1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 12 Jun 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 325       Contents:% any way to dismount and remount this? ) Re: any way to dismount and remount this?  Re: Development tools for VMS  Re: Development tools for VMS  Re: Development tools for VMS 9 Re: executing //jobs in os/390 or vms posted via internet 9 Re: executing //jobs in os/390 or vms posted via internet % Re: Experience with solid state disks % Re: Experience with solid state disks # Library Replacement command failure ' Re: Library Replacement command failure , Re: Opportunity for OVMS in mainstream press, Re: Opportunity for OVMS in mainstream press, Re: Opportunity for OVMS in mainstream press Re: SYSUAF.DAT  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:35:25 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply). Subject: any way to dismount and remount this?$ Message-ID: <caeppt$qvj$1@online.de>  G I've posted a similar question before, but never found a solution (and   I'm not sure there is one).   E Background: All disks are SCSI disks with a direct connection to only G one node, served to all nodes via MSCP, all disks (shadow sets) mounted H on all nodes.  I have a single-member shadow set as a temporary measure.A (The other member is an internal disk in another machine which is H currently offline since it is waiting to have a capacitor replaced.  TheG replacement machine doesn't have room for the internal disk.)  The node E it is connected to seems to crash once a week and despite having the  H console set to RESTART, it doesn't come back up (but does after a power 	 cycle).     E After such a reboot (and after me trying to dismount and remount it), # the disk is in the following state:    SYSMAN> do sh dev dsa530: 2 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node DANEELP Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntP  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count CntP DSA530:                 MntVerifyTimeout     0  DATA           3408657     1   1                          dismount2 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node GLADIAP Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntP  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count CntP DSA530:                 MntVerifyTimeout     0  DATA           3408657     1   22 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node ELIJAHP Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntP  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count CntP DSA530:                 Mounted              0  (remote mount)                 2 SYSMAN> do sh dev $44$dka300: 2 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node DANEELP Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntP  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count Cnt. $44$DKA300:   (ELIJAH)                       02 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node GLADIAP Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntP  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count Cnt. $44$DKA300:   (ELIJAH)  Online               02 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node ELIJAHP Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntP  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count Cnt. $44$DKA300:   (ELIJAH)  Online               0  I Any way to get out of this without a cluster reboot?  (I will be doing a  I cluster reboot in a week anyway, but still I would like to know.)  Would  I it be better to have it as a non-shadowed disk, at least until the other  D member is available again?  (For two-member shadow sets there is no H problem when a node goes down; the same node which crashed also hosts a # member of a two-member shadow set.)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:13:07 +0100 ) From: Tony Anrold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk> 2 Subject: Re: any way to dismount and remount this?- Message-ID: <caf31q$2ieo$1@godfrey.mcc.ac.uk>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: I > I've posted a similar question before, but never found a solution (and   > I'm not sure there is one).  > G > Background: All disks are SCSI disks with a direct connection to only I > one node, served to all nodes via MSCP, all disks (shadow sets) mounted J > on all nodes.  I have a single-member shadow set as a temporary measure.C > (The other member is an internal disk in another machine which is J > currently offline since it is waiting to have a capacitor replaced.  TheI > replacement machine doesn't have room for the internal disk.)  The node G > it is connected to seems to crash once a week and despite having the  J > console set to RESTART, it doesn't come back up (but does after a power  > cycle).    > G > After such a reboot (and after me trying to dismount and remount it), % > the disk is in the following state:  >  > SYSMAN> do sh dev dsa530: 4 > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node DANEELR > Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntR >  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count CntR > DSA530:                 MntVerifyTimeout     0  DATA           3408657     1   1" >                         dismount4 > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node GLADIAR > Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntR >  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count CntR > DSA530:                 MntVerifyTimeout     0  DATA           3408657     1   24 > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node ELIJAHR > Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntR >  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count CntR > DSA530:                 Mounted              0  (remote mount)                 2 > SYSMAN> do sh dev $44$dka300: 4 > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node DANEELR > Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntR >  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count Cnt0 > $44$DKA300:   (ELIJAH)                       04 > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node GLADIAR > Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntR >  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count Cnt0 > $44$DKA300:   (ELIJAH)  Online               04 > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node ELIJAHR > Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntR >  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count Cnt0 > $44$DKA300:   (ELIJAH)  Online               0 > K > Any way to get out of this without a cluster reboot?  (I will be doing a  K > cluster reboot in a week anyway, but still I would like to know.)  Would  K > it be better to have it as a non-shadowed disk, at least until the other  F > member is available again?  (For two-member shadow sets there is no J > problem when a node goes down; the same node which crashed also hosts a % > member of a two-member shadow set.)  >   E Is this a single member shadow set that just comprises $44dka300? It  I looks like the physical disk has successfully dismounted, but the system  E thinks the shadow device (DSA530) is still there. I can't see anyway  I round this except to reboot. Have you tried remounting the shadow set? I   suspect it will fail, but ...    Tony.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:34:36 +0200 , From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>& Subject: Re: Development tools for VMS* Message-ID: <2j016oFsl0itU1@uni-berlin.de>  5 "Thomas Wirt" <twnews@kittles.com> schreef in bericht 7 news:b3531425.0406111032.56a22fe1@posting.google.com... H > I am submitting the below question for one of my lead developers.  AnyF > information (even brief) on the subject of VMS development tools and% > environments, would be appreciated.  > 	 > Thanks,  > 
 > Thomas Wirt  > Systems Manager  >  > ******************** > @ > We are currently an OpenVMS shop and write all our proprietary
 > application G > programs using DEC Basic and DEC Forms with Oracle Rdb as the backend D > database. We have a Menu program also written in DEC Basic and DEC > Forms B > that is used to navigate from application program to application
 > program.G > The user interface hardware is either a VT character cell terminal or  > a PC > running VT emulation.  > C >   We are in the process of evaluating new application development  > tools thatB > will allow us to produce GUI applications, or even browser basedH > applications (Microsoft .NET, Oracle JDeveloper, etc).  Our hope is to > findH > an application development tool that can deploy an application program > toB > all three types of user interfaces: character cell terminal, GUI > screen, orH > internet browser, as it will be quite a few years until we can replace > all F > our VT terminals with PC's.  It will also be quite a few years until > we canG > convert our existing legacy system of Basic/DEC Forms programs to the  > new > > application tool as we are an extremely small shop of only 3
 > application ? > developers and spend most if not all of our time creating new  > applications, @ > instead of converting old applications over to the new format. >  > I have three issues:B > 1.) Does anyone know of an application development tool that canG > deploy to all three user interfaces that I mentioned (character cell,  > GUI, > browser)? B > 2.) Does anyone know of a conversion tool that would convert DECG > Basic and DEC Forms over to another technology like .NET, Java/Swing,  > or > other?? > 3.) Once we are deploying GUI applications, how do I create a B > menu system that allows the users to access the legacy DEC Forms
 > programs as B > well as the new GUI programs?  I don't want the users to have to > figure outH > if a particular application is available from the "old" character cell > menu,  > or the "new" GUI menu. > $ > Thanks for any light you can shed! >  > Dan Herron > Senior Programmer Analyst  > Kittles Home Furnishings > Indianapolis, Indiana  > <mailto:dherron@kittles.com>  F With the third question in mind, I'd suggest Uniface, a cross-platform development and deploymentD environment from Compuware. OptimalJ might help you with question 2.5 http://www.compuware.com/products/uniface/default.htm J I've seen Uniface software developed on Windows systems and have it run on openVMS. $ set mode/shout=on H YOU HEARD THAT RIGHT: UNIFACE IS STILL UNDER ACTIVE DEVELOPMENT FOR VMS! $ set mode/shout=off. In fact that same code runs on OS/390 as well.   Hans& (I have no connections with Compuware)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:25:59 -0500 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>& Subject: Re: Development tools for VMSE Message-ID: <craigberry-144E85.11255912062004@chi.news.speakeasy.net>   = In article <b3531425.0406111032.56a22fe1@posting.google.com>, (  twnews@kittles.com (Thomas Wirt) wrote:  N >   We are in the process of evaluating new application development tools thatB > will allow us to produce GUI applications, or even browser basedM > applications (Microsoft .NET, Oracle JDeveloper, etc).  