1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 03 Jun 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 306       Contents:! Re: ACME password change CATCH-22  Re: datatrieve9 DCL enhancement - REQUEST/REPLY - how to capture a value. = Re: DCL enhancement - REQUEST/REPLY - how to capture a value. = Re: DCL enhancement - REQUEST/REPLY - how to capture a value.  Re: FOCUS help FS: AlphaServer DS10L systems 7 Re: HP developer resources for porting from unix to VMS 7 Re: HP developer resources for porting from unix to VMS 7 RE: HP developer resources for porting from unix to VMS @ Re: INQUIRE (was: Re: Solaris command output in a VMS symbol...)# Re: Is my Itanic showing....at all? # Re: Is my Itanic showing....at all? E Re: Is VAX/VMS V1.0/V2.0 available for download in SIMH .TAP format ? E Re: Is VAX/VMS V1.0/V2.0 available for download in SIMH .TAP format ? E Re: Is VAX/VMS V1.0/V2.0 available for download in SIMH .TAP format ? E Re: Is VAX/VMS V1.0/V2.0 available for download in SIMH .TAP format ?   Re: LAT & Hobbiest VMS questions5 Re: More on Processors from May issues of "PROCESSOR" - Re: Solaris command output in a VMS symbol... - Re: Solaris command output in a VMS symbol... - Re: Solaris command output in a VMS symbol... - Re: Solaris command output in a VMS symbol...  Re: Storing system files in CMS  Re: Storing system files in CMS  Re: Storing system files in CMS  Re: Storing system files in CMS  Re: Storing system files in CMS  Re: T4 and friends Re: VMS Hobbyist licenses  Re: VMS Hobbyist licenses  Re: Welcome FujitSUN% Re: [HW] Looking for a DLT 7000 drive   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:03:24 GMT  From: danco@ns2.pebble.org* Subject: Re: ACME password change CATCH-221 Message-ID: <slrncbs1ru.3uk.danco@ns2.pebble.org>   C In article <zPmvc.2789$Lf1.525@news.cpqcorp.net>, Rick Barry wrote:   J > I'm not sure if you're talking about the SYS$ACM service or the ACMEUTIL > example program...  K The SYS$ACM() system service.  (ACMEUTIL is a nifty example as examples go,  but that's all it is.)  B > However, ACME$K_BATCH and 0 (detached) are reserved to LOGINOUT.  : And I can live with those wholly appropriate reservations.  G What I can't live with is the service imposing those reservations while J at the same time not providing any way to set the logon type in a passwordH change operation and then returning a nasty error when it finds that theJ logon type was defaulted to 0 (detached) -- precisely because it would not let me set it.  G Rick, any chance you could enhance (or "fix" by my way of thinking) the G password change function code processing to permit the login type to be E specified for appropriately privileged callers?  Without that change, E suitably privileged detached server processes cannot use SYS$ACM() to D perform password change requests on behalf of third parties.  And (I think) that really stinks.   - Dan    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:48:59 +0200 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com>  Subject: Re: datatrieve * Message-ID: <2i6piiFk14klU1@uni-berlin.de>  ( On 2004-05-30 21:33, "Paul Sture" wrote:   > [...]  > I > Oh, LOL Jan-Erik. Not only was it heavily overlayed in RSX, but, well,  B > this is the best description I have come across about it on VMS. > C > =================================================================  > 7 >              A Day in the Life of the Image Activator  > ; >          as recounted to Stanley Rabinowitz on 7-Jan-1985  >  > [...]    It's available on the web too:  R <http://h50146.www5.hp.com/products/software/oe/openvms/fanclub/lite/imageact.txt>   Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jun 2004 13:08:59 -0700 * From: denny.rich@swagelok.com (Denny Rich)B Subject: DCL enhancement - REQUEST/REPLY - how to capture a value.< Message-ID: <d28306e.0406021208.7d6883e8@posting.google.com>  B OVMS Alpha, V7.3-1: I have observed the SLS backup manager (V2.9F)F issuing requests to the tape operator, and in some cases, soliciting a@ reply value.  In particular, when SLS wants to know if it shouldE "redo" a backup that has already run today, it offers "REDO, SKIP, or  QUIT" as some of the options.   F SLS appears to be running SLS$SYSTEM:SLS$REQUEST, which probably knowsA how to pick up the answer when I reply: "$  reply/to=1234 REDO ".   F This is an emminently useful tool, but I can't find any way to do this that is documented.   F Could this be like the checksum command? where the answer appears in a symbol?   D If there is not now a way to do this, and if a DCL wizard found some> free time on his/her hands, it would be a great thing to have.   Thanks   denny    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:13:08 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) F Subject: Re: DCL enhancement - REQUEST/REPLY - how to capture a value.2 Message-ID: <Eprvc.2828$cC1.2537@news.cpqcorp.net>  i In article <d28306e.0406021208.7d6883e8@posting.google.com>, denny.rich@swagelok.com (Denny Rich) writes: H :...issuing requests to the tape operator, and in some cases, solicitingC :a reply value.  In particular, when SLS wants to know if it should F :"redo" a backup that has already run today, it offers "REDO, SKIP, or :QUIT" as some of the options.  A   BACKUP has offered similar operator-provided input capabilities    for eons, as well.  G :This is an emminently useful tool, but I can't find any way to do this  :that is documented.  E   From DCL, there is no mechanism for this -- REQUEST/REPLY does not  D   serve up the response via a DCL symbol, for instance.  From withinE   an application, this mechanism is fully documented, see the $sndopr +   system service documentation for details.   E :If there is not now a way to do this, and if a DCL wizard found some ? :free time on his/her hands, it would be a great thing to have.   H   Consider coding up a trivial application image that calls $sndopr and D   lib$set_symbol, and a few other services.  You have what you want,'   and using only documented interfaces.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:44:21 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>F Subject: Re: DCL enhancement - REQUEST/REPLY - how to capture a value.+ Message-ID: <40BE9085.6F793B22@comcast.net>    Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > k > In article <d28306e.0406021208.7d6883e8@posting.google.com>, denny.rich@swagelok.com (Denny Rich) writes: J > :...issuing requests to the tape operator, and in some cases, solicitingE > :a reply value.  In particular, when SLS wants to know if it should H > :"redo" a backup that has already run today, it offers "REDO, SKIP, or  > :QUIT" as some of the options. > C >   BACKUP has offered similar operator-provided input capabilities  >   for eons, as well.  