1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 08 Jun 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 316       Contents:, ANN: HG FILESERV updates: Zip, DBS utilities, ANN: UnZip V5.51 available, now for IA64 too0 Re: ANN: UnZip V5.51 available, now for IA64 too Re: AST level I/O . Re: Computer foul-up has bank customers fuming$ cURL 7.12.0 for OpenVMS is available= Re: DCL enhancement - REQUEST/REPLY - how to capture a value.  DEC PWS RAM  RE: DEC PWS RAM  DEC PWS RAM  Re: DEC PWS RAM ! Re: DECnet-Plus DECdts Management ! Re: DECnet-Plus DECdts Management ! Re: DECnet-Plus DECdts Management ! Re: DECnet-Plus DECdts Management ! Re: Free surplus SW Prod Lib kits ! RE: Free surplus SW Prod Lib kits ! RE: Free surplus SW Prod Lib kits ! Re: Free surplus SW Prod Lib kits ! Re: Free surplus SW Prod Lib kits ! Re: Free surplus SW Prod Lib kits  Re: Invaild SMTP in My Name 	 Re: Merci ' Merrill Lynch to HP: Time for a breakup + Re: Merrill Lynch to HP: Time for a breakup  Re: Not adding up? Re: Not adding up? Sun, SAP and Microsoft TCPIP 5.3 ALPHA: bug or feature # Re: TCPIP 5.3 ALPHA: bug or feature F The Loon UpChucketh (Was:  Re: Merrill Lynch to HP: Time for a breakupP Re: The Loon UpChucketh (Was:  Re: Merrill Lynch to HP: Time for a breakup break. Why does idle telnet session get disconnected?2 Re: Why does idle telnet session get disconnected? Xwindows: SAVE-AS question [OpenVMS V7.3-2] Mount question   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 21:15:02 -0500 - From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> 5 Subject: ANN: HG FILESERV updates: Zip, DBS utilities * Message-ID: <40C52126.7030306@goatley.com>  ; The following packages have been updated in my VMS freeware  archive:       - Zip  (Updated)  >       Zip V2.3 is Info-ZIP's portable zip compression utility.>       This is not a new release, but binaries for OpenVMS IA64<       have been added to the kit (in addition to the VAX and+       Alpha binaries previously available).        - DBS-BUILD_LIBRARIES (New)      - DBS-ETHERWATCH  (Updated)      - DBS-SCANLOCKS  (New)     - DBS-PATCH  (Updated)     - DBS-SYSRTL  (Updated)   B       Thanks to Dave Sneddon, the packages above have been updated?       and now include binaries for OpenVMS IA64, in addition to        VAX and Alpha.  E The packages can be downloaded via anonymous FTP from FTP.PROCESS.COM B in [.VMS-FREEWARE.FILESERV], or you can visit the Process Software OpenVMS Resource Center:   http://www.process.com/openvms/   @ The packages will show up on the mirror sites within the next 24 hours.   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ ; <goathunter@GOATLEY.COM>     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 21:10:08 -0500 - From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> 5 Subject: ANN: UnZip V5.51 available, now for IA64 too * Message-ID: <40C52000.2040407@goatley.com>  8 A week or so ago, Info-ZIP formally released UnZip V5.51: to correct a couple of directory-traversal vulnerabilities5 in the code.  I've updated my repackaging of UnZip to < provide this new release.  In addition to providing binaries8 for OpenVMS VAX and OpenVMS Alpha, this new release also# includes binaries for OpenVMS IA64.   ; You can find UNZIP.ZIP and UNZIP.BCK (a VMS saveset in case = you don't have or don't want to use UnZip) in the HG FILESERV $ archives hosted by Process Software:   http://www.process.com/openvms/   : http://vms.process.com/ftp/vms-freeware/fileserv/unzip.zip5 ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/unzip.zip   . And on the usual mirrors in the next 24 hours.   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ 8 goathunter@goatley.com    http://www.goatley.com/hunter/   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 04:53:10 GMT - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 9 Subject: Re: ANN: UnZip V5.51 available, now for IA64 too @ Message-ID: <e772e20f400ebf0c002df0dba3b8791e@news.teranews.com>   Hunter Goatley wrote: : > A week or so ago, Info-ZIP formally released UnZip V5.51< > to correct a couple of directory-traversal vulnerabilities7 > in the code.  I've updated my repackaging of UnZip to  > provide this new release.   I Does VMS come with some unzip utility now ?  I have some unzip program in ; SYS$SYSTEM. (and I normally never deposit shareware there).   G If there is some unzip utility that comes with VMS, what is the correct L procedure to properly disable the VMS one and enable the shareware one ? (isK it worth removing the verb and defining a symbol in sylogin ? Or should one ? just replace the executable with the better shareware version ?    ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:22:57 +0000 (UTC)7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)  Subject: Re: AST level I/O( Message-ID: <ca2bq0$hov$1@pcls4.std.com>  = koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:   H >> this I/O wasTHIS I/O WAS ISSUED FROM AN AST issued from the main loop  B >  I don't know exactly what you're doing, but unless you're doingD >  byte-by-byte output and forcing it to flush any buffers, you haveC >  two I/O requests, and the I/O subsystem will complete one before 3 >  starting the other, so you'll always get one of:   @ I've seen the VMS C RTL break up terminal output like the quoted example.  1 If you are doing QIOs directly, I agree with you.  --   -Mike    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:34:51 -0700* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>7 Subject: Re: Computer foul-up has bank customers fuming 2 Message-ID: <DbKdnWOhPeHBXlndRVn-uw@mpowercom.net>  G "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> wrote in message $ news:2ijj3rFo06o7U1@uni-berlin.de...H > Those are just the points they are admitting to publicly. Not only wasF > my mortgage payment processed three days late, a credit card paymentG > showed correctly on Tuesday and Wednesday, then it appeared twice for 2 > one day before it was corrected again on Friday. > L Cascading failures tend to be career-limiting situations for IT managers andJ CIOs.  Now the race will be to see if the people who fixed the problem areH shown the door before the people above them are given the opportunity toF explore new career objectives.  Sounds like a major breakdown in daily- operations and no contingency plans in place.    Jack Peacock   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2004 14:39:17 -0600 4 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)- Subject: cURL 7.12.0 for OpenVMS is available 3 Message-ID: <4bybCc4pGZM9@eisner.encompasserve.org>   A The latest version of cURL, 7.12.0, for OpenVMS has been released  and is available for download.  2 The location is http://curl.haxx.se/download.html   A The zip files contain executables and objects built with OpenSSL, = hpSSL and without SSL support.  The files are in architecture  specific zips.  > This is the binary and object library distribution of the cURL? 7.12.0 release.  See the preceding notes for usage information. A The OpenSSL and noSSL versions are self-contained in that you can A run these programs without any other software on the system.  For A the hp SSL version, you will need to have hp's SSL V1.1-A product 
