1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 30 Jul 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 418       Contents: Re: AlphaPC LX164 and VMS 7.3-2 6 Re: Computerworld:  Future of HP User Events Uncertain< Re: Copy of a file on a print queue before being deleted ???< Re: Copy of a file on a print queue before being deleted ???< Re: Copy of a file on a print queue before being deleted ???< Re: Copy of a file on a print queue before being deleted ???: Re: FCIA applauds HP's "thought leadership" on FATA drives: Re: FCIA applauds HP's "thought leadership" on FATA drives% Re: Microsoft delays while HP dithers  Re: Need Help with SNMP 9 Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL  Re: Preventing fragmentation.  Recycling option Re: Recycling option# Re: Running VMS on a simulated VAX? # Re: Running VMS on a simulated VAX? # Re: Running VMS on a simulated VAX? # Re: Running VMS on a simulated VAX?  Re: Solaris to Itanium...  Re: SSH proxy for X ? Re: Structure of SMTP Receiver - simple spam and content filter 3 Re: Time to patch OpenVMS - DCE-RPC buffer overflow 3 Re: Time to patch OpenVMS - DCE-RPC buffer overflow 3 Re: Time to patch OpenVMS - DCE-RPC buffer overflow 3 Re: Time to patch OpenVMS - DCE-RPC buffer overflow 3 Re: Time to patch OpenVMS - DCE-RPC buffer overflow 3 Re: Time to patch OpenVMS - DCE-RPC buffer overflow 3 Re: Time to patch OpenVMS - DCE-RPC buffer overflow 3 Re: Time to patch OpenVMS - DCE-RPC buffer overflow  Touch Screen Voting systems  Re: Touch Screen Voting systems  Re: Touch Screen Voting systems  Re: Touch Screen Voting systems  Where to get OpenVMS Alpha?  Re: Where to get OpenVMS Alpha? , [OT]: Security tool (mostly Windows & linux)0 Re: [OT]: Security tool (mostly Windows & linux)2 Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS machines run?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:30:29 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) ( Subject: Re: AlphaPC LX164 and VMS 7.3-22 Message-ID: <9nbOc.6815$XK4.6502@news.cpqcorp.net>  e In article <ce8bgt$5s3$1@bozon2.softax.pl>, Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> writes:  :Is it possible?  =   From the OpenVMS Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) document:    ..<   14.4  WHAT PLATFORMS WILL OPENVMS OPERATE ON?        14-17 ..J                 14.4.2    on AlphaPC 164LX? AlphaPC 164SX?           14-20 ..    E   The I/O and peripheral configuration must be supported -- you will  B   find remarks in the FAQ that might help you in your effort here.B   The Google newsgroup archives can also be your friend here, too.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2004 14:12:25 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) ? Subject: Re: Computerworld:  Future of HP User Events Uncertain = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0407291312.183a33a4@posting.google.com>   u norm.raphael@metso.com wrote in message news:<OFAF3E9139.51A2402A-ON85256EDD.00680F7D-85256EDD.006857E6@metso.com>... $ > Future of HP User Events Uncertain  F Having attended the pre-merger HP World 2002 and CETS / HP-ETS and theD post-merger HP World 2003, and looking at the Session Catalog for HPF World 2004, I can definitely see and deeply appreciate the enhancementA that Encompass' involvement has brought to the joint conferences.   F This year, HP and Encompass made significant changes to their plans toD allow a joint HP World in Chicago in August. I applaud their action.E I'd like to see them continue to work together for a joint conference  again next year.  0 HP has issued a press release on this topic. See9 http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2004/040728a.html    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2004 12:18:39 -0700( From: tjonard@usa.net (Thomas A. Jonard)E Subject: Re: Copy of a file on a print queue before being deleted ??? < Message-ID: <3ad0fd0.0407291118.2229e0eb@posting.google.com>  o alexandre <alexandre.mongin@csgv.fr> wrote in message news:<GFr.1b732708a6da4d4c989681@news.adsl.hexanet.fr>...  > Hi there ! >  > I've got a question here:  > J > Would it be possible to 'spy' on a printer queue in order to catch when E > a file is being printed, and thus to make a copy of it before it's  F > deleted in the case where it's sent on the printer device through a  > 'print/delete' command ???  E You could INIT the queue with a /RETAIN=ALL option.  The file will be F around as long as the entry is.  You can examine, copy files and clearA entries manually or create a DCL procedure or program to do this.    Tom   ( Thomas A. Jonard,  jonard@XLNsystems.com Senior Consultant, XLNsystems , XLNsystems -- VMS specialists, CharonVAX VAR   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2004 12:22:35 -0700( From: tjonard@usa.net (Thomas A. Jonard)E Subject: Re: Copy of a file on a print queue before being deleted ??? < Message-ID: <3ad0fd0.0407291122.5d471a9d@posting.google.com>  o alexandre <alexandre.mongin@csgv.fr> wrote in message news:<GFr.1b732708a6da4d4c989681@news.adsl.hexanet.fr>...  > Hi there ! >  > I've got a question here:  > J > Would it be possible to 'spy' on a printer queue in order to catch when E > a file is being printed, and thus to make a copy of it before it's  F > deleted in the case where it's sent on the printer device through a  > 'print/delete' command ???  E You could INIT the queue with a /RETAIN=ALL option.  The file will be F around as long as the entry is.  You can examine, copy files and clearA entries manually or create a DCL procedure or program to do this.    Tom   ( Thomas A. Jonard,  jonard@XLNsystems.com Senior Consultant, XLNsystems , XLNsystems -- VMS specialists, CharonVAX VAR   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:52:23 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) E Subject: Re: Copy of a file on a print queue before being deleted ??? 2 Message-ID: <XzcOc.6826$iE4.2109@news.cpqcorp.net>  j In article <GFr.1b732708a6da4d4c989681@news.adsl.hexanet.fr>, alexandre <alexandre.mongin@csgv.fr> writes:  I :Would it be possible to 'spy' on a printer queue in order to catch when  D :a file is being printed, and thus to make a copy of it before it's E :deleted in the case where it's sent on the printer device through a   :'print/delete' command ???   C   On very little consideration, a modified (custom) symbiont is the D   approach I would most likely select.  Quick and easy, and providesC   full control over what the symbiont does with the files printed.  B   The other obvious approach involves modifications to the printerF   connection, such as printing through another host or another device.E   (It would not surprise me to learn that somebody offers a dedicated    server for this purpose.)   