1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 20 Jun 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 341       Contents:1 Re: Anyone here using products from this company? 1 Re: Anyone here using products from this company?  Re: Creating a New User Account  Re: delete directory recursive Re: delete directory recursive Re: delete directory recursive Re: delete directory recursive Re: delete directory recursive Re: delete directory recursive Re: delete directory recursive Re: delete directory recursive, Re: Impact of CISCO antivirus on VMS hosts ? PuTTY SSH to OpenVMS Re: PuTTY SSH to OpenVMS RE: PuTTY SSH to OpenVMS RE: PuTTY SSH to OpenVMS8 Re: Secure Web Server Version 2.0 available for download$ Re: Split I/Os to contiguous file???$ Re: Split I/Os to contiguous file???# [OpenVMS] Support for IEEE 802.1x ? ' Re: [OpenVMS] Support for IEEE 802.1x ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:34:09 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk: Subject: Re: Anyone here using products from this company?) Message-ID: <cb4791$jh0$2@news.mdx.ac.uk>   h In article <adecb6f.0406191127.27fc59e9@posting.google.com>, bostic@sleepycat.com (Keith Bostic) writes:s >karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) wrote in message news:<17JUN04.18220463@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>... > >> In a previous article, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote: >>   >> ->http://www.sleepycat.com/ >>  F >> This database was used by the unix version of PMDF. There were lotsG >> of problems and irritations reported to the info-pmdf list about it. F >> Suggest you do a google groups search of the group vmsnet.mail.pmdf >> for the word "sleepycat". > N >This is the first that I've heard of these problem... were they ever reportedK >to Sleepycat Software?  I can't find any reference to them anywhere in our  >Support Request database. > K I'm sure someone at process software (support@process.com) would be able to L provide further details. I'd be suprised if they hadn't raised these issues.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University        	 >Regards,  >--keith > 2 >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=5 >Keith Bostic                    bostic@sleepycat.com 7 >Sleepycat Software Inc.         keithbosticim (ymsgid) 0 >118 Tower Rd.                   +1-781-259-31399 >Lincoln, MA 01773               http://www.sleepycat.com    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:58:06 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk: Subject: Re: Anyone here using products from this company?) Message-ID: <cb48lu$jh0$4@news.mdx.ac.uk>   h In article <adecb6f.0406191650.5adb38cf@posting.google.com>, bostic@sleepycat.com (Keith Bostic) writes:P >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote in message news:<casgi6$2ep$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>...U >> In article <8tOdnf147sC8K0zdRVn-jg@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  > L >> The TRU64 and Solaris versions of PMDF moved over to using sleepycat     I >> with PMDF v6. I'm extremely grateful that they left PMDF on VMS using  K >> RMS indexed files.  Sleepycat may well work well with some applications  - >> but it caused enormous problems with PMDF.  > F >In short, Berkeley DB is an embedded, transactional data store.      ? >If a process embedding DB exits without releasing DB resources = >(for example, drops core) then database environment recovery @ >must be performed, and recovery must be done in a single thread? >of control.  An application suite where processes can come and = >go and randomly exit is not a good match for DB because it's ? >difficult to ensure that recovery is single-threaded; a better @ >solution is a non-transactional data store, or a client/server > >model where the database environment is unaffected by process >exit. > @ >> I believe SUN's SUNONE product has already made such changes. > < >Sun's SunOne product is using Berkeley DB more heavily than >ever:< >        http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1493515,00.aspB >        http://www.sleepycat.com/company/releases/030917sun.shtml >    From Ned Freed :-   ^ http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=01K4ZUZWCZVM00004U%40mauve.mrochek.com   " N I should also add that while we're moving away from Sleepycat databases in the' iMS MTA, the iMS store still uses them.  "     L ie Although Sunone uses Sleepycat in it's message store it has largely movedO away from it in the MTA which is the part of Sunone which has a common heritage 
