1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 02 Jun 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 305       Contents: ACME password change CATCH-22 ! Re: ACME password change CATCH-22 ! Re: ACME password change CATCH-22 ! Re: ACME password change CATCH-22  Re: Cluster disk mount problem Re: datatrieve: Re: DtWsm function to detect occupation of all workspaces?
 FOCUS help HP DAT72 DDS5 under 7.2-1  Re: HP DAT72 DDS5 under 7.2-1 3 HP developer resources for porting from unix to VMS 7 RE: HP developer resources for porting from unix to VMS # Re: Is my Itanic showing....at all? # Re: Is my Itanic showing....at all? A Is VAX/VMS V1.0/V2.0 available for download in SIMH .TAP format ? ) RE: Maybe this is good for VMS, maybe not ) Re: Maybe this is good for VMS, maybe not 5 Re: More on Processors from May issues of "PROCESSOR" - Re: Solaris command output in a VMS symbol... - Re: Solaris command output in a VMS symbol... - Re: Solaris command output in a VMS symbol... - Re: Solaris command output in a VMS symbol... - Re: Solaris command output in a VMS symbol...  Re: Storing system files in CMS  Re: Storing system files in CMS  Re: Storing system files in CMS  Re: T4 and friends VMS Hobbyist licenses  RE: VMS Hobbyist licenses  Re: Welcome FujitSUN Re: Welcome FujitSUN Re: Welcome FujitSUN! [HW] Looking for a DLT 7000 drive % Re: [HW] Looking for a DLT 7000 drive % Re: [HW] Looking for a DLT 7000 drive   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 07:13:05 GMT  From: danco@ns2.pebble.org& Subject: ACME password change CATCH-221 Message-ID: <slrncbqrok.3mh.danco@ns2.pebble.org>   B Please forgive me if this is already "fixed."  I haven't been able# to try it in V7.3-2 or in V8.2 yet.   ? The ACME pasword change function does not permit the logon type ? to be specified.  (BTW, it is actually later checked for by the < ACME code that handles the password change).  In the case of: password change, the logon type can only be defaulted, not8 explicitly specified.  Also, a logon type of zero, which= is what a detached server process gets when the logon type is : defaulted, is not permitted.  Therefore, a detached server9 process (application broker in my case) cannot be used to 8 change passwords on a user's behalf.  This really stinks; big time.  Some kind sole in OpenVMS development please fix > ACME to permit the logon type to be specified for the password change function.   - an   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jun 2004 07:08:39 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) * Subject: Re: ACME password change CATCH-223 Message-ID: <ZO0I3JhJSE8Q@eisner.encompasserve.org>   N In article <slrncbqrok.3mh.danco@ns2.pebble.org>, danco@ns2.pebble.org writes:D > Please forgive me if this is already "fixed."  I haven't been able% > to try it in V7.3-2 or in V8.2 yet.  > A > The ACME pasword change function does not permit the logon type  > to be specified.  > Even with full privileges ?  Falsifying a logon type certainly should require privilege.   / > (BTW, it is actually later checked for by the > > ACME code that handles the password change).  In the case of< > password change, the logon type can only be defaulted, not: > explicitly specified.  Also, a logon type of zero, which? > is what a detached server process gets when the logon type is  > defaulted, is not permitted. > Therefore, a detached server; > process (application broker in my case) cannot be used to : > change passwords on a user's behalf.  This really stinks= > big time.  Some kind sole in OpenVMS development please fix @ > ACME to permit the logon type to be specified for the password > change function.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 15:59:27 GMT ) From: "Rick Barry" <richard.barry@hp.com> * Subject: Re: ACME password change CATCH-221 Message-ID: <zPmvc.2789$Lf1.525@news.cpqcorp.net>   H I'm not sure if you're talking about the SYS$ACM service or the ACMEUTILI example program, but a couple of things have changed as of OpenVMS 7.3-2:   H     - ACMEUTIL now accepts the /LOGON_TYPE qualifier for change-password  C     - The ACME$_LOGON_TYPE item code for SYS$ACM no longer requires G       IMPERSONATE privilege. However, ACME$K_BATCH and 0 (detached) are K       reserved to LOGINOUT. This item code is used by the VMS ACME agent to C       enforce modal restrictions (time-of-day,day-of-week), whether  prompting isK       appropriate, and for special processing of batch and detached logins.   
