1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 10 Jun 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 321       Contents:* Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?NEC=B4s_Itanium_Blade?= Re: Exit and Exception Handlers  Re: Exit and Exception Handlers  Re: Exit and Exception Handlers % Re: Experience with solid state disks  Re: few questions  Re: few questions  Re: few questions  Re: few questions ; Re: Introducing CORE Migration http://www.coremigration.com  Re: Storing system files in CMS   The J F  M E Z E I  FAQ - 061004  The J F  M E Z E I  FAQ @ 060904= Re: Understanding Peak virtual size VS UAF pgflquota+WSEXTENT = Re: Understanding Peak virtual size VS UAF pgflquota+WSEXTENT = Re: Understanding Peak virtual size VS UAF pgflquota+WSEXTENT 5 Re: URL for latest Library and Tape Tools version 3.5 5 Re: URL for latest Library and Tape Tools version 3.5 5 Re: URL for latest Library and Tape Tools version 3.5  VMS Media and DOCs for Free 4 Re: Where have all the rec.travel.air regulars gone?2 Re: Why does idle telnet session get disconnected?2 Re: Why does idle telnet session get disconnected?2 Re: Why does idle telnet session get disconnected?# Re: [OpenVMS V7.3-2] Mount question # Re: [OpenVMS V7.3-2] Mount question   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 16:36:37 +0100 9 From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove_.harrison@__sun.com> 3 Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?NEC=B4s_Itanium_Blade?= 0 Message-ID: <ca9v66$5kr$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Fabio Cardoso wrote:D > I think its time to liberate OpenVMS from the HP hardware only !  > + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=16475 . > http://www.nec.co.jp/press/en/0406/0901.html >  >    A 10U blade server !!    With 9 x 2 CPU blades !!  + This appears to be a late April Fools Joke.    Regards  Andrew Harrison  > 	 > Regards  >  > FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:31:59 +0300 4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com>( Subject: Re: Exit and Exception Handlers& Message-ID: <40C862CF.74FFEA01@hp.com>   Z wrote: >  > Andreas Gruhl wrote:B > > This is what  $ STOP/IMAGE  is also able to do since VMS 7.3-1C > > It is a softer way to terminate an image than plain old  $ STOP ? > > But it keeps the process alive, which might not be desired.  >  > Is it a $FORCEX? > 2 > If so, it's about time DCL had a way to do that.
 On V7.3-1: $help stop/image     STOP     /IMAGE  3         /IMAGE [/IDENTIFICATION=pid] [process-name]   E      Calls the $FORCEX system service to stop the image of the target @      process specified in the process id or process name that is<      currently executing. The target process is not deleted.  D      If you omit the /IDENTIFICATION qualifier and the process name,=      the STOP/IMAGE command is identical to the STOP command.               --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2004 07:38:52 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ( Subject: Re: Exit and Exception Handlers3 Message-ID: <QwZxTf4Hhrt4@eisner.encompasserve.org>   S In article <40C74D08.1042C0E0@isidata.de>, Andreas Gruhl <gruhl@isidata.de> writes:  > @ > This is what  $ STOP/IMAGE  is also able to do since VMS 7.3-1A > It is a softer way to terminate an image than plain old  $ STOP = > But it keeps the process alive, which might not be desired.   A    Cool.  (Someday I'll have to get an update).  Can I stop/image     followed by stop/id?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:27:29 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>( Subject: Re: Exit and Exception Handlers* Message-ID: <2ir5u5Fq299kU1@uni-berlin.de>   Bob Koehler wrote:U > In article <40C74D08.1042C0E0@isidata.de>, Andreas Gruhl <gruhl@isidata.de> writes:  > @ >>This is what  $ STOP/IMAGE  is also able to do since VMS 7.3-1A >>It is a softer way to terminate an image than plain old  $ STOP = >>But it keeps the process alive, which might not be desired.  >  > C >    Cool.  (Someday I'll have to get an update).  Can I stop/image  >    followed by stop/id?  >   
 On _FTA15:   $ mc authorize UAF>    From another process  $ stop/image _FTA15:  	 On FTA15:   F %SYSTEM-F-FORCEX, forced exit of image from DCL STOP/IMAGE by another  process  $    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 02:41:27 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>. Subject: Re: Experience with solid state disks2 Message-ID: <EI6dnYQoa4H1n1XdRVn-hw@metrocast.net>  5 "David Harrold" <DHarrold@wi.rr.com> wrote in message 2 news:5e9ec09li7fb67118h4gphj44bg9sf6318@4ax.com... > J > We are looking at adding solid state disks to our environment.  Our DBAs are K > looking at using solid state disk for the redo logs to improve the Oracle  > performance. > F > Our current configuration is 3 GS1280s (16 CPUs and 64GB of memory), OracleH > 8.1.7.3, 2 EVA5000s and VMS V7.3-1.  We will be upgrading to V7.3-2 in another 
 > 2 weeks. > L > Is anyone using solid state disks in a VMS/Oracle environment?  If so, who is$ > the vender and how do you like it? > ! > Any input would be appreciated.   # Well, since you said *any* input...   G If your problem is the number of small log write requests generated per J second that must be made persistent individually, then you may not need anH SSD so much as stable, mirrored write-back cache for the REDO log disks,J which should be able to suck up at least 30 MB of log, per second (and perK disk-pair if you RAID-10 the log storage), as long as it can be provided in H large, sequential writes from the stable cache.  That's even the kind ofL thing that you might be able to configure right inside the EVA (I don't knowE anything about them):  the stable cache guarantees that the data will F eventually make it to the disk platters, and mirroring it provides the7 necessary protection against a single point of failure.   F Even a stand-alone disk pair, each with 8 MB or more of disk cache andJ backed by a redundant UPS setup, might fill the bill (though unless OracleK has built-in support to use such a pair as a software-mirrored log that can D be quickly recovered you might need hardware mirroring to obtain theL necessary recovery speed, with the added complexity of cooperating redundantL controllers to avoid, again, a single point of failure - my vague impressionF is that the HSx series controllers do this kind of thing pretty well).  I But given that I know virtually nothing about the *specific* hardware (or C database software) under discussion here, it may be no help at all.    - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2004 06:29:40 -0700. From: jonard@xlnsystems.com (Thomas A. Jonard) Subject: Re: few questions= Message-ID: <73843d93.0406100529.585d8d9c@posting.google.com>   s fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) wrote in message news:<f30679fb.0406091118.2346ff7d@posting.google.com>... x > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<s5PtTEj6Nddp@eisner.encompasserve.org>...q > > In article <f401eb7f.0406041616.255bd228@posting.google.com>, soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume) writes:    > ... ; > OpenVMS dont have good White Papers for the beginners  !  > Even for the experienced...  >  >  > 	 > Regards  >  > FC  A Maybe not but all the documentation is available online at the HP @ website.  Beginners should pay attention to the documents titledA "User's Guide for ..." as these are usually straight forward "how  to's".  9 Many other goodies are available to the curious at HP.COM   C Digital Press has always been a good source for VMS books and their > current offerings along with some other after-market books are* available on OpenVMS.ORG (click on BOOKS).   Tom   * (Thomas A. Jonard,  jonard@XLNsystems.com)   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2004 10:38:13 -0700- From: soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume)  Subject: Re: few questions= Message-ID: <f401eb7f.0406100938.4006d899@posting.google.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:0 >soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume) writes: > > F > > Again from a user/programmer perspective (the point that was being > > made), I feel that:  > - >    I think we'll have to agree to disagree.   D Cool.  Even fellow VMS bigots, errr proponents, don't always have to
