1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 28 Jul 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 414       Contents:1 Re: Attaching tk50 to simh emulator running on pc ! Re: DVDwrite Version 4.0 released ! Re: DVDwrite Version 4.0 released  Re: ES40 NIC's inactive state . Re: Help! VAXServer 4000/500 Self-Test Failure. Re: Help! VAXServer 4000/500 Self-Test Failure# Re: HP World, OpenVMS Bootcamp, etc # Re: HP World, OpenVMS Bootcamp, etc # Re: HP World, OpenVMS Bootcamp, etc # Re: HP World, OpenVMS Bootcamp, etc # Re: HP World, OpenVMS Bootcamp, etc # Re: HP World, OpenVMS Bootcamp, etc # Re: HP World, OpenVMS Bootcamp, etc # Re: HP World, OpenVMS Bootcamp, etc P Re: HP World, OpenVMS Bootcamp, etc (was: Re: Computerworld:  Future of  HP UserP Re: HP World, OpenVMS Bootcamp, etc (was: Re: Computerworld:  Future of  HP UserP Re: HP World, OpenVMS Bootcamp, etc (was: Re: Computerworld:  Future of HP User 7 Re: Is it possible to route or tunnel the SCS protocol?  Re: Microvax 3100-30 Re: Microvax 3100-30 Re: Microvax 3100-30 Re: Microvax 3100-309 Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL 9 Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL  Re: OpenVMS Backup Failure6 Re: OpenVMS Management Station -  cluster storage ????) Re: OpenVMS Management Station -  HSZTERM ) Re: OpenVMS Management Station -  HSZTERM " Re: OpenVMS restarts while install  Re: OpenVMS/Sybase certification  Re: OpenVMS/Sybase certification SMTP setup for rank newbie Re: SMTP setup for rank newbie Re: SMTP setup for rank newbie Re: SMTP setup for rank newbie Re: Solaris to Itanium...  Re: Solaris to Itanium...  Re: Spam storage on VMS Mail? Re: Supported Options (was: Re: OpenVMS restarts while install) / Time to patch OpenVMS - DCE-RPC buffer overflow 3 Re: Time to patch OpenVMS - DCE-RPC buffer overflow 3 Re: Time to patch OpenVMS - DCE-RPC buffer overflow   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 27 Jul 2004 19:44:01 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com : Subject: Re: Attaching tk50 to simh emulator running on pc, Message-ID: <ce6ba102que@enews4.newsguy.com>  , Martin Vorlaender <mv@pdv-systeme.de> wrote:@ > Another exception is the CD-ROM device - but only under Linux.  F > That said, I'm not sure whether a tape drive would work under Linux.  D I would think if the CD-ROM works under Linux it will under any UNIXE variant.  Also, it increases the odds of a tape drive working, though A figuring out what tape device to use might prove "interesting".     G I know people have managed to get a TK50Z-GA to work under Linux, and I  think a TZ30 works just fine.    		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:09:53 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>* Subject: Re: DVDwrite Version 4.0 released+ Message-ID: <4106FCE1.52E92BE4@comcast.net>    sms@antinode.org wrote:  > - > From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>  > I > > Arg, revisionist!  Why couldn't the coin a different prefix or phrase N > > for the ten power versions rather than redefining two power definitions... > C >    As someone once said, "We could do it, but it would be wrong."   = ...for "Kentucky Fried Movie", the "Fistful of Yen" skit, eh?   E > Considering that the power-of-ten meaning had been established some H > decades before the power-of-two usage began, I am always amazed at howG > huffy some computer folks get when they discover that nearly everyone = > else on the planet uses the original power-of-ten meaning.    D It usually doesn't bother me until I have to go bakc over a vendor'sF quote and up their storage allocations by circa. 10% because they used5 powers-of-ten, and my machines all use powers-of-two.   
 > And thenG > they all seem to repeat their complaint on comp.os.vms, which already E > bears such a heavy burden of space wasting.  Please give this one a ' > rest.  (Don't put it off.  Quit now.)   + Machines use powers-of-two. Prove me wrong.    D.J.D.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:48:17 -0500 (CDT)  From: sms@antinode.org* Subject: Re: DVDwrite Version 4.0 released) Message-ID: <04072720481715@antinode.org>   9 From: David J (Just _must_waste everyone's time) Dachtera   <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>  E > >    As someone once said, "We could do it, but it would be wrong."  > ? > ...for "Kentucky Fried Movie", the "Fistful of Yen" skit, eh?       Try Richard Nixon.    > > And thenI > > they all seem to repeat their complaint on comp.os.vms, which already G > > bears such a heavy burden of space wasting.  Please give this one a ) > > rest.  (Don't put it off.  Quit now.)  > - > Machines use powers-of-two. Prove me wrong.   3    My machine has yours beat.  It uses powers of 3:   '       alp $ write sys$output 3* 3* 3* 3        81  G    I thought we were discussing prefixes like kilo, mega, and giga.  Do : your machines use these?  How about pico, femto, and atto?  B    You're a yocto-brain with far too much time to waste.  Prove me wrong.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode.org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 02:58:27 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>& Subject: Re: ES40 NIC's inactive state0 Message-ID: <87r7qx2s6k.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  . jefflanka@volcanomail.com (Jeff Lanka) writes:  C > I have a number of ES40's running 7.3-1 or 2.  All of them have 2  > NIC's EWA-0 and EWA-1   D > We are trying to develop a com file which will switch from one NICA > to the other (DECnet phase 4) in the case of a problem with the 	 > switch.    > We are trying the command:  ! > ncp>set circuit ewa-0 state off  > ncp>set line ewa-0 state off > ncp>set line ewa-1 state on   > ncp>set circuit ewa-1 state on  C > on most of the machines we will get the error INVADDR and the new C > (EWA-1) circuit will be "synchronizing" forever.  It won't switch F > unless we reboot.  These machines have steady green (link) lights onF > both NIC's and the data (amber) lights are both blinking (indicating > data)   D You need the cards to be on independant segments or they will not be? inited with the correct Hware address. You need a decnet router  between them.   @ Once other protocols start using the card, the address is pretty/ well locked down, so you can't chop and change.   D What problem are you trying to fix? If you have a switch problem andF both cards go to the switch it is a good bet you will lose both lines,A so there is little if any gain there. You really need to have two E seperate nets with their own switch, and optionaly a router or bridge  between the segments.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:49:45 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> 7 Subject: Re: Help! VAXServer 4000/500 Self-Test Failure ' Message-ID: <4106A3C9.2020901@MMaz.com>    Rick Dyson wrote:   E > I am trying to help someone with a self-test failure at powerup on   > this model VAX.  It reports: >  > KA680-A v4.1  VMB 2.12 > 66...  > .. clipped countdown ... > .04..  > I > The "03.." is not presented as well as the string "Tests Complete" and   > thenF > handing over the control from the console to the O/S does not occur. > A > I am told there was a power failure earlier in the day for his  
 > system.  It K > is sitting behind a huge, ancient DIGITAL(!) power conditioning system (I K > have never seen one of these before).  The users claim the VAX should not B > have seen any power surges or spikes because the conditioner is  > present... > Famous last words!  G Well, this is a power conditioner, not a UPS so if you had more than a  D quick bleep of power loss or surge, this ain't going to keep you up!  I What happens when you push the BREAK key at this point of the POST?  Can  % you get to the console prompt at all?    Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 02:12:12 GMT / From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> 7 Subject: Re: Help! VAXServer 4000/500 Self-Test Failure / Message-ID: <0YDNc.200430$XM6.185193@attbi_s53>    Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote: > Rick Dyson wrote:  > F >> I am trying to help someone with a self-test failure at powerup on  >> this model VAX.  It reports:  >> >> KA680-A v4.1  VMB 2.12  >> 66... >> .. clipped countdown ...  >> .04.. >>J >> The "03.." is not presented as well as the string "Tests Complete" and  >> then G >> handing over the control from the console to the O/S does not occur.  >>B >> I am told there was a power failure earlier in the day for his  >> system.  ItL >> is sitting behind a huge, ancient DIGITAL(!) power conditioning system (IL >> have never seen one of these before).  The users claim the VAX should notC >> have seen any power surges or spikes because the conditioner is  