 Rick Barry OpenVMS System Software Group  Hewlett-Packard Company 
 Nashua, NH  ' <danco@ns2.pebble.org> wrote in message + news:slrncbqrok.3mh.danco@ns2.pebble.org... D > Please forgive me if this is already "fixed."  I haven't been able% > to try it in V7.3-2 or in V8.2 yet.  > A > The ACME pasword change function does not permit the logon type A > to be specified.  (BTW, it is actually later checked for by the > > ACME code that handles the password change).  In the case of< > password change, the logon type can only be defaulted, not: > explicitly specified.  Also, a logon type of zero, which? > is what a detached server process gets when the logon type is < > defaulted, is not permitted.  Therefore, a detached server; > process (application broker in my case) cannot be used to : > change passwords on a user's behalf.  This really stinks= > big time.  Some kind sole in OpenVMS development please fix @ > ACME to permit the logon type to be specified for the password > change function. >  > - an   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 17:50:00 GMT  From: danco@ns2.pebble.org* Subject: Re: ACME password change CATCH-221 Message-ID: <slrncbs12r.3uk.danco@ns2.pebble.org>   J In article <ZO0I3JhJSE8Q@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Larry Kilgallen wrote:P > In article <slrncbqrok.3mh.danco@ns2.pebble.org>, danco@ns2.pebble.org writes:E >> Please forgive me if this is already "fixed."  I haven't been able & >> to try it in V7.3-2 or in V8.2 yet. >>  B >> The ACME pasword change function does not permit the logon type >> to be specified.  > @ > Even with full privileges ?  Falsifying a logon type certainly > should require privilege.   A Even with ALL privileges turned on.  The logon type is simply not B permitted to be in the SYS$ACM() item list for the password changeA function code.  It even says as much in the documentation and the D code was apparently written to precisely to spec!  Real bummer that.B It is permitted with the authentication function code, so at leastC third party authentication can be done in a detached process.  Some = saving grace there.  And by the way, we would never desire to = "falsify" any authentication operation.  The goal is just the 	 opposite.    - Dan    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 17:26:24 GMT ) From: Alfred Falk <falk@arc.REMOVE.ab.ca> ' Subject: Re: Cluster disk mount problem 9 Message-ID: <Xns94FC7473B8E8Dfalkarcabca@198.161.157.145>   - Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in   news:c9k679$75g$1@lore.csc.com:    > Alfred Falk wrote: >>  " >> norm.raphael@metso.com wrote inA >> news:OF47634706.F4F16DFE-ON85256EA6.0059F72C-85256EA6.005A9BF8  >> @metso.com: >>   > ... . >> >> $ mount /system $250$DIA311: APP_B APP_B4 >> >> $ spawn/nowait set volume/rebuild $250$DIA311: >> >+ >> > Wouldn't that still lock up the disks?  >>   >> Yup.  > C > No it wouldn't I think you're confusing ANAL/DISK/REPAIR with SET 
 > VOL/REBUILD   G Until last Thursday night, I would have agreed.  The evidence seems to  H be otherwise now.  In the article you point to below, is says "most" of  the activity may be blocked.    G > The issue is that if the rebuild is performed at MOUNT time, that the H > MOUNT does not complete until the rebuild is complete (and the disk isC > finally online, and the start up procedure can continue its merry  > way).  > D > There is a SYSGEN parameter, ACP_REBLDSYSD specifically for systemG > disks. There is a good article you can find via ASKQ.COMPAQ.COM, do a  > search for the title:  > ? >  [VMS V5.2/RN] Rebuilding Cluster Disks In Large VAXclusters   > D > Although it discusses VAXclusters and V5.2, the information is allE > still relevant. It describes the problems you see. Another article   > 0 >  [OpenVMS] What Occurs During a Disk Rebuild?  > E > provides much the same information but from a disc centric point of  > view.  > G > Typically our mount procedures use /NOREBUILD and we queue batch jobs * > to perform the rebuilding appropriately.  = This is the way I used to do it always.  However, lately the  ? mount/rebuild seemed fast enough that I didn't bother with the  F /NOREBUILD option for certain disks.  I have now returned to that for 
 all disks.  E Everything seems okay now, but still the rebuild time I was seeing -  3 measured in HOURS - suggests something wrong to me.   & Thanks to all who offered suggestions.   /Alfred  --  @ ----------------------------------------------------------------A   A L B E R T A         Alfred Falk               falk@arc.ab.ca  @ R E S E A R C H         Information Systems Dept   (780)450-5185+   C O U N C I L         250 Karl Clark Road 1                         Edmonton, Alberta, Canada  http://www.arc.ab.ca/   T6N 1E4   http://www.arc.ab.ca/staff/falk/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:21:59 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: datatrieve - Message-ID: <87llj6z2d4.fsf@prep.synonet.com>     briggs@encompasserve.org writes:   > Would some examples help?    > DTR> DEFINE RECORD UAF-RECORD 
