1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 16 Jun 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 333       Contents: Conversion from RT-11 to VMS  Re: Conversion from RT-11 to VMS  Re: Conversion from RT-11 to VMS  Re: Conversion from RT-11 to VMS delete directory recursive Re: delete directory recursive Re: delete directory recursive Re: delete directory recursive@ Re: HP likely to add 5,000 jobs; Won't spin off printer division@ Re: HP likely to add 5,000 jobs; Won't spin off printer division@ Re: HP likely to add 5,000 jobs; Won't spin off printer division1 Re: Job openings at Dell in Texas - not VMS - ??? 1 RE: New IA64 binaries run on Old IA64 computers ?  Re: phpbb2 on VMS? Re: phpbb2 on VMS?0 Re: Quadrics adds lower-end supercomputer switch7 Re: Tru64 --> OpenVMS rather than another unix platform 7 Re: Tru64 --> OpenVMS rather than another unix platform 7 Re: Tru64 --> OpenVMS rather than another unix platform 7 RE: Tru64 --> OpenVMS rather than another unix platform = Re: Understanding Peak virtual size VS UAF pgflquota+WSEXTENT 5 Re: URL for latest Library and Tape Tools version 3.5  Re: URL for patch info& Re: VMS Gets Short Shrift at HP World.& Re: VMS Gets Short Shrift at HP World.& Re: VMS Gets Short Shrift at HP World.# Re: What is the X$X0 DECnet object?  Re: zip file contention  Re: zip file contention P Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1] VMS731_UPDATE-V0300 is corrupt, will not extract itse  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:33:30 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>% Subject: Conversion from RT-11 to VMS / Message-ID: <40D0300A.26397.458460FD@localhost>   F I have a prospective client who has a bunch of 8" floppies written by > RT-11.  How can I get these to a form that can be read by VMS?  E Since the client has no PDP-11 or floppy drive, I am completely open  B to suggestions.  The disks cannot be sent to a conversion service  provider, however...  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:05:46 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> ) Subject: Re: Conversion from RT-11 to VMS < Message-ID: <ud_zc.6333$ab4.1238@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com>   Stanley F. Quayle wrote:H > I have a prospective client who has a bunch of 8" floppies written by @ > RT-11.  How can I get these to a form that can be read by VMS? > G > Since the client has no PDP-11 or floppy drive, I am completely open  D > to suggestions.  The disks cannot be sent to a conversion service  > provider, however... >  > --Stan Quayle  > Quayle Consulting Inc. >  > ----------/ > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 5 > 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 2 > stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com >  >  >   G What, you can't get the information through osmosis? So what do you or  I they have that uses 8" floppies? If you have access to an 11/780 you can  # use the console exchange command...    Michael Austin.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:34:15 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG) Subject: Re: Conversion from RT-11 to VMS 0 Message-ID: <00A33726.B3207DDB@SendSpamHere.ORG>  d In article <40D0300A.26397.458460FD@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> writes:G >I have a prospective client who has a bunch of 8" floppies written by  ? >RT-11.  How can I get these to a form that can be read by VMS?  > F >Since the client has no PDP-11 or floppy drive, I am completely open C >to suggestions.  The disks cannot be sent to a conversion service   >provider, however...  >  >--Stan Quayle >Quayle Consulting Inc.  >  >---------- . >Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-13634 >8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA1 >stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   H Put the floppies in the 8" drive of the LSI-11 in your trusty VAX-11/78* and use EXCHANGE. :)   --  B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jun 2004 17:35:15 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)) Subject: Re: Conversion from RT-11 to VMS * Message-ID: <2jbemiFv8b2jU1@uni-berlin.de>  / In article <40D0300A.26397.458460FD@localhost>, 5 	"Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> writes: H > I have a prospective client who has a bunch of 8" floppies written by @ > RT-11.  How can I get these to a form that can be read by VMS? > G > Since the client has no PDP-11 or floppy drive, I am completely open  D > to suggestions.  The disks cannot be sent to a conversion service  > provider, however...  A Seems like you eliminated your only option.  If the client has no 4 floppy drives how does he expect to read them?   :-)     bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:19:00 GMT / From: "Charles J. Fisher" <cfisher@rhadmin.org> # Subject: delete directory recursive @ Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.58.0406160905090.13433@bart.rhadmin.org>  J Is there a way in VMS to accomplish an "rm -r" (UNIX), "deltree" (Win95), M or "del /s" (WinNT)? I'm a VMS neophyte and I can't find anything to do this.   F If not, here is an AWK script that works with the VMS version of GAWK:  & BEGIN { dir_delete(toupper(ARGV[1])) }    function dir_delete(f,		command) { < 	if(index(f, ".DIR")) f = substr(f, 1, index(f, ".DIR") - 1)  # 	command = "dir/columns=1 [." f "]"  	while(command | getline > 0)  		if(index($0,";")) - 			if(index($0,".DIR;")) dir_delete(f "." $0)  				else file_delete(f "." $0) 	close(command)  	file_delete(f ".DIR;1") }   ! function file_delete(f,		pointer)  { $ 	pointer = match(f, /[^.]*\.[^.]*$/) 	if(pointer)! 		if(pointer == 1) print "del " f 6 			else print "del [." substr(f, 1, pointer - 2) "]" \ 				substr(f, pointer) }     - Call it thus, then cut and paste the results:    $ awk -f delrecurse.awk top   del [.TOP.ONE.JERRY]JERRY2.DIR;1 del [.TOP.ONE.JERRY]JFILE.;1 del [.TOP.ONE]JERRY.DIR;1  del [.TOP.ONE]TONE.;1  del [.TOP]ONE.DIR;1  del [.TOP]TFILE.;2 del [.TOP]TFILE.;1 del [.TOP.TWO]TTWO.;1  del [.TOP]TWO.DIR;1 
 del TOP.DIR;1   < p.s. VMS GAWK: http://vms.process.com/fileserv-software.html  O     --------------------------------------------------------------------------- N    / Charles J. Fisher     | "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land,   /M   /  cfisher@rhadmin.org   |   it will be in the guise of fighting a        / L  /   http://rhadmin.org    |   foreign enemy." - James Madison             /K ---------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jun 2004 09:41:50 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ' Subject: Re: delete directory recursive 3 Message-ID: <n+kEmsvCRj1P@eisner.encompasserve.org>   r In article <Pine.BSO.4.58.0406160905090.13433@bart.rhadmin.org>, "Charles J. Fisher" <cfisher@rhadmin.org> writes:L > Is there a way in VMS to accomplish an "rm -r" (UNIX), "deltree" (Win95), O > or "del /s" (WinNT)? I'm a VMS neophyte and I can't find anything to do this.  > H > If not, here is an AWK script that works with the VMS version of GAWK:  J For the rare occasions when I have wanted to do this, I have just used theL first command below followed by repeated applications of the second command:  F 	$ DELETE disk$target:[directory.subdirectory...]*.*;*/EXCLUDE=*.DIR;18 	$ DELETE disk$target:[directory.subdirectory...]*.DIR;1   Living with the error messages.   H But there are various DCL command procedures floating around to do this,+ no doubt useful for people who do it a lot.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:59:12 +0100 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>' Subject: Re: delete directory recursive 4 Message-ID: <capn80$a66$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>   Charles J. Fisher wrote:  L > Is there a way in VMS to accomplish an "rm -r" (UNIX), "deltree" (Win95), O > or "del /s" (WinNT)? I'm a VMS neophyte and I can't find anything to do this.   H If you weren't running with an excess of privilege, you'd need to start 5 with $ set file/prot=w:rwed top.dir;,[.top...]*.dir;1 1 then do $ del [.top...]*.*;*,;,;,;,;,;,[]top.dir;   E (add ,; as many times as necessary to cater for the necessary depth).   B Alternatively, for more efficiency, get dfu off the freeware disk B (deletion from very large directories can be slow), and use $ dfu  del/dir/tree top   Chris    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:44:36 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk' Subject: Re: delete directory recursive ) Message-ID: <cappt4$562$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   c In article <n+kEmsvCRj1P@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: s >In article <Pine.BSO.4.58.0406160905090.13433@bart.rhadmin.org>, "Charles J. Fisher" <cfisher@rhadmin.org> writes: M >> Is there a way in VMS to accomplish an "rm -r" (UNIX), "deltree" (Win95),  P >> or "del /s" (WinNT)? I'm a VMS neophyte and I can't find anything to do this. >>  I >> If not, here is an AWK script that works with the VMS version of GAWK:  > K >For the rare occasions when I have wanted to do this, I have just used the M >first command below followed by repeated applications of the second command:  > G >	$ DELETE disk$target:[directory.subdirectory...]*.*;*/EXCLUDE=*.DIR;1 9 >	$ DELETE disk$target:[directory.subdirectory...]*.DIR;1  >   >Living with the error messages. > I >But there are various DCL command procedures floating around to do this, , >no doubt useful for people who do it a lot.  B For fast deletion the best tool is probably the public domain DFU.   DFU DEL/DIR/TREE    I Doing it manually or with DCL scripts is OK when the directories involved M contain relatively few files but if you have a directory containing thousands 5 of files it can take forever compared with using DFU.     
