1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 09 Jun 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 319       Contents:L Re: 3X-DEPVZ-AA Permedia 2 graphics (was: 3X-DEPVD-AA Permedia 2 graphics...! Re: ACME password change CATCH-22 ! Re: ACME password change CATCH-22 ! Re: ACME password change CATCH-22  Re: AST level I/O  Re: DEC PWS RAM ! Re: DECnet-Plus DECdts Management ! Re: DECnet-Plus DECdts Management  Re: Exit and Exception Handlers ! Experience with solid state disks % Re: Experience with solid state disks  Re: few questions  Re: few questions + Re: Merrill Lynch to HP: Time for a breakup & Re: OpenVMS Primer for System Managers# Re: Start Ingres with VAX time back # Re: Start Ingres with VAX time back # Re: Start Ingres with VAX time back = Re: Understanding Peak virtual size VS UAF pgflquota+WSEXTENT 4 Re: Where have all the rec.travel.air regulars gone? Re: Xwindows: SAVE-AS question# Re: [OpenVMS V7.3-2] Mount question = [OT]: IBM's view on how chips make 'valued-added' proposition A Re: [OT]: IBM's view on how chips make 'valued-added' proposition   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:54:53 -0400* From: "Bobby Coleman" <colemanrl@ornl.gov>U Subject: Re: 3X-DEPVZ-AA Permedia 2 graphics (was: 3X-DEPVD-AA Permedia 2 graphics... ( Message-ID: <ca74rh$1en$1@sws1.ornl.gov>  L I finally got the video working the way that I want... but I don't know how.G Adding the specified lines to the config file by itself didn't work. It E continued to boot with the old settings. I then decided to explicitly J specify a 100 dpi screen value and a DECW$SERVER_DEFAULT_VISUAL_CLASS=="4"E value in the DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM file. After doing this and K rebooting... the display went blank completely and wouldn't come back under E X!  I managed to rename the file and restart to get back to where I'd J started. I then removed the 100 dpi and visual_class settings and left theL other configuration settings the same. When I restarted this time it worked.J The correct resolution and color depth.  To make it easier... be sure that* you can log in remotely before doing this.  K I thought that I would post this in case someone else had the same problem. G Hopefully, this was a fluke. I will be doing the same thing to a second 5 machine and really hope that it works the first time.    Thanks for the support.    Bobby   0 "Hoff Hoffman" <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote in message, news:Pm3wc.2999$Dh3.2623@news.cpqcorp.net...: > In article <c9qbcv$5kj$1@sws1.ornl.gov>, "Bobby Coleman" <colemanrl@ornl.gov> writes:C > :Thank you for the prompt reply! The video card is a 3X-DEPVZ-AA. 	 According L > :to the manual that came with it, the maximum display resolution is 1280 xJ > :1024. Is this correct and can the same procedure be used for setting it up?  > 5 >   AFAIK, yes, the same general configuration steps.  > C >   Within the resolution limits of the particular card, of course.  > H > :Also... I tried the sda clue config but it didn't show the video card name. I > :It showed a few system parameters... but nothing about the video.  The  SRM 3 > :output shows a Permedia P2V graphics controller.  > L >   Yes, that's the 3X-DEPVZ-AA 3DLabs Permedia P2V series -- IIRC, the cardJ >   you appear to have also has SCSI.  (That's why I had guessed the otherK >   card; you'd mentioned the video and network connections, not the SCSI.)  >  > ( >  ---------------------------- #include' <rtfaq.h> ----------------------------- 4 >     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ --  www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq , >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion --------------------------- G >         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 06:19:18 GMT  From: danco@ns2.pebble.org* Subject: Re: ACME password change CATCH-220 Message-ID: <slrnccd77h.od.danco@ns2.pebble.org>  D In article <yN0wc.2975$h%2.1436@news.cpqcorp.net>, Rick Barry wrote:  N > It's fixed on 7.3-2. You can specify the logon-type during a change-password > password function.  F Thanks for the good news.  I ended up writing my code so that it triesG to specify the logon type and then falls back to the old $SETUAI method G if the logon type is not accepted.  It also falls back if ACME is down. F That way my code will work on just about any VMS version and also work when ACME is down.   - Dan    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 06:41:18 GMT - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> * Subject: Re: ACME password change CATCH-22@ Message-ID: <d6761cd38ea3d80c3f006fff839d91fb@news.teranews.com>   danco@ns2.pebble.org wrote: I > if the logon type is not accepted.  It also falls back if ACME is down. H > That way my code will work on just about any VMS version and also work > when ACME is down.  C Remember that ACME is not available on VAX. (or has that changed ?)    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 08:43:33 GMT  From: danco@ns2.pebble.org* Subject: Re: ACME password change CATCH-220 Message-ID: <slrnccdfm0.od.danco@ns2.pebble.org>  P In article <d6761cd38ea3d80c3f006fff839d91fb@news.teranews.com>, JF Mezei wrote:  E > Remember that ACME is not available on VAX. (or has that changed ?)   C Fortunately none of our customers run VAXen anymore. Alpha has been B around for some time now, almost longer than VAX was around beforeB Alpha appeared.  Seems like just yesterday in both cases.  Much asG I loved the VAX architecture, I liked the Alpha architecture even more. D Talking in the past tense; man am I getting old.  Now I'm working onF the Itanium architecture.  Having all these registers is nice, but theD boatload of oddball instructions along with a derth of actual usefulD ones seems rather "odd."  I'm eventually going to want to write someC core Elliptic Curve Crypto routines in Itanium assember.  I can see B that it's going to be quiet a challenge to get maximum performance@ from human written Itanium assembly code.  Alpha was a breeze by comparison.    - Dan    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jun 2004 07:37:11 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: AST level I/O3 Message-ID: <fhvr$4hUyFJr@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <ca2bq0$hov$1@pcls4.std.com>, moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes:  B > I've seen the VMS C RTL break up terminal output like the quoted