 with PMDF.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University	 >Regards,  >--keith > 2 >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=5 >Keith Bostic                    bostic@sleepycat.com 7 >Sleepycat Software Inc.         keithbosticim (ymsgid) 0 >118 Tower Rd.                   +1-781-259-31399 >Lincoln, MA 01773               http://www.sleepycat.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:40:06 +0100 ) From: Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk> ( Subject: Re: Creating a New User Account- Message-ID: <cb3pi6$17d9$2@godfrey.mcc.ac.uk>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:   ? > In article <1e101a47.0406161003.494e0b0a@posting.google.com>, ( > aroma@stny.rr.com (Andy Roma) writes:  >  > " >>I'm new to VMS, so here it goes. >  > 
 > Welcome! >  > < >>I've managed to create a new user account under VMS using: >>@SYS$EXAMPLES:ADDUSER.COM  >>= >>I then create the directory for the user (as system user):   >> >>create/directory [new_user]  >>D >>When I login as the new user and try to create a directory or edit# >>files, I get the following error:  >>A >>%DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening SYS$SYSDEVICE:[*]*.*;* as input A >>-RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation  >>F >>I am assuming that when I create the directory (as system), I am not< >>giving the new user permissions. Any idea how to fix this? >  >  > $ HELP SET FILE/OWNER  > $ HELP SET SEC/OWNER > A > In general, I would recommend having a non-system disk for user  > accounts.  >   G Or use CREATE/DIR/OWNER=new_user [new_user]. But I thought ADDUSER.COM  > created the home directory for you, but I would have ot check.   Tony.  --  A Tony Arnold, WEB Support Technical Manager, Manchester Computing, : University of Manchester, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL.F T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039E E-mail: tony.arnold@man.ac.uk, Home: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:37:56 +0100 ) From: Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk> ' Subject: Re: delete directory recursive - Message-ID: <cb3pe5$17d9$1@godfrey.mcc.ac.uk>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: D > In article <capn80$a66$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>, Chris Sharman' > <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> writes:   >  >  >>Charles J. Fisher wrote: >> >>M >>>Is there a way in VMS to accomplish an "rm -r" (UNIX), "deltree" (Win95),  P >>>or "del /s" (WinNT)? I'm a VMS neophyte and I can't find anything to do this. >>J >>If you weren't running with an excess of privilege, you'd need to start 7 >>with $ set file/prot=w:rwed top.dir;,[.top...]*.dir;1 3 >>then do $ del [.top...]*.*;*,;,;,;,;,;,[]top.dir;  >>G >>(add ,; as many times as necessary to cater for the necessary depth).  >  > G > This is an old trick.  I never use it, using a DCL procedure instead. D > However, I'm curious as to a) why it works, b) if it can always be: > expected to work in DCL and c) whether it is documented. >   D It's to do with the way DCL applies default file names when parsing ; them. the above is the equivalent of repeating the command:    	del [.top...]*.*;*   I as many times as there are ; in the line. Each ; causes DCL to apply the  > default file name which is derived from the first in the list.  0 The last entry just deletes the final top entry.  H Problem with the above is that you need to know the depth of your tree. H Personally I use deltree.com which I got off a SIG tapes many years ago.   Regards, Tony.  --  A Tony Arnold, WEB Support Technical Manager, Manchester Computing, : University of Manchester, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL.F T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039E E-mail: tony.arnold@man.ac.uk, Home: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:10:08 -0700  From: Z <z@no.spam> ' Subject: Re: delete directory recursive 0 Message-ID: <10db34ke1ukek20@corp.supernews.com>   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: D > For fast deletion the best tool is probably the public domain DFU. >  > DFU DEL/DIR/TREE   > K > Doing it manually or with DCL scripts is OK when the directories involved O > contain relatively few files but if you have a directory containing thousands 7 > of files it can take forever compared with using DFU.   ? Some of us VMS users can't use freeware on our enterprise class , systems.  The liability is simply too great.  . So no matter how good DFU is, we can't use it.  C Try explaining to a Unix or even a Windows user why VMS hasn't ever A added a /TREE or /RECURSIVE switch to DELETE the next time you're E doing the old DEL [...]*.*;* over and over (or, even worse, directing @ the user while doing remote support) to delete a directory tree.   