1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 26 Jul 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 411       Contents:( =?ISO-8859-1?Q?OT:_Sun=B4s_AMD_Opteron?=! Re: Clusters and default gateways  CSWS 2.0 and Perl  DEC windows for VAX/VMS7.3 Re: DEC windows for VAX/VMS7.3" Re: downloading a VMS distribution! Re: DVDwrite Version 4.0 released ! Re: DVDwrite Version 4.0 released ! Re: DVDwrite Version 4.0 released  Re: Getting stuck . Re: Looking for KLESI controller documentation. Re: Looking for KLESI controller documentation. Re: Looking for KLESI controller documentation. Re: Looking for KLESI controller documentation. Re: Looking for KLESI controller documentation Re: Microvax 3100-305 OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL 9 Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL 9 Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL 9 Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL 9 Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL 9 Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL 9 Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL 9 Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL 9 Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL 9 Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL 9 Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL 9 Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL 9 Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL 9 Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL 9 Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL " Re: OpenVMS restarts while install" Re: OpenVMS restarts while install, Re: OT: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sun=B4s?= AMD Opteron, Re: OT: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sun=B4s?= AMD Opteron Rdb 7.0.5 on VMS 7.3-2 Re: Spam storage on VMS Mail Re: Spam storage on VMS Mail RE: Spam storage on VMS Mail1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? 1 Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution? % Re: Useful 'phpbb' installation guide $ Re: Who elects these boneheads? (OT)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2004 06:14:20 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)1 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?OT:_Sun=B4s_AMD_Opteron?= < Message-ID: <f30679fb.0407260514.32e3e8a@posting.google.com>   Well  & http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/v40z/  E "Sun's newest AMD Opteron-based workstations and servers speed 32-bit 1 applications into the 64-bit computing future..."    Life is changing ! :-)  E I think AMD may absorb Sparc technology too ! Or they dont need it ?    B A 64 bits processor is a 64 bits processor. What is the difference> of benchmark between them ? 1%, 2% ? It doesnt matter anymore.: If we have a massive production of 64 bits processors only? Intel and AMD can do that !  It will become a bi-polar industry 	 (choice).   C In fact Apple would try an Itanium or Opteron in the near future !  @ I am imagining an Integrity (if opened) to run OpenVMS, Solaris, Windows  and MacOS  ! ;-)   Regards    Fc   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2004 08:29:26 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) * Subject: Re: Clusters and default gateways3 Message-ID: <l6AoLM09k$R$@eisner.encompasserve.org>   F In article <10g350jciet7be9@corp.supernews.com>, Z <z@no.spam> writes:> > Given a cluster and a default gateway intended to be used by? > the entire cluster, should all the member nodes be set to the ? > same default gateway, just as if they were unclustered, or is $ > the setup for a cluster different?  D   Since cluster is completely separate from IP< which uses gateways,   the answer is "it depends".   E   On my networks, in order to be in a cluster you have to be in a LAN F   segment which will happen to have one IP gateway, so yes the cluster+   members all have to use the same gateway.   H   But it is possible to attach more than one IP gateway to a LAN segmentD   and have different members use different gateways.  The reason for'   doing so might be obscure, but valid.   F   If the reason for doing so is to control what systems have IP accessF   to other systems, then the network engineers don't understand that a)   VMScluster is a single security domain.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:21:54 +0200 , From: "Reinhard Eigner" <antispam@garnix.de> Subject: CSWS 2.0 and Perl/ Message-ID: <ce37hu$k4e$06$1@news.t-online.com>    Hi NG,  - I've a problem in using Perl on the CSWS 2.0. 7 Mozilla always shows my .pl file as a normal text file. D What's wrong? The Perl script runs on a RedHat Alpha machine before.  " I changed the line #!/usr/bin/perl to #!/perl_root/perl zu ndern,    mod_perl is active.   ' I there anything else what I have to do $ or is simply the syntax above wrong? Do you have any examples?    TIA  Reinhard   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:17:14 +0100 " From: "SCC" <simonc99@hotmail.com># Subject: DEC windows for VAX/VMS7.3 * Message-ID: <ce3aqi0e2r@news1.newsguy.com>   Howdy DECers...   L Have now (finally) managed to get my VAXstation 3100 m76 up and running with VMS7.3.   G Works a treat, although I'd like to try and use DECwindows if possible.   3 These packages are installed (from a DECW$TAILOR) :   % CLASS - DECwindows base support files 6           Size of entire class (with subclasses): 3213-           No subclasses in this tailor class. @           Do you wish to select the entire class (default = NO)?  , CLASS - DECwindows workstation support files6           Size of entire class (with subclasses): 9089>           Size of common files required for any subclass: 3724@           Do you wish to select the entire class (default = NO)?E           Do you wish to select any of its subclasses (default = NO)?   ) CLASS - 75 dots per inch video font files 6           Size of entire class (with subclasses): 3896-           No subclasses in this tailor class. @           Do you wish to select the entire class (default = NO)?  * CLASS - 100 dots per inch video font files6           Size of entire class (with subclasses): 4642-           No subclasses in this tailor class. @           Do you wish to select the entire class (default = NO)?  D And I've licensed what I can... This is from a DCL 'show license'...  C DW-MOTIF           DEC             0  0     100    0.0  17-MAR-2005  17-MAR-2005 C DW-SNA-3270-TE-VMS DEC             0  0     100    0.0  17-MAR-2005  17-MAR-2005   K Help! Anyone know how I set this up? Am I missing something?! I'm intending E to use a PC X-Server to connect to the machine via my TCP/IP network. ' Telnet, FTP, etc are working correctly.   ) Your help would be very much appreciated.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:23:49 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ' Subject: Re: DEC windows for VAX/VMS7.3 , Message-ID: <41053E23.D3B5D66B@teksavvy.com>  