 > example.  C    I've never seen it happen within the context of a single call to B    a C RTL I/O function, but since it's C, I can't swear it won't.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jun 2004 06:09:38 -0700 2 From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb) Subject: Re: DEC PWS RAM= Message-ID: <bf98c417.0406090509.23a8f3f4@posting.google.com>   G sms@antinode.org wrote in message news:<04060811241973@antinode.org>... 4 > From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb) > " > > Check your specs, my friend.  2 > > Don't be fooled by what you can cram in there.J > > That last half a gig won't do you any good unless you're running Tru64 > > or (Ack!) NT- + > > PW433au + OpenVMS = 1GB maximum memory.  > I >    Please, not so loud!  My PWS 500a might hear you.  So far, I have it 	 > fooled:  > K > ALP2 $ write sys$output "''f$getsyi( "hw_name"), ''f$getsyi( "hw_model")" % > Digital Personal WorkStation , 1556  >  > ALP2 $ show memory /physicalB >               System Memory Resources on  8-JUN-2004 11:30:46.21 > N > Physical Memory Usage (pages):     Total        Free      In Use    ModifiedN >   Main Memory (1.50GB)            196608      126644       66811        3153 > P > Of the physical pages in use, 6189 pages are permanently allocated to OpenVMS. > . > ALP2 $ write sys$output f$getsyi( "version") > V7.3-1 > E >   Or do you claim that a 433au is that much lamer than than a 500a?  > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 6 >    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98185 >    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org  >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    None of the PWs are lame.     E You want to see lame, run VMS on a Multia (64MB) with WINDOW_SYSTEM=1 = or try running the early versions of the ABS 4 JAVA GUI on an D AlphaStation 200 4/166 (192MB) when there's about 1500 miles between7 the AlphaStation and the system that ABS is running on.   6 All uppercase, double-height, boldface, blinking lame.  < I'm claiming that the 1 GB memory limitation for OpenVMS was> explicitly stated in the S&O for the PW433 -a and -au systems.  B I haven't looked up what it says about any other PW-series system.  # DSMV. (Different Systems May Vary.)   A I infer from the statement in the S&O that the limitation doesn't C extend to <insert name of contemporaneous UNIX product here> on the D PW433a or -au, that the bottleneck is not in the SRM console, but is@ in one of the system-specific executables (ever gone through theF convolutions that are required to get a Multia to boot?) that executes shortly after APB.EXE.  B I further infer that since this system's been retired for a while,C there's no real incentive for VMS Engineering to have modified that A particular executable to modify the chunk of code from which that  particular limitation arises.   C Those two statements having been made, I hereby heartily disclaim:    3 IANAMOVE.   (I Am Not A Member Of VMS Engineering).   D If I were the previous line would read (Be afraid.  Be VERY afraid.)  D Hoff or Fred K. could probably expound eloquently and at length upon( the provenance of this particular quirk.   WWWebb   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:53:34 -0400< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>* Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus DECdts Management* Message-ID: <2ioq40Fot33fU1@uni-berlin.de>   David B Sneddon wrote:$ > Peter Weaver was overheard to say: >>= >> Thanks, but NTP is not an option for this particular site.  >> > 
 > why not? > 
 > Regards, > Dave.    Non-technical reasons.   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jun 2004 09:54:34 -0700 1 From: jcristof@columbus.rr.com (James Cristofero) * Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus DECdts Management= Message-ID: <9216eb01.0406090854.20647d87@posting.google.com>   + I've run both DTSS and NTP and AUTO_DLIGHT.   E I use the DTSS_NTP-Provider (SYS$EXAMPLES:[DTSS]) and point DTSS to a   valid NTP source in our network.  A The one problem with those that have had DTSS running and want to @ fallback to NTP is that DTSS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL.DAT only gets updated via DTSS. Even if D NET$DISABLE_DTSS is defined, this may not get updated correct duringD the spring/fall TDF change. We've had NTP drift get out of sych when. AUTO_DAYLIGHT is used in conjunction with NTP.   James Cristofero	 IGS/Qwest    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jun 2004 08:00:55 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ( Subject: Re: Exit and Exception Handlers3 Message-ID: <Uk2p4rhZhTKY@eisner.encompasserve.org>   o In article <51262235.0406072354.50555f5d@posting.google.com>, stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au (Stuart Norris) writes:  > Dear Readers,  > F > I am trying to understand exit and exception handlers with a FORTRANG > program under Open VMS 6.2 on Alpha.  I have a program which uses TCP H > (UCX) sockets and this program can be run as both detached process and > interactive process. > G > How do I catch stopping the program with stop/id=<PID> in the program G > so I can cancel all the I/O and close any open channels?  What system E > service should I reveiew?  What section of the Programming Concepts  > Guide is this described in?   M    You don't without privileges.  STOP/ID will cause user-mode exit handlers  G    to be skipped.  Inner mode exit handlers will cancel any outstanding F    I/O and close all channels for you, unless one is in resource wait.  G > To catch CRTL-C and CTRL-Y for interactive active processes can I use A > the same as above or do I need to use QIO calls to catch these.   F    Ctrl-c and ctrl-y can be caught with $QIO.  