 >> present...  >> Famous last words!  >  > I > Well, this is a power conditioner, not a UPS so if you had more than a  F > quick bleep of power loss or surge, this ain't going to keep you up!  D 	I meant that the conditioner was supposed to protect the equip fromN electrical damage.  Though it is old and may not function well.  I don't know.  D 	Nothing let it get past the self-tests.  The failure at step 3 or 4N was due to a failed "speed test" or "board reset" that both point to replacing the CPU board.  D 	This we did and problem solved.  Lucky they had a spare on hand. :)  K > What happens when you push the BREAK key at this point of the POST?  Can  ' > you get to the console prompt at all?    Thanks!  Rick   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:07:33 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"), Subject: Re: HP World, OpenVMS Bootcamp, etc6 Message-ID: <00A35784.AC08C3EB@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  [ In article <61tNc.6635$A52.2748@news.cpqcorp.net>, John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> writes:  >David J Dachtera wrote:I >> As the so-called head of the ersatz VMSUS, I would consider sponsoring J >> the bootcamp at the hotel near Nashua on a break-even basis if hp wouldE >> commit OpenVMS engineers and resources to the bootcamp, and forego H >> profits on the attendees in the form registration fees over and aboveH >> the cost of the meetings rooms, AV gear, etc. That might make it more  >> affordable, if only slightly. >>  	 >> D.J.D.  > J >I'm confused.  Are you implying that Sue runs the bootcamp for a profit? H >  I think we certainly loose money on the operation.  The bootcamp was 1 >never intended to make money for HP and OpenVMS.  > J >HP already commits LOTS of resources and engineers to the bootcamp.  Ask  >anybody who attended. > L >Who people like less food or lower services in exchange for a cheaper rate?  L Contractors and unemployed people, who have to go on their own nickel, wouldH understandably like it cheaper.  (It would be somewhat difficult to takeN advantage of a lowered registration fee unless you lived in convenient drivingL distance of the site, though; the hotel rooms, though quite nice, don't haveG cooking or refrigerating facilities.)  My guess - based on no knowledge F whatsoever about the economics of the boot camp, but having dealt withK running conferences at hotels before - is that if you discontinued the food J functions you'd probably have to pay higher facility rental rates, and it : would come close to a wash in how much you paid the hotel.  N For me, well, it's my employer's nickel, not mine, but I don't think they'd beO any happier than I would be if I had to rustle up my own grub in exchange for a F lower rate. Having (decent) food available on-site is a good thing andK increases the chances of one-on-one time with the expert on your particular L interest.  If it were at the same site I'd end up either eating in the hotelL restaurant (likely more expensive than the per capita food discount when youO take facilities costs into account) or having to prospect for food in the great 8 world a couple of times a day, which is kind of a waste.   -- Alan    --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:10:57 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"), Subject: Re: HP World, OpenVMS Bootcamp, etc6 Message-ID: <00A35785.2549AF3B@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  \ In article <41068809.6DD07BEB@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >John Reagan wrote: K >> I'm confused.  Are you implying that Sue runs the bootcamp for a profit? I >>   I think we certainly loose money on the operation.  The bootcamp was 3 >> never intended to make money for HP and OpenVMS.  >  > E >It depends on what is included in the costs for accounting purposes.  > G >You see, in a DECUS mindset, because it is/was operated as a volunteer L >organisation, none of the organisation manhours counted as a "cost".  You'dL >have the rental of rooms (and generally, if you purchased meals, those wereL >faily cheap at a hotel), meals, and whatever gifts/trinkets you handed out. > J >In Sue's case would the engineer's times be charged to the event ? Or are >there there "for free" ?   E I think I can say that if the engineer's time is charged to the event C (especially the time spent _preparing_ presentations and so on), it ) would cost us more than $1295 for a week.   H >Would the time spent organising the even be charged to the event, or beM >considered "free" ?  That would make a huge difference in the costs and thus # >to the proce charged to attendees.   N I strongly suspect that the differences in costs come from (a) diseconomies ofO small scale and an absence of marketing dollars - not just from  HP/Compaq/DEC) O pumped in to reduce the costs. (There have been DECUS events where, say, dinner - at Universal Studios was paid for by Oracle.)   0 But I don't actually _know_ anything about this.   -- Alan  --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:41:42 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: HP World, OpenVMS Bootcamp, etc, Message-ID: <4106F63C.B3D83B88@teksavvy.com>  * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:G > I think I can say that if the engineer's time is charged to the event E > (especially the time spent _preparing_ presentations and so on), it + > would cost us more than $1295 for a week.   N The $1295 cost seems on par with "commercial" courses. It seems very high when7 you compare it to DECUS functions (when DECUS existed).   M Also remember that when you get a lot of people who book rooms to your hotel, M you can negotiate goodies that help reduce the overall price. (free rooms for  organisers etc).    C Perhaps the organisation is done with a "commercial course" revenus L expectation with meals and goodies adjusted to eat up all those revenus. ForM DECUS, it was the reverse. Set the affordabls price and then select meals and 5 goodies according to how much money you'd be getting.   K Now that the bootcamp would be in its 3rd year, Sue would have a reasonable G idea of minimum number of attendees, thus greatly reducing the risk and ! perhaps allowing a reduced price.   G (for the first one, if he had only gotten 25 attendees, then yeah, each P attendee would have had to dish out megabucks in order for event to break even).   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:45:32 +0100 < From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>, Subject: Re: HP World, OpenVMS Bootcamp, etc5 Message-ID: <4106f72f$0$7129$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>   < "Rob Brooks" <brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message' news:LIatspcCeuvf@cuebid.zko.dec.com... * > John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> writes: > > David J Dachtera wrote: K > >> As the so-called head of the ersatz VMSUS, I would consider sponsoring L > >> the bootcamp at the hotel near Nashua on a break-even basis if hp wouldG > >> commit OpenVMS engineers and resources to the bootcamp, and forego J > >> profits on the attendees in the form registration fees over and aboveJ > >> the cost of the meetings rooms, AV gear, etc. That might make it more" > >> affordable, if only slightly. > > L > > I'm confused.  Are you implying that Sue runs the bootcamp for a profit?J > >   I think we certainly loose money on the operation.  The bootcamp was4 > > never intended to make money for HP and OpenVMS. > > L > > HP already commits LOTS of resources and engineers to the bootcamp.  Ask > > anybody who attended.  > > I > > Who people like less food or lower services in exchange for a cheaper  rate?  > H > . . . And for those who are watching a budget, there is a Red Roof InnE > located a half-mile from the Sheraton (where the bootcamp is held). K > Rooms can be had for about $45 a night.  I've spent many a night there -- 
 > it's clean.  > B > Since Southwest Airlines flies into MHT (Manchester, NH -- aboutJ > 30 minutes from Nashua for a slow driver), round trip prices from placesB > like MDW can be had for about $155 with enough advance planning. >    Rob,  L I normally try to avoid responding to any 'political' type postings, however  this really warrants a response.  % The VMS community is NOT just the US.   K I wanted to go to the last Bootcamp, one of my customers was willing to pay G for my time to go, I was willing to pay the airfare from the UK and the  hotel.  J Over the last few years that customer has spent Millions (GBP) for VMS kitK (excluding maintenance/service), and 70+k (GBP) for new VMS kit in the last  month alone.  K Even given our spend and the commitment from my customer and myself, the hp L account team were unable to get 'other people in hp' to waive the entry fee.  I Given the curtailment of other VMS specific events for certain sectors in B the UK, I find this a rather interesting position for hp to adopt.  K Meanwhile senior management at my customers organisation have been flown to  Redmond, you guess the rest.   Alex   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:01:37 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"), Subject: Re: HP World, OpenVMS Bootcamp, etc6 Message-ID: <00A3578C.399630C8@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  \ In article <4106F63C.B3D83B88@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:+ >Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote: H >> I think I can say that if the engineer's time is charged to the eventF >> (especially the time spent _preparing_ presentations and so on), it, >> would cost us more than $1295 for a week. > O >The $1295 cost seems on par with "commercial" courses. It seems very high when 8 >you compare it to DECUS functions (when DECUS existed).  H Yes, it's noticeably more than the $600 - $800 I recall the last severalI DECUSes costing (although I might be folding in the cost of pre-symposium 
