1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 25 Jul 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 409       Contents:! Re: Clusters and default gateways " Re: Disk Problems with an AXP 2100' Re: Encouraging programming on OpenVMS? # Re: IDE card in older Alphastation? # Re: IDE card in older Alphastation?  Microvax 3100-30 Re: Microvax 3100-30 Re: OT: Pretty good Linux ad Re: Solaris to Itanium... 1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? 1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 09:14:10 -0700  From: Z <z@no.spam> * Subject: Re: Clusters and default gateways0 Message-ID: <10g7n28ksb1mff7@corp.supernews.com>   Michael Austin wrote: G > The default gateway should be the same for each node but it could be  J > different, especially if your nodes reside in different buildings 100KM E > apart... or are on a seperate outbound networks for redundancy.  :)    Thanks.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:09:22 -0400 % From: "Chris" <mc.moore@sympatico.ca> + Subject: Re: Disk Problems with an AXP 2100 6 Message-ID: <naPMc.76$BU4.38171@news20.bellglobal.com>  J Similar experience to Paul's but on a 1000A.  Turned out that maximum SCSIK length was exceeded, but only became obvious once the power supply aged and K (presumably) dropped voltage slightly.  Drives (including the CD-ROM) would I go into mount verify on an irregular basis.  Removal of the last internal F disk, or the external tape drive would invariably resolve the problem.I Added an additional SCSI card for the tape drive and all's right with the @ world again (except that the DKAs became DKBs to VMS but NOT the console.....sigh)     7 "Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in message $ news:2m9kh7Fjm2emU1@uni-berlin.de... > Dr. Otto Titze wrote:  > > Hi,  > > 5 > > somewhat off topic but may be I get an hint here.  > > K > > On an AXP 2100 5/250 running under VMS we got increasing disk errors on L > > all DKA disk, finally the system didn't boot. The service changed nearly+ > > everything (motherboard, PCI Cards...).  > > L > > Afterwards(like before) the Alpha did not recognize all disks in consoleL > > mode (sh device). We tested a lot of disks in all slots. The former dka0I > > (an RZ28-VA, 2GB) is now not recognised at all, another 2GB (RZ28-VW) 5 > > is. Also 4GB disks (DS-DRZ1C8-VW) are recognised.  > > J > > We tested all disks on another AXP 2100 5/250, no problems, could bootL > > the old DKA0. Here we copied it to the RZ28-VW and one of the 4GB disks.K > > With the first the machine now runs stable. With the 4GB system disk we K > > get after some time hang-ups with PFW and the system disk repeats Mount G > > verification  Mount verification completed. Why do the disks ehave  > > differently? > > L > > Has anyone made a similar experience? Any idea what the reason could be?J > > Although the service nearly changed everything, but by sure he did not > > change the Power Supply. > >  > > Regards  > >  > > Otto > > 5 > > PS: The Alphas have the newest firmware revision.  > I > I had a similar experience a few years ago. My PWS 600au slowly started F > clocking disk errors, then wouldn't recognise all the disks and tape1 > after a reboot, finally ceasing to boot at all.  > H > I tested the system disk in another system and no problem; put in backE > in the original system and got problems. Tried again, and somewhere H > during this I disconnected the external tape and hey presto, my system > sprang back into life. > D > I concluded it was a SCSI cabling problem, as I'd also had anotherJ > external disk daisy chained off the tape, with a rather long cable. ThatL > has remained disconnected ever since, and I have seen no further problems. > ? > I can't explain the gradual deterioration except that maybe I - > accidentally knocked a cable at some point.  > . > Perhaps it's a cabling or connector problem. >  > --   > Paul Sture > / > OS X: "It's Unix, Jim, but not as we know it"    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:52:12 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG0 Subject: Re: Encouraging programming on OpenVMS?0 Message-ID: <00A3559C.6016081A@SendSpamHere.ORG>  [ In article <d0GMc.6483$w16.5091@news.cpqcorp.net>, John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> writes:  {...snip...}J >I'm an HP employee.  If you want to know something about Intel's people,  >I suggest asking Intel.  E And a damn fine HP emplyee at that!  I learned more about the itanium E over a few beers with John than I garnered from an entire week of the 	 bootcamp.   - Now if he only had a sense of humor! :D :D :D      --  B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 17:26:59 +1000 ' From: "alphadoc" <all.the.fun@the.fair> , Subject: Re: IDE card in older Alphastation?< Message-ID: <41035de5$0$25461$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>  L From a hardware point of view: the promise card may well require PCI v2.x toL work. The older alphastation may not be that advanced, and may be only v1.x.I I tried an HPT1000 based IDE raid card in a prioris box once. the prioris G only supported PCI v1.0, so the card was a complete waste of money, and > could not load its bios, see any drives, or be seen by the PC. Thanks. J Glenn Everhart wrote in message <4102eb99$0$5640$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>... >Lord Xenu wrote: E >> Are there any third party PCI IDE cards that will work on an older  >> Alphastation 255, so I can I >> use an extra 60gig IDE drive I have rather than the 2 gig SCSI drive I  >> have now?