Our hope is to find K > an application development tool that can deploy an application program to B > all three types of user interfaces: character cell terminal, GUIS > screen, or internet browser, as it will be quite a few years until we can replace " > all our VT terminals with PC's.   C There are a variety of approaches you could take, but most of HP's  4 solutions seem to be listed in one handy place here:  3 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/ebusiness/technology.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:56:11 -0700 + From: terry golden <terrygolden@brandx.net> & Subject: Re: Development tools for VMS- Message-ID: <cafcja$2h7o$1@madmax.keyway.net>   , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------0700090804050800020403049 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   8 Does anyone know of an application development tool thatE > can deploy to all three user interfaces that I mentioned (character E > cell, GUI, browser)? CPQ had a tool that you developed on the piece E o' crap for OpenVMS, but the current Love Interest is NetBeans a Free H ware based on a Sun offering. This really is a decades old best practiseF issue seperate your user interface code from biz logic, so you can chg0 your user interface w/o impacting your biz apps.  8 Does anyone know of a conversion tool that would convert? > DEC Basic and DEC Forms over to another technology like .NET, F > Java/Swing, or other? Sector7 offers a basic to ANSI C convert tool.J  DECforms Web Connector will read and generate JAVAscript and mid tier comM  0bjects which you can use bridge works to talk to user OpenVMS applications. !  Bridgeworks is a freedown load.    9 Once we are deploying GUI applications, how do I create a B > menu system that allows the users to access the legacy DEC FormsB > programs as well as the new GUI programs? WebTP Connect for ACMS? did provide some of this requirement. Best practise would be to @ buy an application middleware like ACMS, TUX to manage your appsE and user access to same, have the user access the apps from a Browser J based JAVA applet (so you can access app from cellphones, workstations,etcI and not have to update hundreds of pieces o' crap with the latest VB app) I make OpenVMS your app server middle tier, and have another system service  the database.        Paul Repacholi wrote:   ) >twnews@kittles.com (Thomas Wirt) writes:  >  >    > C >>I am submitting the below question for one of my lead developers. F >>Any information (even brief) on the subject of VMS development tools) >>and environments, would be appreciated.  >>     >> >  >    > @ >>We are currently an OpenVMS shop and write all our proprietaryD >>application programs using DEC Basic and DEC Forms with Oracle RdbE >>as the backend database. We have a Menu program also written in DEC ? >>Basic and DEC Forms that is used to navigate from application A >>program to application program.  The user interface hardware is C >>either a VT character cell terminal or a PC running VT emulation.  >>     >> >  >    > C >>  We are in the process of evaluating new application development ? >>tools that will allow us to produce GUI applications, or even F >>browser based applications (Microsoft .NET, Oracle JDeveloper, etc).E >>Our hope is to find an application development tool that can deploy ? >>an application program to all three types of user interfaces: F >>character cell terminal, GUI screen, or internet browser, as it willE >>be quite a few years until we can replace all our VT terminals with C >>PC's.  It will also be quite a few years until we can convert our ? >>existing legacy system of Basic/DEC Forms programs to the new > >>application tool as we are an extremely small shop of only 3> >>application developers and spend most if not all of our timeC >>creating new applications, instead of converting old applications  >>over to the new format.  >>     >> > H >Why? The `new' scheme will do nothing that you are not doing now. Well,G >except run up costs, and open you up to more bugs and malware than you  >want to imagine.  >  >    >  >>I have three issues: >>     >> >  >    > ? >>	1.) Does anyone know of an application development tool that E >>can deploy to all three user interfaces that I mentioned (character  >>cell, GUI, browser)? >>     >> >  >    > ? >>	2.) Does anyone know of a conversion tool that would convert ? >>DEC Basic and DEC Forms over to another technology like .NET,  >>Java/Swing, or other?  >>     >> >  >    > @ >>	3.) 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Best practise would be to @ buy an application middleware like ACMS, TUX to manage your appsE and user access to same, have the user access the apps from a Browser J based JAVA applet (so you can access app from cellphones, workstations,etcI and not have to update hundreds of pieces o' crap with the latest VB app) I make OpenVMS your app server middle tier, and have another system service  the database.  </pre> <br> <br> Paul Repacholi wrote:<br> B <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid87659xd4re.fsf@prep.synonet.com">   <pre wrap=""><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:twnews@kittles.com">twnews@kittles.com</a> (Thomas Wirt) writes:     </pre>   <blockquote type="cite">R     <pre wrap="">I am submitting the below question for one of my lead developers.D Any information (even brief) on the subject of VMS development tools' and environments, would be appreciated. 
