1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 16 Jun 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 332       Contents:, Re: Accessing NFS from OS X. Was: NFS how to, Re: Accessing NFS from OS X. Was: NFS how to, Re: Accessing NFS from OS X. Was: NFS how to, Re: Accessing NFS from OS X. Was: NFS how to# ANN: New version of FLIST available  Distribution list anomaly  Re: FTP Problem 5 Re: HP Gets Top Marks in Customer Satisfaction Survey 5 Re: HP Gets Top Marks in Customer Satisfaction Survey @ Re: HP likely to add 5,000 jobs; Won't spin off printer divisionI Re: HP No. 1 in worldwide server shipments for eighth consecutive quarter 1 Re: Humor: ANN: Keith Parris promoted to VP of PR 1 Re: Job openings at Dell in Texas - not VMS - ??? 1 Re: Job openings at Dell in Texas - not VMS - ??? 1 Re: Job openings at Dell in Texas - not VMS - ??? ' Re: Library Replacement command failure 1 RE: New IA64 binaries run on Old IA64 computers ?  Re: Not adding up? phpbb2 on VMS? Re: phpbb2 on VMS?0 RE: Quadrics adds lower-end supercomputer switch0 Re: Quadrics adds lower-end supercomputer switch Re: SWS-2.0 (Apache) & CGI ???= Re: Understanding Peak virtual size VS UAF pgflquota+WSEXTENT  URL for patch info& Re: VMS Gets Short Shrift at HP World.& Re: VMS Gets Short Shrift at HP World.& Re: VMS Gets Short Shrift at HP World.& Re: VMS Gets Short Shrift at HP World.& Re: VMS Gets Short Shrift at HP World.& Re: VMS Gets Short Shrift at HP World.& Re: VMS Gets Short Shrift at HP World.& Re: VMS Gets Short Shrift at HP World.& Re: VMS Gets Short Shrift at HP World.N [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1] VMS731_UPDATE-V0300 is corrupt, will not extract itselfN [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1] VMS731_UPDATE-V0300 is corrupt, will not extract itselfP Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1] VMS731_UPDATE-V0300 is corrupt, will not extract itseP Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1] VMS731_UPDATE-V0300 is corrupt, will not extract itse. RE: [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2] VMS732_UPDATE-V0200  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:49:32 +0000 (UTC) ' From: News Reader <noemail@noemail.vms> 5 Subject: Re: Accessing NFS from OS X. Was: NFS how to $ Message-ID: <canncr$u8s$1@online.de>  I On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 08:44:22, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote:  >News Reader wrote: E >> I'd never NFS export something quite so high up on any NFS server;  >> too much of a security risk.  > @ >I agree, but I only have the one disk and the OP's question was > I >"How do I setup, for example, my system disk so I can NFS mount it on my  >powerbook?"  B I didn't read that previous thread.  Can't comment on setting up a  system disk for network sharing.  H >> Also, I don't know what file formats single/double etc OS X uses, butF >> you may well find that Finder creates its own files to cache folderF >> information, window state etc in each directory you open in Finder. > F >and that would explain why Finder wants a higher level of permissions >than the CLI. > G >> You might not want your entire directory tree peppered with Finder's G >> private files as the price for filesystem exploration MAC GUI style.  >  >True.  C I suspect that the real underlying problem is that there's no half- A decent, modern, filesystem explorer for VMS.  FileView and Dtfile C just don't measure up.  Don't forget the Visual Schnauzer contained G within the VMS port of xv.  If the need is for a non-intrusive explorer @ with multiple windows with drag and drop, you might be better ofG installing one of the other desktops or opensource/gpl office programs, , you'd have to see what's available for OS X.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 22:04:31 +0000 (UTC) & From: News Reader <nomail@noemail.vms>5 Subject: Re: Accessing NFS from OS X. Was: NFS how to $ Message-ID: <canrpf$fi0$1@online.de>  7 On 15 Jun 2004 01:37:30 GMT, healyzh@aracnet.com wrote: ' >News Reader <nomail@nomail.vms> wrote:  > B >> Agreed, but will TCPIP V5.4 allow you to export subdirectories?E >> From what little I've played with it, I get the impression you now A >> have to either export the entire disk, or use container files.   G Will someone pls clarify.  For shares, I use both container filesystems E (for home directories) and ODS filesystems (for project directories).   F I'm lucky.  The projects are on separate virtual `minidisks'...  So ifE 5V4 has that limitation its useful to know but luckily won't bite me.   I I mentioned the different Apple single/double file formats; you mentioned I the different VMS NFS filesystems.  I ought to have said that sharing the H system disk by NFS implies ODS.  There isn't a 1:1 agreement between theD ODS view and shared NFS view (for a closer agreement you have to useH containers).  So, even were you to explore an NFS shared VMS system diskH through Finder, you'd be doing so through the lens of a non 1:1 mapping.  H VMS files are already weird enough (Multinet's ftp sending fdls to over-C come it).  Add to that the Mac file weirdness and really, using Mac C Finder on an NFS share that's native ODS is getting a little silly.   F Like I say, I do do it routinely on the project directories.  But thenF I do it on files in shared project directories that are conservatively named.  I >> I know this is a problem when using Appletalk to access OpenVMS disks. D >> I've "solved/ignored" this problem by putting the following in my >> LOGIN.COM	 >> [snip] H >> If Mac OS X does something like this to NFS disks (I don't think that9 >> it does), it might be possible to use a simular trick.   ; I've seen several implementations of double, not two alike.    >>@ >> All in all, it would really help if Apple wasn't so anti-NFS.  H Agreed.  When I was minder to an A/UX box to file and printserve PCs andJ Macs, I used CAP, but IIRC, just for the printserving.  The PCs ran PCNFS.E For reliable NFS fileserving I used a GatorBox.  Apple didn't have an G open, hetrogenous-environment-supporting, solution.  Sounds familiar..?    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jun 2004 03:18:25 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com 5 Subject: Re: Accessing NFS from OS X. Was: NFS how to , Message-ID: <caoe61110at@enews1.newsguy.com>  + Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote:  > healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:N > > Agreed, but will TCPIP V5.4 allow you to export subdirectories?  From whatK > > little I've played with it, I get the impression you now have to either 3 > > export the entire disk, or use container files.   D > Please let us know if this is true. Would LDDRIVER be useful here?  K IIRC, container files are an aspect of the NFS server, they're mentioned in  the TCPIP doc's somewhere.    P > > I know this is a problem when using Appletalk to access OpenVMS disks.  I'veJ > > "solved/ignored" this problem by putting the following in my LOGIN.COM  B > When you say Appletalk is this with Pathworks / Advanced server?  L The old Pathworks/Mac layered product still works on 7.3-2 thankfully, I useJ it both for printing and occasionally to access data on my VMS system from my Mac.   L Since the Mac can mount Windows shares, I'm guessing that if you create themK using Pathworks, Advanced Server, or Samba you might be able to access them @ from the Mac (assuming there aren't file/directory name issues).   		Zane     		Zane   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jun 2004 04:14:44 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com 5 Subject: Re: Accessing NFS from OS X. Was: NFS how to , Message-ID: <caohfk015dn@enews1.newsguy.com>  ' News Reader <nomail@noemail.vms> wrote: 9 > On 15 Jun 2004 01:37:30 GMT, healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:   D > >> Agreed, but will TCPIP V5.4 allow you to export subdirectories?G > >> From what little I've played with it, I get the impression you now C > >> have to either export the entire disk, or use container files.   I > Will someone pls clarify.  For shares, I use both container filesystems G > (for home directories) and ODS filesystems (for project directories).   I I'd personally like someone familiar with NFS on TCPIP V5.4 to comment on K this.  I don't claim to be, but when I was experimenting a week or two ago, H I couldn't get it to let me map a directory such as DSA14:[SCRATCH] evenK though I was using notes I had when I'd set it up under a previous version.   