 SCC wrote:I > Works a treat, although I'd like to try and use DECwindows if possible.  > 4 > These packages are installed (from a DECW$TAILOR)   4 DECW$TAILOR only deals with VMS specific components.  N You need to install a totally separate product DWMOTIF025 (or some more recentU version) I believe it is called. If you are on the hobyist CD, it should be in there.   N Bear in mind that with VMS 7.3, you loose the ability to run applications thatM assume presence of display postscript. (CDA viewer and decwrite come to mind, G but I think updated (versions are available that had that functionality V surgically removed so the app would work without the VMS display postscript support.).   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:02:28 -0700 & From: Tom Crabtree <tccrab@sunset.net>+ Subject: Re: downloading a VMS distribution , Message-ID: <ce329s02hct@enews3.newsguy.com>   Andrew:   " I too reside on the planet Norcal. In the Sacramento nebula area. Perhaps I can be of assistance?      TomC   Andrew Walters wrote:  > David J Dachtera wrote:  >  >  >>Don't need your address. >>? >>For example, I am in suburban Chicago, IL. Are you near here?  >  > : > Only cosmologically. I'm in NoCal (Northern California). > 3 > [Tofu. Yeah. Coffee that is mainly air. Woo. etc]  >  > -- >  relax and enjoy your shoes    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2004 08:23:02 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) * Subject: Re: DVDwrite Version 4.0 released3 Message-ID: <UNXzGSdvkLSO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <4101B662.F58A4F16@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > G > Despite what the marketeers like to do and have you believe, machines F > deal in powers of two, people deal in powers of 10. Get it wrong and0 > you'll find the results ... well, interesting.  B    And, unfortunately, standards organizations have recognized theD    vendor's way of counting disk space with their fingers instead of    thier bits.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2004 16:00:39 +0200C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) * Subject: Re: DVDwrite Version 4.0 released- Message-ID: <41050e87$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>   3 In article <UNXzGSdvkLSO@eisner.encompasserve.org>, = koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: = >In article <4101B662.F58A4F16@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera $ ><djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: >>  H >> Despite what the marketeers like to do and have you believe, machinesG >> deal in powers of two, people deal in powers of 10. Get it wrong and 1 >> you'll find the results ... well, interesting.  > C >   And, unfortunately, standards organizations have recognized the E >   vendor's way of counting disk space with their fingers instead of  >   thier bits.  >    GB = (10**3)**3  GiB = (2**10)**3   Eberhard   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:10:23 +0200 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> * Subject: Re: DVDwrite Version 4.0 released* Message-ID: <2mklihFnfn9tU1@uni-berlin.de>  5 On 2004-07-26 16:00, "Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann" wrote:    > [...]  >  > GB = (10**3)**3  > GiB = (2**10)**3  F Or see <http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html> for details and other units ...    Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:03:56 +0000 (UTC) - From: lewis@spyder.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)  Subject: Re: Getting stuck. Message-ID: <ce330c$q79$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes in article <Jz9Lc.6123$cc1.4041@news.cpqcorp.net> dated Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:00:09 GMT:  >Keith,  >  >> >J >> > The app was developed here at Mitre, so we are the software provider. >It A >> > uses an X-windows feature which I believe is called "overlay 
 >bit-planes". K >> > We use it to draw stuff on top of the base pixmap without altering it,  >so I >> > its easy to for the app undo the drawing.  I know for sure that that 
 >> featureK >> > breaks on DECW 1.2-6 and 1.3-X because I tried it.  Another thing that F >> > breaks it is using a color setting higher than 8 bits on whatever >displayL >> > platform (Windows/Exceed, Xvnc, or the Alpha console). Since the entireK >> > world is moving away from 8-bit color and nobody else has noticed this J >> > problem, it's probably a seldom-used feature of X-windows that nobody >will  >> > miss except us. >> > L >Your application broke indirectly as a result of V1.3.  The actual cause isK >that you are using an old card (probably a ZLXp-e2/3 i.e. a TGA2) that was J >supported via the Open3D *kit* (V4.9b).  This kit is being retired...  So* >you _will_ absolutely hit a wall in V8.2.   Fred,   F There was a problem earlier than that, in DECW 1.2-6 the "client" sideL broke.  Our production display platform is Intel/Win2000/Exceed.  It is niceF to be able to use the Alpha console for display at trade shows, but itE wouldn't be a serious problem if we had to bring a laptop for that.     L The real problem is that the X application running on the OpenVMS side can'tB send the overlay to any display unless I retro-install DECW 1.2-5.  M >The first thing to do is re-install Open3D V4.9b.  If this does not fix your G >problem, please file a bug report, since it should continue to work in  >V7.3-2.  K OK, having recently revived our software support contract, I will file one. K I think I even have a workstation with an OPEN3D license.  (We never needed < the OPEN3D SW for our app to run displayed on a PC, though.)  K >The other thing that they specialize in is overlay planes.  The cards, and I >their DDX provide traditional overlay planes, mixed 8 plane and 24 plane B >visuals, and a specialized extension called MOX (Multiple OverlayL >eXtension).  They do a lot of work for ATC, Radar and medical imaging... soB >they have experience with defense stuff (since you are Mitre ;-).  K We've been using Techsource for Unix displays for years, and yes we do have J some 2Kx2K monitors (CRTs even!).  But we abandoned the expensive stuff onG the VMS side some time ago, doing the PC display thing instead.  With a < display:alphaserver ratio of 50:1, it saved a lot of cash.    I >You won't see it on their website yet, but they support OpenVMS Alpha on & >V7.3-1 and are about to port to IA64.  L Techsource on OpenVMS/Alpha...  That's interesting, and if it had happened 5% years ago I could have bought some.     0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 09:04:59 +0000 (UTC) * From: Etienne Vogt <vogt@siolinb.obspm.fr>7 Subject: Re: Looking for KLESI controller documentation 2 Message-ID: <slrncg9i9n.hv7.vogt@siolinb.obspm.fr>  I In article <c34f4f8b.0407230955.3bd36515@posting.google.com>, Vadim Model   wrote:   F > It might be configured for the same address as your TQK70 card. JustG > try to replace TQK70 with your KLESI board. If it works then you will D > need to change address on one of the boards (jumpers or switches).  B That's why I need the documentation. Do you know if it's available somewhere ?    --   		Etienne Vogt   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2004 08:21:05 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 7 Subject: Re: Looking for KLESI controller documentation 3 Message-ID: <b9YskoA89hnO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <slrncg28qc.80q.vogt@siolinb.obspm.fr>, Etienne Vogt <etienne.vogt@obspm.fr> writes:  > Hi there,  > C >  I just got a second hand TU81 Plus tape drive and its associated K > KLESI Q-bus controller (M7740-PA). I have tried to install the controller G > in a Vax 4000-500 but unfortunately it doesn't show up to the console $ > or the sysgen show/config command.F >  So I guess I have to fiddle with the jumper setting on the card andF > for that I need the documentation for that thing. A search on googleD > turned up nothing useful, but surely someone out there still has a > manual for that card ? > 4 > Here is the current output of $mc sysgen sh/config > ; >         System CSR and Vectors on 23-JUL-2004 16:32:52.46  > ) >  Name: PAB  Units: 1  Nexus:1    (CI )  ) >  Name: PAA  Units: 1  Nexus:0    (CI )  ) >  Name: EZA  Units: 17 Nexus:2    (NI )  P >  Name: PTA  Units: 1  Nexus:3    (UBA) CSR: 774500  Vector1: 260  Vector2: 000P >  Name: XAA  Units: 1  Nexus:3    (UBA) CSR: 760240  Vector1: 300  Vector2: 000P >  Name: PKA  Units: 1  Nexus:3    (UBA) CSR: 761300  Vector1: 304  Vector2: 000P >  Name: PKB  Units: 1  Nexus:3    (UBA) CSR: 761400  Vector1: 310  Vector2: 000 >  > G > The CPU is a KA680 with integrated ethernet (EZA) and two DSSI busses K > (PAA and PAB). PTA is a TKQ70 tape controller, XAA a DRV1W-SA (M7651-PA), I > PKA and PKB two KZQSA SCSI controllers (M5976-SA). The KLESI controller > > is plugged in but doesn't show up (it should appear as PTB). >  > Anyone can help ?   H    Now that you know what the current configuration looks like, re-enterD    it into the SYSGEN config utility until you can reproduce exactlyG    what is actually there.  