1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 30 Jul 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 419       Contents:2 Anyone got an Exabyte Mammoth 2 tape drive on VMS?< Re: Copy of a file on a print queue before being deleted ??? End-Of-Support OpenVMS7.1-2  Re: End-Of-Support OpenVMS7.1-2  Re: End-Of-Support OpenVMS7.1-2  Re: End-Of-Support OpenVMS7.1-2  Re: ES40 NIC's inactive state # Re: HP World, OpenVMS Bootcamp, etc # Re: HP World, OpenVMS Bootcamp, etc % Re: Microsoft delays while HP dithers % Re: Microsoft delays while HP dithers  Mount disk at startup? Re: Mount disk at startup?! Multinet on VMS 5.5 please HELP !  Re: Need Help with SNMP 9 Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL  Re: Recycling option# Re: Running VMS on a simulated VAX? # Re: Running VMS on a simulated VAX?  Re: Solaris to Itanium...  Re: Solaris to Itanium... ( Re: StorageWorks EVA to Windows Question? Re: Structure of SMTP Receiver - simple spam and content filter ? Re: Structure of SMTP Receiver - simple spam and content filter ? Re: Structure of SMTP Receiver - simple spam and content filter ? Re: Structure of SMTP Receiver - simple spam and content filter ? Re: Structure of SMTP Receiver - simple spam and content filter 3 Re: Time to patch OpenVMS - DCE-RPC buffer overflow 3 Re: Time to patch OpenVMS - DCE-RPC buffer overflow  RE: Touch Screen Voting systems  Re: Touch Screen Voting systems  RE: Touch Screen Voting systems  Re: Touch Screen Voting systems  RE: Touch Screen Voting systems  Re: Touch Screen Voting systems  Re: Touch Screen Voting systems  Re: Where to get OpenVMS Alpha?  Re: Where to get OpenVMS Alpha? & [Hobbyist] Please fix Webserverproblem* Re: [Hobbyist] Please fix Webserverproblem2 Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS machines run?2 Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS machines run?2 Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS machines run?2 Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS machines run?2 Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS machines run?2 Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS machines run?2 Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS machines run?2 Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS machines run?2 Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS machines run?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 03:17:54 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>; Subject: Anyone got an Exabyte Mammoth 2 tape drive on VMS? 5 Message-ID: <1040730023834.7326G-100000@Ives.egh.com>   > Customer has an ES40 (VMS 7.2-1, but due to be upgraded soon.)  = They will soon have a need to exchange tapes with an IBM p630 < system whose only tape drive is an IBM 7208 Model 345.  From7 the IBM web site, this appears to be a modified Exabyte = Mammoth 2 (EXB-8900?) drive.  It says it will read 20GB tapes ; and Read/Write 60GB tapes.  The 20GB tapes appear to be the  original Mammoth 1 tapes.   > From=20various Ask-the-Wizard postings and Google searches, it> appears that people have used the original 20GB Mammoth drives? on VMS, but from a page on the HP site, I found that VMS V7.2-1 9 needed a patched MKDRIVER to work with it.  The page says = that the patched image has been included in V7.3.  Don't know < if the latest FIBRE_SCSI ECO for 7.2-1 (already installed on= the customer system) includes this patch or not.  No explicit ? mention is made of the problem (BACKUP gets POSITERR and IVDENS C errors on the 2nd tape if using /MEDIA=3DCOMPACTION) in the release  notes for the ECO.  < I can't find any mention of anyone using a Mammoth 2 on VMS.  ; I think the VMS system only needs to send tapes to the IBM, < so writing 20GB tapes to be read on the IBM might be viable, but I don't know for sure yet.  6 To muddy the waters even more, it appears the standard9 Mammoth 2 uses IDRC compression, but the IBM version uses 9 ALDC compression.  I assume this means uncompressed tapes  only.   4 Or maybe we could hook up an IBM drive to the Alpha?  < One issue might be cost, since this puppy may only be needed8 a half-dozen times during initial load.  After that, all" updating is done over the network.  9 The IBM drive is close to $7000.  The MSRP of the vanilla 7 Mammoth 2 is $5790.  Island lists Mammoth 1's for $749.   < (The ES40 already has several TZ89's for backup and 8mm, 4mm5 and 9-track for data interchange with other systems.)   : BTW, the Mammoth drives (made by Exabyte) appear to be 8mm: drives, but with a different media type, called AME tapes.9 There is another new 8mm-derived format called AIT, which 7 seems to be much more common.  AIT and AME both provide ; much greater density and apparently higher speed and better 7 reliability than the classic 8mm tapes.  They are *not* 8 compatible with each other.  HP appears to offer a bunch! of AIT drives, but no AME drives.   8 Installing a different tape drive on the p630 appears to! be *not* possible, don't ask why!    --=20  John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:32:12 +0200 3 From: "Alexandre Mongin" <alexandre.mongin@csgv.fr> E Subject: Re: Copy of a file on a print queue before being deleted ??? * Message-ID: <ced128$qm2$1@news.tiscali.fr>   Thanks for your answers guys !  H My intention was to listen to a queue and to catch every printing job on that one 'without' stopping it. K The Symbiont change frightens me a little bit, because my experience on VMS C is still very limited and moreover because I don't have any fortran 	 compiler.   K So I think I'm going to choose the '/retain=all' solution and code a little  proc for doing what I want.    Ciao and thanks !    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2004 23:21:34 -0700) From: gerard.rokx@niixx.com (Gerard Rokx) $ Subject: End-Of-Support OpenVMS7.1-2= Message-ID: <9ea35c1a.0407292221.25d1593d@posting.google.com>   < One of our customers is running the following configuration: - AlphaServer800 - OpenVMS 7.1-2   5 What is the end-of-support date for these components? 0 What is the end-of-support date for OpenVMS 7.3?     Thanks,  Gerard   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:44:27 +0100 & From: Nic Clews <spamthis@[127.0.0.1]>( Subject: Re: End-Of-Support OpenVMS7.1-2' Message-ID: <ced58g$if0$1@lore.csc.com>    Gerard Rokx wrote:> > One of our customers is running the following configuration: > - AlphaServer800 > - OpenVMS 7.1-2  > 7 > What is the end-of-support date for these components? 2 > What is the end-of-support date for OpenVMS 7.3?    E The HP website has all the policies and information you need to know.   1 To summarise, V7.1-2 fell out of support in 2001.   G V7.3 falls out of support shortly (may be this month, I knew HP pushed  $ the date out to coincide with 7.3-1)  H V7.3-2 (no cost upgrade (ex media) if you're licence for V7.3) is going F onto lover term prior version support, therefore goes into rolling 24 * months notice, along with V6.2 and V5.5-2.   Go here:  + http://h71000.www7.hp.com/serv_support.html   - Select your region, then get the information.    e.g. for EMEA...  0 http://www.hp.com/hps/os/os_pvs_eur.html#openvms  H And you'll see the state of 7.3-2 and 7.1-2. There is also links to the  release history.  E On the first page, the operating system support policy is also worth   reading.  6 However, don't take my word for it, go to the website. --  E Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. Car Park Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jul 2004 04:30:59 -0700( From: tjonard@usa.net (Thomas A. Jonard)( Subject: Re: End-Of-Support OpenVMS7.1-2< Message-ID: <3ad0fd0.0407300330.15055c30@posting.google.com>  n gerard.rokx@niixx.com (Gerard Rokx) wrote in message news:<9ea35c1a.0407292221.25d1593d@posting.google.com>...> > One of our customers is running the following configuration: > - AlphaServer800 > - OpenVMS 7.1-2  > 7 > What is the end-of-support date for these components? 2 > What is the end-of-support date for OpenVMS 7.3? >  > 	 > Thanks,  > Gerard   Please see:   3 ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/services/software/ovms.pdf    Tom   ( Thomas A. Jonard,  jonard@XLNsystems.com Senior Consultant, XLNsystems , XLNsystems -- VMS specialists, CharonVAX VAR   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jul 2004 07:50:27 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)( Subject: Re: End-Of-Support OpenVMS7.1-2= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0407300650.5aa0c927@posting.google.com>   n gerard.rokx@niixx.com (Gerard Rokx) wrote in message news:<9ea35c1a.0407292221.25d1593d@posting.google.com>...