K > I mentioned the different Apple single/double file formats; you mentioned K > the different VMS NFS filesystems.  I ought to have said that sharing the J > system disk by NFS implies ODS.  There isn't a 1:1 agreement between theF > ODS view and shared NFS view (for a closer agreement you have to useJ > containers).  So, even were you to explore an NFS shared VMS system diskJ > through Finder, you'd be doing so through the lens of a non 1:1 mapping.  K I don't follow what you mean by "Apple single/double file formats", are you L talking about the Resource and Data Forks?  If so I believe that should onlyJ be a problem with Mac OS Classic files, and that Mac OS X should take careI of this for you on its side when it realizes that it's writting to an NFS I mount.  The question then becomes does it handle this in a manner than an I ODS disk exported via NFS can handle (as an example the old DAVE program  K for accessing Windows shares at least used to handle this in such a manner  3 that it wouldn't work to access a VMS Samba share).   J > VMS files are already weird enough (Multinet's ftp sending fdls to over-E > come it).  Add to that the Mac file weirdness and really, using Mac E > Finder on an NFS share that's native ODS is getting a little silly.   H > Like I say, I do do it routinely on the project directories.  But thenH > I do it on files in shared project directories that are conservatively > named.  < I'll agree that you need to have conservatively named files.  B > >> All in all, it would really help if Apple wasn't so anti-NFS.  J > Agreed.  When I was minder to an A/UX box to file and printserve PCs andL > Macs, I used CAP, but IIRC, just for the printserving.  The PCs ran PCNFS.G > For reliable NFS fileserving I used a GatorBox.  Apple didn't have an I > open, hetrogenous-environment-supporting, solution.  Sounds familiar..?   J Sound familiar?  Yeah, unfortunatly.  MS has CIFS (or whatever it's calledH these days), and Apple has Appletalk.  Apple has sort of been supportingF both and NFS since 10.2 (or was it 10.1), and MS I believe has finallyG started supporting NFS for free via add-on software (which used to cost C $150).  Then there is the whole DECnet/LAT thing in the VMS world.  G Basically everyone has their own way of exporting filesystems, and that J method works best for the OS it is intended for.  The irritating thing is,J with Unix underneath these days NFS should work better on Mac OS X than it? does (ISTR that it worked quite well on NeXTstep and OPENSTEP).    		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:58:57 -0500 - From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> , Subject: ANN: New version of FLIST available* Message-ID: <40CF5501.2040307@goatley.com>  > Thanks to John Powers, a new version of FLIST is now available< for download.  FLIST is a C and TPU-based file and directory> manager (think C-SWING or Windows Explorer for VMS).  John has8 added support for viewing and extracting the contents of; various archives, including .ZIP and .BCK files.  This is a ; feature I've long-planned but never got around to---thanks,  John!   6 You can download FLIST from any of the following URLs:   http://www.process.com/openvms/   : http://vms.process.com/ftp/vms-freeware/fileserv/flist.zip5 ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/flist.zip 1 ftp://ftp.tmk.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/flist.zip   . And on the other mirrors in the next 24 hours.   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ ; <goathunter@GOATLEY.COM>     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 02:39:57 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> " Subject: Distribution list anomaly: Message-ID: <1qOzc.986$281.671@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>  = Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.3 - ECO 2 5    on a AlphaServer 2100 4/275 running OpenVMS V7.3-1   6 After sending email to a distribution list located in G SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]a.dis [from ISP POP mail server send an email  G to a@<myhost>.com with approximately 10 names on the list] I still see  G the email in the mail que as pending - then requed. I have inquired as  I to who has or has not received that specific email and everyone received  G it within minutes of sending it...   So, why does it not go away.  And  ; is there a way to tell whom the email was delivered or not.    Michael Austin.    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jun 2004 01:29:58 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com  Subject: Re: FTP Problem+ Message-ID: <cao7qm1ul1@enews2.newsguy.com>   2 Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote:K > I have gotten that message on a VMS/Multinet system connecting to my VMS  H > box across a firewall and toggling PASSIVE mode fixed it.  Looks like H > your firewall may be preventing the proper handshaking. Try getting a ? > tcptrace of your session to see what is actually occurring...   K In my case it looks like I've found a bug in the FTP proxy that my Firewall J uses.  Looks like it doesn't play nicely with VMS clients.  I disabled theE proxy, and can now use FTP from the VMS system once I SET PASSIVE ON.    			Zane    ------------------------------   Date: 15 Jun 2004 18:11:17 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)> Subject: Re: HP Gets Top Marks in Customer Satisfaction Survey* Message-ID: <2j8se5Fv0fr7U1@uni-berlin.de>  = In article <cf15391e.0406150826.7ea8dbde@posting.google.com>, 4 	keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes: > E > HP earned the highest overall rating from its customers in a recent < > survey of nearly 1,200 information technology managers and: > professionals by Computerworld and InterUnity Group Inc. > > > Customers gave HP the top satisfaction marks in six of eightF > categories, including meeting customer expectations, contribution toB > customer profitability, product quality, product reliability and > licensing policies.    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^?     I guess they didn't include any .edu's in that survey.  :-)    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:02:27 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> > Subject: Re: HP Gets Top Marks in Customer Satisfaction Survey, Message-ID: <bdWdnZyOSd99_lLdRVn_iw@igs.net>  9 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message $ news:2j8se5Fv0fr7U1@uni-berlin.de...? > In article <cf15391e.0406150826.7ea8dbde@posting.google.com>, 5 > keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes:  > > G > > HP earned the highest overall rating from its customers in a recent > > > survey of nearly 1,200 information technology managers and< > > professionals by Computerworld and InterUnity Group Inc. > > @ > > Customers gave HP the top satisfaction marks in six of eightH > > categories, including meeting customer expectations, contribution toD > > customer profitability, product quality, product reliability and > > licensing policies.  >   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^A >     I guess they didn't include any .edu's in that survey.  :-)     A They were probably only asking about printers and ink cartridges.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:26:03 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>I Subject: Re: HP likely to add 5,000 jobs; Won't spin off printer division + Message-ID: <40CFA1AB.A4E2DCA1@comcast.net>    Keith Parris wrote:  > ! > The Oakland Tribune reports at: G > http://www.oaklandtribune.com/Stories/0,1413,82~10834~2204011,00.html  > ---  > HP plans to add 5,000 workers  >  > By Bloomberg News  > E > Hewlett-Packard Co., the world's second-largest computer maker, may % > add at least 5,000 workers globally   G The operative keyword there is "globally". That means don't expect this   to benefit Americans - it won't.  " > in the next year as demand risesA > for its printers, computers and services, Chief Executive Carly  > Fiorina said.    D.J.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:01:35 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> R Subject: Re: HP No. 1 in worldwide server shipments for eighth consecutive quarter, Message-ID: <F9CdnQDd09Ix_lLd4p2dnA@igs.net>  > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:cf15391e.0406150828.6db8495e@posting.google.com... H > HP announced that it continued its No. 1 position for worldwide serverB > shipments for the eighth consecutive quarter, according to first5 > quarter calendar year 2004 figures released by IDC.  > ; > http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2004/040528b.html      They forgot to add:   H HP is No. 1 in total worldwide OpenVMS server revenue with 100.0 percentG market share revenue, as well as No. 1 in high-end and midrange OpenVMS 6 revenue (until the next round of corporate takeovers).   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 02:06:49 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> : Subject: Re: Humor: ANN: Keith Parris promoted to VP of PR9 Message-ID: <ZWNzc.974$qI.334@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>    David J Dachtera wrote:    > Palo Alto, CA 