 installed.  B  HW Type  VMS Version   Compiler Vers   SSL Library      FilenamesC --------+-------------+---------------+----------------+----------- C  Alpha  | OpenVMS 7.3 | DEC C 6.5-001 | OpenSSL 0.9.7d | .*_openssl A  Alpha  | OpenVMS 7.3 | DEC C 6.5-001 | hpSSL 1.1-A    | .*_hpssl A  Alpha  | OpenVMS 7.3 | DEC C 6.5-001 | No SSL support | .*_nossl C  IA64   | OpenVMS 8.1 | hp C X7.1-24  | OpenSSL 0.9.7d | .*_openssl A  IA64   | OpenVMS 8.1 | hp C X7.1-24  | hpSSL 1.1-A    | .*_hpssl A  IA64   | OpenVMS 8.1 | hp C X7.1-24  | No SSL support | .*_nossl C  VAX    | OpenVMS 7.3 | DEC C 6.4-003 | OpenSSL 0.9.7d | .*_openssl A  VAX    | OpenVMS 7.3 | DEC C 6.4-003 | hpSSL 1.1-A    | .*_hpssl A  VAX    | OpenVMS 7.3 | DEC C 6.4-003 | No SSL support | .*_nossl   H For those who don't know what cURL is, here is the blurb from their main page...   ;     Curl is a command line tool for transferring files with :     URL syntax, supporting FTP, FTPS, HTTP, HTTPS, GOPHER,4     TELNET, DICT, FILE and LDAP. Curl supports HTTPS5     certificates, HTTP POST, HTTP PUT, FTP uploading, 7     kerberos, HTTP form based upload, proxies, cookies, <     user+password authentication, file transfer resume, http9     proxy tunneling and a busload of other useful tricks.   C I haven't tested all the features, since I only use the library for F HTTP(S) stuff via C programs.  It does compile and link cleanly on all the platforms outlined above.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2004 11:38:36 -0700 % From: piccard@ohio.edu (Dick Piccard) F Subject: Re: DCL enhancement - REQUEST/REPLY - how to capture a value.= Message-ID: <17bd57ed.0406071038.7d988ceb@posting.google.com>   E If you go to google and search only in comp.os.vms for "answer.c" you > will quickly find Ehud Gavron's 1991 posting that provides theD software you need (less than 250 lines of well-commented "C" source,D plus .CLD, and .HLP).  It puts the reply value into a symbol of your choice.   < We have been using it unchanged since 1991 to provide a moreD interactive batch backup environment for our operators to use.  Yes,B we did have to re-compile and re-link when we migrated from VAX to0 Alpha, but no source code changes were required.  9                                                       RDP    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2004 22:57:26 GMT  From: healyzh@aracnet.com  Subject: DEC PWS RAM+ Message-ID: <ca2rsm02pe@enews1.newsguy.com>   L Recently I got what should have been enough RAM to upgrade my PWS 433au fromL 832MB to 1.5GB and what resulted can serve as a cautionary tail to others...  I While trying to get the three banks of 512MB installed, I started getting K indications that the middle RAM bank was dead.  Further troubleshooting led H me to believe that at least "Bank 1" if not "Bank 2" were dead, but thatG "Bank 0" was more or less functional.  This wasn't to surprising as the J system has had a dead PCI slot for about a year (and it was flakey for far longer than that).  H Finally I downgraded the system to an AlphaStation 200 4/233 and startedD looking for a replacement system (the AS200 being way to slow to run everything).  I Thankfully on Saturday I decided to reseat everything and give the system I one more try.  That didn't solve the problem, but I think I finally found F the culprit.  It looks like my problem is one of the sets of RAM I wasL trying to use.  The RAM was PC133 instead of PC100 (IIRC, RAM for the PWS isI supposed to be PC66), and I now have the system running with 1GB of PC100 L RAM.  It is working just fine, and doesn't crash when I try to run java or a; transfer a large amount of data to the system via ethernet.   H For some reason the PC133 RAM was preventing me from using the other twoH banks (and from seeing RAM in Bank 1).  All three Banks are working just fine now that it is gone.   L Of course I'm still planning to get it up to 1.5GB one of these days, I justC got some brand new Kingston kits that should work in the system :^)    		Zane   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 17:16:45 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: RE: DEC PWS RAM9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIOEBODGAA.tom@kednos.com>   5 You can probably reclock that guy without any problem    	8	7	6	5	4	3	2	1 433d	d	u	d	u	u	d	d	u 500	d	u	u	u	u	d	d	u  600	d	d	u	d	d	u	d	u   , This is the slider switch just below the cpu
 d = down = on  u = up   = off  9 Just for kicks, I also tried 667 but that didn't come up.      -----Original Message-----8   From: healyzh@aracnet.com [mailto:healyzh@aracnet.com]%   Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 3:57 PM    To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com    Subject: DEC PWS RAM    C   Recently I got what should have been enough RAM to upgrade my PWS    433au fromA   832MB to 1.5GB and what resulted can serve as a cautionary tail    to others...  K   While trying to get the three banks of 512MB installed, I started getting 9   indications that the middle RAM bank was dead.  Further    troubleshooting led J   me to believe that at least "Bank 1" if not "Bank 2" were dead, but thatI   "Bank 0" was more or less functional.  This wasn't to surprising as the L   system has had a dead PCI slot for about a year (and it was flakey for far   longer than that).  J   Finally I downgraded the system to an AlphaStation 200 4/233 and startedF   looking for a replacement system (the AS200 being way to slow to run   everything).  K   Thankfully on Saturday I decided to reseat everything and give the system K   one more try.  That didn't solve the problem, but I think I finally found H   the culprit.  It looks like my problem is one of the sets of RAM I wasC   trying to use.  The RAM was PC133 instead of PC100 (IIRC, RAM for    the PWS isK   supposed to be PC66), and I now have the system running with 1GB of PC100 @   RAM.  It is working just fine, and doesn't crash when I try to   run java or a =   transfer a large amount of data to the system via ethernet.   J   For some reason the PC133 RAM was preventing me from using the other twoJ   banks (and from seeing RAM in Bank 1).  All three Banks are working just   fine now that it is gone.   