1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 25 Jul 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 408       Contents:! Re: Clusters and default gateways ' Re: Encouraging programming on OpenVMS? & Re: EXQUOTA SYSTEM's efault privilege?& Re: EXQUOTA SYSTEM's efault privilege?& Re: EXQUOTA SYSTEM's efault privilege?# Re: IDE card in older Alphastation?  Re: OT: Pretty good Linux ad Re: Solaris to Itanium...  Re: Solaris to Itanium...  Re: Solaris to Itanium...   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 01:22:06 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> * Subject: Re: Clusters and default gateways> Message-ID: <2XDMc.20546$3_6.14698@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com>   Alex Daniels wrote: @ > "Michael Austin" <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message: > news:hzuMc.20194$6Z2.12471@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com... > 
 >>Z wrote: >>? >>>Given a cluster and a default gateway intended to be used by @ >>>the entire cluster, should all the member nodes be set to the@ >>>same default gateway, just as if they were unclustered, or is% >>>the setup for a cluster different?  >>F >>The default gateway should be the same for each node but it could be >  > different, > J >>especially if your nodes reside in different buildings 100KM apart... or >  > are on > 2 >>a seperate outbound networks for redundancy.  :) >> >>--   >>Michael Austin.  >>Consultant - Available. B >>Donations welcomed. Http://www.firstdbasource.com/donations.html >>:) >  > 
 > Michael, > : > The URL referenced in your sig does not appear to exist. >  > Z, > N > Default Gateway is a term usually used to refer to a default router for TCP.H > In your cluster you may or may not be running TCP, it is certainly not > however a requirement. > H > As Michael says if your cluster is over multiple sites you will almost0 > without doubt have different default gateways. > L > The only other relevance to your question I can think of with Clusters, isM > if you are using FailSAFE IP, Load Broker/Metric Server, Pathworks/AS (with K > NetBIOS over IP), or the old IP Cluster Alias. At a guess (so don't quote M > me) I would say all of these require you to be on the VLAN/Ethernet segment E > and capable of being in the same subnet, but the default gateway is 
 > irrelevant.  > G > Load Broker/Metric Server however is a slight exception here as it is N > possible to put together configurations, where different cluster members areK > on totally different LANs for TCP, typically you would run Load Broker on = > another box not in the cluster, but connected to both LANs.  > G > In a purely clustering context, however default gateway is not in the J > equation, as clustering takes place with a layer 2  protocol called SCS,F > this is independent to TCP and thus any default gateway settings are > non-relevant.  > G > I would generally look to have SCS running over separate and multiple L > interconnects to my TCP (and any other) network traffic. You may of courseH > need to add extra Ethernet cards or other suitable interconnects. ThenN > employ 'MC SCACP' and/or programs in SYS$EXAMPLES to balance the SCS trafficD > away from the interconnects that run your other network protocols. >  > Alex >  >   P no wonder I wasn't getting any donations :)   I misspelled it when I typed into N my sig file.. both donation and donations now work.  I am still working on th B esilly button because it shows up differently from IE and Firefox.   --   Michael Austin.  Consultant - Available. @ Donations welcomed. Http://www.firstdbasource.com/donations.html :)   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 03:44:09 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>0 Subject: Re: Encouraging programming on OpenVMS?2 Message-ID: <d0GMc.6483$w16.5091@news.cpqcorp.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > John Reagan wrote: > D >>Many of the compiler frontends are common source between Alpha andJ >>Itanium, so it would be likely that future Alpha compiler releases would% >>contain language enhancements, etc.  >  > J >>but the rest of us aren't chopped liver either.  Also, per the contract,H >>we still have some access to the ex-GEM folks for levels of consulting >>and support if needed.   >  > O > You statement makes it sound like the VMS compilers are on their own even for E > IA64 with only access to "consulting" of the ex DEC compiler folks.   F That is true for the GEM based compilers.  You aren't expecting Intel & employees to work on our code, do you?   > M > I was under the impresison that VMS would have full access to the real IA64 L > compilers from Intel with just the VMS specific stuff constinuously added.  F The C++ compiler we are shipping on OpenVMS I64 is based on the Intel F compiler.  We have to take what they provide and VMS'ize it.  