> > One of our customers is running the following configuration: > - AlphaServer800 > - OpenVMS 7.1-2  > 7 > What is the end-of-support date for these components? 2 > What is the end-of-support date for OpenVMS 7.3? >  > 	 > Thanks,  > Gerard  6 we are still on 7.1-1H2 and get support ... it is on a7 best basis, but they do not have to move if they do not ! need to and still get support ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 02:28:33 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>& Subject: Re: ES40 NIC's inactive state5 Message-ID: <1040730022155.7326F-100000@Ives.egh.com>   ! On 27 Jul 2004, Jeff Lanka wrote:   C > I have a number of ES40's running 7.3-1 or 2.  All of them have 2  > NIC's EWA-0 and EWA-1  > G > We are trying to develop a com file which will switch from one NIC to F > the other (DECnet phase 4) in the case of a problem with the switch. >  > We are trying the command: > ! > ncp>set circuit ewa-0 state off  > ncp>set line ewa-0 state off > ncp>set line ewa-1 state on   > ncp>set circuit ewa-1 state on > C > on most of the machines we will get the error INVADDR and the new C > (EWA-1) circuit will be "synchronizing" forever.  It won't switch F > unless we reboot.  These machines have steady green (link) lights onF > both NIC's and the data (amber) lights are both blinking (indicating > data)  > E > But on 2 of the machines, the 2nd NIC comes up with a slow blinking C > green light and no amber.  When we try to switch (to EWA-1) those G > lights change to solid green and flashing amber.  Then when we switch 6 > back to EWA-0 it goes back to slowly flashing green. > G > Also, if we define EWA-1 active in the permanent database and reboot, E > both NIC's have steady green and flashing amber and we can't switch " > (like the majority of machines). > E > Here's the question:  What is the configuration option which causes D > the inactive NIC to come up in the slowly blinking green state?  I3 > couldn't find anything in LANCP or SYSGEN or NCP.  >  > Thanks in advance.  @ Are you sure the 2 NICs are EWA-0 and EWA-1, as opposed to EWA-0
 and EWB-0?  D On a customer ES40 with 3 NICs, they show up as EWA0, EWB0 and EWC0,D but they are running DECnet-Plus, which uses circuit names CSMACD-0,B CSMACD-1 and CSMACD-2 for the 3 NICs.  It's been a long time since? I dealt with DECnet-4, and the naming convention was different.    Still, it's something to check.    HTH.   --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jul 2004 08:54:54 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) , Subject: Re: HP World, OpenVMS Bootcamp, etc= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0407300754.7b8f219c@posting.google.com>   @ "My Engineers" I wish, VMS Engineers belong to no one, just likeC artists that paint masterpieces, they are their own people.  At the E boot camp aproximately 200 of the engineers come down to the bootcamp E during the week.  This is a huge advantage of having the boot camp in F walking distance to ZKO.  We include breakfast and lunch every day and@ dinner two nights, we provide internet access so that people can@ connect into work and individual consulting sessions on specificC topics if needed, we take machines out of engineers offices to show D folks what the engineers are working on.  This event can not be doneF any where else at the same level.  It will never be the size and scopeF of DECUS/Encompass nor do we wish it to be.  Encompass can offer you aE wide variety of topics the boot camp is focused on VMS for folks that ? need very specific VMS information not available anywhere else.   D There are ways to save money on travel I will try and put together a list to help out folks.   
 Warm Regards,  Sue       a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<4107CB25.3AF83A4D@teksavvy.com>...  > Ken Robinson wrote: H > > I don't know which DECUS functions you're talking about or when. TheD > > last two Encompass Symposia I attended (Sept 2001 (Yes, I was inK > > Anaheim on 9/11), and Fall 2002 in St. Louis both had registration fees ! > > in the $1500 to $1700 range.   > 4 > Ok, then. the only response I can give is "OUCH !" > M > Seems to me like conferences held in the USA are far more expensive. If Sue M > conference is at $1295 and DECUS (or whetever the sname is this week) is at P > $1500, then I guess there can be no complaints about price since it would be a > going rate in the USA. > L > In which case, the comment becomes: "because it is held in a country whereM > conferences are expensive, it makes it very expensive for people from other  > countries to attend".  > K > But since Sue is unwilling to package and ship her engineers to a cheaper N > location, then there is really nothing that can be done, except perhaps make% > materials available electronically.  > N > (or videoconference either with other HP offices worldwide or via internet).   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:38:53 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: HP World, OpenVMS Bootcamp, etc, Message-ID: <410A799B.2629F92B@teksavvy.com>   Sue Skonetski wrote: > At theG > boot camp aproximately 200 of the engineers come down to the bootcamp  > during the week.  K OK, so this is a sensitive question. Sue, do paying attendees subsidize the L engineer's meals ? Would the registration costs go down significantly if theM engineer's meals were to come off HP budgets instead ? Or are those costs not  very significant ?   200 is a large number.    B > dinner two nights, we provide internet access so that people can > connect into work   N Is this done through HP facilities, or does the Hotel provide its own internet access backbone ?   H > of DECUS/Encompass nor do we wish it to be.  Encompass can offer you aG > wide variety of topics the boot camp is focused on VMS for folks that A > need very specific VMS information not available anywhere else.   J While I understand and do not disagree with your mission for the bootcamp,N bear in mind that if DECUS (or whatever its name might be this week) no longerK has a viable VMS content that , alone, justifies going to their event, then N your event takes on a greater responsability since the "not available anywhere, else" takes on a much wider range of topics.  N But you know Sue, if you have a max capacity of 200, and you do fill those 200M seats at the $1295 rate, then lowering the rate won't bring additional people - since you are limited to that number anyways.   3 Has holding 2 such events per year been ruled out ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 07:50:48 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> . Subject: Re: Microsoft delays while HP dithers, Message-ID: <QbCdnT1e1-wapZfcRVn-oA@igs.net>   Keith Parris wrote: 0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message* > news:<DeadnS_YNOA7jpXcRVn-qQ@igs.net>...* >> Microsoft Delays Three Windows Upgrades >  > Additional coverage at: E > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/windows/0,39020396,39161897,00.htm + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=17492 + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=17457    Keith,  G It isn't about Microsoft delays per se....it's about the opportunity it K presents to HP to market a secure, reliable o/s to customers who are fed up 