Then add the KLESI and see what the CSR and     vector need to be.    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:02:26 +0000 (UTC) * From: Etienne Vogt <vogt@siolinb.obspm.fr>7 Subject: Re: Looking for KLESI controller documentation 2 Message-ID: <slrncgae8n.8o0.vogt@siolinb.obspm.fr>  F In article <b9YskoA89hnO@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Bob Koehler wrote:J >    Now that you know what the current configuration looks like, re-enterF >    it into the SYSGEN config utility until you can reproduce exactlyI >    what is actually there.  Then add the KLESI and see what the CSR and  >    vector need to be.   D I can't get the two KZQSA cards into sysgen config. I don't know theA DEVICE> keyword to use (KZQSA is not accepted). Without them, the 4 CSR for the second tape controller should be 760404.  B But I *need* the documentation for the KLESI card anyway. How am IH supposed to set the correct CSR without the doc ? By trying all the 1024/ possible combinations of the 10 microswitches ?    --   		Etienne Vogt.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:12:11 +0100 * From: "Paul Williams" <news@celigne.co.uk>7 Subject: Re: Looking for KLESI controller documentation 9 Message-ID: <pan.2004.07.26.17.12.05.36699@celigne.co.uk>   7 On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:02:26 +0000, Etienne Vogt wrote:   D > But I *need* the documentation for the KLESI card anyway. How am IJ > supposed to set the correct CSR without the doc ? By trying all the 10241 > possible combinations of the 10 microswitches ?   I I don't know whether this is the right document, because I don't know how J many variants of KLESI there are, but have you seen that "KLESI-SF Q22-bus- Adapter Option Installation Guide" is online?   E Manx points to http://vt100.net/mirror/antonio/klesiin1.pdf (7.4 MiB)    --   PaulD Manx, a catalogue of online computer manuals: http://vt100.net/manx/   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:23:30 -0500 (CDT)  From: sms@antinode.org7 Subject: Re: Looking for KLESI controller documentation ) Message-ID: <04072612233031@antinode.org>   * From: Etienne Vogt <vogt@siolinb.obspm.fr>  G    Earlier direct e-mail failed, and a message to Info-VAX seems not to > have been distributed (but Google showed it).  It's a mystery.  F > I can't get the two KZQSA cards into sysgen config. I don't know theC > DEVICE> keyword to use (KZQSA is not accepted). Without them, the 6 > CSR for the second tape controller should be 760404.  9    In SYSGEN CONFIGURE for a KZQSA, specify device "QZA".   D > But I *need* the documentation for the KLESI card anyway. How am IJ > supposed to set the correct CSR without the doc ? By trying all the 10241 > possible combinations of the 10 microswitches ?       I'll try again.      Google search for M7740, and D http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-vax/1998/10/10/0006.html suggests:  ,     Switch:             1  2 3 4  5 6 7  8 9  5    1  1 1 1  1 1 1  1 1 1  1 0 0  1 0 1  0 0 0  0 0 0   3    1    7      7      7      4      5      0      0     A    When I woke my VAXstation 3200 (or MicroVAX 3600, depending on G whether the grapgics cards are in), I also (again) ran into the mystery A device names problem with SYSGEN CONFIGURE.  The console firmware E CONFIGURE seems to recognize many device names which SYSGEN CONFIGURE G does not.  I've updated my Q-bus hardware Web pages to note these, so a E Web search for KZQSA should now provide this datum.  For a good time, H DUMP SYSGEN.EXE and look around.  It's effective, if not convenient.  OfG course, whether you connect QZA with KZQSA may depend on how your brain  is (mis-) wired.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 06:20:34 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: Microvax 3100-30 1 Message-ID: <newscache$974g1i$o8d1$1@news.sil.at>   \ In article <41044453.371666E2@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:L >Also just a comment: the Microvax 3100 is a totally differeant beast from aN >Vaxstation 3100. (different chip, different motherboard, different connectors >in the back).  ' Make this, it depends what model it is. B A MicroVAX 3100 Model 10 is the same as a VAXstation 3000 Model 30N and a MicroVAX 3100 Model 20 is the same as a VAXstation 3000 Model 40 (IIRC).J Later models were different and there were more models of MV than of VS...   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:55:10 +0200 - From: "Starlet731" <starlet731@attglobal.net> > Subject: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL0 Message-ID: <q6WdnXUoyMhcY5ncRVnyiA@scarlet.biz>   Hello,  F Does anyone know how you could connect an OpenVMS Alpha system runningC V7.3-1 to the internet via ADSL. The system should use two ethernet K interfaces (one for internal network to perform as a gateway/router for the F client machines on Windows XP so they can connect to the internet) andH should use a similar protocol like PPPOE on UNIX. I have read that PPPOEJ doesn't exist on OpenVMS. I have an external ADSL modem Thomson SpeedtouchL 510 via an ethernet that now runs on UNIX (FreeBSD) with PPPOE. I would like< to use OpenVMS instead for this function (internet gateway).  * Can anyone help me with this setup please?   Thanks!    Jan Vaas   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:23:40 GMT + From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) B Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL3 Message-ID: <wB7Nc.30136$pR5.5645@fe2.texas.rr.com>   , Starlet731 (starlet731@attglobal.net) wrote: : Hello, : H : Does anyone know how you could connect an OpenVMS Alpha system runningE : V7.3-1 to the internet via ADSL. The system should use two ethernet M : interfaces (one for internal network to perform as a gateway/router for the H : client machines on Windows XP so they can connect to the internet) andJ : should use a similar protocol like PPPOE on UNIX. I have read that PPPOEL : doesn't exist on OpenVMS. I have an external ADSL modem Thomson SpeedtouchN : 510 via an ethernet that now runs on UNIX (FreeBSD) with PPPOE. I would like> : to use OpenVMS instead for this function (internet gateway). : , : Can anyone help me with this setup please? : 	 : Thanks!  : 
 : Jan Vaas :   D Why not add a soho router such as a Linksys BEFSR41 or Netgear RP614$ between your LAN and the ADSL modem?  3 It'll use a lot less electricity than any computer.      --Jerry Leslie9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:42:37 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>B Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL* Message-ID: <2mkg2hFnodpmU1@uni-berlin.de>  
 leslie wrote: . > Starlet731 (starlet731@attglobal.net) wrote:
 > : Hello, > : J > : Does anyone know how you could connect an OpenVMS Alpha system runningG > : V7.3-1 to the internet via ADSL. The system should use two ethernet O > : interfaces (one for internal network to perform as a gateway/router for the J > : client machines on Windows XP so they can connect to the internet) andL > : should use a similar protocol like PPPOE on UNIX. I have read that PPPOEN > : doesn't exist on OpenVMS. I have an external ADSL modem Thomson SpeedtouchP > : 510 via an ethernet that now runs on UNIX (FreeBSD) with PPPOE. I would like@ > : to use OpenVMS instead for this function (internet gateway). > : . > : Can anyone help me with this setup please? > :  > : Thanks!  > :  > : Jan Vaas > :  > F > Why not add a soho router such as a Linksys BEFSR41 or Netgear RP614& > between your LAN and the ADSL modem? >   < If the Thmpson SpeedTouch 510 Jan has is the one reviewed at  @ http://www.adslguide.org.uk/hardware/reviews/2002/q4/st510v4.asp  # then it already has the capability.    --  
