1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 09 Jun 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 318       Contents: Re: Cluster disk mount problem Re: DEC PWS RAM  Re: DEC PWS RAM  Re: DEC PWS RAM  Re: DEC PWS RAM  Re: DEC PWS RAM ! Re: DECnet-Plus DECdts Management ! Re: DECnet-Plus DECdts Management  Re: few questions  Re: Not adding up?& Re: OpenVMS Primer for System Managers9 Re: pdp11/05 complete system available; John  Wisniewski. # Re: Start Ingres with VAX time back  Re: Storing system files in CMS 3 Re: Sun To Open Source Solaris ... sort of ...maybe # Re: TCPIP 5.3 ALPHA: bug or feature L Re: The Loon UpChucketh (Was:  Re: Merrill Lynch to HP: Time for a   breakupP Re: The Loon UpChucketh (Was:  Re: Merrill Lynch to HP: Time for a   breakup a  K Re: The Loon UpChucketh (Was:  Re: Merrill Lynch to HP: Time for a  breakup J Re: The Loon UpChucketh (Was:  Re: Merrill Lynch to HP: Time for a breakupP Re: The Loon UpChucketh (Was:  Re: Merrill Lynch to HP: Time for a breakup break4 Re: Where have all the rec.travel.air regulars gone?4 Re: Where have all the rec.travel.air regulars gone?4 Re: Where have all the rec.travel.air regulars gone?4 Re: Where have all the rec.travel.air regulars gone?4 Re: Where have all the rec.travel.air regulars gone?4 Re: Where have all the rec.travel.air regulars gone?4 Re: Where have all the rec.travel.air regulars gone?4 Re: Where have all the rec.travel.air regulars gone?4 Re: Where have all the rec.travel.air regulars gone?4 Re: Where have all the rec.travel.air regulars gone?4 Re: Where have all the rec.travel.air regulars gone? Re: Xwindows: SAVE-AS question# Re: [OpenVMS V7.3-2] Mount question # Re: [OpenVMS V7.3-2] Mount question # Re: [OpenVMS V7.3-2] Mount question   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 20:29:05 GMT ) From: Alfred Falk <falk@arc.REMOVE.ab.ca> ' Subject: Re: Cluster disk mount problem 8 Message-ID: <Xns9502936282F8falkarcabca@198.161.157.145>  - Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in   news:ca1fv1$o8u$1@lore.csc.com:    > Alfred Falk wrote: >>  0 >> Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in! >> news:c9p9ld$el$1@lore.csc.com:  >>   > ' >> > Go into SDA on the running system:  >> > >> > $ ANAL/SYS  >> > >> > SDA> SH LAN/COU >> >  H >> Current symptom:  erratically bad performance at times.  At bad timesA >> I have seen processes show up either RWSCS or PFW.  (Latter is H >> puzzling to me as physical memory is more than sufficient and working >> sets are adequate.) > F > RWSCS is *largely* caused by cluster communication delays - ResourceG > Wait (on) System Communication Services. Typically heavy locking, and B > particularly if your system is doing lock directory lookups to a	 > remote    # >>> The only odd item is I see from  >>   SDA> SHOW LAN COUNTER >> is  >>   CRC errors           10642 ) >> (All other VMS nodes show 0 for this.)  >>  G >> Network manager has noticed "Late collision errors" for this node on H >> CISCO switch.  Description suggests hardware problem, possibly cablesF >> and connectors.  Latter is unlikely.  I suppose I can try replacing >> DE600 with old DE500.  F I replaced the Ethernet adapter, now CRC errors stay at 0 and cluster - (and other network) performance is excellent.   B Re-interpreting old observations suggests that this card has been F failing intermittently for several months, and likely deteriorating.  I However, the cluster re-configuration, which removed the DSSI connection  I from this node, forced it to rely on ethernet for cluster communincation  E and thereby exposed the problem at a level that could not be ignored.   I Incidentally, SHOW ERROR on the _other_ nodes occasionally showed bursts  E of errors on PEA0, but nothing ever showed up on the guilty hardware.   & Thanks to all who offered suggestions!   --  @ ----------------------------------------------------------------A   A L B E R T A         Alfred Falk               falk@arc.ab.ca  @ R E S E A R C H         Information Systems Dept   (780)450-5185+   C O U N C I L         250 Karl Clark Road 1                         Edmonton, Alberta, Canada  http://www.arc.ab.ca/   T6N 1E4   http://www.arc.ab.ca/staff/falk/   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2004 17:33:16 GMT  From: healyzh@aracnet.com  Subject: Re: DEC PWS RAM, Message-ID: <ca4t8s018l3@enews2.newsguy.com>   sms@antinode.org wrote: 4 > From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb)  " > > Check your specs, my friend.  2 > > Don't be fooled by what you can cram in there.J > > That last half a gig won't do you any good unless you're running Tru64 > > or (Ack!) NT- + > > PW433au + OpenVMS = 1GB maximum memory.   I That would explain why until a few months ago I was thinking that the Max > was 1GB.  I've been wondering why I thought that was the case.  N > Physical Memory Usage (pages):     Total        Free      In Use    ModifiedN >   Main Memory (1.50GB)            196608      126644       66811        3153  P > Of the physical pages in use, 6189 pages are permanently allocated to OpenVMS.  . > ALP2 $ write sys$output f$getsyi( "version") > V7.3-1  E >   Or do you claim that a 433au is that much lamer than than a 500a?   I It could be that the 1GB Max is like the 384MB Max on an AlphaStation 200 K (mine currently has 640MB).  Next time I have the system down I'll give the 7 1.5GB of brand new Kingston RAM I was just given a try.    		Zane   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2004 14:14:34 -0700 & From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) Subject: Re: DEC PWS RAM= Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0406081314.284087b9@posting.google.com>    From memory:  C Old PC100 memory was capable of running on PC66 systems.  Old PC133 E memory was capable of running on PC100 systems, and some few types of ; PC133 could actually run on PC66 systems.  As manufacturing = improvements came in it became uneconomical to keep using the D 'downward compatible' chips on the DIMM boards, so later PC100 wouldC not run reliably on PC66, and newer PC133 would not run reliably on  PC100.  D I remember reading that the memory bus on Alpha PWS's ran at 83MHz. A I'm pretty sure the older PC100 (as long as it was ECC (and CL2?) @ would work, but some of the newer stuff was not reliable at that speed.  B BTW I have 1GB, 512MB (2x256) of original DEC and 512MB (4x128) ofC Crucial, which has been 100% reliable; never had the opportunity to  run (or need) more.    Rich CCS    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2004 14:39:11 -0700 2 From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb) Subject: Re: DEC PWS RAM= Message-ID: <bf98c417.0406081339.7e8e2c19@posting.google.com>   M healyzh@aracnet.com wrote in message news:<ca4t8s018l3@enews2.newsguy.com>...  > sms@antinode.org wrote: 6 > > From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb) >   $ > > > Check your specs, my friend.  4 > > > Don't be fooled by what you can cram in there.L > > > That last half a gig won't do you any good unless you're running Tru64 > > > or (Ack!) NT- - > > > PW433au + OpenVMS = 1GB maximum memory.  > K > That would explain why until a few months ago I was thinking that the Max @ > was 1GB.  I've been wondering why I thought that was the case. > P > > Physical Memory Usage (pages):     Total        Free      In Use    ModifiedP > >   Main Memory (1.50GB)            196608      126644       66811        3153 >   R > > Of the physical pages in use, 6189 pages are permanently allocated to OpenVMS. >   0 > > ALP2 $ write sys$output f$getsyi( "version")
 > > V7.3-1 >   G > >   Or do you claim that a 433au is that much lamer than than a 500a?  > K > It could be that the 1GB Max is like the 384MB Max on an AlphaStation 200 M > (mine currently has 640MB).  Next time I have the system down I'll give the 9 > 1.5GB of brand new Kingston RAM I was just given a try.  >  > 		Zane  > Don't take *my* word for it- this is from the 1998 QuickSpecs:  > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/SOC/QB00SDPF.PDF     Step 5 - Memory (Optional)   i-Series Memory   5   i-Series [stuff snipped 'cuz we really don't care].    a-Series and au-Series Memory   O a- and au- series support three memory options (3 DIMM banks with 2 slots each)   2 SN-MSP01-HB      32 MB ECC SDRAM DIMMs (2 x 16 MB)2 SN-MSP01-HC      64 MB ECC SDRAM DIMMs (2 x 32 MB)2 SN-MSP01-HD     128 MB ECC SDRAM DIMMs (2 x 64 MB)3 SN-MSP01-HE     256 MB ECC SDRAM DIMMs (2 x 128 MB) 3 SN-MSP01-HF(1)  512 MB ECC SDRAM DIMMs (2 x 256 MB)   9 (1) OpenVMS systems support maximum of 1 GB total memory.   $ a-Series and au-Series Cache Memory  Supported in MLB cache slot.  # SN-MSC01-AB 2 MB Level 3 SRAM cache # SN-MSC01-AC 4 MB Level 3 SRAM cache   
 =============  WWWebb   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:13:49 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org Subject: Re: DEC PWS RAM) Message-ID: <04060818134932@antinode.org>   2 From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb)  @ > Don't take *my* word for it- this is from the 1998 QuickSpecs: > [...] ; > (1) OpenVMS systems support maximum of 1 GB total memory.  > [...]   .    That must explain the crash this afternoon:  9 MFYNULPGFL, FREWSLE - no backing store, page not modified   D Or, perhaps not.  In any case, I think I'll take my chances with theF 1.5GB until I get word from a source more recent than one contemporary with VMS V7.1-1H2.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jun 2004 03:15:08 GMT  From: healyzh@aracnet.com  Subject: Re: DEC PWS RAM+ Message-ID: <ca5vbs0hp0@enews1.newsguy.com>   3 William Webb <williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com> wrote: O > healyzh@aracnet.com wrote in message news:<ca4t8s018l3@enews2.newsguy.com>... M > > It could be that the 1GB Max is like the 384MB Max on an AlphaStation 200 O > > (mine currently has 640MB).  Next time I have the system down I'll give the ; > > 1.5GB of brand new Kingston RAM I was just given a try.  > >  > >               Zane  @ > Don't take *my* word for it- this is from the 1998 QuickSpecs:  @ > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/SOC/QB00SDPF.PDF  K I don't doubt that the *specs* say that you can't have more than 1GB RAM in H the system if you're running OpenVMS.  My point is that there are peopleI doing it, and this limitation could very well be something like the 384MB L Max limitation on AlphaStation 200 4/233's.  In other words it could be thatH the specs are incorrect.  Its also possible that the ability to run withJ greater than 1GB might depend on the revision of PWS (sort of like the IDE issues).  H Basically, who knows if I can get my system to work with 1.5GB RAM, if IJ can't, nothing lost more than a little time, if I can, I'll have plenty of