They do not cause imageG    exit, so if you must catch them you must use $QIO.  However, usually F    the user follows them with things that do cause image exit and that(    does include user-mode exit handlers.  G    Those of us who must do something like stop/id but include user-mode A    image hanlders write little utility programs based on $forcex.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:03:10 -0500 ( From: David Harrold <DHarrold@wi.rr.com>* Subject: Experience with solid state disks8 Message-ID: <5e9ec09li7fb67118h4gphj44bg9sf6318@4ax.com>  L We are looking at adding solid state disks to our environment.  Our DBAs areI looking at using solid state disk for the redo logs to improve the Oracle  performance.  K Our current configuration is 3 GS1280s (16 CPUs and 64GB of memory), Oracle N 8.1.7.3, 2 EVA5000s and VMS V7.3-1.  We will be upgrading to V7.3-2 in another 2 weeks.  M Is anyone using solid state disks in a VMS/Oracle environment?  If so, who is " the vender and how do you like it?   Any input would be appreciated.    Thanks,    Dave Harrold    N ..............................................................................N David Harrold                              E-Mail: David.Harrold at aurora.orgJ Lead Software Systems Engineer              Phone:          (414) 647-6204J                                             Pager:          (414) 941-4634J Aurora Health Care                            Fax:          (414) 647-4999 3031 W. Montana Street Milwaukee, WI 53215    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 16:57:58 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> . Subject: Re: Experience with solid state disks< Message-ID: <qkHxc.5363$295.1919@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>   David Harrold wrote:N > We are looking at adding solid state disks to our environment.  Our DBAs areK > looking at using solid state disk for the redo logs to improve the Oracle  > performance. > M > Our current configuration is 3 GS1280s (16 CPUs and 64GB of memory), Oracle P > 8.1.7.3, 2 EVA5000s and VMS V7.3-1.  We will be upgrading to V7.3-2 in another
 > 2 weeks. > O > Is anyone using solid state disks in a VMS/Oracle environment?  If so, who is $ > the vender and how do you like it? > ! > Any input would be appreciated.  > 	 > Thanks,  >  > Dave Harrold >  > P > ..............................................................................P > David Harrold                              E-Mail: David.Harrold at aurora.orgL > Lead Software Systems Engineer              Phone:          (414) 647-6204L >                                             Pager:          (414) 941-4634L > Aurora Health Care                            Fax:          (414) 647-4999 > 3031 W. Montana Street > Milwaukee, WI 53215   F IIRC, DEC/HP hasn't had a solid-state disk since the ES50.  There are H some on the market (Tiger comes to mind) that say they work on OpenVMS, G but I am not sure what controller they are using... it would not be in  I the EVA cabinet (they are Fibre drives not SCSI-n). Now, if they work in  I an MSA cabinet (possibly???) then your limitation will still be your SAN  A and how you achieve the connection and which KGPSA you are using  E (1-2-4?-10? Gb), as well as how much cache and a whole host of other   considerations.   G But first, you need to quantify that your redo logs are the bottleneck  H before throwing hardware at it. And unfortunately, the EVA doesn't have D any performance monitoring features.  So you are unable to actually I quanitify anything, except what you can get out of Monitor (look at your  E T4 disk data WRT to Resp and Queue Depth.  If you don't have a queue  F depth, then your caching would be sheilding your system from any disk G latencies that would be corrected by a SSD and therefore you would not  F see any performance gains.  Now, if those drives are local SCSI, then F you now have another issue in that your drives will no longer be 100% G available across the cluster (individual system crash/reboot) and this  ! is unacceptable to your database.   I One of the limitations of the EVA3K/5K controllers is the fact they only  D have 4 SAN ports like the HSG.  There are some benefits to possibly H using the XP line which has up to 32 cross-bar ports (all ports talk to D all controllers concurrently).  Using this, you can have a lot more 1 granularity when assigning multipath connections.      Michael Austin http://www.firstdbasource.com ' T4 Expert/Tuning Consultant - Available  816-373-8572 816-728-3080 (Mobile)    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jun 2004 07:35:17 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: few questions3 Message-ID: <g+v3t431tf$D@eisner.encompasserve.org>   m In article <f401eb7f.0406081256.25c1b49e@posting.google.com>, soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume) writes:  > D > Again from a user/programmer perspective (the point that was being > made), I feel that:   +    I think we'll have to agree to disagree.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jun 2004 07:04:55 -0700 . From: jonard@xlnsystems.com (Thomas A. Jonard) Subject: Re: few questions= Message-ID: <73843d93.0406090604.42538ba1@posting.google.com>   T gdb <blah1234@wp.pl> wrote in message news:<c9qau1$dub$1@portraits.wsisiz.edu.pl>...   >    ... Can I run VMS on  > x86?, ...   C Not as an O/S for an x86 platform but you can run it on an emulator D which will run on an x86 platform.  The company I work for sells oneD such product -- CharonVAX.  There are also other emulators availableB which you can find with a web search.  Be aware that these are VAX% emulators not VMS or ALPHA emulators.    Tom   * (Thomas A. Jonard,  jonard@XLNsystems.com)   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jun 2004 03:02:14 -0700 ( From: pimpelmees@pandora.be (Pimpelmees)4 Subject: Re: Merrill Lynch to HP: Time for a breakup= Message-ID: <576e9651.0406090202.76d5b70e@posting.google.com>   A Since Peugeot will be installing there diesel engines into Fords, E Jags, Mazda, ... it may be better that Peugeot merges with Ford (read - : will be absorbed by). Idem for Fiat and GM.   D I think that the ML analyst says to sell the printing division for aD lot of money (and a lot of profit) to investors. Before it is a loss@ generating division. And investors always like sell offs ... and mergers.   Wim    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 08:31:01 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> / Subject: Re: OpenVMS Primer for System Managers , Message-ID: <BL6dnW3ASaabnlrdRVn-sQ@igs.net>   warren sander wrote:F > in answer the to question.. Yes I know what's wrong.. I'm an idiot.. > G > well not that much but I put our metrics javascript on every page and  > it broke something. E > It's my fault for only checking the netscape version and not the IE 