 Paul Sture  - OS X: "It's Unix, Jim, but not as we know it"    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:44:08 +0200 - From: "Starlet731" <starlet731@attglobal.net> B Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL0 Message-ID: <Bq-dnSU2_L-jl5jcRVnyiw@scarlet.biz>  K Thank you for the advise, but I would rather use a dedicated OpenVMS system L for the connection. These routers have only 4 ports and I have 10 computers.  - Do you know how to set this up under OpenVMS?    Thanks!   	 Jan Vaas.   : "leslie" <LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM> schreef in bericht- news:wB7Nc.30136$pR5.5645@fe2.texas.rr.com... . > Starlet731 (starlet731@attglobal.net) wrote:
 > : Hello, > : J > : Does anyone know how you could connect an OpenVMS Alpha system runningG > : V7.3-1 to the internet via ADSL. The system should use two ethernet K > : interfaces (one for internal network to perform as a gateway/router for  the J > : client machines on Windows XP so they can connect to the internet) andL > : should use a similar protocol like PPPOE on UNIX. I have read that PPPOEC > : doesn't exist on OpenVMS. I have an external ADSL modem Thomson 
 SpeedtouchK > : 510 via an ethernet that now runs on UNIX (FreeBSD) with PPPOE. I would  like@ > : to use OpenVMS instead for this function (internet gateway). > : . > : Can anyone help me with this setup please? > :  > : Thanks!  > :  > : Jan Vaas > :  > F > Why not add a soho router such as a Linksys BEFSR41 or Netgear RP614& > between your LAN and the ADSL modem? > 5 > It'll use a lot less electricity than any computer.  >  >  > --Jerry Leslie; >   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:48:51 +0200 - From: "Starlet731" <starlet731@attglobal.net> B Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL0 Message-ID: <Y7GdneUpxL3ilpjcRVnyjg@scarlet.biz>   Hello Paul,   I My own modem does not have the 4 ethernet ports option (it's the standard F type with just 1 ethernet port to the ethernet card and a line port toC ADSL). It's just for the internet connection via ADSL on my FreeBSD I computer. This system uses NAT to serve the internet connection to the XP 3 clients in the internal network and it works great.   K My aim is now to use OpenVMS instead for this function with all my existing  equitpment.    Thanks anyway!   Jan Vaas  9 "Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> schreef in bericht $ news:2mkg2hFnodpmU1@uni-berlin.de... > leslie wrote: 0 > > Starlet731 (starlet731@attglobal.net) wrote: > > : Hello, > > : L > > : Does anyone know how you could connect an OpenVMS Alpha system runningI > > : V7.3-1 to the internet via ADSL. The system should use two ethernet I > > : interfaces (one for internal network to perform as a gateway/router  for the L > > : client machines on Windows XP so they can connect to the internet) andH > > : should use a similar protocol like PPPOE on UNIX. I have read that PPPOE E > > : doesn't exist on OpenVMS. I have an external ADSL modem Thomson 
 SpeedtouchG > > : 510 via an ethernet that now runs on UNIX (FreeBSD) with PPPOE. I 
 would likeB > > : to use OpenVMS instead for this function (internet gateway). > > : 0 > > : Can anyone help me with this setup please? > > : 
 > > : Thanks!  > > :  > > : Jan Vaas > > :  > > H > > Why not add a soho router such as a Linksys BEFSR41 or Netgear RP614( > > between your LAN and the ADSL modem? > >  > > > If the Thmpson SpeedTouch 510 Jan has is the one reviewed at > B > http://www.adslguide.org.uk/hardware/reviews/2002/q4/st510v4.asp > % > then it already has the capability.  >  > --   > Paul Sture > / > OS X: "It's Unix, Jim, but not as we know it"    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:08:58 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>B Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL* Message-ID: <2mkhjvFnq9itU1@uni-berlin.de>   Starlet731 wrote:   ; > "Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> schreef in bericht & > news:2mkg2hFnodpmU1@uni-berlin.de... >  >>leslie wrote:  >>/ >>>Starlet731 (starlet731@attglobal.net) wrote:  >>>: Hello,  >>>:K >>>: Does anyone know how you could connect an OpenVMS Alpha system running H >>>: V7.3-1 to the internet via ADSL. The system should use two ethernetH >>>: interfaces (one for internal network to perform as a gateway/router > 	 > for the  > K >>>: client machines on Windows XP so they can connect to the internet) and G >>>: should use a similar protocol like PPPOE on UNIX. I have read that  >  > PPPOE  > D >>>: doesn't exist on OpenVMS. I have an external ADSL modem Thomson >  > Speedtouch > F >>>: 510 via an ethernet that now runs on UNIX (FreeBSD) with PPPOE. I >  > would like > A >>>: to use OpenVMS instead for this function (internet gateway).  >>>:/ >>>: Can anyone help me with this setup please?  >>>: >>>: Thanks! >>>:
 >>>: Jan Vaas  >>>: >>> G >>>Why not add a soho router such as a Linksys BEFSR41 or Netgear RP614 ' >>>between your LAN and the ADSL modem?  >>>  >>> >>If the Thmpson SpeedTouch 510 Jan has is the one reviewed at >>B >>http://www.adslguide.org.uk/hardware/reviews/2002/q4/st510v4.asp >>% >>then it already has the capability.  >> >>--   >>Paul Sture >>/ >>OS X: "It's Unix, Jim, but not as we know it"  >  >  >     > Hello Paul,  >L  > My own modem does not have the 4 ethernet ports option (it's the standardI  > type with just 1 ethernet port to the ethernet card and a line port to F  > ADSL). It's just for the internet connection via ADSL on my FreeBSDL  > computer. This system uses NAT to serve the internet connection to the XP6  > clients in the internal network and it works great.  >F  > My aim is now to use OpenVMS instead for this function with all my  existing  > equitpment.  >  > Thanks anyway!   >  < I have an ADSL modem/router.with a single ethernet port too.   This is the setup I have:      ----------------    ------- G | Modem/router |----| Hub |--> 2 VMS systems, 1 Mac, plus more at times  ----------------    -------   I I have given all my systems fixed IP addresses in the range 192.168.1.n,   with the router at 192.168.1.1.   @ On each system, I have configured 192.168.1.1 to be the gateway.  = This is done on VMS using TCP/IP Services like the following:    $ ! Now configure the gateway  $ * $ tcpip set route/default/gate=192.168.1.1/ $ tcpip set route/default/gate=192.168.1.1/perm  $  $ ! Now set up the DNS servers $ G $ tcpip set config name/server=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx	! ISP supplied DNS IP #1 G $ tcpip set config name/server=yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy	! ISP supplied DNS IP #2  $  $ ! And Restart TCIP  I Full transcript of sessions to configure TCP/IP services from scratch is   at http://www.sture.homeip.net/    --  
 Paul Sture  - OS X: "It's Unix, Jim, but not as we know it"    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:47:35 +0200 - From: "Starlet731" <starlet731@attglobal.net> B Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL0 Message-ID: <bdOdnf4RcciGhJjcRVnyhw@scarlet.biz>   Hello Paul,   G Thank you for the information. Do you also know how the set the OpenVMS G system as gateway and how to set up the ADSL connection on it using the J Thomson Speedtouch 510 ADSL modem instead of configuring on OpenVMS how to* reach the gateway that is on other system?   Thanks!    Jan Vaas  9 "Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> schreef in bericht $ news:2mkhjvFnq9itU1@uni-berlin.de... > Starlet731 wrote:  > = > > "Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> schreef in bericht ( > > news:2mkg2hFnodpmU1@uni-berlin.de... > >  > >>leslie wrote:  > >>1 > >>>Starlet731 (starlet731@attglobal.net) wrote: 