E True, but REQUEST/REPLY=SYMBOL=symbol_name seems to be yet another of 2 those oh-so-useful features that Digital forgot...  I > :This is an emminently useful tool, but I can't find any way to do this  > :that is documented. > F >   From DCL, there is no mechanism for this -- REQUEST/REPLY does notF >   serve up the response via a DCL symbol, for instance.  From withinG >   an application, this mechanism is fully documented, see the $sndopr - >   system service documentation for details.   C I seem to recall playing with that at one time some years ago using E output redirection, possibly using SPAWN/OUTPUT to enforce my will on  the recalcitrant system.  A That would use services which are entirely supported, even if the  operation itself is not.  G > :If there is not now a way to do this, and if a DCL wizard found some A > :free time on his/her hands, it would be a great thing to have.  > I >   Consider coding up a trivial application image that calls $sndopr and F >   lib$set_symbol, and a few other services.  You have what you want,) >   and using only documented interfaces.   6 Here's what VERB had to say about the REQUEST command:   DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ vers ' Alpha V7.2-2   (AlphaStation 200 4/233)  DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ verb request  define verb REQUEST     image REQUEST    parameter P1, prompt="Text"    qualifier REPLY    qualifier TO        value (required,list)    I suppose you could try to:    $ DEFINE REQUEST SLS$REQUEST $ REQUEST/REPLY "Yes?"  F ...and see what happens. I don't have access to the SLS images here at$ home, so I can't hack that just now.  F Actually I'm guessing that SLS$REQUEST may have been written speciallyG to allow the output stream to be a mailbox so the results could be read > from another process as input to another SLS program. Dunno...  0 PIPE is kinda broken in V7.2-2, but this worked:  C DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ pipe req/reply "yes?" | (read sys$pipe p9 ; read  sys$pipe p9 ' ; write sys$output p9 ; show symbol p9)  %OPCOM-S-OPREPLY,  NO> 21:58:54.46, request 4 was completed by operator _DJAS01$OPA0:  G   P9 = "%OPCOM-S-OPREPLY, ..NO..21:58:54.46, request 4 was completed by  operator  _DJAS01$OPA0:."  A Note that the seemingly three line output is returned in a single - string. The response could be isolated using:    $ cr[0,8]=13 $ lf[0,8]=10@ $ pipe req/reply "yes?" | (read sys$pipe p9 ; read sys$pipe p9 ; define/job resp &p9); $ resp = F$elem( 0, cr, f$elem( 1, lf, f$trnlnm( resp ) ) )    D.J.D.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jun 2004 12:53:36 -0700 0 From: keith.cayemberg@arcor.de (Keith Cayemberg) Subject: Re: FOCUS help = Message-ID: <f64e50ca.0406021153.7747d3fd@posting.google.com>   a brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) wrote in message news:<04060209575036@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>... # > I have two questions about FOCUS.  > I > 1) Does anyone have user notes in soft-copy that they could send to me?  >  >  > R > 2) You can specify temporary work directories when running FOCUS *.FEX scripts. J > This allows you to keep the area clean and keep multiple FOCUS jobs from > stepping on each others toes.  > B > However, those directories are created as sub-directories in the5 > default directory that the process is currently in.  > J > Is there a way to re-direct the directory creation to an alternate disk? >  >  > Thanks for any help! >  >   @ I don't have any experience with IB-FOCUS, but I am aware of the- following potentially helpful links at ITD...   ( http://www.mtsu.edu/~oitadmin/focus.html. http://www.mtsu.edu/~oitadmin/intro_focus.html+ http://www.mtsu.edu/~oitadmin/focus_wp.html    Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg . IBM Business Services GmbH - Hannover, Germany$ http://www-5.ibm.com/services/de/bs/           >  > J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  > VMS Systems Administrator , > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 19:57:12 -0500 / From: Clay M. Denton <denton@orison.dsserv.com> & Subject: FS: AlphaServer DS10L systems8 Message-ID: <citsb0pndefkqtbukn855qpqnl046eljse@4ax.com>  U I see occasional interest in SCSI based DS10L Hobbyist systems - thought I'd make the  following available:   DS10L 5/466  256MB memory KZPBA-CA USCSI controller < 18GB 7.2k rpm internal disk with all cabling, brackets, etc.S You can still use the external connector to connect up 1 or 2 (using trilink) BA356 " shelves for drives, tape, CD, etc.S does not include CD/Floppy combo drive - I've loaded these by opening the cover and Y plugging in a cheap PC IDE CD-ROM drive to do firmware updates, initial system load, etc.   3 $650/each including shipping to lower 48 US address ' will offer 30 day warranty with systems " I can build 2 systems as described   Clay Denton    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:38:30 -04005 From: "Brad McCusker" <brad.mccuskerNosp@Mcompaq.com> @ Subject: Re: HP developer resources for porting from unix to VMS0 Message-ID: <10bslnctb1kh495@corp.supernews.com>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message& news:5cOdnTT-BKpWbSDdRVn-hw@igs.net... >  <snip> > G > Since the ISV is not about to let us look 'under the kimono' at their  code, C > all I can hope to do is point them to all official and unofficial 	 resources K > to help an application developer see the light and learn how to port that  > piece of code to OpenVMS.   L Feel free to point them at me.  We have worked with a number of ISVs in thisK very situation - help ranging from answering questions to actually bringing K them into our labs.  All depends on the business case and depending on what K they need, I can point them at the right business people.  Or, I can simply  answer questions.    > I > HP web links, pointers to documents, SPEC 1173, XPG/4 branding, current E > initiative vis-a-vis unix portability, etc... would be appreciated.  >   L Kerry gave you a bunch, I have more that I can't get to at the moment.  I'll# try to remember to post some later.    >  > I > I still think that 'we' should write a book, maybe 25-30 chapters long,  withF > contributions from those in the OpenVMS community aimed at just such
 > matters. >  > A suggested title,& > "From Daemons to Detached Processes,3 > (The Unix/Linux to OpenVMS Portability Handbook)" % > (c) John Smith, All Right Reserved.  >   I We have repeatedly acknowledged that we need such a book.  Unfortunately, K there is no resource to write it.  Anyone want to step up and author such a J book, I'd be glad to help.  A lot of this information exists, it is just a< matter of collecting it, and transforming it into book form.   And, I like the title.  