A   Of course I'm still planning to get it up to 1.5GB one of these    days, I justE   got some brand new Kingston kits that should work in the system :^)      		Zane     --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B   Version: 6.0.690 / Virus Database: 451 - Release Date: 5/22/2004   --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.690 / Virus Database: 451 - Release Date: 5/22/2004   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:56:45 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org Subject: DEC PWS RAM) Message-ID: <04060718564494@antinode.org>    From: healyzh@aracnet.com   N > Recently I got what should have been enough RAM to upgrade my PWS 433au fromN > 832MB to 1.5GB and what resulted can serve as a cautionary tail to others...  F    A "cautionary tail" sounds like something which might be found in a Harry Potter tale.  K > While trying to get the three banks of 512MB installed, I started getting 7 > indications that the middle RAM bank was dead.  [...]   A > [...]  It looks like my problem is one of the sets of RAM I was N > trying to use.  The RAM was PC133 instead of PC100 (IIRC, RAM for the PWS isK > supposed to be PC66), and I now have the system running with 1GB of PC100 N > RAM.  It is working just fine, and doesn't crash when I try to run java or a= > transfer a large amount of data to the system via ethernet.    > [...]   I    I'd try a console "memtest" (with some options which I can't recall).  E My PWS 500a, the (still) tentative candidate to replace my AlpSta 200 A 4/233, currently has a rather messy memory configuration, too.  I G started out with an original pair of (tall) official Digital 64MB cards E (54-24829-DA => SN-MSP01-HD), and tried adding various pairs of 256MB E PC100 modules, which seemed to work, until I tried running with PC100 A for all three sets, at which point "memtest" started complaining. H Although it did seem to work that way, I decided not to take the chance.  F    My system seemed to be happy enough if bank 0 held a pair of (tall)G official Digital 256MB cards (54-25158-DA => SN-MSP01-HF), and the more G easily acquired (that is, cheaper) 256MB PC100 (PC100-222-622R) modules  in the remaining banks.   D    In any case, if I ever get my dead XP1000 resurected, I'll have a  full load of PC100 ready for it.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2004 03:14:07 GMT  From: healyzh@aracnet.com  Subject: Re: DEC PWS RAM+ Message-ID: <ca3atv0d5p@enews4.newsguy.com>    sms@antinode.org wrote:  > From: healyzh@aracnet.com   P > > Recently I got what should have been enough RAM to upgrade my PWS 433au fromP > > 832MB to 1.5GB and what resulted can serve as a cautionary tail to others...  H >    A "cautionary tail" sounds like something which might be found in a > Harry Potter tale.   Gee, I can spell can't I :^)  K >    I'd try a console "memtest" (with some options which I can't recall).  G > My PWS 500a, the (still) tentative candidate to replace my AlpSta 200 C > 4/233, currently has a rather messy memory configuration, too.  I   L I ran "memtest" on the system for quite a while and everything seemed fine. L Besides, the fact that I can type "java" and hit return without crashing theI system is a pretty good sign that things are at least somewhat better :^)    			Zane    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 14:17:19 -0400< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>* Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus DECdts Management* Message-ID: <2ijppgFm1587U1@uni-berlin.de>   Colin Butcher wrote:F > It's on the December 2002 documentation CD set in Bookreader format.G > Haven't checked later CD sets, but I'd expect it to be there. No sign = > of PDF or HTML. There is a BKB reader as part of the Online ' > Documentation Library for use on PCs.  > F > I have a paper copy too, but no time to scan it in page by laborious > page.   F I have the March 2003 VAX document set on this PC and I could not findF it there. I'll have to see if I can find the December 2002 CD. I thinkH the March 2003 VAX set was the first VAX set that could be read on a PC,E the Alpha OLD could be read on PC's a long time before the VAX could.   H I did send a message to the webmaster to see if they know why the manual5 is not on-line, but I did not receive any answer yet.      --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:05:27 -0400< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>* Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus DECdts Management* Message-ID: <2ik04aFnpt90U1@uni-berlin.de>  : Thanks for the e-mails I received. The document is also atH http://vaxus.free.fr/doc/6497.pdf thanks to Didier. To answer one of theD questions I received off-line, a .PDF is a lot easier to search than HTML.    --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:29:40 -0400< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>* Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus DECdts Management* Message-ID: <2ik1hmFmq2n4U1@uni-berlin.de>   Peter Weaver wrote: < > Thanks for the e-mails I received. The document is also atF > http://vaxus.free.fr/doc/6497.pdf thanks to Didier. To answer one ofE > the questions I received off-line, a .PDF is a lot easier to search  > than HTML.  > Actually, I spoke too soon, that document is the "Applications> Installation and Advanced Configuration" manual not the DECdts Management. Still looking.   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 21:45:19 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> * Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus DECdts Management< Message-ID: <Pl5xc.4795$b64.1978@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>   Peter Weaver wrote:  > Peter Weaver wrote:  > < >>Thanks for the e-mails I received. The document is also atF >>http://vaxus.free.fr/doc/6497.pdf thanks to Didier. To answer one ofE >>the questions I received off-line, a .PDF is a lot easier to search  >>than HTML. >  > @ > Actually, I spoke too soon, that document is the "Applications@ > Installation and Advanced Configuration" manual not the DECdts > Management. Still looking. >     F Which IP stack are you using?  If you are using TCPIP (5.1 and later) < you can use UTC$TIME_SETUP and add NET$DISABLE_DTSS to your C SYLOGICALS.COM and then configure NTP to keep the systems in sync.  < Defining the logical will ignore DTSS and use the UTC setup.  E Since almost everyone supports NTP, in a very large shop we found it  ? easier to use.  And... if you are at 7.3-1 and above, defining  H AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV = 1 in sysgen will automagically change the time during I daylight savings changes (not a dynamic parameter).  Works great!  Also,  9 be warned, there is an NTP patch out for EV79 processors  6 (ES47/80/GS1280) so that it calculates time correctly.   Michael Austin.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 14:12:23 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>* Subject: Re: Free surplus SW Prod Lib kits. Message-ID: <40C477C7.3330.17BD8CE6@localhost>  * On 7 Jun 2004 at 10:04, Rich Jordan wrote:H > Backing up the CONDISTS as well seems a fine idea, though to be honestH > the media they are on now is probably far more durable than a consumerG > IDE drive, the DDS-2 tapes I back up to, or any CD-R I might generate 