 agree.  ;)  @ I kind of like to think of myself as a missionary converting the> unenlighted UNIX wanks, errr wonks, to VMS.  "Unix is an olderB operating system by about a decade", "Unix isn't as stable", "UnixE doesn't have real clustering", "just about any tool available on UNIX B is available on OpenVMS", and *"its easy to get around on OpenVMS,C HELP is better than man and the written documentation is AWESOME."*    JMOD   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2004 12:30:08 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: few questions3 Message-ID: <HdU+kBryHhO9@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <f30679fb.0406091118.2346ff7d@posting.google.com>, fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) writes: > ; > OpenVMS dont have good White Papers for the beginners  !  > Even for the experienced...  >   H    On of VMS' key features is that it came from DEC, who wrote excellentD    documentation which assumed the reader didn't know what they were	    doing.    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2004 10:48:56 -0700- From: soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume)  Subject: Re: few questions< Message-ID: <f401eb7f.0406100948.a6ea624@posting.google.com>   Fabio Cardoso wrote: > Bob Koehler wrote:   > > Nom de Plume wrote:  > > > H > > > Barry, yes and no.  I have to respectfully disagree.  UNIX and VMSH > > > perform mostly the same functionality but do it in a different wayJ > > > (e.g.: filesystem, user interface, etcetera).  Take the command line > > > interface for instance:  > > > G > >    Get real.  UNIX was designed from the bottom up as a timesharing I > >    system.  VMS was designed as a general pupose system:  it has both G > >    timesharing and realtime capabilities designed in.  Anyone who's C > >    done "realtime" on UNIX knows what functionality is lacking.  > ; > OpenVMS dont have good White Papers for the beginners  !  > Even for the experienced...     FC,   F I am not sure I understand.  What kind of white papers are you looking for?  A I arrived at college my freshman year several weeks early for the F soccer team.  Fortunately, the academic staff was around so I was ableB to get a computer account.  They had VMS 5.x? on a pair of 11/750sD (have one in my basement now).  With only HELP and the paper docs, IE was able to quickly find/learn my way around the system.  Do you need > anything else?  Either in that first semester or by the second5 semester I was a paid assistant in the computer labs.   F Talk about being a geek, I think I averaged 10 hours a day, seven days5 a week, on those things throughout my college career.    JMOD   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:09:55 +0200 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>D Subject: Re: Introducing CORE Migration http://www.coremigration.comB Message-ID: <40c84188$0$22995$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>   JF Mezei wrote: " > Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: > r >>In article <9d6a4bc616202257a1ce294ae7d7cc32@news.teranews.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:G >>Oh, haven't you heard, M$ is forced to stop selling Windows and other K >>products because their security problems lasts too long and made too much I >>damage to the world economy and M$ also didn't fulfill the promises for N >>fixing the holes for a much too long time. So, now it's too late for them... >  >  >  > nop... > P > Oh, haven't you heard ? While re-evaluating Windows security in order to avoidN > all the legal threaths of gross negligence, they have realised that the onlyO > way to fix windows is to rework the GUI API from scratch and this will render C > all existing applications useless on upcoming version of Windows.      yep...  D At least one of the many aspects concerning the inherently insecure 1 design of the Win32 API has been documented at...   ) http://security.tombom.co.uk/shatter.html    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2004 03:44:22 -0700( From: pulley_p@hotmail.com (Phil Pulley)( Subject: Re: Storing system files in CMS= Message-ID: <7041fc41.0406100244.60d0c4a9@posting.google.com>   y "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> wrote in message news:<DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-0OvFpDfntnv4@dave2_os2.home.ours>... F > On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:41:28 UTC, pulley_p@hotmail.com (Phil Pulley)  > wrote: >  > > ) > > No luck resolving this unfortunately!  > > I > > I have tried increasing quota's as suggested in various posts but the  > > problem remains unaffected.  > > > > > As a previous poster managed to store/retrieve these filesG > > successfully it is obviously a problem with the configuration of my , > > system or the version of CMS I am using. > > G > > However.... I have no more time to spend on it and will store these  > > files outside of CMS.  >  > PhilC >          I've cleared out a lot of the thread so I can't tell if  $ > someone has mentioned this before. > > > Wouldn't it be sufficient to keep a command file that would 6 > re-establish the UAF entries that you need for your H > project/installation. It would/could  help avoid destroying other UAF / > entries that are important to other projects.   D Could do - however these are dedicated workstations for running this> one app so the UAF file is pretty simple, also security policy9 requires that only essential accounts exist with specific " privilege/password configurations.  E As I said in previous post, I've done things differently now which is  quite satisfactory.   E I guess I just wanted to understand if there was a fundamental reason D why I couldn't store these files in CMS. Seems there isn't... except with my version!     Thanks   Phil   ------------------------------  , Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:10:04 +0200 (CEST)% From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> ) Subject: The J F  M E Z E I  FAQ - 061004 8 Message-ID: <768d7eb60f6d787b29b0bbd6deedf3c0@dizum.com>   FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS    About JF MEZEI  $ The "nobody" troll of rec.travel.air   (Rev. May 20, 2004)    1.  Who is JF Mezei?  C Jean-Francois Mezei is the worst netkook and megatroll to have ever C hit rec.travel.air and various other usenet newsgroups.  He is also 4 one of the longest running trolls in usenet history.  C ***WARNING:  JF MEZEI IS A ROGUE CANCELLER.  HE FORGES THE NAME AND C E-MAIL ADDRESS OF USENET POSTERS HE DOES NOT AGREE WITH AND CANCELS  THEIR MESSAGES.***  E If you participate in the same newsgroups he does, you should monitor E the control.cancel newsgroup.  If you find that he has cancelled your < messages, forward a copies of them to abuse@teksavvy.com and abuse@teranews.com .  " 2.  How long has he been trolling?   For well over a decade.    3.  Where does he live?    Montreal, Quebec, Canada   Jean-Francois Mezei  86 Harwood Gate  Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3  (514) 695-8259  2 His current e-mail address is jfmezei@teksavvy.com  * 4.  What makes him such a malicious troll?  C His trolling is constant, repetitious, relentless.  Once he invades D your newsgroup he will stay for decades, troll around the clock, dayF in and day out, every day of the year, for years and years on end.  He@ does not listen to pleas to stop, he does not listen to anything4 anyone tells him, he does not pay attention when theA misinformation/disinformation he posts is corrected, he just goes C right on trolling year in, year out like a little child holding his F ears closed while yelling "I can't hear you, I can't hear anything you say!"    5.  What does he troll about?   F His favorite subjects are USA-bashing and anything to do with sex.  