A   What are the particular application requirements involved here? C   What is the particular system and user environment involved here? D   How much control do you have over the user and the PRINT commands?    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 03:32:10 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>E Subject: Re: Copy of a file on a print queue before being deleted ??? 0 Message-ID: <87ekmuboed.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  , "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> writes:  E >> Yes, see /RETAIN for the queue or print command for a simple case.    > Wrong.M > /RETAIN keeps the job on the queue after execution, but does not change the  > way the job runs. N > That is, if it's set to delete the file after printing, it will still delete > it.   K Does it keep a copy on the spool device? Sure that's how I recovered a file  from a print/del years ago...      --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:31:23 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>C Subject: Re: FCIA applauds HP's "thought leadership" on FATA drives 2 Message-ID: <SMadnc1FENXazZTcRVn-jw@metrocast.net>  A Wow, what an endorsement!  It's kinda like the fast-food industry @ association lauding the creator of a new kind of less-expensive,F less-nutritious beef product that they think will help their sales:  a+ completely unexpected bolt from the blue...   J FC equipment such as HBAs and switches will presumably continue to cost anB arm and a leg compared with, say, Ethernet (even when bolstered byH offload-engine technology) or direct-attached storage.  One might expectD that people pay those kinds of prices to get really high quality andI performance, and that they might think more than once about slapping some E PC-quality, lower-performance drives onto the rear end of the system.   H Not that ATA/SATA-quality drives (at least when securely mirrored) don'tI have their place in the enterprise:  they just make a lot more sense when = combined with interconnects in a comparable price range or as K directly-attached storage on centralized NAS boxes.  Due to its low-volume, K high-price nature, plus the fact that centralized NAS just makes more sense J in most uses than centralizing block-level distribution (and at least someK virtualized NAS systems are starting to appear), FC as a whole is likely on H the way out, along with the high-end disks it connects to, and while theK ability to connect lower-cost disks may be a temporarily useful feature for L some institutions it's hardly like to rescue the FC industry as a whole (nor- to be the right choice for new applications).   K But HP can at least adopt a new slogan:  "Thought leadership in band-aids!" L And it'll be a lot more truthful than 'innovation', though the fact that theH other movers and shakers behind this bold initiative are the vendors whoJ will be manufacturing and selling what they hope will prove to be at leastJ temporarily a unique product unavailable from their competitors might tell+ you something about their real motivations.   K In other words:  big yawn.  More marketeering from Keith, and with about as  much substance as usual.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:31:05 -0700 * From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>C Subject: Re: FCIA applauds HP's "thought leadership" on FATA drives 2 Message-ID: <odqdnZ_lR89HOZTcRVn-qA@mpowercom.net>  > "Michael Austin" <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message8 news:xzaOc.21801$Sx3.20082@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com... > L > What this *can* ultimately mean is the demise of tape for initial backups. > ) > It is amazing how fast a restore can be  > H Which is a good argument to support disk for USB 2, Firewire or SATA (atG real DMA transfer speeds) in VMS, so that cheap high capacity disks can K replace pricey tape cartridges.  We do some selective backups to IDE drives K on MS servers to keep down the overnight window, then dump the IDEs to tape F as needed.  A modern IDE drive in single task sequential write mode isG nearly as fast as the better SCSI drives for throughput, and dirt cheap 
 helps too.  H I've set up a few USB2 disk only backups on MS servers for customers tooK cheap to buy a tape drive.  Sure there's no multi-generation copy, but it's J better than nothing, and it is reasonably fast.  One plus with VMS is thatH those who have Alphas are willing to buy a tape drive, though they don't always change the tapes.  F Restoring a 40GB drive for an MS system in 10 minutes (did one earlierI today) from an IDE drive vs. two hours from 4mm tape is a real lifesaver. G Or a lunch saver, the time difference allowed for a nice bowl of yellow B curry at the thai place instead of a nuked TV dinner on the bench.  K The PR blurb is pure marketspeak hype and not of any real significance.  FC K arrays are all very well but they don't mean much for small/medium business K sites.  Now if HP had been pioneering removeable cheap commodity IDE drives + for backup that would show some leadership.    Jack Peacock   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2004 12:45:56 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) . Subject: Re: Microsoft delays while HP dithers= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0407291145.73c7e46b@posting.google.com>   W "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<DeadnS_YNOA7jpXcRVn-qQ@igs.net>... ) > Microsoft Delays Three Windows Upgrades    Additional coverage at: C http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/windows/0,39020396,39161897,00.htm ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=17492 ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=17457    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:49:52 -0400 3 From: Undisclosed <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com>   Subject: Re: Need Help with SNMP0 Message-ID: <GbWdnfTkHOKkBpTcRVn-pw@comcast.com>   Keith A. Lewis wrote:    > Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> writes in article <40f44eb5$0$430$7f8943f3@newsreader.visi.com> dated Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:05:57 -0500:  > 9 >>I'm looking into using SNMP to monitor my VMS machines.  >> >>VMS v7.3-1 & later >>TCPIP 5.3 & later  >>E >>I've managed to start and config the master agent, and the monitor  H >>system (OpenNMS) can see information from my machine. So far, so good. >>D >>Now.. One of my goals is to monitor given process to 1. See if it 0 >>exists, and 2. What resources it is consuming. >>( >>I want to write a subagent to do this. >>0 >>But.. I have no experience writing sub-agents. >>J >>I've been doing a lot of reading of the manuals, and I'm hoping to find H >>some simple examples on creating a simple sub-agent. Just some simple A >>task that I can use to see how everything is done. From how to  C >>write/build a sub-agent, to seeing what data it collects (via an  M >>snmpwalk), to seeing that data collected/monitored by an Management System.  >>H >>Anybody got some examples they can send me? Or pointers to some? I've J >>been looking on the freeware CDs, and in Sys$examples: (chess seems too ? >>big for the beginner.) But I haven't run across anything yet.  >  > O > I wrote an agent which does that and more, but I hesitate to share it because I > it seems to develop memory problems after running for a while.  I think K > eSNMP is stepping on my DEC C malloc'd structures, which are extensive.   F > VMS eSNMP would be a much better product if it came with the source. > F > I would recommend looking for a freeware implementation of the eSNMPL > subagent libraries, or if you don't need the MIBs that come with TCPIP for# > OpenVMS, an entire SNMP server.    > G > FWIW, my information security department has declared the entire SNMP L > *protocol* bad tech.  I'm not sure exactly why but from what I know SNMPv1M > is completely insecure and most implemenations would be quite vulnerable to  > DOS attacks. > M > If you need snmpwalk for VMS, try CMU's "snmpapps" package.  It didn't take # > much to get it to compile on VMS.  > 2 > --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org@ > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.  G SNMPv3 is fine, from what I hear, but not widely implimented. It's got  # adequate cryptographic protections.   I SNMPv1 is horribly horribly broken from a security standpoint.. once you  I know the "public string" used as the identifier for the device, you have  ! full access to the SNMP resource.   H imagine a wireless access point with a "hidden" non-broadcast SSID that A gave you total control of it once you brute-forced or dictionary  ; searched for the SSID, and you have an analogous situation.   F even worse, many hardware manufacturers have set their product's SNMP H public string to some known value like their company name. So, once you D identify the device, all you have to do is look up the product in a  default password database.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:16:20 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>B Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL+ Message-ID: <4109AF73.5948D29C@comcast.net>    Thierry Dussuet wrote: > D > On 2004-07-27, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote: > > Thierry Dussuet wrote: > > > / > > > On 2004-07-26, Lars <lars@post.cz> wrote:  > > > >  > > > > Starlet731 wrote:  > > > > > Hello Paul, 	 > > > > > Q > > > > > Thank you for the information. Do you also know how the set the OpenVMS Q > > > > > system as gateway and how to set up the ADSL connection on it using the T > > > > > Thomson Speedtouch 510 ADSL modem instead of configuring on OpenVMS how to4 > > > > > reach the gateway that is on other system? > > > > O > > > > As you wrote in the beginning of the thread, there is no implementation P > > > > of PPOE on OVMS (as far as I know). You can set up the OVMS machine as aO > > > > gateway, but you'll need another machine to do the authorization, which ' > > > > is not what you probably want..  > > > T > > > AFAIK there is also no NAT solution for OpenVMS, so it wouldn't even work as a > > > gateway. > > L > > I haven't Googled for it yet, but I seem to recall a post here some timeB > > back about someone who had done NAT for VMS as freeware and/or > > open-source. > % > Just looked for it and found it :-) . > There is a NAT Package for VAX and UCX < 5.0 > 9 > http://tinyurl.com/49hvj (the article with its context)   F Unfortunately, the .ZIP archive appears to be missing. Wonder if I had1 the good sense to download it when it was live...    D.J.D.   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2004 12:04:06 -0700, From: JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow)& Subject: Re: Preventing fragmentation.= Message-ID: <4b6ec350.0407291104.217e0ef0@posting.google.com>   . rf_vms@earthlink.net (RF) wrote in message ...E > and I'm already doing that, but I'd like to find something that was ! > proactive rather than reactive.   F For decades I have been proactive to reserve contiguous disk space for8 the benefit of the company's RMS or database file needs.  * Run DFU to notice the largest free extent:D Largest free extent              :  19916984  blocks at LBN: 7211212  C $COPY /CONTIGUOUS /LOG /ALLOCATION= 18000000  NL:  OUTPUT_FILE_NAME   D It all depends upon the needs of users for available free disk spaceD for each disk, and which disk is a candidate for extended data files$ or new database tablespace segments.@ It is best to run the DFU and COPY/CONTIGUOUS as soon after disk9 initialization (or after a backup "restore" to the disk.)   @ When the available disk space falls below a certain threshold, IF delete the reserved disk space file(s) and reserve a smaller amount of disk space.   < Or, when it is time to build the crucial file that should beC contiguous, I delete the reserved disk space file(s), build the new D file, run DFU, and reserve as much space as I can for the next time.  9 Jim, OpenVMS and Database Administrator, Alameda, CA, USA A "The boss reminded us that we only have a week left to finish our * project, so we ought to be half done now." "You have not even started.") "Yeah, but I work better under pressure." ( "Actually you work only under pressure."D "That way the work time is more miserable; but there is less of it."A  variation of a Calvin and Hobbes cartoon by Bill Watterson, 1995    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2004 15:46:28 -0700& From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) Subject: Recycling option = Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0407291446.2c918c6a@posting.google.com>   C Just passing this along.  Office Depot, which is a fairly widepread F chain, is having a promotion in the continental US where you can bring@ in for recycling many different type of old or dead electronics,C including peecees and monitors.  No charge, which makes it nice for F those in places where the garbage haulers won't pick up such equipmentF any more.  We've already sent off a couple of dead scanners (includingE a massive old Scanjet IIcx), crappy peecees, the only peecee I had in F the house, and some small VGA monitors.  Next is my dead VR299 monitorD (DIGITAL labelling tastefully removed), which the haulers wanted $40 to take.  D Limit one item per day, and there are limits on what they will take.  E They'll also give you a ream of (recycled) copy paper if you drop off < used toner cartridges or printer cartridges.  What the heck.  " http://www.officedepot.com/recycle   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:14:40 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Recycling option + Message-ID: <4109A0FF.5724F5A@teksavvy.com>    Rich Jordan wrote: > E > Just passing this along.  Office Depot, which is a fairly widepread H > chain, is having a promotion in the continental US where you can bringB > in for recycling many different type of old or dead electronics,  N If I recall some BBC report I saw, this promotion is sponsored by HP. (so thisF isn't totally OT). But I am not sure if this is permanent or just some marketing gimmick.  I PC manufacturers are under a lot of pressure outside the USA to institute L permanent and complete recycling programmes, as well as design their gear toL use far less noxious materials. (it is the same efforts that would see a ban& on non-recyclable ink jet cartridges).   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:28:40 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>, Subject: Re: Running VMS on a simulated VAX?+ Message-ID: <4109B258.7A7340A4@comcast.net>    Undisclosed wrote: >  > Dan Foster wrote:  > c > > In article <41085F49.90E0C9DA@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote:  > > # > >>OVMS CDs are ODS, not ISO-9660.  > >  > > 8 > > Ah, yes, right you are. A slip of the mind / tongue. > > L > > At least one PC-based CD burning software strenously objected to burningJ > > an ODS-2 based image to CD, so had to use cdrecord under Linux to burnK > > my CD. Epitome of silliness, but that were the machinations required to # > > get the VMS machines installed.  > >  > > -Dan > N > I wonder if the exact CD copy style software under Windows could handle ODS.   See:  $ http://www.djesys.com/vms/cdrom.html+ http://www.djesys.com/vms/cdrom.html#burnit   C > not much point in trying that when you can just use cdrecord or a  > frontend, though.    See:  - http://www.djesys.com/vms/cdrom.html#cdrcdvms    D.J.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:31:13 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>, Subject: Re: Running VMS on a simulated VAX?+ Message-ID: <4109B2F1.13E2D9C0@comcast.net>    "Robert A.M. van Lopik" wrote: > B > "Undisclosed" <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com> wrote in message, > news:j8Gdna90sbS1GJXcRVn-pQ@comcast.com... > > Dan Foster wrote:  > > B > > > In article <41085F49.90E0C9DA@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera$ > <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote: > > > % > > >>OVMS CDs are ODS, not ISO-9660.  > > >  > > > : > > > Ah, yes, right you are. A slip of the mind / tongue. > > > N > > > At least one PC-based CD burning software strenously objected to burningL > > > an ODS-2 based image to CD, so had to use cdrecord under Linux to burnM > > > my CD. Epitome of silliness, but that were the machinations required to % > > > get the VMS machines installed.  > > > 
 > > > -Dan > > K > > I wonder if the exact CD copy style software under Windows could handle  > ODS. > > E > > not much point in trying that when you can just use cdrecord or a  > > frontend, though.   > Well, you do need an ISO-image   ...errrr, ODS image ...    > of the ODS-VMS-CD.   D.J.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:32:01 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>, Subject: Re: Running VMS on a simulated VAX?+ Message-ID: <4109B321.E0B6B46C@comcast.net>    "Thomas A. Jonard" wrote:  > i > "Robert A.M. van Lopik" <lopik@mail.telepac.pt> wrote in message news:<2mrs21Fpd05cU1@uni-berlin.de>... D > > "Undisclosed" <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com> wrote in message. > > news:j8Gdna90sbS1GJXcRVn-pQ@comcast.com... > > > Dan Foster wrote:  > > > D > > > > In article <41085F49.90E0C9DA@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera' > >  <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote:  > > > > ' > > > >>OVMS CDs are ODS, not ISO-9660.  > > > >  > > > > < > > > > Ah, yes, right you are. A slip of the mind / tongue. > > > > P > > > > At least one PC-based CD burning software strenously objected to burningN > > > > an ODS-2 based image to CD, so had to use cdrecord under Linux to burnO > > > > my CD. Epitome of silliness, but that were the machinations required to ' > > > > get the VMS machines installed.  > > > >  > > > > -Dan > > > M > > > I wonder if the exact CD copy style software under Windows could handle 	 > >  ODS.  > > > G > > > not much point in trying that when you can just use cdrecord or a  > > > frontend, though.  > G > Yes, something like CloneCD will produce a usable copy of an ODS-2 CD & > (done that).  Nero may work as well.  7 Nero is among the many reported to work for ODS images.    D.J.D.   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2004 21:56:32 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) , Subject: Re: Running VMS on a simulated VAX?3 Message-ID: <KRxyZhfVpzFH@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <slrncghubj.18b.thierry@MARS.Family>, Thierry Dussuet <thierry@dussuet.lugs.ch> writes:  E > On 2004-07-29, Robert A.M. van Lopik <lopik@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:   : >> Well, you do need an ISO-image of the ODS-VMS-CD. [...] > > > The ISO-9660 format would even have version support IIRC :-)  E Note: section 7.5.1 of the ISO 9660 standard limits the length of any B File Name plus the length of the corresponding File Name ExtensionB to a maximum of 30 bytes, eliminating a couple of PCSI files found; on the VMS distribution disc from any true ISO 9660 volume.   7 However I do not recall VMS enforcing this restriction.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:32:18 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> " Subject: Re: Solaris to Itanium..., Message-ID: <4109B330.57E07AFC@teksavvy.com>   Keith Parris wrote: F > based on its elderly US-II and US-III CPU cores, this decision meansD > that SPARC has effectively joined PA-RISC, MIPS, and Alpha as onceB > important server architectures now in extended palliative care."  I Paul demone forgot to add that Sun is still developping sparc-4, and that N Fujutsu is developping what will be the replacement for the cancelled sparc-5.  I So, sparc gets a could upgrades in its current generation, while the next " generation will come from fujutsi.  F I can't see why you or anyone would compare Sparc to Alpha or PA-Risc.  L Also, in terms of MIPS, have there been official "we doN't develoop anymore" statements ?  N Tandem wasn't exactly a BIG user of MIPS chips, although it was a visible one.I It porting to Alpha and then to that IA64 thing isn't such a huge blow to 