 seminars). > N >Also remember that when you get a lot of people who book rooms to your hotel,N >you can negotiate goodies that help reduce the overall price. (free rooms for >organisers etc).   M True, but the site can't really manage more than about 250 or 300 people.  If M you get comped one night per 50 room nights (not unusual), you can still only M get four - six free rooms.  And hotels aren't usually willing, these days, in M my experience, to trade room nights for function-room space; they prefer food 
 functions.  I > > >Perhaps the organisation is done with a "commercial course" revenus  N >expectation with meals and goodies adjusted to eat up all those revenus. For O >DECUS, it was the reverse. Set the affordabls price and then select meals and  8 > goodies according to how much money you'd be getting.   I Really?  I would have thought there were some inelastic cost parameters - M convention center space, shuttle buses, etc - which would pretty much mandate K some irreversible minimum cost.  There were, certainly, economies of scale  L which let you feed 5k people at a lower per capita cost than .2k people, butJ also 5k tech-savvy professionals was an attractive group to market to, and$ you'd see marketing money thrown in.  L >Now that the bootcamp would be in its 3rd year, Sue would have a reasonableH >idea of minimum number of attendees, thus greatly reducing the risk and% >perhaps allowing a reduced price. >  I >(for the first one, if he had only gotten 25 attendees, then yeah, each  Q >attendee would have had to dish out megabucks in order for event to break even).   I The hotel facilities and programs (hands-on workshops especially) are not L particularly suitable for more than 200 people - the attendance cap isn't an an artificial restriction.     -- Alan    --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:21:39 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>, Subject: Re: HP World, OpenVMS Bootcamp, etc+ Message-ID: <4106FFA3.CA92793F@comcast.net>    John Reagan wrote: >  > David J Dachtera wrote: J > > As the so-called head of the ersatz VMSUS, I would consider sponsoringK > > the bootcamp at the hotel near Nashua on a break-even basis if hp would F > > commit OpenVMS engineers and resources to the bootcamp, and foregoI > > profits on the attendees in the form registration fees over and above I > > the cost of the meetings rooms, AV gear, etc. That might make it more ! > > affordable, if only slightly.  > > 
 > > D.J.D. > J > I'm confused.  Are you implying that Sue runs the bootcamp for a profit?7 >   I think we certainly loose money on the operation.    F That would be a first for VMS. They may be willing to sacrifice profitD potential through questionable host platform choices, but I've neverG known them to "donate" anything OpenVMS to the faithful (don't start in ; about OVMS-HOBBY - I had that argument with JW YEARS ago!).    > The bootcamp was2 > never intended to make money for HP and OpenVMS.  H Perhaps, but it's rather a stretch to assume that they'd offer somethingH repeatedly at loss. Perhaps you are counting as "loss" the time that the; OVMS folks are away from their porting / developing duties.   J > HP already commits LOTS of resources and engineers to the bootcamp.  Ask > anybody who attended.    That was never in question.   M > Who people like less food or lower services in exchange for a cheaper rate?   H You haven't been laid-off (more than once inside of three years) lately,	 have you?    D.J.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:27:44 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>, Subject: Re: HP World, OpenVMS Bootcamp, etc+ Message-ID: <41070110.8F366E07@comcast.net>    Rob Brooks wrote:  > * > John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> writes: > > David J Dachtera wrote: K > >> As the so-called head of the ersatz VMSUS, I would consider sponsoring L > >> the bootcamp at the hotel near Nashua on a break-even basis if hp wouldG > >> commit OpenVMS engineers and resources to the bootcamp, and forego J > >> profits on the attendees in the form registration fees over and aboveJ > >> the cost of the meetings rooms, AV gear, etc. That might make it more" > >> affordable, if only slightly. > > L > > I'm confused.  Are you implying that Sue runs the bootcamp for a profit?J > >   I think we certainly loose money on the operation.  The bootcamp was4 > > never intended to make money for HP and OpenVMS. > > L > > HP already commits LOTS of resources and engineers to the bootcamp.  Ask > > anybody who attended.  > > O > > Who people like less food or lower services in exchange for a cheaper rate?  > H > . . . And for those who are watching a budget, there is a Red Roof InnE > located a half-mile from the Sheraton (where the bootcamp is held). K > Rooms can be had for about $45 a night.  I've spent many a night there -- 
 > it's clean.   @ Please try to remember to mention that again come bootcamp time.  B > Since Southwest Airlines flies into MHT (Manchester, NH -- aboutJ > 30 minutes from Nashua for a slow driver), round trip prices from placesB > like MDW can be had for about $155 with enough advance planning.  D Well, not bad, I suppose. For a week then, that would come to circa.G $380US for five nights, without meals or travel to/from the airport(s). * That's more like a couple day's gross pay.  ? Now, what can be done about the registration fee? (Still circa. - 1/2-month's take-home pay for a lot of us)...    D.J.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:36:33 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: HP World, OpenVMS Bootcamp, etc, Message-ID: <4107111F.4E7F1DD0@teksavvy.com>  * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:N > There are just limits to how cheap you're going to be able to make somethingM > at that site, and there aren't too many other sites where the engineers can 1 > come without getting travel authorization, etc.   L Yes, I am aware that there are a limited number of hotels capable of holdingK the event near enough the engineer's natural habitat. Nevertheless, the one N hotel, if you are filling it near capacity, should have sufficient flexibility
 in its menus.   J If you have a function of only 25 folks in a hotel capable of holding 500,J then you.'ll get their standard banquet menu offering. But if you fill theJ hotel to capacity, you can generally customize meals to get something moreG affordable. Some chefs/hotels may refuse to lower standards in order to L maintain their image.  The chef at a Ritz hotel may not accept to compromiseL his menus to lower standards because that would reflect poorly on him and/or
 the hotel.  N It could also be that the one hotel near DEC facilities considers DEC/HP to beJ a cash cow and doesn't even think of catering to cost-conscious customers.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:55:21 +0100 < From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>Y Subject: Re: HP World, OpenVMS Bootcamp, etc (was: Re: Computerworld:  Future of  HP User 5 Message-ID: <4106f97b$0$7119$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:410574B6.79F87D9F@teksavvy.com... > Hoff Hoffman wrote: K > >   There is simply no way we can ship large numbers of OpenVMS Engineers @ > >   off to a remote event for some or all of a week (or more), >  > Fed Ex is your friend :-)  > J > It would just be a matter of Sue ordering sufficient number of cages and stuff K > enough of your natural habitat foods (chips and coke) in them to make the  trip > easier :-) :-) > K > And she could even make you more comfortable by outfitting each cage with  a L > tadpole laptop equipped with wireless so you could continue to work on VMS > during transit.  >   D There have not been any PCMCIA WiFi cards qualified with the TadpoleL Alphabook 1, I have attempted using various different cards without success.  L There is however a supported PCMCIA modem card, this could attached with viaF a suitable cable to a mobile phone ('cellphone' for the North American9 readers), to provide the remote connectivity you suggest.   K The limited battery life would also need to be addressed, as would the fact K the VMS is only qualified up to 7.3-1, although I can confirm 7.3-2 'works'  on them.   Alex   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jul 2004 19:23:08 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) Y Subject: Re: HP World, OpenVMS Bootcamp, etc (was: Re: Computerworld:  Future of  HP User = Message-ID: <857e9e41.0407271823.40623ed0@posting.google.com>   E Folks just so you know.  ALL my projects are run as a non profit, but B I do need to cover my expenses.  I do try to provide value for theD money. I think that if you do look at week long technical events youD will notice that they are much higher than the bootcamp.  As for theF hotel cost I can not change that but my guess that at future bootcamps@ only people that register early will be able to get rooms at the7 Sheraton other people will have to go to another hotel.   F The boot camp has never has as its goal to widen out, we will continueE to focus on VMS.  As it was we had a wait list of topics for the last F two events.  One of the reasons that we can keep the cost down is thatE we have a very efficent (small) team and we all know what is going on 
 in the event.   B At the boot camp in May we had 3 brand new VMS people (as in never> worked with VMS at all) and they really enjoyed the boot camp.  C While everyone is welcome to the bootcamp and we really have a good F time together, if you need to justify this much maybe there is another issue.  
