do boot dqa to boot from the CD, I get the OpenVMS bannerC line, and it quickly reboot after showing some messages, the secondnD time around, it tries to read the dumps and boot again, and restartsF again. The CD just says OpenVMS for Alpha, are there different CDs for$ 21164 and 21264? The CD says Compaq.  B Is this because of the IDE in the system? If so, can I install via? network and insert a driver floppy for the IDE chipset so I can  install it on the disk?    TS   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jul 2004 16:06:07 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)M+ Subject: Re: OpenVMS restarts while installs3 Message-ID: <hMIXiWV9wDTe@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  o In article <2f57764a.0407221012.1545a6f5@posting.google.com>, ghazan@ghazan.haider.name (Ghazan Haider) writes:   G > I took the OpenVMS 7.2-1 CD from work, where the DS20 is going out ofeE > commission (wish I could have it). I have a lx164 motherboard, withgG > IDE cdrom and harddisk, DEC ethernet and matrox millennium card. I'vee< > used WindowsNT on it, and after setting up SRM5.8, NetBSD.  B    Rule of thumb:  VMS won't boot on an IDE.  Well, actually thereC    is at least one IDE drive VMS will boot from, but there's a goodn    chance you don't have it.  D > Is this because of the IDE in the system? If so, can I install viaA > network and insert a driver floppy for the IDE chipset so I cank > install it on the disk?e  E   To install VMS over the network requires an Infoserver, or at leastnE   something that can look like an Infoserver.  An Infoserver providesaE   DEC ethernet protocols that most boxes don't support.  They are nott	   DECnet.]  A   Your best bet is to see if you can get some used SCSI hardware.O   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jul 2004 20:56:02 -0700/ From: ghazan@ghazan.haider.name (Ghazan Haider)-+ Subject: Re: OpenVMS restarts while install1< Message-ID: <2f57764a.0407221956.fb6ca7e@posting.google.com>   Thanks.R  B Ive looked around, and this has been asked in other threads, never' answered. Where is the HCL for OpenVMS?s  C Most OS vendors release one, at least for OEMS and the like, and tow help in upgrades....   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:56:18 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>% Subject: Re: OT: Pretty good Linux adh+ Message-ID: <41006232.858F892F@comcast.net>r   Frank Themann wrote: >  > "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote: > > C > > You'll need Shockwave or Flash players to see this, but it is anI > > hilarious Linux ad, put to the music of 'The Doors,' and does a smartn; > > job of bashing MS at the same time...  Very creative...- > >-> > > http://images.linspire.com/RunLinspireSong/RunLinspire.swf > >  > This is really *good* stuff!   Seconded...R   D.J.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:35:27 -0700g+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>o% Subject: Re: OT: Pretty good Linux ad ' Message-ID: <41006B5F.9010103@MMaz.com>    David J Dachtera wrote:A   >Frank Themann wrote:  >  r >g >>"Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote: >>     >>B >>>You'll need Shockwave or Flash players to see this, but it is aH >>>hilarious Linux ad, put to the music of 'The Doors,' and does a smart: >>>job of bashing MS at the same time...  Very creative... >>>a= >>>http://images.linspire.com/RunLinspireSong/RunLinspire.swfC >>>,	 >>>      ) >>>e >>This is really *good* stuff! >>     >> >h >Seconded... >  >D.J.D.t >  u > G Could you ever imagine HP showing that type of creativity for VMS, and rC then airing that on TV?  Sure, the majority of the market watching uH wouldn't care, but how many care about the 'Intel Inside' commercials?  0 It's brain-washing, I mean, name recognition...     B Even if folks never knew the details of VMS, but the ads conveyed B computers running with rock-solid performance (ie. no crashing or I rebooting), safe and secure (ie. no virusm, trojans, or worms), and easy eI managability (ie. no patch of the week club and just 'set-and-go'), they a might just ask about it...     Barry    -- a  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        t   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 04:18:58 GMT-) From: Andrew Walters <awxrt001@yahoo.com>n% Subject: Re: OT: Pretty good Linux adt9 Message-ID: <Sk0Mc.279$iu3.77@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>t   David J Dachtera wrote:h   > Frank Themann wrote: >>   >> "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:l >> >D >> > You'll need Shockwave or Flash players to see this, but it is aJ >> > hilarious Linux ad, put to the music of 'The Doors,' and does a smart< >> > job of bashing MS at the same time...  Very creative... >> >? >> > http://images.linspire.com/RunLinspireSong/RunLinspire.swfS >> > >> This is really *good* stuff!n > 