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jun 2004 08:50:04 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ' Subject: Re: delete directory recursive 3 Message-ID: <3cgvYY4wOMxK@eisner.encompasserve.org>   F In article <10db34ke1ukek20@corp.supernews.com>, Z <z@no.spam> writes:  A > Some of us VMS users can't use freeware on our enterprise class . > systems.  The liability is simply too great.  E > Try explaining to a Unix or even a Windows user why VMS hasn't ever   < But are allowed to use Windows for production work.  Hmmm...  C > added a /TREE or /RECURSIVE switch to DELETE the next time you're G > doing the old DEL [...]*.*;* over and over (or, even worse, directing B > the user while doing remote support) to delete a directory tree.  * Because it really is not a common problem?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 07:42:42 -0700  From: Z <z@no.spam> ' Subject: Re: delete directory recursive 0 Message-ID: <10db8i5gsk89kd1@corp.supernews.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:A >>Some of us VMS users can't use freeware on our enterprise class . >>systems.  The liability is simply too great.E >>Try explaining to a Unix or even a Windows user why VMS hasn't ever > > But are allowed to use Windows for production work.  Hmmm...  @ Yes.  The client machines are Windows, Mac, Unix, whatever.  TheA server side (all VMS) is where the transactions are processed and  where no freeware can be used.  @ No one cares much if a client node goes down because of a virus,# software bug or end user stupidity.   ? Everyone cares if the servers have so much as a hiccup.  And if @ some freeware on the server caused the hiccup, heads would roll.    C >>added a /TREE or /RECURSIVE switch to DELETE the next time you're G >>doing the old DEL [...]*.*;* over and over (or, even worse, directing B >>the user while doing remote support) to delete a directory tree.  , > Because it really is not a common problem?  B Common?  I don't know.  I wind up on the explaining end about once? every 6 mos.  And, without exception, the user will ask why VMS D DELETE can't do recursive deletes.  It makes VMS look like a second-	 rate o/s.    Even DOS had DELTREE.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:13:21 -0700  From: Z <z@no.spam> ' Subject: Re: delete directory recursive 0 Message-ID: <10dbabjm78ufl7c@corp.supernews.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:@ > So if you cannot use a freely available DCL command procedure,C > write your own.  The overhead of using DCL rather than a compiled @ > language is insignificant compared to the overhead of deleting > files.  ; Yes, that's an option.  And, now, looking back, we probably  should have done that.  = But that still leaves us with the unpleasant fact that VMS is 9 missing a feature that many consider standard for an o/s.    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:16:07 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk' Subject: Re: delete directory recursive ) Message-ID: <cb49nn$kj9$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   F In article <10db8i5gsk89kd1@corp.supernews.com>, Z <z@no.spam> writes: >Larry Kilgallen wrote: B >>>Some of us VMS users can't use freeware on our enterprise class/ >>>systems.  The liability is simply too great. F >>>Try explaining to a Unix or even a Windows user why VMS hasn't ever? >> But are allowed to use Windows for production work.  Hmmm...  > A >Yes.  The client machines are Windows, Mac, Unix, whatever.  The B >server side (all VMS) is where the transactions are processed and >where no freeware can be used.  > A >No one cares much if a client node goes down because of a virus, $ >software bug or end user stupidity. > @ >Everyone cares if the servers have so much as a hiccup.  And ifA >some freeware on the server caused the hiccup, heads would roll.  >  > D >>>added a /TREE or /RECURSIVE switch to DELETE the next time you'reH >>>doing the old DEL [...]*.*;* over and over (or, even worse, directingC >>>the user while doing remote support) to delete a directory tree.  > - >> Because it really is not a common problem?  > C >Common?  I don't know.  I wind up on the explaining end about once @ >every 6 mos.  And, without exception, the user will ask why VMSE >DELETE can't do recursive deletes.  It makes VMS look like a second- 
 >rate o/s. >  >Even DOS had DELTREE.  H Even though you can't use "freeware" I assume you can write your own DCL scripts for backups etc H So just write a DCL script like the "freeware" ones and call it DELTREE.  M I can understand not wanting or being allowed  to use a complicated piece of  F freeware but when you can write it yourself in 10 minutes then this is ridiculous.   L (You should be able to do this in even the most restrictive environment - itI may take a while ie raise a request, write the script, pass it though the < change control process etc but you should be able to do it).      