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:29:56 +0200 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> I Subject: Re: HP likely to add 5,000 jobs; Won't spin off printer division * Message-ID: <2jam56Fv75fhU1@uni-berlin.de>  * On 2004-06-15 18:19, "Keith Parris" wrote:  ! > The Oakland Tribune reports at: G > http://www.oaklandtribune.com/Stories/0,1413,82~10834~2204011,00.html  > ---  >  > [...]  > ....F > The company will remain intact and Hewlett-Packard isn't consideringD > spinning off its printing and imaging division, which last quarter0                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^F > produced 69 percent of the company's profit and 30 percent of sales.E            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  >  > [...]    Interesting numbers.   Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jun 2004 06:59:24 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) I Subject: Re: HP likely to add 5,000 jobs; Won't spin off printer division 3 Message-ID: <USM$6Ua7ev+J@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <2jam56Fv75fhU1@uni-berlin.de>, Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> writes:, > On 2004-06-15 18:19, "Keith Parris" wrote:2 >                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^G >> produced 69 percent of the company's profit and 30 percent of sales. G >            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    > Interesting numbers.  F    While the PC group accounted for 69 percent of sales and 30 percent
    of losses?         ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:35:12 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> I Subject: Re: HP likely to add 5,000 jobs; Won't spin off printer division , Message-ID: <M8WdnT85JInjo03dRVn-gg@igs.net>  H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:USM$6Ua7ev+J@eisner.encompasserve.org... : > In article <2jam56Fv75fhU1@uni-berlin.de>, Michael Unger' <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> writes: . > > On 2004-06-15 18:19, "Keith Parris" wrote:4 > >                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^I > >> produced 69 percent of the company's profit and 30 percent of sales. I > >            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  >  > > Interesting numbers. > H >    While the PC group accounted for 69 percent of sales and 30 percent >    of losses?  >   8 It's more like 69% of the losses and 30% of total sales.  C Don't recall the exact percentages by division so take a look at HP D financials for the breakdown. PC's earned about 1% profit last year.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jun 2004 07:04:21 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) : Subject: Re: Job openings at Dell in Texas - not VMS - ???3 Message-ID: <QIhW8wr$EzV3@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <40CFBEB5.4020209@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:   	 >  it is  J > inconceivable to me that HP will make it easy for non-HP Itanic systems  > to run VMS  F    VMS engineering has said many times they will do nothing to make itG    hard to run VMS on non-HP systems, they're just notsupported if they 
    do work   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:46:17 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk: Subject: RE: New IA64 binaries run on Old IA64 computers ?) Message-ID: <cap1cp$qm4$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   | In article <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB3568B3@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> writes: >> -----Original Message----- F >> From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk [mailto:david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk]=20 >> Sent: June 15, 2004 1:31 PM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com= >> Subject: Re: New IA64 binaries run on Old IA64 computers ?  >>=20  > 
 >[snip ..] > @ >> However at least one application vendor decided that newer=20 >> versions of theirA >> software would be compiled with these options and that they=20  >> would only shipA >> binaries compiled with those options. Despite protests they=20  >> would NOT certify? >> or support that application running on EV5 or earlier chips. C >> The vendor Oracle. The software the Oracle "classic" database=20  >> from something > >> like Oracle 9.2 onwards (the very first oracle 9 version=20 >> would run on EV5 chips=20 >> later versions wouldn't). >>=20  >>=20 
 >> David Webb  >> VMS and unix team leader  >> CCSS  >> Middlesex University  >>=20 4 >> Stuck running Oracle 8i on VMS 7.3-1 EV5 systems. >>=20  >>  =20  >David,  > F >Does Oracle V9.x actually not run on EV5 i.e. you get an error, or is* >what is stopping you the recommendations. >   7 1) The statements from Oracle that it is not supported. K    Oracle tends to bypass RMS and do other nasty things in order to improve C    performance hence not following their recommendations is a risk. M    They have even been known to embed checks in their code so that it doesn't L    install on later versions of VMS than the ones current at the time it was    released.  L 2) After the version which didn't support EV5 shipped someone did post about$ having installed it on a EV5 system.L The system did run emulating the instructions however as I recall he gave upI since it was generating tons and tons of notification messages everytime  D an emulated instruction was executed ie something along the lines of  	 sqlplus /  xxx-emulated instruction xxx-emulated instruction xxx-emulated instruction xxx-emulated instruction xxx-emulated instruction xxx-emulated instruction xxx-emulated instruction xxx-emulated instruction xxx-emulated instruction xxx-emulated instruction xxx-emulated instruction xxx-emulated instruction xxx-emulated instruction xxx-emulated instruction xxx-emulated instruction xxx-emulated instruction xxx-emulated instruction SQL>     which he couldn't turn off.     