 Brad McCusker  OpenVMS Engineering    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:27:48 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> @ Subject: Re: HP developer resources for porting from unix to VMS, Message-ID: <t5Odncr0pe3k_yPdRVn-tw@igs.net>  @ "Brad McCusker" <brad.mccuskerNosp@Mcompaq.com> wrote in message* news:10bslnctb1kh495@corp.supernews.com... > 0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message( > news:5cOdnTT-BKpWbSDdRVn-hw@igs.net... > >  > <snip> > > I > > Since the ISV is not about to let us look 'under the kimono' at their  > code, E > > all I can hope to do is point them to all official and unofficial  > resources H > > to help an application developer see the light and learn how to port that > > piece of code to OpenVMS.  > I > Feel free to point them at me.  We have worked with a number of ISVs in  thisD > very situation - help ranging from answering questions to actually bringingH > them into our labs.  All depends on the business case and depending on whatF > they need, I can point them at the right business people.  Or, I can simply > answer questions.  >  > > K > > HP web links, pointers to documents, SPEC 1173, XPG/4 branding, current G > > initiative vis-a-vis unix portability, etc... would be appreciated.  > >  > H > Kerry gave you a bunch, I have more that I can't get to at the moment. I'll% > try to remember to post some later.  >  > >  > > K > > I still think that 'we' should write a book, maybe 25-30 chapters long,  > withH > > contributions from those in the OpenVMS community aimed at just such > > matters. > >  > > A suggested title,( > > "From Daemons to Detached Processes,5 > > (The Unix/Linux to OpenVMS Portability Handbook)" ' > > (c) John Smith, All Right Reserved.  > >  > K > We have repeatedly acknowledged that we need such a book.  Unfortunately, K > there is no resource to write it.  Anyone want to step up and author such  a L > book, I'd be glad to help.  A lot of this information exists, it is just a> > matter of collecting it, and transforming it into book form. >  > And, I like the title.     Thanks Kerry/Brad.  ) I appreciate the resources and the offer.   E The ISV we are discussing this with is a document management/workflow K vendor, of which there are few VMS solutions available. They have something K in the order of 6,000 major enterprise installs (or so they say), plus lots K of smaller businesses. We like the idea that they support Weblogic as it at 6 least gets us part way to a desirable solution on VMS.      L Another interesting potential solution we've been looking at possibly taking8 a stab at porting ourselves is at http://www.dspace.org/  F Notice that HP had more than a helping hand in this but apparently did? absolutely zero, nada, nil, nichts about making it OpenVMS-able  out-of-the-box..   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:24:20 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> @ Subject: RE: HP developer resources for porting from unix to VMSR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB356265@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message------ > From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]=20  > Sent: June 2, 2004 7:28 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com B > Subject: Re: HP developer resources for porting from unix to VMS >=20 >=20 [snip..]   >=20 >=20 > Thanks Kerry/Brad. >=20+ > I appreciate the resources and the offer.  >=20G > The ISV we are discussing this with is a document management/workflow A > vendor, of which there are few VMS solutions available. They=20  > have something@ > in the order of 6,000 major enterprise installs (or so they=20 > say), plus lots > > of smaller businesses. We like the idea that they support=20 > Weblogic as it at 8 > least gets us part way to a desirable solution on VMS. >=20 >=20 >=20A > Another interesting potential solution we've been looking at=20  > possibly taking : > a stab at porting ourselves is at http://www.dspace.org/ >=20H > Notice that HP had more than a helping hand in this but apparently didA > absolutely zero, nada, nil, nichts about making it OpenVMS-able  > out-of-the-box.. >=20 >=20  . John - re: document mgmt solutions on OpenVMS.  5 Here is older email from Keith Cayemberg that I kept:    +++   H Here is a list of commercial Document Management Systems known to run on  
 OpenVMS...   Datalogics - DL Pager # http://www.datalogics.com/pager.asp    Redwood - OutRun* http://www.redwood.com/products/outrun.htm   Sec 1.01 - Paradocs * http://www.sec101.ch/deutsch/paradocs.html0 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/sec/index.htm  - Swiftbase International > Document Management 8 http://www.swiftbase.com/applications2/document_mgr.html  : TIM -- Enterprise Content-Management- und Redaktionssystem http://www.fct.de/  & Touch Technologies, Inc. - DECdocument& http://www.ttinet.com/decdocument.html  + VTX - SP6405PF.PDF (application/pdf Object) 2 http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP6405/SP6405PF.PDF   Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg # IBM Business Services - Hannover=20    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:57:31 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) I Subject: Re: INQUIRE (was: Re: Solaris command output in a VMS symbol...) 2 Message-ID: <f3svc.2830$jF1.1004@news.cpqcorp.net>  o In article <Vervc.3989$NZ.2610@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes:  :labadie wrote: " :> inquire is not a good idea IMHO" :> read/prompt has many advantages : 4 :true, but for simple stuff inquire does the job....  9   Does it?  (And I mean that seriously, not facetiously.)   