 with MS crap.   - As the old saying went, "Digital has it now".    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:05:39 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> . Subject: Re: Microsoft delays while HP dithers, Message-ID: <410A71D3.9FE90321@teksavvy.com>   John Smith wrote: I > It isn't about Microsoft delays per se....it's about the opportunity it M > presents to HP to market a secure, reliable o/s to customers who are fed up  > with MS crap.   K Remember the first version of Windows post 3.1 ? It was delayed and delayed L and delayed (finally called Windows 95) and IBM saw an opportunity to make aQ final marketing push for OS2, and APPLE's marketshare was starting to rise again.   K Where HP could have some success is in selling some preloaded/preconfigured M Linux desktops. A nice turnkey solution that might get people to drop windows  and become loyal to linux.  J I most certaintly do not expect HP to market VMS. It failed to do so afterN 9-11 when there was a clear oportunity. It failed to do so after all the virusM waves when there was a clear opportunity to do so. It will fail to do so when + MS delays all those important "SP" patches.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:30:14 GMT ' From: "Mike E." <m_esso@@@@hotmail.com>  Subject: Mount disk at startup? - Message-ID: <GAvOc.144360$ek5.85260@pd7tw2no>    Hi all,   , I'm a bit of a VMS noob, so bear with me. :)  H I'm trying to get a secondary disk to mount at startup using OpenVMS/VAX v7.1J I figured that it would just be a simple entry in systarup_vms.com; at the' end of the script (before EXIT) I have:    $mount dka100 <vol-label>   I When I watch the startup sequence the command gets executed and says that H this particular volume has successfully been mounted.  Yet, once I loginG it's only "online" and that same command has to be run again to have it  mounted.   What gives?        Thanks!  Mike E.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:39:03 GMT & From: "B Hall" <bill03060@comcast.net># Subject: Re: Mount disk at startup? - Message-ID: <XIvOc.52192$8_6.49273@attbi_s04>   D You have to say MOUNT/SYSTEM to make the disk available system wide.E In your case, the MOUNT occurs, and then the startup process ends and 	 dismounts 	 the disk.    Bill      2 "Mike E." <m_esso@@@@hotmail.com> wrote in message' news:GAvOc.144360$ek5.85260@pd7tw2no... 	 > Hi all,  > . > I'm a bit of a VMS noob, so bear with me. :) > J > I'm trying to get a secondary disk to mount at startup using OpenVMS/VAX > v7.1L > I figured that it would just be a simple entry in systarup_vms.com; at the) > end of the script (before EXIT) I have:  >  > $mount dka100 <vol-label>  > K > When I watch the startup sequence the command gets executed and says that J > this particular volume has successfully been mounted.  Yet, once I loginI > it's only "online" and that same command has to be run again to have it 
 > mounted. > 
 > What gives?  >  >  > 	 > Thanks! 	 > Mike E.  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:21:33 GMT ' From: "Zibri" <zibri@NO.libero.SPAM.it> * Subject: Multinet on VMS 5.5 please HELP !2 Message-ID: <xsvOc.76639$5D1.3834247@news4.tin.it>   Help ! I have a problem. @ I obtained the hobbyist license and also a license for multinet.  ? Now I want to install multinet on my emulated vax with vms 5.5.   K The problem is that MULTINET distribution has a size of  200 MB and I don't : know how to transfer it to my VMS system for installation.  8 Transferring the files with kermit would take 24 hours !  L Isn't there a way to transfer the files to a TAP or DSK image that simh/vms5 will read ?   J I heard of a guy who trasferred the files to an iso 9660 cd image and thenF mount on vms... but unfortunately CDROM support has been introduced in  openvms 6.0 and not in 5.5 :((((  
 Please help !    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:16:31 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>  Subject: Re: Need Help with SNMP8 Message-ID: <ngpkg0h3gpen2nms69iocl5j57tjl93tfo@4ax.com>  / On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:49:52 -0400, Undisclosed ( <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com> wrote:    H >SNMPv3 is fine, from what I hear, but not widely implimented. It's got $ >adequate cryptographic protections. > J >SNMPv1 is horribly horribly broken from a security standpoint.. once you J >know the "public string" used as the identifier for the device, you have " >full access to the SNMP resource. >   K I thought it was even worse than that.  I thought that the community string H was sent in clear text in the network packet, and any sniffer could pull	 that out.    --- jls 0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.6 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)    ------------------------------   Date: 30 Jul 2004 08:18:36 GMT/ From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@dussuet.lugs.ch> B Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 - conneting to internet via ADSL/ Message-ID: <slrncgk12t.q8.thierry@MARS.Family>   B On 2004-07-30, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote: > Thierry Dussuet wrote: > > F > > On 2004-07-27, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote: > > > Thierry Dussuet wrote: > > > > 1 > > > > On 2004-07-26, Lars <lars@post.cz> wrote: 	 > > > > >  > > > > > Starlet731 wrote:  > > > > > > Hello Paul,  > > > > > > S > > > > > > Thank you for the information. Do you also know how the set the OpenVMS S > > > > > > system as gateway and how to set up the ADSL connection on it using the V > > > > > > Thomson Speedtouch 510 ADSL modem instead of configuring on OpenVMS how to6 > > > > > > reach the gateway that is on other system?	 > > > > > Q > > > > > As you wrote in the beginning of the thread, there is no implementation R > > > > > of PPOE on OVMS (as far as I know). You can set up the OVMS machine as aQ > > > > > gateway, but you'll need another machine to do the authorization, which ) > > > > > is not what you probably want..  > > > > V > > > > AFAIK there is also no NAT solution for OpenVMS, so it wouldn't even work as a > > > > gateway. > > > N > > > I haven't Googled for it yet, but I seem to recall a post here some timeD > > > back about someone who had done NAT for VMS as freeware and/or > > > open-source. > > ' > > Just looked for it and found it :-) 0 > > There is a NAT Package for VAX and UCX < 5.0 > > ; > > http://tinyurl.com/49hvj (the article with its context)  > H > Unfortunately, the .ZIP archive appears to be missing. Wonder if I had3 > the good sense to download it when it was live...    It's still there! N "If you are the owner of this site, it is possible that you have an issue with4 upper and lower case characters in your file names." So the file seems to be at: ; http://www.galifrey.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/natucx_v0p561d.zip 
 (yibbiie!)   Thierry    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jul 2004 07:30:02 -0700& From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) Subject: Re: Recycling option = Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0407300630.7185a5ca@posting.google.com>   ` JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<4109A0FF.5724F5A@teksavvy.com>... > Rich Jordan wrote: > > G > > Just passing this along.  Office Depot, which is a fairly widepread J > > chain, is having a promotion in the continental US where you can bringD > > in for recycling many different type of old or dead electronics, > P > If I recall some BBC report I saw, this promotion is sponsored by HP. (so thisH > isn't totally OT). But I am not sure if this is permanent or just some > marketing gimmick. >   C Its not permanent; at least the equipment recycling is only through F Labor Day (September 6th).  Nonetheless its a great opportunity to get? old, dead, crufty items off the shelves and out of the closets.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:42:49 +0100 5 From: "Robert A.M. van Lopik" <lopik@mail.telepac.pt> , Subject: Re: Running VMS on a simulated VAX?* Message-ID: <2mugkeFqll33U1@uni-berlin.de>  ? "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:4109B2F1.13E2D9C0@comcast.net...   > "Robert A.M. van Lopik" wrote: > > D > > "Undisclosed" <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com> wrote in message. > > news:j8Gdna90sbS1GJXcRVn-pQ@comcast.com... > > > Dan Foster wrote:  > > > D > > > > In article <41085F49.90E0C9DA@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera& > > <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > ' > > > >>OVMS CDs are ODS, not ISO-9660.  > > > >  > > > > < > > > > Ah, yes, right you are. A slip of the mind / tongue. > > > > H > > > > At least one PC-based CD burning software strenously objected to burning I > > > > an ODS-2 based image to CD, so had to use cdrecord under Linux to  burnL > > > > my CD. Epitome of silliness, but that were the machinations required to' > > > > get the VMS machines installed.  > > > >  > > > > -Dan > > > F > > > I wonder if the exact CD copy style software under Windows could handle > > ODS. > > > G > > > not much point in trying that when you can just use cdrecord or a  > > > frontend, though. " > > Well, you do need an ISO-image >  > ...errrr, ODS image ...  >  > > of the ODS-VMS-CD. >  > D.J.D.H No, I meant ISO-image (file) from the VMS distro disk, See simh_faq.txt:   .... 4.2 How do I install VMS?   A To install VMS, you will need a distribution CD ROM.  Any version , after VMS 5.5-2 should run on the simulator.  D - Transcribe the distribution CD ROM to an ISO-format CD image file.7   (See question 2.5 for information on how to do this.)  - Set drive RQ1 to be a CD ROM. 6 - Attach the CD ROM image file to simulated drive RQ1. ....  