 > 01 UAF-REC.  >  05 TYPE USAGE BYTE. >  05 VERSION USAGE BYTE.  >  05 USRDATOFF USAGE WORD.  >  05 USERNAME PIC X(32).  >  ...  D The DTR UAF definitions are in the SIG tape collection somewhere, or several somewheres.   H If you have to do massive UAF overhauls, like in a uni :(, for beginningJ of year, DTR is THE way to go. You can even add code to use the VMS systemJ services to set/change passwords etc. That is about the only extention you would need.   : You can also have collections that span RDB and RMS files.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jun 2004 01:35:52 -0700 . From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk (Martin Kirby)C Subject: Re: DtWsm function to detect occupation of all workspaces? < Message-ID: <224291b.0406020035.76760d72@posting.google.com>  l ultrajoe@spamcop.net (Joe Sewell) wrote in message news:<a55b951e.0405201038.51aa2979@posting.google.com>...H > Is there a routine in CDE 1.2 (DECwindows/Motif 1.3-1) that will let aH > program detect whether it's been set to occupy *all* workspaces (usingC > "Occupy All Workspaces" or DtWsmOccupyAllWorkspaces) vs. manually F > occupying all existing workspaces?  (The difference is an Occupy AllD > Workspaces or equivalent will make the window occupy newly-createdE > workspaces, whereas occupying each workspace that exists does not.)   > There is DtWsmGetWorkspacesOccupied and  DtWsmGetWorkspaceList@ by comparing the number of workspaces you can tell whether it is	 currently F occupying all workspaces but I can't see anyway to tell whether or not, it will occupy a new workspace when created.   Martin Kirby   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:57:50 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) Subject: FOCUS help 1 Message-ID: <04060209575036@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   ! I have two questions about FOCUS.   G 1) Does anyone have user notes in soft-copy that they could send to me?       P 2) You can specify temporary work directories when running FOCUS *.FEX scripts. H This allows you to keep the area clean and keep multiple FOCUS jobs from stepping on each others toes.   @ However, those directories are created as sub-directories in the3 default directory that the process is currently in.   H Is there a way to re-direct the directory creation to an alternate disk?     Thanks for any help!       J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jun 2004 11:14:06 +0100 K From: pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40) " Subject: HP DAT72 DDS5 under 7.2-1! Message-ID: <Ehj$YjdPXbA6@sinead>    Hi all,   N I would like to use a DAT 72e DDS5 (the HP one) under VMS 7.2-1 (to upgrade an old  Digital DDS3).   M I know it is not supported before 7.3 or 7.3-1 but is there a problem to use  $ it without compression under 7.2-1 ?   TIA    Petrick  --O =============================================================================== N pmoreau@ath.cena.fr  (CENA)      ______      ___   _          (Patrick MOREAU)4 moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 17:55:26 GMT - From: hoffman@xdelta.hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) & Subject: Re: HP DAT72 DDS5 under 7.2-11 Message-ID: <iwovc.2805$9o1.575@news.cpqcorp.net>   o In article <Ehj$YjdPXbA6@sinead>, pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40) writes: C :I would like to use a DAT 72e DDS5 (the HP one) under VMS 7.2-1... G :I know it is not supported before 7.3 or 7.3-1 but is there a problem  , :to use it without compression under 7.2-1 ?  H   Try it.  Likely the worst thing that can happen is that it won't work.I   It'll probably be correctly identified, and I'd tend to expect that the I   portions of the device that are compliant with SCSI tape specifications    to work.    E   For related information, see the OpenVMS FAQ section on SCSI device    integration and testing.  G   As usual, please move to a supported release, and please apply all of F   the mandatory ECO kits and the applicable non-mandatory ECO kits for   the OpenVMS release in use.   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:22:47 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> < Subject: HP developer resources for porting from unix to VMS, Message-ID: <5cOdnTT-BKpWbSDdRVn-hw@igs.net>  L We are having discussions with an ISV whose application runs on Weblogic webL server (which runs on VMS). Trouble is, the ISV also has a required piece of code that does not run on VMS.  K Since the ISV is not about to let us look 'under the kimono' at their code, K all I can hope to do is point them to all official and unofficial resources I to help an application developer see the light and learn how to port that  piece of code to OpenVMS.   G HP web links, pointers to documents, SPEC 1173, XPG/4 branding, current C initiative vis-a-vis unix portability, etc... would be appreciated.    Sue, Kerry????   Thanks    L I still think that 'we' should write a book, maybe 25-30 chapters long, withD contributions from those in the OpenVMS community aimed at just such matters.   A suggested title,$ "From Daemons to Detached Processes,1 (The Unix/Linux to OpenVMS Portability Handbook)" # (c) John Smith, All Right Reserved.