 > >>>: Hello,  > >>>:E > >>>: Does anyone know how you could connect an OpenVMS Alpha system  running J > >>>: V7.3-1 to the internet via ADSL. The system should use two ethernetJ > >>>: interfaces (one for internal network to perform as a gateway/router > >  > > for the  > > I > >>>: client machines on Windows XP so they can connect to the internet)  and I > >>>: should use a similar protocol like PPPOE on UNIX. I have read that  > >V	 > > PPPOEJ > >0F > >>>: doesn't exist on OpenVMS. I have an external ADSL modem Thomson > >t > > Speedtouch > >aH > >>>: 510 via an ethernet that now runs on UNIX (FreeBSD) with PPPOE. I > >i > > would like > > C > >>>: to use OpenVMS instead for this function (internet gateway).  > >>>:1 > >>>: Can anyone help me with this setup please?4 > >>>: > >>>: Thanks! > >>>: > >>>: Jan Vaas  > >>>: > >>>rI > >>>Why not add a soho router such as a Linksys BEFSR41 or Netgear RP614 ) > >>>between your LAN and the ADSL modem?k > >>>  > >>@ > >>If the Thmpson SpeedTouch 510 Jan has is the one reviewed at > >>D > >>http://www.adslguide.org.uk/hardware/reviews/2002/q4/st510v4.asp > >>' > >>then it already has the capability.t > >> > >>-- A > >>Paul Sture > >>1 > >>OS X: "It's Unix, Jim, but not as we know it"n > >l > >7 > >- >n >  > Hello Paul, >  >E >  > My own modem does not have the 4 ethernet ports option (it's thep standardK >  > type with just 1 ethernet port to the ethernet card and a line port toiH >  > ADSL). It's just for the internet connection via ADSL on my FreeBSDK >  > computer. This system uses NAT to serve the internet connection to thep XP8 >  > clients in the internal network and it works great. >  >G >  > My aim is now to use OpenVMS instead for this function with all myc
 > existing >  > equitpment. >  > >  > Thanks anyway!- >  > >g> > I have an ADSL modem/router.with a single ethernet port too. >e > This is the setup I have:l >  >3 > ----------------    -------AI > | Modem/router |----| Hub |--> 2 VMS systems, 1 Mac, plus more at timesl > ----------------    -------s >AJ > I have given all my systems fixed IP addresses in the range 192.168.1.n,! > with the router at 192.168.1.1.  > B > On each system, I have configured 192.168.1.1 to be the gateway. >e? > This is done on VMS using TCP/IP Services like the following:w >s > $ ! Now configure the gatewayb > $s, > $ tcpip set route/default/gate=192.168.1.11 > $ tcpip set route/default/gate=192.168.1.1/perm- > $-  > $ ! Now set up the DNS servers > $lI > $ tcpip set config name/server=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx ! ISP supplied DNS IP #1cI > $ tcpip set config name/server=yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy ! ISP supplied DNS IP #25 > $e > $ ! And Restart TCIP > J > Full transcript of sessions to configure TCP/IP services from scratch is! > at http://www.sture.homeip.net/d >- > -- p > Paul Sture >h/ > OS X: "It's Unix, Jim, but not as we know it"g   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:49:58 +0200t From: Lars <lars@post.cz> B Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL0 Message-ID: <ce35mk$6r0$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Starlet731 wrote:t
 > Hello Paul,p > I > Thank you for the information. Do you also know how the set the OpenVMS I > system as gateway and how to set up the ADSL connection on it using theuL > Thomson Speedtouch 510 ADSL modem instead of configuring on OpenVMS how to, > reach the gateway that is on other system? > 	 > Thanks!- > 
 > Jan VaasH As you wrote in the beginning of the thread, there is no implementation I of PPOE on OVMS (as far as I know). You can set up the OVMS machine as a -H gateway, but you'll need another machine to do the authorization, which  is not what you probably want..a     Jirka    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:03:56 +0200e* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>B Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL* Message-ID: <2mkkr1FnqcplU1@uni-berlin.de>   Lars wrote:s >  >  > Starlet731 wrote:o >  >> Hello Paul, >>J >> Thank you for the information. Do you also know how the set the OpenVMSJ >> system as gateway and how to set up the ADSL connection on it using theG >> Thomson Speedtouch 510 ADSL modem instead of configuring on OpenVMS  	 >> how tot- >> reach the gateway that is on other system?  >>
 >> Thanks! >> >> Jan Vaase > J > As you wrote in the beginning of the thread, there is no implementation K > of PPOE on OVMS (as far as I know). You can set up the OVMS machine as a eJ > gateway, but you'll need another machine to do the authorization, which ! > is not what you probably want..c >   E Now I see the problem. My modem/router does the PPPoE authentication : itself, but at  " http://www.dslreports.com/faq/6100  H we see that Jan's will only do that if he has the Speed Touch Pro and a  certain level of firmware.  A "Q: Can a Speedtouch modem perform PPPoE authentication? (#6100)	i  I A: It depends. The majority of Alcatel Speedtouch modems do NOT have the p@ PPPoE protocol or stack built in to them, therefore they cannot C authenticate to a PPPoE based service without PPPoE software being e! installed on the client computer.y  D However, if your Speed Touch Pro (with firewall) modem has firmware G version 3.430 or later, PPPoE authentication by the modem is possible.  ' See here for more info: Alcatel PPPoE"j   -- C
 Paul Sture  - OS X: "It's Unix, Jim, but not as we know it"u   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:06:34 +0200o- From: "Starlet731" <starlet731@attglobal.net>kB Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL0 Message-ID: <M8-dnQPMYa4QgJjcRVnyhw@scarlet.biz>   Hallo Lars,   I This is indeed not what I want. The single OpenVMS system needs to make asK connection with my Thomson Speedtouch 510 ADSL modem (with 1 ethernet port)wJ to the ADSL service. So in this way I can reach the internet directly from my OpenVMS system.L Additionaly I need to setup this OpenVMS system as a gateway for my internalK network of Windows XP clients (or other, e.g. Linux). This internal network I will be connected to a second ethernet card in the OpenVMS machine. So inbI this way the OpenVMS system functions as a gateway/router for the clients J who all point to the IP address of the OpenVMS system to reach te internet (default gateway).  L I have already this configuration perfectly running, but with a i386 machineL running FreeBSD as gateway. I just want the FreeBSD gateway replaced with anD OpenVMS system with the same equipment (hardware), of coarse with anE AlphaServer. Are there any other supported protocols under OpenVMS tocK communicate with the modem instead of PPPOE (PPP over Ethernet)? I know the ) modem also supports PPPOA (PPP over ATM).R  C Do you have advise how to set this up without additional equipment?    Thanks!R   Jan Vaas  ( "Lars" <lars@post.cz> schreef in bericht* news:ce35mk$6r0$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... >o >e > Starlet731 wrote:n > > Hello Paul,e > >mK > > Thank you for the information. Do you also know how the set the OpenVMSlK > > system as gateway and how to set up the ADSL connection on it using the2K > > Thomson Speedtouch 510 ADSL modem instead of configuring on OpenVMS howu to. > > reach the gateway that is on other system? > >3 > > Thanks!t > >v > > Jan VaasI > As you wrote in the beginning of the thread, there is no implementationsJ > of PPOE on OVMS (as far as I know). You can set up the OVMS machine as aI > gateway, but you'll need another machine to do the authorization, whichl! > is not what you probably want..o >m >  > Jirkae   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:16:32 +0200n- From: "Starlet731" <starlet731@attglobal.net> B Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL0 Message-ID: <DIGdncP5S555gpjcRVnyvA@scarlet.biz>  K I don't have a Speedtouch Pro. I know my modem has PPPOE build in. So I can L connect directly my ADSL modem to the internet using a Web Browser or CLI of
 the modem.  D But how do the other systems on my internal network know to find theJ internet connection? Is it enough then to connect the OpenVMS box directly) (via the 2nd ethernet card) to the modem?.  H Then the gateway for the OpenVMS box will be the modem with a certain IP% address. Standard this is 10.0.0.138. J But how will the other clients (not directly connected to the modem) reach< the internet. Must this be configured on the OpenVMS system?   Thanks!    Jan Vaas  9 "Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> schreef in berichto$ news:2mkkr1FnqcplU1@uni-berlin.de...