 Warm Regards,  Sue       a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<4105CC3A.7483372A@teksavvy.com>...  > David J Dachtera wrote: I > > Tell me how to justify to my family spending a half-month's take-home G > > pay on the bootcamp, and another week's take-home pay on travel and  > > accomodations...?  >   H > > See, with the national symposia, at least a limited number of us can. > > offset the registration fee by presenting. > K > Aren't there deals for those who are "registered developpers" to whatever " > program exists for developpers ? > O > The hotel was reasonably priced, BUT when you combine it with airfare and the N > bootcamp costs, the total is quite high. Not everyone has access to low cost$ > airlines that go to that location. > L > I agree with you that the bootcamp should be runned as a not-for-profit soW > that its cost could be more reasonable and thus attract more independant developpers.  > N > But this is the story of VMS: price it high because you are satisfied with aL > few rich customers as opposed to pricing it lower and attract more people. > O > It is also perhaps a question of Sue having limited resources to organise and P > run the event and needs to put a limit on the number of attendees, and a lower' > price would generate too much demand.  > N > However, with the demise of what used to be DECUS, perhaps Sue's event couldI > be widened some. On the other hand, having more direct contact with the H > engineers might bring more value than listening to user presentations.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:54:41 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Y Subject: Re: HP World, OpenVMS Bootcamp, etc (was: Re: Computerworld:  Future of HP User  , Message-ID: <4107155E.4CF62D44@teksavvy.com>   Sue Skonetski wrote:G > Folks just so you know.  ALL my projects are run as a non profit, but ! > I do need to cover my expenses.   L Do your expenses involve a trip to the caribeean with a VMS engineer bearing2 the same family names as you ? :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)  H > The boot camp has never has as its goal to widen out, we will continue > to focus on VMS.  K That is good. However, what you might consider/debate is whether you should K widen the breath of presenters by including non-engineers, which would make J this into what DECUS events used to be. (There are pros and cons to this).  H > two events.  One of the reasons that we can keep the cost down is thatG > we have a very efficent (small) team and we all know what is going on  > in the event.4  D But it still comes out fairly most costly than DECUS events. Are the) hotel/meals costs really so much higher ?0   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jul 2004 15:19:36 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)M@ Subject: Re: Is it possible to route or tunnel the SCS protocol?= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0407271419.5fb193bc@posting.google.com>   d Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message news:<87oemawfqe.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>...5 > keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes: D > > there's only a 2-second maximum packet transit time requirement  >HM > 2 SECONDS??? Not 0.2 sec, or 2 millisec? Seems hell of a long time for SCS!   D This is the maximum time a packet is allowed to be in-transit withinB the LAN. This has implications on how many bits wide your sequence@ number fields need to be, to avoid the possibility of re-using aD sequence number while a packet is still in flight, and thus possiblyF accepting a very old packet as if it were a new packet. (As technologyD has progressed and maximum packet transmission rates have increased,A the NISCS protocol has been modified to widen its sequence numbere fields.)  D So it's a data integrity / correctness thing. Obviously if very manyE packets take that long to traverse the LAN, performance would suffer.b   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:54:05 GMTi) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org>a Subject: Re: Microvax 3100-30 & Message-ID: <4106A4D6.1070203@iee.org>   Chris Scheers wrote:G > Actually, there is indeed a VAXstation 3100 Model 40.  It is the "bigoH > box" Model 30.  Likewise, the Model 48 is the "big box" Model 38.  TheG > 30 and 40 use the same electronics.  The only difference is more room2+ > for drives.  Likewise with the 38 and 48.   0 Quite right - that's what I get for posting late2 at night in a rush! What I meant was, I don't have% one so it might as well not exist :-)e   Antonio    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:57:07 GMTs) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org>d Subject: Re: Microvax 3100-30h& Message-ID: <4106A58C.5000301@iee.org>   Chris Scheers wrote:J > It's been a while since I've done this, but, IIRC, you change a 44.44MHzG > crystal to a 66.66MHz one.  You also need to change one jumper on thel > motherboard (wait state?). > J > There aren't that many jumpers on the board.  So just change them one at; > a time until you find the one that makes it run reliably.  > J > I wasn't sure if my motherboard would take the change or not, so I put aI > socket in place of the crystal to make it easy to swap back.  (I didn't@ > need to.)w  9 A list I have has  54-17312-01 as the VS3100-30 mainboard : and 54-19356-01 as the VS3100-38 mainboard. So if you have6 a VS3100-30 with a mainboard label that says something2 alongs the lines of 54-19356-xx presumably you can fiddle away and speed it up.  : There used to be a web page floating around that described exactly what to do.Y   Antonioh   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:18:30 -0500 (CDT)e From: sms@antinode.org Subject: Re: Microvax 3100-30a) Message-ID: <04072717183052@antinode.org>e  6    From: Reply-to: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org>  ; > A list I have has  54-17312-01 as the VS3100-30 mainboardd< > and 54-19356-01 as the VS3100-38 mainboard. So if you have8 > a VS3100-30 with a mainboard label that says something4 > alongs the lines of 54-19356-xx presumably you can > fiddle away and speed it up.  G    After a bit of excavation, I found a new-board VAXsta 3100 model 30, D and a model 38.  (I may have shed all the old-board models 30.)  TheA main board in both says "50-19355-01  E1  5419356" in copper, andr8 "*54-19356-01*" (or -02) on the friendly golden sticker.  "    The only differences I see are:  F       o The frequency of the oscillator slightly forward of the middle-         of the board: 44.444MHz or 66.667MHz.   F       o The position of one jumper near the left-more memory connector8         at the front of the board (shown for 66.667MHz):                o     o           66 |       44"              o     o  0                         +--------------------...*                         | Memory connector    F    I never spotted a suitable oscillator at The local junk stores backH when I was interested in these things (pre-Alpsta 200 4/233), so I never1 tried making the change, but what could go wrong?f  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-orgo    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547c   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:57:29 -0500 (CDT)h From: sms@antinode.org Subject: Re: Microvax 3100-30-) Message-ID: <04072717572946@antinode.org>-  6    From: Reply-to: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org>  ; > A list I have has  54-17312-01 as the VS3100-30 mainboardt3 > and 54-19356-01 as the VS3100-38 mainboard. [...]-  F    I wrote too soon.  An old-board VAXsta 3100 model 30 says "5417312"H and "50-17311-01" in copper, with no friendly golden sticker (except theE one for the serial number).  It lacks the jumper pins near the memoryn
