1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 13 Jun 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 326       Contents:! Announcing Fall 2003 VMS sigtapes   Electronic Component Spare Parts Re: Is /verify necessary? , Re: Opportunity for OVMS in mainstream press, Re: Opportunity for OVMS in mainstream press, Re: Opportunity for OVMS in mainstream press Re: SWS-2.0 (Apache) & CGI ???  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 19:00:33 -0400 " From: Glenn Everhart <gce@gce.com>* Subject: Announcing Fall 2003 VMS sigtapes3 Message-ID: <40cb8b3e$0$3029$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>    Folks - K The Fall 2003 sigtapes have been mailed now to toplevel sites. Dar Schumann C has been sent a copy for the tree also, though I cannot be sure his F address still works. If you need a copy and cannot find it soon on the net, contact me.   Glenn Everhart   everhart@gce.com  K Please include subject line: SIG tapes in the wording; I get a lot of spam.    Thanks to all.     VMS/L&T Fall 2003 SIG Tapes  --- --- ---- ---- --- -----    VMSLT03B Directory Tree  -------- --------- ----   @ [.GCE]          	SAFETY security addin for VMS sources including3 			inheritance, directory links, and other code not  			published before. Source.G [.GHOSTSCRIPT]  	Postscript interpreter; can replace display postscript / 			and allow view or print of .ps or .pdf files = [.GNU]          	Various Gnu utilities including latest GCC C . 			compiler and other compiler suite, Gnumeric 			spreadsheet etc. A [.JED]          	EDT like and Emacs like editor that runs on many  			platforms7 [.MOREAU]       	Sources to MP3 encoder and MPEG player @ [.NET]          	Stuff from net including Basic interpreter, x862 			hardware simulator, CD write code, p2p networks5 			designed for privacy, SSH, code to talk to Windows 0 			shares, Windows emulator, X locker, some more> [.NT]           	Program to let Windows read Linux filesystems7 [.OPENOFFICE]   	Source to openoffice 1.1 distribution	 G [.SAMBA]        	Programs to allow sharing of disk shares with windows, 9 			and printer shares. VMS can be client or server though  			VMS client is ftp like.B [.TK]           	BAT.ZIP;1          Submits multiple cmds to batch 			queue from DCL 3 			CLEAR_ERRORS.ZIP;2 Clears all errors on a device , 			FLIST.ZIP;2        File and directory mgr, 			HGLOGIN.ZIP;1      Log in as another user/ 			HGSD.ZIP;1         set default with history, 
 			extensions 6 			HINDEX.ZIP;1       search help library for keywords* 			LNMTOOL.ZIP;1      logical name browser4 			MORE.ZIP;1         look at files a page at a time9 			SAMBA-0227A.ZIP;2  VMS kit for util to share disk with 
 			windows5 [.VU]           	Many utilities and programs for VMS.   			Antiword reads MS Word format7 			Ghostscript is a postscript interpreter, can replace  			display postscript 1 			mozplugger is a Mozilla plugin letting you use  			standalone progs to work  			        as Mozilla plugins * 			GNV is a set of unix like tools for VMS7 			CURL is a file retriever, can get files over http or  			ftp and restart failed / 			        transfers from the point of failure. 7 			Rdesktop lets you have remote access to windows from  			vms 			Python is a language  			MYsql is a relational DBMS + 			XPDF will read PDF files (adobe acrobat) 4 			simh is a set of machine emulators. pdp11 and vax 			emulators that will run8 			on other machines (such as alpha or pc) are included. 			The pdp11 emulator 6 			can boot rsx, rsts, rt11. The vax emulator can boot 			vms. 9 			John the ripper is a password guesser, can brute force  			passwords5 			OCR is optical char recognizer. Get text back from 
 			images.! 			in Emulation is a z80 emulator 4 			CDrecord is utilities to make ISO CDs or burn CDs 			(maybe DVDs too) on 			VMS. / [.WWW]          	WASD HTTP (web) server for VMS    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2004 18:40:11 -0700B From: www_militarycomponents_com@yahoo.com (Electronic Components)) Subject: Electronic Component Spare Parts = Message-ID: <73bdb920.0406121740.6d143dab@posting.google.com>   # Indepedent Stocking Distributor of  # Military & Industrial & Commerical    Electronic Component Spare Parts# 64,000 line items in our inventory  * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Capacitors  