Some of B the changes are being folded back to some, others I'm not sure of.   > P > What exactly is Intel doing with its compiler people ? where is their software/ > going to be used on ? HP-UX ? Windows ? NSK ?   I I'm an HP employee.  If you want to know something about Intel's people,   I suggest asking Intel.        --   John Reagan / HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------   Date: 24 Jul 2004 16:57:26 GMT< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)/ Subject: Re: EXQUOTA SYSTEM's efault privilege? 0 Message-ID: <cdu4dm$5r1$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  a In article <MGvMc.1668$kU5.135590@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> writes:  > $ >Hopefully you have support with HP.  	 Yes I do.   0 >The system disk should not have quotas enabled.   Here it has since years.  B >But then, there should be plenty of free space on the system disk4 >AND, applications should not be on the system disk.  L Usually we don't install applications on the system disk. Unfortunately HP's0 own products tend to install on the system disk.  G >AMDS, which is free watches for shortages of space on the system disk.  >It's a great package.   I'll have a look into it.   L >Page files, swapfiles. and even dumpfiles can be moved off the system disk.  # That's what we have done years ago.   $ >Nightly batch jobs can clear space.  I That's what our nightly batch job called "GOOD_MORNING" does at midnight.   ; >I hope you don't have applications using your system disk.   E As I said above, tell me how to move MSA onto another disk. I managed H to move the spool disk for this application onto a separate disk. But it is an undocumented hack.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:59:00 +0100 < From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>/ Subject: Re: EXQUOTA SYSTEM's efault privilege? 5 Message-ID: <4102cd86$0$7122$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>   I "Christoph Gartmann" <gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens> wrote in message * news:cdu4dm$5r1$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de...J > In article <MGvMc.1668$kU5.135590@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> writes: > > & > >Hopefully you have support with HP. >  > Yes I do.  > 2 > >The system disk should not have quotas enabled. >  > Here it has since years. > D > >But then, there should be plenty of free space on the system disk6 > >AND, applications should not be on the system disk. > I > Usually we don't install applications on the system disk. Unfortunately  HP's2 > own products tend to install on the system disk. <SNIP>G > As I said above, tell me how to move MSA onto another disk. I managed J > to move the spool disk for this application onto a separate disk. But it > is an undocumented hack. <SNIP>  H If the products in question are PCSI installations, check out 'help prod
 instal/dest'.    Alex   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jul 2004 16:53:50 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) / Subject: Re: EXQUOTA SYSTEM's efault privilege? 3 Message-ID: <af$9M3N9phwG@eisner.encompasserve.org>   o In article <cdu4dm$5r1$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann) writes: c > In article <MGvMc.1668$kU5.135590@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> writes:  >>% >>Hopefully you have support with HP.  >  > Yes I do.  > 1 >>The system disk should not have quotas enabled.  >  > Here it has since years.  ; I have done that for years (at sites that use disk quotas).    The tradeoff is obvious.  I In some cases it might be advantageous to ensure that SYSTEM has infinite E quota but set protections and default ACLs such that files subject to E growth (on non-crucial applications) are owned by some other UIC (and 4 are not accessed by processes running with EXQUOTA).   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:05:39 -0400 " From: Glenn Everhart <gce@gce.com>, Subject: Re: IDE card in older Alphastation?3 Message-ID: <4102eb99$0$5640$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>    Lord Xenu wrote:E > Are there any third party PCI IDE cards that will work on an older   > Alphastation 255, so I canI > use an extra 60gig IDE drive I have rather than the 2 gig SCSI drive I   > have now?  > VMS 7.3-1. > F > I'll keep the SCSI drive as a boot/system disk, just want some room. >  > -x > C > _________________________________________________________________ ; > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*  - > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail  > I Specifically will the Promise card work? I am not assuming DMA would work A here, just wondering about slower programmed data transfer modes,  for as200 4/233.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 05:43:33 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>% Subject: Re: OT: Pretty good Linux ad * Message-ID: <2mgoj9Fmq97oU1@uni-berlin.de>   Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:B > You'll need Shockwave or Flash players to see this, but it is a H > hilarious Linux ad, put to the music of 'The Doors,' and does a smart 9 > job of bashing MS at the same time...  Very creative...  > < > http://images.linspire.com/RunLinspireSong/RunLinspire.swf >   J A better link, where you can download and play it offline can be found at:  ( http://www.linspire.com/run_linspire.php  8 and if you have Quicktime Pro, it works full screen too.   --  