 > 15-Jun-2004  > J > Ms. Carleton Fiorina of Hewlett Packard announced today the promotion ofJ > Mr. Keith Parris to Vice President in charge of Public Relations for hp. > @ > "In recognition of his fine work promoting hp through internetH > newsgroups, we are pleased to offer Keith a new position in recogitionC > of his demonstrated talents and abilities", Ms Fiorina was quoted F > saying. Other hp executives were not available for comment; however,G > their administrative assistants echoed the adulation of the brass for E > Keith's unwavering dedication and persistence in the face of surly, % > complaining newsgroup participants.  > B > Further details are expected in a later update from hp corporate > headquarters.    so, Dave, are you bored too???   :)   Michael.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 02:23:23 GMT % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> : Subject: Re: Job openings at Dell in Texas - not VMS - ???A Message-ID: <vaOzc.24714$eH1.11332510@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>   6 "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message! news:40CECA16.2080801@MMaz.com...  > Gelman, David wrote: > K > >There is rumour on the grapevine that Dell are ditching AMD in favour of  > >Itanium.  > > F > >Could it therefore be that HP might licence OpenVMS on Dell Itanium Servers,I > >in which case positioning oneself in Dell at this time could be a good 
 > >move!!! > >  > >  > > G > Dell, as far as I know and we've been standarded on their servers and G > desktops for many moons, doesn't sell any AMD based Athlon or Opteron H > systems.  So what is their for Dell to ditch?  As for getting into bedH > with Itanic, they've done that once, I don't think they'll be quick to+ > do it again unless the volume is there...  >   2 Well then, they must think there's volume there...   See:   http://tinyurl.com/yqxvh  I Could it be that Dell is looking for VMS people to help support their new  Itanics?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:29:57 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> : Subject: Re: Job openings at Dell in Texas - not VMS - ???' Message-ID: <40CFBEB5.4020209@MMaz.com>    John Vottero wrote:   7 >"Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message " >news:40CECA16.2080801@MMaz.com... >    >  >>Gelman, David wrote: >>     >>K >>>There is rumour on the grapevine that Dell are ditching AMD in favour of  >>>Itanium.  >>> O >>>Could it therefore be that HP might licence OpenVMS on Dell Itanium Servers, 	 >>>        >>> I >>>in which case positioning oneself in Dell at this time could be a good 
 >>>move!!!	 >>>        >>> G >>Dell, as far as I know and we've been standarded on their servers and G >>desktops for many moons, doesn't sell any AMD based Athlon or Opteron H >>systems.  So what is their for Dell to ditch?  As for getting into bedH >>with Itanic, they've done that once, I don't think they'll be quick to+ >>do it again unless the volume is there...  >>     >> > 3 >Well then, they must think there's volume there...  >  >See:  >  >http://tinyurl.com/yqxvh  > J >Could it be that Dell is looking for VMS people to help support their new	 >Itanics?  >  >    > C This isn't Dell's first effort at Itanic.  Additionally, the press  G release states no where that the hardware would support VMS, and it is  H inconceivable to me that HP will make it easy for non-HP Itanic systems I to run VMS, so in the scope of the Dell press release mentioned, perhaps  C the focus of "looking for VMS people" is to help VMS shops migrate  F *from* VMS to Linux and Windows, because gap between the lines leaves 3 too little space for reading much else into this...      Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jun 2004 05:20:17 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>: Subject: Re: Job openings at Dell in Texas - not VMS - ???? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-6FLkdr2ZlVdr@dave2_os2.home.ours>   2 On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:37:47 UTC, Andrew Harrison * <andrew_remove_.harrison@__sun.com> wrote:   > Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote: ...  > >>J > > Dell, as far as I know and we've been standarded on their servers and J > > desktops for many moons, doesn't sell any AMD based Athlon or Opteron K > > systems.  So what is their for Dell to ditch?  As for getting into bed  K > > with Itanic, they've done that once, I don't think they'll be quick to  - > > do it again unless the volume is there...  > >  > > 	 > > Barry    D > In fact Dell cannot sell AMD based systems, they have an exclusiveA > contract with Intel which guarantees them preferential terms in , > return for single sourcing x86 processors. > B > Dell do produce Itanium based systems but only out of necessity. > B > They need a 64bit system in the 1-4 way space and are stuck with/ > doing Itanium because they cannot do Opteron.   " Good news for HP all round then...   --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 21:20:00 +0000 (UTC) + From: "Rob H" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> 0 Subject: Re: Library Replacement command failure/ Message-ID: <canp60$6lc$1@titan.btinternet.com>   7 "Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in message $ news:2j0gf9Frsfb3U1@uni-berlin.de... > Rob H wrote:K > > I am trying to run the following on VMS 7.2-1 but it's failing. Command  isI > > part of a com file and has worked previously. Anyone tell me what the  error A > > actually means and how to solve? What is an !AS and and RFA!?  > > 1 > > NODE> $ library/replace/log helplib.hlb a.hlp 3 > > %LIBRAR-E-INSERTERR, error inserting !AS in !AS  > >  > > -LBR-E-INVRFA, invalid RFA > >  > > B > !AS and !AS are formatting string, and LIBRARY should be putting > informational text in them.  > I > Invalid RFA means that the LIBRARY command is trying to access a record H > by RFA - Record File Address. Every record in an RMS file has a uniqueK > RFA, which can be used for rapid access instead of going through indexes.  > < > So it looks as though you help library is somehow corrupt. > E > Try using the LIBRARY /COMPRESS facility to create a new compressed I > library. See the help for more details, and make sure you have a backup = > to cater for the eventuality that something gets messed up.  > G > /COMPRESS creates a new library file, so make sure that you have your F > default set to SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP] to avoid the output file going to > SYS$SPECIFIC.  >    Thanks for your help :o)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:49:44 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> : Subject: RE: New IA64 binaries run on Old IA64 computers ?R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB3568B3@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----E > From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk [mailto:david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk]=20  > Sent: June 15, 2004 1:31 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com < > Subject: Re: New IA64 binaries run on Old IA64 computers ? >=20  	 [snip ..]   ? > However at least one application vendor decided that newer=20  > versions of their @ > software would be compiled with these options and that they=20 > would only ship @ > binaries compiled with those options. Despite protests they=20 > would NOT certify > > or support that application running on EV5 or earlier chips.B > The vendor Oracle. The software the Oracle "classic" database=20 > from something= > like Oracle 9.2 onwards (the very first oracle 9 version=20  > would run on EV5 chips=20  > later versions wouldn't).  >=20 >=20 > David Webb > VMS and unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University >=203 > Stuck running Oracle 8i on VMS 7.3-1 EV5 systems.  >=20 >  =20 David,  E Does Oracle V9.x actually not run on EV5 i.e. you get an error, or is ) what is stopping you the recommendations.    Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jun 2004 11:44:16 -0700' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson)  Subject: Re: Not adding up? = Message-ID: <734da31c.0406151044.260abf56@posting.google.com>   q Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove_.harrison@__sun.com> wrote in message news:<ca92pv$72j$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > David Svensson wrote:  > > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<ca7gk4$vk$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... > >  > >>David Svensson wrote:  > >>u > >>>Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove_harrison@__sun.com> wrote in message news:<ca4l3r$ius$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > >>>  > >>>  > >>>>David Svensson wrote:  > >>>> > >>>>x > >>>>>Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message news:<ca3utj$dqf$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... > >>>>>  > >>>>>  > >>>>>  > >>>>>>Karsten Nyblad wrote:  > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>O > >>>>>>>"Andrew Harrison" <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message 3 > >>>>>>>news:ca2g1r$59u$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... 	 > >>>>>>> 	 > >>>>>>> 	 > >>>>>>> 	 > >>>>>>> A > >>>>>>>>I say at least because the HP DL585 isn't exactly price > > >>>>>>>>competitive as far as Opteron boxes go 20K is a more> > >>>>>>>>reasonable price and leaves the rx4640 13.5K adrift.	 > >>>>>>> 	 > >>>>>>> R > >>>>>>>The DL585 is a rather expensive design, with each processor placed on itsK > >>>>>>>own rather board.  That allows for having 8 dimm slots for RAM per U > >>>>>>>processor, where all other designs, that I have seen, allows for 2 or 4 dimm T > >>>>>>>slots per processor.  No wonder DL 585 is rather expensive.  If you want toT > >>>>>>>compare DL585 with other opteron servers, then you have to compare machinesU > >>>>>>>fully equipped with main storage (RAM), because on DL585 you can get 16GB in Q > >>>>>>>1/2GB RAM blocks where you need to use 1 or 2GB blocks on other designs. 	 > >>>>>>> 	 > >>>>>>>  > >>>>>> > >>>>>>H > >>>>>>That only makes the comparison worse because HP charge a premium > >>>>>>for memory.  > >>>>>>D > >>>>>>The going rate for an 4 way 32 GB Opteron server is ~28K the& > >>>>>>same config in a DL585 is 52K. > >>>>>  > >>>>> M > >>>>>Tier-1 vendors are usually more expensive than whitebox vendors. HP is L > >>>>>thus far the only major 4-way vendor and is apparently in position toD > >>>>>set the price for good profit. HPs price may change when moreH > >>>>>competition join in. One major complaint I have heard from peopleM > >>>>>wanting to buy Opteron motherboards and make their own boxes or buying  >   H > >>>>>from non-Tier-1 is that the motherboards don't have enough memory >    > >>>>>capacity. > >>>>>  > >>>>& > >>>>Who said white box pricing ????? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>K > >>>>>BTW. Suns 2-way Opteron box look very expensive compared to HPs (and   > >>>>>IBM) 2-Way Opteron boxes. > >>>>B > >>>>Rubbish, the IBM and Sun boxes are about the same price, theB > >>>>HP is cheaper and its cheaper for a very good reason .... itC > >>>>damn well should be. It only has 1 PCI slot and it uses fixed C > >>>>ATA drives rather than removable Ultra320 drives like the Sun  > >>>>and the IBM. > >>>  > >>> 3 > >>>You validated my point, which was not rubbish. D > >>>And with a closer look IBM's boxes look much cheaper than Suns. > >>> > >>How can pointing out that the unit with slower drives less= > >>RAS and less I/O expansion should cost less validate your 
 > >>point. > >  > > R > > I said that they look cheaper, you explained the reasons why they are cheaper.A > > Thus, they look cheaper is still valid and not rubbish to me.  > >  > > 
 > Bad news > E > Oscar Wilde said a cynic is a man who knows the price of everything  > and the value of nothing.  > = > I don't know where this puts you since you appear to unable . > to grasp the price of anything or its value.   That may be true, who knows. ;)     E > >>6695 buys you a 2 way 248 based Sun V20z with two internal drives E > >>6462 busy you a 2 way 246 based IBM unit with two internal drives  > >  > > $ > > The IBM vs Sun was just teasing.= > > Seeing if you were awake and taking everything seriously.  > 6 > Really or did the harsh light of day impinge on your > argument ? >  > I think the latter don't you.   O No, I don't, but it doesn't matter..., lets skip this discussion now. <sigh> :)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 13:15:55 -0500 % From: Bill Norton <norton@nospam.com>  Subject: phpbb2 on VMS? : Message-ID: <40cf3cdf$0$90377$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net>  D Has anyone gotten phpbb2 working on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 and some orE all of the following: MySQL 4.0-18, CSWS 2.0, CSWS Java V2, CSWS_PHP  1 1.2, PERL 5.6.1 Upd2, SSL 1.1A,  TCPIP V5.4 ECO1?   F My experience has been that I can get it to install and even configureF for board and forum names, but it always dies with a database error atE seemingly random points during user registration or forum navigation.    ------------------------------   Date: 15 Jun 2004 21:00:42 GMT1 From: JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones)  Subject: Re: phpbb2 on VMS? : Message-ID: <cano1q$oi8$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  : In mmesage <40cf3cdf$0$90377$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net>,' Bill Norton <norton@nospam.com> writes: E >Has anyone gotten phpbb2 working on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 and some or E >all of the following: MySQL 4.0-18, CSWS 2.0, CSWS Java V2, CSWS_PHP 2 >1.2, PERL 5.6.1 Upd2, SSL 1.1A,  TCPIP V5.4 ECO1? > G >My experience has been that I can get it to install and even configure G >for board and forum names, but it always dies with a database error at F >seemingly random points during user registration or forum navigation.    L I don't have the same configuration, but I'm similar problems getting phpbb2E to run.  As near as I can tell, the problem is the MySQL code assumes M semantics for shared writing of files that just aren't being delivered by the  C RTL.      < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929- Ohio State University        |      Internet: L 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  1 Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:48:36 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> 9 Subject: RE: Quadrics adds lower-end supercomputer switch R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB35684D@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----< > From: Dave Weatherall [mailto:djw-nothere@nospam.nohow]=20 > Sent: June 15, 2004 2:12 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ; > Subject: Re: Quadrics adds lower-end supercomputer switch  >=20    	 [snip ..]    >=20G > Serious question. Can we do 100mb on VAX now? ISTR being told of a=20OG > problem with intererupt rates in the Ethernet driver that meant we=20s. > were stuck at 10mb. Is there a FDDI-adapter? >=20I > I ask 'cos I was told the other day our VAXen are going away because=20eI > our VMS men want rid of the (MTI) CI stuff and they had no other way=20a > of 'serving the disks'.m >=20C > Sound daft? Well that's what I thought but it isn't my area of=20eJ > expertise. For me, it's not an option. I need a VAX for my ELN builds=20 > at the very least. >=20 > --=20e > Cheers - Dave. >=20   Dave,w  