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University  	 >Regards,  >  >Kerry Main  >Senior Consultant >HP Services Canada  >Voice: 613-592-4660 >Fax: 613-591-4477 >Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom/ >(remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20  > % >"OpenVMS has always had integrity ..  >Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:04:18 +0200 3 From: "Ton van der Zwet" <ton.vanderzwet@hccnet.nl>  Subject: Re: phpbb2 on VMS? = Message-ID: <40d07d06$0$762$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl>   @ "David Jones" <JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu> schreef in bericht4 news:cano1q$oi8$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...< > In mmesage <40cf3cdf$0$90377$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net>,) > Bill Norton <norton@nospam.com> writes: G > >Has anyone gotten phpbb2 working on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 and some or G > >all of the following: MySQL 4.0-18, CSWS 2.0, CSWS Java V2, CSWS_PHP 4 > >1.2, PERL 5.6.1 Upd2, SSL 1.1A,  TCPIP V5.4 ECO1? > > ? > >My experience has been that I can get it to install and even 	 configure F > >for board and forum names, but it always dies with a database error atH > >seemingly random points during user registration or forum navigation. >  > G > I don't have the same configuration, but I'm similar problems getting  phpbb2G > to run.  As near as I can tell, the problem is the MySQL code assumes H > semantics for shared writing of files that just aren't being delivered by the > C RTL. >  >  > > > David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929/ > Ohio State University        |      Internet:   > 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     | jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu < > Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu > 3 > Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.   E I don't have the exact same configuration, but very close. After some < tweaking the bullitinboard system is running for months now. You can look for yourself at: " http://www.4ovms.dyndns.org/phpbb.: On this bullitin board is a discussion about this problem.< Register and you can get access (this partical discussion is; hidden, group members only). A "how I did it" is available.    Ton van der Zwet, 0 Member of the OpenOffice to OpenVMS porting team   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:33:48 +0200  From: jf.pieronne@laposte.net  Subject: Re: phpbb2 on VMS? 2 Message-ID: <caq0a1$3fk$1@news-reader4.wanadoo.fr>   > G > I don't have the exact same configuration, but very close. After some > > tweaking the bullitinboard system is running for months now. > You can look for yourself at: $ > http://www.4ovms.dyndns.org/phpbb.< > On this bullitin board is a discussion about this problem.> > Register and you can get access (this partical discussion is= > hidden, group members only). A "how I did it" is available.  >    Why hidden?    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jun 2004 07:01:25 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 9 Subject: Re: Quadrics adds lower-end supercomputer switch 3 Message-ID: <w0tVAk1c3WrW@eisner.encompasserve.org>   t In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-XWdhSVBRmRpR@dave2_os2.home.ours>, "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> writes: > F > I'm lousy at remembering model details but the VAX we use is one of ; > the 4000 series 'Alpha-Ready' ones. Of itself very quick.   D    We have several of those.  generally the NIC on the CPU board can@    keep up with 10Mb.  Additional NICs are usually Qbus limited.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:30:03 +0200 ( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>@ Subject: Re: Tru64 --> OpenVMS rather than another unix platform3 Message-ID: <001201c4536b$5bcf87f0$994614ac@wat153>    Hello,   Andrew wrotes:   >>> E It isn't exactly hard to port from one UNIX version to another and so G HP's Tru64->HP-UX migration program requires a negligable input of cash H to fund the technology component much of which existed before the Compaq
 HP merger. <<<   E Do you have experience with porting from one UNIX to another? I don't F think so. If you would have, then you would know, that sometimes it is@ harder to port from UNIX (e.g. TRUE64) to UNIX then from UNIX toF OpenVMS. E.g. Does Solaris have TRUE cluster? No! If youhave a clusterE proof application, you must port to OpenVMS, the onliest OS which  do E have the same (and higher) level of clustering. AFAIK all UNIX do not # have this high level of clustering.    