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:01:20 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> @ Subject: RE: HP developer resources for porting from unix to VMSR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB35620D@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message------ > From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]=20  > Sent: June 2, 2004 11:23 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > > Subject: HP developer resources for porting from unix to VMS >=20A > We are having discussions with an ISV whose application runs=20  > on Weblogic web ? > server (which runs on VMS). Trouble is, the ISV also has a=20  > required piece of   > code that does not run on VMS. >=20A > Since the ISV is not about to let us look 'under the kimono'=20  > at their code,; > all I can hope to do is point them to all official and=20  > unofficial resourcesA > to help an application developer see the light and learn how=20  > to port that > piece of code to OpenVMS.  >=20: > HP web links, pointers to documents, SPEC 1173, XPG/4=20 > branding, current E > initiative vis-a-vis unix portability, etc... would be appreciated.  >=20 > Sue, Kerry???? >=20 > Thanks >=20 >=20= > I still think that 'we' should write a book, maybe 25-30=20  > chapters long, with F > contributions from those in the OpenVMS community aimed at just such
 > matters. >=20 > A suggested title,& > "From Daemons to Detached Processes,3 > (The Unix/Linux to OpenVMS Portability Handbook)" % > (c) John Smith, All Right Reserved.  >=20   John,    A few pointers to get started:B http://h71000.www7.hp.com/portability/ UNIX to OpenVMS PortabilityF http://h71000.www7.hp.com/portability/GNV.html UNIX porting to OpenVMS tools F http://h71000.www7.hp.com/opensource/opensource.html Open Source tools
 on OpenVMSE http://h18012.www1.hp.com/java/download/ovms/1.4.1/sdk1.4.1_down.html  Java 1.4.1-2 kit. = http://h18012.www1.hp.com/java/faq/ovms.html OpenVMS Java FAQ H http://h18012.www1.hp.com/java/documentation/1.4.2/ovms/docs/user_guide. html Java Guide ; http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/ (Freeware V6 and below)    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 19:17:43 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>, Subject: Re: Is my Itanic showing....at all?- Message-ID: <87smdexl7s.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   % "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:   F > Just how bad is the state of the pubescent Itanic? Think of thriving+ > acne with an outside chance of cleansing.   F John, what a terrible uncharitable thing to say. I mean how could you,9 with 6281 units shipped, it is only a TINY bit of acne...    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jun 2004 10:36:01 -0700 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski), Subject: Re: Is my Itanic showing....at all?= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0406020936.26ee538d@posting.google.com>   W "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<U92dnaFADoTYrSDdRVn-jg@igs.net>... ? > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/05/28/itanium_opteron_q104/  > M > ....The latest server data from Gartner shows that only 6,281 Itanium boxes J > and 31,184 Opteron boxes were shipped in the first quarter of this year.N > Together, Itanium and Opteron servers accounted for 37,000 of the 1.6m units > moved in the period.K > Just how bad is the state of the pubescent Itanic? Think of thriving acne & > with an outside chance of cleansing. >  > .....   ; just wait until the alpha teams work kicks in, then I think 2 you will see a drastic change in those numbers ...   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jun 2004 11:52:35 -0600 B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)J Subject: Is VAX/VMS V1.0/V2.0 available for download in SIMH .TAP format ?3 Message-ID: <tpzZJpZJnLtD@eisner.encompasserve.org>   " No, I haven't finally lost it. :-)  G I never ran the early versions of VMS, and I am curious to see how they  differ from today's VMS.  5 As for the legalities, this is for hobbyist use only.    TIA,   Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       P SCO: Proudly pushing Microsoft down to #2 on the list of most disliked companies   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:45:50 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> 2 Subject: RE: Maybe this is good for VMS, maybe notR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB3561CA@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message------ > From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]=20  > Sent: June 1, 2004 6:29 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 0 > Subject: Maybe this is good for VMS, maybe not >=20? > The question is, how will HP handle it's relationship with=20  > BEA and whether @ > that will have negative connotations for the VMS version of=20 > Weblogic, and 1 > whether "on its servers" means OpenVMS as well.  >=20/ > ---------------------------------------------  >=204 > HP Lines Up MySQL, JBoss Alliance In Anti-IBM Move >=20 > (URL: @ > http://www.crn.com/sections/BreakingNews/breakingnews.asp?Arti > cleID=3D50537) >=20   John,   * Both JBOSS and MySQL run on OpenVMS today.  . Big driver for MySQL is cost reductions in IT.  C Oracle Server Enterprise list (on all platforms including Linux)=20 C =3D USD$40K per *cpu*. ($60K per cpu if using cluster RAC software)   $ MySQL is USD$500 per server. Period.  E MySQL does not have all the features and scalability of Rdb or Oracle ? Server, but MySQL promoters like to say they have 70-80% of the D functionality that most database Customers use for a fraction of the	 price.=20      Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 15:18:45 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> 2 Subject: Re: Maybe this is good for VMS, maybe not< Message-ID: <pdmvc.2100$Gz6.1157@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>   Main, Kerry wrote: >>-----Original Message-----+ >>From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]   >>Sent: June 1, 2004 6:29 PM >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 0 >>Subject: Maybe this is good for VMS, maybe not >>= >>The question is, how will HP handle it's relationship with   >>BEA and whether > >>that will have negative connotations for the VMS version of  >>Weblogic, and 1 >>whether "on its servers" means OpenVMS as well.  >>/ >>---------------------------------------------  >>4 >>HP Lines Up MySQL, JBoss Alliance In Anti-IBM Move >> >>(URL: @ >>http://www.crn.com/sections/BreakingNews/breakingnews.asp?Arti >>cleID=50537) >> >  >  > John,  > , > Both JBOSS and MySQL run on OpenVMS today. > 0 > Big driver for MySQL is cost reductions in IT. > C > Oracle Server Enterprise list (on all platforms including Linux)  C > = USD$40K per *cpu*. ($60K per cpu if using cluster RAC software)  > & > MySQL is USD$500 per server. Period. > G > MySQL does not have all the features and scalability of Rdb or Oracle A > Server, but MySQL promoters like to say they have 70-80% of the F > functionality that most database Customers use for a fraction of the	 > price.   >   E I still don't think it is production ready... and I do not believe I  + would trust it as a corporate data store...    M.   > 	 > Regards  >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant  > HP Services Canada > Voice: 613-592-4660  > Fax: 613-591-4477  > Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . > (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)  > & > "OpenVMS has always had integrity ..  > Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .." >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:27:28 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>> Subject: Re: More on Processors from May issues of "PROCESSOR"- Message-ID: <87hdtuz23z.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ; Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> writes:   E > Tejas and Jayhawk are dead, Prescott looks very much like a dud and C > all Intel can show for their new very very expensive 90 nanometer D > process is a hotter, more complex and slower set of units. ImagineD > that Intel has just written of a 1.5 billion dollar investment forE > the 3 CPU's and their 2.5 billion and upwards investment in the FAB 6 > isn't delivering a return as early as they expected.  B > And then they have to fixup a new strategy, getting some designsE > done, goto their ISV's and saying start doing threading because the B > cores are just not going to go on getting faster at the rate you@ > expected and fix the marketing none of which are cheap options	 > either.   E Intel went to IBM to liscence a pile of IBM FAB proscess tricknology. E The balked at IBMs price of cross licences to itanic etc, and are now C having to spend many years getting the heat and leakage out without  tripping over IBMs patents.   D Makes you wonder, they would rather dump P4 et al to keep the lockin grip on the FSBs and itanic...     --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 10:02:38 +0200 2 From: Karl Rohwedder <emil.mustermann@t-online.de>6 Subject: Re: Solaris command output in a VMS symbol...) Message-ID: <c9k1il$j0q4@doiweb4.b2x.vwg>    Shiva MahaDeva wrote: D > Is there any way to put a Solaris command output in a VMS symbol ? >  > H > VMS> CPU:==""rsh/user=schwarz/pass=klaatu sunfire01 "psrinfo | wc -l"" >  > VMS> sh sym CPU  > B > cpu=:=="rsh/user=schwarz/pass=klaatu sunfire01 "psrinfo | wc -l" > J > (I want put sunfire cpu's number in CPU symbol ) -> it must show me "20" >  > Is there any way ? >  > Thanks...   [ $ pipe rsh wzb05.mwb.brg.vw.vwg /us=root uname | ( read sys$pipe test ; ass/job &test test)  $ test = F$trnlnm(test)    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:29:59 +0300- From: "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@digita.fi> 6 Subject: Re: Solaris command output in a VMS symbol...5 Message-ID: <pcgvc.75$4i4.57@reader1.news.jippii.net>   < You can put output to a file and then read that to a symbol:  J $  pipe rsh/user=schwarz/pass=klaatu sunfire01 "psrinfo | wc -l" > cpu.txt $ open/read in cpu.txt
 $ read in cpu 