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 Kerry Main Senior Consultanto HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660l Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcoml. (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jun 2004 05:20:19 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>9 Subject: Re: Quadrics adds lower-end supercomputer switcho? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-XWdhSVBRmRpR@dave2_os2.home.ours>    Kerry,  Alex  E                         thanks for the pointer. I've forwarded it to e7 work and will have a chat with Thomas when I get there.t  D I'm lousy at remembering model details but the VAX we use is one of 9 the 4000 series 'Alpha-Ready' ones. Of itself very quick.    --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:51:21 -0400S) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>f' Subject: Re: SWS-2.0 (Apache) & CGI ???S9 Message-ID: <XXLzc.18604$nY.649610@news20.bellglobal.com>V  4 "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote in message1 news:h3Yyc.533$7H1.31361@news20.bellglobal.com..._ >A [...snip...] >p   <<< Problem Update >>>  E I've tried everything possible but have not been able to solve my CGIcG problem with CSWS-2.0 (a.k.a. Apache-2.0.47 for OpenVMS). These are the- simplest facts as I know them:  H 1. I created a Compaq-BASIC application whose only purpose in life it toJ send back the following response (after being run from a DCL script stored in /cgi-bin/):
 ---------- Status: 200$ Content-Type: text/html5   <HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY><pre>J 0001 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789J 0002 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789 ... J 0999 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789J 1000 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789 </pre></BODY></HTML>
 ----------C which is approximately 100K bytes in size (100 char x 1000 lines ).w. BTW, this works 100% of the time with CSWS-1.3  H 2. after I do a cold restart of the server, I execute the CGI repeatedlyK until I see less than 1000 lines in my browser. This can vary between 4 andh8 8 attempts. (BTW, I am the only person using the server)  H 3. when I see the missing data, I do a graceful restart of the server to flush the log bufferst  H 3. inspecting the log file reveals that I've got as many errors as I hadJ attempts (rather than just seeing one as I originally expected). The error, text will always contain the following text:4 ap_content_length_filter(): apr_bucket_read() failed  L 4. I've tried every incantation of "RemoveOutputFilter" in file "HTTPD.CONF"H but have not been able to find a way to stop content length filtering ofL dynamic HTML. I've also toggled KeepAlive has well as most other parameters.  8 5. the following link may shed some light on my problem:> http://hypermail.linklord.com/new-httpd.old/2002/Aug/0374.html  J 6. According to the change logs at www.apache.org there have been numerousH fixes between Apache 2.0.47 (used by CSWS-2.0) and Apache 2.0.49 (latest UNIX/Windows release).   <<< Conclusion >>>  @ I'm giving up on CSWS-2.x until HP releases a version based uponL Apache-2.0.49 or someone else confirms that CGI is working properly on their implementation of CSWS-2.0    
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,i Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jun 2004 15:08:28 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)F Subject: Re: Understanding Peak virtual size VS UAF pgflquota+WSEXTENT= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0406151408.5488238b@posting.google.com>a  f "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<BdDzc.8164$Xy3.25951@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>... > Hi > - > Those number are all expressed in pagelets.F' > And yes about wsmax (your other post)  >   > But I'm not sure I follow you.N > PQL_MPGFLQUOTA  is the minimum value for pgflquota. It's already bigger than > this for the process.uM > I don't want to raise the minimum for all processes, when it's only a bunche > of users having a problem. > N > I increased pgflquota in authorize for those users, by an arbitrary (almost) > value and it works ok.N > But the problem remains, I can't figure how to calculate how many pagelets IM > need based on the numbers returned by ACCOUNTING or SHOW PROCESS/ACCOUNTING  > ! > Thos numbers just don't add up.  >  > -- e	 > Syltremu [...]    What doesn't add up? You wrote:d  F "I started with PGFLQUO in UAF set to 150,000 and the program crashed.A I tried increasing the PGFLQUO in UAF to 300,000 and that worked.oE I tried decreasing to 50,000 (just to further make the point) and thep" program crashed even more quickly. So far it's all consistent.   @ Problem comes with the Peak Virtual Size I see in SHOW PROC/ACCOC With a setting of PGFLQUO at 150,000, process peak usage is 341,856  when the
 process hangslC Setting at 300,000, peak usage is 353,008 and it runs to completiond? Setting at 50,000, peak usage at 292,016 when the process hangsP  5 WSQUOTA is always set to 7,168 and WSEXTENT to 16,384.  D If Accounting reports that the usage is 342K when the quota is 150K, thenD how am I supposed to know how to set the quota if I know the process really  needs 353K to run to completion?4 Those number, AFAIK, are all pagelets (Alpha system) "j  @ If you reinterpret "process peak usage" as "peak virtual size" IE believe it adds up. Did you not see my first post about this? In thato
 post I wrote:@   "eA Also, when ACCOUNTING says "Peak page file:" it really should sayuD "Peak virtual size:", at least it does on my VAX systems running VMS v6.1 and v6.2. "v   JMHO   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jun 2004 03:11:58 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.comr Subject: URL for patch infoh, Message-ID: <caodpu010at@enews1.newsguy.com>  K I seem to recall seeing a webpage that show what patches should be on a VMSnL system for a given version and what order they should be applied.  Of course. I can't remember where I saw this.  Any ideas?   		Zane   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 22:07:18 GMTd1 From: "Ken Randell" <kenneth.randell@verizon.net>t/ Subject: Re: VMS Gets Short Shrift at HP World. 8 Message-ID: <qqKzc.48359$TR1.38406@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>   Agreed (again).i  K Even though I missed the most recent Advanced VMS Symposium, having been tonI the previous 2 beats being in St. Louis.  Being able to talk to the folksrK directly in Engineering makes this worth whatever it costs in time in money * if you have significant investment in VMS.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:05:53 GMTA, From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net>/ Subject: Re: VMS Gets Short Shrift at HP World.R- Message-ID: <khLzc.37261$2i5.22475@attbi_s52>   J While on an Encompass con-call this afternoon, this subject came up.  AlsoH on the con-call was a member of the VMS content team and a member of the Body.i  I There will be more VMS content than mentioned here, the final numbers are G not in yet.  Having the challenge of moving from November to August wase4 something that needed to be dealt with.  And it was.  I I'm sure there are many more things that go on to make this event happen.n  K I did here an interesting comment and at first thought of not mentioning ituL here, but I would like to have everyone reading this to give it some serious! constructive thought.  Here goes.H  F Its being said by some that the "comp" on this newsgroup ought to meanK "complain".  I for one would rather have it mean what its intended to.  NowoL before the swords get drawn, please re-read the previous paragraph.  Thanks.   Dave...     ? "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in messagee% news:40CE65C8.8381A794@comcast.net...(E > Well, looks like hp is continuing its VMS-cide efforts even with HPoF > World (the current incarnation of "DECUS"). I looked at the completeG > session catalog in its current form (to see if any of my ten sessions H > were scheduled - none were found) and was surprised at how few OpenVMS > sessions there are.  >sI > I just took a fast count. I show 319 sessions, of which only 20 mentionhH > VMS (using SEARCH on OpenVMS on text copied from the web page). I make > that as 6.2% of the total. >o  > Pretty sorry state of affairs. >i3 > It seems VMS is getting the short end once again.  > H > ...unless VMS and VMS-related services make up only 6.2% of hp's total > profits (doubtful)...  >d > D.J.D. >c > P.S.:rH > Perhaps VMSUS can rise and make up for this somehow. Let me ask aroundI > and see what the chances are of getting a VMS-focused symposium of someAI > kind together before the next bootcamp. No promises - just the last actS > of a desperate clan.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:12:55 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG/ Subject: Re: VMS Gets Short Shrift at HP World. 