HeB hates the USA and Americans and will hijack any thread and turn itC into a USA-bashing fest.  If he can't do that then he'll just start  making lewd posts.  $ 6.  What does he hate about the USA?  E Everything!  He is part of a larger group of Canadian trolls who have E a visceral hatred of the USA, motivated by envy mostly.  The USA is a B happier, better, more successful version of their country and they> can't stand it.  Some of JF's favorite troll bait is "the BushC regime", "the Bush-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz axis of evil", "Americans are B brainwashed", "Cars are evil", "SUVs are evil", "all Americans are stupid" etc.  # 7.  What about his sexual trolling?   E Ah, that is JF at his trolling best.  No sexual topic is too bizarre. > Among his favorites are child sexuality, masturbation, women'sA genitalia, sex toys, circumcision, the sex lives of Americans (of   course) ... the list is endless.   8.  Circumcision???   F Yes, JF trolled the circumcision newsgroups for years.  He still likes< to insert circumcision into his trolling every now and then.C Apparently, JF was traumatized as a child because his parents, poor B Hungarian immigrants to Canada, left him uncircumcised when he wasB born, as is the custom in most of the world.  Growing up in Canada@ where male infant circumcision was prevalent at the time, he was? psychologically scarred (so he claims).  As soon as he could he @ arranged to get himself snipped, and then joined the brigades ofE circumcision proselytizers in the newsgroups advocating the joys of a @ free willy.  His main argument is how much better he was able toB masturbate after getting circumcised without that "pesky foreskin"F getting in the way of his enjoyment, and he has made it his mission in' life to spread the circumcision gospel.   @ 9.  What's his interest in child sexuality?  That sounds kind of freaky.   @ Well, everything having to do with Mezei *is* freaky.  Among theE subjects dear to his heart are the genitals of little boys and girls, E especially little boy's foreskins (and how tight they are) and little @ girls' hymens.  He is also a tireless activist and advocate thatC children should be taught to masturbate early on so that they don't , grow up "sexually repressed like Americans".  E He also counsels all parents of boys that they constantly check their C little boys' penises and foreskins frequently to ensure a good fit, F proper movement, and that they be able to masturbate with no problems.A Utopia for JF would be a world full of parents manipulating their  little boys' penises.   @ 10.  Ewww!  This guy is sounding more and more disgusting by the+ minute!  Are you sure about all this stuff?   D Yes, you can check the google archives for yourself.  There's over a' decade full of Mezei trolling in there.   C 11.  How can I find all that out, doesn't he change aliases all the  time like all trolls do?  B Of course!  See the appendix below for a list of many of his known trolling aliases.   A 12.  So where does this guy get so much time to troll, doesn't he  work?   E Ha ha ha!  JF hasn't worked a day in his life!  He's an adult baby, a C grown man who still lives at home with mommy and sleeps all day and @ trolls the newsgroups all night.  In his free time when he isn'tF trolling he likes to ride his bike down to Dorval Airport and race the# planes down the runway in his bike.   9 13.  That seems strange, is he mentally ill or something?   D Bingo!  JF is a boy in a grown man's body.  Psychologically he neverA got past the age of 13 and got stuck in a world of bathroom humor F (i.e. "pull my finger!") and locker room antics that he has never been able to outgrow.  C 14.  Speaking of locker rooms, I heard he has a sexual fetish about  them, is that true?   @ Yes!  JF goes to the gym not to work out but to watch men in theB locker room.  He loves to post about the male sexual organs he has= seen in locker rooms over the years, especially his unnatural F obsession with foreskins.  He stalks the men in locker rooms trying toB measure how much foreskin they have, or how little is left if theyF have been circumcised.  He gets extremely excited when he spots a case of phimosis.  @ 15.  Oh my Gawd, this guy is nuts!  He should be locked up in an insane asylum!  D Yep, JF is certifiably insane.  He lives in a black helicopter / tin; foil hat world where others are out to get him.  The key to F understanding JF is that he sees himself as a VICTIM.  To JF the worldD is out to get him, especially the USA.  Victimhood is what JF is all about.  D What seems to have sent him over the edge was when the Canadian railD system was "killed", in his words.  He used to be a major train nut,D spotting trains, writing down their numbers and chasing them down atB the train yard like a good freak.  Then he turned his attention toC aviation.  Major events that made him fall head first deep into the C abyss were the bankruptcy of Canadian Airlines and their subsequent F takeover by Air Canada (whom he sees as evil).  So paranoid is he thatE when an Air Canada plane crashed he claimed that Air Canada employees D went lurking about in the night with buckets of white paint to coverE up the Air Canada markings.  He saw that as symbolic of a cover up of ; the crash investigation.  He has never recovered from this.   6 16.  Where else does he hang out, I want to avoid him!  F His main haunt on usenet is comp.os.vms, a newsgroup dedicated to someE ancient, arcane, obsolete piece of vax crapware that nobody has taken A seriously for decades.  JF hangs out there with other misfits and C social dropouts who share his psychological traumas, crying for the 1 good old vax days of yore.  It's really pathetic!   ! 17.  Where else does he hang out?   @ can.internet.highspeed, alt.cellular.fido, and a few other geekyD computer groups.  For a while after the Shuttle Columbia disaster heB invaded the sci.space groups, sci.space.shuttle in particular, andF trolled it relentlessly with the anti-American, conspiracy theory crapE he's so famous for.  But they ran him off that group and he had to go D crawling back to comp.os.vms with his tail between his legs, licking his wounds.   A 18.  It sounds like comp.os.vms is the only group he respects and  doesn't troll.  F Pretty much.  For a megatroll like JF it's impossible not to troll, so> he slips in troll bait every now and then, but by and large heA respects comp.os.vms, and, more importantly, he tries to hide his A trolling activities from them so they won't find out what a major  netkook he is.  F 19.  Wow, sounds like he should be exposed so they will know what kind of psycho he is!  E Exactly.  Feel free to post all his trolls to comp.os.vms.  And while F you're at it post them to can.internet.highspeed and alt.cellular.fido? too.  And to alt.usenet.kooks, a group for the likes of JF, and  news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.  4 20.  What else can I do?  Is there an abuse address?  D Yes, you should send complaints along with copies of his troll posts to:   * abuse@teksavvy.com , dnsadmin@teksavvy.com abuse@teranews.com  7 You can also call directly, troll free, 1-877-779-1575.    TekSavvy Solutions Inc.  330 Richmond St., Suite 205  Chatham, ON, Canada  N7M 1P7   D And feel free to distribute this FAQ freely.  Post it to newsgroups,C email it to people, you may host it at your own website, send it to D newspapers and magazines that do Internet articles or anything to do with Montreal or Canada, etc.      *** APPENDIX ***  @ List of some of the many trolling aliases used by Mezei over theF years.  