 Rob van Lopik    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:59:51 -0500 2 From: "-Andy-" <see2go4me@spamdelicious.yahoo.com>, Subject: Re: Running VMS on a simulated VAX?6 Message-ID: <Xns95366FE174010see2go4me@216.196.97.131>  0 VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG enlightened us with:      5 > Nice.  How about a version of SimH VAX running on a 0 > Powerbook G4 OS X 10.3.* with ethernet and, if > possible, CDrom access???   9 Hmmm... I had SIMH 2.96 running on a G3 iBook w/OS X 1.4  5 but that was before there was ethernet support and I  , never got around to it... maybe this summer.   -Andy-           --  4 You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant -- Excepting Alice   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jul 2004 07:57:46 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) " Subject: Re: Solaris to Itanium...= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0407300657.69454a92@posting.google.com>   a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<4109B330.57E07AFC@teksavvy.com>... K > Paul demone forgot to add that Sun is still developping sparc-4, and that P > Fujutsu is developping what will be the replacement for the cancelled sparc-5. > K > So, sparc gets a could upgrades in its current generation, while the next $ > generation will come from fujutsi.  = Sun is merely putting two older core designs on the same chip F substrate. It has apparently given up on doing out-of-order processingF and SMT. Fujitsu isn't likely to attempt projects of that magnitude on. its own. And it's in the Itanium camp as well.  < > I can't see why you or anyone would compare Sparc to Alpha  E Because the symptoms (scaled-back plans on the proprietary chip side, < coupled with increasingly-visible focus on industry-standard@ microprocessors) and the underlying causes (high expense of chipE development, coupled with poor financial state of the parent company)  are similar.  F If it isn't clear to you yet, just wait -- it will become clearer over time.   N > Also, in terms of MIPS, have there been official "we doN't develoop anymore" > statements ?  F SGI purchased MIPS, and SGI's stated future direction is with Itanium.   From Geek.com:? http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2003Jun/bch20030620020488.htm B "MIPS found it increasingly difficult to fund CPU development, and1 even SGI began to switch to Itanium-based systems E (http://www.sgi.com/servers/altix/). SGI has largely lost interest in : the fading MIPS architecture, and MIPS is now primarily anB intellectual property company, selling processors for the embedded< market. Even in this market, however, MIPS is rapidly losingF marketshare (http://www.siliconstrategies.com/story/OEG20030618S0015).E It appears as if MIPS' glory days are far behind, and that the future  is uncertain at best."  D SGI just made a big Itanium-based system sale to NASA (10,240 CPUs). From ZDnet: B http://www.zdnetindia.com/techzone/linuxcentre/stories/107125.htmlC "SGI historically built computers using its MIPS processor and Irix D version of the Unix operating system, but it's been making a gradual@ transition to Itanium and Linux. Although it continues to supplyE MIPS-Irix systems to existing customers, most of the company's growth D and attention is tied to the Itanium-Linux products, SGI spokeswoman Ginny Babbitt said."   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:29:46 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> " Subject: Re: Solaris to Itanium..., Message-ID: <410A7778.B4097B8E@teksavvy.com>   Keith Parris wrote: ? > Sun is merely putting two older core designs on the same chip  > substrate.  N So what you are saying is that Sparc 4 is equivalent of EV7: new chip with old core in it ?  M (Isn't it correct that EV7 has an EV6 core with new bells and whistles around $ it to make it perform much better ?)    < >It has apparently given up on doing out-of-order processingH > and SMT. Fujitsu isn't likely to attempt projects of that magnitude on0 > its own. And it's in the Itanium camp as well.  . Perhaps Andrew can comment on the "apparently"  G > Because the symptoms (scaled-back plans on the proprietary chip side, > > coupled with increasingly-visible focus on industry-standardB > microprocessors) and the underlying causes (high expense of chipG > development, coupled with poor financial state of the parent company)  > are similar.  H However, unlike Digital ,Compaq and HP,  Sun relies heavily on SPARC forH revenus because it is part of its core business. Digital, Comapq, HP hadP wintel as their core business and couldn't care less for Alpha, VMS , Tru64 etc.  H > If it isn't clear to you yet, just wait -- it will become clearer over > time.   M The move to Opteron does force someone to keep an eye opened. However, do not J dismiss the large installed based of sparc machines running solaris. (muchN greater than Alpha). While Compaq/HP used accounting to claim Alpha was losingK money, losing ground or losing period, the fact of the matter is that Alpha I was killed for purely political/religious reasons. Now, take Sun's larger P custoemr base (compared to Alpha), and I don't see why Sun can't continue Sparc.  M SUN has no religion/conviction against Sparc, on the contrary, it knows it is  at the heart of its business.   K Contrary to Digital (Compaq and HP), Sun knows that Solaris needs to retain G the scalability from affordable workstation to very large systems. And  P keeping the 8086 product alive is key to being able to provide that scalability.  M Digital had just given up on the low end, wanting to sell only large systems, T especuially since it didn't want any of its own products to compete against Windows.  K Now, if the 8086 does start to gain tru enterprise class features that give H the same performance/scalability/features as Sparc, then yeah, when thatC happens, Sun will be able to make some tough decisions about Sparc.   D But until then, it appears to me that Sun will continue to spoew outD competitive Sparc based systems, no matter who makes the Sparc chip.    D > "MIPS found it increasingly difficult to fund CPU development, and3 > even SGI began to switch to Itanium-based systems < > the fading MIPS architecture, and MIPS is now primarily anD > intellectual property company, selling processors for the embedded	 > market.   9 "increasingly difficult to fund" != "has stopped funding"   N There is no question that MIPS is no longer a leading architecture. Neither isN "ARM", but in their respective niche markets, they may still be quite popular.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:04:02 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>1 Subject: Re: StorageWorks EVA to Windows Question 8 Message-ID: <qf1ig0l9hihper9810k48n2572iqeceje9@4ax.com>  H On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:10:23 -0400, "Hal Kuff" <kuff@comcast.net> wrote:  L >Rather than run Securepath per se, we're intertested in using a rack switchM >(maxann, San valley?) to present EVA storage to the Windows boxes... that is L >to say present 1TB of raw storage to the fibre channel switch and have thatH >small switch with its internal 8 port swicth present the storage to the< >individual Windows boxes... anyone doing this? Or know how? >S  J If you're going to dual-attach the windows systems for reliability, you'reE probably going to need SecurePath.  Because if both HBAs see the sameWK storage, you're going to have multiple drives on the system pointing to thesC same LUN, and both are writable.  I don't see how adding the switch  features will change that.  A If you're just single attaching your servers, then you don't needH0 SecurePath, nor any special switch presentation.  3 What is it that you're really trying to accomplish?n   --- jlsa0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.6 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 02:41:35 -0400p- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>eH Subject: Re: Structure of SMTP Receiver - simple spam and content filter, Message-ID: <4109ED9F.A4F741C9@teksavvy.com>   Jeff Morgan wrote:N > TEC runs every 60 seconds in a batch que and checks the que for jobs waitingH > to be tested. If it approves the content inside the message, it simplyN > reques the job to a new SMTP server que called TCPIP$APPROVED that is alwaysI > started. These emails then get immediately delivered just like a normal ! > TCP/IP Services configuration..e    I Very interesting concept. If you converted your program to a symbiont, itgK could then function even more rapidly on emails. Advantage is that it woulde, also scan outbound and intra-company emails.