 extra RAM.   		Zane   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:34:01 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)* Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus DECdts Management1 Message-ID: <newscache$bq80zh$7fl1$1@news.sil.at>   p In article <Pl5xc.4795$b64.1978@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes:: >be warned, there is an NTP patch out for EV79 processors 7 >(ES47/80/GS1280) so that it calculates time correctly.   A What EV79 ? I only know of an EV7 (which is in fact a EV78) and a " planned (for this year) EV7z chip.6 The EV79 was unfortunately cancelled, I was told here.  4 What ECO ? Do you mean TCPIP V5.4 ECO 1 which states  2         The following NTP problem is fixed in V5.4  ?         Problem: When running on certain high-performance Alpha >         systems, NTP may be unable to adjust the system clock;;         therefore, NTP will not be able to provide accurate ;         timekeeping. When this happens, the following error ,         message appears in the NTP log file:  9         %SYSTEM-F-BADLOGIC, internal logic error detected B         VMS timekeeping is not working as expected - can't proceed  <         Solution: This problem was corrected in the previous@         release of the product; however, the Version 5.4 Release:         Notes did not indicate the problem had been fixed.     --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 21:11:19 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> * Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus DECdts Management< Message-ID: <XXpxc.3511$4Z1.3052@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:r > In article <Pl5xc.4795$b64.1978@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes: > ; >>be warned, there is an NTP patch out for EV79 processors  8 >>(ES47/80/GS1280) so that it calculates time correctly. >  > C > What EV79 ? I only know of an EV7 (which is in fact a EV78) and a $ > planned (for this year) EV7z chip.8 > The EV79 was unfortunately cancelled, I was told here.    E my mistake -- sorry to have worried you..  This NTP fix was only for  G Marvel-Class systems.  So I believe that would be EV7.   TCPIP 5.3 and  D looks like it missed the intial 5.4 release based on the text below.   > 6 > What ECO ? Do you mean TCPIP V5.4 ECO 1 which states > 4 >         The following NTP problem is fixed in V5.4 > A >         Problem: When running on certain high-performance Alpha @ >         systems, NTP may be unable to adjust the system clock;= >         therefore, NTP will not be able to provide accurate = >         timekeeping. When this happens, the following error . >         message appears in the NTP log file: > ; >         %SYSTEM-F-BADLOGIC, internal logic error detected D >         VMS timekeeping is not working as expected - can't proceed > > >         Solution: This problem was corrected in the previousB >         release of the product; however, the Version 5.4 Release< >         Notes did not indicate the problem had been fixed. >    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2004 13:56:45 -0700 - From: soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume)  Subject: Re: few questions= Message-ID: <f401eb7f.0406081256.25c1b49e@posting.google.com>   < koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:1 > soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume) writes:  > > F > > Barry, yes and no.  I have to respectfully disagree.  UNIX and VMSF > > perform mostly the same functionality but do it in a different wayH > > (e.g.: filesystem, user interface, etcetera).  Take the command line > > interface for instance:  > > E >    Get real.  UNIX was designed from the bottom up as a timesharing G >    system.  VMS was designed as a general pupose system:  it has both E >    timesharing and realtime capabilities designed in.  Anyone who's A >    done "realtime" on UNIX knows what functionality is lacking.    Bob,  E Maybe I am tired and grumpy from the almost forty hours I have put in E on a project since Sunday night, but the "Get Real" just doesn't seem F respectful.  As someone who has worked on programs that interface with? plant floor controllers in real-time from both OpenVMS and UNIX > systems, I do have a familiarity with the capabilities of bothF operating systems.  As a user, developer, administrator, operator, and< other functions, my favorite platform to work on is OpenVMS.  @ A newbie was asking about VMS.  Various people responded.  BarryD provided a lot of good and useful information.  However, I disagreedB with his opinion that OpenVMS was so radically different from UNIXD that from a user/coder perspective it would be impossible to "get upA to speed [] over-night."  I was able to crossover my experiences D between the platforms.  I have hired UNIX developers for the OpenVMSB only environment I work in now.  It was not too difficult for themD (and we use programmatically ASTs, global sections, mailboxes, eventC flags, logical names, timer queue entries, RMS, LIB$*, and SYS$*).  ? The environments are more akin than say the IBM 360/370 DOS VSE . COBOL/CICS system I worked on a long time ago.  B Again from a user/programmer perspective (the point that was being made), I feel that:   ; > While there are fundamental differences on how they work  = > (creating some usage nuances that will need to be learned), < > a UNIX knowledgeable user/developer can easily move around< > an OpenVMS system by simply using HELP.  Think of it like ' > another language (i.e.: blau = blue).    JMOD   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2004 22:36:00 -0700 ' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson)  Subject: Re: Not adding up? = Message-ID: <734da31c.0406082136.2da4c227@posting.google.com>   p Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove_harrison@__sun.com> wrote in message news:<ca4l3r$ius$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... > David Svensson wrote: u > > Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message news:<ca3utj$dqf$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > >  > >>Karsten Nyblad wrote:  > >> > >>K > >>>"Andrew Harrison" <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message / > >>>news:ca2g1r$59u$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...  > >>>  > >>> = > >>>>I say at least because the HP DL585 isn't exactly price : > >>>>competitive as far as Opteron boxes go 20K is a more: > >>>>reasonable price and leaves the rx4640 13.5K adrift. > >>>  > >>> N > >>>The DL585 is a rather expensive design, with each processor placed on itsG > >>>own rather board.  That allows for having 8 dimm slots for RAM per Q > >>>processor, where all other designs, that I have seen, allows for 2 or 4 dimm P > >>>slots per processor.  No wonder DL 585 is rather expensive.  If you want toP > >>>compare DL585 with other opteron servers, then you have to compare machinesQ > >>>fully equipped with main storage (RAM), because on DL585 you can get 16GB in M > >>>1/2GB RAM blocks where you need to use 1 or 2GB blocks on other designs.  > >>>  > >>>  > >> > >>D > >>That only makes the comparison worse because HP charge a premium > >>for memory.  > >>@ > >>The going rate for an 4 way 32 GB Opteron server is ~28K the" > >>same config in a DL585 is 52K. > >  > > J > > Tier-1 vendors are usually more expensive than whitebox vendors. HP isI > > thus far the only major 4-way vendor and is apparently in position to A > > set the price for good profit. HPs price may change when more E > > competition join in. One major complaint I have heard from people J > > wanting to buy Opteron motherboards and make their own boxes or buyingE > > from non-Tier-1 is that the motherboards don't have enough memory 
 > > capacity.  > >  > " > Who said white box pricing ????? > H > > BTW. Suns 2-way Opteron box look very expensive compared to HPs (and > > IBM) 2-Way Opteron boxes.  > > > Rubbish, the IBM and Sun boxes are about the same price, the> > HP is cheaper and its cheaper for a very good reason .... it? > damn well should be. It only has 1 PCI slot and it uses fixed ? > ATA drives rather than removable Ultra320 drives like the Sun  > and the IBM.  . You validated my point, which was not rubbish.? And with a closer look IBM's boxes look much cheaper than Suns.    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2004 11:30:25 -0700 & From: twnews@kittles.com (Thomas Wirt)/ Subject: Re: OpenVMS Primer for System Managers = Message-ID: <b3531425.0406081030.1679956a@posting.google.com>    warren sander wrote:F > in answer the to question.. Yes I know what's wrong.. I'm an idiot.. > J > well not that much but I put our metrics javascript on every page and it > broke something.N > It's my fault for only checking the netscape version and not the IE version. > K > I've backed the code out (actually restored a copy of it from my archives  > and it seems to  > be working again). > K > I don't know what the status of the primer will be in the future as it is  > very 'compaq' and weM > are now 'HP'. I've requested to have it re-written, updated and branded but  > that is not happening. > 2 > If you do like the primer please respond back... > 	 > -warren   C I use all the time.  I require that all new IS employees go through C it.  It is a wonderful resource for beginners!  Please continue it.    Thomas Wirt  Systems Manager  Kittle's Home Furnishings  Indianapolis, IN   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 21:47:22 +0200 ( From: Renaissance <glucasole@tiscali.it>B Subject: Re: pdp11/05 complete system available; John  Wisniewski.* Message-ID: <2imjdvFoi6n1U1@uni-berlin.de>   Norman Lastovica wrote:   4 > The 11/20 was the first PDP 11 model produced.  In7 > school, I used serial number 166 (ie, the 66th PDP11   > off the line).  3 I'm young... i used a 11/23 rsx11m+, '83-'86.   :-)    bye G.L.   --  1  E' assolutamente evidente che l'arte del cinema 9   si ispira alla vita, mentre la vita si ispira alla TV  