 > from them.    E Sure, but I have 3 copies in different geographical locations -- not  & counting the original CD themselves...  F > Maybe its time to look at the old TK50 stack; I know I have many preF > V5.5 releases, though I doubt I've got anything from pre 5.0.  Those5 > would be worth archiving to disk and to good CD-Rs.   F Absolutely.  Shame we can't "share" this stuff across the net without  getting into legal trouble.   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:37:52 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> * Subject: RE: Free surplus SW Prod Lib kits9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIIEBGDGAA.tom@kednos.com>      -----Original Message-----9   From: Stanley F. Quayle [mailto:squayle@insight.rr.com] &   Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 11:12 AM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ,   Subject: Re: Free surplus SW Prod Lib kits      ,   On 7 Jun 2004 at 10:04, Rich Jordan wrote:J   > Backing up the CONDISTS as well seems a fine idea, though to be honestJ   > the media they are on now is probably far more durable than a consumerI   > IDE drive, the DDS-2 tapes I back up to, or any CD-R I might generate    > from them.     G   Sure, but I have 3 copies in different geographical locations -- not  (   counting the original CD themselves...   H   > Maybe its time to look at the old TK50 stack; I know I have many preH   > V5.5 releases, though I doubt I've got anything from pre 5.0.  Those7   > would be worth archiving to disk and to good CD-Rs.    H   Absolutely.  Shame we can't "share" this stuff across the net without    getting into legal trouble.   F So I wonder If I am allowed to give away these kits.  If so, then what@ is the difference between giving a physical vs. electronic copy?      --Stan Quayle    Quayle Consulting Inc.      ----------/   Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 5   8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 2   stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com            --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B   Version: 6.0.690 / Virus Database: 451 - Release Date: 5/22/2004    --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.690 / Virus Database: 451 - Release Date: 5/22/2004   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 15:17:37 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>* Subject: RE: Free surplus SW Prod Lib kits/ Message-ID: <40C48711.12866.17F944AA@localhost>   ) On 7 Jun 2004 at 11:37, Tom Linden wrote: H > So I wonder If I am allowed to give away these kits.  If so, then whatB > is the difference between giving a physical vs. electronic copy?  E I think the issue is posting them for the entire world to download.   B DEC charged a fee for the privilege of receiving the CONDIST.  HP B continues that policy -- and charging for the newest CONDIST is a  nice chunk of revenue...  E Notice that upgrading to the newest version of something is licensed  F completely separately.  I'm not proposing you mailing your PAK's with 
 those CD's...   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 15:25:57 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>* Subject: Re: Free surplus SW Prod Lib kits/ Message-ID: <40C48905.11601.1800E818@localhost>   H > I wrote a DCL script to compare each CD against the disk and snag only > the updated kits.   ! By request -- the scripts are at:   *   http://www.stanq.com/condist_capture.zip      , While you're at it, don't forget to drop by:  &   http://www.stanq.com/charon-vax.html    :-)  [Shameless Plug alert (tm)]  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 00:40:28 GMT % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> * Subject: Re: Free surplus SW Prod Lib kits< Message-ID: <0W7xc.6222$n65.1940@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message: news:6fd3337455c0302319fac712f06f11b7@news.teranews.com... > "Stanley F. Quayle" wrote:I > > Absolutely.  Shame we can't "share" this stuff across the net without  > > getting into legal trouble.  > E > It is my understanding that it is perfectly legal to give a copy of 
 condist toK > someone who has valid licences. So as long as you would have some form of I > control over who accesses the kits, I think that HP might not pounce on  you  > with its herd of lawyers.    IANAL!  K There's a big difference between "giving" a copy and "making" copy.  If you C buy a book (or condist), you can give it to anyone you want without L violating U.S. Copyright laws.  If you use a Xerox machine to make a copy ofJ the book, or electronic means to make a copy of the condist, then you haveA to start talking about things like "fair use" and "personal use".   K I don't think a court of law would call posting condist on the Internet for ( anyone to download "fair" or "personal".   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 00:43:38 GMT % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> * Subject: Re: Free surplus SW Prod Lib kits< Message-ID: <ZY7xc.6224$n65.5099@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>  . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message3 news:NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIIEBGDGAA.tom@kednos.com...  >  >  >   -----Original Message-----; >   From: Stanley F. Quayle [mailto:squayle@insight.rr.com] ( >   Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 11:12 AM >   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com . >   Subject: Re: Free surplus SW Prod Lib kits >  > . >   On 7 Jun 2004 at 10:04, Rich Jordan wrote:L >   > Backing up the CONDISTS as well seems a fine idea, though to be honestL >   > the media they are on now is probably far more durable than a consumerK >   > IDE drive, the DDS-2 tapes I back up to, or any CD-R I might generate  >   > from them. > H >   Sure, but I have 3 copies in different geographical locations -- not* >   counting the original CD themselves... > J >   > Maybe its time to look at the old TK50 stack; I know I have many preJ >   > V5.5 releases, though I doubt I've got anything from pre 5.0.  Those9 >   > would be worth archiving to disk and to good CD-Rs.  > I >   Absolutely.  Shame we can't "share" this stuff across the net without  >   getting into legal trouble.  > H > So I wonder If I am allowed to give away these kits.  If so, then whatB > is the difference between giving a physical vs. electronic copy?  I It's the same as the difference between "making" and "giving".  You can't F make more copies but you can give away (or sell) your existing copies.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 20:12:01 GMT - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> $ Subject: Re: Invaild SMTP in My Name@ Message-ID: <a76dda2a6f3da4d5b44f94a1b0a4e614@news.teranews.com>   Product Manager wrote:J > I've been getting an increasing number of these messages. They appear toD >   be telling me that an infected mail has been returned to me even > though I never sent one!  = > The infected component in the scanned document was deleted.   M TCPIP Services does not have the ability to can the contents for a virus. And : the headers are, from a logical point of view, legitimate.  J It is only because you know it is spam that you see something wrong in theK headers (received from not matching the reply-path's domain), but there are M many very legitimate uses of this (for instance, when I send an email from my L cellphone, I use my real email address in the from, but the Received-from is' from the mobile network's SMTP server).   K What is needed is a receiving SMTP server that can scan for a string in the B contents and then reject the message at the end of the DATA phase.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 05:05:29 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: Merci- Message-ID: <87brjvdqp2.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:   E > Does anyone know if Australia-New Zealand had sent troups over , or A > were they too busy defending themselves against the Japanese to # > contribute to the war in europe ?   7 Most where in the air, or bobbing about in noisy boats.   B The major part of OZ forces where deployed in the Pacific campaign4 against Japan, not sure if that was the case for NZ.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:36:29 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 0 Subject: Merrill Lynch to HP: Time for a breakup, Message-ID: <SO2dnSDJ1PkhXlnd4p2dnA@igs.net>  - http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5227760.html   ' Merrill Lynch to HP: Time for a breakup  By Martin LaMonica
 CNET News.com  June 7, 2004, 8:35 AM PT0 URL: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104-5227760.html    J Longtime Wall Street analyst Steven Milunovich is urging Hewlett-Packard'sA top management to split the company into two separate businesses.   L Milunovich delivered the unsolicited advice in a Merrill Lynch research noteJ published Monday, a day before HP holds a meeting with securities analysts in San Jose, Calif.   I In the note, Milunovich argues that HP can improve its strategic focus by I breaking off into distinct organizations. He suggests either spinning off F HP's imaging and printing business or breaking up the company into twoF divisions, one that sells to consumers and one that sells to corporate
 customers.  H "Our strong intuition is that shareholders will benefit by HP eventuallyK breaking up," Milunovich said. "As much as the company would argue that its G divisions are separately run and optimized, we don't fully believe it."       H "We think HP's best course of action is to become the IBM alternative inF enterprise computing, since competing with Dell at the low end appears futile." -- Steven Milunovich Merrill Lynch analyst       A Merrill Lynch said HP's management should "do the right thing for C shareholders" and address the difficulty of maintaining its current H competitive position. HP is being squeezed between Dell, which undercutsG competitors on price, and IBM, which has a broad portfolio of goods and  consulting services.  E Milunovich said that overall, it appears that HP made a smart move in G acquiring Compaq Computer, which improved the company's market share in G servers, PCs and storage. To better compete, Milunovich said, HP should J continue making acquisitions of other companies. He noted that HP would be- the most likely acquirer of Sun Microsystems.e  H "We think HP's best course of action is to become the IBM alternative inF enterprise computing, since competing with Dell at the low end appears futile," he said.   H But to exectute on the IBM-alternative strategy, HP needs more focus, heJ said. Milunovich conceded that there are some efficiencies to be gained inL distributing and manufacturing both computers and printers but that overall,A the imaging and printing parts of the business would benefit fromP
 independence.g  G "HP is the Campbell Soup of printing. It owns the category, so its maint: challenge is not share but growing the category," he said.  D Meanwhile, the company's computer product line is diverse, includingH products from Compaq's own acquisitions of Digital Equipment and Tandem.G Those products could be rebranded as part of a company split, while the I imaging division could maintain the HP name.   [ aside: maybe they'd alsou ditch Itanic???]  H HP spun off a medical testing unit, called Agilent Technolgies, in 1999.  H Milunovich's advice for HP is not the first time he's recommended that aK technology provider take dramatic steps. In October, he sent an open letter K to Sun CEO Scott McNealy, urging him to focus Sun on high-end computing andiH to exit some of Sun's smaller businesses, including Java, the UltraSparc# processor and Linux on the desktop.-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 00:37:02 GMT:1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>l4 Subject: Re: Merrill Lynch to HP: Time for a breakup< Message-ID: <OS7xc.4831$uF5.1999@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>  I If HP wants to do the right thing for the shareholders, they should tell iG ML to get lost.  The biggest problem with big business for the last 15 lE years or so hasn't been big business, it is idiots like this on Wall  I Street trying to tell businesses what is best for them... Horse-hockey.. aI it is only to line their own greedy pockets. If these guys are "so good" -H then why are they not running companies?   They seem to know how to run C   every business in America... Monkeys could run corporate America hI better than guys like Steven Milunovich.  I guess we should all get used VF to living in a third-world country because if these morons have their G way, that is what all industrialized countries will become.  A handful EG of rich tyrants and everyone else will be nothing but peasants begging t on the {Wall} street.e  I The only thing he did say correctly was that (paraphrasing) HP should go oG toe-to-toe with IBM in the highend computing arena.  Hmmm, sounds like eI what DEC told the street back in the 80's and early 90's and was told by -F these bozo's they should be the next Compaq/Dell and compared them as F such when DEC was ALWAYS a thorn in IBM's side...  They (Wall Street)  have absolutely no clue!!!  F HP is doing very well in the print/imaging AND they are doing well in D the high-end servers/blade servers (these really kick some butt)...  hmmmm just like IBM...   M.     John Smith wrote:   / > http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5227760.html  > ) > Merrill Lynch to HP: Time for a breakup  > By Martin LaMonica > CNET News.com  > June 7, 2004, 8:35 AM PT2 > URL: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104-5227760.html >  > L > Longtime Wall Street analyst Steven Milunovich is urging Hewlett-Packard'sC > top management to split the company into two separate businesses.o > N > Milunovich delivered the unsolicited advice in a Merrill Lynch research noteL > published Monday, a day before HP holds a meeting with securities analysts > in San Jose, Calif.r > K > In the note, Milunovich argues that HP can improve its strategic focus bygK > breaking off into distinct organizations. He suggests either spinning off-H > HP's imaging and printing business or breaking up the company into twoH > divisions, one that sells to consumers and one that sells to corporate > customers. > J > "Our strong intuition is that shareholders will benefit by HP eventuallyM > breaking up," Milunovich said. "As much as the company would argue that itslI > divisions are separately run and optimized, we don't fully believe it."e >  >  > J > "We think HP's best course of action is to become the IBM alternative inH > enterprise computing, since competing with Dell at the low end appears