 connector.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-orgN    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:39:39 +0200o, From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>B Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL* Message-ID: <2mnpcpFpb5gkU1@uni-berlin.de>  0 Possible, provided the ADSL router has ethernet.J Use network 10.0.0.0 mask 255.255.255.0 on the connection between the ADSLK router and the first ethernet interface on the Alpha. VMS uses the name EW0h for that
 interface.L On the second interface you can use 10.1.1.0 mask 255.255.255.0. Connect theK second interface to a switch or repeater. Start routing (routed) on the VMS 
 system and you're done.    : "Starlet731" <starlet731@attglobal.net> schreef in bericht* news:Bq-dnSU2_L-jl5jcRVnyiw@scarlet.biz...F > Thank you for the advise, but I would rather use a dedicated OpenVMS systemC > for the connection. These routers have only 4 ports and I have 10b
 computers. >e/ > Do you know how to set this up under OpenVMS?e >o	 > Thanks!e >o > Jan Vaas.e >a< > "leslie" <LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM> schreef in bericht/ > news:wB7Nc.30136$pR5.5645@fe2.texas.rr.com...i0 > > Starlet731 (starlet731@attglobal.net) wrote: > > : Hello, > > : L > > : Does anyone know how you could connect an OpenVMS Alpha system runningI > > : V7.3-1 to the internet via ADSL. The system should use two etherneteI > > : interfaces (one for internal network to perform as a gateway/router  fors > theeL > > : client machines on Windows XP so they can connect to the internet) andH > > : should use a similar protocol like PPPOE on UNIX. I have read that PPPOE!E > > : doesn't exist on OpenVMS. I have an external ADSL modem ThomsonM > SpeedtouchG > > : 510 via an ethernet that now runs on UNIX (FreeBSD) with PPPOE. Ie woulde > likeB > > : to use OpenVMS instead for this function (internet gateway). > > : 0 > > : Can anyone help me with this setup please? > > :o
 > > : Thanks!w > > :t > > : Jan Vaas > > :t > >dH > > Why not add a soho router such as a Linksys BEFSR41 or Netgear RP614( > > between your LAN and the ADSL modem? > >l7 > > It'll use a lot less electricity than any computer.t > >b > >  > > --Jerry Leslie= > >   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emailt >e >f   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:38:23 +0100 < From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>B Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL5 Message-ID: <4106e772$0$7117$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>h  7 "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl> wrote in messageh$ news:2mnpcpFpb5gkU1@uni-berlin.de... <SNIP> >VMS uses the name EW0 <SNIP>  H Errr that's certainly not always the case. It is highly dependant on the particular NIC in question.i  ' On one of my Alphabook's for example.../   $ mc lancp sh deve  " Device Listing, volatile database:   Device   ------   EOA0 $ ucx sh intB                                                            PacketsG Interface   IP_Addr         Network mask          Receive          SendV MTUv  G  LO0        127.0.0.1       255.0.0.0                   0             0s 4096E  OE0        xx.xx.xx.xx     255.255.xx.xx         20758          3538  1500 $o   The mapping tables include....  @ XE:DE XQ:QE ES:SE ET:NE EX:XE EF:FE EZ:ZE EC:CE ER:RE EW:WE EB:BI E EI:IE LL:LE FC:CF FX:FF FA:AF FW:WF FR:RF FQ:QF CL:IF EL:LF IC:CT IR:RT     EC TurboChannel Ethernet Adapter% XE DELUA/DENUA-class Ethernet Adapterh EF KFE52 Ethernet Adapterm LL LAN Failover Device ET DEBNA-Class Ethernet Adapterd% XQ DELQA/DEQNA-Class Ethernet Adapterh ER EISA bus Ethernet Adapter ES DESVA-Class Ethernet Adapterc EX DEMNA-Class Ethernet Adapterg) EZ Second Generation Ethernet Chip (SGEC)  EW PCI bus Ethernet Adapter  EO 3Com Etherlink III Adaptery EB Shared Memory LAN EI Fast Ethernet - I82558s FW DEFPA PCI bus FDDI Adaptera$ FA FA-Class (FutureBus) FDDI Adapter" FC DEFZA TurboChannel FDDI Adapter FX DEMFA-Class FDDI Adapter  FR EISA bus FDDI Adapter FQ DEFQA QBUS FDDI Interface CL ATM Classical IPa EL ATM Emulated LAN  IC DETRA Token Ring Adapter  IR DW300 Token Ring Adapteru# SL SLIP/CSLIP Serial Line Interfacel0 PP Point to Point Protocol Serial Line Interface     Alex   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:30:50 -0500s2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net># Subject: Re: OpenVMS Backup Failurek+ Message-ID: <410701CA.1E3FF3C2@comcast.net>e   "Yong Boon, Lim" wrote:k >  > Dear Friend, > L >         l've recently done the image backup of my SCSI harddisk to tape by > the following command,
 >        i.e.,1 >             $ BACKUP/IMAGE/LOG/VERIFY DKA200: -.0 >             _$ MKB800:S1AP040726.BCK/LABEL=SMC > G >         When the backup almost closed to the end, the following error3 > message occurs, i.e.H >         %BACKUP-F-CLOSEOUT, error closing nkb800:[]S1AP040726.BCK;0 as > output9 >         %SYSTEM-F-INSFARG, insufficient call arguments.e > 3 >         Where's gone wrong? Could anyone know it?   D That sounds familiar. Did you search Google Groups - comp.os.vms forD that? I think that's been fixed in a somewhat recent ECO - not sure, tho...   D.J.D.   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jul 2004 15:11:50 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) ? Subject: Re: OpenVMS Management Station -  cluster storage ???? ; Message-ID: <cf15391e.0407271411.992bd5@posting.google.com>m  e David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<40FDCAB0.9F6BD4BF@comcast.net>...e > Dave Baxter wrote:# > > Is HSZTERM a 3rd party product?t > I > No, However, it is no longer supported. It never did ship with OpenVMS..  A It shipped for a number of years on the Consolidated DistributioncD (CONDIST) layered products CDs. (For those who saw my name somewhereA in the directories, all I did was write the KITINSTAL.COM and putb together the kit.)  B HSZterm has been replaced by HP StorageWorks Command Scripter. See< http://h18006.www1.hp.com/products/sanworks/commandscripter/   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jul 2004 14:09:46 -07000 From: dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter)2 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Management Station -  HSZTERM= Message-ID: <a3c44af1.0407271309.6fedfc80@posting.google.com>   e David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<40FDCAB0.9F6BD4BF@comcast.net>...  >eI > No, However, it is no longer supported. It never did ship with OpenVMS.m > ! > You can find a kit for it here:t > % > http://www.djesys.com/freeware/vms/ 0 > http://www.djesys.com/freeware/vms/hszterm.zip > B > However, I do not assume *ANY* responsibility for the product orI > anyone's use of it. I just have the kit available for folks who want touG > try to use it. It is not supported by OpenVMS Engineering, hp Storaget& > Engineering or anyone else. Y.O.Y.O. >  > D.J.D.   David,=       I tried downloading the kit using the link.   I got theh@ HSZTERM.ZIP and tried to unpack it both on the VMS system and MyA desktop system, both of which seemed to work fine, however when I=C looked at the *_cover.txt and the *iguide.txt  they were unreadableAF (CR's gone = single record + other peculiar characters.    Also when I> tried to read the SaveSets using Backup /List   I got an error( indicating an invalid saveset structure.  F      Is there a magic word that you have to mutter while unpacking the
 Zip file??  C      I noticed Keith Parris' name in the directory path so maybe he, knows the answer.5   Dave.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:03:29 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>2 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Management Station -  HSZTERM+ Message-ID: <4106FB61.1C9FBF3C@comcast.net>J   Dave Baxter wrote: > g > David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<40FDCAB0.9F6BD4BF@comcast.net>...  > > K > > No, However, it is no longer supported. It never did ship with OpenVMS.m > > # > > You can find a kit for it here:  > >d' > > http://www.djesys.com/freeware/vms/s2 > > http://www.djesys.com/freeware/vms/hszterm.zip > >uD > > However, I do not assume *ANY* responsibility for the product orK > > anyone's use of it. I just have the kit available for folks who want to I > > try to use it. It is not supported by OpenVMS Engineering, hp Storagee( > > Engineering or anyone else. Y.O.Y.O. > > 