     </pre>   </blockquote>    <pre wrap=""><!---->   </pre>   <blockquote type="cite">O     <pre wrap="">We are currently an OpenVMS shop and write all our proprietary B application programs using DEC Basic and DEC Forms with Oracle RdbC as the backend database. We have a Menu program also written in DEC = Basic and DEC Forms that is used to navigate from application ? program to application program.  The user interface hardware is A either a VT character cell terminal or a PC running VT emulation. 
     </pre>   </blockquote>    <pre wrap=""><!---->   </pre>   <blockquote type="cite">R     <pre wrap="">  We are in the process of evaluating new application development= tools that will allow us to produce GUI applications, or even D browser based applications (Microsoft .NET, Oracle JDeveloper, etc).C Our hope is to find an application development tool that can deploy = an application program to all three types of user interfaces: D character cell terminal, GUI screen, or internet browser, as it willC be quite a few years until we can replace all our VT terminals with A PC's.  It will also be quite a few years until we can convert our = existing legacy system of Basic/DEC Forms programs to the new < application tool as we are an extremely small shop of only 3< application developers and spend most if not all of our timeA creating new applications, instead of converting old applications  over to the new format. 
     </pre>   </blockquote>    <pre wrap=""><!---->G Why? The `new' scheme will do nothing that you are not doing now. Well, F except run up costs, and open you up to more bugs and malware than you want to imagine.     </pre>   <blockquote type="cite">%     <pre wrap="">I have three issues: 
     </pre>   </blockquote>    <pre wrap=""><!---->   </pre>   <blockquote type="cite">N     <pre wrap="">	1.) Does anyone know of an application development tool thatC can deploy to all three user interfaces that I mentioned (character  cell, GUI, browser)?
     </pre>   </blockquote>    <pre wrap=""><!---->   </pre>   <blockquote type="cite">N     <pre wrap="">	2.) Does anyone know of a conversion tool that would convert= DEC Basic and DEC Forms over to another technology like .NET,  Java/Swing, or other? 
     </pre>   </blockquote>    <pre wrap=""><!---->   </pre>   <blockquote type="cite">O     <pre wrap="">	3.) Once we are deploying GUI applications, how do I create a @ menu system that allows the users to access the legacy DEC FormsD programs as well as the new GUI programs?  I don't want the users toD have to figure out if a particular application is available from the1 "old" character cell menu, or the "new" GUI menu. 