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:30:40 -0400e0 From: "Jeff Morgan" <vmswiz@geonospamcities.com>H Subject: Re: Structure of SMTP Receiver - simple spam and content filter- Message-ID: <cedlun$88u0$1@news3.infoave.net>m  I Actually, it does scan both inbound and outbound messages. You can policeVI your employees. Or you can watch over your kids if you are using HobbyistSK VMS at home as your mail gateway. I actually stop all emails incoming to my-K children and manually release them. The DCL command file can simply do a...0  2      reply/bell/user=username "kids just got mail"  9 ...whenever they get a message that needs to be reviewed.1  K All SMTP messages inbound or outbound go through the TCPIP$SMTP_nodename_00t generic que.  K The good thing about using pure DCL is that you can make changes easily and  quickly.  F The older I get, the lazier I get...a symbiont would force me to use a compiler...e   : - De  "                               Jeff    : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:4109ED9F.A4F741C9@teksavvy.com... > Jeff Morgan wrote:H > > TEC runs every 60 seconds in a batch que and checks the que for jobs waitingoJ > > to be tested. If it approves the content inside the message, it simplyI > > reques the job to a new SMTP server que called TCPIP$APPROVED that ish alwaysK > > started. These emails then get immediately delivered just like a normal # > > TCP/IP Services configuration..1 >l >dK > Very interesting concept. If you converted your program to a symbiont, it G > could then function even more rapidly on emails. Advantage is that its would . > also scan outbound and intra-company emails.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:47:45 +0200m From: jf.pieronne@laposte.netMH Subject: Re: Structure of SMTP Receiver - simple spam and content filter2 Message-ID: <cedn2m$jbn$1@news-reader5.wanadoo.fr>   JF Mezei wrote:o > Jeff Morgan wrote: > N >>TEC runs every 60 seconds in a batch que and checks the que for jobs waitingH >>to be tested. If it approves the content inside the message, it simplyN >>reques the job to a new SMTP server que called TCPIP$APPROVED that is alwaysI >>started. These emails then get immediately delivered just like a normal ! >>TCP/IP Services configuration..  >  >  > K > Very interesting concept. If you converted your program to a symbiont, itmM > could then function even more rapidly on emails. Advantage is that it woulde. > also scan outbound and intra-company emails.  ? I am currently playing with ASSP (Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy Server, i http://assp.sourceforge.net/)    Run fine on my VMS box.d  
 Another JF   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:48:53 +0200T* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>H Subject: Re: Structure of SMTP Receiver - simple spam and content filter* Message-ID: <2mv5epFqg7j6U1@uni-berlin.de>   Jeff Morgan wrote:K > There's an easy way to do spam and content filtering on VMS. Check out myb4 > TEC (Test email content) DCL command procedure at: > 2 >         http://www.geocities.com/vmswiz/vms.html >     Thanks. I've had a look at that.  4 Just one point. As supplied, the zipfile expands to:   [.morgan.www.geocities]tec.com   creating 3 subdirectories.   -- e
 Paul Sture  - OS X: "It's Unix, Jim, but not as we know it"    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:55:46 -0400m0 From: "Jeff Morgan" <vmswiz@geonospamcities.com>H Subject: Re: Structure of SMTP Receiver - simple spam and content filter- Message-ID: <cedndq$8963$1@news3.infoave.net>y  F I always unzip using the "-j" option so it ignores the subdirectories.  ? Sorry. Never occured to me to warn anyone about this "feature".    : - D   '                                    Jefft    7 "Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in messagea$ news:2mv5epFqg7j6U1@uni-berlin.de... > Jeff Morgan wrote:J > > There's an easy way to do spam and content filtering on VMS. Check out my6 > > TEC (Test email content) DCL command procedure at: > >.4 > >         http://www.geocities.com/vmswiz/vms.html > >o >s" > Thanks. I've had a look at that. >:6 > Just one point. As supplied, the zipfile expands to: >s  > [.morgan.www.geocities]tec.com >h > creating 3 subdirectories. >  > --   > Paul Sture > / > OS X: "It's Unix, Jim, but not as we know it"e   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jul 2004 07:52:56 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)c< Subject: Re: Time to patch OpenVMS - DCE-RPC buffer overflow3 Message-ID: <d4gtU$ZhmQeR@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <1NHArIMLec9K@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:  > = > 	So the challenge in introducing a new verb would be to shye< > 	away form "RE" roots and choose a synonym, plenty of room& > 	in the "SA" namespace for instance.  +    That might tend to get to close to grep.m   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jul 2004 07:57:57 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)f< Subject: Re: Time to patch OpenVMS - DCE-RPC buffer overflow3 Message-ID: <D+lIQ7DgdS9M@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  a In article <YQAZZUHm36WR@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:  > A > 	One other point.. Imagine if they broke the "run" abbreviation/> > 	of "r".  Probably thousands of poorly written DCL that have  C    I believe that changes to VMS do not constitute breakage as longtG    as they are compatable with already existing, documented interfaces.o  F    I don't believe there is any document that "r" is a DCL command.  I?    do believe that there is a document warning about the use ofaE    abbreviations in command files.  I know there's a document warning4%    about using 4 or fewer characters.o  E    Command files full of "r image" are simply good examples of poorlyd@    written software who's author did not understand how to writeF    maintainable code:  using something that happens to work instead of    what's documented to work.o  H    I've spent many years fixing up such poor programing.  You do realizeD    that (outside of MS) most software projects consume 2/3 to 3/4 of/    thier total expense in the maintenace phase?p   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:33:15 -0400q5 From: "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com>A( Subject: RE: Touch Screen Voting systemsQ Message-ID: <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D504ADA58E@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>-   >-----Original Message-----J> >From: Charlie Hammond [mailto:hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com]=20& >Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 4:23 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com) >Subject: Re: Touch Screen Voting systemse >d >(snip)x >oH >And, of course, the Touch Screen systems have *NO* audit train to allow  J >a re-count.  Even the proposal for attaching printers will only record=20C >the machine count, not the voter's intent, as IS recorded by papers balots. =20o >{sigh}o  E what if the system printed a "reciept" of what the person entered in,  andsF the voter was responsible for verifying the printout before depositing it- in a slot?  Wouldnt this verify their intent?   ) ------------------------------------------L The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and c=L onfidential information and is intended only for the use of the person(s) n=L amed above. If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent =L responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, any revi=L ew, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication is str=L ictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the=L  sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original =L message. 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In the U.S.: 1345 Avenue of the Americas, New York, NY 101= 05.l   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jul 2004 08:02:24 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e( Subject: Re: Touch Screen Voting systems3 Message-ID: <E9uaK6hoOQE7@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  p In article <a3c44af1.0407291039.67641b3a@posting.google.com>, dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter) writes:G > Does anyone know anything about these systems, particularly about thenH > recent report (last couple of days) about voting information lost when> > they experienced a system crash (I think it was in Florida).4 >      Does anyone know what systems they are using?E > and/or    Does anyone know how the OS/hardware decisions were made?a  D    The systems Florida is using originally did not have a separatelyG    auditable "paper trail".  