 > Seconded...r >  > D.J.D.    Yeah! And real music too ... :-)  E And the nice thing is they probably had this ready to go for when thel5 Lindows name bit the dust. No hard feelings Billster!a   -- relax and enjoy your shoes    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:05:29 -0400n0 From: "Brad McCusker" <brad.you-know-who@hp.com> Subject: Re: Pathwork problems, Message-ID: <41001054$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  J What exactly do you mean by "cannot be validated by the controller".  Tell9 what you do, and, what the server does (error messages?).e  % Have you tried a different user name?n  I How exactly are you creating this user?  Can you give us a ADMIN SHO USERa /FULL for the user in question?-  8 Is there anything in the event logs regarding this user?  < We need to see some more specifics to offer you decent help.  
 Brad McCuskere OpenVMS Engineeringn    ) "MB" <mb301@hotmail.com> wrote in message 7 news:1d08b916.0407190611.3e7aa457@posting.google.com...s6 > tomarsin2015@aol.com (Tomarsin2015) wrote in message6 news:<20040716235645.11545.00001461@mb-m11.aol.com>...	 > > HellonG > > I am using a 3100-80 running 7.3-1 and Pathworks V6.0D as a primary  domainJ > > controller for a couple of Win2000 pcs. The problem is I have one user and onlyI > > one user that cannot be validated by the controller. Every other usera works,L > > okay. I have deleted the user and then added the user back with no luck. IcK > > tried having the user type his password and username in upper/low case,m try E > > loggin on from a different pc, but no luck. Any thoughts would bee helpful. > > tks  >e$ > Has the user logged in as a guest? >t > $ admin show sesst > User Sessions on server "XZY"t >p@ > Connected Users       Computer           Opens  Time      Idle > GuestnE > --------------------  -----------------  -----  --------  -------- t > -----aC > user1                PC1                2   0 04:30   0 00:10  No C > user2                PC2                0   0 06:03   0 05:15  NoID > fred                 PC3                1   1 02:01   0 02:00  Yes >yD > it sounds like like a corruputed SAM database. On PW V6.1 I have a- > program called sys$system:PWRK$SAMCHECK.EXEa >i? > I think you have to shutdown pw and run the samcheck program.  >u > What does it say?e >l	 > Regardst > MB   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Jul 2004 20:15:46 GMT& From: Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu>? Subject: Re: Sending page messages from VMS using a Unix server 7 Message-ID: <slrncg083i.mee.fdc@sesame.cc.columbia.edu>   B On 2004-07-22, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote: : ....G : Be advised that this is also subject to spam attacks, as we found out-I : recently during a critical systems outage (unable to send notificationstC : to pagers via e-mail due to a spam attack in progress against ouro : service provider). :. : Other approaches include:o :eG : For Cingular Wireless, WGET can be used to transmit all the necessaryc : data in a URL via HTTP.s :oI : For Arch Wireless, KERMIT can be used to emulate an HTTP POST operation * : (as would normally be done from a form). :oH We're just talking about sending Alph pages using Telocator AlphunumericK Protocol, right?  (I missed the beginning of this discussion.)  Kermit does  that itself:  2   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/pagers.html#alpha  K You don't need to buy an expensive package or rely on anything but your owntI VMS serial port and modem -- for example, you don't need a Unix host or ae6 working network.  You can download C-Kermit from here:  -   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.htmli   if you don't have it already.u   - Frank    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:39:20 -0500r2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>? Subject: Re: Sending page messages from VMS using a Unix server-+ Message-ID: <41005E38.B26A91B9@comcast.net>    Frank da Cruz wrote: > D > On 2004-07-22, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote: > : ....I > : Be advised that this is also subject to spam attacks, as we found out K > : recently during a critical systems outage (unable to send notificationsrE > : to pagers via e-mail due to a spam attack in progress against ourr > : service provider). > :h > : Other approaches include:c > :lI > : For Cingular Wireless, WGET can be used to transmit all the necessaryt > : data in a URL via HTTP.. > :iK > : For Arch Wireless, KERMIT can be used to emulate an HTTP POST operatione, > : (as would normally be done from a form). > :aJ > We're just talking about sending Alph pages using Telocator AlphunumericA > Protocol, right?  (I missed the beginning of this discussion.) i  E Not entirely. The discussion mentioned sending pages using SMTP as ancD intermediary protocol. The examples I cited were work-arounds to the SMTP issues.  
 > Kermit doesg > that itself: > 4 >   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/pagers.html#alpha  D That only metions dial-out. DO the scripts also handle direct TCP/IP@ links to the TAP servers? ...and if so, how do you what to send?   D.J.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:42:25 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>? Subject: Re: Sending page messages from VMS using a Unix serverk* Message-ID: <41005EF1.44DFB10@comcast.net>   Mark Berryman wrote: >  > David J Dachtera wrote:v > > Mark Berryman wrote: > >rI > >>The TelAlert client is available for VMS so you could run it yourselffF > >>rather than asking the Unix box to do so.  The group that owns theG > >>TelAlert server should be able to get you a copy of the VMS client.s > >a > > ( > > Who is "TelAlert"?  Do you have URL? > N > You snipped to much of the message.  The original message had the following: > B > > I've found out we have a Unix machine which has Remedy runningA > > on it which sends out pages by using Telalert commands in the. > > following format:h8 > >  /etc/telalert/bin/telalertc -c $MAIN_PAGER_SERVICE$5 > >    -pin $MAIN_PAGER_NR$  -m "$PAGER_TEXT_MESSAGE$x > G > Which tells me he is using the TelAlert messaging system from VYTEC. t  D I see no mention of Vytec, and "telalert" or "telalertc" could be anA arbitrary directory name, a product name, or just about anything.0   D.J.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:58:37 -0400d- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>0" Subject: Re: Solaris to Itanium..., Message-ID: <4100004B.FBB7E746@teksavvy.com>   Fabio wrote:E > If Solaris will run in an Integrity server, why have HPUX or Linux?e= > We had the processor consolidation with Itaniun (AXP+PA)...o8 > May be the next step is the Unix-Linux consolidation !  M Perhaps just a marketing gimmick. If Solaris runs on the 8086, 8086-64, SparcnH and then IA64, then Sun will be able to make claims about portability of[ Solaris that neither HP nor IBM will be able to make about their HPUX and AIX respectively.I   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jul 2004 15:58:57 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)W" Subject: Re: Solaris to Itanium...= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0407221458.1b6cea09@posting.google.com>A  u "konabear" <konabearg-newsgroups@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<vPwLc.2435$eu6.1257@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>...sJ > Interesting Link.   Seems Sum thinks Itanium will be around for a while: > = > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/0,39020645,39161196,00.htm   D Wow! A Sun port of Solaris to *gasp* Itanium! I hadn't heard of that before.   B "Solaris is working on Itanium servers in the lab, Schwartz said."   Another report at InfoWorld:? http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/07/21/HNsolarispower_1.html$  D "We've also begun looking at delivering Solaris on Power, as well asB Solaris on Itanium, as ways of really driving incremental volume," Schwartz said."   ! Or maintaining any volume at all..  E "Schwartz was quickly cut off by Sun's Chief Executive Officer, Scott 	 McNealy."u   I'll bet he was!  ? "In 2001, Sun actually completed a port of Solaris to Itanium."pD "Now, judging from Schwartz's comments, the company is having second! thoughts about the Itanium port."m  C Sounds like Sun has decided SPARC is toast, and knows Opteron can'tu cut it at the high end.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 01:19:34 GMTr5 From: Bruno Saverio Delbono <bruno.s.delbono@mail.ac> " Subject: Re: Solaris to Itanium..., Message-ID: <GIZLc.93761$Mr4.41099@pd7tw1no>   Keith Parris wrote:i  - > Sounds like Sun has decided SPARC is toast,t  G Erm..I doubt that's possible. There are a "lot" of enterprise sites on sE SPARC hardware and I doubt sun would succumb to peer pressure to let rI SPARC go. If you've followed the news, Fujitsu SPARC64 would be the next e high end developer for SPARC's..  1 > and knows Opteron can't cut it at the high end.   