Best regards R. Wingert    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jun 2004 07:07:04 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) @ Subject: Re: Tru64 --> OpenVMS rather than another unix platform3 Message-ID: <7jy8Vb8vRIY5@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <001201c4536b$5bcf87f0$994614ac@wat153>, "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> writes: > Hello, >  > Andrew wrotes: >  >>>>G > It isn't exactly hard to port from one UNIX version to another and so I > HP's Tru64->HP-UX migration program requires a negligable input of cash J > to fund the technology component much of which existed before the Compaq > HP merger. > <<<  > G > Do you have experience with porting from one UNIX to another? I don't H > think so. If you would have, then you would know, that sometimes it isB > harder to port from UNIX (e.g. TRUE64) to UNIX then from UNIX toH > OpenVMS. E.g. Does Solaris have TRUE cluster? No! If youhave a clusterG > proof application, you must port to OpenVMS, the onliest OS which  do G > have the same (and higher) level of clustering. AFAIK all UNIX do not % > have this high level of clustering.   I    Not to mention the many applications which have endian sensitive code. H    A port from Tru64 to VMS would preserve little-endian mode, a port to    HP-UX won't.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:48:24 +0100 9 From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove_.harrison@__sun.com> @ Subject: Re: Tru64 --> OpenVMS rather than another unix platform0 Message-ID: <capj32$p71$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rudolf Wingert wrote:  > Hello, >  > Andrew wrotes: >  > G > It isn't exactly hard to port from one UNIX version to another and so I > HP's Tru64->HP-UX migration program requires a negligable input of cash J > to fund the technology component much of which existed before the Compaq > HP merger. > <<<  > G > Do you have experience with porting from one UNIX to another? I don't H > think so. If you would have, then you would know, that sometimes it isB > harder to port from UNIX (e.g. TRUE64) to UNIX then from UNIX toH > OpenVMS. E.g. Does Solaris have TRUE cluster? No! If youhave a clusterG > proof application, you must port to OpenVMS, the onliest OS which  do G > have the same (and higher) level of clustering. AFAIK all UNIX do not % > have this high level of clustering.  >   < I have never ported from Tru64 to anything but I have ported0 from HP-UX to Solaris and from Linux to Solaris.  < And clustering is a complete Red Herring, 9i RAC is "ported": to TruCluster as it is to Sun Cluster but I doubt you will< find many other applications that are specifically ported to5 TruCluster. And the absence of any major raft of apps ; that are coded specifically for TruCluster also removes the   issue of having to port them !!!   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:32:17 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> @ Subject: RE: Tru64 --> OpenVMS rather than another unix platformR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB3568F2@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----E > From: Andrew Harrison [mailto:andrew_remove_.harrison@__sun.com]=20  > Sent: June 16, 2004 9:48 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com B > Subject: Re: Tru64 --> OpenVMS rather than another unix platform >=20 > Rudolf Wingert wrote: 
 > > Hello, > >=20 > > Andrew wrotes: > >=20 > >=20  
 [snip ...] >=20> > I have never ported from Tru64 to anything but I have ported2 > from HP-UX to Solaris and from Linux to Solaris. >=20> > And clustering is a complete Red Herring, 9i RAC is "ported"< > to TruCluster as it is to Sun Cluster but I doubt you will> > find many other applications that are specifically ported to7 > TruCluster. And the absence of any major raft of apps = > that are coded specifically for TruCluster also removes the " > issue of having to port them !!! >=20	 > Regards  > Andrew Harrison  >=20   Andrew,   A Minor correction here - 9i RAC is "ported" to Tru64. According to D Oracle, just as Solaris is (or was - chging to Linux apparently) theC reference dev platform for Oracle DB itself, Tru64 is the reference ; development platform for Oracle 9i RAC cluster software.=20   - Re: Oracle changing reference dev platform=20   
 Reference:H http://news.com.com/Oracle+to+finish+Linux+makeover+this+year/2100-7344_ 3-5220881.htmlH "For its own development work, Oracle is switching from Sun MicrosystemsE computers, he said. The new systems are provided by multiple computer H makers and use several versions of Linux from the top two sellers of the4 open-source operating system, Red Hat and Novell.=20  G It's not often that Oracle makes such a change. The last time it did so D was in the early 1990s, moving from Digital Equipment's VMS to Sun's Solaris, he said."   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:36:31 -0400 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>F Subject: Re: Understanding Peak virtual size VS UAF pgflquota+WSEXTENT4 Message-ID: <jYYzc.8705$Xy3.26162@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   Hi   Sorry but I still don't get it  C >> If you reinterpret "process peak usage" as "peak virtual size" I H >> believe it adds up. Did you not see my first post about this? In that >> post I wrote:   >> "D >> Also, when ACCOUNTING says "Peak page file:" it really should sayG >> "Peak virtual size:", at least it does on my VAX systems running VMS  >> v6.1 and v6.2.  >> "  & All numbers are expressed in pagelets.L If "Peak page file:" really should say "Peak virtual size:", then that valueF would be pgflquo+wsextent added together (real memory + paged memory =