 MIPS, is it ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:20:40 -0400 2 From: "Jonathan Boswell" <jsb.NOSP@M.cdrh.fda.gov> Subject: Re: SSH proxy for X4 Message-ID: <_dbOc.822$Ny6.1756@mencken.net.nih.gov>  = "Lars Holmstrm" <lars.holmstrom@flysta.net> wrote in message & news:cea3su$2pso$1@news.utel.net.ua...K > Does any one have got a SSH tunnelleing of X-traffic working using the HP  > based SSH for OpenVMS ?   K Yes, this works (for Alpha VMS V7.3-2) as of TCPIP Services V5.4 ECO1 using H the expected ssh commands.  I never got it to work with the VMS-specificI commands recommended in the base level V5.4.  I also never got it to work F where the X-server was running on a VAX, though I did get it to run onL Excursion's unsecured rexec to an Alpha and (withough resetting the display)J by ssh'ing to a Linux box.  I am not sure what the hangup was, but I think it was lack of Xauth on VAX.   To clarify, I have working:   D Windows2K PC running Excursion ---(rexec DECterm)---> Alpha  ---(ssh tunnel)---> Linux X client apps   D                                                                   or  L Alpha OpenVMS  ---(telnet + set display)---> Alpha ---(ssh tunnel)---> Linux
 X client apps   H Note that in both cases, the first hop is not secure.  Acutally, I don'tG need the security at all!  I just needed X11 port forwarding because my J Linux box is on a private LAN.  This was the first way to get the job done' that I could find in the documentation.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 00:42:42 -0400 0 From: "Jeff Morgan" <vmswiz@geonospamcities.com>H Subject: Re: Structure of SMTP Receiver - simple spam and content filter- Message-ID: <cecjgs$7h1m$1@news3.infoave.net>   I There's an easy way to do spam and content filtering on VMS. Check out my 2 TEC (Test email content) DCL command procedure at:  0         http://www.geocities.com/vmswiz/vms.html  J What I do is stop the SMTP que on the VMS server and let the messages wait in the que undelivered.   L TEC runs every 60 seconds in a batch que and checks the que for jobs waitingF to be tested. If it approves the content inside the message, it simplyL reques the job to a new SMTP server que called TCPIP$APPROVED that is alwaysG started. These emails then get immediately delivered just like a normal  TCP/IP Services configuration..   J TEC uses the VMS search utility to search for any text strings that I wantJ it to filter. You can look for ".CMD", ".SCR", ".JPG" and any spam phrasesI you want to find. I have some examples in the command file. Just copy the H examples and add as many searches as your CPU can handle. Every time theL spammers get smart and come up with a new technique, I just add a new search command.  H Anything TEC finds that it doesn't like, I reque to a special que calledL TCPIP$SPAM that is always stopped. I can manually inspect those entries whenH I think I've missed a real email, or simply delete everything in the que after a few days.   8 The same filtering technique will also work on Multinet.  ? It isn't elegant but it is simple, flexible and has no software D dependencies. I've thought about writing a program to do the contentL filtering rather than image activate the SEARCH utility a few thousand times$ a day, but search works rather well.   And you can't beat the price.    : - D   L If you make any improvements, please forward them to me so I can incorporate
 your changes.   7                                                    Jeff    -- Jeff Morgan A VMS Consultant - with over 20 years experience doing VMS support, A VMSclusters, networking, VMS web apps, BASIC/COBOL/FMS/DATATRIEVE 2 applications, VAX to Alpha migrations, etc, etc... vmswiz@geo-n0spam-cities.com        : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:41054DFA.D427FBAE@teksavvy.com...D > Since the TCPIP Services SMTP receiver lacks the hooks to scan the contentsH > and has very very poor logging, I was thinkking if it were possible to justJ > rewrite one (possibly using portions of postfix which have the anti spam > filter capabilities).  > K > Could the home grown receiver simply use the Send-From-File to submit the K > received documents to the SMTP queues for actual deliveries ? Is that how  the  > current software runs ?  > H > Or does SFF lack certain functionality for the receiver to perform its task@ > once the message has been received and needs to be processed ?   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2004 13:03:43 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) < Subject: Re: Time to patch OpenVMS - DCE-RPC buffer overflow3 Message-ID: <NJWXM0+05jKY@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <2msnu4Fr2bqgU1@uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  > B > I could be mistaken :-) but I thought the original idea was thatD > you needed to only type as much of a verb as it took to be unique. > For example:1 >   given the commands DELETE, DIRECTORY and DIAL ! >   DE would be enough for DELETE ( >   but DIA would be necessary for DIAL  >   and DIR for DIRECTORY  > G > In your case above, I would look to see if there was a new verb addedo& > at 5.0 that also started with "REC".  J    True.  And fine for interactive work.  But things change, so if you're K    writing a command file that's going to be around for a while you should  5    not count on the abreviation in that command file.   G    5.0 added recover.  Even if you don't have the RMS journaling optionrE    the command is in dcltables (IIRC the software is bundled with VMST    but the license isn't).  C    OBTW:  c, j, h, r, x, and z are still recognized as unique as of1D    VMS 7.2-1.  C must be an alias because there are several commandsF    that start with c.  J tries to bring up an old version of Java, and9    may be due only to having once installed that version.n  J    ? and * can be dangerous if DCL$PATH is defined.  I have a $.com in my      first DCL$PATH to catch that.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:57:03 -0400a3 From: Undisclosed <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com>a< Subject: Re: Time to patch OpenVMS - DCE-RPC buffer overflow0 Message-ID: <3oKdnYwcn-IKy5TcRVn-oA@comcast.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:W > In article <2msnu4Fr2bqgU1@uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:n > B >>I could be mistaken :-) but I thought the original idea was thatD >>you needed to only type as much of a verb as it took to be unique. >>For example:1 >>  given the commands DELETE, DIRECTORY and DIALo! >>  DE would be enough for DELETEc( >>  but DIA would be necessary for DIAL  >>  and DIR for DIRECTORYg >>G >>In your case above, I would look to see if there was a new verb addede& >>at 5.0 that also started with "REC". >  > L >    True.  And fine for interactive work.  