G Which is why there would be Fujitsu/SPARC64 :). Claiming SPARC is dead eH is like claiming Alpha is dead (even though we are comparing apples and 	 oranges).t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:55:22 -0400y* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>" Subject: Re: Solaris to Itanium...2 Message-ID: <mrudncEs9fZE4J3cRVn-qw@metrocast.net>  B "Bruno Saverio Delbono" <bruno.s.delbono@mail.ac> wrote in message& news:GIZLc.93761$Mr4.41099@pd7tw1no... > Keith Parris wrote:c >a/ > > Sounds like Sun has decided SPARC is toast,c >cH > Erm..I doubt that's possible. There are a "lot" of enterprise sites onF > SPARC hardware and I doubt sun would succumb to peer pressure to letJ > SPARC go. If you've followed the news, Fujitsu SPARC64 would be the next! > high end developer for SPARC's.   ? Keith is in FUD mode, as usual.  Don't take him very seriously.-   > 3 > > and knows Opteron can't cut it at the high end.l >sH > Which is why there would be Fujitsu/SPARC64 :). Claiming SPARC is deadI > is like claiming Alpha is dead (even though we are comparing apples andt > oranges).   L Not quite.  Alpha actually *is* dead, in that the termination of developmentB has not only been announced but has actually occurred (and in factK effectively occurred 18 months ago, given that EV79 was cancelled).  SPARC,.K on the other hand, has major continuing development efforts by both Sun anddL Fujitsu with no hint of termination, in marked contrast to Alpha's situation" any time within the past 3+ years.  D And SPARC64 is looking pretty credible these days, beating Itanic byK respectable margins in jbb2000 at the 8-, 16, and 32-processor system sizes.K with its new 1.9 GHz generation of processors and at least hanging in thereeK with its 1.35 GHz previous-generation processors in TPC-C (nearly 600K tpmCmL at 64 processors, almost 60% of the current-generation Itanic score) and SAPL SD 2-tier (scoring 2200 at 16 processors, over 75% of the current-generationH Itanic score:  HP seems to have been kind of shy about entering larger -J Superdome - configurations here, but Fujitsu's previous-generation SPARC64L line scales quite well right up to 64 and even 128 processors, scoring 13000 there).d   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 23:53:37 -0400o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>y" Subject: Re: Solaris to Itanium..., Message-ID: <41008B98.31DFB10B@teksavvy.com>   Bruno Saverio Delbono wrote:H > Which is why there would be Fujitsu/SPARC64 :). Claiming SPARC is deadI > is like claiming Alpha is dead (even though we are comparing apples and2 > oranges).l  N Alpha IS dead. They have stopped all development of Alpha. The only thing leftL is for them to just change a crystal to make the existing EV7 perform at its originally intended speed.  M Sparc has not had any official "retirement" announcements and there are still-" a few generations in the pipeline.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jul 2004 00:27:49 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)g" Subject: Re: Solaris to Itanium...3 Message-ID: <dA4$WGTCvyNf@eisner.encompasserve.org>v  _ In article <mrudncEs9fZE4J3cRVn-qw@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:e   > F > And SPARC64 is looking pretty credible these days, beating Itanic byM > respectable margins in jbb2000 at the 8-, 16, and 32-processor system sizesmM > with its new 1.9 GHz generation of processors and at least hanging in therenM > with its 1.35 GHz previous-generation processors in TPC-C (nearly 600K tpmCvN > at 64 processors, almost 60% of the current-generation Itanic score) and SAPN > SD 2-tier (scoring 2200 at 16 processors, over 75% of the current-generationJ > Itanic score:  HP seems to have been kind of shy about entering larger -L > Superdome - configurations here, but Fujitsu's previous-generation SPARC64N > line scales quite well right up to 64 and even 128 processors, scoring 13000	 > there).n >   ? 	Sun's strategy makes little sense on the surface.  I don't seeh= 	how they can support Enterprise Solaris on Power5/6 for suchi@ 	a small segment, and who would want to risk it?  Shoot - Oracle? 	on a 4th or 5th tier is *slow* to get fixes.  