 > Lars wrote:  > >i > >n > > Starlet731 wrote:  > >  > >> Hello Paul, > >>L > >> Thank you for the information. Do you also know how the set the OpenVMSL > >> system as gateway and how to set up the ADSL connection on it using theH > >> Thomson Speedtouch 510 ADSL modem instead of configuring on OpenVMS > >> how toa/ > >> reach the gateway that is on other system?a > >> > >> Thanks! > >>
 > >> Jan Vaas: > > K > > As you wrote in the beginning of the thread, there is no implementationeL > > of PPOE on OVMS (as far as I know). You can set up the OVMS machine as aK > > gateway, but you'll need another machine to do the authorization, whichg# > > is not what you probably want..n > >  > F > Now I see the problem. My modem/router does the PPPoE authentication > itself, but at >-$ > http://www.dslreports.com/faq/6100 >2I > we see that Jan's will only do that if he has the Speed Touch Pro and au > certain level of firmware. >eB > "Q: Can a Speedtouch modem perform PPPoE authentication? (#6100) >NJ > A: It depends. The majority of Alcatel Speedtouch modems do NOT have theA > PPPoE protocol or stack built in to them, therefore they cannotnD > authenticate to a PPPoE based service without PPPoE software being# > installed on the client computer.d >nE > However, if your Speed Touch Pro (with firewall) modem has firmwarepH > version 3.430 or later, PPPoE authentication by the modem is possible.) > See here for more info: Alcatel PPPoE"a >  > -- a > Paul Sture >i/ > OS X: "It's Unix, Jim, but not as we know it"    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:00:40 +0200i/ From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@dussuet.lugs.ch>-B Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL0 Message-ID: <slrncgaal8.909.thierry@MARS.Family>   Hello!  ) On 2004-07-26, Lars <lars@post.cz> wrote:f >U > Starlet731 wrote:n >> Hello Paul, >> bJ >> Thank you for the information. Do you also know how the set the OpenVMSJ >> system as gateway and how to set up the ADSL connection on it using theM >> Thomson Speedtouch 510 ADSL modem instead of configuring on OpenVMS how toi- >> reach the gateway that is on other system?  >> C
 >> Thanks! >> o >> Jan Vaas J > As you wrote in the beginning of the thread, there is no implementation K > of PPOE on OVMS (as far as I know). You can set up the OVMS machine as a uJ > gateway, but you'll need another machine to do the authorization, which ! > is not what you probably want..s  N AFAIK there is also no NAT solution for OpenVMS, so it wouldn't even work as a gateway.   Thierry    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:52:37 +0200i From: Lars <lars@post.cz>wB Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL0 Message-ID: <ce39c6$85p$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Starlet731 wrote: 
 > Hallo Lars,> > K > This is indeed not what I want. The single OpenVMS system needs to make aeM > connection with my Thomson Speedtouch 510 ADSL modem (with 1 ethernet port) L > to the ADSL service. So in this way I can reach the internet directly from > my OpenVMS system.  F I have the same modem and I still need some device behind which makes @ the authentication as the modem is not able to do it (maybe old D firmware, I do not care too much). In my case the authentication is I provided by Wifi router behind, which alse serves as the default gateway y for all the other machines.t  N > Additionaly I need to setup this OpenVMS system as a gateway for my internalM > network of Windows XP clients (or other, e.g. Linux). This internal network.K > will be connected to a second ethernet card in the OpenVMS machine. So inbK > this way the OpenVMS system functions as a gateway/router for the clientsnL > who all point to the IP address of the OpenVMS system to reach te internet > (default gateway).  H This is simple. If your problem is only setting up OpenVMS for routing, H it's a piece of cake and you'll get many advises how to do it (in fact, ! you can search the archive also).t   > N > I have already this configuration perfectly running, but with a i386 machineN > running FreeBSD as gateway. I just want the FreeBSD gateway replaced with anF > OpenVMS system with the same equipment (hardware), of coarse with anG > AlphaServer. Are there any other supported protocols under OpenVMS tohM > communicate with the modem instead of PPPOE (PPP over Ethernet)? I know theP+ > modem also supports PPPOA (PPP over ATM).   F It depends on your Internet provider, which authentication method you  can use.   Lars   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:01:14 GMT + From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie)MB Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL4 Message-ID: <eV9Nc.30869$pR5.29444@fe2.texas.rr.com>  , Starlet731 (starlet731@attglobal.net) wrote:G : Thank you for the advise, but I would rather use a dedicated OpenVMS vH : system for the connection. These routers have only 4 ports and I have  : 10 computers.e : / : Do you know how to set this up under OpenVMS?W : 	 : Thanks!: :  : Jan Vaas.  :   8 I found this from a Google search for pppoe and openvms:    &    HP OpenVMS systems - Ask the Wizard1    http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_6573.htmlh  %   "PPP Over Ethernet (PPPOE) Support?s      The Question is:p  *    Does openvms support PPP over ethernet?  D    _________________________________________________________________      The Answer is :  C    PPP is a serial protocol, and is supported by OpenVMS.  PPP over2E    Ethernet is more commonly known as PPPOE, and is not supported..."m  C Unless one of Process Software's TCP/IP stacks, TCPWare & Multinet,-< supports PPPoE, there is no ready-made solution for OpenVMS.   --Jerry Leslie9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emailm   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:38:25 +0200r* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>B Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL* Message-ID: <2mkqc6Fnsn56U1@uni-berlin.de>   Starlet731 wrote:oM > I don't have a Speedtouch Pro. I know my modem has PPPOE build in. So I can-N > connect directly my ADSL modem to the internet using a Web Browser or CLI of > the modem. > F > But how do the other systems on my internal network know to find theL > internet connection? Is it enough then to connect the OpenVMS box directly+ > (via the 2nd ethernet card) to the modem?  > J > Then the gateway for the OpenVMS box will be the modem with a certain IP' > address. Standard this is 10.0.0.138.   = Yes, that's correct. Use that address in the commands I gave.c  L > But how will the other clients (not directly connected to the modem) reach> > the internet. Must this be configured on the OpenVMS system? >   I You give them the same address as their gateway. The following URL gives tF instructions how to do this for Win95/98, but it's pretty similar for  other versions of Windows.  > hhttp://www.yale.edu/its/security/private-network/linksys.html  G You would give 10.0.0.138 as the gateway address. The instructions say LH you need a reboot for the network changes to take effect, but this step 4 is unnecessary with NT (even though it suggests on).   --  