But things change, so if you're M >    writing a command file that's going to be around for a while you should r7 >    not count on the abreviation in that command file.L > I >    5.0 added recover.  Even if you don't have the RMS journaling optiontG >    the command is in dcltables (IIRC the software is bundled with VMSs >    but the license isn't). > E >    OBTW:  c, j, h, r, x, and z are still recognized as unique as of F >    VMS 7.2-1.  C must be an alias because there are several commandsH >    that start with c.  J tries to bring up an old version of Java, and; >    may be due only to having once installed that version.p > L >    ? and * can be dangerous if DCL$PATH is defined.  I have a $.com in my " >    first DCL$PATH to catch that. >  >   & could you go into more detail on that?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:24:09 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>< Subject: Re: Time to patch OpenVMS - DCE-RPC buffer overflow+ Message-ID: <4109B149.79E21550@comcast.net>    Undisclosed wrote: >  > David J Dachtera wrote:[ > L > > For our purposes, VMS runs quite happily without a network stack loaded.A > > So, that's how *I* think of it. If you add a layered product,m: > > application, etc. and it breaks something, guess what? >  > ahhh.4 > H > I guess that's just a Unix/Windows-ism on my part, assuming the TCP/IP& > stack is integrated with the kernel. > G > > An understanding of the system startup process might useful at thisa
 > > point. > >nL > > It is also interesing to note that the startup procedure on the bootableK > > VMS CD is really just a severely abbreviated STARTUP.COM that does onlyeC > > what is necessary to perform certian very basic functions, likemI > > INITIALIZE-ing and MOUNTing disks and tapes, running BACKUP and PCSI,aJ > > and so on. It never does enable interactive logins - the entire systemK > > is run under control of some special DCL scripts. The option to executeeK > > DCL commands and scripts runs as a subprocess of the "startup" process.s > > No network stack, .../ > G > > Common misnomer. Similarly, neither DCL nor the command programs it-L > > invokes are "VMS" - they are part of the operating environment, but they > > are not "VMS". >  > ok.a > G > see, some people define the entire base package of the *BSD's, shell,1E > basic userland, and everything up to but not including X11, as "the>J > operating system", since they were designed to work together and provide > basic functionality. > G > in the post below this, Dan Foster used the analogy of DCL being likeeD > the user shell in Unix... well, while the shell is not part of the; > kernel, it is considered part of the OS under the *BSD's.s > / > so, VMS uses more of a minimalist definition.t > H > > ...except that VMS has a somewhat different structure as compared to	 > > UN*X.  > >d > >o( > >>that's a daemon running over TCP/IP. > >s > >cK > > In VMS-ish, a detached process (i.e., not "VMS"). In VMS's case, shouldoE > > the image exit, the detached process will likely die, denying they, > > would-be exploiter access to the system. >  > interesting. > D > > ...but still worthy of note. Sites sensitive to such issues willD > > probably want to test to see the exact reuslt in their system of > > attempting such an exploit.g > > 
 > > D.J.D. > 
 > definitely.s >  > thanks David.l >  > I've got some reading to do. > @ > incidental question - why does DCL not do tab-completion styleG > completion? I would have thought it would have been a perfect fit foroJ > VMS, given that command names are longer than Unix.. that's great from aF > newbie scrutability standpoint, but it gets annoying when you try to > type things fast.  > J > I know that typing abbreviations works (e.g. DIR for DIRECTORY), but I'dK > like to be sure that what I'm about to hit "Enter" on is the right thing.h  H As others have pointed out, DCL provides for abbreviations. So, "DIR" isD as good as "DIRECTORY", "DIF" is as good as "DIFFERENCES", "/OUT" is* usually as good as "/OUTPUT", and so on...  = See HELP to find out what is likely to be associated with any-G abbreviated command, but don't be surprised to see something like this:    $ sub login(> %DCL-W-ABVERB, ambiguous command verb - supply more characters  \SUB\  ! ...if you abbreviate incorrectly.2   Also, take a look at:e  3 http://www.djesys.com/vms/freevms/index.html#mentorh" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ...for some other information.   D.J.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:25:45 -0500i2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>< Subject: Re: Time to patch OpenVMS - DCE-RPC buffer overflow+ Message-ID: <4109B1A9.E8E3985A@comcast.net>v   Undisclosed wrote: >  > Bob Koehler wrote:Y > > In article <2msnu4Fr2bqgU1@uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:l > >rD > >>I could be mistaken :-) but I thought the original idea was thatF > >>you needed to only type as much of a verb as it took to be unique. > >>For example:3 > >>  given the commands DELETE, DIRECTORY and DIAL # > >>  DE would be enough for DELETEf) > >>  but DIA would be necessary for DIAL. > >>  and DIR for DIRECTORYa > >>I > >>In your case above, I would look to see if there was a new verb addeds( > >>at 5.0 that also started with "REC". > >r > > M > >    True.  And fine for interactive work.  But things change, so if you're-N > >    writing a command file that's going to be around for a while you should9 > >    not count on the abreviation in that command file.- > >-K > >    5.0 added recover.  Even if you don't have the RMS journaling option(I > >    the command is in dcltables (IIRC the software is bundled with VMS- > >    but the license isn't). > >0G > >    OBTW:  c, j, h, r, x, and z are still recognized as unique as of:H > >    VMS 7.2-1.  C must be an alias because there are several commandsJ > >    that start with c.  J tries to bring up an old version of Java, and= > >    may be due only to having once installed that version.d > >aM > >    ? and * can be dangerous if DCL$PATH is defined.  I have a $.com in myn$ > >    first DCL$PATH to catch that. > >u > >  > ( > could you go into more detail on that?   See:  5 http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/dclinter/sld009.htmn   D.J.D.   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2004 22:03:42 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) < Subject: Re: Time to patch OpenVMS - DCE-RPC buffer overflow3 Message-ID: <1NHArIMLec9K@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <In44ZZ49ywAY@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:ac > In article <sy0q5RmDkpye@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:- >> -< >> 	Commands in DCL require at *most* 4 characters.  Here is >> 	a convoluted example:c > G >    While that is currently true, the release notes (from 6.0 I think) A >    remind us that it might change in the future.  