 > futile." > -- Steven Milunovich > Merrill Lynch analysti >  >  > C > Merrill Lynch said HP's management should "do the right thing forME > shareholders" and address the difficulty of maintaining its currentdJ > competitive position. HP is being squeezed between Dell, which undercutsI > competitors on price, and IBM, which has a broad portfolio of goods anda > consulting services. > G > Milunovich said that overall, it appears that HP made a smart move inuI > acquiring Compaq Computer, which improved the company's market share ineI > servers, PCs and storage. To better compete, Milunovich said, HP shouldTL > continue making acquisitions of other companies. He noted that HP would be/ > the most likely acquirer of Sun Microsystems.  > J > "We think HP's best course of action is to become the IBM alternative inH > enterprise computing, since competing with Dell at the low end appears > futile," he said.w > J > But to exectute on the IBM-alternative strategy, HP needs more focus, heL > said. Milunovich conceded that there are some efficiencies to be gained inN > distributing and manufacturing both computers and printers but that overall,C > the imaging and printing parts of the business would benefit froml > independence.o > I > "HP is the Campbell Soup of printing. It owns the category, so its maine< > challenge is not share but growing the category," he said. > F > Meanwhile, the company's computer product line is diverse, includingJ > products from Compaq's own acquisitions of Digital Equipment and Tandem.I > Those products could be rebranded as part of a company split, while the,K > imaging division could maintain the HP name.   [ aside: maybe they'd alsoa > ditch Itanic???] > J > HP spun off a medical testing unit, called Agilent Technolgies, in 1999. > J > Milunovich's advice for HP is not the first time he's recommended that aM > technology provider take dramatic steps. In October, he sent an open lettercM > to Sun CEO Scott McNealy, urging him to focus Sun on high-end computing andlJ > to exit some of Sun's smaller businesses, including Java, the UltraSparc% > processor and Linux on the desktop.o >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:59:14 +0200* From: "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> Subject: Re: Not adding up?v- Message-ID: <ca2s0a$2133$1@news.cybercity.dk>l  F "Andrew Harrison" <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message* news:ca2g1r$59u$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...9 > I say at least because the HP DL585 isn't exactly priceh6 > competitive as far as Opteron boxes go 20K is a more6 > reasonable price and leaves the rx4640 13.5K adrift.  I The DL585 is a rather expensive design, with each processor placed on itsaB own rather board.  That allows for having 8 dimm slots for RAM perL processor, where all other designs, that I have seen, allows for 2 or 4 dimmK slots per processor.  No wonder DL 585 is rather expensive.  If you want to K compare DL585 with other opteron servers, then you have to compare machines-L fully equipped with main storage (RAM), because on DL585 you can get 16GB inH 1/2GB RAM blocks where you need to use 1 or 2GB blocks on other designs.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 20:35:22 +0100 9 From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com>. Subject: Re: Not adding up?.0 Message-ID: <ca2g1r$59u$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   David Svensson wrote:|s > Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message news:<ca1eo9$gpa$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  >  >>perfnerd wrote:p >> >>g >>>"Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> wrote in message news:<8ImdncfsSKbepiLdRVn-uw@mpowercom.net>...  >>>S >>>p3 >>>>>"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageL >>>>, >>>>news:<U92dnaFADoTYrSDdRVn-jg@igs.net>... >>>> >>>>C >>>>>>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/05/28/itanium_opteron_q104/p >>>>>>K >>>>>>....The latest server data from Gartner shows that only 6,281 Itaniums >>>>	 >>>>boxesf >>>> >>>>N >>>>>>and 31,184 Opteron boxes were shipped in the first quarter of this year. >>>>>sL >>>>The numbers for Itanium don't seem to be adding up.  I thought Intel hadP >>>>shipped 100,000+ Itanium CPUs last year?  What are the year on year shippingP >>>>numbers?  Are all those 6281 boxes last quarter fitted with at least 4 CPUs? >>>> Jack Peacock  >>>l >>> = >>>Since the average price for the Itanium box is $45,000 and F >>>100K/6281=~16, so I would think that puts the average box in the 16D >>>CPU range.  While the Opteron sales appear to be in the 1 - 2 CPU	 >>>range.- >> >>A >>The cheapest way of buying a 4 way HP Itanium box is to buy thelC >>rx4640 and a 4 way system with 8 GB of RAM lists for 60K dollars.n >>? >>The rx5670 which was until recently the only way of getting asA >>4 way unit from HP starts is about 12K more than the rx4640 for) >>the same config. >>@ >>Even the rx4640 is priced at over 2x the price of a equivalent= >>config but faster Opteron based system even the HP DL585 nor? >>price beater lists at ~27K under half the price of the rx4640 @ >>and its quicker for most of the things that people care about. >>@ >>The last numbers I saw said that in fact the average number of0 >>CPU's in Itanium systems was just less than 3. >  > G > I can buy a 4-way rx4640 with 8GB for 30K on the online store and getR+ > even better deals through other channels.m  < Not quite you can just about get a rx4640 with 4 x 1.3 GHz 3; MB cache slower Itanium II's for 31K.......................e   With no disks and one PSU.  A With redundant PSU's and 2 disks you are in fact looking at 33588r but what is 3.5K among friends.e  = Even then you are getting a system that is roughly 33% slowere9 than the Opteron system and at least 6.5K more expensive.   7 I say at least because the HP DL585 isn't exactly price 4 competitive as far as Opteron boxes go 20K is a more4 reasonable price and leaves the rx4640 13.5K adrift.  5 Now is being 10% slower and over twice the price lessi5 or more attractive than being 33% slower and 40% moret