You read out the counts, and if you wantedeH    a recount you re-read the counts.  Old mechanical voting machines had    the same limitation.   E    The vendor (ESS) added an electronic, battery-backup "paper trail"-E    that could be reprocesed to reproduce the counts.  In testing thisa)    is sometimes unreadable after a crash.u  E    Which shows that Deibold is not the only electronic voting machine7    vendor with issues.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:10:24 -0400e From: norm.raphael@metso.com( Subject: RE: Touch Screen Voting systemsQ Message-ID: <OF8E997A66.1EB5BBDA-ON85256EE1.0047989E-85256EE1.0048637B@metso.com>w  C "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com> wrote on 07/30/2004t 08:33:15 AM:   >c >e > >-----Original Message-----a= > >From: Charlie Hammond [mailto:hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com]e( > >Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 4:23 PM > >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ > >Subject: Re: Touch Screen Voting systemsi > > 	 > >(snip)s > > J > >And, of course, the Touch Screen systems have *NO* audit train to allow > I > >a re-count.  Even the proposal for attaching printers will only recordmE > >the machine count, not the voter's intent, as IS recorded by papero	 > balots.e	 > >{sigh}i >oG > What if the system printed a "receipt" of what the person entered in,lA > and the voter was responsible for verifying the printout beforelD > depositing it in a slot?  Wouldn't this verify the voter's intent? >    I am not an expert, butp  E That ignores many of the reasons/advantages of a touch screen system.>D Those who don't read english or have limited vision or are otherwiseF impaired can be accomodated by a touch screen system in ways that makeD visual verification of intent dicey unless the printout is very much> like what was on the screen.  Handling the printout also poses
 difficulties. G Then there is the time factor.  Proponents of touch screen also want toiK save money and having a paper that must be secured results in all the costsiF of a paper system plus those of the touch screen system.  All of theseJ solutions are weakest if the ballot contains a large number of complicatedF referendum items (as California often does) unless you only retain theF vote on a "short" line or number, and this makes checking the printout prone to error.v  I Remember that most voters are not as smart or educated or literate as arew you.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jul 2004 06:54:02 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)( Subject: Re: Touch Screen Voting systems= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0407300554.421c73b9@posting.google.com>s  u dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter) wrote in message news:<a3c44af1.0407291039.67641b3a@posting.google.com>...<G > Does anyone know anything about these systems, particularly about theeH > recent report (last couple of days) about voting information lost when> > they experienced a system crash (I think it was in Florida).4 >      Does anyone know what systems they are using?E > and/or    Does anyone know how the OS/hardware decisions were made?e >  > Dave.W  I Just check the brazilian system ! It works ! A simple hardware (no touch rE screen). And we are selling it to some contries (L.America and Asia).i  9 http://www.microbase.com.br/cases/imgs/urnaeletronica.jpg    []s  
 Fabio Cardosoo   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:51:30 -0400s5 From: "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com>c( Subject: RE: Touch Screen Voting systemsQ Message-ID: <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D504ADA592@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>i   -----Original Message-----? From: norm.raphael@metso.com [mailto:norm.raphael@metso.com]=20l# Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 9:10 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comf( Subject: RE: Touch Screen Voting systems  C "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com> wrote on 07/30/2004S 08:33:15 AM:   >n >j > >-----Original Message-----t= > >From: Charlie Hammond [mailto:hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com]o( > >Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 4:23 PM > >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ > >Subject: Re: Touch Screen Voting systems  > >a	 > >(snip)i > >oG > >And, of course, the Touch Screen systems have *NO* audit train to=20i > >allow > E > >a re-count.  Even the proposal for attaching printers will only=20eI > >record the machine count, not the voter's intent, as IS recorded by=20r > >paper	 > balots.4	 > >{sigh}r > J > What if the system printed a "receipt" of what the person entered in,=20D > and the voter was responsible for verifying the printout before=20D > depositing it in a slot?  Wouldn't this verify the voter's intent? >7   I am not an expert, butM  E That ignores many of the reasons/advantages of a touch screen system. D Those who don't read english or have limited vision or are otherwiseF impaired can be accomodated by a touch screen system in ways that makeD visual verification of intent dicey unless the printout is very much> like what was on the screen.  Handling the printout also posesH difficulties. Then there is the time factor.  Proponents of touch screenG also want to save money and having a paper that must be secured results-A in all the costs of a paper system plus those of the touch screen.D system.  All of these solutions are weakest if the ballot contains aG large number of complicated referendum items (as California often does)tE unless you only retain the vote on a "short" line or number, and this + makes checking the printout prone to error.   E Remember that most voters are not as smart or educated or literate asv are you.     -----------------a  G but how do you prove the person's intent (I know it's a silly argument, . but read what the poster posted before me) not the machine's count?  ) -----------------------------------------rL The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and c=L onfidential information and is intended only for the use of the person(s) n=L amed above. If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent =L responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, any revi=L ew, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication is str=L ictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the=L  sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original =L message. Please note that we do not accept account orders and/or instructio=L ns by e-mail, and therefore will not be responsible for carrying out such o= rders and/or instructions.L If you, as the intended recipient of this message, the purpose of which is =L to inform and update our clients, prospects and consultants of developments=L  relating to our services and products, would not like to receive further e=L -mail correspondence from the sender, please "reply" to the sender indicati=L ng your wishes.  In the U.S.: 1345 Avenue of the Americas, New York, NY 101= 05.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:13:16 -0400s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>-( Subject: Re: Touch Screen Voting systems+ Message-ID: <410A739B.C8554F6@teksavvy.com>s   Bob Koehler wrote:G >    The vendor (ESS) added an electronic, battery-backup "paper trail" G >    that could be reprocesed to reproduce the counts.  In testing thisy+ >    is sometimes unreadable after a crash.t  1 Haven't any of these guys heard of flash memory ?   H While modern flash memory cards seem to act more like RAM than flash, itN should still be possible to have the behaviour of the older flash memory whereQ you can't really erase anything (unless you reformat the chip (erase everything).V  J A machine could have dual flash memories which would be read by 2 separate+ counting machines to authenticate the vote.     H Because our votes are simple (vote for one person only), they count them manually and this works well.   F In the USA, because votes include multiple votes (president, senators,K governors, attorneys, various resolutions etc), it isn't so simple to counta the ballots.