 > version. > B > I've backed the code out (actually restored a copy of it from my > archives and it seems to > be working again). > E > I don't know what the status of the primer will be in the future as  > it is very 'compaq' and weA > are now 'HP'. I've requested to have it re-written, updated and $ > branded but that is not happening. > 2 > If you do like the primer please respond back...     Warren,   H If it is to be permanently 'pulled' because it isn't 'HP branded' and noJ re-write is likely, consider donating it to openvms.org for hosting there.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2004 23:43:40 -0700 & From: smohapatra@hss.hns.com (Sukanta), Subject: Re: Start Ingres with VAX time back= Message-ID: <5c75209e.0406082243.710ab7f1@posting.google.com>   ^ "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl> wrote in message news:<2im5lfFonr9sU1@uni-berlin.de>...7 > "Sukanta" <smohapatra@hss.hns.com> schreef in bericht 9 > news:5c75209e.0406080521.1df293d2@posting.google.com... J > > I found that if the Ingres license has already been expired then it isG > > possible to start the Ingres with the VAX reboot by setting the VAX 5 > > time back to a period when the license was valid.  > > J > > How can we check this type of problem( the validity period) so that ItH > > should not be possible to start Ingres by setting the VAX time back. > > 	 > > regds  > > Sukanta  > N > If your customers have no use for a correct timestamp then they're hobbyists9 > and no license will prevent them for using the product. L > That said, this trick is not limited to VMS, it'll work on other operating > systems as well.N > If your company relies on timestamp based licenses make sure the license not > onlyJ > has an expiration date but also a valid starting date. Even if the users > don't care aboutJ > the correct value of a timestamp, having duplicates in the database is a
 > sure way to  > mess things up.  >  > Hans        E In case of timestamp based licenses by setting the VAX time back to a @ period which is in-between the license starting date and license0 expire date, Ingres can run with the VAX reboot.B Hans, are there any other type of licenses (except timestamp basedB licenses) available in the market so that our customer couldn't be1 able run the Ingres after the license is expired.      Sukanta    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jun 2004 04:59:58 -0700 . From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso), Subject: Re: Start Ingres with VAX time back= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0406090359.6735f907@posting.google.com>   u JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<4923779675215143660f118938dfe129@news.teranews.com>...  > Sukanta wrote: > > J > > I found that if the Ingres license has already been expired then it isG > > possible to start the Ingres with the VAX reboot by setting the VAX 5 > > time back to a period when the license was valid.  >  > You do not need to reboot. >  > $SET TIME="08-JUN-1994 15:30"  > $LICENSE LOAD product name >  > then run your application. > N > If the product uses the VMS lincences, you can do LICENSE LIST/FULL and this; > will procide you with termination dates for each licence.  > O > If the product doesn't use VMS licenses, then you may not be able to find the  > real termination date. > M > Once you are finished with the product, you can simply set the time back to  > today's date.  > N > One thing to be careful about such time changes: while you are back in time,O > none of the scheduled batch jobs will run since they are now scheduled to run O > in a few years time. If you stay too long in the past, when you return to the O > present, a whole bunch of batch jobs that would have run progressively during G > the time you were in the past will now be unleashed at the same time.   D Better ask your CA reseller about the new model of Ingres licensing., Because CA announced Ingres as OpenSource !    Regards    FC   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jun 2004 08:11:02 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) , Subject: Re: Start Ingres with VAX time back3 Message-ID: <Qzxp4tuJYvZ+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <5c75209e.0406080521.1df293d2@posting.google.com>, smohapatra@hss.hns.com (Sukanta) writes:H > I found that if the Ingres license has already been expired then it isE > possible to start the Ingres with the VAX reboot by setting the VAX 3 > time back to a period when the license was valid.  > H > How can we check this type of problem( the validity period) so that ItF > should not be possible to start Ingres by setting the VAX time back. >  > regds 	 > Sukanta   9    Deleting the Ingress image files (.exe) comes to mind.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jun 2004 07:12:44 -0700 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)F Subject: Re: Understanding Peak virtual size VS UAF pgflquota+WSEXTENT= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0406090612.171ac363@posting.google.com>   f "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<%6oxc.7381$Xy3.24117@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>... > Hi > L > I'm having a hard time making sense of some of the numbers I see in a SHOW1 > PROCESS/ACCOUNTING vs the settings in UAF file.  > N > Although the application program does not actually exit with an InsufficientM > Virtual Memory error, I'm pretty sure this is the problem. The program just H > hangs after a while and I know it's using a lot of memory at the time. > G > I started with PGFLQUO in UAF set to 150,000 and the program crashed. C > I tried increasing the PGFLQUO in UAF to 300,000 and that worked. G > I tried decreasing to 50,000 (just to further make the point) and the $ > program crashed even more quickly. > So far it's all consistent.  > B > Problem comes with the Peak Virtual Size I see in SHOW PROC/ACCON > With a setting of PGFLQUO at 150,000, process peak usage is 341,856 when the > process hangs E > Setting at 300,000, peak usage is 353,008 and it runs to completion A > Setting at 50,000, peak usage at 292,016 when the process hangs  > 7 > WSQUOTA is always set to 7,168 and WSEXTENT to 16,384  > K > If Accounting reports that the usage is 342K when the quota is 150K, then M > how am I supposed to know how to set the quota if I know the process really " > needs 353K to run to completion?6 > Those number, AFAIK, are all pagelets (Alpha system) >  > Soemthing's unclear here.  >  > Thanks for your help!   F Is WSEXTENT really 16384? At least in v6.2 it is overridden by its PQL@ system parameter. I don't see how you can otherwise have 300000+F virtual pagelets when PGLFQUOTA is only 150000. But I am using VAX/VMS. v6.2, so take what I say with a grain of salt!  A Also, when ACCOUNTING says "Peak page file:" it really should say D "Peak virtual size:", at least it does on my VAX systems running VMS v6.1 and v6.2.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 04:08:57 -0400 . From: Gary L. Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com>= Subject: Re: Where have all the rec.travel.air regulars gone? 8 Message-ID: <ca6gcr$adl$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>  7 On Wed,  9 Jun 2004 05:00:01 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio  <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:    > 1 >Gary L. Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com> writes:  > H >>Still can't get that remailer thing right, eh coward.  Didja know yer'F >>over BI=20 with these?  Hehehe. So you're a coward AND a net abuser.! >>No wonder you post anonymously.  >  >What a pat[SPLAT]  F Poor anonymous coward. No matter how many times you post, people stillC see that you're a coward.  See coward remail. Coward remails often.  Remail coward, remail!     ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jun 2004 07:50:33 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: Xwindows: SAVE-AS question 3 Message-ID: <sbv9r74yIaSK@eisner.encompasserve.org>   p In article <64c27b7d152ef3dc080e8aac382aa8f0@news.teranews.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:G > When adding a SAVE-AS... menu item in an xwindows program, should one N > a- use a full fledged file selection menu to allow directory traversal etc, G > b- or should one just supply a simple dialog asking for a file name ?   C    Use the file selection menu as provided, with all the options on F    unless you have very string reasons not to.  Otherwise you risk theA    wrath of your users, who are going to want to do something you     didn't think of.   N > In the case of a file selection dialogue (VMS specific), any recommendationsI > on options that should be turned on/off to simplify the dialogue ? (for B > instance, would it be right to remove the file filter section ?       Leave it in.   P > In the case of a simple dialogue that asks for a file name, should the defaultK > directory be assumed to be sys$login (the home directory for that user) ?   G    The current default directory as set by "set default" should be the      "default directory".   O > (In my case, the data to be stored comes from aome library that could be in a \ > system directory, so it isn't obvious that one would want to SAVE-AS into that directory).  @    Then start the file dialog in some more reasonable directory.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 00:37:23 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>, Subject: Re: [OpenVMS V7.3-2] Mount question- Message-ID: <87n03cbscc.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   8 peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:  A > %MOUNT-F-DEVBUSYINSET, mount or dismount in progress on device,    So the mount failed because,    $DSAdevice$IN_SET lock failure   A it failed to get a lock. So is there a stale lock held somewhere, D is the LKM running out of resources and failing, or `other'. Are allD your patches up to date? I have a very slight feeling I've seen this a few years ago.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 08:14:03 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> F Subject: [OT]: IBM's view on how chips make 'valued-added' proposition, Message-ID: <ztKdnbF5I7OQYlvdRVn-tw@igs.net>   IBM's Computer-Server Business Puts the Squeeze on Rivals   By WILLIAM M. BULKELEY) Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL  June 9, 2004; Page B1   - ARMONK, N.Y. -- Big Blue is back in Big Iron.   H International Business Machines Corp., once a doormat for rivals hawkingG cheaper and faster computers, is making strong gains in the $46 billion F global market for heavy-duty "servers" that power most big businesses.  I IBM's server surge hasn't gained much notice, in part because it has been J overshadowed by a slowdown in the company's giant services business, whichK accounts for about half of its total revenue. But it has put the squeeze on F competitors. Servers -- essentially any computer bigger than a desktopG model -- coordinate computer networks, crunch data, dish out Web pages, 2 retrieve customer records and perform other tasks.  H After regaining the top spot in servers in 2002, IBM captured 32% of theK world-wide market last year, widening its lead over Hewlett-Packard Co., at A 27%, and a sinking Sun Microsystems Corp., with 12%, according to J International Data Corp., a market-research firm in Framingham, Mass. DellJ Inc., the only other major company that is growing in server-market share, stood at 9%.  