Love to see whatl> 	the fix rate would be with Solaris on Power - certainly a lot= 	slower than Solaris on Ultra, especially if there is like 30t 	customers.c  / 	It may be Sun jockeying for a future platform.n> 	What we may be seeing is Sun publically putting IBM vs. Intel@ 	and seeing how good a deal they can get out of Intel by letting> 	Intel know they are also kissing up with IBM.  Intel has beenA 	known to throw around a few hundred million here and there.  I'd-C 	think they could swing Sun for $250 million in development dollars = 	and a long term agreement ala Microsoft.  Never mind Keith'si= 	comment about Opteron's scaling at the high-end (even thoughc; 	that may be the case), I'm leaning towards Sun seeking thetE 	engineering and dollars they need.  The engineering lies within IBM vE 	or Intel and they are playing them off against each other - maybe.  oF 	Read a while back that Intel employs 8000 doing software development.E 	What I mean by engineering - I mean the very large infrastructure.  r, 	Intel's 80500 employees versus AMD's 14300.  > 	Maybe what happened is Michael Dell came calling on Scotty or? 	vice-versa.  He mighta said something like:  "Scotty - why all @ 	this engineering infrastructure?  Ya nuts?  Here's what you do,= 	you partner with Intel, they give you what you need and you 7? 	concentrate on the OS.  You make more than enough on resellingt> 	their hardware - look at me.  Plus, you know with Tukwila andA 	follow-ons Intel is rolling all the parts into the CPU - you see B 	that Alpha chip - yeah just like that.  You won't have to do much% 	more than slap a Sun sticker on it."_   	Click - a light goes on._   				Rob_   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jul 2004 19:00:12 -0700# From: as@anysyskorea.com (Jeong BG)r3 Subject: Re: Some question in BASEstar application?e= Message-ID: <c6d875ee.0407221800.2ead1b20@posting.google.com>:  2 Thank you for reply to my question about BASEstar.   My question is below,oH ========================================================================D we must running below command in our application, if our application) do not collect data from BASEstar device.    $ BS DCM MOD DEV CP7C_PLC/DIS  $ WAIT 00:00:02                $ BS DCM MOD DEV CP7C_PLC/ENA  $ WAIT 00:00:01                  I don't understand why do that?a  $ please, explain why do that command.  " if that command has proper reason,4 we will run that command at batch queue recursively.H ========================================================================D This situation is too open happen to just execute it when necessary.! It happen 2 or 3 times per weeks., I have to find a solution? do you have some advice?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:54:44 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>L: Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?, Message-ID: <40FFFF62.7FA28E69@teksavvy.com>   David J Dachtera wrote: 3 > Could we please be careful about our terminology?2 > J > There is no "hobbyist edition" of OpenVMS, either - VMS is VMS is VMS... >   C Not anymore. VMS VMS != Alpha VMS since there is no longer any realw0 improvements to VAX VMS and the gap is widening.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jul 2004 13:32:50 -0700- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)I: Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?= Message-ID: <3ff5fed3.0407221232.1ae0878d@posting.google.com>t  v Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message news:<07gJc.15222$o85.4394@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com>...  K > > 	Process Software's new "PreciseMail Web Access" purports to have this. D > > 	Looks like an Outlook/Exchange/Groupwise clone, runs on Win andG > > 	Solaris under native web servers there (no Tru64 or OpenVMS, sad) t > Q > defeats the purpose of having an OpenVMS turnkey solution now, doesn't it? So, i2 > is Process Software also abandoning OpenVMS????? > F No, not at all.  In the past few months, we've released MultiNet V5.0,H with a host of new features, and PreciseMail Anti-Spam V2.0 for OpenVMS.F TCPware, PMDF, MultiNet, and PMAS are all being ported to OpenVMS IA64B (Itanium) as I type this.  We're investigating OpenVMS support forE PreciseMail Web Access, but the variety of web servers run on OpenVMS 5 contributes to the complexity of adding such support.n  D While Process Software is branching out, we're still most definitely firmly committed to OpenVMS.   