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jul 2004 12:19:24 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ( Subject: Re: Touch Screen Voting systems3 Message-ID: <tLo0ak+aHgHk@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  [ In article <410A739B.C8554F6@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:b > Bob Koehler wrote:H >>    The vendor (ESS) added an electronic, battery-backup "paper trail"H >>    that could be reprocesed to reproduce the counts.  In testing this, >>    is sometimes unreadable after a crash. > 3 > Haven't any of these guys heard of flash memory ?r >   F    I don't think the problem is in the memory system, or even with theB    batteries.  I read between the lines that the software bug that.    crashes the system also overwrites the log.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:16:37 GMT A From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk> ( Subject: Re: Where to get OpenVMS Alpha?? Message-ID: <FtnOc.11219$pX5.113640584@news-text.cableinet.net>l  J If you're a software developer then join the HP DSPP - that programme getsL you VMS SDKs (binaries and layered products, plus most licences) at a pretty low cost. See www.hp.com/dspps     -- m   Hope this helps, Colin.n) colin DOT butcher AT xdelta DOT co DOT uknL Systems Archaeologist - Investigation & troubleshooting of older systems and	 networks.o   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jul 2004 08:09:55 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)s( Subject: Re: Where to get OpenVMS Alpha?3 Message-ID: <zfM88JGOdM7M@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  Z In article <cec1k2$1d35$1@news.mainstreet.net>, Steven Schoch <schoch@spamcop.net> writes:I > I have 2 old AlphaStation 400's just sitting around.  One has DEC Unix sK > and the other has Windows NT, but I don't need those anymore so I'd like   > to load OpenVMS. > I > The trouble is, I can't find it.  I started with HP's web site, got as 0H > far as finding a price list, so I called their sales number and asked K > for OpenVMS.  They said they don't sell it, but I could find a copy from cI > a reseller.  I called a couple of their listed resellers but they were o > no help either.r >  > So where can I get a copy?  K    You can get a copy of VMS and a popular subset of layered products from  G    the hobbyist guys fairly cheap.  Sometimes you can find full sets ont    eBay.  "    I just borrowed mine from work.  H    You will probably need the free hobbyist licenses while you're at it.   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 07:45:57 +0000 (UTC)a6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)/ Subject: [Hobbyist] Please fix Webserverprobleme1 Message-ID: <newscache$tsmn1i$alv1$1@news.sil.at>   + http://www.openvmshobbyist.com/register.php    currently gives    Warning: mysql_connect(): Can't connect to MySQL server on 'localhost' (61) in /apache$common/openvmshobbyist/register.php on line 294   Warning: mysql_select_db(): Can't connect to MySQL server on 'localhost' (61) in /apache$common/openvmshobbyist/register.php on line 295   Warning: mysql_select_db(): A link to the server could not be established in /apache$common/openvmshobbyist/register.php on line 295 Hobbyist Database Error     F Please fix it ASAP (or my licenses terminate during my 2 week vacation. and I then can't access my home any longer ;-)   Many TIA   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERa% Network and OpenVMS system specialistc E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:01:14 -0400h- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 3 Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] Please fix Webserverproblem , Message-ID: <410A70CA.CAA6886B@teksavvy.com>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:H > Please fix it ASAP (or my licenses terminate during my 2 week vacation0 > and I then can't access my home any longer ;-)   $SET TIME="-14 00:00:00"    L You'll have bad time stamps everywhere, but you can still access the system.  H Generally, I have found The Montagar people (David L Cathay) to be quiteM responsive to issues with regards to renewalls. So my guess is that you won'tt have to use a SET TIME command.5   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:25:58 +0200.* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>; Subject: Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS machines run?e* Message-ID: <2muihaFq5hahU1@uni-berlin.de>   Undisclosed wrote:I > personal ones or ones you administer for non-work purposes, of course,  ? > since it would be a little cheesy to ask about work machines.u > F > I wondered if everyone here were total OVMS stalwarts that wouldn't K > dream of not having DCL on one of their machines, and if not, what their b. > personal systems of choice besides OVMS ran. >   E VMS can be extremely handy for things which are not so easy to do or -G require extra software on other systems. For example if I have a bunch mF of files on a PC which need some global changes, moving them to a VMS F system and using DCL and one of the editors can be _much_ faster than  doing the same on a PC.s  H > I'm using fairly cheap ( I deliberately bought less than the state of J > the art) but well constructed x86 based machines multibooting variously > > between Win XP, various Linux distros, FreeBSD, and OpenBSD. >   I My first NT system was a top of the range one. Seeing how fast it became F? obsolete persuaded me to go cheap and cheerful for further PCs.m  G I've been the NT route, with an unfortunate diversion for a while into  H the frustration of Win98, and tried both Red Hat and SuSE. SuSE 7.n was C fine, but I upgraded to make sure I was covered for all the latest s5 vulnerabilites, and was disappointed with the result.t  D Since then I got an iBook. After a lousy start (OS X 10.1), and not G enough RAM (256Mb), I upgraded to Jaguar, then Panther, upping the RAM  C to the maximum of 640Mb. Since then I have been very happy with it.   ,  > Or even better, a brand new G5 Powerbook.  / I think you'll have some time to wait there :-)    -- i
 Paul Sture  - OS X: "It's Unix, Jim, but not as we know it"    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:15:00 +0100 & From: Nic Clews <spamthis@[127.0.0.1]>; Subject: Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS machines run?o' Message-ID: <cedaic$k4q$1@lore.csc.com>    Undisclosed wrote:  I > personal ones or ones you administer for non-work purposes, of course,  ? > since it would be a little cheesy to ask about work machines.o  
 I'll bite.  E I've some W98 that I'm loathe to upgrade to XP, as the "work" system  G doesn't seem to have any practical improvements over ancient versions, iH still Windows, still does stupid things, and I still have to shout WAKE I UP to it, several times a day whist using despite the fact the processor oF is several 10's of times the clock rate of the former systems. I also  have an NT4 lintel box.F  F My main VMS hobby cluster is on 6.2, so I can build software upwardly F compatible with the majority of systems. I have also started making a H 7.3 cluster  (and 7.3-2), more for interest than to replace the current F main hobby version. IP connection is ISDN 64/128 via terminal server, I that was fun to set up. These systems need a mention because they assist t* in the integration of the non VMS systems.  C I'm running Mandrake 10, and I'm clearing down a drive to evaluate gC Linspire (formerly Lindows). I also have an older Redhat (V5.n), a 6E windows 3.11, a native BBC model B. Only the 3.11 and the BBC is not :; able to access the internet, unless you count serial lines.4  I I've a 3com managed switch, at the moment just one UPS (APCC) but I have mC another to bring on-line when I've replaced the batteries. I've an tF integrated LAN with a managed print server (jetdirect), and UTP round 