This is only a partial list, he has so many it's impossible to compile a full list.   jfmezei@teksavvy.com jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com jfmezei@istop.com  jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com  jfmezei@videotron.ca jfmezei@vl.videotron.ca  nospam.jfmezei@videotron.ca  "jfmezei"@videotron.ca[nospam]   nobody <nobody@nobody.com> nobody <nobody@nobody.net> nobody <nobody@nobody.org> nobody <nobody@nobody.info>  nobody <nobody@nobody.int> nobody <nobody@nothing.nil>  nobody <nobody@null.dev>) Lorenna Bobbit <lbobbit@ginsu_knives.com> ' Lando Calrisian <Lcalrisian@empire.org>  muklak <muklak@eskimo.net> Sheep skin <sheep@station.au> # snowy squirrel <squirrel@nest.tree> ) Conspiracy Theory <conspiracy@theory.org> & Lou Raccoon <L.Raccoon@wilderness.org>$ Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>% Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>  Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>% Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org> " Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>$ Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>- Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com> ' Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com> " Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org> ' Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org> ( Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>& Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org> Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org> ' Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org> % Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>  Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org> ! Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org> # Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>   Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>$ Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>& Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>$ Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>* Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org> Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org>! Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>  Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org> $ Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org>! Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org> ! Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>   Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>$ Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org> Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>% Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org> % Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org> $ Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> Onani Room <onani@hotels.com> & Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>( Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>% Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org> % Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org> & Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>* Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>& Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>' Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org> ' Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org> ( Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>, Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>. Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil> ' Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org> % Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org> $ Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>" Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>& Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org># Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum> ( Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>% Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org> " Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>% Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org> & Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>' Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> ) Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org> ' Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> " Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>( Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>, George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>+ Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org> * Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>( Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>' Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org> * Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org> T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>  Q <queue@continuum.net>  Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>* Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>) John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>   ; *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY*                                                            -                                                          -                                                                  -                                                                -    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2004 08:28:29 -0000) From: Darrell Larose <cota348@rogers.com> ) Subject: The J F  M E Z E I  FAQ @ 060904 7 Message-ID: <1639893R38148.4364467593@anonymous.poster>    FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS    About JF MEZEI  $ The "nobody" troll of rec.travel.air   (Rev. May 20, 2004)    1.  Who is JF Mezei?  C Jean-Francois Mezei is the worst netkook and megatroll to have ever C hit rec.travel.air and various other usenet newsgroups.  He is also 4 one of the longest running trolls in usenet history.  C ***WARNING:  JF MEZEI IS A ROGUE CANCELLER.  HE FORGES THE NAME AND C E-MAIL ADDRESS OF USENET POSTERS HE DOES NOT AGREE WITH AND CANCELS  THEIR MESSAGES.***  E If you participate in the same newsgroups he does, you should monitor E the control.cancel newsgroup.  If you find that he has cancelled your < messages, forward a copies of them to abuse@teksavvy.com and abuse@teranews.com .  " 2.  How long has he been trolling?   For well over a decade.    3.  Where does he live?    Montreal, Quebec, Canada   Jean-Francois Mezei  86 Harwood Gate  Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3  (514) 695-8259  2 His current e-mail address is jfmezei@teksavvy.com  * 4.  What makes him such a malicious troll?  C His trolling is constant, repetitious, relentless.  Once he invades D your newsgroup he will stay for decades, troll around the clock, dayF in and day out, every day of the year, for years and years on end.  He@ does not listen to pleas to stop, he does not listen to anything4 anyone tells him, he does not pay attention when theA misinformation/disinformation he posts is corrected, he just goes C right on trolling year in, year out like a little child holding his F ears closed while yelling "I can't hear you, I can't hear anything you say!"    5.  What does he troll about?   F His favorite subjects are USA-bashing and anything to do with sex.  HeB hates the USA and Americans and will hijack any thread and turn itC into a USA-bashing fest.  If he can't do that then he'll just start  making lewd posts.  $ 6.  What does he hate about the USA?  E Everything!  He is part of a larger group of Canadian trolls who have E a visceral hatred of the USA, motivated by envy mostly.  The USA is a B happier, better, more successful version of their country and they> can't stand it.  Some of JF's favorite troll bait is "the BushC regime", "the Bush-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz axis of evil", "Americans are B brainwashed", "Cars are evil", "SUVs are evil", "all Americans are stupid" etc.  # 7.  What about his sexual trolling?   E Ah, that is JF at his trolling best.  No sexual topic is too bizarre. > Among his favorites are child sexuality, masturbation, women'sA genitalia, sex toys, circumcision, the sex lives of Americans (of   course) ... the list is endless.   8.  Circumcision???   F Yes, JF trolled the circumcision newsgroups for years.  He still likes< to insert circumcision into his trolling every now and then.C Apparently, JF was traumatized as a child because his parents, poor B Hungarian immigrants to Canada, left him uncircumcised when he wasB born, as is the custom in most of the world.  