     </pre>   </blockquote>    <pre wrap=""><!---->C These are problems, not solutions... Not going `new' and `improved'  solves all 3.    You owe the doctor 25c.      </pre>
 </blockquote>  </body>  </html>   ( --------------070009080405080002040304--   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:27:45 +0200 , From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>B Subject: Re: executing //jobs in os/390 or vms posted via internet* Message-ID: <2j00ptFsamqrU1@uni-berlin.de>  2 "Andrew Makhorin" <mao@gnu.org> schreef in bericht6 news:4209937f.0406112142.ff838b2@posting.google.com...9 > "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl> wrote in message & news:<2iu84uFr5ou3U1@uni-berlin.de>...6 > > "Andrew Makhorin" <mao@gnu.org> schreef in bericht; > > news:4209937f.0406110205.3a27f3f1@posting.google.com... L > > > Does anyone know if there is a server publically available through theL > > > internet which is able to execute //jobs in os/390 or mvs environment?H > > > I mean that I post a //job to that server and receive its listing. > > >  > > > Thank you, > > >  > > > Andrew Makhorin  > > K > > Not that I know of, but why don't you install Hercules and run MVS 3.8?  > C > I've got Hercules installed as well as os/360, but I need os/390.  > I > (I bring my apologies that I intervented into the wrong forum; in fact, & > vms and mvs are different things :+) >  > Thank you, >  > Andrew Makhorin   K Wouldn't it be possible to install os/390 on Hercules? Provided that you've  got ) the correct installation media of course.    Hans   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2004 10:47:10 -0700# From: mao@gnu.org (Andrew Makhorin) B Subject: Re: executing //jobs in os/390 or vms posted via internet= Message-ID: <4209937f.0406120947.1677738c@posting.google.com>   ^ "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl> wrote in message news:<2j00ptFsamqrU1@uni-berlin.de>...4 > "Andrew Makhorin" <mao@gnu.org> schreef in bericht8 > news:4209937f.0406112142.ff838b2@posting.google.com...; > > "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl> wrote in message ) >  news:<2iu84uFr5ou3U1@uni-berlin.de>... 8 > > > "Andrew Makhorin" <mao@gnu.org> schreef in bericht= > > > news:4209937f.0406110205.3a27f3f1@posting.google.com... N > > > > Does anyone know if there is a server publically available through theN > > > > internet which is able to execute //jobs in os/390 or mvs environment?J > > > > I mean that I post a //job to that server and receive its listing. > > > >  > > > > Thank you, > > > >  > > > > Andrew Makhorin  > > > M > > > Not that I know of, but why don't you install Hercules and run MVS 3.8?  > > E > > I've got Hercules installed as well as os/360, but I need os/390.  > > K > > (I bring my apologies that I intervented into the wrong forum; in fact, ( > > vms and mvs are different things :+) > >  > > Thank you, > >  > > Andrew Makhorin  > M > Wouldn't it be possible to install os/390 on Hercules? Provided that you've  > got + > the correct installation media of course.  >  > Hans  F That's a great idea :+) However, I havn't got os/390 distribution, andI even if I'd have got it, I couldn't install it due to licensing problems. F Afaik IBM doesn't object against free using of os/360 distribution (at: least as herculesians say), but not of os/390 neither mvs.   Andrew Makhorin    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 01:27:28 -0500 % From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> . Subject: Re: Experience with solid state disks5 Message-ID: <dnxyc.1654$WX1.27@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>   & <prosullivan@aol.com> wrote in message7 news:a14b767a.0406101627.5a9284bf@posting.google.com... H > But first, you need to quantify that your redo logs are the bottleneckD > before throwing hardware at it. And unfortunately, the EVA doesn't > have& > any performance monitoring features. > H > - Not quite: watch out for the SAN monitor which creates a process perG > device for EVA's on VMS. For me, I use PerfCap PAWZ VMS collector and H > capacity planner which does get me FC card usage, actual disk response@ > time, and logical/physical correlation on a per process basis.   Not quite either!   J I can monitor/log my SAN switch traffic all year! :-)  but even HP agree'sL that "I" cannot tell what the EVA is doing.  HP has a special appliance thatL can record some of this info, but it is not available to the general public.  L Q:  If you have 100 servers pounding the EVA, can you actually tell what the EVA itself is doing?J Yes you can as you state check each of 100 servers to ask each server whatJ it thinks the disk is doing, but does that really reflect the state of the EVA controllers?L I can monitor all 4 ports of the EVA and see that the port is either busy or	 not busy.   L The best thing that we have been using is MONITOR DISK/ITEM=QUE to see if weJ have a performance bottleneck   It was kind of neat to watch the que depthH toggle up/down as I switched active paths on the disk drive from one SAN4 port/controller to another SAN port/controller.  :-)  