 Paul Sture  - OS X: "It's Unix, Jim, but not as we know it"C   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2004 08:30:10 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)P+ Subject: Re: OpenVMS restarts while installe3 Message-ID: <8vv5iuC4zXJn@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  \ In article <4101C769.376938D4@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > K > On Alphas, is it possible to have the console on a serial port (with a VTr > terminal connected to it ?))      Yes.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:59:00 GMTp& From: Joshua Cope <Joshua.Cope@hp.com>+ Subject: Re: OpenVMS restarts while install & Message-ID: <41050E23.4952935B@hp.com>  G I notice you're using a homemade system; that will make things tricky, lL if not impossible. Be sure the auto_action console variable is set to HALT. H Most likely, you'll need to hook up a serial console, boot with verbose > error messages, and capture the console output to get further.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:01:34 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>o5 Subject: Re: OT: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sun=B4s?= AMD Opteron., Message-ID: <410538EE.A89394EA@teksavvy.com>   Fabio Cardoso wrote:< > If we have a massive production of 64 bits processors onlyA > Intel and AMD can do that !  It will become a bi-polar industrys > (choice).r > D > In fact Apple would try an Itanium or Opteron in the near future !    N When OS-X came out, there were rumours that Apple would start to make it cross+ platform and make it available on the 8086.   M However, at this point in time, you should remind yourself that IA64 is stilltL a very low volume proprietary chip and that Power has a greater market shareI than IA64. So your statement above should be pitting Power against AMD.  t  K Now, when the 64 bit 8086 comes out from Intel to compete against AMD's,  I-J suspect that the success story will be for personal computers purchased byM parents on behalf of their teenagers who want to play the latest and greatest-Q games.  The server market is a much lower volume than the consumer retail market.+  > It is the comsumer market that drives the "industry standard".  M And I suspect that it won't be long before the "industry standard" will be 64oM bit 8086s and that Intel will stop making 32 bit ones in a matter of a couple 	 of years.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:35:50 -0400a- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>"5 Subject: Re: OT: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sun=B4s?= AMD Opteron , Message-ID: <410540F3.CA3BAD98@teksavvy.com>  L While many say that Sun's move to the 8086 means the death of Sparc, perhaps  there is a different spin to it.  H Consider EV7. EV7 is very ill suited for workstations because of minimumU memory requirements and its bells and whsitles are really designed for large systems.t  N Now, if Sparc is moving in that direction, perhaps by splitting the low end toK the 8086 will allow greater freedom to make Sparc a truly high end platforms= where, like EV7, it would be ill suited for low end machines.'  I This is in contrast with Power that runs everything from Macs to high end N servers. (But in fairness, I think that Apple does have customized Power chipsJ made so perhaps that still gives IBM the freedom to make Power chips truly  designed for the very high end.)  L In the 8086 product ranges from Intel, are the high end chips ill suited forM workstations ? Or are they still pretty much all the same with more marketingoL and pricing differentiating them ? (I realise that there are low power chips; for laptops, but those would still work find in a desktop).-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:57:38 +0200 7 From: Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl>  Subject: Rdb 7.0.5 on VMS 7.3-2 + Message-ID: <ce3d63$h2p$1@bozon2.softax.pl>o  ; Does anybody run Rdb 7.0.5 (7.0.x in general) on VMS 7.3.2? 9 We need to upgrade production environment from VMS 7.2-1.t$ Do we (client) need upgrade Rdb too?   Regards,   Robert   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:00:03 +0000 (UTC)R From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk% Subject: Re: Spam storage on VMS Mails) Message-ID: <ce2o7j$g0f$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>d  \ In article <4101CEF0.9BDF9DB0@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:O >Is it possible, and if so, what is the best way to have 2 mailboxes per user ?i$ >(one for real mail, one for spam) ? >-O >For instance, if the SMTP gateway had SPAM filtering, it could send legitimate F >messages to the real mailbox (jdoe) and send any spam to (jdoe_spam). >d  O The more usual procedure is to have the anti-spam product mark the mail messageoO in someway eg tag the subjectline [SPAM - xxxx], where xxxx is a measure of howAL spammy the product considers the message to be, or add in extra header lines containing such tagging. cM Then when the message arrives at the user's mailbox a product such a DELIVER iJ (on VMS) or procmail (on UNIX) is used to file it into a different folder L depending on whether it is tagged or the tag score. Most windows based mail J clients can also be configured to automatically filter mail messages into ( separate folders depending on such tags.  @ Process' Precisemail anti-Spam product can be setup in this way.N Alternatively it can be setup to quarantine such mail on the gateway where theO user can access quarantined mail via a GUI interface and review and release it.MM If not released it is automatically deleted after a period of time set by the O system adminstrator. The users can use the GUI interface to set whether to tag,aM quarantine or delete suspected spam above user defined threshold scores on ann individual basis.V    
 David Webb Security Team Leader CCSS Middlesex University    L >Then, the user could consulty his alternate mailbox to see if there are anyT >false positives. (A job runing at night could them empty all <user>_spam mailboxes.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:54:17 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>s% Subject: Re: Spam storage on VMS Mail), Message-ID: <41053738.DBD40050@teksavvy.com>   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:oP > Alternatively it can be setup to quarantine such mail on the gateway where theQ > user can access quarantined mail via a GUI interface and review and release it.S  N Nice idea, but that essentally requires a totally separate email system/client to hold the quarantined mail.a  D On ALL-IN-1, there is a file (pending.dat) which contains unreceivedN documents. When a new message is received, a pointer is added to a record with" a key such as "MAIL   <username>".  K Then, when the user wants his emails, the application automatically fetches7M the document headers pointed to by the "MAIL <username" record and adds thoset/ to the user's file cabinet as unread messages.    E It would then be possible to have spam messages be stored under "SPAM H <username>" record in pending.dat and then the user could fetch all SPAMG messages and have them stpred in the WASTEBASKET folder where they'd bee+ automatically deleted at regular intervals.e  M On VMS mail however, the callable routines lack the ability to store messagesoN in specific folders to begin with, so it is rather hard to perform such tasks.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:28:14 -0700.# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>s% Subject: RE: Spam storage on VMS Mail 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIKEEKDJAA.tom@kednos.com>S  9 A wholly different approach,  I run a pop server using MX  and once a day  issue followingt  <   CHECKREJ == "pipe search mx_smtp_dir:smtp_server_freja.log' black-holed/match=nand| sear sys$pipe "- FREJA> checkrej 26-jul  F and if I spot something that I think I should have received but didn't because of the filteringJ I can always send the a mail telling the resend modifying the feature that caused rejection ind the first place.  I note, excluding black-holed is necessary because otherwise the file is tos big to comfortably scan with the eye.   < -----Original Message-----6 < From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com]% < Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 9:54 AMn < To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma' < Subject: Re: Spam storage on VMS Maili <  <W! < david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:e@ < > Alternatively it can be setup to quarantine such mail on the < gateway where thePC < > user can access quarantined mail via a GUI interface and reviewm < and release it.  < B < Nice idea, but that essentally requires a totally separate email < system/clientO < to hold the quarantined mail.