For long termnD >    reliability one should write DCL command file using full verbs. >   ; 	I'd be willing to wager that this won't change.  I've seen : 	too many procedures written by "hot shots" that use the 4; 	character limit to their advantage.  Worse yet - they even . 	go further.  Shoot... I'm guilty of this one:   $ set message /nof/noi/nos/not $ alsdkfjasd;lfj $ set message /f/i/s/t $ alsdkjfas;dfljF %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling  \ALSDKJFAS\  > 	While that warning in the release notes was there, I doubt it= 	is implemented.  Breaking "poorly" written DCL at this stage  	would not be a good thing.   C >    And even if it stays at 4, particualr abreviations may not.  IaB >    once had to update a ton of .COM files from $F/L (VMS 2.5) to >    $FORTRAN/LIST (VMS 3.0).n   	Got me there. >    nF >    An in your example, I had to get used to "reca" interactively at H >    5.0 after years of "rec" under VMS 4.  Then I installed Lotus NotesG >    back before "lo" was added as a defined alias for logout and spenta) >    a couple years having to type "log".d  F 	Yeah.  But your example proves a point.  When recover was introduced,> 	it had to break "rec".  Maybe it gets challenging introducing, 	new verbs... the "RE" namespace is crowded:     READ       RECALL     RECOVERa*   RENAME     REPLY      REQUEST    RETURN   ; 	So the challenge in introducing a new verb would be to shyb: 	away form "RE" roots and choose a synonym, plenty of room$ 	in the "SA" namespace for instance.   				Rob    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2004 22:08:57 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)s< Subject: Re: Time to patch OpenVMS - DCE-RPC buffer overflow3 Message-ID: <hxs3$ByUyvES@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <3ad0fd0.0407290647.271d5c31@posting.google.com>, tjonard@usa.net (Thomas A. Jonard) writes:h  F > way -- not always 3 or 4 or even 2.  For instance it used to be that> > UNLOCK was the only command that began with U so it could beH > abreviated to U.  Since the command list has expanded I can't think of' > a command you can do this with today..   	The run command.I   			Rob   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2004 22:11:59 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)<< Subject: Re: Time to patch OpenVMS - DCE-RPC buffer overflow3 Message-ID: <YQAZZUHm36WR@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  q In article <In44ZZ49ywAY@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: c > In article <sy0q5RmDkpye@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:s >> V< >> 	Commands in DCL require at *most* 4 characters.  Here is >> 	a convoluted example:e > G >    While that is currently true, the release notes (from 6.0 I think)oA >    remind us that it might change in the future.  For long termiD >    reliability one should write DCL command file using full verbs. >   ? 	One other point.. Imagine if they broke the "run" abbreviation < 	of "r".  Probably thousands of poorly written DCL that have 	b
 	$ r file.exe.   	 in it.   			Rob   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 23:36:02 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>p< Subject: Re: Time to patch OpenVMS - DCE-RPC buffer overflow, Message-ID: <4109C21C.4C43E548@teksavvy.com>   Rob Young wrote:H >         One other point.. Imagine if they broke the "run" abbreviationE >         of "r".  Probably thousands of poorly written DCL that haveo   Who is "they ?  N You are forgetting home grown applications as well as 3rd party apps which mayF define any verb they want which may enter in conflict with an existing abreviation of a VMS command.   M And look at the SET command. It has changed significantly over the years withpE more and more options added it to. So it is simply unwise to ever use M abbreviations in command procedures, especially if they are to be distributede to other sites.4  E As far as the 4 letter issue, it isn't even save to assume 4 letters.R  0 ed*it :== "spawn/nowait edit/tpu/int=decwindows"  & If I want to edit an FDL file, I type:   editr/fdl myfile.fdl  L In this case, a 5th character is needed in order to avoir the symbol-definedM "command".  Behind the scenes, it works because DCL only looks at the first 4.A characters of "editr". But to the user, the 5th character counts.w   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2004 11:39:35 -07000 From: dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter)$ Subject: Touch Screen Voting systems= Message-ID: <a3c44af1.0407291039.67641b3a@posting.google.com>N  E Does anyone know anything about these systems, particularly about theeF recent report (last couple of days) about voting information lost when< they experienced a system crash (I think it was in Florida).2      Does anyone know what systems they are using?C and/or    Does anyone know how the OS/hardware decisions were made?l   Dave.C   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:48:19 GMT,+ From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie)e( Subject: Re: Touch Screen Voting systems2 Message-ID: <TDbOc.1888$_25.1201@fe2.texas.rr.com>  1 Dave Baxter (dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com) wrote:oG : Does anyone know anything about these systems, particularly about the H : recent report (last couple of days) about voting information lost when> : they experienced a system crash (I think it was in Florida). :l/ : Does anyone know what systems they are using?oE : and/or    Does anyone know how the OS/hardware decisions were made?o :   
 Windows, per:   6    http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1013-01.htm    All the President's Votes?c   --Jerry Leslie9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:23:22 GMTa3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) ( Subject: Re: Touch Screen Voting systems2 Message-ID: <_0dOc.6829$HT4.3054@news.cpqcorp.net>  > In article <a3c44af1.0407291039.67641b3a@posting.google.com>, 2 dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter) writes:  F >Does anyone know anything about these systems, particularly about theG >recent report (last couple of days) about voting information lost wheni= >they experienced a system crash (I think it was in Florida).i  B My understanding is that the lost data had nothing to do what the A Touch Screen Voting system.  What I heard on local radio was thatrA data from a previous election had been lost due to a system crashh' of the system that keeps this database.'  E It has also been reported that the Touch Screen systems have produceduD 8% more undervotes than electronically counted paper ballots used in: some other parts for Florida.  (I do not know 8% of what.)  