Growing up in Canada@ where male infant circumcision was prevalent at the time, he was? psychologically scarred (so he claims).  As soon as he could he @ arranged to get himself snipped, and then joined the brigades ofE circumcision proselytizers in the newsgroups advocating the joys of a @ free willy.  His main argument is how much better he was able toB masturbate after getting circumcised without that "pesky foreskin"F getting in the way of his enjoyment, and he has made it his mission in' life to spread the circumcision gospel.   @ 9.  What's his interest in child sexuality?  That sounds kind of freaky.   @ Well, everything having to do with Mezei *is* freaky.  Among theE subjects dear to his heart are the genitals of little boys and girls, E especially little boy's foreskins (and how tight they are) and little @ girls' hymens.  He is also a tireless activist and advocate thatC children should be taught to masturbate early on so that they don't , grow up "sexually repressed like Americans".  E He also counsels all parents of boys that they constantly check their C little boys' penises and foreskins frequently to ensure a good fit, F proper movement, and that they be able to masturbate with no problems.A Utopia for JF would be a world full of parents manipulating their  little boys' penises.   @ 10.  Ewww!  This guy is sounding more and more disgusting by the+ minute!  Are you sure about all this stuff?e  D Yes, you can check the google archives for yourself.  There's over a' decade full of Mezei trolling in there.   C 11.  How can I find all that out, doesn't he change aliases all the  time like all trolls do?  B Of course!  See the appendix below for a list of many of his known trolling aliases.   A 12.  So where does this guy get so much time to troll, doesn't her work?t  E Ha ha ha!  JF hasn't worked a day in his life!  He's an adult baby, aAC grown man who still lives at home with mommy and sleeps all day andT@ trolls the newsgroups all night.  In his free time when he isn'tF trolling he likes to ride his bike down to Dorval Airport and race the# planes down the runway in his bike.   9 13.  That seems strange, is he mentally ill or something?o  D Bingo!  JF is a boy in a grown man's body.  Psychologically he neverA got past the age of 13 and got stuck in a world of bathroom humorsF (i.e. "pull my finger!") and locker room antics that he has never been able to outgrow.  C 14.  Speaking of locker rooms, I heard he has a sexual fetish about? them, is that true?]  @ Yes!  JF goes to the gym not to work out but to watch men in theB locker room.  He loves to post about the male sexual organs he has= seen in locker rooms over the years, especially his unnaturaleF obsession with foreskins.  He stalks the men in locker rooms trying toB measure how much foreskin they have, or how little is left if theyF have been circumcised.  He gets extremely excited when he spots a case of phimosis.  @ 15.  Oh my Gawd, this guy is nuts!  He should be locked up in an insane asylum!  D Yep, JF is certifiably insane.  He lives in a black helicopter / tin; foil hat world where others are out to get him.  The key toaF understanding JF is that he sees himself as a VICTIM.  To JF the worldD is out to get him, especially the USA.  Victimhood is what JF is all about.  D What seems to have sent him over the edge was when the Canadian railD system was "killed", in his words.  He used to be a major train nut,D spotting trains, writing down their numbers and chasing them down atB the train yard like a good freak.  Then he turned his attention toC aviation.  Major events that made him fall head first deep into therC abyss were the bankruptcy of Canadian Airlines and their subsequentwF takeover by Air Canada (whom he sees as evil).  So paranoid is he thatE when an Air Canada plane crashed he claimed that Air Canada employeesOD went lurking about in the night with buckets of white paint to coverE up the Air Canada markings.  He saw that as symbolic of a cover up ofi; the crash investigation.  He has never recovered from this.e  6 16.  Where else does he hang out, I want to avoid him!  F His main haunt on usenet is comp.os.vms, a newsgroup dedicated to someE ancient, arcane, obsolete piece of vax crapware that nobody has taken A seriously for decades.  JF hangs out there with other misfits andhC social dropouts who share his psychological traumas, crying for the 1 good old vax days of yore.  It's really pathetic!o  ! 17.  Where else does he hang out?   @ can.internet.highspeed, alt.cellular.fido, and a few other geekyD computer groups.  For a while after the Shuttle Columbia disaster heB invaded the sci.space groups, sci.space.shuttle in particular, andF trolled it relentlessly with the anti-American, conspiracy theory crapE he's so famous for.  But they ran him off that group and he had to go-D crawling back to comp.os.vms with his tail between his legs, licking his wounds..  A 18.  It sounds like comp.os.vms is the only group he respects and- doesn't troll.  F Pretty much.  For a megatroll like JF it's impossible not to troll, so> he slips in troll bait every now and then, but by and large heA respects comp.os.vms, and, more importantly, he tries to hide hiswA trolling activities from them so they won't find out what a majore netkook he is.  F 19.  Wow, sounds like he should be exposed so they will know what kind of psycho he is!  E Exactly.  Feel free to post all his trolls to comp.os.vms.  And whileeF you're at it post them to can.internet.highspeed and alt.cellular.fido? too.  And to alt.usenet.kooks, a group for the likes of JF, andr news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.  4 20.  What else can I do?  Is there an abuse address?  D Yes, you should send complaints along with copies of his troll posts to:P  * abuse@teksavvy.com , dnsadmin@teksavvy.com abuse@teranews.com  7 You can also call directly, troll free, 1-877-779-1575.s   TekSavvy Solutions Inc.i 330 Richmond St., Suite 205  Chatham, ON, CanadaI N7M 1P7t  D And feel free to distribute this FAQ freely.  Post it to newsgroups,C email it to people, you may host it at your own website, send it toiD newspapers and magazines that do Internet articles or anything to do with Montreal or Canada, etc.      *** APPENDIX ***  @ List of some of the many trolling aliases used by Mezei over theF years.  This is only a partial list, he has so many it's impossible to compile a full list.   jfmezei@teksavvy.com jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com jfmezei@istop.comr jfmezei.spamnot@istop.coms jfmezei@videotron.ca jfmezei@vl.videotron.caa nospam.jfmezei@videotron.cag "jfmezei"@videotron.ca[nospam]   nobody <nobody@nobody.com> nobody <nobody@nobody.net> nobody <nobody@nobody.org> nobody <nobody@nobody.info>e nobody <nobody@nobody.int> nobody <nobody@nothing.nil>( nobody <nobody@null.dev>) Lorenna Bobbit <lbobbit@ginsu_knives.com>7' Lando Calrisian <Lcalrisian@empire.org>  muklak <muklak@eskimo.net> Sheep skin <sheep@station.au>k# snowy squirrel <squirrel@nest.tree>,) Conspiracy Theory <conspiracy@theory.org>i& Lou Raccoon <L.Raccoon@wilderness.org>$ Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>% Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>f Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>% Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org>r" Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>$ Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>- Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com> ' Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com>3" Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org>g' Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org>i( Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>& Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org> Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org>g' Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org>n% Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>u Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org>v! Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org>r# Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>e  Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>$ Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>& Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>$ Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>* Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org> Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org>! Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>r Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org>c$ Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org>! Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org>y! Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>f  Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>$ Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org> Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>% Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org>s% Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org>e$ Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> Onani Room <onani@hotels.com>a& Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>( Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>% Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org>0% Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org>x& Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>* Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>& Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>' Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org>s' Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org>1( Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>, Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>. Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil>n' Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org>s% Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org>c$ Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>" Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>& Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org># Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum>d( Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>% Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org> " Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>% Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org> & Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>' Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>g) Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org>O' Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>d" Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>( Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>, George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>+ Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org>,* Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>( Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>' Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org>(* Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org> T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>4 Q <queue@continuum.net>m Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>* Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>) John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>p  ; *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY*        -I       -'       -o       -        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~lE This message was posted via one or more anonymous remailing services.iE The original sender is unknown.  Any address shown in the From headere is unverified.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2004 00:39:05 -0700. From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk (Martin Kirby)F Subject: Re: Understanding Peak virtual size VS UAF pgflquota+WSEXTENT< Message-ID: <224291b.0406092339.6732fa84@posting.google.com>  M mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com wrote in message news:<igPu+FzOLZp+@cpva.saic.com>...-H > I believe that John is correct in suspecting backing stores other thanD > pagefiles here. When running an image part of your virtual addressG > space may consist of global sections or installed image sections (the< > RTLs).  E Yes virtual address space is going to include all the executable codeaB from installed images etc. Also any files that are mapped directly into memory or global sections.r   > >>> F > >>> Problem comes with the Peak Virtual Size I see in SHOW PROC/ACCOR > >>> With a setting of PGFLQUO at 150,000, process peak usage is 341,856 when the > >>> process hangs-I > >>> Setting at 300,000, peak usage is 353,008 and it runs to completionrE > >>> Setting at 50,000, peak usage at 292,016 when the process hangs0  C I was confused by these figures. However, if min page file quota is ; 100000 then the 50000 will really be 100000. So this gives:   C 191,856 pages of non-page file virtual address when quota is 150000  and " 192,016 pages when quota is 100000  : So that suggests you need a page file quota of say 175000.   Martin Kirby   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:08:10 -0700t+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>aF Subject: Re: Understanding Peak virtual size VS UAF pgflquota+WSEXTENT' Message-ID: <40C8795A.6010306@MMaz.com>a   Martin Kirby wrote:s  N >mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com wrote in message news:<igPu+FzOLZp+@cpva.saic.com>... >  s >cH >>I believe that John is correct in suspecting backing stores other thanD >>pagefiles here. When running an image part of your virtual addressG >>space may consist of global sections or installed image sections (thee >>RTLs). >>     >> > F >Yes virtual address space is going to include all the executable codeC >from installed images etc. Also any files that are mapped directlyn  >into memory or global sections. >a >  t >wE >>>>>Problem comes with the Peak Virtual Size I see in SHOW PROC/ACCOnQ >>>>>With a setting of PGFLQUO at 150,000, process peak usage is 341,856 when thes >>>>>process hangsH >>>>>Setting at 300,000, peak usage is 353,008 and it runs to completionD >>>>>Setting at 50,000, peak usage at 292,016 when the process hangs >>>>>          g >>>>>  >lD >I was confused by these figures. However, if min page file quota is< >100000 then the 50000 will really be 100000. So this gives: >gD >191,856 pages of non-page file virtual address when quota is 150000 >and c# >192,016 pages when quota is 100000e >3; >So that suggests you need a page file quota of say 175000.L >  A >TF I don't understand, disk storage is cheap, memory is almost as cheap, B why is there so much nit-picking on what amounts to a very little G overall difference in virtual address space?  If you were debating the dH difference between a VA of 50MB and 500MB, then then I could understand : the concern, but 25000 pages?  on a VAX, that is only 6MB!     Barry    -- i  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        l   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2004 10:41:57 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.orgF Subject: Re: Understanding Peak virtual size VS UAF pgflquota+WSEXTENT3 Message-ID: <WY9K+$RswLgr@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <40C8795A.6010306@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:n > Martin Kirby wrote:cJ [snip a fair bit of context -- it didn't go far enough back to be relevant anyway]0E >>I was confused by these figures. However, if min page file quota is:= >>100000 then the 50000 will really be 100000. So this gives:6 >>E >>191,856 pages of non-page file virtual address when quota is 150000> >>and $ >>192,016 pages when quota is 100000 >>< >>So that suggests you need a page file quota of say 175000. >>   >>H > I don't understand, disk storage is cheap, memory is almost as cheap, D > why is there so much nit-picking on what amounts to a very little I > overall difference in virtual address space?  If you were debating the  J > difference between a VA of 50MB and 500MB, then then I could understand < > the concern, but 25000 pages?  on a VAX, that is only 6MB!  