0 Message-ID: <00A336A5.F9D95DCE@SendSpamHere.ORG>  \ In article <khLzc.37261$2i5.22475@attbi_s52>, "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net> writes:K >While on an Encompass con-call this afternoon, this subject came up.  AlsorI >on the con-call was a member of the VMS content team and a member of the  >Body.  # Landru... become one with the body.i    J >There will be more VMS content than mentioned here, the final numbers areH >not in yet.  Having the challenge of moving from November to August was5 >something that needed to be dealt with.  And it was.s  H I know the members of the VMS content team well.  It is not their fault.H They are given X slots and X**value sessions to fit into said slots.  It is not an easy job.  d  ' These X slots are still a small number.     G >Its being said by some that the "comp" on this newsgroup ought to meanoL >"complain".  I for one would rather have it mean what its intended to.  NowM >before the swords get drawn, please re-read the previous paragraph.  Thanks.e  L I recall when this was carl.os.vms so stop complaining about complaining. :) -- eB http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.y -- tK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMD            05   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:15:07 -0500e2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>/ Subject: Re: VMS Gets Short Shrift at HP World.w+ Message-ID: <40CF9F1A.D627BBAC@comcast.net>r   Dave Gudewicz wrote: > L > While on an Encompass con-call this afternoon, this subject came up.  AlsoJ > on the con-call was a member of the VMS content team and a member of the > Body.w  $ Did Landru moderate the ConCall? ;-)  K > There will be more VMS content than mentioned here, the final numbers areeI > not in yet.  Having the challenge of moving from November to August was 6 > something that needed to be dealt with.  And it was.  A Curious. It would be interesting to know why the move, other than . Chicago's frequently unpredictable Novembers.   F This being June, roughly 8 weeks before the symposium, I'd have had toB complete somewhere in the neighborhood of seven PPTs in that time,H including the research for the session material. Guess "they" have neverA been working people trying to juggle a life, a job and a (set of)iH symposium contribution(s), not to mention a new home, an elderly parent,* a brother with his own medical issues, ...  K > I'm sure there are many more things that go on to make this event happen.e  C Undoubtedly, but let's get back to reality. Have these people neveri heard of DECUS?i  M > I did here an interesting comment and at first thought of not mentioning itaN > here, but I would like to have everyone reading this to give it some serious# > constructive thought.  Here goes.g > H > Its being said by some that the "comp" on this newsgroup ought to meanI > "complain".  I for one would rather have it mean what its intended to. 1  F Then I guess "some" will have to get over the fact that as long as the@ reasons for the complaints persist, the complaints will persist.  H The solution is simplicity itself, so I'm a bit cinfused as to why theseB supposedly educated people didn't figure out: stop lying, breaking0 commitments and refusing to market your product.  , Do I perhaps need to do a PPT for THEM???!!!  " This is not rocket science, folks.  H Anyone within hp, Encompass, Interex, etc. who wants the "comp"laints toA stop should feel free to contact me privately (how to de-mung thenH reply-to should be obvious, but perhaps I assume too much) and I will be1 more than delighted to help you reach your goals.	  4 ...for a nominal fee, of course. We can negotiate...   D.J.D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 02:28:28 GMTe% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>u/ Subject: Re: VMS Gets Short Shrift at HP World. A Message-ID: <gfOzc.24719$eH1.11333432@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>k  6 "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message! news:40CEC627.1090803@MMaz.com...g > David J Dachtera wrote:c > F > >Well, looks like hp is continuing its VMS-cide efforts even with HPG > >World (the current incarnation of "DECUS"). I looked at the completeHH > >session catalog in its current form (to see if any of my ten sessionsI > >were scheduled - none were found) and was surprised at how few OpenVMSc > >sessions there are. > >yJ > >I just took a fast count. I show 319 sessions, of which only 20 mentionI > >VMS (using SEARCH on OpenVMS on text copied from the web page). I make  > >that as 6.2% of the total.  > >e! > >Pretty sorry state of affairs.n > > 4 > >It seems VMS is getting the short end once again. > >oH > >..unless VMS and VMS-related services make up only 6.2% of hp's total > >profits (doubtful)... > >- > >- > > I > Well, when you have Sue at HP pitching Dell jobs on the Encompass list,m > what does that tell you... >s  I That Dell wants a reliable computing infrastructure to run their business> on?B   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 02:36:04 GMTr% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>5/ Subject: Re: VMS Gets Short Shrift at HP World. A Message-ID: <omOzc.24720$eH1.11334836@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>e  , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A3362F.0990A3D5@SendSpamHere.ORG...= > In article <40CEC627.1090803@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr."u <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:u > >David J Dachtera wrote: > >HG > >>Well, looks like hp is continuing its VMS-cide efforts even with HPeH > >>World (the current incarnation of "DECUS"). I looked at the completeI > >>session catalog in its current form (to see if any of my ten sessions^J > >>were scheduled - none were found) and was surprised at how few OpenVMS > >>sessions there are.b > >>K > >>I just took a fast count. I show 319 sessions, of which only 20 mention-J > >>VMS (using SEARCH on OpenVMS on text copied from the web page). I make > >>that as 6.2% of the total. > >>" > >>Pretty sorry state of affairs. > >>5 > >>It seems VMS is getting the short end once again.t > >>I > >>..unless VMS and VMS-related services make up only 6.2% of hp's totalw > >>profits (doubtful)...e > >> > >> > >>J > >Well, when you have Sue at HP pitching Dell jobs on the Encompass list, > >what does that tell you...  >,  > Don't take cheap shots at Sue! >mE > If David wants a symposium with OpenVMS content, he just missed it.wD > Abandon the symposium formerly known as DECUS and head off instead2 > to the OpenVMS Bootcamps Sue has been arranging. >sD > DECUS started taking a downward spiral in the proverbial porcelainD > thone a long time ago.  The introduction of the "trade show" seemsD > to be the defining moment for the first few dynes being applied toC > the flush mechanism's lever.  Under Compaq, the renaming of DECUSeD > and symposium helped to increase the effort applied to that lever.C > Incorporating the world of the PeeCee weenies really sent many of1C > the traditional DECUS types scrambling to push down that lever asc" > hard and repeatedly as possible. >dE > HP World is a trade show with a couple of symposium-like character-fD > istics.  I wouldn't be too concerned with lack of VMS content.  ItC > is like being concerned with whether or not the water in the bowlrD > is blue or clear in conjunction with the other nasty bits that are > floating inside it.k >s  L I whole heartedly agree!!  The bootcamp has the look and feel of symposia ofJ the 80s.  Great technical content, more VMS engineers than you can shake aI cat at and just the right mix of trade show: 1 night, 3 hours, free beer!d   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 03:08:06 GMTR, From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net>/ Subject: Re: VMS Gets Short Shrift at HP World.a+ Message-ID: <pQOzc.98245$3x.6757@attbi_s54>t  = Landru did not moderate nor was he (it?) on the con-call.  :)   J The move from November (Lost Wages) to August (Chicago) was made to have aK combined Interex/Encompass/HP event.  And while on the Star Trek subject, IsF would have preferred Lost Wages.  Reason?  Star Trek experience at the Hilton.e  . See: http://www.startrekexp.com/  for details.  I There was never, to my knowledge, a Chicago event scheduled for November.i  L I believe all involved with this event were aware of the time (Nov. to Aug.)