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 10:41:49 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>' Subject: Re: delete directory recursive + Message-ID: <40D5B03D.DA3D6FA9@comcast.net>    Z wrote: >  > Larry Kilgallen wrote:C > >>Some of us VMS users can't use freeware on our enterprise class 0 > >>systems.  The liability is simply too great.G > >>Try explaining to a Unix or even a Windows user why VMS hasn't ever @ > > But are allowed to use Windows for production work.  Hmmm... > B > Yes.  The client machines are Windows, Mac, Unix, whatever.  TheC > server side (all VMS) is where the transactions are processed and   > where no freeware can be used. > B > No one cares much if a client node goes down because of a virus,% > software bug or end user stupidity.  > A > Everyone cares if the servers have so much as a hiccup.  And if B > some freeware on the server caused the hiccup, heads would roll. > E > >>added a /TREE or /RECURSIVE switch to DELETE the next time you're I > >>doing the old DEL [...]*.*;* over and over (or, even worse, directing D > >>the user while doing remote support) to delete a directory tree. > . > > Because it really is not a common problem? > D > Common?  I don't know.  I wind up on the explaining end about onceA > every 6 mos.  And, without exception, the user will ask why VMS % > DELETE can't do recursive deletes.    H Well, technically it can. However, with the security and data protectionC inherent in VMS, but lacking in inferior systems, recursive deletes % become a much more deliberate effort.   H Inferior systems tend to treat both user data and system code as more or: less trivial, though UN*X is less guilty of this than DOS.  ) VMS takes rather a more serious approach.   G If your shop is so serious about "unsupported" software, it may be well A to consider the reason why DELTREE is such an evirnoment could be  considered ill-advised.   F Think about it: if that much damage can be done with a single command,D does such an important system *REALLY* want to have that capability?  F Even the DCL proc. "DELTREE.COM" that I wrote is effectively broken by@ ODS-5. (I think - I have never tested it on higher than ODS-2.x)  " > It makes VMS look like a second- > rate o/s.   G ...or makes inferior systems look unsafe, unsecure or "third-rate" - it   depends upon your point of view.   > Even DOS had DELTREE.   @ ...eventually, not from the start. Not sure, but I think DELTREEC appeared circa. v5.0 or so, perhaps earlier in the non-M$ releases.   B In VMS-land, to do an "error-free" "DELTREE" (assuming appropriateA privilege and protection masks), you must start from the deepeest F directory level and work your way back to the top. This is the essenceF of what "DELTREE.COM" does, but it is not the default behavior of mostA programs (like DELETE.EXE) that use VMS's built-in facilities for C recursively following wildcarded paths (starts from the top levels,  works downward).  @ FWIW: I recall reading somewhere that DFU may become a supportedF utility, and/or that DFU-like functionality may eventually be added toC the various commands for which DFU provides extended functionality.   C As to freeware, beware: many elements that were previously licensed C separately are now "bundled" with VMS. So, technically, even TCP/IP D Services (pka "UCX") could now be considered "freeware", except thatG they are also formally (commercially) supported (rather like Linux, eh?  ;-)).   F Actually, I don't know as I could really call DFU "unsupported" (it isH available through DEC/Q/hp, but you knew that). I once had to correspondE with the author of DFU about functionality that I needed (file lists) H but was broken in V2.7. He responded with V2.7-1 which fixed that brokenB feature and allowed me to have my BACKUP and backup date recording> processes run in parallel, asynchronously. (BTW: I did that onC OpenVMS-VAX V6.2 which is before PIPE - uses documented but obscure + features of both SEARCH and EDT, in batch.)    D.J.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:06:51 -0700  From: Z <z@no.spam> ' Subject: Re: delete directory recursive 0 Message-ID: <10dbdfu941f6jaf@corp.supernews.com>   David J Dachtera wrote: I > If your shop is so serious about "unsupported" software, it may be well C > to consider the reason why DELTREE is such an evirnoment could be  > considered ill-advised.   @ I don't see the connection you're trying to make between DELTREE@ and freeware.  DELTREE is a legitimate thing to do to clean up a> scratch tree.  Can it be misused?  Sure, but so can DELETE and about 100 other VMS commands.     H > Think about it: if that much damage can be done with a single command,F > does such an important system *REALLY* want to have that capability?  = Aren't INITIALIZE, DISMOUNT, DELETE [...] (and many other VMS ' commands) just as dangerous as DELTREE?     