 12.5 MB.  :-)s  B I haven't been following closely, but I think we're past the pointB of solving the real problem and into the part where we explain theF apparent discrepancies between the observed numbers and the postulated	 behavior.n  C Have you ever read "The Cuckoo's Egg" by Clifford Stoll?  Sometimes @ trivial discrepancies in the observed numbers can be symptoms of# very significant underlying issues.n   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:56:43 +0200r* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>> Subject: Re: URL for latest Library and Tape Tools version 3.5* Message-ID: <2iqf1dFptotmU1@uni-berlin.de>   Peter Weaver wrote:aI > Just received a note from our Gold Storage TAM about the HP Library andi > Tape Tools for VMS.e >  > $ SET MODE/RANT=MAJORw > D > 1. The product tells me that first I have to install the "TerminfoJ > database." I have been working with VMS for 20 years, I do not know what > a "Terminfo database" is.h >    Ported from Unix:    man terminfo   NAME0         terminfo - terminal capability data base   SYNOPSIS         /sw/share/terminfo/*/*   DESCRIPTIONjI   Terminfo  is  a data base describing terminals, used by screen-orienteddI   programs such as nvi(1), rogue(1) and  libraries  such  as  curses(3X).hI   Terminfo describes terminals by giving a set of capabilities which they I   have, by specifying how to perform screen operations, and by specifyinge4   padding requirements and initialization sequences.     ...   I > 2. The product tells me that I need a logical named USR pointing to the > > database mentioned above. What happened to the standard thatD > DEC/Compaq/HP logicals would have a $ in them and that sites couldD > create logicals with no $ without having to worry about conflicts? >   ; Ported from Unix. /usr is a top level directory containing eH subdirectories such as bin, lib and share (which are roughly equivalent  to [SYSEXE] and [SYSLIB])m  H > 3. The web page states that the program wants me to set my terminal to= > VT100 mode. VT100's have been obsolete for almost 20 years.i >   E VT100 is as far as most terminal emulators in the Unix world seem to u
 have reached.d  > > 4. The web page states that the product will be installed inF > [000000.sys0.syscommon], should it not say SYS$COMMON? What will the? > installation do if I do not have a 0 root on my system drive?h >    Nasty.  F > 5. After installing the product I checked HELP to see what was added) > there. I do not see anything new there.  > H > 6. After installing I logged out and logged in to check if there was a6 > new command in DCLTABLES, I did not notice anything. > G > 7. I found a file called SYS$COMMON:[OPT.LTT.MISC]README_OVMS.TXT and I > typed it. It told me "For additional information on using this program,!H > please see the online help (available from the Start Programs menu andI > the program's toolbar)." Please tell me where to find a "Start ProgramshH > menu" on my VMS box. Or at least tell me where the "Program's toolbar" > is.h > 7 > 8. Given up all hope of finding instructions I tried; " > $ mcr SYS$COMMON:[OPT.LTT]HP_LTT5 > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image PTHREAD$RTL  > -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file6 > TSTBED$DRA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]PTHREAD$RTL.EXE< > -SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareable image >  > I give up. >  > $ SET MODE/NORANT" >    $ SET MODE /FOLLOWUP_RANTf  A Coming from the VMS world it never ceases to amaze me how labour  C intensive some of the *nix application installations can be, often a> requiring quite detailed knowledge of the OS and its utilities  B We may had had it cushy over the years with VMSINSTAL and PRODUCT F INSTALL, but I really don't see why *nix application developers can't = make it as easy as possible for the person doing the install.   E It sometimes seems to me as if everyone doing an installation has to e reinvent their own wheel.s  F Why oh why don't they simply get an experienced VMS person to vet and L test all of these ports, and particularly the README_OVMS.TXT or equivalent.  3 For example, here's a bit I wrote back in FEB-2001:h  F "Copying the OpenVMS Alpha Online Documentation Library (ODL) to disk.  G This article refers to the September 2000 ODL CD set for OpenVMS Alpha.e   ...)  H Instructions for doing this are contained in the  [README]ODL_UG.TXT on G the documentation CD. I have no idea whether the instructions work for  ; Tru64, but for OpenVMS, they are both wrong and incomplete.t   So here's how to do it. ...a  ? (full text available at http://sture.homeip.net/odl_copy.html )t  ? It really chucks me off that nobody seems to actually test the  G installations of these ports, it instead being left up to every person aD installing to try and figure out how to do themselves - reinventing   their own wheels in the process.  @ Please, please please, can someone with decent VMS knowledge be D allocated to testing and checking the installation instructions for & these ported products _on VMS itself_?   $ SET MODE /NOFOLLOWUP_RANTt   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:18:26 +0200w" From: labadie <labadie_g@decus.fr>> Subject: Re: URL for latest Library and Tape Tools version 3.52 Message-ID: <ca920b$7du$1@news-reader1.wanadoo.fr>   Paul Sture a crit : > Peter Weaver wrote:n >  > So here's how to do it. ...a > A > (full text available at http://sture.homeip.net/odl_copy.html )n > A > It really chucks me off that nobody seems to actually test the n > installations of these ports,t  F This reminds me of a product that was sold by Digital, but outsourced % (in Switzerland, if memory serves me) H We received it with a doc, saying the product added a verb with various H qualifiers. So we tested, and most of the qualifiers gave "unrecognized 
 qualifier..."e So sometimes nobody tests :-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:07:18 GMTe- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> > Subject: Re: URL for latest Library and Tape Tools version 3.5@ Message-ID: <05ed13a93469dac0cb2661e08bda07c5@news.teranews.com>   Paul Sture wrote:eB > Coming from the VMS world it never ceases to amaze me how labourD > intensive some of the *nix application installations can be, often@ > requiring quite detailed knowledge of the OS and its utilities   LEADERSHIP AND STANDARDS.g  K VMS had its standard VMSINSTAL, standards on users not using on $ logicals.a  I And while you can fault Windows and DLL hell, Windows also has a standard)* installation philosophy which most follow.  K Unix on the other hand is a mismash of contribitors without someone puttingfH its foot down to define installation philosophy, where to put files etc.  M And one of the big differences with VMS system managers is that we tend to belG more experienced as system managers and are better judges at quality ofuC installation procedure with regards to how well a product fits on ayE system,whether the install creates conflicts, put files in convenienth directories etc.  N Also, system manager coming from wintel world tend to have far less experienceJ in understanding how applications can co-exist on the same system and thus: don't pay as much attention to how products are installed.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:40:25 -0400e0 From: "Alan Boyles" <alan.boyles@mindspring.com>$ Subject: VMS Media and DOCs for Free0 Message-ID: <10cgshs4evu9m4f@corp.supernews.com>  J I have a whole bunch of distribution kits of VMS, VMS layered products andH documentation dating back to 1998 which I'd be willing to let go for the% huge price of  0$.  You pay shipping.r   Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:48:19 -0400t. From: Gary L. Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com>= Subject: Re: Where have all the rec.travel.air regulars gone?C8 Message-ID: <ca9s5n$c8b$2@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>  6 On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 00:29:57 -0500, Starshine Moonbeam# <silverbells@tacoshells.com> wrote:e  C >In article <ca8p80$q86$3@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>, "Gary L. eA >Burnore"(gburnore@databasix.com) dropped a +5 bundle of words...t > : >> On Wed,  9 Jun 2004 18:20:02 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio >> <nobody@dizum.com> wrote: >>   >> >3 >> >Gary L. Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote:a >> >< >> >>On Wed,  9 Jun 2004 05:00:01 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio >> >><nobody@dizum.com> wrote: >> >>a >> >>>6 >> >>>Gary L. Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com> writes: >> >>>M >> >>>>Still can't get that remailer thing right, eh coward.  Didja know yer'cK >> >>>>over BI=20 with these?  Hehehe. So you're a coward AND a net abuser.e& >> >>>>No wonder you post anonymously. >> >>> >> >>>What a pat[SPLAT]a >> >>w >> >>Poor [FLUSH]t >> >E >> >Poor convicted sex offender coward.  No matter how many times youcG >> >post, people still see that you're a convicted sex offender coward.sH >> >See cowardly convicted sex molester molest.  Coward molester molests< >> >often.  Molest, cowardly convicted sex molester, molest! >o$ >> Getting to you, aren't I, coward? >g# >I'm thinking maybe just a little. o  > What's really funny is that we had a planned outage to upgradeF circuits and several in an internal group talked about how much fun it> would be to use as a troll tactic.   We were going to announceE something like 'going off the air' but we didn't even need to do THAT  to hook a couple of loons.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:15:21 +0000 (UTC)l* From: bleau@UMTOF.UMD.EDU (Lawrence Bleau); Subject: Re: Why does idle telnet session get disconnected? 0 Message-ID: <caa4v9$q8o$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>  p In article <8c2a7c5c8285af1353e727b3751273c2@news.teranews.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >FH >If you do a $TCPIP SHOW SERV TELNET/FULL on both systems, can you see a >difference in the settings ?s  E Not really.  On UMTOF and UMTOF2 the IPv6 flag is set, but not on the@D others, but that's consistent with those two systems having a higher@ TCP/IP version.  Also, the Log File options includes Addr on one7 of the systems with the older TCPIP, but not the other.d  O >On my system, there is an "inactivity" in the display, but I haven't been able,/ >to find documentation on it. (it is set to 1).   
