1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 23 Jul 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 405       Contents:" Re: downloading a VMS distribution' Re: Encouraging programming on OpenVMS? * Looking for KLESI controller documentation" Re: MSL SDLT tape library - DLT IV. Re: MSL5000 tape Library in a hetrogeneous SAN. Re: MSL5000 tape Library in a hetrogeneous SAN. Re: MSL5000 tape Library in a hetrogeneous SAN" Re: OpenVMS restarts while install" Re: OpenVMS restarts while install Re: OT: Pretty good Linux ad Re: OT: Pretty good Linux ad Re: Solaris to Itanium...  Re: Solaris to Itanium...   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 07:02:20 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)+ Subject: Re: downloading a VMS distribution 0 Message-ID: <newscache$u4ma1i$d4y$1@news.sil.at>  f In article <tsYLc.630$AY5.510@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, Andrew Walters <awxrt001@yahoo.com> writes:J >My admittedly cursory investigations turn up some sites that resell AlphaJ >stuff for considerably more than I paid for my car. All the stuff that isL >really cheap are things like old multias for $400 with small amounts of RAM% >and (comparatively) low-speed CPU's.   @ A Multia for $400 ?? Are you or are they kiddin ? $14 is enough.2 I bought my 2nd DS10 6/466 for about $700 on EBAY.N My 1st DS10 was two years ago for about $1000 with remaining 2 years warranty.  0 	http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/archive/ds10/  @ So, it depends where you buy. US is usually cheaper than europe.$ And I bought mine on my continent...   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jul 2004 07:37:44 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)0 Subject: Re: Encouraging programming on OpenVMS?= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0407230637.7e7bb6ba@posting.google.com>   h Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<dXIF37Fi39nV@eisner.encompasserve.org>...h > In article <hdWdnRGJys8wDJ3cRVn-ow@comcast.com>, Undisclosed <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com> writes: > L > > 1. developers need a relatively cheap system to initally develop on and K > > to get a programmer "hooked" on a OS.. this includes both hardware and  K > > software. Apple runs hardware discounts for developers to offset their  0 > > higher than PC hardware costs, for instance. > 8 > Having participated in both, the VMS deals are better.  : The OpenVMS "Itanization" process means better prices for ? stations and development tools. But the new freshmen-developers ; are adapted to the "Visual" tools ! I think the development 6 products for OpenVMS should be adapted to these tools.: Theres no difference from prompt/edit programming, but it; helps in the organization/collaboration of the development, @ linke online help, system services examples and searches etc....       []s   Fabio    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:40:19 +0000 (UTC) * From: Etienne Vogt <etienne.vogt@obspm.fr>3 Subject: Looking for KLESI controller documentation 2 Message-ID: <slrncg28qc.80q.vogt@siolinb.obspm.fr>  	 Hi there,   A  I just got a second hand TU81 Plus tape drive and its associated I KLESI Q-bus controller (M7740-PA). I have tried to install the controller E in a Vax 4000-500 but unfortunately it doesn't show up to the console " or the sysgen show/config command.D  So I guess I have to fiddle with the jumper setting on the card andD for that I need the documentation for that thing. A search on googleB turned up nothing useful, but surely someone out there still has a manual for that card ?  2 Here is the current output of $mc sysgen sh/config  9         System CSR and Vectors on 23-JUL-2004 16:32:52.46   '  Name: PAB  Units: 1  Nexus:1    (CI )  '  Name: PAA  Units: 1  Nexus:0    (CI )  '  Name: EZA  Units: 17 Nexus:2    (NI )  N  Name: PTA  Units: 1  Nexus:3    (UBA) CSR: 774500  Vector1: 260  Vector2: 000N  Name: XAA  Units: 1  Nexus:3    (UBA) CSR: 760240  Vector1: 300  Vector2: 000N  Name: PKA  Units: 1  Nexus:3    (UBA) CSR: 761300  Vector1: 304  Vector2: 000N  Name: PKB  Units: 1  Nexus:3    (UBA) CSR: 761400  Vector1: 310  Vector2: 000    E The CPU is a KA680 with integrated ethernet (EZA) and two DSSI busses I (PAA and PAB). PTA is a TKQ70 tape controller, XAA a DRV1W-SA (M7651-PA), G PKA and PKB two KZQSA SCSI controllers (M5976-SA). The KLESI controller < is plugged in but doesn't show up (it should appear as PTB).   Anyone can help ?    --  & 		Etienne Vogt (Etienne.Vogt@obspm.fr) 		System manager& 		Observatoire de Paris-Meudon, France   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:41:20 +0100 & From: Nic Clews <spamthis@[127.0.0.1]>+ Subject: Re: MSL SDLT tape library - DLT IV ' Message-ID: <cdr0vq$n5l$1@lore.csc.com>    Hal Kuff wrote: K >     We are running 7.3-1 with some SDLT MSL Tape libraries and are having N > trouble reading DLT IV tapes, the specs say this is doable... is anyone elseL > having issues.... we are not getting read errors, they just will not mount > and read.....   