 virtual size)   L So that would be 16,384 pagelets of RAM + 150,000 pagelets in the pagefile =G 166,384 pagelets is my quota, which is less than what was actually used - (341,856 pagelets as reported by accounting).   ? So again, why can I use a lot more memory than my quota allows?  Or tell me where I'm mistaken.   Thanks !   --   Syltrem    OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address--- E "Alan E. Feldman" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> a crit dans le message de 7 news:b096a4ee.0406151408.5488238b@posting.google.com... 7 > "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in message 0 news:<BdDzc.8164$Xy3.25951@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>... > > Hi > > / > > Those number are all expressed in pagelets. ) > > And yes about wsmax (your other post)  > > " > > But I'm not sure I follow you.K > > PQL_MPGFLQUOTA  is the minimum value for pgflquota. It's already bigger  than > > this for the process. I > > I don't want to raise the minimum for all processes, when it's only a  bunch  > > of users having a problem. > > G > > I increased pgflquota in authorize for those users, by an arbitrary  (almost) > > value and it works ok.E > > But the problem remains, I can't figure how to calculate how many 
 pagelets I< > > need based on the numbers returned by ACCOUNTING or SHOW PROCESS/ACCOUNTING > > # > > Thos numbers just don't add up.  > >  > > --   > > Syltrem  > [...]  > ! > What doesn't add up? You wrote:  > H > "I started with PGFLQUO in UAF set to 150,000 and the program crashed.C > I tried increasing the PGFLQUO in UAF to 300,000 and that worked. G > I tried decreasing to 50,000 (just to further make the point) and the $ > program crashed even more quickly. > So far it's all consistent.  > B > Problem comes with the Peak Virtual Size I see in SHOW PROC/ACCOE > With a setting of PGFLQUO at 150,000, process peak usage is 341,856 
 > when the > process hangs E > Setting at 300,000, peak usage is 353,008 and it runs to completion A > Setting at 50,000, peak usage at 292,016 when the process hangs  > 7 > WSQUOTA is always set to 7,168 and WSEXTENT to 16,384  > F > If Accounting reports that the usage is 342K when the quota is 150K, > thenF > how am I supposed to know how to set the quota if I know the process > really" > needs 353K to run to completion?6 > Those number, AFAIK, are all pagelets (Alpha system) > "  > B > If you reinterpret "process peak usage" as "peak virtual size" IG > believe it adds up. Did you not see my first post about this? In that  > post I wrote:  >  > " C > Also, when ACCOUNTING says "Peak page file:" it really should say F > "Peak virtual size:", at least it does on my VAX systems running VMS > v6.1 and v6.2. > "  >  > JMHO   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:33:39 -0000 / From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net> > Subject: Re: URL for latest Library and Tape Tools version 3.50 Message-ID: <10d0fh3sgjg0gf8@corp.supernews.com>  3 David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote:  > Peter Weaver wrote: H >> I just checked the documentation again, the web pages report that youJ >> need "OpenVMS 7 (Alpha Platform)." It is interesting that you mentionedG >> that you need GNV since the instructions give two different commands D >> that you need depending on whether you are using GNV nor not. TheH >> machine I installed this on has GNV V1.14.8(0) installed but I do not/ >> see any file named "TERMINFO" on the system.   5 > If the VMS port was complete, it'd use SMG instead.   N GNV is not what I would term a native port (that would use SMG, at least as an option).  M Though now that I'm thinking about it, SMG's terminal descriptions lack a lot A of detail that terminfo entries contain (I have in mind the color 7 descriptions).  So perhaps SMG wouldn't work that well.   O Still (if I were working on that port), I'd see what I could leverage from SMG. J When I first encountered SMG (1984 iirc), it didn't perform as well as theJ optimizer I wrote for flist.  But that relies on calls that DEC deprecated4 later, calling them (in M$ fashion), "undocumented".   --   Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net  ftp://invisible-island.net   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:01:32 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: URL for patch info 1 Message-ID: <newscache$sy5ezh$d9g1$1@news.sil.at>   H In article <caodpu010at@enews1.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com writes:L >I seem to recall seeing a webpage that show what patches should be on a VMSM >system for a given version and what order they should be applied.  