 > > D.J.D. >  > David,? >       I tried downloading the kit using the link.   I got the B > HSZTERM.ZIP and tried to unpack it both on the VMS system and MyC > desktop system, both of which seemed to work fine, however when I E > looked at the *_cover.txt and the *iguide.txt  they were unreadableeH > (CR's gone = single record + other peculiar characters.    Also when I@ > tried to read the SaveSets using Backup /List   I got an error* > indicating an invalid saveset structure. > H >      Is there a magic word that you have to mutter while unpacking the > Zip file??    You'll need UNZIP V5.2 or later.  B I just retested it using UNZIP V5.32 and the files look just fine.  ! Please get the latest UNZIP from:r  5 ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/unzip.zipl  H Unpack the archive into its own directory, SET DEF [.VMS] and look for aH .COM file to link he existing objects into a .EXE. I recommend using the= UNZIP_CLI image which observes both UN*X-like and DCL syntax.@   D.J.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:12:09 -0500e2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>+ Subject: Re: OpenVMS restarts while install + Message-ID: <4106FD69.C0F7E1BA@comcast.net>=   William Webb wrote:= > c > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<4101C769.376938D4@teksavvy.com>...f > > Ghazan Haider wrote:6 > > > I cant read them, they zip by fast, and reboots.1 > > > > It might help if you posted the messages.t > >SM > > On Alphas, is it possible to have the console on a serial port (with a VTc > > terminal connected to it ?)l > > P > > If so, you could then boot from a VT terminal emulator and log all messages. > ; > You never seem to have an LA120 around when you need one.  >  > :^)   B There was an LA100 model with a keyboard, also. Don't recall whichF variant it was ... wanna say -DA, but that's a guess and likely wrong.   D.J.D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:39:46 GMTf- From: "Brian Ceccarelli" <spam@accipiter.com>h) Subject: Re: OpenVMS/Sybase certificationo? Message-ID: <SjxNc.180408$tH1.7667452@twister.southeast.rr.com>t  J > Migrate your database from Sybase to Oracle RDB ! Its the better choice > for you to have support !   < . . . because you will need lots of support in Tartarus.  :)   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jul 2004 16:21:17 -0700, From: JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow)) Subject: Re: OpenVMS/Sybase certificationi= Message-ID: <4b6ec350.0407271521.2e9bc3a5@posting.google.com>e  < "Steve Shadbolt" <steve.shadbolt@hp.com> wrote in message...L > 3) Are any customers out there successfully using Sybase 11.0.3.2 on later > versions of OVMS than 7.3 ?4 > Thanks for any help.   1> select @@versionP 2> goSO  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ C  SQL Server/11.0.3.3/P/DEC AXP/OpenVMS V6.2/SWR 8706/OPT/3-NOV-1999e 17:47:34.58o     $ show system/noprocessL OpenVMS V7.3  on node ...c    D We only have Sybase running for the purposes of data conversions ...C not for production use. We migrated to Oracle 8i and 9i on OpenVMS.dB I have not yet tried on OpenVMS version 7.3-1 nor on 7.3-2 ... and" probably will not need to do that.   Sorry. No help here.  ; Jim, Data911 OpenVMS and Database Manager, Alameda, CA, USAe   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:30:53 -0400e& From: Jim Moseby <nospam@nottoday.com># Subject: SMTP setup for rank newbies9 Message-ID: <pan.2004.07.27.19.30.52.367386@nottoday.com>e  J My first exposure to VMS has been to figure out why our programmers cannotI send mail from their programs.  Having a networking background, I quickly : found that there was no SMTP service running on this node.  J I logged in as system, and used UCX set commands to configure SMTP as bestI as I could from the help systems information, but it still does not work.   F I am at the point where I use the START MAIL command to fire up SMTP.  Heres what I get:m   UCX> start mailo. %UCX-E-STARTERROR, Error starting SMTP service6 -UCX-E-QUEUE, Error processing queue UCX$SMTP_HYDRA_01 UCX>    J I want to relay outgoing mail through an MSExchange server (EXCHANGE) thatI has exposure to the internet.  Specifying this server as the mail gatewayo works for my Linux boxes.    Here is the config:  UCX> show config smtp.    SMTP ConfigurationJ                                                                    OptionsL Initial interval:   0 00:30:00.00       Address_max:    16       NOEIGHT_BITH Retry interval:     0 01:00:00.00       Hop_count_max:  16       NORELAYH Maximum interval:   3 00:00:00.00                                HEADERS  .G Timeout             Initial       Mail    Receipt       Data  TerminateSG   Send:                   5          5          5          3         10t   Receive:                5n  v Alternate gateway:  EXCHANGE General gateway:    EXCHANGE  e Substitute domain:  not defined  Zone:               not defined     Postmaster:         UCX_SMTP? Log file:           SYS$SPECIFIC:[UCX_SMTP]UCX$SMTP_LOGFILE.LOGK   0 Generic queue       Queues   Participating nodes                      i" UCX$SMTP_HYDRA_00      1     HYDRA UCX> h   TIA!!f   JM   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:01:10 +0100 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk>i' Subject: Re: SMTP setup for rank newbieo8 Message-ID: <hbgdg05nah2nctnsmqc5o852sencos5flv@4ax.com>  K On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:30:53 -0400, Jim Moseby <nospam@nottoday.com> wrote:t  K >My first exposure to VMS has been to figure out why our programmers cannotwJ >send mail from their programs.  Having a networking background, I quickly; >found that there was no SMTP service running on this node.i >yK >I logged in as system, and used UCX set commands to configure SMTP as bestrJ >as I could from the help systems information, but it still does not work. >uG >I am at the point where I use the START MAIL command to fire up SMTP. D >Heres what I get: >i >UCX> start mail/ >%UCX-E-STARTERROR, Error starting SMTP service 7 >-UCX-E-QUEUE, Error processing queue UCX$SMTP_HYDRA_01o  H No error message after this point ?  If the queue manager isn't running,F there'll be a further explanatory message to that effect, for example.  < Presumably UCX itself is started ?  (Dumb question, I know.)   >(snip)u@ >Log file:           SYS$SPECIFIC:[UCX_SMTP]UCX$SMTP_LOGFILE.LOG  " Have you had a look in this file ?  L Is there a queue UCX$SMTP_HYDRA_01 on this node - the configuration commands should have created it ?  G You should also check you have a host entry for EXCHANGE (UCX SHOW HOST J EXCHANGE), but by the look of things, the smtp server is failing to start,+ so that is your first problem to deal with.c   -- w, I'm much too young to feel this damned old!    Mail john rather than nospam...t   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:58:42 +0000 (UTC)d6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)' Subject: Re: SMTP setup for rank newbiei1 Message-ID: <newscache$x96j1i$nhk1$1@news.sil.at>t  b In article <pan.2004.07.27.19.30.52.367386@nottoday.com>, Jim Moseby <nospam@nottoday.com> writes:K >My first exposure to VMS has been to figure out why our programmers cannotcJ >send mail from their programs.  Having a networking background, I quickly; >found that there was no SMTP service running on this node..  6 Why do you need a SMTP service for sending mails OUT ?  6 Ok, with TCPIP this is indeed the case (but is silly).E You have to start a service (SMTP incoming just to get SMTP outgoing)cC which you don't want and therefor have to prevent it being misused.  