 (Woody Allen)    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 17:41:10 GMT - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: Start Ingres with VAX time back@ Message-ID: <4923779675215143660f118938dfe129@news.teranews.com>   Sukanta wrote: > H > I found that if the Ingres license has already been expired then it isE > possible to start the Ingres with the VAX reboot by setting the VAX 3 > time back to a period when the license was valid.    You do not need to reboot.   $SET TIME="08-JUN-1994 15:30"  $LICENSE LOAD product name   then run your application.  L If the product uses the VMS lincences, you can do LICENSE LIST/FULL and this9 will procide you with termination dates for each licence.   M If the product doesn't use VMS licenses, then you may not be able to find the  real termination date.  K Once you are finished with the product, you can simply set the time back to 
 today's date.   L One thing to be careful about such time changes: while you are back in time,M none of the scheduled batch jobs will run since they are now scheduled to run M in a few years time. If you stay too long in the past, when you return to the M present, a whole bunch of batch jobs that would have run progressively during E the time you were in the past will now be unleashed at the same time.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:56:14 -0400. From: "Jim Mickalide" <mickalide@adelphia.net>( Subject: Re: Storing system files in CMS1 Message-ID: <CsqdnRF3a--y_VvdRVn-vg@adelphia.com>   K With CMS 3.8 and 3.9 there were some file type issues when storing into CMS G . The newer versions 4.1 and 4.2 fixed a lot of file storage and verify  repair issues.      -Jim-      5 "Phil Pulley" <pulley_p@hotmail.com> wrote in message 7 news:7041fc41.0406080041.77c41e3d@posting.google.com... 5 > pulley_p@hotmail.com (Phil Pulley) wrote in message 9 news:<7041fc41.0406062359.54f662a8@posting.google.com>... A > > David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message ' news:<40C38785.E15FC0D3@comcast.net>...  > > > David J Dachtera wrote:  > > > >  > > > > Phil Pulley wrote:	 > > > > > C > > > > > I am trying to store the following system files in CMS... 	 > > > > >  > > > > > Sysuaf.dat > > > > > Vms$audit_server.dat > > > > > vue$profile.vue$dat 	 > > > > > ) > > > > > ...but it doesn't seem to work. 	 > > > > > K > > > > > I can (apparently)create the element OK but, when I try and fetch  orK > > > > > reserve it CMS terminates & the file is not retrieved (I am using  the E > > > > > Decwindows front end to access CMS) however - I can store &  retrieve > > > > > text files OK.F > > > > > I suspect that CMS does not handle this type of file but the manuals . > > > > > do not confirm that this is the case > > > > ? > > > > I'd be curious as to what the value of this would be...  > > > E > > > Am I to conclude by the lack of response that this is merely an - > > > exercise, and holds no practical value?  > > >  > > > D.J.D. > >  > > Apologies for late response  > > I > > My reason for attempting to store these files in CMS is as follows...  > > I > > We have several stand-alone Alpha workstations at different locations + > > running a Satcomms related application. G > > These all need to be configured the same way in terms of user id's, I > > audit setup and applications available during Decwin sessions - thus, C > > to achieve this,  the files listed need to be installed on each  > > workstation. > > F > > As all the application source code etc. comprising the baseline isH > > stored in a set of CMS libraries I thought it would be neat to store' > > these system files in the same way.  > > G > > Obviously this is not essential, they could be stored outside CMS - C > > however I could not see any reason why I should NOT be able to.  > >  > > Hope this clarifies things.  > > E > > I shall now try some of the suggestions in earlier posts to try & , > > resolve the problems & post the results. > > 
 > > Phil P >  > ' > No luck resolving this unfortunately!  > G > I have tried increasing quota's as suggested in various posts but the  > problem remains unaffected.  > < > As a previous poster managed to store/retrieve these filesE > successfully it is obviously a problem with the configuration of my * > system or the version of CMS I am using. > E > However.... I have no more time to spend on it and will store these  > files outside of CMS.  > ( > Thanks for the interest & suggestions. >  >  > Phil P   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:22:57 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>< Subject: Re: Sun To Open Source Solaris ... sort of ...maybe2 Message-ID: <XrKdnWyuYYu-11vdRVn-gg@metrocast.net>  F "Andrew Harrison" <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message* news:ca1f2f$gth$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... > Bill Todd wrote: > 2 > > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message* > > news:pemdnQneyfJ_bV3dRVn-jg@igs.net... > >  > > L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1209&e=5&u=/nf/24366&sid=95 > > 
 > >>573734 > >  > > K > > That's nice, I guess.  But I'm more interested in the new 'dynamic file J > > system' that they just announced, which at least claims to support the kinds L > > of features I've been suggesting for years:  anyone seen any substantive: > > information on it yet (I didn't find any more than the@ > > press-release/high-level-manager comments stuff at sun.com)? > >  > A > Access to Solaris Dynamic Filesystem AKA ZFS can be had through ? > the Software Express Program which gives people with existing = > Solaris licenses access to the latest builds of Solaris 10.   F What I'm looking for is access to *information* about the Dynamic FileF System.  I did hear mentioned somewhere that it was a rebadged/updatedE version of a previous Sun file system, but don't know if that's true.    - bill   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:45:10 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply), Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.3 ALPHA: bug or feature$ Message-ID: <ca5505$f9p$1@online.de>  D In article <_73xc.4973$9W3.2452@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>, Michael, Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes:   I > There are some known issues with SMTP mail make sure CTLPAGES is ~1600  E > and you have the latest patches for 5.3 installed. ( with no other  F > changes, doing these 2 things reduced the frequency with which this L > occurred by 90%. just installing the patch alone only reduced it by half.)  G Wouldn't it be nice if the installation warned that the CTLPAGES value  H is too low (assuming this is the problem)?  (Now, I have 100 on VAX and  256 on ALPHA.)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:57:12 -0600  From: "Dan Notov" <danno@hp.com>U Subject: Re: The Loon UpChucketh (Was:  Re: Merrill Lynch to HP: Time for a   breakup , Message-ID: <40c68c33$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  F "Andrew Harrison" <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message* news:ca5f9q$s9b$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... > JF Mezei wrote:  > > Dan Notov wrote: > > I > >>Not true. Both ESG and PSG have been profitable operations. Can't say  the  > >>same for Sun as a whole. > >  > >  > > F > > Enterprise was losing money for a long while and has just recently stopped  > > losing money.  > >  > A > Repeat after me the ESG has not stopped losing money 20 times !  > A > HP have simply changed the way they calculate the ESG's P&L and E > unless you think that all the ESG developers go to work for nothing B > and that their facilites cost nothing then ESG still turns in an? > very predictable loss every quarter. As does the PC division. K Show me where on the income statement or balance sheet you see this. R&D is H one thing. Product Development and Engineering is another. ESG & PSG areK responsible for their own balance sheets & P&L. If they don't perform, they  get whacked.  L Meanwhile, Sun loses money quarter after quarter after quarter.  And revenue is slipping as well.  : [Queue Sun's "color of money" spin about writedowns, etc.]   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 23:40:57 +0100 9 From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> Y Subject: Re: The Loon UpChucketh (Was:  Re: Merrill Lynch to HP: Time for a   breakup a   0 Message-ID: <ca5f9q$s9b$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Dan Notov wrote: > K >>Not true. Both ESG and PSG have been profitable operations. Can't say the  >>same for Sun as a whole. >  >  > L > Enterprise was losing money for a long while and has just recently stopped > losing money.  >   ? Repeat after me the ESG has not stopped losing money 20 times !   ? HP have simply changed the way they calculate the ESG's P&L and C unless you think that all the ESG developers go to work for nothing @ and that their facilites cost nothing then ESG still turns in an= very predictable loss every quarter. As does the PC division.    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:25:41 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> T Subject: Re: The Loon UpChucketh (Was:  Re: Merrill Lynch to HP: Time for a  breakup, Message-ID: <poydnZiX65koj1vd4p2dnA@igs.net>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message: news:e995da08ffacb304be8ccb505cb787c5@news.teranews.com... > Dan Notov wrote:I > > Not true. Both ESG and PSG have been profitable operations. Can't say  the  > > same for Sun as a whole. >  > L > Enterprise was losing money for a long while and has just recently stopped > losing money.  > K > And I strongly suspect that all the money spent for that IA64 thing (chip  and D > systems) is just being written off instead of being charged to the