 Mike Naime   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 10:20:01 -0700 + From: terry golden <terrygolden@brandx.net> . Subject: Re: Experience with solid state disks- Message-ID: <cafe00$2i5s$1@madmax.keyway.net>   , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------0800060704010700060409069 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit    David,  I I  would highly recommend solid state storage for the redo logs, as from  > my experience and others you can improve response time by 2-3XG over cluster mounted disk shadow sets. The only exception would be the  ; high end HP storage device which offers a full GB of cache.    Rob Young wrote:  d >In article <5e9ec09li7fb67118h4gphj44bg9sf6318@4ax.com>, David Harrold <DHarrold@wi.rr.com> writes: >    > N >>We are looking at adding solid state disks to our environment.  Our DBAs areK >>looking at using solid state disk for the redo logs to improve the Oracle  >>performance. >>M >>Our current configuration is 3 GS1280s (16 CPUs and 64GB of memory), Oracle P >>8.1.7.3, 2 EVA5000s and VMS V7.3-1.  We will be upgrading to V7.3-2 in another
 >>2 weeks. >>O >>Is anyone using solid state disks in a VMS/Oracle environment?  If so, who is $ >>the vender and how do you like it? >>! >>Any input would be appreciated.  >>	 >>Thanks,  >> >>     >> > < >	Too bad you weren't talking about 2 nodes.  You could veryC >	cheaply have a RamDisk on each node and shadow them.  I certainly @ >	wouldn't recommend 3 RamDisks :-).  With 2 RamDisks, two nodes >	fly, one node doesn't. > @ >	Probably your best way to go (just as cheap or expensive - ha)C >	as solid state is quite expensive is to use PermaCache.  However, % >	PermaCache isn't supported for VMS.  > * >	So you are looking at solid state, okay. > ! >	With 64 GBytes of ram, how much ? >	is that dedicated to Oracle SGA?  Enough?  Of course.  So you C >	are trying to speed up truly random reads as the EMC storage will ? >	pre-fetch for you on sequential reads and catch those writes.  > > >	So maybe you are bottlenecked on reads and seeing high queueB >	lengths?  If so, with 7.3-2 go to triple-shadowing those red-hot? >	disks across metas that are sharing different physical disks.  > ? >	I'm in rambling mood , but I'm curious as to what problem you A >	are solving with a solid state disk?  Here is a thread from an  , >	earlier post, re: solid state performance: > [ >http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=YrbWQa1roZXz%40eisner.encompasserve.org&output=gplain  >  >				Rob >  >    >   & --------------080006070401070006040906) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   ? <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">  <html> <head>I   <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1">    <title></title>  </head> ' <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> 
 David,<br> <br>H I&nbsp; would highly recommend solid state storage for the redo logs, asH from my experience and others you can improve response time by 2-3X <br>E over cluster mounted disk shadow sets. The only exception would <b>be G the high end HP storage device which offers a full GB of cache.</b><br>  <br> Rob Young wrote:<br>H <blockquote type="cite" cite="midXtoqBDiqAsGe@eisner.encompasserve.org">"  <pre wrap="">In article <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:5e9ec09li7fb67118h4gphj44bg9sf6318@4ax.com">&lt;5e9ec09li7fb67118h4gphj44bg9sf6318@4ax.com&gt;</a>, David Harrold <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:DHarrold@wi.rr.com">&lt;DHarrold@wi.rr.com&gt;</a> writes:   </pre>   <blockquote type="cite">]     <pre wrap="">We are looking at adding solid state disks to our environment.  Our DBAs are I looking at using solid state disk for the redo logs to improve the Oracle  performance.  K Our current configuration is 3 GS1280s (16 CPUs and 64GB of memory), Oracle N 8.1.7.3, 2 EVA5000s and VMS V7.3-1.  We will be upgrading to V7.3-2 in another 2 weeks.  M Is anyone using solid state disks in a VMS/Oracle environment?  If so, who is " the vender and how do you like it?   Any input would be appreciated.    Thanks,   