E   INQUIRE is a strange, mysterious and powerful command, and one that F   should generally be avoided -- unless you really need something thatF   INQUIRE provides and READ/PROMPT does not, and you are also willing E   to accept the other baggage (the RECALL buffer) and the limitations >   (security restrictions) that INQUIRE also provides, that is.  D   OpenVMS has gone so far as to entirely lock out use of the INQUIREE   command in certain processing environments -- this because too many G   folks did not realize the true capabilities and the risks of INQUIRE.   0   I cover this in the DCL programming book, BTW.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 11:13:26 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> , Subject: Re: Is my Itanic showing....at all?' Message-ID: <40BE18C6.9060602@MMaz.com>    Bob Ceculski wrote:   X >"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<U92dnaFADoTYrSDdRVn-jg@igs.net>... >    > ? >>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/05/28/itanium_opteron_q104/  >>M >>....The latest server data from Gartner shows that only 6,281 Itanium boxes J >>and 31,184 Opteron boxes were shipped in the first quarter of this year.N >>Together, Itanium and Opteron servers accounted for 37,000 of the 1.6m units >>moved in the period.K >>Just how bad is the state of the pubescent Itanic? Think of thriving acne & >>with an outside chance of cleansing. >> >>.....  >>     >> > < >just wait until the alpha teams work kicks in, then I think3 >you will see a drastic change in those numbers ...  >    > G I didn't know that the Alpha team had been acquired by AMD, smart move   for AMD ;-)    Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:10:03 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>, Subject: Re: Is my Itanic showing....at all?+ Message-ID: <40BE887B.47D57679@comcast.net>    Bob Ceculski wrote:  > Y > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<U92dnaFADoTYrSDdRVn-jg@igs.net>... A > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/05/28/itanium_opteron_q104/  > > O > > ....The latest server data from Gartner shows that only 6,281 Itanium boxes L > > and 31,184 Opteron boxes were shipped in the first quarter of this year.P > > Together, Itanium and Opteron servers accounted for 37,000 of the 1.6m units > > moved in the period.M > > Just how bad is the state of the pubescent Itanic? Think of thriving acne ( > > with an outside chance of cleansing. > > 	 > > .....  > = > just wait until the alpha teams work kicks in, then I think 4 > you will see a drastic change in those numbers ...  - Not without (need I say it?) - MARKETING !!!!    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:50:30 -0400# From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov> N Subject: Re: Is VAX/VMS V1.0/V2.0 available for download in SIMH .TAP format ?: Message-ID: <000701c448ca$18f96e10$4a3b0681@sdct.nist.gov>   > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Clubley 8 > [mailto:clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP] ( > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 1:53 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ? > Subject: Is VAX/VMS V1.0/V2.0 available for download in SIMH   > .TAP format ?  >  > $ > No, I haven't finally lost it. :-) > < > I never ran the early versions of VMS, and I am curious to' > see how they differ from today's VMS.  > 7 > As for the legalities, this is for hobbyist use only.  >  > TIA, >  > Simon. >  > --  D > Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       ? > SCO: Proudly pushing Microsoft down to #2 on the list of most  > disliked companies >  >   H V1 was not very stable - lots of BUGCHECKS, V2 was quite a bit better. IH have a V1 source kit (BB-H155A-SE) on magtape if you really have lost it ;-)    Dan    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:25:01 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>N Subject: Re: Is VAX/VMS V1.0/V2.0 available for download in SIMH .TAP format ?+ Message-ID: <40BE8BFD.E0821619@comcast.net>    Simon Clubley wrote: > $ > No, I haven't finally lost it. :-) > I > I never ran the early versions of VMS, and I am curious to see how they  > differ from today's VMS. > 7 > As for the legalities, this is for hobbyist use only.   E I think SIMH emulates a VAX model that the early version would likely  not support.  ' Be interesting to try, though I s'pose.    D.J.D.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:48:42 -0500( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>N Subject: Re: Is VAX/VMS V1.0/V2.0 available for download in SIMH .TAP format ?/ Message-ID: <00A32C7C.37800051.1@tachysoft.com>   C >From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)  >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsK >Subject: Is VAX/VMS V1.0/V2.0 available for download in SIMH .TAP format ?   >Date: 2 Jun 2004 11:52:35 -0600 >Organization: Encompasserve
 >Lines: 144 >Message-ID: <tpzZJpZJnLtD@eisner.encompasserve.org> > # >No, I haven't finally lost it. :-)  > H >I never ran the early versions of VMS, and I am curious to see how they >differ from today's VMS.  > 6 >As for the legalities, this is for hobbyist use only. >   O Does simh support pdp compatibility mode?  The very early versions of vms had a N lot of system utilities that ran in compatibility mode rather than native vax.O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== P Larry(sniffing):"I smell something awful." Moe:"Yeah, well don't brag about it."   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jun 2004 04:12:59 GMT  From: healyzh@aracnet.com N Subject: Re: Is VAX/VMS V1.0/V2.0 available for download in SIMH .TAP format ?, Message-ID: <c9m8gb030o8@enews3.newsguy.com>  3 David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote: G > I think SIMH emulates a VAX model that the early version would likely  > not support.  ) > Be interesting to try, though I s'pose.   J Good point!  It emulates a KA650 I believe.  