 enterpriseJ > group. So if the true costs of IA64 were to be charged to the enterprise: > group, I suspect that the financials would be worse off. > J > (Of course, those costs are probably not as bad as they truly are due toK > subsidies from Intel to help port VMS, True64 and NSK to IA64. (wonder if  HPJ > was able to redirect the Tru64 subsidies to HP-UX, or if those were lost when1 > HP annoucned Tru64 wouldn't be ported to IA64).     L FASB rules permit a company to expense vs. capitalize and then write-down atJ different times during a product development cycle. Reasearch expenses areJ just that - expenses and can be written off entirely in the year incurred.  J Development (ie. you are past the research phase and are getting ready forL production) is capitalized and then written-off on a declining balance basis# over the regulated number of years.   D The Itanic long passed the research phase (mostly) though some legitL research is still occuring, so whatever HP's 'share' of Itanic ownership (if any) is now capitalized.  I Writing-off expenses today boosts the bottom line due to lowering taxable  income.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:12:15 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> S Subject: Re: The Loon UpChucketh (Was:  Re: Merrill Lynch to HP: Time for a breakup , Message-ID: <rNudncLo7rhdpFvdRVn-vA@igs.net>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:ly8FquDbEoTP@eisner.encompasserve.org... L > In article <SO2dnSDJ1PkhXlnd4p2dnA@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: 1 > > http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5227760.html  > > + > > Merrill Lynch to HP: Time for a breakup  > > By Martin LaMonica > > CNET News.com  > > June 7, 2004, 8:35 AM PT4 > > URL: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104-5227760.html > >  > > < > > Longtime Wall Street analyst Steven Milunovich is urging Hewlett-Packard's E > > top management to split the company into two separate businesses.  > >  > 8 > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/07/loon_hp_split/ > K > "We think breaking up HP makes financial as well as business and urge the  board 5 > to show courage and creativity," Milunovich closed.  > F > Miloonovich - known here fondly as "The Loon" - has a real knack for
 timing hisJ > recommendations to companies at points when they will generate plenty ofL > personal press. You might recall a certain open letter issued to Sun's CEOH > Scott McNealy in which The Loon suggested Sun abandon its SPARC server businessJ > - presumably so Sun could receive a later letter about how it had no way to5 > differentiate against other Itanium server vendors.  > K > Now, the day before HP's analyst meeting, The Loon vomits up a few bullet H > points on how HP could split into separate companies and expects to be taken  > seriously. > E > "Breaking up an $80bn company is a complicated problem that we only  briefly = > cover here," he admitted at one point in the research note.  > L > You could say that again, Steve. You might even suggest a research note is the G > not best place to lay out such a plan in the first place. How Merrill  Lynch D > clients benefit from The Loon's extensive day dreams is beyond us.    K Actually he appears to be calling for a reversal of the Compaq takeover and K reverting to a position Walter Hewlett was advocating - HP being a printing L & imaging company and to stretch the point....Compaq buys HP's PC and server; business, kills HP-UX and runs all the servers on Alpha ;-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 17:48:00 GMT - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Y Subject: Re: The Loon UpChucketh (Was:  Re: Merrill Lynch to HP: Time for a breakup break @ Message-ID: <e995da08ffacb304be8ccb505cb787c5@news.teranews.com>   Dan Notov wrote:K > Not true. Both ESG and PSG have been profitable operations. Can't say the  > same for Sun as a whole.    J Enterprise was losing money for a long while and has just recently stopped
 losing money.   M And I strongly suspect that all the money spent for that IA64 thing (chip and M systems) is just being written off instead of being charged to the enterprise H group. So if the true costs of IA64 were to be charged to the enterprise8 group, I suspect that the financials would be worse off.  H (Of course, those costs are probably not as bad as they truly are due toL subsidies from Intel to help port VMS, True64 and NSK to IA64. (wonder if HPM was able to redirect the Tru64 subsidies to HP-UX, or if those were lost when / HP annoucned Tru64 wouldn't be ported to IA64).    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:55:07 -0400 . From: Gary L. Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com>= Subject: Re: Where have all the rec.travel.air regulars gone? 8 Message-ID: <ca51st$dan$7@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>  7 On Tue,  8 Jun 2004 16:40:09 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio  <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:   $ >JF Mezei <nobody@nobody.org> wrote: >  >>ERIKG3 wrote:  >>> - >>> JF?  Wei Lun, Mike Voight, Bill Mattocks?  >> >>Left because of my trolling. > $ >Yup......  Except Voight of course,  F Still can't get that remailer thing right, eh coward.  Didja know yer'D over BI=20 with these?  Hehehe. So you're a coward AND a net abuser. No wonder you post anonymously.    ------------------------------  , Date: Tue,  8 Jun 2004 19:30:12 +0200 (CEST)% From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> = Subject: Re: Where have all the rec.travel.air regulars gone? 8 Message-ID: <a40d4871d54a118ca89e1aaec5654c96@dizum.com>  $ JF Mezei <nobody@nobody.org> wrote :   >ERIKG3 wrote: >>  , >> JF?  Wei Lun, Mike Voight, Bill Mattocks? >  >Left because of my trolling.   F Yup......  Except Voight of course, but his employer is taking care ofB him.  JF has no employer, he sits in his mommy's apartment all dayD long jerking off while his mommy has to clean toilets to support JF.   FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS    About JF MEZEI  $ The "nobody" troll of rec.travel.air   (Rev. May 20, 2004)    1.  Who is JF Mezei?  C Jean-Francois Mezei is the worst netkook and megatroll to have ever C hit rec.travel.air and various other usenet newsgroups.  He is also 4 one of the longest running trolls in usenet history.  C ***WARNING:  JF MEZEI IS A ROGUE CANCELLER.  HE FORGES THE NAME AND C E-MAIL ADDRESS OF USENET POSTERS HE DOES NOT AGREE WITH AND CANCELS  THEIR MESSAGES.***  E If you participate in the same newsgroups he does, you should monitor E the control.cancel newsgroup.  If you find that he has cancelled your < messages, forward a copies of them to abuse@teksavvy.com and abuse@teranews.com .  " 2.  How long has he been trolling?   For well over a decade.    3.  Where does he live?    Montreal, Quebec, Canada   Jean-Francois Mezei  86 Harwood Gate  Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3  (514) 695-8259  2 His current e-mail address is jfmezei@teksavvy.com  * 4.  What makes him such a malicious troll?  C His trolling is constant, repetitious, relentless.  Once he invades D your newsgroup he will stay for decades, troll around the clock, dayF in and day out, every day of the year, for years and years on end.  He@ does not listen to pleas to stop, he does not listen to anything4 anyone tells him, he does not pay attention when theA misinformation/disinformation he posts is corrected, he just goes C right on trolling year in, year out like a little child holding his F ears closed while yelling "I can't hear you, I can't hear anything you say!"    5.  What does he troll about?   F His favorite subjects are USA-bashing and anything to do with sex.  HeB hates the USA and Americans and will hijack any thread and turn itC into a USA-bashing fest.  If he can't do that then he'll just start  making lewd posts.  $ 6.  What does he hate about the USA?  E Everything!  He is part of a larger group of Canadian trolls who have E a visceral hatred of the USA, motivated by envy mostly.  The USA is a B happier, better, more successful version of their country and they> can't stand it.  Some of JF's favorite troll bait is "the BushC regime", "the Bush-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz axis of evil", "Americans are B brainwashed", "Cars are evil", "SUVs are evil", "all Americans are stupid" etc.  # 7.  What about his sexual trolling?   E Ah, that is JF at his trolling best.  No sexual topic is too bizarre. > Among his favorites are child sexuality, masturbation, women'sA genitalia, sex toys, circumcision, the sex lives of Americans (of   course) ... the list is endless.   8.  Circumcision???   F Yes, JF trolled the circumcision newsgroups for years.  He still likes< to insert circumcision into his trolling every now and then.C Apparently, JF was traumatized as a child because his parents, poor B Hungarian immigrants to Canada, left him uncircumcised when he wasB born, as is the custom in most of the world.  Growing up in Canada@ where male infant circumcision was prevalent at the time, he was? psychologically scarred (so he claims).  As soon as he could he @ arranged to get himself snipped, and then joined the brigades ofE circumcision proselytizers in the newsgroups advocating the joys of a @ free willy.  His main argument is how much better he was able toB masturbate after getting circumcised without that "pesky foreskin"F getting in the way of his enjoyment, and he has made it his mission in' life to spread the circumcision gospel.   @ 9.  What's his interest in child sexuality?  That sounds kind of freaky.   @ Well, everything having to do with Mezei *is* freaky.  Among theE subjects dear to his heart are the genitals of little boys and girls, E especially little boy's foreskins (and how tight they are) and little @ girls' hymens.  He is also a tireless activist and advocate thatC children should be taught to masturbate early on so that they don't , grow up "sexually repressed like Americans".  E He also counsels all parents of boys that they constantly check their C little boys' penises and foreskins frequently to ensure a good fit, F proper movement, and that they be able to masturbate with no problems.A Utopia for JF would be a world full of parents manipulating their  little boys' penises.   @ 10.  Ewww!  This guy is sounding more and more disgusting by the+ minute!  Are you sure about all this stuff?   D Yes, you can check the google archives for yourself.  There's over a' decade full of Mezei trolling in there.   C 11.  How can I find all that out, doesn't he change aliases all the  time like all trolls do?  B Of course!  See the appendix below for a list of many of his known trolling aliases.   A 12.  So where does this guy get so much time to troll, doesn't he  work?   E Ha ha ha!  JF hasn't worked a day in his life!  He's an adult baby, a C grown man who still lives at home with mommy and sleeps all day and @ trolls the newsgroups all night.  In his free time when he isn'tF trolling he likes to ride his bike down to Dorval Airport and race the# planes down the runway in his bike.   9 13.  That seems strange, is he mentally ill or something?   D Bingo!  JF is a boy in a grown man's body.  Psychologically he neverA got past the age of 13 and got stuck in a world of bathroom humor F (i.e. "pull my finger!") and locker room antics that he has never been able to outgrow.  C 14.  Speaking of locker rooms, I heard he has a sexual fetish about  them, is that true?   @ Yes!  JF goes to the gym not to work out but to watch men in theB locker room.  He loves to post about the male sexual organs he has= seen in locker rooms over the years, especially his unnatural F obsession with foreskins.  He stalks the men in locker rooms trying toB measure how much foreskin they have, or how little is left if theyF have been circumcised.  He gets extremely excited when he spots a case of phimosis.  @ 15.  Oh my Gawd, this guy is nuts!  He should be locked up in an insane asylum!  D Yep, JF is certifiably insane.  He lives in a black helicopter / tin; foil hat world where others are out to get him.  The key to F understanding JF is that he sees himself as a VICTIM.  To JF the worldD is out to get him, especially the USA.  Victimhood is what JF is all about.  D What seems to have sent him over the edge was when the Canadian railD system was "killed", in his words.  He used to be a major train nut,D spotting trains, writing down their numbers and chasing them down atB the train yard like a good freak.  Then he turned his attention toC aviation.  Major events that made him fall head first deep into the C abyss were the bankruptcy of Canadian Airlines and their subsequent F takeover by Air Canada (whom he sees as evil).  So paranoid is he thatE when an Air Canada plane crashed he claimed that Air Canada employees D went lurking about in the night with buckets of white paint to coverE up the Air Canada markings.  He saw that as symbolic of a cover up of ; the crash investigation.  He has never recovered from this.   6 16.  Where else does he hang out, I want to avoid him!  F His main haunt on usenet is comp.os.vms, a newsgroup dedicated to someE ancient, arcane, obsolete piece of vax crapware that nobody has taken A seriously for decades.  JF hangs out there with other misfits and C social dropouts who share his psychological traumas, crying for the 1 good old vax days of yore.  It's really pathetic!   ! 17.  Where else does he hang out?   @ can.internet.highspeed, alt.cellular.fido, and a few other geekyD computer groups.  For a while after the Shuttle Columbia disaster heB invaded the sci.space groups, sci.space.shuttle in particular, andF trolled it relentlessly with the anti-American, conspiracy theory crapE he's so famous for.  But they ran him off that group and he had to go D crawling back to comp.os.vms with his tail between his legs, licking his wounds.   A 18.  It sounds like comp.os.vms is the only group he respects and  doesn't troll.  F Pretty much.  For a megatroll like JF it's impossible not to troll, so> he slips in troll bait every now and then, but by and large heA respects comp.os.vms, and, more importantly, he tries to hide his A trolling activities from them so they won't find out what a major  netkook he is.  F 19.  Wow, sounds like he should be exposed so they will know what kind of psycho he is!  E Exactly.  Feel free to post all his trolls to comp.os.vms.  And while F you're at it post them to can.internet.highspeed and alt.cellular.fido? too.  And to alt.usenet.kooks, a group for the likes of JF, and  news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.  4 20.  What else can I do?  Is there an abuse address?  D Yes, you should send complaints along with copies of his troll posts to:   * abuse@teksavvy.com , dnsadmin@teksavvy.com abuse@teranews.com  7 You can also call directly, troll free, 1-877-779-1575.    TekSavvy Solutions Inc.  330 Richmond St., Suite 205  Chatham, ON, Canada  N7M 1P7   D And feel free to distribute this FAQ freely.  Post it to newsgroups,C email it to people, you may host it at your own website, send it to D newspapers and magazines that do Internet articles or anything to do with Montreal or Canada, etc.      *** APPENDIX ***  @ List of some of the many trolling aliases used by Mezei over theF years.  This is only a partial list, he has so many it's impossible to compile a full list.   jfmezei@teksavvy.com jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com jfmezei@istop.com  jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com  jfmezei@videotron.ca jfmezei@vl.videotron.ca  nospam.jfmezei@videotron.ca  "jfmezei"@videotron.ca[nospam]   nobody <nobody@nobody.com> nobody <nobody@nobody.net> nobody <nobody@nobody.org> nobody <nobody@nobody.info>  nobody <nobody@nobody.int> nobody <nobody@nothing.nil>  nobody <nobody@null.dev>) Lorenna Bobbit <lbobbit@ginsu_knives.com> ' Lando Calrisian <Lcalrisian@empire.org>  muklak <muklak@eskimo.net> Sheep skin <sheep@station.au> # snowy squirrel <squirrel@nest.tree> ) Conspiracy Theory <conspiracy@theory.org> & Lou Raccoon <L.Raccoon@wilderness.org>$ Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>% Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>  Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>% Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org> " Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>$ Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>- Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com> ' Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com> " Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org> ' Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org> ( Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>& Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org> Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org> ' Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org> % Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>  Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org> ! Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org> # Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>   Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>$ Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>& Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>$ Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>* Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org> Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org>! Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>  Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org> $ Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org>! Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org> ! Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>   Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>$ Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org> Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>% Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org> % Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org> $ Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> Onani Room <onani@hotels.com> & Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>( Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>% Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org> % Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org> & Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>* Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>& Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>' Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org> ' Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org> ( Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>, Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>. Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil> ' Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org> % Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org> $ Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>" Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>& Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org># Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum> ( Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>% Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org> " Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>% Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org> & Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>' Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> ) Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org> ' Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> " Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>( Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>, George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>+ Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org> * Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>( Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>' Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org> * Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org> T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>  Q <queue@continuum.net>  Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>* Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>) John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>   ; *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY*    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:46:48 -0400 . From: Gary L. Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com>= Subject: Re: Where have all the rec.travel.air regulars gone? 8 Message-ID: <ca51da$dan$3@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>  7 On Tue,  8 Jun 2004 19:30:12 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio  <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:   % >JF Mezei <nobody@nobody.org> wrote :  >  >>ERIKG3 wrote:  >>> - >>> JF?  Wei Lun, Mike Voight, Bill Mattocks?  >> >>Left because of my trolling. > D >Yup......  Except Voight of course, but his employer is taking care  F Poor little anon coward. You're so powerless. You must hate that about	 yourself.    ------------------------------  , Date: Tue,  8 Jun 2004 16:40:09 +0200 (CEST)% From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> = Subject: Re: Where have all the rec.travel.air regulars gone? 8 Message-ID: <88e2231c50bd2563ae6cad4f1e03378d@dizum.com>  # JF Mezei <nobody@nobody.org> wrote:    >ERIKG3 wrote: >>  , >> JF?  Wei Lun, Mike Voight, Bill Mattocks? >  >Left because of my trolling.   F Yup......  Except Voight of course, but his employer is taking care ofB him.  JF has no employer, he sits in his mommy's apartment all dayD long jerking off while his mommy has to clean toilets to support JF.   FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS    About JF MEZEI  $ The "nobody" troll of rec.travel.air   (Rev. May 20, 2004)    1.  Who is JF Mezei?  C Jean-Francois Mezei is the worst netkook and megatroll to have ever C hit rec.travel.air and various other usenet newsgroups.  He is also 4 one of the longest running trolls in usenet history.  C ***WARNING:  JF MEZEI IS A ROGUE CANCELLER.  HE FORGES THE NAME AND C E-MAIL ADDRESS OF USENET POSTERS HE DOES NOT AGREE WITH AND CANCELS  THEIR MESSAGES.***  E If you participate in the same newsgroups he does, you should monitor E the control.cancel newsgroup.  If you find that he has cancelled your < messages, forward a copies of them to abuse@teksavvy.com and abuse@teranews.com .  " 2.  How long has he been trolling?   For well over a decade.    3.  Where does he live?    Montreal, Quebec, Canada   Jean-Francois Mezei  86 Harwood Gate  Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3  (514) 695-8259  2 His current e-mail address is jfmezei@teksavvy.com  * 4.  What makes him such a malicious troll?  C His trolling is constant, repetitious, relentless.  Once he invades D your newsgroup he will stay for decades, troll around the clock, dayF in and day out, every day of the year, for years and years on end.  He@ does not listen to pleas to stop, he does not listen to anything4 anyone tells him, he does not pay attention when theA misinformation/disinformation he posts is corrected, he just goes C right on trolling year in, year out like a little child holding his F ears closed while yelling "I can't hear you, I can't hear anything you say!"    5.  What does he troll about?   F His favorite subjects are USA-bashing and anything to do with sex.  HeB hates the USA and Americans and will hijack any thread and turn itC into a USA-bashing fest.  If he can't do that then he'll just start  making lewd posts.  $ 6.  What does he hate about the USA?  E Everything!  He is part of a larger group of Canadian trolls who have E a visceral hatred of the USA, motivated by envy mostly.  The USA is a B happier, better, more successful version of their country and they> can't stand it.  Some of JF's favorite troll bait is "the BushC regime", "the Bush-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz axis of evil", "Americans are B brainwashed", "Cars are evil", "SUVs are evil", "all Americans are stupid" etc.  # 7.  What about his sexual trolling?   E Ah, that is JF at his trolling best.  No sexual topic is too bizarre. > Among his favorites are child sexuality, masturbation, women'sA genitalia, sex toys, circumcision, the sex lives of Americans (of   course) ... the list is endless.   8.  Circumcision???   F Yes, JF trolled the circumcision newsgroups for years.  He still likes< to insert circumcision into his trolling every now and then.C Apparently, JF was traumatized as a child because his parents, poor B Hungarian immigrants to Canada, left him uncircumcised when he wasB born, as is the custom in most of the world.  Growing up in Canada@ where male infant circumcision was prevalent at the time, he was? psychologically scarred (so he claims).  As soon as he could he @ arranged to get himself snipped, and then joined the brigades ofE circumcision proselytizers in the newsgroups advocating the joys of a @ free willy.  His main argument is how much better he was able toB masturbate after getting circumcised without that "pesky foreskin"F getting in the way of his enjoyment, and he has made it his mission in' life to spread the circumcision gospel.   @ 9.  What's his interest in child sexuality?  That sounds kind of freaky.   @ Well, everything having to do with Mezei *is* freaky.  Among theE subjects dear to his heart are the genitals of little boys and girls, E especially little boy's foreskins (and how tight they are) and little @ girls' hymens.  He is also a tireless activist and advocate thatC children should be taught to masturbate early on so that they don't , grow up "sexually repressed like Americans".  E He also counsels all parents of boys that they constantly check their C little boys' penises and foreskins frequently to ensure a good fit, F proper movement, and that they be able to masturbate with no problems.A Utopia for JF would be a world full of parents manipulating their  little boys' penises.   @ 10.  Ewww!  This guy is sounding more and more disgusting by the+ minute!  Are you sure about all this stuff?   D Yes, you can check the google archives for yourself.  There's over a' decade full of Mezei trolling in there.   C 11.  How can I find all that out, doesn't he change aliases all the  time like all trolls do?  B Of course!  See the appendix below for a list of many of his known trolling aliases.   A 12.  So where does this guy get so much time to troll, doesn't he  work?   E Ha ha ha!  JF hasn't worked a day in his life!  He's an adult baby, a C grown man who still lives at home with mommy and sleeps all day and @ trolls the newsgroups all night.  In his free time when he isn'tF trolling he likes to ride his bike down to Dorval Airport and race the# planes down the runway in his bike.   9 13.  That seems strange, is he mentally ill or something?   D Bingo!  JF is a boy in a grown man's body.  Psychologically he neverA got past the age of 13 and got stuck in a world of bathroom humor F (i.e. "pull my finger!") and locker room antics that he has never been able to outgrow.  C 14.  Speaking of locker rooms, I heard he has a sexual fetish about  them, is that true?   @ Yes!  JF goes to the gym not to work out but to watch men in theB locker room.  He loves to post about the male sexual organs he has= seen in locker rooms over the years, especially his unnatural F obsession with foreskins.  He stalks the men in locker rooms trying toB measure how much foreskin they have, or how little is left if theyF have been circumcised.  He gets extremely excited when he spots a case of phimosis.  @ 15.  Oh my Gawd, this guy is nuts!  He should be locked up in an insane asylum!  D Yep, JF is certifiably insane.  He lives in a black helicopter / tin; foil hat world where others are out to get him.  The key to F understanding JF is that he sees himself as a VICTIM.  To JF the worldD is out to get him, especially the USA.  Victimhood is what JF is all about.  D What seems to have sent him over the edge was when the Canadian railD system was "killed", in his words.  He used to be a major train nut,D spotting trains, writing down their numbers and chasing them down atB the train yard like a good freak.  Then he turned his attention toC aviation.  Major events that made him fall head first deep into the C abyss were the bankruptcy of Canadian Airlines and their subsequent F takeover by Air Canada (whom he sees as evil).  So paranoid is he thatE when an Air Canada plane crashed he claimed that Air Canada employees D went lurking about in the night with buckets of white paint to coverE up the Air Canada markings.  He saw that as symbolic of a cover up of ; the crash investigation.  He has never recovered from this.   6 16.  Where else does he hang out, I want to avoid him!  F His main haunt on usenet is comp.os.vms, a newsgroup dedicated to someE ancient, arcane, obsolete piece of vax crapware that nobody has taken A seriously for decades.  JF hangs out there with other misfits and C social dropouts who share his psychological traumas, crying for the 1 good old vax days of yore.  It's really pathetic!   ! 17.  Where else does he hang out?   @ can.internet.highspeed, alt.cellular.fido, and a few other geekyD computer groups.  For a while after the Shuttle Columbia disaster heB invaded the sci.space groups, sci.space.shuttle in particular, andF trolled it relentlessly with the anti-American, conspiracy theory crapE he's so famous for.  But they ran him off that group and he had to go D crawling back to comp.os.vms with his tail between his legs, licking his wounds.   A 18.  It sounds like comp.os.vms is the only group he respects and  doesn't troll.  F Pretty much.  For a megatroll like JF it's impossible not to troll, so> he slips in troll bait every now and then, but by and large heA respects comp.os.vms, and, more importantly, he tries to hide his A trolling activities from them so they won't find out what a major  netkook he is.  F 19.  Wow, sounds like he should be exposed so they will know what kind of psycho he is!  E Exactly.  Feel free to post all his trolls to comp.os.vms.  And while F you're at it post them to can.internet.highspeed and alt.cellular.fido? too.  And to alt.usenet.kooks, a group for the likes of JF, and  news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.  4 20.  What else can I do?  Is there an abuse address?  D Yes, you should send complaints along with copies of his troll posts to:   * abuse@teksavvy.com , dnsadmin@teksavvy.com abuse@teranews.com  7 You can also call directly, troll free, 1-877-779-1575.    