Of course / >I can't remember where I saw this.  Any ideas?   " 	http://www.support.compaq.com.au/% 	ftp://ftp.hp.com.au/pub/patches/vms/   D If you think of the australian support site, it is no longer currentE because in Oct 2003 (in the middle of V7.3-1) hp stopped feeding ECOs D into this system. The site is still up and is valueable for previousH VMS versions and ECOs but it is no longer that important it was earlier.   I currently recommend   ' 	ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:02:12 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")/ Subject: Re: VMS Gets Short Shrift at HP World. 6 Message-ID: <00A336BD.A35992E7@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  U In article <40CFBF62.4060806@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:  >John Vottero wrote: > . >><VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message, >>news:00A3362F.0990A3D5@SendSpamHere.ORG... >>   >>> >>>In article <40CEC627.1090803@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." >>>    r >>>i >><Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:r >>   >> >>>>David J Dachtera wrote:e >>>>
 >>>>       >>>>H >>>>>Well, looks like hp is continuing its VMS-cide efforts even with HPI >>>>>World (the current incarnation of "DECUS"). I looked at the completelJ >>>>>session catalog in its current form (to see if any of my ten sessionsK >>>>>were scheduled - none were found) and was surprised at how few OpenVMS  >>>>>sessions there are. >>>>>2L >>>>>I just took a fast count. I show 319 sessions, of which only 20 mentionK >>>>>VMS (using SEARCH on OpenVMS on text copied from the web page). I maket >>>>>that as 6.2% of the total.  >>>>> # >>>>>Pretty sorry state of affairs.E >>>>> 6 >>>>>It seems VMS is getting the short end once again. >>>>>nJ >>>>>..unless VMS and VMS-related services make up only 6.2% of hp's total >>>>>profits (doubtful)... >>>>>  >>>>>c >>>>> 
 >>>>>        o >>>>>fK >>>>Well, when you have Sue at HP pitching Dell jobs on the Encompass list,r >>>>what does that tell you...
 >>>>       >>>>! >>>Don't take cheap shots at Sue!  >>>iF >>>If David wants a symposium with OpenVMS content, he just missed it.E >>>Abandon the symposium formerly known as DECUS and head off instead-3 >>>to the OpenVMS Bootcamps Sue has been arranging.1 >>>3E >>>DECUS started taking a downward spiral in the proverbial porcelainCE >>>thone a long time ago.  The introduction of the "trade show" seemslE >>>to be the defining moment for the first few dynes being applied toiD >>>the flush mechanism's lever.  Under Compaq, the renaming of DECUSE >>>and symposium helped to increase the effort applied to that lever.pD >>>Incorporating the world of the PeeCee weenies really sent many ofD >>>the traditional DECUS types scrambling to push down that lever as# >>>hard and repeatedly as possible.8 >>>1F >>>HP World is a trade show with a couple of symposium-like character-E >>>istics.  I wouldn't be too concerned with lack of VMS content.  It-D >>>is like being concerned with whether or not the water in the bowlE >>>is blue or clear in conjunction with the other nasty bits that areM >>>floating inside it. >>>b >>>    w >>>4 >>N >>I whole heartedly agree!!  The bootcamp has the look and feel of symposia ofL >>the 80s.  Great technical content, more VMS engineers than you can shake aK >>cat at and just the right mix of trade show: 1 night, 3 hours, free beer!e >>   >>J >And might as well be on the moon for us on the West Coast.  At least the F >old DECUS Symposia, and yes I attended both coasts faithfully in the 6 >80's and early 90's, alternated, ergo, 'both coasts.' >   N So go to Nashua every other year.  Southwest flies to Manchester, the SheratonJ isn't insanely pricey for a conference hotel, and a location such that theK engineers can nip over for a couple of hours and then go back to work means"L that you get an amazing depth of VMS engineering staff there.  It's not muchM more expensive than going to DECUS in Anaheim was for people who lived in the,	 Bay Area.4   -- AlanM -- rO ===============================================================================s0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056gM  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:41:43 +0000 (UTC)g6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)/ Subject: Re: VMS Gets Short Shrift at HP World. 1 Message-ID: <newscache$r15ezh$3rf1$1@news.sil.at>y  \ In article <khLzc.37261$2i5.22475@attbi_s52>, "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net> writes:G >Its being said by some that the "comp" on this newsgroup ought to meanhL >"complain".  I for one would rather have it mean what its intended to.  NowM >before the swords get drawn, please re-read the previous paragraph.  Thanks.   