 the house!  E The cats tend to administer themselves, and contrary to the expected eF facts, the house and everything in it was installed for their benefit. -- wE Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. Car Park Charges, CSC Computer Scienceso nclews at csc dot comr   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jul 2004 07:55:36 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)f; Subject: Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS machines run?w3 Message-ID: <Fy0V21K3wqzD@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <2muihaFq5hahU1@uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:o > Undisclosed wrote:J >> personal ones or ones you administer for non-work purposes, of course, @ >> since it would be a little cheesy to ask about work machines. >> aG >> I wondered if everyone here were total OVMS stalwarts that wouldn't  L >> dream of not having DCL on one of their machines, and if not, what their / >> personal systems of choice besides OVMS ran.r >>   > G > VMS can be extremely handy for things which are not so easy to do or  I > require extra software on other systems. For example if I have a bunch 0H > of files on a PC which need some global changes, moving them to a VMS H > system and using DCL and one of the editors can be _much_ faster than  > doing the same on a PC.S  D But if you upgrade to using TECO as your editor, wildcarding through5 the files can be accomplished from within the editor.l   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jul 2004 07:36:38 -0700& From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan); Subject: Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS machines run?a= Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0407300636.64e46f90@posting.google.com>r  k Undisclosed <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com> wrote in message news:<SOidnV8zTNtj6pTcRVn-jQ@comcast.com>... I > personal ones or ones you administer for non-work purposes, of course, h? > since it would be a little cheesy to ask about work machines.e >   . Primary systems, running the hobbyist license:D      Alphastation 600-5/333, 256MB, OpenVMS V7.2-2  (webserver, php, pivot, etc)SE      PWS600au, 1GB, OpenVMS V7.3-1  (desktop, mail, browsing, program  development)<      Alphastation 200 4/233, 384MB, OpenVMS V7.3-2 (testbed)   Alternate systems-       Mac G4/933, 1GB, OSX 10.3.x;      PWS333i+ (DP), 256MB, former NT box soon to have Linuxo  B I used to run Alpha NT on the AS200, until a usable browser became available under VMS.   Rich   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:42:32 +0200h* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>; Subject: Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS machines run?o* Message-ID: <2mv52sFr8fqmU1@uni-berlin.de>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:Y > In article <2muihaFq5hahU1@uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:g >  >>G >>VMS can be extremely handy for things which are not so easy to do or mI >>require extra software on other systems. For example if I have a bunch sH >>of files on a PC which need some global changes, moving them to a VMS H >>system and using DCL and one of the editors can be _much_ faster than  >>doing the same on a PC.  >  > F > But if you upgrade to using TECO as your editor, wildcarding through7 > the files can be accomplished from within the editor.e  I LOL! I _knew_ there was a reason I'd squirrelled away a copy of the TECO n manual.n   --  
 Paul Sture  - OS X: "It's Unix, Jim, but not as we know it"b   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:05:00 GMTn% From: Roger Ivie <rivie@ridgenet.net>.; Subject: Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS machines run?m3 Message-ID: <slrncgks8a.t1v.rivie@Stench.no.domain>f  C On 2004-07-29, Undisclosed <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com> wrote: I > personal ones or ones you administer for non-work purposes, of course, a? > since it would be a little cheesy to ask about work machines.e >lH > I'm using fairly cheap ( I deliberately bought less than the state of J > the art) but well constructed x86 based machines multibooting variously > > between Win XP, various Linux distros, FreeBSD, and OpenBSD.  G My wife gets the good machine; I run the old crap no one wants anymore.rH My main machine is now the machine her best friend gave up on because it! was too slow. I run NetBSD on it.a  H I also have a beige G3 on which I run MacOS. I used to run NetBSD on it,D until the wife bought a firewire camcorder and suddenly wanted to be able to run iMovie.l  G My main VMS machine is a Sandpiper I got surplus for $25. I also have al> VAXstation 4000/96 for running VMS, although it also ran as anG unofficial corporate webserver using NetBSD for about a year at a PPOE.i  & I like NetBSD for a couple of reasons:  B   - It runs on things that aren't PCs, and I have plenty of those.  H   - It is highly configurable in a manner that Linux and FreeBSD aren't.  >     My previous PC was my wife's old box; something in the IDEA     controller died in a manner that made it incapable of runningcC     Windows (for some reason, the IDE controller could no longer dooE     DMA). I was able to configure NetBSD around the problem by simply D     telling it to ignore that PCI IDE controller and use it as if it     were an ISA one. i  A     I tried both FreeBSD and Linux on the machine, but they both  C     discovered the PCI IDE controller and keeled over because they iC     tried to use the broken DMA. The machine ran NetBSD 24x7 for a e1     couple of years with a broken IDE controller.u  D I have an 8" SSSD CP/M box right here. And my Epson PX-8, although I6 need to run through it and change all the batteries... -- S
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 Version: 3.122H GCS/P d- s:+++ a+ C++ UB--(++++) !P L- !E W++ N++ o-- K w O- M+ V+++ PS+? PE++ Y+ PGP t+ 5+ X-- R tv++ b++ DI+++ D+ G e++ h--- r+++ z+++ ( ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------V   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:27:35 -0400a3 From: Undisclosed <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com>s; Subject: Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS machines run?t0 Message-ID: <5YydnVwc5dOPGJfcRVn-jQ@comcast.com>   Nic Clews wrote: > Undisclosed wrote: > J >> personal ones or ones you administer for non-work purposes, of course, @ >> since it would be a little cheesy to ask about work machines. >  >  > I'll bite. > G > I've some W98 that I'm loathe to upgrade to XP, as the "work" system 'I > doesn't seem to have any practical improvements over ancient versions, sJ > still Windows, still does stupid things, and I still have to shout WAKE K > UP to it, several times a day whist using despite the fact the processor hH > is several 10's of times the clock rate of the former systems. I also  > have an NT4 lintel box.p  I XP is actually pretty much a decent upgrade from W98 provided you have a yG PII/PIII 450 or greater, if you shut off all the unneccessary services u? it comes with default on. Blackviper guide has some good lists.c  F the stability on XP is WAY better than W98. I had to restart my Win98  system every 6 hours of use.  G I can actually leave my XP system up for a couple of days of heavy use a: before I start having problems with application stability.  H the downside of XP is that you are vulnerable to all the nasty RPC junk G Windows leaves on and which is the current favorite target for Windows e3 attackers, and which basically can't be turned off.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:30:25 -0400e3 From: Undisclosed <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com> ; Subject: Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS machines run? 0 Message-ID: <5YydnV8c5dMmGJfcRVn-jQ@comcast.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:  h > In article <SOidnV8zTNtj6pTcRVn-jQ@comcast.com>, Undisclosed <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com> writes: > I >>personal ones or ones you administer for non-work purposes, of course, r? >>since it would be a little cheesy to ask about work machines.d >  > F >    Non VMS?  Of course I use VMS at home!  OK, I also use Mac OS and >    on rare occaison Pro OS.    what's Pro OS?   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Jul 2004 17:42:18 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon); Subject: Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS machines run?r* Message-ID: <2mvfjqFrd2ahU1@uni-berlin.de>  0 In article <5YydnV8c5dMmGJfcRVn-jQ@comcast.com>,6 	Undisclosed <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com> writes: > Bob Koehler wrote: > i >> In article <SOidnV8zTNtj6pTcRVn-jQ@comcast.com>, Undisclosed <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com> writes:c >>  J >>>personal ones or ones you administer for non-work purposes, of course, @ >>>since it would be a little cheesy to ask about work machines. >> e >> fG >>    Non VMS?  Of course I use VMS at home!  OK, I also use Mac OS anda >>    on rare occaison Pro OS.   >  > what's Pro OS?  K A whacked out version of RSX I think.  :-) (My Pro runs RT-11.  I have been G meaning to put Pro OS on it but never seem to have the time to make allj those floppies.)   bill   -- dJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   l   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.419 ************************