TekSavvy Solutions Inc.  330 Richmond St., Suite 205  Chatham, ON, Canada  N7M 1P7   D And feel free to distribute this FAQ freely.  Post it to newsgroups,C email it to people, you may host it at your own website, send it to D newspapers and magazines that do Internet articles or anything to do with Montreal or Canada, etc.      *** APPENDIX ***  @ List of some of the many trolling aliases used by Mezei over theF years.  This is only a partial list, he has so many it's impossible to compile a full list.   jfmezei@teksavvy.com jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com jfmezei@istop.com  jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com  jfmezei@videotron.ca jfmezei@vl.videotron.ca  nospam.jfmezei@videotron.ca  "jfmezei"@videotron.ca[nospam]   nobody <nobody@nobody.com> nobody <nobody@nobody.net> nobody <nobody@nobody.org> nobody <nobody@nobody.info>  nobody <nobody@nobody.int> nobody <nobody@nothing.nil>  nobody <nobody@null.dev>) Lorenna Bobbit <lbobbit@ginsu_knives.com> ' Lando Calrisian <Lcalrisian@empire.org>  muklak <muklak@eskimo.net> Sheep skin <sheep@station.au> # snowy squirrel <squirrel@nest.tree> ) Conspiracy Theory <conspiracy@theory.org> & Lou Raccoon <L.Raccoon@wilderness.org>$ Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>% Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>  Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>% Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org> " Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>$ Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>- Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com> ' Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com> " Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org> ' Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org> ( Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>& Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org> Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org> ' Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org> % Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>  Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org> ! Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org> # Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>   Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>$ Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>& Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>$ Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>* Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org> Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org>! Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>  Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org> $ Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org>! Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org> ! Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>   Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>$ Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org> Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>% Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org> % Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org> $ Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> Onani Room <onani@hotels.com> & Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>( Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>% Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org> % Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org> & Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>* Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>& Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>' Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org> ' Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org> ( Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>, Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>. Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil> ' Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org> % Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org> $ Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>" Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>& Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org># Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum> ( Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>% Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org> " Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>% Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org> & Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>' Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> ) Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org> ' Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> " Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>( Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>, George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>+ Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org> * Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>( Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>' Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org> * Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org> T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>  Q <queue@continuum.net>  Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>* Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>) John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>   ; *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY*    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 19:29:08 GMT $ From: "Darrell Larose" <no@spam.com>= Subject: Re: Where have all the rec.travel.air regulars gone? B Message-ID: <8soxc.49$PLd.38@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  2 "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message2 news:a40d4871d54a118ca89e1aaec5654c96@dizum.com...& > JF Mezei <nobody@nobody.org> wrote : > + Give it up mikey, no one cares, except you.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 20:18:13 -0400 . From: Gary L. Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com>= Subject: Re: Where have all the rec.travel.air regulars gone? 8 Message-ID: <ca5kqn$n8l$2@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>  7 On Wed,  9 Jun 2004 02:10:16 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio  <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:   0 >Gary L. Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote: >  > 0 >>Didja know yer' over BI=20 with these? [FLUSH] > ) >And you can't do a damn thing about it,    E Not trying to, coward.  You'll get caught by the cancel bots and your @ posts will be dropped from sites that accept them.  That's cool.  E I'll expect you to post this twice more, since you still can't figure  out how remailers work.    ------------------------------  , Date: Wed,  9 Jun 2004 02:10:16 +0200 (CEST)% From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> = Subject: Re: Where have all the rec.travel.air regulars gone? 8 Message-ID: <3ee0f942931a006de78bb49aa740c773@dizum.com>  / Gary L. Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote:     / >Didja know yer' over BI=20 with these? [FLUSH]   A And you can't do a damn thing about it, convicted child molesting  coward.    BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA    SLAP!   @ Go have sex with someone your own age, convicted child molesting coward.   ' From NC Convicted Sex Offender Registry       GARY LEE BURNORE     4201 BLAND ROAD APT J    RALEIGH NC 27609     TELEPHONE (919) 420-7691   # Offense and Conviction Information:     Conviction Date: 03-13-19970    NC Statute: 14-202.1 - INDECENT LIBERTY MINOR!    Sentence Imposed: PROBATION 3Y      Court County: SANTA CLARA, CA  / NC sex offender registry number: (SRN 001693S3)   "    Registration Status: Registered%    Possible Violations: None Reported     BURNORE,GARY LEE     Alias Names:     BURNORE,GARY LEE     Photo Date: 08-27-1997     SRN: 001693S3  1    Reported Date: 12-16-1997 Address Verified: NO      Street: 4201 BLAND ROAD APT J2    City: RALEIGH State: NC Zip: 27609 County: WAKE  D    Race: W Sex: M Height: 5'08" Weight: 170 LBS. Hair: BRO Eyes: BLU    Birth Date(s): 10-13-1957    Scars, marks, tattoos: $    State ID #: FBI #: Dept. Corr. #:  5    Contact County: WAKE Registration Date: 08-27-1997 ,    Conviction Date: 03-13-1997 Release Date:"    Court County: - SANTA CLARA, CA  1    Reported Date: 08-27-1997 Address Verified: NO     Street: 4201 BLAND ROAD2    City: RALEIGH State: NC Zip: 27609 County: WAKE   ------------------------------  , Date: Wed,  9 Jun 2004 02:40:02 +0200 (CEST)% From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> = Subject: Re: Where have all the rec.travel.air regulars gone? 8 Message-ID: <f7f09f7618055eb1dc489b63229b081f@dizum.com>  / Gary L. Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote:   F >Not trying to, coward.  You'll get caught by the cancel bots and yourA >posts will be dropped from sites that accept them.  That's cool.   B Since most sites don't, that's too bad for you then, sex offending coward.   F >I'll expect you to post this twice more, since you still can't figure >out how remailers work.  E Since you're implying that you do, it proves what I said earlier that = you DO use remailers yourself, you hypocritical convicted sex ! offending cowardly piece of shit.   B And I *still* OWN you.  Get used to it!  This is my new signature:  ' From NC Convicted Sex Offender Registry       GARY LEE BURNORE     4201 BLAND ROAD APT J    RALEIGH NC 27609     TELEPHONE (919) 420-7691   # Offense and Conviction Information:     Conviction Date: 03-13-19970    NC Statute: 14-202.1 - INDECENT LIBERTY MINOR!    Sentence Imposed: PROBATION 3Y      Court County: SANTA CLARA, CA  / NC sex offender registry number: (SRN 001693S3)   "    Registration Status: Registered%    Possible Violations: None Reported     BURNORE,GARY LEE     Alias Names:     BURNORE,GARY LEE     Photo Date: 08-27-1997     SRN: 001693S3  1    Reported Date: 12-16-1997 Address Verified: NO      Street: 4201 BLAND ROAD APT J2    City: RALEIGH State: NC Zip: 27609 County: WAKE  D    Race: W Sex: M Height: 5'08" Weight: 170 LBS. Hair: BRO Eyes: BLU    Birth Date(s): 10-13-1957    Scars, marks, tattoos: $    State ID #: FBI #: Dept. Corr. #:  5    Contact County: WAKE Registration Date: 08-27-1997 ,    Conviction Date: 03-13-1997 Release Date:"    Court County: - SANTA CLARA, CA  1    Reported Date: 08-27-1997 Address Verified: NO     Street: 4201 BLAND ROAD2    City: RALEIGH State: NC Zip: 27609 County: WAKE   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 22:25:50 -0400 6 From: Grim Reaper <grimreaper@thebowelsofhell.invalid>= Subject: Re: Where have all the rec.travel.air regulars gone? 8 Message-ID: <k7tcc056eqr1gbmri411c36hh10637b1td@4ax.com>  3 On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:46:48 -0400, Gary L. Burnore D <gburnore@databasix.com> smeared the following in blood before being buried 6 feet in the ground:  8 >On Tue,  8 Jun 2004 19:30:12 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio ><nobody@dizum.com> wrote: > & >>JF Mezei <nobody@nobody.org> wrote : >> >>>ERIKG3 wrote: >>>>  . >>>> JF?  Wei Lun, Mike Voight, Bill Mattocks? >>>  >>>Left because of my trolling.  >>E >>Yup......  Except Voight of course, but his employer is taking care  > G >Poor little anon coward. You're so powerless. You must hate that about 