 challenge.  C The "complain" comment was a general one, not targeted at anyone in  particular.       ? "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in messagee% news:40CF9F1A.D627BBAC@comcast.net...  > Dave Gudewicz wrote: > >.H > > While on an Encompass con-call this afternoon, this subject came up. AlsoL > > on the con-call was a member of the VMS content team and a member of the	 > > Body.- >?& > Did Landru moderate the ConCall? ;-) >sI > > There will be more VMS content than mentioned here, the final numbersm areeK > > not in yet.  Having the challenge of moving from November to August was 8 > > something that needed to be dealt with.  And it was. >oC > Curious. It would be interesting to know why the move, other thane/ > Chicago's frequently unpredictable Novembers.a >pH > This being June, roughly 8 weeks before the symposium, I'd have had toD > complete somewhere in the neighborhood of seven PPTs in that time,J > including the research for the session material. Guess "they" have neverC > been working people trying to juggle a life, a job and a (set of)oJ > symposium contribution(s), not to mention a new home, an elderly parent,, > a brother with his own medical issues, ... > E > > I'm sure there are many more things that go on to make this event  happen.  >pE > Undoubtedly, but let's get back to reality. Have these people never  > heard of DECUS?i >eL > > I did here an interesting comment and at first thought of not mentioning itH > > here, but I would like to have everyone reading this to give it some seriousD% > > constructive thought.  Here goes.D > >CJ > > Its being said by some that the "comp" on this newsgroup ought to meanJ > > "complain".  I for one would rather have it mean what its intended to. > H > Then I guess "some" will have to get over the fact that as long as theB > reasons for the complaints persist, the complaints will persist. > J > The solution is simplicity itself, so I'm a bit cinfused as to why theseD > supposedly educated people didn't figure out: stop lying, breaking2 > commitments and refusing to market your product. > . > Do I perhaps need to do a PPT for THEM???!!! > $ > This is not rocket science, folks. >dJ > Anyone within hp, Encompass, Interex, etc. who wants the "comp"laints toC > stop should feel free to contact me privately (how to de-mung thenJ > reply-to should be obvious, but perhaps I assume too much) and I will be3 > more than delighted to help you reach your goals.s >h6 > ...for a nominal fee, of course. We can negotiate... >r > D.J.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:32:50 -0700e+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>D/ Subject: Re: VMS Gets Short Shrift at HP World.p' Message-ID: <40CFBF62.4060806@MMaz.com>h   John Vottero wrote:M  - ><VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in messagem+ >news:00A3362F.0990A3D5@SendSpamHere.ORG...n >    >i= >>In article <40CEC627.1090803@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr."  >>     >> ><Treahy@MMaz.com> writes: >  V >s >>>David J Dachtera wrote: >>>u	 >>>      w >>>cG >>>>Well, looks like hp is continuing its VMS-cide efforts even with HPeH >>>>World (the current incarnation of "DECUS"). I looked at the completeI >>>>session catalog in its current form (to see if any of my ten sessionseJ >>>>were scheduled - none were found) and was surprised at how few OpenVMS >>>>sessions there are.  >>>>K >>>>I just took a fast count. I show 319 sessions, of which only 20 mention J >>>>VMS (using SEARCH on OpenVMS on text copied from the web page). I make >>>>that as 6.2% of the total. >>>>" >>>>Pretty sorry state of affairs. >>>>5 >>>>It seems VMS is getting the short end once again.r >>>>I >>>>..unless VMS and VMS-related services make up only 6.2% of hp's total  >>>>profits (doubtful)...r >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>         >>>>J >>>Well, when you have Sue at HP pitching Dell jobs on the Encompass list, >>>what does that tell you...m	 >>>        >>>e  >>Don't take cheap shots at Sue! >>E >>If David wants a symposium with OpenVMS content, he just missed it.'D >>Abandon the symposium formerly known as DECUS and head off instead2 >>to the OpenVMS Bootcamps Sue has been arranging. >>D >>DECUS started taking a downward spiral in the proverbial porcelainD >>thone a long time ago.  The introduction of the "trade show" seemsD >>to be the defining moment for the first few dynes being applied toC >>the flush mechanism's lever.  Under Compaq, the renaming of DECUS D >>and symposium helped to increase the effort applied to that lever.C >>Incorporating the world of the PeeCee weenies really sent many of-C >>the traditional DECUS types scrambling to push down that lever as " >>hard and repeatedly as possible. >>E >>HP World is a trade show with a couple of symposium-like character-nD >>istics.  I wouldn't be too concerned with lack of VMS content.  ItC >>is like being concerned with whether or not the water in the bowl D >>is blue or clear in conjunction with the other nasty bits that are >>floating inside it.  >> >>     >> >aM >I whole heartedly agree!!  The bootcamp has the look and feel of symposia ofaK >the 80s.  Great technical content, more VMS engineers than you can shake alJ >cat at and just the right mix of trade show: 1 night, 3 hours, free beer! >    > I And might as well be on the moon for us on the West Coast.  At least the sE old DECUS Symposia, and yes I attended both coasts faithfully in the  5 80's and early 90's, alternated, ergo, 'both coasts.'g     Barrya   --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:35:17 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> / Subject: Re: VMS Gets Short Shrift at HP World.e' Message-ID: <40CFBFF5.4000803@MMaz.com>    John Vottero wrote:e  7 >"Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in messagee" >news:40CEC627.1090803@MMaz.com... >    >  >>David J Dachtera wrote:$ >> >>     >>F >>>Well, looks like hp is continuing its VMS-cide efforts even with HPG >>>World (the current incarnation of "DECUS"). I looked at the complete H >>>session catalog in its current form (to see if any of my ten sessionsI >>>were scheduled - none were found) and was surprised at how few OpenVMS- >>>sessions there are. >>>rJ >>>I just took a fast count. I show 319 sessions, of which only 20 mentionI >>>VMS (using SEARCH on OpenVMS on text copied from the web page). I make6 >>>that as 6.2% of the total.u >>>?! >>>Pretty sorry state of affairs.t >>>t4 >>>It seems VMS is getting the short end once again. >>>oH >>>..unless VMS and VMS-related services make up only 6.2% of hp's total >>>profits (doubtful)... >>>s >>>i >>>i	 >>>      t >>> I >>Well, when you have Sue at HP pitching Dell jobs on the Encompass list,o >>what does that tell you... >> >>     >> >OJ >That Dell wants a reliable computing infrastructure to run their business >on? >  . >nI That would be a great marketing victory for VMS, I guess we'll just have   to wait and seeu   Barry      -- 0  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:00:02 