K IBM's gains also defy widespread predictions that the computer landscape is J moving toward domination by low-priced, low-profit "Wintel" machines basedH on Intel Corp. microchips running Microsoft Corp.'s Windows software. ItJ also stands to be a long-term revenue builder for IBM, since servers driveI add-on sales of software, peripheral equipment and some service business.   F Although IBM has had success selling Wintel boxes of its own, its mostH powerful, higher-priced models use IBM-made chips and a variety of otherG operating-system software. Some are smaller, modernized versions of its I giant mainframes of yore, once the engine of IBM's profitability. Indeed, H IBM says the key to its gains was its decision to continue designing andL manufacturing a proprietary line of microprocessors, the miniature brains ofK computing, instead of standardizing on Intel chips as many competitors have G done. IBM also has been selling more servers that run on the free Linux * operating software, the bane of Microsoft.  I IBM's strategy is to capture the high-profit part of the server market by D using its chips to design machines with unique advantages, and avoidI competing with Dell for the low-margin commodity business. Innovation can 7 "break monopolies," says IBM server chief Bill Zeitler.     J German computer-services giant Sparkassen InformatikGmbH earlier this yearF placed one of the largest server orders in history -- 20 new-style IBME mainframes for an estimated $200 million (Sparkassen wouldn't discuss L prices). Among other recent wins: the American Society for the Prevention ofH Cruelty to Animals, which replaced an H-P server with an IBM, and AlpineJ Electronics, a unit of Alps Electric Co. that was a longtime H-P customer.D Alpine switched to IBM servers last year after concluding Big Blue'sE technology made its computers cheaper to operate, says Vasile Giulea, 6 information-technology manager at the car-audio maker,  I Steven Milunovich, an analyst with Merrill Lynch & Co., predicts that IBMhH and Dell should continue to gain share in servers "while H-P and Sun are caught in a squeeze."r  J IBM's Mr. Zeitler says his boss, Chief Executive Sam Palmisano, sees 15 toL 20 points of server market share "up for grabs," with IBM well-positioned toK gain. Mr. Zeitler says the server industry should see four or five years of F growth because of replacement of old machines and huge new demand fromK computing-intensive applications like high-tech security tags, digitizationr< of movies and video, and the computerization of health care.  K IBM's rivals say they will hold their own. At Sun, Clark Masters, executivesE vice president for enterprise systems, says his company has plenty oflL resources to continue designing high-performance chips for its computers. HeK adds that Sun's recent decision to buy Intel-compatible chips from Advanced < Micro Devices Inc. for use in low-end servers will make them6 price-competitive with IBM's and H-P's low-end models.  I H-P, meanwhile, has been touting a "high tech, low-cost" strategy that it H says will eventually prevail over IBM's "high tech, high-cost" strategy.L Mark Hudson, H-P's server marketing chief, says his company's long-term planK to phase out servers based on its proprietary chips in favor of Intel chips.L is good for customers, allowing it to provide "industry-standard components"% at prices "that customers will like."i  K It has been a slow but steady climb for IBM, which saw its near-monopoly inlJ business computing destroyed by competitors starting in the late 1980s. It@ hit a low of 23% of the server market in the IDC survey of 2000.  L Even before that, when things were looking their grimmest, then-CEO Louis V.K Gerstner Jr. asked the company's technologists why IBM shouldn't simply buy0J microprocessors from outsiders, as other computer vendors were starting toH do. Ravi Arimilli, who heads the engineering team that designs chips forL IBM's servers, says Mr. Gerstner's question forced the chip designers "to do something dramatic."  J Their solution: the first chip to include two processors on a single pieceL of silicon, called the Power4. The design cut costs and boosted performance.C Intel recently announced it will introduce chips with more than oneo processor next year.  L The Power4 chip became the heart of both IBM's family of servers running theJ Unix operating system that is popular in business computing, and of a lineG of midrange proprietary computers called the iSeries. Versions are alsorL being used in IBM supercomputers, including one called Blue Gene being builtL for the U.S. Energy Department's Lawrence Livermore Labs that is supposed toG be the world's fastest computer. This year, the new Power5 chip startedlG rolling out of IBM's $3 billion semiconductor fabrication plant in Eastc Fishkill, N.Y.  L Fossil Inc., a maker of watches and wallets based outside Dallas, consideredL IBM and several other vendors when it needed to create a world-wide computerL system to unify units in 13 countries. Ed Jurica, Fossil's chief informationG officer, says he was persuaded by the IBM machines' ability to run manyd+ different software programs simultaneously.t  B That capability, known as "virtualization," stems in part from theL two-in-one processor design of the Power4. Mr. Jurica says Fossil is runningF 27 software applications on four IBM servers, minimizing the number ofJ computers he needs in his computer room. "We saved space and we can changeK the system in a day" without having to buy a new computer, Mr. Jurica says.   H Some critics question whether IBM's bet on chips will pay off long term,I given the continuing industrywide trend of growth in Intel-based servers. J Indeed, IBM's Intel-based server product line was its fastest growing lastH year. Laura Conigliaro, analyst at Goldman Sachs Group Inc., calls IBM'sG chip operation an expensive "albatross" that the company "has chosen toeL stand by because of its strategic importance to the [server] systems group."  