 >yourself.  - Still being annoying are you?  Go away,  FAG.    Grim Reaper    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 04:01:08 GMT $ From: "Darrell Larose" <no@spam.com>= Subject: Re: Where have all the rec.travel.air regulars gone? F Message-ID: <8Yvxc.5318$PLd.3783@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  K Nomen Castraii loves publishing a person's home address, e-mail address and L phone numbers. He also like calling the numbers late at night. However there are line traps and *54   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:41:49 -05005 From: Starshine Moonbeam <silverbells@tacoshells.com> = Subject: Re: Where have all the rec.travel.air regulars gone? 5 Message-ID: <MPG.1b304f752eba934698b448@news.alt.net>   @ In article <f7f09f7618055eb1dc489b63229b081f@dizum.com>, "Nomen 9 Nescio"(nobody@dizum.com) dropped a +5 bundle of words...   1 > Gary L. Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote:  > H > >Not trying to, coward.  You'll get caught by the cancel bots and yourC > >posts will be dropped from sites that accept them.  That's cool.  > D > Since most sites don't, that's too bad for you then, sex offending	 > coward.  > H > >I'll expect you to post this twice more, since you still can't figure > >out how remailers work. > G > Since you're implying that you do, it proves what I said earlier that ? > you DO use remailers yourself, you hypocritical convicted sex # > offending cowardly piece of shit.  > D > And I *still* OWN you.  Get used to it!  This is my new signature:  4 (SNIP - Hi, Max Musterman obsesso with a newsreader)   Fishing man, fishing.      --   Starshine Moonbeam   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 17:51:42 GMT - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ' Subject: Re: Xwindows: SAVE-AS question @ Message-ID: <017a52d42091cf699cb918af5da72036@news.teranews.com>   Hans Vlems wrote: M > Not sure what you mean with "system directory" and what your application is  > intended for, F > but I'd be dead against *any* application that stores information in > SYS$SYSTEM, SYS$SHARE,M > SYS$* whatever. Even if the application will be used by system managers, at   > best it's asking for pollutingD > your system directories, worse, you could end up by having a "new"  N In my case, it is a library module browser. So if you are consulting a DECCRTLN module form the DECCRTL.TLB, the library is located in a system directory. ButL if you want to save a copy of the module you don't want it saved in the same directory as the library.   N The problem is that the applictation doesn't really know if it is started fromQ the desktop or from command line. I guess I'll just specify sys$login as default.    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:38:10 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER), Subject: Re: [OpenVMS V7.3-2] Mount question1 Message-ID: <newscache$6pb0zh$z3m1$1@news.sil.at>   i In article <0825bb40083cb6e80ff7900ac556dd98@news.teranews.com>, Jilly <jilly@clarityconnect.com> writes: L >Right, the satellite must have it's parameters set to shadow this disk just> >the same as these systems do.  So SHADOWING has to be set and= >SHADOW_SYS_DISK and SHADOW_SYS_UNIT as well must be correct.   N I think they are all correct because the other (system disk) shadow set works.  : I just had a chance to retry the boot with /NOASSIST added< and the error message is now standalone and therefor clearer  ^ %MOUNT-F-DEVBUSYINSET, mount or dismount in progress on device, $DSAdevice$IN_SET lock failure  : which at the first sight isn't much helpful either because   $ HELP/MESSAGE DEVBUSYINSET > %MSGHLP-F-NOTFOUND, message not found in Help Message database    G Could it be that this ACARD SCSI-IDE converter which requires me to use F MOUNT/OVERIDE=NO_FORCED_ERROR has a problem in combination with MSCP ?M Btw removing /OVERIDE=NO_FORCED_ERROR on the satellite doesn't make a change.    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:19:43 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER), Subject: Re: [OpenVMS V7.3-2] Mount question1 Message-ID: <newscache$hua0zh$2zl1$1@news.sil.at>   e In article <a98cd882.0406080522.10e45f0c@posting.google.com>, Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) writes: ; >Does the satelite have shadowing enabled (SHADOWING = 2) ?   H Of course ;-) The other Shadowset (the system disk) is working properly.  P Parameter Name           Current    Default     Min.      Max.     Unit  DynamicP --------------           -------    -------    -------   -------   ----  -------I ACP_REBLDSYSD                   0          1         0          1 Boolean L ALLOCLASS                       0          0         0        255 Pure-numbeG EXPECTED_VOTES                  1          1         1        127 Votes L LOCKDIRWT                       0          0         0        255 Pure-numbeL MSCP_LOAD                       0          0         0      16384 Coded-valuI NISCS_CONV_BOOT                 0          0         0          1 Boolean I NISCS_LOAD_PEA0                 1          0         0          1 Boolean I NISCS_PORT_SERV                 0          0         0          3 Bitmask F SHADOW_SYS_UNIT                 0          0         0       9999 UnitN SHADOW_SYS_DISK                 1          0         0         -1 Bit_Code   DN SHADOW_MAX_COPY                 0          4         0        200 Threads    DL SHADOWING                       2          0         0          2 Coded-valuL TMSCP_LOAD                      0          0         0          3 Coded-valuL VAXCLUSTER                      2          1         0          2 Coded-valuG VOTES                           0          1         0        127 Votes   
 Thanks anyway    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:09:17 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER), Subject: Re: [OpenVMS V7.3-2] Mount question1 Message-ID: <newscache$25d0zh$grm1$1@news.sil.at>   j In article <newscache$l4jyyh$4c31$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:I >You might already know, I have a Shadowset of 2 160GB IDE Disks (with an ? >ACARD SCSI-IDE Adapter) running on my PWS for over a year now.  > H >Today I tried to boot a satellite from the PWS as bootserver and failed) >to mount the (user disk) shadow set with   L Could it be that volume shadowing dissimilar disks is not working via MSCP ?  M Disk $1$DKA200: (LUNA), device type Maxtor 4 G160J8, is online, file-oriented O     device, shareable, available to cluster, member of a shadow set on a remote #     node, error logging is enabled.   O     Error count                    0    Operations completed                465 O     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM] O     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot            S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W O     Reference count                0    Default buffer size                 512 O     Current preferred CPU Id       0    Fastpath                              1 O     Total blocks           320173056    Sectors per track                    96 O     Total cylinders            34741    Tracks per cylinder                  96 [     Host name                 "LUNA"    Host type, avail Digital Personal WorkStation , yes $     Allocation class               1     Device is accessed on LUNA.   I Disk $1$DKA300: (LUNA), device type ST316002 1A, is online, file-oriented O     device, shareable, available to cluster, member of a shadow set on a remote #     node, error logging is enabled.   O     Error count                    0    Operations completed                465 O     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM] O     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot            S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W O     Reference count                0    Default buffer size                 512 O     Current preferred CPU Id       0    Fastpath                              1 O     Total blocks           312581808    Sectors per track                    96 O     Total cylinders            33918    Tracks per cylinder                  96 [     Host name                 "LUNA"    Host type, avail Digital Personal WorkStation , yes $     Allocation class               1     Device is accessed on LUNA.    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.318 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              y 2004 11:53:17 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> Q Subject: Re: Carly responds to my email about advertising!  Yes, they will do it! , Message-ID: <DPidndTsGNZt9i7dRVn-sw@igs.net>  : Here's the next 'mention' of OpenVMS by HP in an ad (.pdf)  K   May 24/2004 edition of eWeek, page 47 (not exactly your most high-profile  location in the magazine).  L It's virtually the same ad as before - same companies mentioned - same focusI on IA64.  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