Still I for one would like toF see the tapes of the early versions made available to hobbyists as TPCK images for several reasons (the Hobbyist license covers all versions).  One I reason is that there are people out there with the HARDWARE that will run K these versions (thankfully/unfortunately I'm not one of them), also, if the K software is available the odds of SIMH or another emulator supporting those B early versions increases significantly, and finally becuase it's a- historical document that should be preserved.    		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 19:50:41 -0500 / From: Clay M. Denton <denton@orison.dsserv.com> ) Subject: Re: LAT & Hobbiest VMS questions 8 Message-ID: <tdtsb0hvudk8lns86r9j6eaavoeh2bh04f@4ax.com>  Z Take a look at your interactive login count - if set to 0, then LAT service rating will go to 0.    $ set login    Clay  J On Wed, 19 May 2004 15:15:21 -0500, Neil Cherry <njc@wolfgang.uucp> wrote:  2 >On 19 May 2004 12:32:43 -0600, Bob Koehler wrote:Y >> In article <slrncamufr.rb1.njc@wolfgang.uucp>, Neil Cherry <njc@wolfgang.uucp> writes: J >>> Does Hobbiest VMS allow LAT? I've tried starting up LAT on my 3100 and >>> I get errors.  >>> 1 >>> %SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device available  >>> B >>> I get that 4 times (btw, I have DECNet IV running). Any ideas? >>  @ >>    I would think you've missed some step in starting LAT.  It' >>    runs fine on my hobbyist systems.  >>  > >>    Are you running sys$startup:lat$startup.com during boot? >>  > >>    Did you put your setup in sys$startup:lat$systartup.com? > F >I was missing that but now I have a rating of 0 so I have no idea how >to take care of that.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jun 2004 12:45:58 -0700 ' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson) > Subject: Re: More on Processors from May issues of "PROCESSOR"= Message-ID: <734da31c.0406021145.23faeb00@posting.google.com>   a Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message news:<87hdtuz23z.fsf@prep.synonet.com>... = > Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> writes:  > G > > Tejas and Jayhawk are dead, Prescott looks very much like a dud and E > > all Intel can show for their new very very expensive 90 nanometer F > > process is a hotter, more complex and slower set of units. ImagineF > > that Intel has just written of a 1.5 billion dollar investment forG > > the 3 CPU's and their 2.5 billion and upwards investment in the FAB 8 > > isn't delivering a return as early as they expected. >   D > > And then they have to fixup a new strategy, getting some designsG > > done, goto their ISV's and saying start doing threading because the D > > cores are just not going to go on getting faster at the rate youB > > expected and fix the marketing none of which are cheap options > > either.  > G > Intel went to IBM to liscence a pile of IBM FAB proscess tricknology. G > The balked at IBMs price of cross licences to itanic etc, and are now E > having to spend many years getting the heat and leakage out without  > tripping over IBMs patents.   D Looks like Intel is not alone on 90nm problems.  IBM is having largeF yield problems on 90nm and AMDs 90nm CPUs will draw 104W. Intel on theD other hand has a killer in Pentium M, no one is near the performance of Pentium M at 21W.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jun 2004 13:07:27 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 6 Subject: Re: Solaris command output in a VMS symbol...3 Message-ID: <dwu9q8HsLAPh@eisner.encompasserve.org>   m In article <ddf392ea.0406020731.7fa173fe@posting.google.com>, contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva) writes: E > I use VAX/VMS V5.5, and the S.O. doesn't haves PIPE command...  :-(   F    Get one.  You can find a PIPE implementation that will run on older:    version if you start with the list of sites in the FAQ.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:54:39 +0200 " From: labadie <labadie_g@decus.fr>6 Subject: Re: Solaris command output in a VMS symbol...2 Message-ID: <c9lbpb$h3q$1@news-reader5.wanadoo.fr>   Michael Austin a crit : > Shiva MahaDeva wrote:  > E >> Is there any way to put a Solaris command output in a VMS symbol ?  >> >>I >> VMS> CPU:==""rsh/user=schwarz/pass=klaatu sunfire01 "psrinfo | wc -l""  >> >> VMS> sh sym CPU >>C >> cpu=:=="rsh/user=schwarz/pass=klaatu sunfire01 "psrinfo | wc -l"  >>K >> (I want put sunfire cpu's number in CPU symbol ) -> it must show me "20"  >> >> Is there any way ?  >> >> Thanks... >  > F > You might need to create a command procedure and define a symbol to J > execute it...  although I am not sure I would leave a username password 8 > in a command proc so I would do something like this... >  > $!!begin sunfire.comE > $!!   To prevent someone from looking at your buffer and/or looking G > $!!   over your shoulder, we will not echo the password to the screen I > $!!   Just keep in mind, a good sniffer will be able to extract this...  > $set term/noecho( > $inquire/nopunct pw "Enter password: "   inquire is not a good idea IMHO  read/prompt has many advantages    Regards    Gerard   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:01:41 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> 6 Subject: Re: Solaris command output in a VMS symbol...; Message-ID: <Vervc.3989$NZ.2610@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>    labadie wrote: > Michael Austin a crit : >  >> Shiva MahaDeva wrote: >>F >>> Is there any way to put a Solaris command output in a VMS symbol ? >>>  >>> J >>> VMS> CPU:==""rsh/user=schwarz/pass=klaatu sunfire01 "psrinfo | wc -l"" >>>  >>> VMS> sh sym CPU  >>> D >>> cpu=:=="rsh/user=schwarz/pass=klaatu sunfire01 "psrinfo | wc -l" >>> L >>> (I want put sunfire cpu's number in CPU symbol ) -> it must show me "20" >>>  >>> Is there any way ? >>> 