I  > Actually, I don't know as I could really call DFU "unsupported" (it is K  > available through DEC/Q/hp, but you knew that). I once had to correspond H  > with the author of DFU about functionality that I needed (file lists)   Let's see...  ? If I called HP Software Support and said "It seems that DFU has A corrupted the file structure on one of my disks" would HP fix the = problem?  Or would HP say that DFU is not supported software?    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:43:41 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk5 Subject: Re: Impact of CISCO antivirus on VMS hosts ? ) Message-ID: <cb47qt$jh0$3@news.mdx.ac.uk>   _ In article <iLidnWDbupkHR0ndRVn-uw@mpowercom.net>, "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> writes: ; >"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message ; >news:11f2e5f96a617ea00c8bf8e6ef3b4503@news.teranews.com... K >> How difficult will it be to write software that will make VMS pretend it  >is H >> running one of those approved anti-virus software so that the routers >would# >> allow VMS to talk to the world ?  >>M >Is this really anything new?  How do you establish a VPN through a Cisco PIX 9 >firewall when the client software runs only on Windows?    B Actually it runs on a lot more than just windows - but not on VMS.   > Cisco is just asM >proprietary as anyone else, so if you choose their hardware then you have to K >live with their limitations.  I would assume Cisco intends to allow admins B >to disable the AV requirement, so it's likely a non-issue anyway. > N My understanding is that the latest version of the CISCO VPN software supportsK VPN over SSL as well as the traditional IPSEC. My understanding is that the O client then just requires a web browser and the ability to run a piece of java. P We haven't upgraded our VPN concentrators yet so I can't be sure but I'd expect + that to work from recent Alpha VMS systems.           
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University    K >For all the frustration in dealing with Microsoft, I have to say putting a E >VMS server behind a MS ISA firewall was about as trouble free as any K >firewall setup I've ever encountered.  We usually redirect incoming telnet J >and FTP to VMS; the beeps from the console VT generated by script kiddiesI >gives us a nice auditory intrusion alarm.  We rarely get multiple tries, H >guess the VMS message is a deterrent.  I know, not supposed to identifyM >system before login, but in this case it seems to be an advantage in letting 6 >them know up front the usual back doors aren't there. >  Jack Peacock  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:58:00 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: PuTTY SSH to OpenVMS 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIGEADDHAA.tom@kednos.com>   F OpenSSH on 7.3 AXP  trying to connect from PuTTY on W2K to this system  < Using PuTTY to telent (port 23) works fine but ssh (port 22)  
 login as: tom  Sent username "tom"  tom@freja's password: 
 Access denied   " Checking the SSH_SERVER.LOG  I see  8 thread 1: New connection at 20-JUN-2004 07:39:50.65 from MY.IP.ADDR.NODE:3412; thread 1: New session established, cipher: 6, server ctx: 0   G So is something not properly set up on the client side, or do I need to  modify the authentication?     --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.701 / Virus Database: 458 - Release Date: 6/7/2004    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 16:46:44 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)! Subject: Re: PuTTY SSH to OpenVMS 1 Message-ID: <newscache$ax8mzh$lqt1$1@news.sil.at>   O In article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIGEADDHAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@ked G >OpenSSH on 7.3 AXP  trying to connect from PuTTY on W2K to this system   F VMS V7.3 ? Is what TCPIP version ? V5.3 ? Didn't have a SSH component.I You added TCPIP_SSH T5.3 ? Did you notice the "T" in the version number ?   = >Using PuTTY to telent (port 23) works fine but ssh (port 22)   M I've no problem using SSH with PuTTY on Win32 to V7.3-2 TCPIP V5.4-15 (ECO 1) H (though I've still an annoying logout delay - a couple of seconds - withD the current version, the previous versions gave error messages about* malformed packets but did then disconnect)  K With previous TCPIP version, I had to fiddle around in the SSHD config file   3         SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$SSH.SSH2]SSHD2_CONFIG.   J to change the auth method (==> add "password" to "AllowedAuthentications")   >login as: tom >Sent username "tom" >tom@freja's password:  F Yup, simple usernames will work. But not such with a dollar sign in itJ "Disconnected; illegal user name (User name contains illegal characters.)"  	 AUTHORIZE  ADD    Parameter      newusername B        Specifies the name of the user record to be included in the?        SYSUAF. The newusername parameter is a string of 1 to 12 D        alphanumeric characters and can contain underscores. AlthoughG        dollar signs are permitted, they are usually reserved for system 