 >> VMS 7.3-1.  >>G >> I'll keep the SCSI drive as a boot/system disk, just want some room.  >> >> -x  >>D >> _________________________________________________________________; >> STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* . >> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail >>J >Specifically will the Promise card work? I am not assuming DMA would workB >here, just wondering about slower programmed data transfer modes, >for as200 4/233.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 12:00:22 -0400 " From: Glenn Everhart <gce@gce.com>, Subject: Re: IDE card in older Alphastation?3 Message-ID: <4103d96c$0$5642$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>    alphadoc wrote: N > From a hardware point of view: the promise card may well require PCI v2.x toN > work. The older alphastation may not be that advanced, and may be only v1.x.K > I tried an HPT1000 based IDE raid card in a prioris box once. the prioris I > only supported PCI v1.0, so the card was a complete waste of money, and @ > could not load its bios, see any drives, or be seen by the PC.	 > Thanks. L > Glenn Everhart wrote in message <4102eb99$0$5640$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>... >  >>Lord Xenu wrote: >>E >>>Are there any third party PCI IDE cards that will work on an older  >>>Alphastation 255, so I can I >>>use an extra 60gig IDE drive I have rather than the 2 gig SCSI drive I  >>>have now?
 >>>VMS 7.3-1.  >>> G >>>I'll keep the SCSI drive as a boot/system disk, just want some room.  >>>  >>>-x  >>> D >>>_________________________________________________________________; >>>STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* . >>>http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail >>>  >>K >>Specifically will the Promise card work? I am not assuming DMA would work C >>here, just wondering about slower programmed data transfer modes,  >>for as200 4/233. >  >  > @ Actually I have a Promise ISA card, which is advertised to allow4 use of large IDE disks (>128gb) but will not do DMA.  < I've been using an IDEplex to control several IDE disks, but@ I've had enough troubles trying to fiddle with dkdriver in 7.3-1C that some solution that will "just work" would be preferable. I can ? always boot 7.3 to get faster access via the IDEplex but if the C Promise card would work with dqdriver, then every VMS upgrade would > not involve the uncertainties of trying to get a dkdriver that> would work with the (rather broken) IDEplex (the problem being@ totally incorrect handling by IDEplex of some SCSI commands), or> using my io$_diagnose hacks which work, but are a bit ugly and impact thruput as well.    Thanks for any advice.   Glenn Everhart   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:56:51 +1000 + From: "Henry" <radioencryption@hotmail.com>  Subject: Microvax 3100-30 U Message-ID: <41038ed1$0$31708$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au>    Hi,   K I have an old MicroVax 3100-30 that I would like to get operational. There  % is a picture of an identical unit at: H http://www.preatorian.net/portal/images/uploads/uVAX3100-30/P2240006.JPG and H http://www.preatorian.net/portal/images/uploads/uVAX3100-30/P2240002.JPG    8 I have some questions that I hope someone can help with.  I *Is there a user manual available for the MicroVax3100-30 online. I have  K found one for the Microvax3100 however mine is very different....different   back panel etc.   I *The lights on the back flick thought various patterns after powerup and   then stays stable when...  Light No 4,5,6,7 are all on  Light no 0 and 1 are on. What does this mean? I read L http://oldwww.nvg.ntnu.no/data/hardware/vax3100-leds.html however can't see  this combination.   G *Do I need to terminate the Ethernet port (BNC) before the system will  7 boot?The HDD on mine briefly lights up and is the dark.   D *Which connector is used for terminal? Do I need to have a terminal I connected for it to boot? I am planning on making an adapter and using a  H standard 25 pin null modem cable. I plan to use the pinout available at:0 http://anacin.nsc.vcu.edu/~jim/mvax/pinouts.html  < Please e-mail and I will summarise the answers to the group.   Thanks From, Henry.  * E-mail NO-SPAM-radioencryption@hotmail.com! Please delete the NO-SPAM- part.     ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 09:58:43 -0400 % From: "Chris" <mc.moore@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Re: Microvax 3100-30 6 Message-ID: <o0PMc.71$BU4.36521@news20.bellglobal.com>  I Console connects to port 3 (the RJ connector 3rd from the left looking at   the rear, not the 25-pin serial)  H Only requires 4-conductor line, but I can't recall if it's cross-over orL straight-through -- I'll check when I get in to work tomorrow.  (can let youG know about the LEDS then too, but in my experience, they won't tell you : anything that you wouldn't see from the console self-test.D The slide switch between the AUI and thinwire connectors needs to beK positioned towards the interface that you intend to use.  Once that is done J (with the power off) and power is cycled, the other interface doesn't needJ termination.  My experience with these is that the thinwire i'face is moreF likely to be flaky, we gave up on it unless there was no other choice.  E Console not essential for boot, if the system is properly set-up, but E necessary for troubleshooting (its the only place you'll see any POST 1 errors, and the only way to set boot device etc.)   I (btw most likely error(s) reported will be show that the battery is dead, M thus ROM settings are gone, so errors like clock, boot device etc. result --  E these can be safely ignored as long as you set the console parameters I interactively and remember that it'll lose them again if the system loses  power)   Chris     6 "Henry" <radioencryption@hotmail.com> wrote in messageO news:41038ed1$0$31708$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...  > Hi,  > L > I have an old MicroVax 3100-30 that I would like to get operational. There' > is a picture of an identical unit at: J > http://www.preatorian.net/portal/images/uploads/uVAX3100-30/P2240006.JPG > and J > http://www.preatorian.net/portal/images/uploads/uVAX3100-30/P2240002.JPG >  > : > I have some questions that I hope someone can help with. > J > *Is there a user manual available for the MicroVax3100-30 online. I haveL > found one for the Microvax3100 however mine is very different....different > back panel etc.  > J > *The lights on the back flick thought various patterns after powerup and > then stays stable when...  > Light No 4,5,6,7 are all on  > Light no 0 and 1 are on. > What does this mean? I read I > http://oldwww.nvg.ntnu.no/data/hardware/vax3100-leds.html however can't  see  > this combination.  > H > *Do I need to terminate the Ethernet port (BNC) before the system will9 > boot?The HDD on mine briefly lights up and is the dark.  > E > *Which connector is used for terminal? Do I need to have a terminal J > connected for it to boot? I am planning on making an adapter and using aJ > standard 25 pin null modem cable. I plan to use the pinout available at:2 > http://anacin.nsc.vcu.edu/~jim/mvax/pinouts.html > > > Please e-mail and I will summarise the answers to the group. >  > Thanks From, > Henry. > , > E-mail NO-SPAM-radioencryption@hotmail.com" > Please delete the NO-SPAM- part. >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2004 00:00:27 -0700% From: Vilmos Soti <vilmos@vilmos.org> % Subject: Re: OT: Pretty good Linux ad 2 Message-ID: <871xj0d110.fsf@localhost.localdomain>  , Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:   > Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:B >> You'll need Shockwave or Flash players to see this, but it is aB >> hilarious Linux ad, put to the music of 'The Doors,' and does a@ >> smart job of bashing MS at the same time...  Very creative...= >> http://images.linspire.com/RunLinspireSong/RunLinspire.swf  >> > L > A better link, where you can download and play it offline can be found at: > * > http://www.linspire.com/run_linspire.php  @ Actually, you can also download the first link directly and play it offline. Just do   ] $ lynx -source http://images.linspire.com/RunLinspireSong/RunLinspire.swf > ~/RunLinspire.swf   G then open up your mozilla, go to your home directory, then click on the 	 filename.    Vilmos   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:45:36 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> " Subject: Re: Solaris to Itanium..., Message-ID: <4103F1C0.E5AE3D3A@teksavvy.com>   Keith Parris wrote: @ > In fact, you were very selective in terms of which entire SPEC? > benchmarks you cited. If we look at even the most-obvious two 
 > benchmarks:     I When selective use of the same benchmarks allows you to position one chip K ahead of the other one minute, and vice versa the other minute, it probably 8 means that both chips are more or less on equal footing.  L What this really means is that with all its money and years of R&D, all that> Intel could achieve with that IA64 thing is parity with Sparc.  L Yeah, I know, there are great things in store for IA64 between now and 2007.3 But this statement also applies to Sparc and Power.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:57:04 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>: Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?0 Message-ID: <87oem4pr2n.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  # Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> writes:   M > On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 11:49:17 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  > wrote:  D >>The big question is how the Alpha vs IA64 will work. If IA64 isn'tC >>releived of its misery and continues to live, how long before the D >>code bases for Alpha and IA64 start to diverge and Alpha gets less& >>and less development to match IA64 ?  C > The code bases cannot diverge. Unlike VAX & Alpha there is single E > source code.  Of course hardware that is not available on Alpha for E > physical or electrical reasons cannot be supported but then Itanium 3 > will not support CI or DSSI for the same reasons.   E The common code base story has been sung before. What is the reason a G CIPCA or PCI DSSI adapter CAN'T be run on the great white wunder? Wrong  types of electrons? :)   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 08:48:21 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> : Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?8 Message-ID: <5rs6g05bbvhr4e2he5jash4qkdgm9o0t8c@4ax.com>  J On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:57:04 +0800, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:  $ >Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> writes: > N >> On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 11:49:17 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>	 >> wrote:  > E >>>The big question is how the Alpha vs IA64 will work. If IA64 isn't D >>>releived of its misery and continues to live, how long before theE >>>code bases for Alpha and IA64 start to diverge and Alpha gets less ' >>>and less development to match IA64 ?  > D >> The code bases cannot diverge. Unlike VAX & Alpha there is singleF >> source code.  Of course hardware that is not available on Alpha forF >> physical or electrical reasons cannot be supported but then Itanium4 >> will not support CI or DSSI for the same reasons. > F >The common code base story has been sung before. What is the reason aH >CIPCA or PCI DSSI adapter CAN'T be run on the great white wunder? Wrong >types of electrons? :)   M These are 5V PCI cards. There are no suitable slots on the Integrity systems.    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.409 ************************