J It was Mark GORHAM who told me that C O V means Complain On VMS and I told1 him that I thought it means Complain On Vendor...T  I Frankly I like the image to complain on VMS because there is nothing else I to complain at, but until then lets complain on the real problems and not H on the tiny glitch we eventually found in VMS (and which we are not used) to because for us VMS is almost perfect).@   -- l Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER0% Network and OpenVMS system specialiste E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jun 2004 06:57:50 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)y/ Subject: Re: VMS Gets Short Shrift at HP World. 3 Message-ID: <NL7k25PEZf9y@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <40CFBFF5.4000803@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:  > John Vottero wrote:s  K >>That Dell wants a reliable computing infrastructure to run their businesse >>on?- >>   >>K > That would be a great marketing victory for VMS, I guess we'll just have   > to wait and see   A    I'm not holding my breath waiting for them to say so out loud.d   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jun 2004 00:44:49 -0700. From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk (Martin Kirby), Subject: Re: What is the X$X0 DECnet object?< Message-ID: <224291b.0406152344.4376566e@posting.google.com>  f David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com> wrote in message news:<041uc0hhpnqh91av6ll7m07nlujk6rmb7o@4ax.com>...  R > The question is: what is the X$X0 object, is it okay to have it, what is it usedA > by? Are there are specific security issues with having an X$X0?   C It is created by an X-11 Display Server that has enabled the DECNETm< protocol and is used for clients connecting using the DECNET
 transport.  C Normally it would be created by starting the DECwindows server. I'm	F not sure what consequences there would be of creating it. I assume theD failed attempts are because of someone trying to set display to this+ node and starting a DECwindows application.    Martin Kirby   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:23:47 -0400	# From: sol gongola <sol@adldata.com>n  Subject: Re: zip file contention+ Message-ID: <40D06603.3685D2D4@adldata.com>e   Chris Sharman wrote: > G > I got some contention on a zip file, caused when a bunch of jobs were]D > all submitted together, and all tried to add to the same zip file. > H > I got a number of rms-f-flk errors, and finished up with 3 versions of0 > my zip file and a number of ZInnnnnn.;1 files. >   > This was with zip version 2.0jF > I've now upgraded to zip022 from djesys, but the release notes don't > mention this problem. 6 > Anyone else know of it, or know whether it's fixed ? > 	 > Thanks,n > Chris   < I don't think it is a problem that needs to be fixed by zip.  ; What kind of behavior to you expect when you are trying to JA zip (or copy) to a file that is already open for write elsewhere?-E You can't simultaneusly manipulate the file that way without getting   garbage.  K You can sequence the jobs so that only one runs at a time out of the queue?cF You can create multiple unique zip files and combine them afterwards? ! You can NOT zip them until later,e   regards4 sol9   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jun 2004 11:19:49 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)s  Subject: Re: zip file contention3 Message-ID: <1pWUMAlxqseh@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Q In article <40D06603.3685D2D4@adldata.com>, sol gongola <sol@adldata.com> writes:t > Chris Sharman wrote: >>  H >> I got some contention on a zip file, caused when a bunch of jobs wereE >> all submitted together, and all tried to add to the same zip file.o >> :I >> I got a number of rms-f-flk errors, and finished up with 3 versions of 1 >> my zip file and a number of ZInnnnnn.;1 files.D  > > I don't think it is a problem that needs to be fixed by zip.  F It would be solved if someone chose to write a ZIP ACP, but the market demand seems small to zero.-  G If it were my problem I would narrow the job count of the queue running  those jobs to 1.  = > What kind of behavior to you expect when you are trying to  C > zip (or copy) to a file that is already open for write elsewhere?FG > You can't simultaneusly manipulate the file that way without getting "
 > garbage.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jun 2004 05:19:23 -0700/ From: kenneth.randell@verizon.net (Ken Randell) Y Subject: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1] VMS731_UPDATE-V0300 is corrupt, will not extract itse]< Message-ID: <79de9693.0406160419.3ca994c@posting.google.com>  u norm.raphael@metso.com wrote in message news:<OF3C897F19.0B7D243D-ON85256EB4.006C85A6-85256EB4.006CBAFD@metso.com>...fH > I have been informed by the CSC that the kit was indeed corrupt on the# > server and has now been replaced.h >   > While 'someone' at the CSC is at this it would be handy if theD ALPHA_V731_MASTER_ECO_LIST.txt file got updated as well.  It's still dated 06/09/04.v   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.333 ************************