        names.   + I wonder how much will be bitten by this...   1 btw: With TCPware SSH, such usernames do work ;-)   H >So is something not properly set up on the client side, or do I need to >modify the authentication?   G No. It's the server side and yes you need to modify the authentication.    HIH    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 10:01:08 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ! Subject: RE: PuTTY SSH to OpenVMS 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIIEAEDHAA.tom@kednos.com>   D Using  SSH-1.5-OSU_1.5alpha4 and  OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.1 - ECO 3   Are you then usign ssh2?     -----Original Message-----?   From: Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER [mailto:peter@langstoeger.at] %   Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 9:47 AM    To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com #   Subject: Re: PuTTY SSH to OpenVMS     @   In article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIGEADDHAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom   Linden" <tom@kedI   >OpenSSH on 7.3 AXP  trying to connect from PuTTY on W2K to this system   H   VMS V7.3 ? Is what TCPIP version ? V5.3 ? Didn't have a SSH component.K   You added TCPIP_SSH T5.3 ? Did you notice the "T" in the version number ?   ?   >Using PuTTY to telent (port 23) works fine but ssh (port 22)   ?   I've no problem using SSH with PuTTY on Win32 to V7.3-2 TCPIP    V5.4-15 (ECO 1) J   (though I've still an annoying logout delay - a couple of seconds - withF   the current version, the previous versions gave error messages about,   malformed packets but did then disconnect)  A   With previous TCPIP version, I had to fiddle around in the SSHD 
   config file   5           SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$SSH.SSH2]SSHD2_CONFIG.   L   to change the auth method (==> add "password" to "AllowedAuthentications")     >login as: tom   >Sent username "tom"   >tom@freja's password:  H   Yup, simple usernames will work. But not such with a dollar sign in itL   "Disconnected; illegal user name (User name contains illegal characters.)"     AUTHORIZE    ADD 
     Parameter        newusername D          Specifies the name of the user record to be included in theA          SYSUAF. The newusername parameter is a string of 1 to 12 F          alphanumeric characters and can contain underscores. AlthoughI          dollar signs are permitted, they are usually reserved for system           names.   -   I wonder how much will be bitten by this...   3   btw: With TCPware SSH, such usernames do work ;-)   J   >So is something not properly set up on the client side, or do I need to   >modify the authentication?   I   No. It's the server side and yes you need to modify the authentication.      HIH      --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER '   Network and OpenVMS system specialist    E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH   A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist     --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A   Version: 6.0.701 / Virus Database: 458 - Release Date: 6/7/2004    --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.701 / Virus Database: 458 - Release Date: 6/7/2004    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 17:16:28 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)! Subject: RE: PuTTY SSH to OpenVMS 1 Message-ID: <newscache$vaamzh$25u1$1@news.sil.at>   _ In article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIIEAEDHAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: E >Using  SSH-1.5-OSU_1.5alpha4 and  OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.1 - ECO 3   ( Sorry, I've no experience with this one.   >Are you then usign ssh2?   J Yup (@home&@work w/ TCPIP&TCPware). As the SSHD2_CONFIG file also shows...   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:25:36 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.ukA Subject: Re: Secure Web Server Version 2.0 available for download ) Message-ID: <cb46p0$jh0$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   p In article <43ba7d20a577ddee3bf56571b1288b30@news.teranews.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:I >> When transferred to VMS as stream-lf files these LF characters will be H >> intepreted as record separators hence data will be lost from the file >> corrupting it.  > J >Nop. The lf character will be intact inside the file. You should then setK >file/attrib to either a fixed 512 with rat=none or to undefined rfm (which M >should have been the default for binary files from the start - the undefined M >record format is much underused considering it is the perfect fit to receive L >binary blobs of data. (but this may have required a fix to the CRTL so thatN >you could read such files without getting the dreaded biffer isn't big enough >to hold a record message).    Great - real transparent.   