 >>> Thanks...  >> >> >>G >> You might need to create a command procedure and define a symbol to  B >> execute it...  although I am not sure I would leave a username B >> password in a command proc so I would do something like this... >> >> $!!begin sunfire.com F >> $!!   To prevent someone from looking at your buffer and/or lookingH >> $!!   over your shoulder, we will not echo the password to the screenJ >> $!!   Just keep in mind, a good sniffer will be able to extract this... >> $set term/noecho ) >> $inquire/nopunct pw "Enter password: "  >  > ! > inquire is not a good idea IMHO ! > read/prompt has many advantagesJ > 	 > Regards2 >  > Gerard  3 true, but for simple stuff inquire does the job....    M.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 04:36:57 +0200C2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)6 Subject: Re: Solaris command output in a VMS symbol...; Message-ID: <40be8ec9.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   . Shiva MahaDeva (contracer11@uol.com.br) wrote:E > I use VAX/VMS V5.5, and the S.O. doesn't haves PIPE command...  :-(P  ? Output redirection can be accomplished without the PIPE commandsA by re-defining SYS$OUTPUT to the file name (possibly with /USER).s- So Kari's suggestion should also work on 5.5..   cu,    Martin -- S>                     | Martin Vorlaender    |    OpenVMS rules!-   Smiert Spamionem  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deM@                     |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/4                     | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jun 2004 14:33:57 -0700t- From: soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume) ( Subject: Re: Storing system files in CMS= Message-ID: <f401eb7f.0406021333.26557e14@posting.google.com>.  m "Brad McCusker" <brad.mccuskerNosp@Mcompaq.com> wrote in message news:<10bqg569ek25h76@corp.supernews.com>...y7 > "Phil Pulley" <pulley_p@hotmail.com> wrote in message 8 > news:7041fc41.0406010707.cfe30ee@posting.google.com...= > > I am trying to store the following system files in CMS...  > >o > > Sysuaf.dat > > Vms$audit_server.dat > > vue$profile.vue$dat  > >H > N > Any chance you are on an ODS-5 disk, and, you actually have case sensitivityK > turned on?  Some versions (all?) really don't handle lower case elements.s >  > Just a guess >  > Brad McCuskerc  < Does CMS support complete UNIX style naming conventions yet?  F One really great thing I would like added to CMS is the replacement ofA __GENERATION__ within a file like I have available from sccs/rcs.h   JMOD   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 23:30:58 GMT  From: danco@ns2.pebble.org( Subject: Re: Storing system files in CMS1 Message-ID: <slrncbsl25.3uk.danco@ns2.pebble.org>U  = In article <f401eb7f.0406021333.26557e14@posting.google.com>,  Nom de Plume wrote:i  > > Does CMS support complete UNIX style naming conventions yet?  ' Do you mean extended parsing and ODS-5?   A I'd like to know when UNIX will start supporting VMS style naming B conventions.  The character that really seems to bother all unicesA I've used is the dollar sign "$".  I gather UNIX file names can'ty= have dollar characters in them.  NFS mount an ODS disk from ad= UNIX system and all file names that have dollar characters in ? them appear to be truncated at the dollar sign with the rest ofh% the file name being invisible.  Ouch.r   - Dans   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:07:43 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>( Subject: Re: Storing system files in CMS* Message-ID: <40BE87EF.AD80684@comcast.net>   danco@ns2.pebble.org wrote:g > ? > In article <f401eb7f.0406021333.26557e14@posting.google.com>,1 > Nom de Plume wrote:  > @ > > Does CMS support complete UNIX style naming conventions yet? > ) > Do you mean extended parsing and ODS-5?X > C > I'd like to know when UNIX will start supporting VMS style namingtD > conventions.  The character that really seems to bother all unicesC > I've used is the dollar sign "$".  I gather UNIX file names can'ta? > have dollar characters in them.  NFS mount an ODS disk from a1? > UNIX system and all file names that have dollar characters in5A > them appear to be truncated at the dollar sign with the rest of.' > the file name being invisible.  Ouch.n  H "$" is a shell metacharacter. It usually precedes symbol names like $CWDH (the current working directory), $HOME (your login directory), others...   D.J.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:08:22 -0500e2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>( Subject: Re: Storing system files in CMS+ Message-ID: <40BE8816.71F43C15@comcast.net>o   Phil Pulley wrote: > ; > I am trying to store the following system files in CMS...o >  > Sysuaf.dat > Vms$audit_server.dat > vue$profile.vue$datt > ! > ...but it doesn't seem to work.  > F > I can (apparently)create the element OK but, when I try and fetch orG > reserve it CMS terminates & the file is not retrieved (I am using thebF > Decwindows front end to access CMS) however - I can store & retrieve > text files OK.F > I suspect that CMS does not handle this type of file but the manuals& > do not confirm that this is the case  7 I'd be curious as to what the value of this would be...    D.J.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 04:43:50 +0200s2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)( Subject: Re: Storing system files in CMS; Message-ID: <40be9066.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>.   danco@ns2.pebble.org wrote:: > Nom de Plume wrote:R@ > > Does CMS support complete UNIX style naming conventions yet? >5) > Do you mean extended parsing and ODS-5?. >6C > I'd like to know when UNIX will start supporting VMS style namingiD > conventions.  