E Are you using the latest firmware on the drive? It is rather hard to  H find, but you need the tape tools, and you can download a VMS agent, or H a PC agent, and drag the firmware down from the web then blow it to the  drive.   --  E Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. Car Park Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 07:11:44 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)7 Subject: Re: MSL5000 tape Library in a hetrogeneous SAN 0 Message-ID: <newscache$2lma1i$a7y$1@news.sil.at>  ` In article <410063DE.4AACB447@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:G >A possible solution if you can sell it to the WhineBloze weenies is to A >get Legato Networker for OpenVMS and see if you can have the VMS 8 >machine(s) be the backup server(s) for the Wintel crap.  F Is Legato for OpenVMS now finally also a storage node ? Would be good.  E Last I looked (about 2 years ago) there was only a client for OpenVMS ( and Windows/UNIX had to be the server...   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:03:27 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com7 Subject: Re: MSL5000 tape Library in a hetrogeneous SAN Q Message-ID: <OF707346DA.95901B28-ON85256EDA.00422E94-85256EDA.00428D31@metso.com>   D peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote on 07/23/2004 03:11:44 AM:  > > In article <410063DE.4AACB447@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera% > <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: I > >A possible solution if you can sell it to the WhineBloze weenies is to C > >get Legato Networker for OpenVMS and see if you can have the VMS : > >machine(s) be the backup server(s) for the Wintel crap. > H > Is Legato for OpenVMS now finally also a storage node ? Would be good.  # Yes, for over a year, maybe longer.    > G > Last I looked (about 2 years ago) there was only a client for OpenVMS * > and Windows/UNIX had to be the server...   Time to look again ;-) .   >  > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:05:46 +0200 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>7 Subject: Re: MSL5000 tape Library in a hetrogeneous SAN B Message-ID: <4100ff1a$0$19744$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:b > In article <410063DE.4AACB447@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > H >>A possible solution if you can sell it to the WhineBloze weenies is toB >>get Legato Networker for OpenVMS and see if you can have the VMS9 >>machine(s) be the backup server(s) for the Wintel crap.  >  > H > Is Legato for OpenVMS now finally also a storage node ? Would be good. > G > Last I looked (about 2 years ago) there was only a client for OpenVMS * > and Windows/UNIX had to be the server... >    Take a look here...   A LEGATO Systems, Inc. - NetWorker OpenVMS Client and Storage Node 4 http://www.legato.com/products/networker/openvms.cfm   here...   > Including OpenVMS Oracle and Oracle Rdb database servers in a & heterogeneous backup solution - VTJ v4J http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/v4/backup_of_oracle_and_rdb.html   and here...   + NetWorker Support for OpenVMS - White Paper 7 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/v1/legato.htm    here too...   C Legato Software, a division of EMC - OpenVMS Business Partner Brief 4 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/legato/index.html   Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 07:18:29 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)+ Subject: Re: OpenVMS restarts while install 0 Message-ID: <newscache$bwma1i$19y$1@news.sil.at>  n In article <2f57764a.0407221956.fb6ca7e@posting.google.com>, ghazan@ghazan.haider.name (Ghazan Haider) writes:C >Ive looked around, and this has been asked in other threads, never ( >answered. Where is the HCL for OpenVMS?  . http://www.compaq.com/info/SP2501/SP2501PF.PDF  I If it isn't in the VMS SPD, then it isn't supported. Just like with a HCL    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:26:21 GMT & From: Joshua Cope <Joshua.Cope@hp.com>+ Subject: Re: OpenVMS restarts while install & Message-ID: <410103ED.DB302151@hp.com>   Ghazan Haider wrote: > F > Now when I do boot dqa to boot from the CD, I get the OpenVMS banner< > line, and it quickly reboot after showing some messages...  ) It might help if you posted the messages.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:40:03 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> % Subject: Re: OT: Pretty good Linux ad > Message-ID: <7r9Mc.19933$bI3.19437@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>   Frank Themann wrote:   > "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote: > A >>You'll need Shockwave or Flash players to see this, but it is a G >>hilarious Linux ad, put to the music of 'The Doors,' and does a smart 9 >>job of bashing MS at the same time...  Very creative...  >>< >>http://images.linspire.com/RunLinspireSong/RunLinspire.swf >> >  > This is really *good* stuff!   ditto!!    --   Michael Austin.  