eg. / 	$ TCPIP SET SERVICE SMTP/ACCEPT=HOST=127.0.0.1b  C Other mailers like TCPware or MX can differentiate SMTP in and out.o  K >I logged in as system, and used UCX set commands to configure SMTP as besttJ >as I could from the help systems information, but it still does not work.    Why don't you use TCPIP$CONFIG ?M It creates the TCPIP accounts, directories and (template) procedures as well.   G >I am at the point where I use the START MAIL command to fire up SMTP. o >Heres what I get: >  >UCX> start mail/ >%UCX-E-STARTERROR, Error starting SMTP service 7 >-UCX-E-QUEUE, Error processing queue UCX$SMTP_HYDRA_01= >UCX>    Are you really running UCX ?C You know TCPIP V5.4 is current (with V5.5 coming end of the year) ?4  K >I want to relay outgoing mail through an MSExchange server (EXCHANGE) thatRJ >has exposure to the internet.  Specifying this server as the mail gateway >works for my Linux boxes.  F With the keyword "relaying" you really mean incoming mail on the box ?F Why can't the applications which then obviously send SMTP out not sendK directly to Exchange (without using the local machine as a relay) instead ?u  J btw: Exchange has "exposure to the internet" ? That's not the perfect way.? VMS to the internet and Exchange behind it. Much more secure...s   >Here is the config: >UCX> show config smtp >  >SMTP ConfigurationyK >                                                                   Options M >Initial interval:   0 00:30:00.00       Address_max:    16       NOEIGHT_BIT I >Retry interval:     0 01:00:00.00       Hop_count_max:  16       NORELAY I >Maximum interval:   3 00:00:00.00                                HEADERS  > H >Timeout             Initial       Mail    Receipt       Data  TerminateH >  Send:                   5          5          5          3         10 >  Receive:                5 >  >Alternate gateway:  EXCHANGEt >General gateway:    EXCHANGEe >   >Substitute domain:  not defined  >Zone:               not defined >  >Postmaster:         UCX_SMTPS@ >Log file:           SYS$SPECIFIC:[UCX_SMTP]UCX$SMTP_LOGFILE.LOG > 1 >Generic queue       Queues   Participating nodeso >                     # >UCX$SMTP_HYDRA_00      1     HYDRAu   I would  1) enter a domaine 2) enable EIGHT_BITi 3) enable TOP_HEADERSh 4) enable RELAYing if I have tol* 5) Use a FQDN in the gateway specification   HIHl   -- e Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER-% Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:35:36 -0400r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>.' Subject: Re: SMTP setup for rank newbie , Message-ID: <4106E6C2.1AD5E9D2@teksavvy.com>   Jim Moseby wrote:sL > I logged in as system, and used UCX set commands to configure SMTP as bestK > as I could from the help systems information, but it still does not work.f  5 $TCPIP STOP MAIL  to undo anything you may have done.a   @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$SETUP  L then choose the "servers" option, and then SMTP. Follow the pompts. There isI more than just the TCPIP (UCX) commands. (creating the right VMS accounstt# under which the software runs etc).   L > I want to relay outgoing mail through an MSExchange server (EXCHANGE) thatK > has exposure to the internet.  Specifying this server as the mail gateways > works for my Linux boxes.e  M If this option is not available in the TCPIP$SETUP menus, you can then modufye& this inside the TCPIP (UCX) commands.   5 (HELP SET CONF SMTP ,. look under /ZONE and /GATEWAY)c   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:02:06 -0400a( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>" Subject: Re: Solaris to Itanium..., Message-ID: <4106989E.1000707@tsoft-inc.com>   Robert Deininger wrote:b  7 > In article <41055BDC.157F58A5@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezeit' > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:, >  >  >>Keith Parris wrote:  >>I >>>Can you provide a reference? I don't think I've seen any statements on  >>>this issue from Carly.a >>>e- >>You won't like the answer to this question.e >> >>X > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=cf15391e.0310231848.56b59a1b%40posting.google.com > % >>Note who the author is. :-) ;-) ;-)  >> >>And check out this paragraph:b >>##D >>However, the manufacturing process maturity for EV7 has progressedF >>very well, producing good yield and making it possible to produce anD >>EV7 part (EV7z at 1.33GHz) with significantly improved performanceD >>over our current EV7.  The EV7z coupled with faster memory upgradeE >>will allow us to deliver a 14% - 16% performance improvement within:3 >>the timeframe that we committed to our customers.o >>## >>G >>So, they found out that EV7 with current manufacturing was capable ofh+ >>achieving good enough yields at 1.33ghz. g >> > D > Um, you seem to have twisted "manufacturing process maturity" intoI > "current manufacturing".  This let you, using your own words, attributelF > statements to HP that are not justified by the statement you quoted. > J > EV7z has significant design changes relative to the early EV7 productionF > chips.  Some of these changes improve manufacturability and yields. J > There's a great deal of real engineering effort buried the the innocuousL > words "manufacturing process maturity".  These aren't license plates being< > stamped out by the residents of the local cross-bar hotel. >   % Well, you're both playing with words.   P Your statement leads me to think that what happened was that some flaws, (maybe N not right word, but right general idea), in EV7 were "fixed".  I'd think that M this would be normal for any CPU, not just EV7.  It's possible that many CPU  O manufacturers do this as a normal process in the life of a particular CPU, and uQ introduce 'new models' of the same generation of CPU as the fixes produce better > performance.  P An example might be the AMD Athlon XP.  This group of CPUs has 2 or 3 different Q cores, Thoroughbred, Barton, etc.  The last core, Barton has 2500+, 2600+, 2800+ eM 3000+ and 3200+.  Might have missed some models.  As improvements in mfg are fP made, the process might yield more of the higher speed processors than when the Q Barton core was first introduced.  Similarly, when the first EV7 processors were eL manufactured, there may have been a few that could be clocked significantly  higher than spec.g  O Therefore, in a non-dead processor, one would expect such fixes to be a normal mP thing through the life of a processor, and EV7 would have evolved normally into O what is now being called a new EV7z.  It's abnormal in Alpha because of HP not y wanting to proceed with EV79.S  Q I don't subscribe to JF's conspiracy theory.  I'd believe that EV7 was prudently tJ clocked according to the capabilities of the majority of chips being made.  P What I do believe is that there is resistance in HP to spend anything on Alpha, O and specifically on EV79 which would be a major effort, and so what would be a  I normal evolution in manufacturing of any CPU has been proclaimed a 'new' a9 processor in order to justify not spending money on EV79.c   Dave   -- o4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roade Vanderbilt, PA  15486R   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jul 2004 15:43:14 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)d" Subject: Re: Solaris to Itanium...= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0407271443.300a3264@posting.google.com>   a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<41055BDC.157F58A5@teksavvy.com>...a > Keith Parris wrote:vJ > > Can you provide a reference? I don't think I've seen any statements on > > this issue from Carly. > - > You won't like the answer to this question.yZ > > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=cf15391e.0310231848.56b59a1b%40posting.google.com > % > Note who the author is. :-) ;-) ;-)   B Maybe it's my eyesight, but I didn't see a single mention of Carly