The character that really seems to bother all unicesC > I've used is the dollar sign "$".  I gather UNIX file names can'tn? > have dollar characters in them.  NFS mount an ODS disk from a ? > UNIX system and all file names that have dollar characters inPA > them appear to be truncated at the dollar sign with the rest ofo' > the file name being invisible.  Ouch.e  H Unix file names can have almost anything in it (even cntrol characters).H So, it must be something else, e.g., many VMS NFS server implementationsC use some combination including a $ as a case switch or to representa0 characters that are not valid in VMS file names.  B If used in a shell environment, another point is that $ under UnixE is the prefix for a shell variable, so must be escaped in file names.    cu,    Martin -- iA  Your mouse has moved.     | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!l4  Windows must be restarted | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deG  for the change to take    |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/n;  effect. Reboot now? [OK]  | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:03:43 -0500e2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: T4 and friendsp+ Message-ID: <40BE86FF.2344D6BE@comcast.net>-   Michael Austin wrote:) >  > David J Dachtera wrote: " > > jf.pieronne@laposte.net wrote: > >- > >>I have put oneF > >>http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/jfp/t4/t4chart/screenshots/ > >>P > >>some screen's capture of an early version of a chart tools for T4 data store > >>into a MySQL database. > >>P > >>The database builder/loader is written in Python, the chart program in Java. > >>O > >>They can run on any system which support Python and Java (VMS :-), Windows,t > >>MACOS, linux,...)d > >>; > >>If someone wants to play with these tools, let me know.S > >n > > ! > > Well, the simpler the better.k > >aH > > One key item to remember: in order to be truly valuable, performanceL > > reporting solutions *MUST* be 100% automated. They *MUST* be able to run6 > > in batch, unattended, scheduled by whatever means. > >BJ > > Ideally, any such solution should produce ASCII graphs (histograms ala: > > SPM or PSPA), PostScript, etc. at the user's election. > > 
 > > D.J.D. >  > Dave,t > J > I am currious why you consider text-based histograms to be so important.   Say: - Automation - Impact printerse& - non-postscript laser/inkjet printers  H >   As long as there is method for being able to access this data from aE > browser or X-window... why would one care to produce those types oft > reports? i   Say: - Automation - Impact printerss& - non-postscript laser/inkjet printers  < >  I have not been in a character-cell only environment in a > very long time.    Welcome to the real world, Neo!   4 > My desktop is a PC, my console is a PC , (that is,I > after all, what they are good for :) ) and  I have a web server running   @ When did a webserver ship as a part of the OpenVMS installation?  > > that can get me the data I need when I need it....  T4 is an9 > "after-the-fact" tool that is for historical purposes. y  8 Well, to be pedantic, T4 is an expansion of VMS MONITOR.   > It can be madeA > to "give me what has happened up to now" using the technologies7
 > available. a  > Likewise could SPM and PSPA through their /HISTORY facilities.  : > *Web, CSV and PNG*" and if you would care to contract my- > services I can set it up for you as well :)r   Again, my focus is:p   - Automation - Impact printersR& - non-postscript laser/inkjet printers  F I don't have hours a day, everyday to spend doing performance reports.F The machine can do it faster and more reliably than I can. All that isF lacking is the software we once had to do it 10+ years ago: SPM, PSPA.  H In my "copious spare time", I'm trying to develop performance reports inE DCL that parse out the output from MONITOR and produce output ala SPM G and/or PSPA. No CPU-efficient, but at least it can be automated and run 9 every day, rain or shine, whether anyone is there or not.o    Starting to get the picture now?  > Think "automation"    Think "automation"    Think "automation"  G > The biggest value will come when you are able to trend over very longtI > periods of time not just since yesterday.   JF Pieronne and I both haveeF > ways to get this into a database, he is just slightly ahead of me on > getting it out... :) i  E Again, likewise could SPM and PSPA through their /HISTORY facilities.r# They each had their own "database".l  G Seems the more things change, the more they catch bacp up to where they-B were 10+ years ago before VMS management, in their infinite(simal)? wisdom started killing and selling off VMS layered products andc
 applications.4  G To my knowledge, neither MySQL, PERL nor Python are standard, supportedeH elements of the OpenVMS installation. So, you're not likely to find them: on the great bulk of VMS sites, especially the older ones.  F Again, what we need is a performance reporting and analysis tool that:  4 - Runs in batch on OpenVMS, "lights-out", unattended> - Requires no additional elements that are not part of the VMS