 expensive.  5 Its a tough call but lets face it neither prospect is 3 very atractive hence the horrible sales numbers fors1 Itanium. It simply cannot compete price wise withm2 Opteron which costs less, costs less to build into0 a system and has better thermal characteristics.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 05:41:31 GMTn- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>0 Subject: Sun, SAP and Microsoft,@ Message-ID: <d6e17c495868c93ca50d123975cc316e@news.teranews.com>  H Sun has been maming big inroads in canadian schools with its Star OfficeM product. They got a whole bunch of Ontario schools recently, and they alreayd1  have quite a few Qubec schools.  M My newphew has a SUN smart card which he inserts into a SUN "terminal" (would5N it be just an X terminal, or would that be a bona fide workstation) ? and uses@ star office. He is not overly impressed due to slow performance.  M However, it is interesting that by getting schools, Sun may in fact be sewingcL seeds that later on will yield business sales and hurt MS Office in the longI term. And it also shows that if Sun is able to compete against MS Office,2N there is no reason Digital couldn't have done the same a decade earlier with aJ combination of ALL-IN-1 and its Decvwindows applicatiosn such as DECwrite, DECCalc etc.    M Also, it ahs been revealed that Microsoft had been in negotiations to acquireeK SAP. Imagine the impact this would have had. (SAP would have been ported to T Wintel servers and probably abandonned from other servers). Thankfully, this failed.   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:20:06 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)( Subject: TCPIP 5.3 ALPHA: bug or feature$ Message-ID: <ca24jm$hnk$1@online.de>  H Today, my provider had a problem with the SMTP relay server I use, such D that it didn't have a DNS entry.  Since I use this as the alternate I gateway in SMTP, I couldn't send any mail.  The provider later fixed the  . problem, but the problem remained.  Then I did      TCPIP> STOP MAILf      TCPIP> START MAIL  7 and the problem went away.  Is this a bug or a feature.n  H Also, the error message displayed in the log file and to the sender was   "no such user".  Bug or feature?   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 19:14:02 GMTs1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>l, Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.3 ALPHA: bug or feature< Message-ID: <_73xc.4973$9W3.2452@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:0  J > Today, my provider had a problem with the SMTP relay server I use, such F > that it didn't have a DNS entry.  Since I use this as the alternate K > gateway in SMTP, I couldn't send any mail.  The provider later fixed the  0 > problem, but the problem remained.  Then I did >  >    TCPIP> STOP MAILg >  >    TCPIP> START MAIL > 9 > and the problem went away.  Is this a bug or a feature.  > J > Also, the error message displayed in the log file and to the sender was " > "no such user".  Bug or feature? >   G There are some known issues with SMTP mail make sure CTLPAGES is ~1600  C and you have the latest patches for 5.3 installed. ( with no other  D changes, doing these 2 things reduced the frequency with which this J occurred by 90%. just installing the patch alone only reduced it by half.)   Michael Austin   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2004 21:28:09 -0600m+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)RO Subject: The Loon UpChucketh (Was:  Re: Merrill Lynch to HP: Time for a breakup 3 Message-ID: <ly8FquDbEoTP@eisner.encompasserve.org>:  R In article <SO2dnSDJ1PkhXlnd4p2dnA@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:/ > http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5227760.html  > ) > Merrill Lynch to HP: Time for a breakup5 > By Martin LaMonica > CNET News.comt > June 7, 2004, 8:35 AM PT2 > URL: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104-5227760.html >  > L > Longtime Wall Street analyst Steven Milunovich is urging Hewlett-Packard'sC > top management to split the company into two separate businesses.a >   6 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/07/loon_hp_split/  O "We think breaking up HP makes financial as well as business and urge the board(3 to show courage and creativity," Milunovich closed.   O Miloonovich - known here fondly as "The Loon" - has a real knack for timing hisaH recommendations to companies at points when they will generate plenty ofJ personal press. You might recall a certain open letter issued to Sun's CEOO Scott McNealy in which The Loon suggested Sun abandon its SPARC server businessiK - presumably so Sun could receive a later letter about how it had no way toe3 differentiate against other Itanium server vendors.g  I Now, the day before HP's analyst meeting, The Loon vomits up a few bullet)L points on how HP could split into separate companies and expects to be taken
 seriously.  K "Breaking up an $80bn company is a complicated problem that we only brieflyc; cover here," he admitted at one point in the research note.d  N You could say that again, Steve. You might even suggest a research note is theK not best place to lay out such a plan in the first place. How Merrill LynchaB clients benefit from The Loon's extensive day dreams is beyond us.     				Robu   Other Loon ramblings:n  F http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/11/04/sun_shares_jump_on_youngjohns/; http://www.theregister.com/2003/09/17/the_loon_rides_again/-B http://www.theregister.com/2003/07/23/suns_shares_tumble_the_loon/   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 04:58:52 GMT - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>4Y Subject: Re: The Loon UpChucketh (Was:  Re: Merrill Lynch to HP: Time for a breakup breake@ Message-ID: <dca6b507be3c1110500ba89b54961dbb@news.teranews.com>   Rob Young wrote:M > "Breaking up an $80bn company is a complicated problem that we only brieflyh= > cover here," he admitted at one point in the research note.M  E Yet, HP has already begun its breakup when it spun off its true roots 2 (scientific equipment) and focused on wintel crap.  M So HP isn't is a very good position to criticise any recommendations to split  off the company.  M What this wall street casino analyst statement may do is put some pressure onlM HP management to better define its businesses and allow each side to flourishe8 instead of putting sticks into wheels of some divisions.   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:21:20 +0000 (UTC)* From: bleau@UMTOF.UMD.EDU (Lawrence Bleau)7 Subject: Why does idle telnet session get disconnected?a0 Message-ID: <ca2bn0$hig$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>  C I'm getting a user disconnect problem that seems to be dependent onr> the version of VMS we're running.  The problem is that an idleG incoming telnet session from an ISP gets disconnected without warning. e? The idle telnet session could be at the DCL prompt or running auF program, such as MAIL; just no telnet activity.  If the telnet sessionD originated from another system in our group, such as one of our Macs@ or PCs, it's fine.  In particular, if the boss dials up his ISP,F connects to his IP#, and telnets to the main work computer (UMTOF), he