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.comW Subject: [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1] VMS731_UPDATE-V0300 is corrupt, will not extract itself Q Message-ID: <OF71794787.AE6D998E-ON85256EB4.0062EA44-85256EB4.00630DFA@metso.com>    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:13:47 -0400e From: norm.raphael@metso.comW Subject: [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1] VMS731_UPDATE-V0300 is corrupt, will not extract itselfaQ Message-ID: <OF71794787.AE6D998E-ON85256EB4.0062EA44-85256EB4.00645011@metso.com>r  H  [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1] VMS731_UPDATE-V0300 is corrupt, will not extract itself  ! This has been logged with the CSCi    7 $run DEC-AXPVMS-VMS731_UPDATE-V0300--4.PCSI-DCX_AXPEXE;   K                 FTSV DCX auto-extractible compressed file for OpenVMS (AXP)v6                 FTSV V3.0 -- FTSV$DCX_AXP_AUTO_EXTRACT:                 Copyright (c) Digital Equipment Corp. 1993  ? Options: [output_file_specification [input_file_specification]]e  < The decompressor  needs to know  the filename to use for the< decompressed file. If you don't specify any, it will use the< original name  of the  file before it  was  compressed,  and< create  it in  the  current  directory.  If  you  specify  a; directory name, the file will be created in that directory.e    /         Opening and checking compressed file...k6 Decompressing (press Ctrl-T to watch the evolution)...%         Creating decompressed file...t$         Original file specification:+ VKC_KITS$:[KIT_BUILD.ALP.PCSI.731.UPDATE3.U24 PDATE.V0300]DEC-AXPVMS-VMS731_UPDATE-V0300--4.PCSI;1(         Decompressed file specification:( DEC-AXPVMS-VMS731_UPDATE-V0300--4.PCSI;10 %FTSV-W-COMP_DECOMPERR, fatal decompressor error -DCX-W-TRUNC, data truncated $!   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:26:42 +0000 (UTC)i6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)Y Subject: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1] VMS731_UPDATE-V0300 is corrupt, will not extract itsea1 Message-ID: <newscache$t07dzh$sw51$1@news.sil.at>t  p In article <OF71794787.AE6D998E-ON85256EB4.0062EA44-85256EB4.00645011@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes:P > [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1] VMS731_UPDATE-V0300 is corrupt, will not extract itself > " >This has been logged with the CSC >>8 >$run DEC-AXPVMS-VMS731_UPDATE-V0300--4.PCSI-DCX_AXPEXE; >[...]) >        Decompressed file specification:h) >DEC-AXPVMS-VMS731_UPDATE-V0300--4.PCSI;1v1 >%FTSV-W-COMP_DECOMPERR, fatal decompressor error2 >-DCX-W-TRUNC, data truncatedT   Two possibilities.  + 1) The kit is indeed corrupt on the server. E 2) The problem is with the transfer (eg. better don't use HTTP in US,tF instead use FTP or HTTP in Europe and also try without a proxy server)   I don't think it is 1)   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERh% Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 15:46:46 -0400> From: norm.raphael@metso.comY Subject: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1] VMS731_UPDATE-V0300 is corrupt, will not extract itsecQ Message-ID: <OF3C897F19.0B7D243D-ON85256EB4.006C85A6-85256EB4.006CBAFD@metso.com>I  F I have been informed by the CSC that the kit was indeed corrupt on the! server and has now been replaced..  D peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote on 06/15/2004 03:26:42 PM:  ? > In article <OF71794787.AE6D998E-ON85256EB4.0062EA44-85256EB4.n5 > 00645011@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes:,C > > [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1] VMS731_UPDATE-V0300 is corrupt, will notk > extract itself > >.$ > >This has been logged with the CSC > >n: > >$run DEC-AXPVMS-VMS731_UPDATE-V0300--4.PCSI-DCX_AXPEXE; > >[...]+ > >        Decompressed file specification: + > >DEC-AXPVMS-VMS731_UPDATE-V0300--4.PCSI;1n3 > >%FTSV-W-COMP_DECOMPERR, fatal decompressor errorl > >-DCX-W-TRUNC, data truncatedt >b > Two possibilities. > - > 1) The kit is indeed corrupt on the server. G > 2) The problem is with the transfer (eg. better don't use HTTP in US, H > instead use FTP or HTTP in Europe and also try without a proxy server) >e > I don't think it is 1)   Well, nobody bats 1000 ;-) .     >; > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER4' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 18:19:54 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)7 Subject: RE: [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2] VMS732_UPDATE-V0200 1 Message-ID: <newscache$ix3dzh$1051$1@news.sil.at>i  | In article <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB3567E8@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> writes:C >> From: Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER [mailto:peter@langstoeger.at]=200' >> What the heck is the problem today ?n9 >> Can an ECO not successfully install at the first try ?  > F >Not sure what the problem you ran into was, but I downline loaded theG >V7.3-2 Update V2 patch on the weekend and it installed fine on my homee >lab systems with zero issues.  G The problem was that the download/unpacking sequence produced a corrupttC PCSI file (40 Blocks less) without any notice of errors or warningsoI (it might be related that @work I have to use a proxy and @home I don't).0  H The problem was also that this did happen the third time now (every timeC it was a VMS ECO with DCX compression) and I also didn't check (for.G freespace on the disk and for) the size of the PCSI kit after unpackingNB THOUGH I SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS, BECAUSE I WAS BURNT TWICE ALREADY.  G Finally I was able to download/unpack/check/install without problems on,5 all my machines (@home&@work) after having ranted ;-)d   -- 1 Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialisti E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.332 ************************have the same configuration, but I'm similar problems getting phpbb2E to run.  As near as maxtail, i;
                char *numtail = tname + flen + blen;

                maxtail = 65535;
                switch (tlen - flen - blen - 1) {
                    case 4: maxtail = 9999; break;
                    case 3: maxtail = 999; break;
                    case 2: maxtail = 99; break;
                    case 1: maxtail = 9; break;
                    case 0: maxtail = 0; break;
                }
                /* while filename exists */
                for (i = 0; (i <= maxtail) && (SSTAT(tname, &tmpstat) == 0);)
                    sprintf(numtail,"%u", ++i);
            }

            if (rename(G.filename, tname) != 0) {   /* move file */
                Info(slide, 0x401, ((char *)slide,
                  LoadFarString(CannotRenameOldFile), FnFilter1(G.filename)));
                free(tname);
                return 1;
            }
            Trace((stderr, "open_outfile:  %s now renamed into %s\n",
              FnFilter1(G.filename), FnFilter2(tname)));
            free(tname);
       