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/2; <goathunter@GOATLEY.COM>     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/s   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jul 2004 13:47:23 -0700- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)m: Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?= Message-ID: <3ff5fed3.0407221247.45d19ea0@posting.google.com>k   winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") wrote in message news:<00A352C6.E542AB8F@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>... > Q > [In my particular case, I've considered a two-machine pseudo-firewall solution,sP > where one machine running TCP/IP Services SMTP is the MX address for the otherQ > box, which (a) refuses to connect to any box but the first one and (b) can thensK > run MX 4.2 and LISTSERV LITE with as much protection as the first box caneP > offer, but it seems silly to be forced into running more hardware just to  get) > around arbitrary software difficulties.e  G You can run them on the same box.  Just set up MX V4.2's SMTP server tolD listen on an alternate port and let your primary SMTP server forwardH messages to MX on that port.  (Actually, I don't know if the SMTP serverI in TCP/IP Services will let you do this or not, but the theory is sound.)iG I'm running a system that has both PMDF and MX running on it that works:E just this way, with MX handling the mailing lists (we were running MXjE for that long before we acquired PMDF, and I've never had the time top& rework things to use PMDF's MAILSERV).   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/a; <goathunter@GOATLEY.COM>     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/g   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jul 2004 13:50:06 -0700- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) : Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?= Message-ID: <3ff5fed3.0407221250.3afbff24@posting.google.com>   O david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote in message news:<cdl4gu$rn3$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>...  > L > Well MX used to be free. I believe the latest versions cost something like, > $50. Again this is available from Process. > ) As others have said, MX V4.2 is freeware.h  D MX V5.0 and later versions are commercial products and are availableD from MadGoat Software, with which I no longer have an affiliation ofG any kind (other than still being a friend of Matt's).  MadGoat Softwarel can tell you pricing for MX.   http://www.madgoat.com/o   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/a; <goathunter@GOATLEY.COM>     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/t   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:35:21 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"): Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?6 Message-ID: <00A35381.9479A49A@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  m In article <3ff5fed3.0407221247.45d19ea0@posting.google.com>, goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) writes:s >winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") wrote in message news:<00A352C6.E542AB8F@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>...r >> gR >> [In my particular case, I've considered a two-machine pseudo-firewall solution,Q >> where one machine running TCP/IP Services SMTP is the MX address for the otheroR >> box, which (a) refuses to connect to any box but the first one and (b) can thenL >> run MX 4.2 and LISTSERV LITE with as much protection as the first box canQ >> offer, but it seems silly to be forced into running more hardware just to  gete* >> around arbitrary software difficulties. >eH >You can run them on the same box.  Just set up MX V4.2's SMTP server toE >listen on an alternate port and let your primary SMTP server forward I >messages to MX on that port.  (Actually, I don't know if the SMTP servereJ >in TCP/IP Services will let you do this or not, but the theory is sound.)H >I'm running a system that has both PMDF and MX running on it that worksF >just this way, with MX handling the mailing lists (we were running MXF >for that long before we acquired PMDF, and I've never had the time to' >rework things to use PMDF's MAILSERV).s  # Thanks, Hunter!  I'll look into it.t   -- Alan  --  O ===============================================================================s0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056eM  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025sO ===============================================================================F   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:19:45 -0500o2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>: Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?