 Paul Sture  - OS X: "It's Unix, Jim, but not as we know it"    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 17:39:59 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) " Subject: Re: Solaris to Itanium...L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2407041346140001@user-uinj504.dialup.mindspring.com>  5 In article <41008B98.31DFB10B@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei % <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:    >Bruno Saverio Delbono wrote: I >> Which is why there would be Fujitsu/SPARC64 :). Claiming SPARC is dead J >> is like claiming Alpha is dead (even though we are comparing apples and >> oranges). > O >Alpha IS dead. They have stopped all development of Alpha. The only thing left M >is for them to just change a crystal to make the existing EV7 perform at its  >originally intended speed.   I This is a lie. I'm tired of refuting it in detail.  Anyone interested can  likely find my previous posts.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 16:27:20 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>" Subject: Re: Solaris to Itanium...2 Message-ID: <7sWdnaH8UJl6WJ_cRVn-pg@metrocast.net>  B "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspringdot.com> wrote in messageF news:rdeininger-2407041346140001@user-uinj504.dialup.mindspring.com...7 > In article <41008B98.31DFB10B@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ' > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:  >  > >Bruno Saverio Delbono wrote: K > >> Which is why there would be Fujitsu/SPARC64 :). Claiming SPARC is dead L > >> is like claiming Alpha is dead (even though we are comparing apples and > >> oranges). > > L > >Alpha IS dead. They have stopped all development of Alpha. The only thing leftK > >is for them to just change a crystal to make the existing EV7 perform at  its  > >originally intended speed.  > K > This is a lie. I'm tired of refuting it in detail.  Anyone interested can   > likely find my previous posts.  , And can then decide whether you're credible.  F But in point of fact, you're verifiably wrong in this particular case.E While there may be some question about whether Alpha was deliberately H hobbled in clock rate to make sure it didn't reflect even more poorly onD Itanic than it already did, there's no question at all that it *was*K originally *planned* to run at 1.2 - 1.3 GHz - just as JF suggested.  Check  the J various presentations about EV7 that were made publicly in the 2001 - 2002I time-frame by people far more conversant with Alpha than you've ever been L (such as Pete Bannon, whose January, 2002 presentation - 8+ months after EV7K tape-out, according to Terry in a 6/22/01 Inquirer article - mentioned both A 1.2 and 1.25 GHz clock rates for EV7; the white paper that Compaq L commissioned from MDR in April, 2002, also specified a 1.2 GHz clock rate atK launch):  I don't know whether any mentioned 1.3 GHz, but I *am* reasonably 0 sure that none mentioned anything below 1.2 GHz.  H Now, having just made a statement yourself which someone less charitablyJ inclined than I am might justifiably call a 'lie', perhaps you'll be a bitL more restrained in the future about characterizing the statements of others.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:16:45 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> " Subject: Re: Solaris to Itanium..., Message-ID: <4102DFCA.2F81932F@teksavvy.com>   Robert Deininger wrote: K > This is a lie. I'm tired of refuting it in detail.  Anyone interested can   > likely find my previous posts.  N Do you deny that Carly has publicly stated that one reason they cancelled EV79L was that they realised that EV7 batches already produced showed that EV7 was% capable of running at higher speeds ?    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.408 ************************          2003_575.TXT ͡   2003_576.TXT ơ   2003_577.TXT     2003_578.TXT     2003_579.TXT y$    2003_580.TXT     2003_581.TXT     2003_582.TXT ¡   2003_583.TXT     2003_584.TXT ԡ                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             2003_585.TXT s    2003_586.TXT 
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