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So my intent is H > >to backup/image from disk to scratch disk, and the backup/image from  > >scratch back to original. > > K > >I vaguely remember reading that when doing an image backup from disk to  B > >disk the verify qualifier isn't really necessary. Is that true? > E > (1) The likely hood that the disk dirve will write bad data without 4 > detecting and reportign this is vanishingly low.    A That is true.  I can only remember it happening once in 29 years. B That was on June 2nd when one member of a shadowed pair of RZ29B'sE attached to an HSZ40 (firmware V37J-6), VAX VMS V7.1, started logging B sporadic CORRECTABLE errors and at the same time started returning@ completely incorrect data for other, relatively nearby but quite distinct blocks.  A At the time, a batch job was converting a sorted, sequential file > (on the bad disk) to an indexed file on another disk.  CONVERTF logged many thousands of "CONVERT-I-SEQ" messages, which unfortunately> are informational, not errors, and lost about 2/3 of the file.  = By the time anyone had noticed, the sequential file was gone, C and all that was left were multiple copies of the truncated indexed  file.  UGH!!  > Sometime in the middle of all this, one of the pair of HSJ40's< rebooted itself after getting a memory error.  Don't know if it was related.   = I removed the disk from the shadow set and ran a program that > wrote and read back various data patterns on it.  It would see@ anywhere from 3 to 10 blocks with data mismatches (what was readA wasn't what was written) on each pass.  It would also log several @ correctable data errors on each pass, but not at the same blocks? which had the mismatches.  (And the blocks with mismatches were A different on each pass.)  Ran the same program program on a bunch C of other disks, including the other former member of the shadowset, @ with no errors logged and no mismatches.  Also, the HSJ40 hasn't? complained about any other problems since its initial reboot at > about the time the problem 1st arose.  So even if bad cache in@ the HSJ caused the initial problem, over-writing the disk hasn't cured it.     ? The disk was buried at midnight with a stake through its heart, < wrapped with a string of garlic bulbs, after we put a silver< bullet into its electronics.  It was a full moon that night.   > F > (2) I think that a better check is to actually BOOT the backup copy., > This demonstrates that the backup is good.  B If you are backing up disk A to disk B, and keeping A as a backup,F then you can always go back to A if necessary, so I agree.  If you areD backing up disk A to disk B (or to tape) and back to disk A, I wouldA always verify, at least the initial A to B (or A to Tape) backup, C because then you will know you have a good copy before you trash A.    >  > --  L >       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAH >           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)L >       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's. >  >  >    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:45:04 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 5 Subject: Re: Opportunity for OVMS in mainstream press , Message-ID: <ouSdnWu0D-q83FbdRVn-hg@igs.net>  + <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote in message # news:caf1mi$fgc$2@news.mdx.ac.uk... J > In article <cacq6e$2ion$1@news.cybercity.dk>, "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com> writes:  > >Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote: > >> JF Mezei wrote: > >>> " > >>> (email privately seperately) > >>>  > >>> Kenneth Farmer wrote: = > >>>> 2. What applications does OpenVMS tend to be used for? D > >>> accounting, web serving, SMTP server,  some office automation,; > >>> development, network monitoring, FTP and many others.  > >>A > >> (Are smtp and ftp realy "applications" ? I'd call then "base  > >> services"...) > >> > >> Anyway, don't forget :  > >>B > >> - The whole industial sector, such as all kinds of production > >> monitoring systems. > >>J > >> - Stock exchanges (with the Swedish company "OM Technology" as one of > >> the largest > >>   software players.)  > >>F > >> - The gaming/lottery area. The Swedish state owned "Svenska Spel" > >> ("Swedish Games")G > >>   runs most (all?) of theirs back-end systems suporting the online  > >> terminals on VMS. > >> > > A > >None of what follows is terribly secret, so I will name names.  > > H > >ESSNet is also swedish and has 7-8% of the world Lotto market - againC > >OpenVMS/OracleRdb backend.  I thought it had Sweden as well, but 