+ Message-ID: <410059A1.B991AF09@comcast.net>t   Hunter Goatley wrote:s > Q > david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote in message news:<cdl4gu$rn3$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>...o > >rN > > Well MX used to be free. I believe the latest versions cost something like. > > $50. Again this is available from Process. > >v+ > As others have said, MX V4.2 is freeware.S > F > MX V5.0 and later versions are commercial products and are availableF > from MadGoat Software, with which I no longer have an affiliation ofI > any kind (other than still being a friend of Matt's).  MadGoat Softwarea > can tell you pricing for MX. >  > http://www.madgoat.com/.  A Do you (or does anyone) have any opinions on MX as a MAPI server?0   D.J.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:22:44 -0500+2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>: Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?+ Message-ID: <41005A54.9D4B7E3B@comcast.net>0   Hunter Goatley wrote:g > x > Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message news:<07gJc.15222$o85.4394@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com>... > P > > >     Process Software's new "PreciseMail Web Access" purports to have this.I > > >     Looks like an Outlook/Exchange/Groupwise clone, runs on Win andvK > > >     Solaris under native web servers there (no Tru64 or OpenVMS, sad)g > >GR > > defeats the purpose of having an OpenVMS turnkey solution now, doesn't it? So,4 > > is Process Software also abandoning OpenVMS????? > >yH > No, not at all.  In the past few months, we've released MultiNet V5.0,J > with a host of new features, and PreciseMail Anti-Spam V2.0 for OpenVMS.H > TCPware, PMDF, MultiNet, and PMAS are all being ported to OpenVMS IA64D > (Itanium) as I type this.  We're investigating OpenVMS support forG > PreciseMail Web Access, but the variety of web servers run on OpenVMSC7 > contributes to the complexity of adding such support.G > F > While Process Software is branching out, we're still most definitely > firmly committed to OpenVMS.  G Of course, with everyone from Cerner to who-knows-who promoting a shiftgE to UCX (nka "TCP/IP Services"), even PSC has to protect their revenueG	 stream...C  G Maybe PSC should consider offering to combine TCPware, Multinet and UCXhH into a single product and contracting with hp to sell/support it bundled
 with OVMS.   D.J.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:53:16 -0400y# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 8 Subject: [OT]: Legacy system - 65 years of compatibility, Message-ID: <3budncatlf6gtJ3cRVn-rw@igs.net>  L http://globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040721.gtview0721/BNStory/Tech nology/C   Associated Press     POSTED AT 12:27 PM EDT Wednesday, Jul 21, 20043    H EAST AURORA, N.Y. - With the pump of a finger, the View-Master has givenE generations a 3-D look at everything from man's first moonwalk to the-$ adventures of SpongeBob SquarePants.  K The iconic toy occupies a place in the National Toy Hall of Fame, alongsidetK Barbie and Mr. Potato Head, and has inspired many a Web site. This year, itt7 achieves another mark of success, its 65th anniversary.A  H For the uninitiated, View-Master is the handheld gadget that resembles aJ squarish pair of plastic binoculars. It spins a circular reel a notch eachK time the user pushes down its arm to reveal new 3-D images, which are often2 sequenced to tell a story.  K "People who grew up in the 1970s think it's a 1970s thing," collector EddieeK Bowers said, "and people who grew up in the 1950s think it's a 1950s thing.e It's their childhood."  J Jim Silver, publisher of the Toy Book, an industry magazine, said parents'I fond memories and an effort to keep the reel subjects current has lent toiI its success. "Parents love to buy things for their children that they hadr3 when they were young and that they loved," he said.i  J The public got its first good look at View-Master at the 1940 World's FairJ in New York, a year after its creator, amateur stereo photographer WilliamI Gruber, introduced it in Portland, Ore. By 1941, more than 100,000 storest were carrying it.m  K The military adopted it during the Second World War for training reels, and F the 1950s saw an abundance of reels of national parks and other scenicD attractions, intended as souvenirs for adults. For kids, View-MasterG obtained licensing to use Disney characters in 1951 and those and othertK movie and television favourites have been mainstays of the line ever since.a  8 More than 1.5 billion reels have been issued since 1939.  