     </pre>   </blockquote>    <pre wrap=""><!---->; 	Too bad you weren't talking about 2 nodes.  You could very B 	cheaply have a RamDisk on each node and shadow them.  I certainly? 	wouldn't recommend 3 RamDisks :-).  With 2 RamDisks, two nodes  	fly, one node doesn't.   ? 	Probably your best way to go (just as cheap or expensive - ha) B 	as solid state is quite expensive is to use PermaCache.  However,$ 	PermaCache isn't supported for VMS.  ) 	So you are looking at solid state, okay.     	With 64 GBytes of ram, how much> 	is that dedicated to Oracle SGA?  Enough?  Of course.  So youB 	are trying to speed up truly random reads as the EMC storage will> 	pre-fetch for you on sequential reads and catch those writes.  = 	So maybe you are bottlenecked on reads and seeing high queue A 	lengths?  If so, with 7.3-2 go to triple-shadowing those red-hot > 	disks across metas that are sharing different physical disks.  > 	I'm in rambling mood , but I'm curious as to what problem you@ 	are solving with a solid state disk?  Here is a thread from an + 	earlier post, re: solid state performance:    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=YrbWQa1roZXz%40eisner.encompasserve.org&output=gplain">http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=YrbWQa1roZXz%40eisner.encompasserve.org&amp;output=gplain</a>    				Rob      </pre>
 </blockquote>  </body>  </html>   ( --------------080006070401070006040906--   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:15:59 +0000 (UTC) + From: "Rob H" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> , Subject: Library Replacement command failure0 Message-ID: <caevmf$72o$1@sparta.btinternet.com>  J I am trying to run the following on VMS 7.2-1 but it's failing. Command isK part of a com file and has worked previously. Anyone tell me what the error = actually means and how to solve? What is an !AS and and RFA!?c  - NODE> $ library/replace/log helplib.hlb a.hlp / %LIBRAR-E-INSERTERR, error inserting !AS in !ASe   -LBR-E-INVRFA, invalid RFA   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:57:59 +0200l* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>0 Subject: Re: Library Replacement command failure* Message-ID: <2j0gf9Frsfb3U1@uni-berlin.de>   Rob H wrote:L > I am trying to run the following on VMS 7.2-1 but it's failing. Command isM > part of a com file and has worked previously. Anyone tell me what the errorE? > actually means and how to solve? What is an !AS and and RFA!?w > / > NODE> $ library/replace/log helplib.hlb a.hlp$1 > %LIBRAR-E-INSERTERR, error inserting !AS in !ASb >  > -LBR-E-INVRFA, invalid RFA >  > A !AS and !AS are formatting string, and LIBRARY should be putting s informational text in them.o  H Invalid RFA means that the LIBRARY command is trying to access a record G by RFA - Record File Address. Every record in an RMS file has a unique rI RFA, which can be used for rapid access instead of going through indexes.r  : So it looks as though you help library is somehow corrupt.  D Try using the LIBRARY /COMPRESS facility to create a new compressed H library. See the help for more details, and make sure you have a backup ; to cater for the eventuality that something gets messed up.d  F /COMPRESS creates a new library file, so make sure that you have your E default set to SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP] to avoid the output file going to  
 SYS$SPECIFIC.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 10:02:24 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>5 Subject: Re: Opportunity for OVMS in mainstream presss* Message-ID: <2ivrkhFru2o0U1@uni-berlin.de>   Kenneth Farmer wrote: N > OK folks...here's an opportunity OVMS in the press.  I've been approached byM > a mainstream publisher/writer.  I could answer these questions but I'd like M > to make this a community effort, strength in numbers and knowledge.  I need M > OpenVMS customers to answer these questions.  From there I will compile the0( > answers with the help of a few others. >  > A few bullet points... > E > - Please send your responses to me via email,  kfarmer/openvms.org. J > - Be careful about what you say as far as sensitive info, company names,@ > etc.  But company names and their usage would be very helpful.J > - I want to try and have something back to this guy by Monday/Tuesday of > next week. >  > ? > 1. What stats do you have on OpenVMS usage in the enterprise?E > 8 > 2. What applications does OpenVMS tend to be used for? > F > 3. Why has it hung on so well despite so many reports of its demise? > 8 > 4. Why is OpenVMS so well suited to disaster recovery? > 1 > 5. Anything else you wish to add about OpenVMS?n >   G TCO. Coincidentally, yesterday I came across a Sep-2002 post here that e& I'd stashed away for future reference.  & "Re: costs of Win2K dataCentre vs VMS"   http://tinyurl.com/233mt  F OK, that's only compares the DataCenter solution, but it mentions the E backup and job control included with VMS, which are add-ons for W2K.  2 They are also add-ons for non-Windows systems too.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:08:15 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>t5 Subject: Re: Opportunity for OVMS in mainstream presst& Message-ID: <40CAE41F.38020E2@aaa.com>   "Dr. Dweeb" wrote: > ? > ESSNet is also swedish and has 7-8% of the world Lotto marketh  7 And are currently looking for "about" 20 new developerst and others :   http://www.essnet.se  * Check : "Career" and "References" links...  	 Jan-Erik.o   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:50:10 +0000 (UTC)u From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk5 Subject: Re: Opportunity for OVMS in mainstream pressy) Message-ID: <caf1mi$fgc$2@news.mdx.ac.uk>   P In article <cacq6e$2ion$1@news.cybercity.dk>, "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com> writes: >Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote: >> JF Mezei wrote: >>>r  >>> (email privately seperately) >>>e >>> Kenneth Farmer wrote:k; >>>> 2. What applications does OpenVMS tend to be used for?oB >>> accounting, web serving, SMTP server,  some office automation,9 >>> development, network monitoring, FTP and many others.w >>? >> (Are smtp and ftp realy "applications" ? I'd call then "base  >> services"...) >> >> Anyway, don't forget :  >>@ >> - The whole industial sector, such as all kinds of production >> monitoring systems. >>H >> - Stock exchanges (with the Swedish company "OM Technology" as one of >> the largest >>   software players.)l >>D >> - The gaming/lottery area. The Swedish state owned "Svenska Spel" >> ("Swedish Games")E >>   runs most (all?) of theirs back-end systems suporting the onlinei >> terminals on VMS. >> > ? >None of what follows is terribly secret, so I will name names.x >tF >ESSNet is also swedish and has 7-8% of the world Lotto market - againL >OpenVMS/OracleRdb backend.  I thought it had Sweden as well, but apparently >now - shows how little I know.C > J >SciGames in Austria is also a player in that market - AFAIK they are also >OpenVMS/OracleRdb.  >  >> - Telecom billing systems.U >>I >> - What about NASA ? I thought the system that continiously logs health  >> data I >> from the astronauts on the space shuttle was running on VMS and Rdb !?  >> > L >At least previously, JPL stored rocket engine statistical and other data on >OpenVMS/OracleRdb.3 >6J >Which brings us to the obvious point that if you want to understand whereM >all the big important sites are, then you could do worse than to ask the RdbN2 >Mailing list - check out www.jcc.com for details. >  >  >Other big sites.  >S? >DirecTV orders/billing - OpenVMS/OracleRdb - Massive TP volume K >NY State toll roads/RF billing - OpenVMS/OracleRdb - Massive data volumes.x! >Is E*Trade is still on OpenVMS ? + >NYMEX trades directly on OpenVMS/OracleRdbeK >Deutsche Bank Money Market Trading (was Bankers Trust) - OpenVMS (not sure  >about data storage) >t >t> >Wheres Kerry when we need him, he has probably got a hundred% >names/industries to add to the list.A > J Well for a few more you can go to HP's OPENVMS Success stories web page :-  . http://h71000.www7.hp.com/success-stories.html  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University       > 
 >Dr. Dweeb >S >> Jan-Erik. >o >n   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2004 07:22:14 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)m Subject: Re: SYSUAF.DATs3 Message-ID: <GAjmEwJ6F96s@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <40CA716D.31BCFD53@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > CBarry wrote:e >> gG >> Can anyone tell me the easiest way to reset uai_logfail count?  I am F >> running 6.2 and I have several accounts that need to be reset to 0.= >> Can this be done in authorize or must a script be written?h >> Appreciate any help.  > I > To my knowledge, the only way is to have a successful login. This countbG > does not prevent login - that's the result of intrusion detection andtI > evasion. If the account does not get automatically DISUSER'd, the logine5 > attempt can be repeated after LGI_BRK_LIM attempts.   B The purpose of the Logfail count, like the Last Login information,A is feedback to the authorized users about attempted or successful 0 (respectively) unauthorized use of the username.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.325 ************************