Consultant - Available. @ Donations welcomed. Http://www.firstdbasource.com/donations.html :)   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:17:13 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG% Subject: Re: OT: Pretty good Linux ad 0 Message-ID: <00A35437.72DE555C@SendSpamHere.ORG>  e In article <Sk0Mc.279$iu3.77@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>, Andrew Walters <awxrt001@yahoo.com> writes:  >David J Dachtera wrote: >  >> Frank Themann wrote:  >>>  >>> "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote: >>> > E >>> > You'll need Shockwave or Flash players to see this, but it is a K >>> > hilarious Linux ad, put to the music of 'The Doors,' and does a smart = >>> > job of bashing MS at the same time...  Very creative...  >>> > @ >>> > http://images.linspire.com/RunLinspireSong/RunLinspire.swf >>> >   >>> This is really *good* stuff! >>   >> Seconded... >>  	 >> D.J.D.  > ! >Yeah! And real music too ... :-)  > F >And the nice thing is they probably had this ready to go for when the6 >Lindows name bit the dust. No hard feelings Billster! >  >-- relax and enjoy your shoes    A ....AND look for the Marillion.com web site page in the video! :) 
 Very cool!   --  B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:23:50 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> " Subject: Re: Solaris to Itanium..., Message-ID: <41013B95.A3782EF7@teksavvy.com>   Rob Young wrote:G >         What we may be seeing is Sun publically putting IBM vs. Intel I >         and seeing how good a deal they can get out of Intel by letting G >         Intel know they are also kissing up with IBM.  Intel has been F >         known to throw around a few hundred million here and there.   M Intel probably doesn't want to get "too popular" and it may not be in Intel's G advantage to get Sun to drop Sparc. Consider the anti-trust issues if a 4 proprietary IA64 were to become "industry standard".  M Intel is far better off abandonning the proprietary IA64 and pushing its 8086 N where there is competition from AMD and thus less fear of anti-trust problems.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jul 2004 10:50:57 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) " Subject: Re: Solaris to Itanium...= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0407230950.3e8aec96@posting.google.com>   d "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message news:<mrudncEs9fZE4J3cRVn-qw@metrocast.net>...F > And SPARC64 is looking pretty credible these days, beating Itanic byM > respectable margins in jbb2000 at the 8-, 16, and 32-processor system sizes   A You seem to be a bit selective here in what CPU counts you cited. / Itanium is ahead at 64 CPUs: 1008604 vs. 835479 . and at 4 CPUs:                116466 vs. 58212. and at 2 CPUs:                 60225 vs. 30216  > In fact, you were very selective in terms of which entire SPEC= benchmarks you cited. If we look at even the most-obvious two  benchmarks:             Itanium    SPARC64  SPECint      1404      1345  SPECfp       2161      1803  we see a different picture.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.405 ************************                                                                                                                                         <<< TYPE A >>> 200 Type A ok.
 <<< PASVA >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,14,172)t <<< RETR ltkwidget.hc >>> 150 ASCII retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev40/xpdf/ltk/ltkwidget.h (4989 bytes) started.o: >>> 226 Transfer completed.  4368 (8) bytes transferred. <<< TYPE I >>> 200 Type I ok.
 <<< PASVA >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,14,173)/ <<< RETR ltkwindow.cc e >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev40/xpdf/ltk/ltkwindow.cc (10567 bytes) started..: >>> 226 Transfer completed.  9913 (8) bytes transferred. <<< TYPE A >>> 200 Type A ok.
 <<< PASVA >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,14,174)w <<< RETR ltkwindow.hc >>> 150 ASCII retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev40/xpdf/ltk/ltkwindow.h (5071 bytes) started..: >>> 226 Transfer completed.  4289 (8) bytes transferred. <<< TYPE I >>> 200 Type I ok.
 <<< PASVA >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,14,175)t <<< RETR makefilee` >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev40/xpdf/ltk/makefile (3911 bytes) started.: >>> 226 Transfer completed.  3257 (8) bytes transferred.
 <<< PASVA >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,14,176)e <<< RETR vmscomp.comc >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev40/xpdf/ltk/vmscomp.com (1647 bytes) started.r: >>> 226 Transfer completed.  1425 (8) bytes transferred.
 <<< PASVA >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,14,177)m <<< RETR vmsdecccomp.comg >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev40/xpdf/ltk/vmsdecccomp.com (1717 bytes) started.t: >>> 226 Transfer completed.  1355 (8) bytes transferred.
 <<< CDUP9 >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/freewarev40/xpdf.p
 <<< PASVA >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,14,178). <<< RETR makefilet\ >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev40/xpdf/makefile (1495 bytes) started.9 >>> 226 Transfer completed.  5