 apparently! > >now - shows how little I know.  > > L > >SciGames in Austria is also a player in that market - AFAIK they are also > >OpenVMS/OracleRdb.  > >  > >> - Telecom billing systems.  > >>K > >> - What about NASA ? I thought the system that continiously logs health 	 > >> data K > >> from the astronauts on the space shuttle was running on VMS and Rdb !?  > >> > > K > >At least previously, JPL stored rocket engine statistical and other data  on > >OpenVMS/OracleRdb.  > > L > >Which brings us to the obvious point that if you want to understand whereK > >all the big important sites are, then you could do worse than to ask the  Rdb 4 > >Mailing list - check out www.jcc.com for details. > >  > >  > >Other big sites.  > > A > >DirecTV orders/billing - OpenVMS/OracleRdb - Massive TP volume D > >NY State toll roads/RF billing - OpenVMS/OracleRdb - Massive data volumes.# > >Is E*Trade is still on OpenVMS ? - > >NYMEX trades directly on OpenVMS/OracleRdb H > >Deutsche Bank Money Market Trading (was Bankers Trust) - OpenVMS (not sure > >about data storage) > >  > > @ > >Wheres Kerry when we need him, he has probably got a hundred' > >names/industries to add to the list.  > > L > Well for a few more you can go to HP's OPENVMS Success stories web page :- > 0 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/success-stories.html  1 Most of these are long established OpenVMS users.   F Some new ones would be nice to know about, particularly WHY they choseH OpenVMS in the face of the 'flavor-of-the-week' Linux or other operatingJ system. I will grant that the reasons are likely to be the same as we haveJ been citing here, but it would be nice to hear that *new* customers openly! recognize these salient features.   L This is the sort of thing that a magazine writer would expect to hear from aK long-standing customer but wouldn't expect to hear from a new customer, and * hence this becomes the newsworthy lead ...  L "$50B company bets business on OpenVMS; Linux/Unix Immature says CTO of Mega Corp."   by Ace Cub Reporter   K Despite rumors surrounding the death and lack of support at HP for OpenVMS, D customers, existing and new, have been flocking to OpenVMS in droves; recently. Most cite ...the usual favorable attributes......   H Fed Up, CTO of Mega Corp. said, "We're tired of dealing with the endlessL patch-reboot-patch cycle of Microsoft, linux, and unix. We have far too manyG people on-staff dealing with viruses, worms, 3rd-party work-arounds for H these things, and the lack of reliable scalability these platforms have.5 That's why we have chosen OpenVMS for our core server H infrastructure.......Our business lives or dies with server availabilityH 24x7, and nothing comes close to OpenVMS in our opinion. We've only beenL using OpenVMS for 6 months now, but the conversion from Windows and unix was; painless. We couldn't be happier in our choice of OpenVMS."   K Back at HP, rumors abound that The Coiffed Cute One has even learned how to B spell and pronounce 'OpenVMS', but we could not obtain independentK confirmation of this, having never seen or heard carly(tm) speak of OpenVMS 
 in public.    5 url for this article: www.ifonly.com/articleid=188371   	    - 30 -    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 20:37:19 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>5 Subject: Re: Opportunity for OVMS in mainstream press + Message-ID: <40CBAFCE.2AC67469@comcast.net>    Paul Sture wrote:  >  > Kenneth Farmer wrote: P > > OK folks...here's an opportunity OVMS in the press.  I've been approached byO > > a mainstream publisher/writer.  I could answer these questions but I'd like O > > to make this a community effort, strength in numbers and knowledge.  I need O > > OpenVMS customers to answer these questions.  From there I will compile the * > > answers with the help of a few others. > >  > > A few bullet points... > > G > > - Please send your responses to me via email,  kfarmer/openvms.org. L > > - Be careful about what you say as far as sensitive info, company names,B > > etc.  But company names and their usage would be very helpful.L > > - I want to try and have something back to this guy by Monday/Tuesday of > > next week. > >  > > A > > 1. What stats do you have on OpenVMS usage in the enterprise?  > > : > > 2. What applications does OpenVMS tend to be used for? > > H > > 3. Why has it hung on so well despite so many reports of its demise? > > : > > 4. Why is OpenVMS so well suited to disaster recovery? > > 3 > > 5. Anything else you wish to add about OpenVMS?  > >  > H > TCO. Coincidentally, yesterday I came across a Sep-2002 post here that( > I'd stashed away for future reference. > ( > "Re: costs of Win2K dataCentre vs VMS" >  > http://tinyurl.com/233mt > G > OK, that's only compares the DataCenter solution, but it mentions the F > backup and job control included with VMS, which are add-ons for W2K.4 > They are also add-ons for non-Windows systems too.  D Well, yes and no. If you can live with the filesystem dump utilitiesE that ship with various flavors of UN*X, not to mention cron and "at", B those are the function equivalents of BACKUP and VMS batch queues,E respectively. If they don't "float your boat", then you're off to the  third-party market.    D.J.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 06:56:39 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>5 Subject: Re: Opportunity for OVMS in mainstream press * Message-ID: <2j2549FsacjsU1@uni-berlin.de>   David J Dachtera wrote:  > Paul Sture wrote:  >  >>Kenneth Farmer wrote:  >>O >>>OK folks...here's an opportunity OVMS in the press.  I've been approached by N >>>a mainstream publisher/writer.  I could answer these questions but I'd likeN >>>to make this a community effort, strength in numbers and knowledge.  I needN >>>OpenVMS customers to answer these questions.  From there I will compile the) >>>answers with the help of a few others.  >>>  >>>A few bullet points...  >>> F >>>- Please send your responses to me via email,  kfarmer/openvms.org.K >>>- Be careful about what you say as far as sensitive info, company names, A >>>etc.  But company names and their usage would be very helpful. K >>>- I want to try and have something back to this guy by Monday/Tuesday of 
 >>>next week.  >>>  >>> @ >>>1. What stats do you have on OpenVMS usage in the enterprise? >>> 9 >>>2. What applications does OpenVMS tend to be used for?  >>> G >>>3. Why has it hung on so well despite so many reports of its demise?  >>> 9 >>>4. Why is OpenVMS so well suited to disaster recovery?  >>> 2 >>>5. Anything else you wish to add about OpenVMS? >>>  >>H >>TCO. Coincidentally, yesterday I came across a Sep-2002 post here that( >>I'd stashed away for future reference. >>( >>"Re: costs of Win2K dataCentre vs VMS" >> >>http://tinyurl.com/233mt >>G >>OK, that's only compares the DataCenter solution, but it mentions the F >>backup and job control included with VMS, which are add-ons for W2K.4 >>They are also add-ons for non-Windows systems too. >  > F > Well, yes and no. If you can live with the filesystem dump utilitiesG > that ship with various flavors of UN*X, not to mention cron and "at", D > those are the function equivalents of BACKUP and VMS batch queues,G > respectively. If they don't "float your boat", then you're off to the  > third-party market.  >   > Well I deliberately said "non-Windows" rather than UN*X... :-)  G In fact NT 4.0 had a backup solution and a version of "at which worked  H pretty well for me at the time, but there were quite a few high profile I products taking those areas enough further that many were willing to pay  
   handsomely.   D Ouch - even on VKS, bad memories here of some CA job scheduler, and 3 another multi-platform one which I won't mention...    We rolled our own instead.   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Jun 2004 05:27:51 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>' Subject: Re: SWS-2.0 (Apache) & CGI ??? ? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-5feQdepJZEI3@dave2_os2.home.ours>   F On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:08:09 UTC, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  wrote:  G > Is anyone out there using CSWS-2.0 (a.k.a. Apache for VMS), and if so  > does the CGI work properly?  > I > My browser is receiving intermittent data from BASIC programs which are F > started by CGI in the scripts directory. This usually results in the) > following error message in my log file:  >  > ********** (one line wrapped) I > [Fri Jun 11 08:46:38 2004] [error] [client 142.180.39.24] (00000870)end D > of file: Error string not specified yet: ap_content_length_filter:I > apr_bucket _read() failed, referer: http://kawc09.on.bell.ca/scripts/vd  > sl_event_log_viewer  > ********** > G > While researching this problem the only thing that I've found to cast . > light on this subject is the following link:D >     http://hypermail.linklord.com/new-httpd.old/2002/Aug/0374.html   NeilF           you're not being bitten by CSWS 2.0's distaste for 'normal' = VMS text files are you?. CSWS only does Unix-Style Stream-LF.    --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.326 ************************