 there. :-)  D As I recall, that material came from Rich Marcello's organization asF part of the material destined for external distribution at the time of the EV7z announcement.  C Notice that it says "the manufacturing process maturity for EV7 hasdD progressed very well, producing good yield and making it possible toA produce an EV7 part (EV7z at 1.33GHz) with significantly improvedb" performance over our current EV7."  A The word "possible" here obviously means "feasible." Note that itr> doesn't say "it was possible all along." It doesn't say "it isC possible right now" (with "now" being October 2003 at the time). It>? said "making it possible to produce a part...with significantlyyA improved performance over our current EV7." That implies work. It,C implies effort, and it implies time. And now, about 9 months later,.A the parts are available, and you can buy systems containing them.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:44:00 -0400t  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>% Subject: Re: Spam storage on VMS Mailr5 Message-ID: <1040727224121.7326B-100000@Ives.egh.com>s  $ On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, JF Mezei wrote:  N > Well, last I looked, it was impossible to create a MAIL document and have itH > stored in the "OUTBOX" folder (or any folder for that matter) with theP > documented callable routines. In fact, in VMS mail, if you you set the "keep aP > copy of messages you send", all it can do is include your name as a CC and you+ > get a new message in your NEWMAIL folder.a > J > I realise that there are probably tricks that may allow a document to be > created in any folder.L > I guess you can always deliver a new email message and then refile it. ButM > that means you need to scan the inbox for the documeht you just created anda > then refile that one.   I I don't know how it works, but sources are available:  Pine automatically < files mail that you create and send in a "SENT-MAIL" folder.  F I'm pretty sure it uses nothing but documented callable mail routines.   -- e John Santosn Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jul 2004 18:10:40 -0700/ From: ghazan@ghazan.haider.name (Ghazan Haider),H Subject: Re: Supported Options (was: Re: OpenVMS restarts while install)= Message-ID: <2f57764a.0407271710.55e90045@posting.google.com>:  E Just for the record (to help someone else googling for this), I tried  the Adaptec 29160 today.  A SRM=5.8 machine=164lx. Tried adaptec 29160 and 2940uw. Both didnt D work... ie show dev didnt show anything beside the floppy device andA show config|more in the PCI didnt seem to show a boot config likel
 dqa0.xxx etc.o  F Also tried an intel nic, dont have the chip number now, didnt work. SoD back to eBay for scsi and net cards. Does anyone know of a sure-fire! Adaptec scsi card that will work?i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:38:33 -0400w3 From: Undisclosed <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com>s8 Subject: Time to patch OpenVMS - DCE-RPC buffer overflow0 Message-ID: <otWdnW7HbdXjepvcRVn-tA@comcast.com>  C http://www4.itrc.hp.com/service/cki/docDisplay.do?docId=HPSBOV01056   = http://www.atstake.com/research/advisories/2004/a072204-1.txt-  > patch here - http://www2.itrc.hp.com/service/patch/mainPage.do   ---y  9 hmm... seems that OVMS is NOT immune to buffer overflows.e  F I'll be interested in reading the Nessus NASL script to check for the " vuln when it comes out in 30 days.  ; damn DCE-RPC... that's the bane of Windows systems as well.k  5 is the DCED installed as system or kernel on OpenVMS?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:46:30 -0400m3 From: Undisclosed <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com>m< Subject: Re: Time to patch OpenVMS - DCE-RPC buffer overflow0 Message-ID: <oaKdnQroVOAWjprc4p2dnA@comcast.com>   David J Dachtera wrote:l  > > ITRC is "login required"; so, I can't explore that just now. > < > Anyway VMS *IS* immune to *ALL* buffer-overflow attacks... > J > ...until you startup a network stack, and then the vulnerability lies inA > the network stack and/or related facilities/utilities, not VMS.m  G ObClintonianRemark "I guess it depends on how you define VMS". I don't i% know what the official definition is.l  I technically, only the Linux kernel is "Linux", but people generally call  I the core GNU software required to have a usable operating system + Linux - Kernel "Linux" as well.-  I I figured the DCE-RPC bit was included with OVMS, since it sez it's HP's i	 software.u  I > So - time to clarify: are talking UCX (nka "TCP/IP Services"), Multinet * > or TCPWare? ...which element(s) thereof? >  > D.J.D.   @Stake advisory sez -"  F "A buffer overflow vulnerability was discovered in HP's implementationB of the DCE endpoint mapper (epmap) which listens by default on TCPB port 135.  Successful exploitation of this vulnerability may allow@ an attacker to execute arbitrary commands on the targeted systemA with the privileges of the DCED process which is typically run as  the root user."-  $ that's a daemon running over TCP/IP.  I I assume the TCP/IP stack implimentation does not matter, since the vuln c is at application levels.e  E it says "HP implimentation of DCE endpoint mapper", so you know what   software is at fault.   5 what's confusing me is the mention of "root", though..  H I know there's no root in OVMS, so does the software run with System or  Kernel level priviledges?t  ! if not, then it's less important.j   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:18:20 -0500e6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>< Subject: Re: Time to patch OpenVMS - DCE-RPC buffer overflowI Message-ID: <craigberry-F17D3A.23182027072004@news-east.dca.giganews.com>v  0 In article <oaKdnQroVOAWjprc4p2dnA@comcast.com>,5  Undisclosed <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com> wrote:    > David J Dachtera wrote:l > K > I figured the DCE-RPC bit was included with OVMS, since it sez it's HP's d > software.p    K > > So - time to clarify: are talking UCX (nka "TCP/IP Services"), Multinet , > > or TCPWare? ...which element(s) thereof? > > 
 > > D.J.D. >  > @Stake advisory sez -  > H > "A buffer overflow vulnerability was discovered in HP's implementationD > of the DCE endpoint mapper (epmap) which listens by default on TCPD > port 135.  Successful exploitation of this vulnerability may allowB > an attacker to execute arbitrary commands on the targeted systemC > with the privileges of the DCED process which is typically run as  > the root user."o  H This appears to be from the report to the vendor regarding HP-UX, which G it turns out was already fixed before the report.  "HP's implementationoC of the DCE endpoint mapper (epmap)" almost certainly refers to the aE HP-UX implementation.  When the report says, "vendor noted that this 0E issue effected [sic] other dced implementations," that's got to be a  B reference to their doing due diligence with Tru64 and OpenVMS and E discovering that they too, were susceptible to buffer overflow using  G the same exploit, though no claim is made about what an attacker could  H achieve.  Tru64 and OpenVMS very likely share a DCE implementation, but G almost certainly have no common code in this area with HP-UX.  For one  A thing, one of the affected versions of OpenVMS is 7.3, which was t, released before the merger of HP and Compaq.  G The @Stake folks or their vendor contact have clearly oversimplified a eF pair of similar vulnerabilities.  It's quite common for exploits that H yield root access on other systems to have only DOS impact on OpenVMS.  E Until I see an explicit claim from a reliable source about impact on  E OpenVMS, I'll reserve judgement, though the OpenVMS dced is run as a 5E detached process with some serious privileges, and crashing it could 1H (possibly) have a serious impact.  Obviously the thing to do is install G the patch and worry later about the extent of the vulnerability you no n longer have.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.414 ************************