H Most appealing to collectors is that any one of those white paper reels,I with their 14 thumbnail film images, will work in any View-Master viewer.i- The reels' size and shape have never changed.s  H "The first reel that was produced in 1939 would still work in our newestF viewer that came out today," said Mike Sullivan, marketing manager forL View-Master at Fisher-Price. The East Aurora toy maker took over View-MasterC in 1997 after Tyco Toys, which had owned it since 1989, merged witha Fisher-Price parent Mattel.'  I The company has experimented with higher tech View-Masters, like one thatrK used cartridges instead of the reel. It found it best not to stray from the I classic. "Any time we don't use the reel, we don't have the success," Mr.d Sullivan said.  H Mr. Bowers, just back from a 3-D convention in Portland that attracted aI subset of View-Master collectors, said the non-talking, reel-using models D are the only ones he wants in his collection of 50 or so viewers and hundreds of reels.  L "To me, that's what a View-Master is," said the Dallas collector. Mr. BowersG later picked up a stereo camera and now makes his own reels from family1' events, including his sister's wedding.t  B For the 65th anniversary, Fisher-Price has produced a box set withL compilation reels from each decade. Viewers can click their way from a 1930sE view of the Golden Gate Bridge through a shot of pop singer Brandy in0 concert.   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Jul 2004 21:59:50 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.comh< Subject: Re: [OT]: Legacy system - 65 years of compatibility, Message-ID: <cdpdcm024nl@enews4.newsguy.com>  " John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote:J > Mr. Bowers, just back from a 3-D convention in Portland that attracted aK > subset of View-Master collectors, said the non-talking, reel-using modelshF > are the only ones he wants in his collection of 50 or so viewers and > hundreds of reels.   http://www.nsa2004.com  H It wasn't just *a* convention, it was the big annual National conventionL with people from all over the world, and convention rocked!  Though 65 yearsK of compatibility aren't much of a claim in the 3D world.  Some of the cardseL there for the standard Holmes style viewer were in the area of 150 years oldH (I picked up one from the Civil War) and work just fine in the brand new viewer I bought while there.  . Not the kind of thing I expect to see in C.O.V   	Zaneh   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jul 2004 12:58:25 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) O Subject: RE: [OT]: Microsoft Patent Cross License - Open Source Software Impact 3 Message-ID: <39xQsi$t5o$s@eisner.encompasserve.org>0  ` In article <000301c47012$445267f0$4a3b0681@sdct.nist.gov>, "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov> writes: > G > Well at least as far as SAMBA goes MS has published the specs for thenE > protocol (CIFS - Common Internet File System, and may actually havevI > authored an INTERNET RFC for it) and have promoted the whole thing as a,I > general purpose network file system ala NFS. They even include browsing-A > and authentication last I looked. I can't see a case for patentm! > infringement with that history.o  F    MS, like SCO, may not be interested in the facts of the case.  They7    may simply be interested in the threat of a lawsuit.r   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jul 2004 13:26:52 -0500B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)O Subject: RE: [OT]: Microsoft Patent Cross License - Open Source Software ImpactV3 Message-ID: <Pgw3OWu2KnSo@eisner.encompasserve.org>m  q In article <39xQsi$t5o$s@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:- > H >    MS, like SCO, may not be interested in the facts of the case.  They9 >    may simply be interested in the threat of a lawsuit.a >    That was my impression as well.c  J The one thing that I am learning from this whole SCO mess is just how wellK the legal system in your country can be misued as an anti-competitive tool,oN although in the case of SCO, that looks like it's finally starting to backfire bigtime.   Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       P SCO: Proudly pushing Microsoft down to #2 on the list of most disliked companies   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.404 ************************