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 10:44:24 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>- Subject: Re: Split I/Os to contiguous file??? + Message-ID: <40D5B0D7.17EB345F@comcast.net>    John Santos wrote: > [snip]J > As the subject and OP say, the file is contiguous, so window turns don'tF > enter into it.  If a file has fewer extents than the /WINDOWS value,F > then there is never any need to window turn.  (HELP says the defaultF > and minimum value for /windows is 7, but even if it were set somehowB > to 1, no window returns are ever required for contiguous files.)   Depends. Check the doc.'s.   D.J.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 13:22:08 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>- Subject: Re: Split I/Os to contiguous file??? 2 Message-ID: <B4idnWRMUpgSWkjdRVn-sw@metrocast.net>  ? "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:40D5B0D7.17EB345F@comcast.net...  > John Santos wrote:
 > > [snip]L > > As the subject and OP say, the file is contiguous, so window turns don'tH > > enter into it.  If a file has fewer extents than the /WINDOWS value,H > > then there is never any need to window turn.  (HELP says the defaultH > > and minimum value for /windows is 7, but even if it were set somehowD > > to 1, no window returns are ever required for contiguous files.) >  > Depends. Check the doc.'s. >  > D.J.D.  L I'd say that in this case the onus is on you to provide a specific referenceL supporting your assertion, since John's statement seems prima facie correct.   - bill   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 07:51:12 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER), Subject: [OpenVMS] Support for IEEE 802.1x ?1 Message-ID: <newscache$t4klzh$tim1$1@news.sil.at>   K Now that Microsoft, Enterasys, CISCO and so on declared port authentication M based on IEEE 802.1x (http://www.ieee802.org/1/pages/802.1x.html - that means K the client has to authenticate to the network switch before the switch then M connects the port to the 'network') as standard/good/the way to go and so on, . I wonder if VMS will ever get support for it ?  < Do you think, that servers never will need to authenticate ?> Do you think, that only add-on/3rd-party/freeware will do it ?J Or do you think, that 802.1x has a long way to go before being important ?   TIA    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:02:45 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk0 Subject: Re: [OpenVMS] Support for IEEE 802.1x ?) Message-ID: <cb48ul$jh0$5@news.mdx.ac.uk>   j In article <newscache$t4klzh$tim1$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:L >Now that Microsoft, Enterasys, CISCO and so on declared port authenticationN >based on IEEE 802.1x (http://www.ieee802.org/1/pages/802.1x.html - that meansL >the client has to authenticate to the network switch before the switch thenN >connects the port to the 'network') as standard/good/the way to go and so on,/ >I wonder if VMS will ever get support for it ?  > = >Do you think, that servers never will need to authenticate ? ? >Do you think, that only add-on/3rd-party/freeware will do it ? K >Or do you think, that 802.1x has a long way to go before being important ?  >   > Add to that do you think that VMS systems are always servers ?J Many companies using VMS will have a few VMS workstations around on their 5 networks a few of which will be on peoples desktops.  . I know I have a VMS workstation on my desktop.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University     >TIA >  >--  >Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER& >Network and OpenVMS system specialist >E-mail  peter@langstoeger.at G >A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.341 ************************