D Another vital reason that IBM makes its own chips is to preserve itsK near-monopoly in mainframe, the most expensive servers. These computers usenK an operating-system software that runs only on IBM's chips. Japan's FujitsueK Ltd. and Hitachi Ltd. dropped out of the mainframe business in 2002 because I they couldn't afford the cost of continuing to develop new chips to match L IBM's, though Unisys Corp. remains a niche competitor. IBM's mainframe salesI rose 34% in its first quarter, after a 7% rise in 2003, and its mainframenJ plant in Poughkeepsie, N.Y., is running three shifts a day to meet demand.  H IBM's chip business is supposed to stand on its own, and market to otherI customers. In recent years IBM won the microprocessor business of all theaI major video-game makers, and also sells the microprocessors used in Apple- Computer Inc.'s Macintoshes.  J But IBM engineers haven't been able to scale up the production of a numberG of types of chips ordered by other companies, so it isn't using the newnJ plant's full capacity. IBM's chip business reported a loss of $154 millionI in this year's first quarter, on top of a $252 million deficit last year. 2 IBM executives vow it will break even by year end.  F Earlier this year, IBM merged the chip business into the larger serverI business -- and made chip executives' bonuses dependent on server profitsMK rather than just chip sales -- to reflect the fact that "the reason we haveeL chips plants is because we're in the systems business," says Mr. Zeitler. InK the first quarter, IBM's combined systems and technology group had a pretaxoD profit of $170 million on $3.78 billion in sales. That compares withA Hewlett-Packard's $120 million profit on $4 billion in server andl data-storage sales.u        URL for this article:= http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB108674389886532377,00.htmlm   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:09:28 GMTz1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>-J Subject: Re: [OT]: IBM's view on how chips make 'valued-added' proposition< Message-ID: <c_Dxc.3698$gQ6.1139@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com>   John Smith wrote:y  > IBM's Computer-Server Business > Puts the Squeeze on Rivals >  > By WILLIAM M. BULKELEY+ > Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL' > June 9, 2004; Page B1a > / > ARMONK, N.Y. -- Big Blue is back in Big Iron.  > J > International Business Machines Corp., once a doormat for rivals hawkingI > cheaper and faster computers, is making strong gains in the $46 billion-H > global market for heavy-duty "servers" that power most big businesses. > K > IBM's server surge hasn't gained much notice, in part because it has been9L > overshadowed by a slowdown in the company's giant services business, whichM > accounts for about half of its total revenue. But it has put the squeeze onmH > competitors. Servers -- essentially any computer bigger than a desktopI > model -- coordinate computer networks, crunch data, dish out Web pages,l4 > retrieve customer records and perform other tasks. > J > After regaining the top spot in servers in 2002, IBM captured 32% of theM > world-wide market last year, widening its lead over Hewlett-Packard Co., at C > 27%, and a sinking Sun Microsystems Corp., with 12%, according tolL > International Data Corp., a market-research firm in Framingham, Mass. DellL > Inc., the only other major company that is growing in server-market share, > stood at 9%. > M > IBM's gains also defy widespread predictions that the computer landscape is L > moving toward domination by low-priced, low-profit "Wintel" machines basedJ > on Intel Corp. microchips running Microsoft Corp.'s Windows software. ItL > also stands to be a long-term revenue builder for IBM, since servers driveK > add-on sales of software, peripheral equipment and some service business.- > H > Although IBM has had success selling Wintel boxes of its own, its mostJ > powerful, higher-priced models use IBM-made chips and a variety of otherI > operating-system software. Some are smaller, modernized versions of itsaK > giant mainframes of yore, once the engine of IBM's profitability. Indeed,yJ > IBM says the key to its gains was its decision to continue designing andN > manufacturing a proprietary line of microprocessors, the miniature brains ofM > computing, instead of standardizing on Intel chips as many competitors haveiI > done. IBM also has been selling more servers that run on the free Linuxt, > operating software, the bane of Microsoft. > K > IBM's strategy is to capture the high-profit part of the server market byeF > using its chips to design machines with unique advantages, and avoidK > competing with Dell for the low-margin commodity business. Innovation canh9 > "break monopolies," says IBM server chief Bill Zeitler.t >  > L > German computer-services giant Sparkassen InformatikGmbH earlier this yearH > placed one of the largest server orders in history -- 20 new-style IBMG > mainframes for an estimated $200 million (Sparkassen wouldn't discuss N > prices). Among other recent wins: the American Society for the Prevention ofJ > Cruelty to Animals, which replaced an H-P server with an IBM, and AlpineL > Electronics, a unit of Alps Electric Co. that was a longtime H-P customer.F > Alpine switched to IBM servers last year after concluding Big Blue'sG > technology made its computers cheaper to operate, says Vasile Giulea,R8 > information-technology manager at the car-audio maker, > K > Steven Milunovich, an analyst with Merrill Lynch & Co., predicts that IBM-J > and Dell should continue to gain share in servers "while H-P and Sun are > caught in a squeeze."s > L > IBM's Mr. Zeitler says his boss, Chief Executive Sam Palmisano, sees 15 toN > 20 points of server market share "up for grabs," with IBM well-positioned toM > gain. Mr. Zeitler says the server industry should see four or five years of H > growth because of replacement of old machines and huge new demand fromM > computing-intensive applications like high-tech security tags, digitizationC> > of movies and video, and the computerization of health care. > M > IBM's rivals say