 has problems.   B It cannot be his ISP causing the problem, else the same disconnect< behavior would happen for every idle session, not just some.  F We also thought this was a failure of the Watchdog program we run, butD we stopped the program altogether and the problem persisted, so it'sF clearly not Watchdog.  Besides, our Watchdog is very simple ( read theD source code), and there's no way it can stop a process without first? writing a message to its log file, and the log file had no suchs message.  ? We did notice a correlation with VMS version, though.  Is there-D anything in recent VMS or TCPIP releases that terminates idle telnetB sessions based on some criteria?  Or, has anyone else noticed this% behavior and found a reason/solution?   . Here's the test data (all systems are Alphas):  4 System  VMS     TCPIP           Disconnects the boss# UMTOF   V7.3-2  V5.4 - ECO 1    YESr# UMTOF2  V7.3-2  V5.4 - ECO 1    YESe" UMACE   V7.1-2  V4.2 - ECO 1    NO" UMSMS   V7.1-2  V4.2            NO   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edu-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 01:07:49 GMTt0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>; Subject: Re: Why does idle telnet session get disconnected?k= Message-ID: <Fj8xc.17639$rz4.9118@news-server.bigpond.net.au>r  I Quite possibly this is due to a change in the tcp_keepidle time which was6J made to be RFC compliant.  I think, in UCX V4.2 the default value was 75s,F whereas the RFC required a default of 2 hours.  IIRC, this change tookF effect as of V5.3.  In any case, your VPN is likely not seeing traffic- within its idle timeout and so disconnecting.e  I You can try adjusting the VPN idle timeout to be greater than 2 hours, ora adjust tcp_keepidle with:   (     $ @sys$manager:tcpip$define_commandsH     $ sysconfig -r inet tcp_keepidle 150  ! 75 secs.  (I know some use a value of 600 = 5 minute polls).   L After restarting telnet to pick up this change and verifying this fixes yourB problem, you might like to add this to TCPIP$ETC:SYSCONFIGTAB.DAT.   Matt.    -- s= -------------------------------------------------------------v OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Companye Gold Coast, AUSTRALIA = -------------------------------------------------------------     7 "Lawrence Bleau" <bleau@UMTOF.UMD.EDU> wrote in messagea* news:ca2bn0$hig$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...E > I'm getting a user disconnect problem that seems to be dependent onu@ > the version of VMS we're running.  The problem is that an idleH > incoming telnet session from an ISP gets disconnected without warning.A > The idle telnet session could be at the DCL prompt or running a H > program, such as MAIL; just no telnet activity.  If the telnet sessionF > originated from another system in our group, such as one of our MacsB > or PCs, it's fine.  In particular, if the boss dials up his ISP,H > connects to his IP#, and telnets to the main work computer (UMTOF), he > has problems.r >gD > It cannot be his ISP causing the problem, else the same disconnect> > behavior would happen for every idle session, not just some. >hH > We also thought this was a failure of the Watchdog program we run, butF > we stopped the program altogether and the problem persisted, so it'sH > clearly not Watchdog.  Besides, our Watchdog is very simple ( read theF > source code), and there's no way it can stop a process without firstA > writing a message to its log file, and the log file had no such 
 > message. >oA > We did notice a correlation with VMS version, though.  Is thereeF > anything in recent VMS or TCPIP releases that terminates idle telnetD > sessions based on some criteria?  Or, has anyone else noticed this' > behavior and found a reason/solution?. > 0 > Here's the test data (all systems are Alphas): >n6 > System  VMS     TCPIP           Disconnects the boss% > UMTOF   V7.3-2  V5.4 - ECO 1    YESo% > UMTOF2  V7.3-2  V5.4 - ECO 1    YESo$ > UMACE   V7.1-2  V4.2 - ECO 1    NO$ > UMSMS   V7.1-2  V4.2            NO >h > Lawrence Bleau > University of Maryland$ > Physics Dept., Space Physics Group > 301-405-6223 > bleau@umtof.umd.edu    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 05:21:33 GMTt- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> # Subject: Xwindows: SAVE-AS questiona@ Message-ID: <64c27b7d152ef3dc080e8aac382aa8f0@news.teranews.com>  E When adding a SAVE-AS... menu item in an xwindows program, should oneBL a- use a full fledged file selection menu to allow directory traversal etc, E b- or should one just supply a simple dialog asking for a file name ?e  L In the case of a file selection dialogue (VMS specific), any recommendationsG on options that should be turned on/off to simplify the dialogue ? (for @ instance, would it be right to remove the file filter section ?   N In the case of a simple dialogue that asks for a file name, should the defaultI directory be assumed to be sys$login (the home directory for that user) ?   M (In my case, the data to be stored comes from aome library that could be in aiZ system directory, so it isn't obvious that one would want to SAVE-AS into that directory).   Any comments ?   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 21:23:17 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)( Subject: [OpenVMS V7.3-2] Mount question1 Message-ID: <newscache$l4jyyh$4c31$1@news.sil.at>u  H You might already know, I have a Shadowset of 2 160GB IDE Disks (with an> ACARD SCSI-IDE Adapter) running on my PWS for over a year now.  G Today I tried to boot a satellite from the PWS as bootserver and failedn( to mount the (user disk) shadow set with  X %MOUNT-I-OPRQST, mount or dismount in progress on device, $DSAdevice$IN_SET lock failureC %MOUNT-F-BATCHNOOPR, no operator available to service batch request   I Despite the fact, that no operator was enabled (you know, the old problem(L where the OPC$OPA0_ENABLE logical is defined as TRUE but OPA0 doesn't enableM on clustered workstations) does the lock error message tell anything to you ?G   TIAi   -Peter  H PS: As a DSAx isn't serveable and the satellite seems to can't mount the: shadowset members itself, it is currently short of luck... -- 0 Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialistg E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.316 ************************