 installation. B - Supports ASCII text histograms as well as options for PostScript and/or PDF.   5 That's the product that would be the most marketable.e  G If you *MUST* use GUI-based solutions, you *MUST* provide for RPCs thatiF can be trigered from a batch job on the VMS side (RSHELL?) so that the8 product will run entirely automated, including printing.  F Again, I don't have hours a day, everyday to point-and-click my way to: performance reports that would be more valuable automated.  D Anyone out there who DOES have that kind of time *EVERY* *DAY*, feelG free to say, "You're wrong DJ" - or be prepared to share your solutionsw  with the VMS community at-large.   D.J.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:21:55 -0500s2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>" Subject: Re: VMS Hobbyist licenses+ Message-ID: <40BE8B43.84267AAA@comcast.net>o   Tom Linden wrote:c > A > I got a couldn't connect message, so the site is probably down.n >  >   -----Original Message-----9 >   From: Alan Boyles [mailto:alan.boyles@mindspring.com]I* >   Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 6:01 AM >   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComU" >   Subject: VMS Hobbyist licenses >  > M >   I am not able to get to montagar.com to refresh my Hobbyist licenses.  Is 9 >   this still the place to go or have I missed a change?s   There appears to be a bug in:e+ http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/index.html    ...as it tries to redirect to: http://www.openvmshobbyist.com/d   ...which name resolves to:4 DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ mult nslo www.openvmshobbyist.com Server:  LOCALHOST Address:  127.0.0.1r    Name:    WWW.OPENVMSHOBBYIST.COM Address:  209.39.152.40y  * ...which differs from openvmshobbyist.org:4 DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ mult nslo www.openvmshobbyist.org Server:  LOCALHOST Address:  127.0.0.1u   Non-authoritative answer:r  Name:    WWW.OPENVMSHOBBYIST.ORG Address:  65.64.220.2114  D Anyway, http://www.openvmshobbyist.org/ seems to be working tonight.   D.J.D.   D.J.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 20:19:36 -0700s+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> " Subject: Re: VMS Hobbyist licenses' Message-ID: <40BE98C8.5030201@MMaz.com>    David J Dachtera wrote:d   >Tom Linden wrote: >  l >nA >>I got a couldn't connect message, so the site is probably down.i >> >>  -----Original Message-----9 >>  From: Alan Boyles [mailto:alan.boyles@mindspring.com]m* >>  Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 6:01 AM >>  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms" >>  Subject: VMS Hobbyist licenses >> >>M >>  I am not able to get to montagar.com to refresh my Hobbyist licenses.  Is 9 >>  this still the place to go or have I missed a change?e >>     >> >  >There appears to be a bug in:, >http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/index.html >e >..as it tries to redirect to:  >http://www.openvmshobbyist.com/ >t >..which name resolves to:5 >DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ mult nslo www.openvmshobbyist.comt >Server:  LOCALHOSTh >Address:  127.0.0.1 >2! >Name:    WWW.OPENVMSHOBBYIST.COMi >Address:  209.39.152.40 >n* >..which differs from openvmshobbyist.org:5 >DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ mult nslo www.openvmshobbyist.org  >Server:  LOCALHOSTi >Address:  127.0.0.1 >i >Non-authoritative answer:! >Name:    WWW.OPENVMSHOBBYIST.ORG  >Address:  65.64.220.211 >eE >Anyway, http://www.openvmshobbyist.org/ seems to be working tonight.r >  >  A >nG Both the .COM and the .ORG are now going to the same site and the 'Get f' yer license' is working, I just did it!a   Barryo   -- g  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jun 2004 18:57:02 -0600s+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)B Subject: Re: Welcome FujitSUNp3 Message-ID: <KCAQrqc+Ecr4@eisner.encompasserve.org>c  \ In article <87oeo2xl20.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:/ > young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:i > " > I can think of two good reasons. > G >>> I wonder what the odds Ladbrokes or the bookies in Vegas would givem= >>> on the Sun/Fujitsu partnership being more successful thana >>> HP/Itanic? > M > The first is that Sun and Fujitsu have been working together for years, and C > Fujitsu Sparcs have a good showing in the super computer top 500.s > < >> 	Not much.  Sun/Fujitsu deal is to save money.  Market is? >> 	shrinking for them, wisdom dictates they combine forces andh >> 	slash appropriately. > / > The other, is that Rob says they will fail...g >  > (OK, 3 then)  @ 	Actually, Sun is expect to save several hundred million in R&D,E 	combined with the layoffs and transfers they should be better off.  aF 	Shoot, their stock might actually bust above $5 a share.  After all, D 	they have to do something.  They are slipping badly, while the big  	3 are gaining:    May 26, 2004  L In figures released by research firm Gartner (IT: news, chart, profile), IBMM (IBM: news, chart, profile) topped the worldwide first-quarter server revenuenL figures with $3.6 billion, a 16.7 percent rise from $3.1 billion a year ago.O H-P (HPQ: news, chart, profile) was second with $3 billion, up 6.2 percent fromi $2.9 billion last year.o  L Rounding out the top five revenue leaders were Sun Microsystems (SUNW: news,K chart, profile), with $1.2 billion, down 12.5 percent from last year's $1.4AL billion; Dell (DELL: news, chart, profile), whose sales jumped 25 percent toK $1.2 billion from $938 million; and Fujitsu/FSC, with $842 million, up froma
 $786 million.t    F 	Sun has slipped to 4th in server sales and continue to shrink revenue 	while others gain.a   				Robr   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 03:43:11 GMTo/ From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@spyderbyte.com>a. Subject: Re: [HW] Looking for a DLT 7000 drive< Message-ID: <j7xvc.3595$wH4.157566@twister.southeast.rr.com>  E You might want to try Island Computers also, http://www.islandco.com.a 877-636-4332   Kent   -- Ken Farmer <>< OpenVMS.org.    E "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski.spamstop@hotmail.com> wrote in messagel) news:c9k4ba$sr1$1@atlantis.news.tpi.pl...  > Hi,wJ > Perhaps some of you has an unused DLT 7000 drive. If so, I'd like to buy it > for a reasonable price.n >, > T. D.h >a0 > PS. Sorry for spamming, if you consider it so. >- >-   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.306 ************************