 $ close in $ delete cpu.txt;*  G Lexicals can be used to format the symbol cpu (to for example integer).    -Kari-  = "Shiva MahaDeva" <contracer11@uol.com.br> kirjoitti viestiss 7 news:ddf392ea.0406012106.6e2c5caf@posting.google.com... D > Is there any way to put a Solaris command output in a VMS symbol ? >  > H > VMS> CPU:==""rsh/user=schwarz/pass=klaatu sunfire01 "psrinfo | wc -l"" >  > VMS> sh sym CPU  > B > cpu=:=="rsh/user=schwarz/pass=klaatu sunfire01 "psrinfo | wc -l" > J > (I want put sunfire cpu's number in CPU symbol ) -> it must show me "20" >  > Is there any way ? >  > Thanks...    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jun 2004 08:31:53 -0700 - From: contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva) 6 Subject: Re: Solaris command output in a VMS symbol...= Message-ID: <ddf392ea.0406020731.7fa173fe@posting.google.com>   C I use VAX/VMS V5.5, and the S.O. doesn't haves PIPE command...  :-(    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 15:46:30 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> 6 Subject: Re: Solaris command output in a VMS symbol...< Message-ID: <qDmvc.2363$rZ5.2205@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com>   Shiva MahaDeva wrote: E > I use VAX/VMS V5.5, and the S.O. doesn't haves PIPE command...  :-(   # about time to upgrade isn't it?? :)    M.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 16:11:08 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> 6 Subject: Re: Solaris command output in a VMS symbol...; Message-ID: <w_mvc.2107$BI6.705@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>    Shiva MahaDeva wrote: D > Is there any way to put a Solaris command output in a VMS symbol ? >  > H > VMS> CPU:==""rsh/user=schwarz/pass=klaatu sunfire01 "psrinfo | wc -l"" >  > VMS> sh sym CPU  > B > cpu=:=="rsh/user=schwarz/pass=klaatu sunfire01 "psrinfo | wc -l" > J > (I want put sunfire cpu's number in CPU symbol ) -> it must show me "20" >  > Is there any way ? >  > Thanks...   D You might need to create a command procedure and define a symbol to H execute it...  although I am not sure I would leave a username password 6 in a command proc so I would do something like this...   $!!begin sunfire.comC $!!   To prevent someone from looking at your buffer and/or looking E $!!   over your shoulder, we will not echo the password to the screen G $!!   Just keep in mind, a good sniffer will be able to extract this...  $set term/noecho& $inquire/nopunct pw "Enter password: " $set term/echo8 $rsh /user=schwarz/pass='pw' sunfire01 "psrinfo | wc -l" $!! end sunfire01.com    cpu :== @<dev>:[<dir>]sunfire    M.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jun 2004 07:11:28 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ( Subject: Re: Storing system files in CMS3 Message-ID: <lggoKE0zOPYy@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <7041fc41.0406020021.79689f78@posting.google.com>, pulley_p@hotmail.com (Phil Pulley) writes:x > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<+sYzVvCiIvc8@eisner.encompasserve.org>...j >> In article <7041fc41.0406010707.cfe30ee@posting.google.com>, pulley_p@hotmail.com (Phil Pulley) writes:  $ >> > ...but it doesn't seem to work. >>  I >>    What error do you get?  When we had someone who insisted in storing H >>    a non-text file in CMS, we quite often got page file quota errors.H >>    It can take a lot of memory to manupulate non-text files with CMS.  G >   %CMS-F-BUG, there is something wrong with CMS or something it calls < >   -CMS-F-SYSFAIL, LIB$GET_VM system service request failed& >   -LIB-F-BADLOADR, bad block address  G The previous guess about inadequate virtual address space seems likely.    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jun 2004 07:24:46 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ( Subject: Re: Storing system files in CMS3 Message-ID: <E693s6DGSnUR@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <7041fc41.0406020021.79689f78@posting.google.com>, pulley_p@hotmail.com (Phil Pulley) writes:  < >   -CMS-F-SYSFAIL, LIB$GET_VM system service request failed  A    If LIB$GET_VM is failing, I'd think you've run out of a memory 6    resource.  You may have to increase VIRTUALPAGECNT.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 12:38:46 -0400 & From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>( Subject: Re: Storing system files in CMS8 Message-ID: <tj0sb0lbjn9b9hd4cvbfjiitsfmb5tmva4@4ax.com>  J On 2 Jun 2004 07:24:46 -0600, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:   i >In article <7041fc41.0406020021.79689f78@posting.google.com>, pulley_p@hotmail.com (Phil Pulley) writes:  > = >>   -CMS-F-SYSFAIL, LIB$GET_VM system service request failed  > B >   If LIB$GET_VM is failing, I'd think you've run out of a memory7 >   resource.  You may have to increase VIRTUALPAGECNT.   P ...and/or the PGFLQUOTA of the account from which you are executing the command.I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot com I Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only) I -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:41:45 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>  Subject: Re: T4 and friends < Message-ID: <JGlvc.3883$x07.3331@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>   David J Dachtera wrote:   > jf.pieronne@laposte.net wrote: >  >>I have put on D >>http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/jfp/t4/t4chart/screenshots/ >>N >>some screen's capture of an early version of a chart tools for T4 data store >>into a MySQL database. >>N >>The database builder/loader is written in Python, the chart program in Java. >>M >>They can run on any system which support Python and Java (VMS :-), Windows,e >>MACOS, linux,...)n >>9 >>If someone wants to play with these tools, let me know.D >  >  > Well, the simpler the better.  > F > One key item to remember: in order to be truly valuable, performanceJ > reporting solutions *MUST* be 100% automated. They *MUST* be able to run4 > in batch, unattended, scheduled by whatever means. > H > Ideally, any such solution should produce ASCII graphs (histograms ala8 > SPM or PSPA), PostScript, etc. at the user's election. >  > D.J.D.   Dave,r  I I am currious why you consider text-based histograms to be so important.  G   As long as there is method for being able to access this data from a oD browser or X-window... why would one care to produce those types of E reports?   I have not been in a character-cell only environment in a  D very long time.  My desktop is a PC, my console is a PC , (that is, H after all, what they are good for :) ) and  I have a web server running = that can get me the data I need when I need it....  T4 is an eG "after-the-fact" tool that is for historical purposes.  It can be made f@ to "give me what has happened up to now" using the technologies E available.  *Web, CSV and PNG*" and if you would care to contract my  + services I can set it up for you as well :)a  F The biggest value will come when you are able to trend over very long H periods of time not just since yesterday.   JF Pieronne and I both have E ways to get this into a database, he is just slightly ahead of me on  G getting it out... :)  --my problem has been that the 4.1.1 version for  D VMS on the 6.0 freeware seems to have a problems... And this is one D problem with opensource.. if you don't know how to fix it, there is ( really no one to call to get it fixed...   a simple query likeA4   select cparam,hour(cdate),avg(cvalue) from t4_data6   where cparam like '%CPU Busy%' group by hour(cdate); on the table node 	varchar(15) 	c cdate 	datetime 	 	a cparam 	varchar(40) 	  cvalue 	int(11) 		  C crashes the server.  I have an older 3.2 MySQL on Linux that works eI though... but I need it to do date() function that does not exist on the g older version.   (data is for only one day)$ CPARAM                 HOUR      AVG [MON.SYST]Cpu Busy 	0 	1.2407  [MON.SYST]Cpu Busy 	1 	1.2373g [MON.SYST]Cpu Busy 	2 	1.3559l [MON.SYST]Cpu Busy 	3 	1.3051d [MON.SYST]Cpu Busy 	4 	1.5167Z [MON.SYST]Cpu Busy 	5 	1.2542e [MON.SYST]Cpu Busy 	6 	1.2542k [MON.SYST]Cpu Busy 	7 	1.2333c [MON.SYST]Cpu Busy 	8 	1.3051a [MON.SYST]Cpu Busy 	9 	1.5593y [MON.SYST]Cpu Busy 	10 	1.2712 [MON.SYST]Cpu Busy 	11 	1.2667 [MON.SYST]Cpu Busy 	12 	1.3559 [MON.SYST]Cpu Busy 	13 	1.7627 [MON.SYST]Cpu Busy 	14 	1.3220 [MON.SYST]Cpu Busy 	15 	1.3051 [MON.SYST]Cpu Busy 	16 	1.2712 [MON.SYST]Cpu Busy 	17 	1.5085 [MON.SYST]Cpu Busy 	18 	1.5333 [MON.SYST]Cpu Busy 	19 	1.4746 [MON.SYST]Cpu Busy 	20 	1.3220 [MON.SYST]Cpu Busy 	21 	1.2833 [MON.SYST]Cpu Busy 	22 	1.3390 [MON.SYST]Cpu Busy 	23 	4.0169   M.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:00:58 -04000 From: "Alan Boyles" <alan.boyles@mindspring.com> Subject: VMS Hobbyist licenses0 Message-ID: <10brjots9i3eca9@corp.supernews.com>  I I am not able to get to montagar.com to refresh my Hobbyist licenses.  Isl5 this still the place to go or have I missed a change?p   Alan   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:45:54 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>-" Subject: RE: VMS Hobbyist licenses9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIAEKFDFAA.tom@kednos.com>c  ? I got a couldn't connect message, so the site is probably down.c     -----Original Message-----7   From: Alan Boyles [mailto:alan.boyles@mindspring.com]i(   Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 6:01 AM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comd    Subject: VMS Hobbyist licenses      K   I am not able to get to montagar.com to refresh my Hobbyist licenses.  IsO7   this still the place to go or have I missed a change?       Alan         ---v(   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A   Version: 6.0.680 / Virus Database: 442 - Release Date: 5/9/2004w    ---t& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.680 / Virus Database: 442 - Release Date: 5/9/2004n   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 08:00:34 +0200.* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> Subject: Re: Welcome FujitSUN.* Message-ID: <2i58o3Fj7aq8U1@uni-berlin.de>   Karsten Nyblad wrote: = > "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message 9 > news:f30679fb.0406011721.315076f3@posting.google.com...r > I >>http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/2004-06/sunflash.20040601.14.htmls >  > N > In the old days there was a UK computer company called ICL.  It did not haveM > the money to develop its own CPUs, so it started buying Fujitsi.  Later, itoI > got in even more trouble, and because of ICL buying Fujitsi, ICL had no M > choice but to let Fujitsi buy ICL.  