 Same here.  K >Note that many TELNET *clients* have options to keep-alive by sending somei >packets at regular intervals.  B But that would cause a disconnect on *all* idle sessions, not just/ some, wouldn't it?  That's not what's observed.l   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edum   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:18:42 +0000 (UTC)l* From: bleau@UMTOF.UMD.EDU (Lawrence Bleau); Subject: Re: Why does idle telnet session get disconnected?>0 Message-ID: <caa55i$q8o$2@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>  ` In article <slrncc9gg4.s0a.fdc@sesame.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu> writes:> >On 2004-06-07, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: >: Lawrence Bleau wrote: >:> G >:> I'm getting a user disconnect problem that seems to be dependent onn& >:> the version of VMS we're running.  >:K >Telnet idle disconnections can be due to all sorts of things, some of themlM >outside the host where the Telnet server is running.  The sure way to defeatn >them is...g  ? But the problem is the disconnect happens only on the older VMS.G sessions.  Setting an idle disconnect period period - or disabling it -  would apply to all sessions.   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edui   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:25:02 +0000 (UTC)n* From: bleau@UMTOF.UMD.EDU (Lawrence Bleau); Subject: Re: Why does idle telnet session get disconnected?y0 Message-ID: <caa5he$q8o$3@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>  p In article <Fj8xc.17639$rz4.9118@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com> writes:J >Quite possibly this is due to a change in the tcp_keepidle time which wasK >made to be RFC compliant.  I think, in UCX V4.2 the default value was 75s,WG >whereas the RFC required a default of 2 hours.  IIRC, this change took.G >effect as of V5.3.  In any case, your VPN is likely not seeing traffict. >within its idle timeout and so disconnecting. >gJ >You can try adjusting the VPN idle timeout to be greater than 2 hours, or >adjust tcp_keepidle with: >r) >    $ @sys$manager:tcpip$define_commands I >    $ sysconfig -r inet tcp_keepidle 150  ! 75 secs.  (I know some use ap  >value of 600 = 5 minute polls). >nM >After restarting telnet to pick up this change and verifying this fixes yourrC >problem, you might like to add this to TCPIP$ETC:SYSCONFIGTAB.DAT.    Matt,u  D This looks promising.  I can't change it just now, will have to waitB until later to test it out, and will let the group know next week.  A In the meanwhile, can you give me a URL that explains this optiondB enough so I can understand why it having a higher value would haveD this effect?  Email me privately if you don't want to post something( too long, else posting is fine.  Thanks.   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edut   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:35:00 +0000 (UTC)@6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER), Subject: Re: [OpenVMS V7.3-2] Mount question0 Message-ID: <newscache$or03zh$sk9$1@news.sil.at>  _ In article <90ans8NDq0Tz@cuebid.zko.dec.com>, brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes:a$ >(Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:6 >> So, my current guess is a resources problem so far. >> HH >> PS: Can someone please add a DEVBUSYINSET to HELP/MESSAGE and add the- >> ressources guess as a possible solutions ?< >R@ >I'll get it added, although it won't be in the V8.2 field test.   Thanks Rob.c# But hopefully in the final V8.2 ;-)y  C >With all due respect, it is highly unlikely that lack of resourceso >is the cause of the problem.0  F That means, you are guessing that the shadow merge fixed the problem ?   -Peter  F PS: I just realized that the shutdown of the satellite forced a shadowI merge on the 160GB shadowset again (which is currently running). So, nextYA problem is what was open on this disk at shutdown time and why...  --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:44:31 GMTa/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks)o, Subject: Re: [OpenVMS V7.3-2] Mount question- Message-ID: <+4jQ1eUu9ya5@cuebid.zko.dec.com>1  8 peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:3 > brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes:r% >>(Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: 7 >>> So, my current guess is a resources problem so far.o >>> I >>> PS: Can someone please add a DEVBUSYINSET to HELP/MESSAGE and add ther. >>> ressources guess as a possible solutions ? > D >>With all due respect, it is highly unlikely that lack of resources >>is the cause of the problem. > H > That means, you are guessing that the shadow merge fixed the problem ?  F No.  I'm guessing that the locking protocol messed itself up such thatB the mounting system was unable to acquire (or convert) the lock toD either EX or PW (I can't remember in which mode this lock is taken).  N I don't know how things got messed up, but it is the rebooting of the cluster,. not the subsequent merge, that "fixed" things.   -- a  M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com9   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.321 ************************malicious troll?  C His trolling is constant, repetitious, relentless.  Once he invades D your newsgroup he will stay for decades, troll around the clock, dayF in and day out, every day of the year, for years and years on end.  He@ does not listen to pleas  FTP access to this system is available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.n
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