( <eF < On ALL-IN-1, there is a file (pending.dat) which contains unreceivedB < documents. When a new message is received, a pointer is added to < a record with $ < a key such as "MAIL   <username>". <e7 < Then, when the user wants his emails, the applicationd < automatically fetcheso@ < the document headers pointed to by the "MAIL <username" record < and adds those0 < to the user's file cabinet as unread messages. <SG < It would then be possible to have spam messages be stored under "SPAM-J < <username>" record in pending.dat and then the user could fetch all SPAMI < messages and have them stpred in the WASTEBASKET folder where they'd be - < automatically deleted at regular intervals.l <R@ < On VMS mail however, the callable routines lack the ability to < store messages< < in specific folders to begin with, so it is rather hard to < perform such tasks.p <r < ---o( < Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.< < Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A < Version: 6.0.717 / Virus Database: 473 - Release Date: 7/8/2004r <m --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.717 / Virus Database: 473 - Release Date: 7/8/2004n   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2004 05:46:19 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski): Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0407260446.4d0c907c@posting.google.com>p  a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<41029706.73433B65@teksavvy.com>...A > L > Look at Apache. (or whetever the proprietary name given to the VMS versionK > this week).  Why is it not on VAX ?  Probably just a business decision. InN > don't think there is much to prevent Apache from running on VAX, unlike Java5 > where the floating point binary format is an issue.    purveyor runs on vax ... :)k   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:21:57 -0400 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>: Subject: Re: Turn-key OpenVMS E-mail, web server solution?* Message-ID: <2mkstnFnunmeU1@uni-berlin.de>   Nigel Barker wrote:2 >...G > on the VAX. Most VAX installations are stable & I doubt that much newjC > application development is being done on VAX thus there is littlegC > need for new features like ODS-5. The basic minimum with each newm >...  = You are probably right when you say not "Much new applicationeB development," but some people may read that as "No new applicationF development." Anyone who does read it as "No new" would be 100% wrong.> And "Little need" for ODS-5 does not translate into "No need."   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.g Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXe www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2004 02:42:52 -0700. From: dieter.rossbach@gmx.de (dieter rossbach). Subject: Re: Useful 'phpbb' installation guide= Message-ID: <e1d40caf.0407260142.3bab42d9@posting.google.com>l  g Bill Norton <norton@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<41015303$0$54823$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net>...n< > Encouraged by Zane's postings, I tried a clean install of < > MySQL4.1.3-Beta and the new version php_mysql module from < > http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits along with the! > phpBB2.0.10 kit from phpbb.com.c > 0 > I added --flush to the mysqld command line in ' > mysql_root:[vms.myswl]run_mysqld.com.t > I > It hasn't had a table corruption so far, through configuration, adding  ; > categories and fora, user registration and topic posting.      Interesting hint ...  F I added --flash as well and mysqladmin variables says "flush on" but IF still get this error message. BUT - when I do "mysqladmin refresh" andB reload the page, everything is fine. Looks like a flushing/caching problem on my system.  Still testing ...r   Regards6 Dieter   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2004 05:56:07 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)- Subject: Re: Who elects these boneheads? (OT)e= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0407260456.60e3d8e6@posting.google.com>y  d "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message news:<6v2dnWVO65g2CZ_cRVn-og@metrocast.net>...0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message( > news:ZNednawq8vLhsmjd4p2dnA@igs.net...N > > http://reviews-zdnet.com.com/AnchorDesk/4520-7296_16-5142800.html?tag=adss > N > Who elects them?  Why, people a lot like you and me, who think they're doingK > the right thing simply because they don't have much of a clue and believe.A > what the media tells them, bless its little self-serving heart.e  B who elects these boneheads? er, boneheads.  Why would you have anyD respect for Leahy?  The democrats are controlled by a bunch of wackoF groups, one of which is the trial lawyers who are killing this countryF whith their lawsuits ... you had a chance to vote for real change with' Pat Robertson and Ross Peroit, did you?c   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.411 ************************e read that  >  > PPPOE  > D >>tering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,9,105) <<< RETR tell.zipl] >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev60/tell/tell.zip (21065 bytes) started.o; >>> 226 Transfer completed.  20919 (8) bytes transferred.8+ <<< CWD /disk$misc/decus/freewarev60/tidye9 >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/freewarev60/tidy.v <<< TYPE A >>> 200 Type A ok.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,9,106) <<< RETR freeware_readme.txtf >>> 150 ASCII retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev60/tidy/freeware_readme.txt (710 bytes) started.9 >>> 226 Transfer completed.  309 (8) bytes transferred.l <<< TYPE I >>> 200 Type I ok.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,9,107) <<< RETR tidy.zip0^ >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev60/tidy/tidy.zip (338835 bytes) started.< >>> 226 Transfer completed.  338029 (8) bytes transferred.. <<< CWD /disk$misc/decus/freewarev60/to-v431< >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/freewarev60/to-v431. <<< TYPE A >>> 200 Type A ok.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,9,108) <<< RETR freeware_readme.txtj >>> 150 ASCII retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev60/to-v431/freeware_readme.txt (1686 bytes) started.: >>> 226 Transfer completed.  1374 (8) bytes transferred. <<< TYPE I >>> 200 Type I ok.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,9,109) <<< RETR to-v431.zipc >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev60/to-v431/to-v431.zip (29782 bytes) started.<; >>> 226 Transfer completed.  29610 (8) bytes transferred.,* <<< CWD /disk$misc/decus/freewarev60/tsm8 >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/freewarev60/tsm. <<< TYPE A >>> 200 Type A ok.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,9,110) <<< RETR freeware_readme.txtf >>> 150 ASCII retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev60/tsm/freeware_readme.txt (2010 bytes) started.: >>> 226 Transfer completed.  1045 (8) bytes transferred. <<< TYPE I >>> 200 Type I ok.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,9,111) <<< RETR tsm.zip^ >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev60/tsm/tsm.zip (11814637 bytes) started.> >>> 226 Transfer completed.  11814163 (8) bytes transferred.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,9,122) <<< RETR tsm_pak.com] >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev60/tsm/tsm_pak.com (690 bytes) started.89 >>> 226 Transfer completed.  318 (8) bytes transferred.2 <<< CWD /disk$misc/decus/freewarev60/tti_intouch@ >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/freewarev60/tti_intouch.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,9,123) <<< RETR abbreviations.datm >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev60/tti_intouch/abbreviations.dat (68608 bytes) started.<: >>> 226 Transfer completed.  8366 (8) bytes transferred.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,9,124) <<< RETR abbreviations.defm >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev60/tti_intouch/abbreviations.def (31744 bytes) started./9 >>> 226 Transfer completed.  682 (8) bytes transferred.u
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,9,125) <<< RETR abbreviations.fdll >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev60/tti_intouch/abbreviations.fdl (2558 bytes) started.: >>> 226 Transfer completed.  1458 (8) bytes transfer