H And, of course, the Touch Screen systems have *NO* audit train to allow G a re-count.  Even the proposal for attaching printers will only record eL the machine count, not the voter's intent, as IS recorded by paper balots.   {sigh}  1 >   Does anyone know what systems they are using?o  / It is prpporietary.  I don't know who makes it.o% Physically, it looks and feels cheap.n  = >   Does anyone know how the OS/hardware decisions were made?   ' Based on politics and money, of course.     > I'll bet that Florida will be in the news again this November.   --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2004 21:40:37 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)( Subject: Re: Touch Screen Voting systems= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0407292040.4a0f5d3f@posting.google.com>0  u dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter) wrote in message news:<a3c44af1.0407291039.67641b3a@posting.google.com>...LG > Does anyone know anything about these systems, particularly about the H > recent report (last couple of days) about voting information lost when> > they experienced a system crash (I think it was in Florida).4 >      Does anyone know what systems they are using?E > and/or    Does anyone know how the OS/hardware decisions were made?n >  > Dave.   I I'd be so bold as to venture to guess that they didn't make any backups. o  @ BACKUPS BACKUPS BACKUPS! This is not rocket science. Sheeeeeesh.  8 I also know where I'd place my bets on what OS was used!   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:34:37 -0700 ( From: Steven Schoch <schoch@spamcop.net>$ Subject: Where to get OpenVMS Alpha?/ Message-ID: <cec1k2$1d35$1@news.mainstreet.net>   G I have 2 old AlphaStation 400's just sitting around.  One has DEC Unix tI and the other has Windows NT, but I don't need those anymore so I'd like   to load OpenVMS.  G The trouble is, I can't find it.  I started with HP's web site, got as  F far as finding a price list, so I called their sales number and asked I for OpenVMS.  They said they don't sell it, but I could find a copy from sG a reseller.  I called a couple of their listed resellers but they were   no help either.a   So where can I get a copy?   --   Stevep   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:51:21 -0400.  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>( Subject: Re: Where to get OpenVMS Alpha?5 Message-ID: <1040729202414.7326A-100000@Ives.egh.com>-  ) On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Steven Schoch wrote:-  I > I have 2 old AlphaStation 400's just sitting around.  One has DEC Unix rK > and the other has Windows NT, but I don't need those anymore so I'd like   > to load OpenVMS. > I > The trouble is, I can't find it.  I started with HP's web site, got as dH > far as finding a price list, so I called their sales number and asked K > for OpenVMS.  They said they don't sell it, but I could find a copy from cI > a reseller.  I called a couple of their listed resellers but they were e > no help either.e >  > So where can I get a copy? >  > -- B > Steve2  > Is this for business use or for non-commercial (hobbyist) use?> HP won't deal with you directly unless you are a huge company.  @ Lots of people here will recommend various resellers; I'm afraid= if I list some, I'll leave out others, but a Google search ofe" this newsgroup should find plenty.  ; For Hobbyist use, you want to go to www.openvmshobbyist.come  = To get free licenses to VMS and many layered products (tools,e= compilers, etc.) join a participating user group (the minimalr9 non-voting Encompass membership works and is free), buy at< VMS CD-ROM ($30 from the Hobbyist web site, contains O/S and= a limited set of compilers, network stuff and Motif, versions < available for VAX and Alpha; big-bucks from HP or a reseller= for the full O/S and Layer Products sets; whatever from Ebay;e8 or (free) borrow a kit from work, friends, your aunt, or: whoever has one.)  Get a set of licences from the Hobbyist; site (one base O/S license, either VAX or Alpha as required = for each system, plus a layered products license that you cant> use on all your systems.)  Install, register licenses, and off< you go (or as the British would say, "Bob's your uncle."  Is1 he married to the aunt who owns the computer?[1]):  % Also, be sure to check out the FAQ atJ0 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/faq/vmsfaq.html  ! [1] Obscure Woody Allen refernce.o   -- m John Santoss Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:58:13 -0400b# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 5 Subject: [OT]: Security tool (mostly Windows & linux) , Message-ID: <L7CdnZeYC84rp5Tc4p2dnA@igs.net>  $ http://www.metasploit.com/index.html  H The links section has a few interesting links at the bottom of the page,
 including:  , http://icat.nist.gov/icat.cfm?productstart=3 http://www.osvdb.org/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:07:46 -0400V3 From: Undisclosed <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com> 9 Subject: Re: [OT]: Security tool (mostly Windows & linux)r0 Message-ID: <zbudnQqhk7uGxJTcRVn-oA@comcast.com>   John Smith wrote:   & > http://www.metasploit.com/index.html  H Core Impact and Immunity CANVAS have the same type of functionality for < commerical pen testers who need a working exploit Right Now.  E metasploit is more for open source vuln research than practical use, ." although it's still good for that.  < definitely fun for running attacks against your own systems.  3 it's downright scary how easy it is to use, though.   H then again.... I've heard stories of higher end kiddies taking exploits D written in Perl and grafting a simple "type here to own the target" I frontend on them that someone else has written, then compiling them with ,G perl2exe... which puts the ease of use at about the same level, if not   the flexibility.  J > The links section has a few interesting links at the bottom of the page, > including: > . > http://icat.nist.gov/icat.cfm?productstart=3 > http://www.osvdb.org/a  3 Open Source Vulnerability Database is a good thing.t   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2004 22:00:54 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)-; Subject: Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS machines run?i3 Message-ID: <yCNZ3JDOR1Jo@eisner.encompasserve.org>:  f In article <SOidnV8zTNtj6pTcRVn-jQ@comcast.com>, Undisclosed <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com> writes:I > personal ones or ones you administer for non-work purposes, of course, a? > since it would be a little cheesy to ask about work machines.S   MacOS 9.1 and MacOS 7.5.5 .   4 Then again, one of my VMS systems is running V5.3-1.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.418 ************************