they will hold their own. At Sun, Clark Masters, executiverG > vice president for enterprise systems, says his company has plenty ofeN > resources to continue designing high-performance chips for its computers. HeM > adds that Sun's recent decision to buy Intel-compatible chips from AdvancedS> > Micro Devices Inc. for use in low-end servers will make them8 > price-competitive with IBM's and H-P's low-end models. > K > H-P, meanwhile, has been touting a "high tech, low-cost" strategy that it J > says will eventually prevail over IBM's "high tech, high-cost" strategy.N > Mark Hudson, H-P's server marketing chief, says his company's long-term planM > to phase out servers based on its proprietary chips in favor of Intel chips-N > is good for customers, allowing it to provide "industry-standard components"' > at prices "that customers will like."j > M > It has been a slow but steady climb for IBM, which saw its near-monopoly ineL > business computing destroyed by competitors starting in the late 1980s. ItB > hit a low of 23% of the server market in the IDC survey of 2000. > N > Even before that, when things were looking their grimmest, then-CEO Louis V.M > Gerstner Jr. asked the company's technologists why IBM shouldn't simply buynL > microprocessors from outsiders, as other computer vendors were starting toJ > do. Ravi Arimilli, who heads the engineering team that designs chips forN > IBM's servers, says Mr. Gerstner's question forced the chip designers "to do > something dramatic." >   G HP Are you Listening!!!!!  Differentiate, don't capitulate!!! When you  H are at the mercy of chip manufacturers, you are just another one of the H same things, different page (most times the same page)... IBM took that E big step and changed books instead of being another page in the same wH book.   Hmmmmm. where have we heard this advice before??? Right here in I COV.  From everything I have ever known about Big Blue is they never did  I   what Wall Street wanted -- and always came out bigger and stronger and   usually on top!m   Michael.  L > Their solution: the first chip to include two processors on a single pieceN > of silicon, called the Power4. The design cut costs and boosted performance.E > Intel recently announced it will introduce chips with more than one  > processor next year. > N > The Power4 chip became the heart of both IBM's family of servers running theL > Unix operating system that is popular in business computing, and of a lineI > of midrange proprietary computers called the iSeries. Versions are also4N > being used in IBM supercomputers, including one called Blue Gene being builtN > for the U.S. Energy Department's Lawrence Livermore Labs that is supposed toI > be the world's fastest computer. This year, the new Power5 chip startedsI > rolling out of IBM's $3 billion semiconductor fabrication plant in East  > Fishkill, N.Y. > N > Fossil Inc., a maker of watches and wallets based outside Dallas, consideredN > IBM and several other vendors when it needed to create a world-wide computerN > system to unify units in 13 countries. Ed Jurica, Fossil's chief informationI > officer, says he was persuaded by the IBM machines' ability to run many - > different software programs simultaneously.a > D > That capability, known as "virtualization," stems in part from theN > two-in-one processor design of the Power4. Mr. Jurica says Fossil is runningH > 27 software applications on four IBM servers, minimizing the number ofL > computers he needs in his computer room. "We saved space and we can changeM > the system in a day" without having to buy a new computer, Mr. Jurica says.a > J > Some critics question whether IBM's bet on chips will pay off long term,K > given the continuing industrywide trend of growth in Intel-based servers.tL > Indeed, IBM's Intel-based server product line was its fastest growing lastJ > year. Laura Conigliaro, analyst at Goldman Sachs Group Inc., calls IBM'sI > chip operation an expensive "albatross" that the company "has chosen toUN > stand by because of its strategic importance to the [server] systems group." > F > Another vital reason that IBM makes its own chips is to preserve itsM > near-monopoly in mainframe, the most expensive servers. These computers use M > an operating-system software that runs only on IBM's chips. Japan's FujitsueM > Ltd. and Hitachi Ltd. dropped out of the mainframe business in 2002 because.K > they couldn't afford the cost of continuing to develop new chips to matchdN > IBM's, though Unisys Corp. remains a niche competitor. IBM's mainframe salesK > rose 34% in its first quarter, after a 7% rise in 2003, and its mainframe L > plant in Poughkeepsie, N.Y., is running three shifts a day to meet demand. > J > IBM's chip business is supposed to stand on its own, and market to otherK > customers. In recent years IBM won the microprocessor business of all the K > major video-game makers, and also sells the microprocessors used in Appler > Computer Inc.'s Macintoshes. > L > But IBM engineers haven't been able to scale up the production of a numberI > of types of chips ordered by other companies, so it isn't using the newsL > plant's full capacity. IBM's chip business reported a loss of $154 millionK > in this year's first quarter, on top of a $252 million deficit last year.r4 > IBM executives vow it will break even by year end. > H > Earlier this year, IBM merged the chip business into the larger serverK > business -- and made chip executives' bonuses dependent on server profits M > rather than just chip sales -- to reflect the fact that "the reason we have N > chips plants is because we're in the systems business," says Mr. Zeitler. InM > the first quarter, IBM's combined systems and technology group had a pretaxmF > profit of $170 million on $3.78 billion in sales. That compares withC > Hewlett-Packard's $120 million profit on $4 billion in server andc > data-storage sales.  >  >  >  >  URL for this article:? > http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB108674389886532377,00.htmll >  >  >    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.319 ************************