It seems like the links www.icl.com andsK > www.icl.co.uk are not working, at least when I tried this morning.  Try aV7 > search on Google for Fujitsi and ICL.  Very few hits.p >o  4 The few ICL hsitory links I can find are broken too.  E But here's a timeline of their involvment with Fujitsu, with Fujitsu 00 taking an 80% stake in them as far back as 1990.  + http://www.iclafrica.com/about/history.htmlc  I > I hope for SUN that McNeally has been reading every single comma in theeK > contract, or SUN will be the next company eaten by Fujitsi.  I wonder howl > Andrew will spin this. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 19:21:11 +0800l, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: Welcome FujitSUNf- Message-ID: <87oeo2xl20.fsf@prep.synonet.com>e  - young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:F    I can think of two good reasons.  F >> I wonder what the odds Ladbrokes or the bookies in Vegas would give< >> on the Sun/Fujitsu partnership being more successful than
 >> HP/Itanic?s  K The first is that Sun and Fujitsu have been working together for years, and A Fujitsu Sparcs have a good showing in the super computer top 500.a  ; > 	Not much.  Sun/Fujitsu deal is to save money.  Market ist> > 	shrinking for them, wisdom dictates they combine forces and > 	slash appropriately.e  - The other, is that Rob says they will fail...    (OK, 3 then) -- n< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jun 2004 04:46:30 -0700s. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) Subject: Re: Welcome FujitSUNF< Message-ID: <f30679fb.0406020346.2f80efd@posting.google.com>  \ Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in message news:<2i58o3Fj7aq8U1@uni-berlin.de>... > Karsten Nyblad wrote:s? > > "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message ; > > news:f30679fb.0406011721.315076f3@posting.google.com...s > > K > >>http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/2004-06/sunflash.20040601.14.html  > >  > > P > > In the old days there was a UK computer company called ICL.  It did not haveO > > the money to develop its own CPUs, so it started buying Fujitsi.  Later, itmK > > got in even more trouble, and because of ICL buying Fujitsi, ICL had nohO > > choice but to let Fujitsi buy ICL.  It seems like the links www.icl.com andaM > > www.icl.co.uk are not working, at least when I tried this morning.  Try ae9 > > search on Google for Fujitsi and ICL.  Very few hits.t > >  > 6 > The few ICL hsitory links I can find are broken too. > G > But here's a timeline of their involvment with Fujitsu, with Fujitsu  2 > taking an 80% stake in them as far back as 1990. > - > http://www.iclafrica.com/about/history.htmlc > K > > I hope for SUN that McNeally has been reading every single comma in the M > > contract, or SUN will be the next company eaten by Fujitsi.  I wonder howE > > Andrew will spin this.  J Yes ! The new technological Axis German-Japan-USA  (Siemens-Fujitsu-Sun)! E I allways tought that Sun would be acquired by IBM. Not because theiraF hardware but because SunSoft (Java, SunONE, etc....). But I am readingE in the news that Fujitsu sparc servers are becoming faster and betterbG than Suns. I dont know nothing about the price/cost of Fujitsu serverss in comparison to Sun Servers.s  . At least the "sun" still brighting in Japan !    REgards-   FC - > >-   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:48:18 +0200: From: "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski.spamstop@hotmail.com>* Subject: [HW] Looking for a DLT 7000 drive/ Message-ID: <c9k4ba$sr1$1@atlantis.news.tpi.pl>    Hi, K Perhaps some of you has an unused DLT 7000 drive. If so, I'd like to buy it/ for a reasonable price./   T. D.-  . PS. Sorry for spamming, if you consider it so.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 07:01:21 -0700:+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>p. Subject: Re: [HW] Looking for a DLT 7000 drive' Message-ID: <40BDDDB1.9020303@MMaz.com>T   Tomasz Dryjanski wrote:    >Hi,L >Perhaps some of you has an unused DLT 7000 drive. If so, I'd like to buy it >for a reasonable price. >P >  3 > G First suggestion is just to go to eBay and enter DLT 7000, you'll have eG about two pages of potential products to pick from.  If you want a new lI or refurb, then try the existing used market businesses like Great Lakes   Computers...     Barryy   -- e  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:57:16 +0200: From: "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski.spamstop@hotmail.com>. Subject: Re: [HW] Looking for a DLT 7000 drive/ Message-ID: <c9kpv3$ijm$1@atlantis.news.tpi.pl>t  K > >Perhaps some of you has an unused DLT 7000 drive. If so, I'd like to buy- it > >for a reasonable price. > >  > >  > >mH > First suggestion is just to go to eBay and enter DLT 7000, you'll haveH > about two pages of potential products to pick from.  If you want a newJ > or refurb, then try the existing used market businesses like Great Lakes > Computers...  * Thanks for your answer. I'll try this way.  	 Regards -a T. D.e   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.305 ************************