1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 22 Jun 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 344       Contents:+ Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!) & Burnore desperately tries to save face CAPTURE PID OF PARENT SUBMIT? ! Re: CAPTURE PID OF PARENT SUBMIT? ! Re: CAPTURE PID OF PARENT SUBMIT? 0 Re: COPY VMS Save Sets to CD on WINDOWS machine. Re: delete directory recursive Re: delete directory recursive Re: DS20 from Tru64 to VMS Re: DS20 from Tru64 to VMS Re: DS20 from Tru64 to VMS) ECP high values for VMSDSK Total I/O Rate - Re: ECP high values for VMSDSK Total I/O Rate  JF on Americans and their SUVs JF on the American Dream< Looking for ideas: SUBMIT from DCL and get completion status@ Re: Looking for ideas: SUBMIT from DCL and get completion status@ Re: Looking for ideas: SUBMIT from DCL and get completion status@ Re: Looking for ideas: SUBMIT from DCL and get completion status@ Re: Looking for ideas: SUBMIT from DCL and get completion status0 OT: IBM regains bragging rights in Supercomuters Re: PuTTY SSH to OpenVMS$ Re: Split I/Os to contiguous file???$ Re: Split I/Os to contiguous file???$ Re: Split I/Os to contiguous file???& SSL using QIO or c socket parent/child* Re: SSL using QIO or c socket parent/child  TCPIP: SMTP outbound CR-LF bug !& Re: VMS Gets Short Shrift at HP World.& Re: VMS Gets Short Shrift at HP World.) Re: [DECnet-Plus V7.3-2] Where is ECO 1 ? P Re: [OpenVMS, DECnet] How to do DECnet over - secure (ssh, ssl) - IP ? IP ? IP ?? [OpenVMS] BACKUP to two tapes CONCURRENTLY (duplicating data) ? C Re: [OpenVMS] BACKUP to two tapes CONCURRENTLY (duplicating data) ? C Re: [OpenVMS] BACKUP to two tapes CONCURRENTLY (duplicating data) ? C Re: [OpenVMS] BACKUP to two tapes CONCURRENTLY (duplicating data) ? C Re: [OpenVMS] BACKUP to two tapes CONCURRENTLY (duplicating data) ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:25:27 GMT - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 4 Subject: Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!)@ Message-ID: <f201668128f3b7f6e37e7bd558381896@news.teranews.com>   Peter Weaver wrote: G > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/accuweather/accunews.html   H It is a shame that the .wmf file is fed without appropriate mime type toJ indicate to standards compliantr browser what type of conetnt it is. (HP's- servers serve it as applicatin/octet-stream).     1 The contents of the video however are very good.     Now, for the really nice part:   HTTP/1.0 302 OK, CGI redirect Q Location: http://wwwa.accuweather.com/adcbin/public/index.asp?partner=accuweather  MIME-version: 1.0  Server: OSU/3.9c;UCX Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit # Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:30:04 GMT     D Kudos to David Jones for his OSU web server serving the front end of Accuweather's main site.  A (Unfortunatly, the redirect point to a Microsoft IIS web server).    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2004 19:40:31 -0000+ From: Burke N.Hare <bounce@asmodeus.yi.org> / Subject: Burnore desperately tries to save face 7 Message-ID: <D2EQGC1T38159.6493055556@anonymous.poster>   / Gary L. Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote:   E >On 21 Jun 2004 13:20:31 -0000, Burke N.Hare <bounce@asmodeus.yi.org>  ><wrote: > % >>Tried to help his boyfriend Michael E >>Voight with a lame Databasux pedo account and it backfired on them.  > 
 >Gay [SMACK!]    Yes, we know what you are.  C Poor convicted sex offending coward Burnore.  Desperately trying to F save face now that his lame trolling operation with pedo buddy Michael' Voight of Cisco blew up in their faces.   D Poor convicted pedophile Burnore.  Can't save face because convicted% pedophiles have NO face left to save.   ' From NC Convicted Sex Offender Registry       GARY LEE BURNORE     4201 BLAND ROAD APT J    RALEIGH NC 27609     TELEPHONE (919) 420-7691   # Offense and Conviction Information:     Conviction Date: 03-13-19970    NC Statute: 14-202.1 - INDECENT LIBERTY MINOR!    Sentence Imposed: PROBATION 3Y      Court County: SANTA CLARA, CA  / NC sex offender registry number: (SRN 001693S3)   "    Registration Status: Registered%    Possible Violations: None Reported     BURNORE,GARY LEE     Alias Names:     BURNORE,GARY LEE     Photo Date: 08-27-1997     SRN: 001693S3  1    Reported Date: 12-16-1997 Address Verified: NO      Street: 4201 BLAND ROAD APT J2    City: RALEIGH State: NC Zip: 27609 County: WAKE  D    Race: W Sex: M Height: 5'08" Weight: 170 LBS. Hair: BRO Eyes: BLU    Birth Date(s): 10-13-1957    Scars, marks, tattoos: $    State ID #: FBI #: Dept. Corr. #:  5    Contact County: WAKE Registration Date: 08-27-1997 ,    Conviction Date: 03-13-1997 Release Date:"    Court County: - SANTA CLARA, CA  1    Reported Date: 08-27-1997 Address Verified: NO     Street: 4201 BLAND ROAD2    City: RALEIGH State: NC Zip: 27609 County: WAKE   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 23:47:06 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)& Subject: CAPTURE PID OF PARENT SUBMIT?1 Message-ID: <04062123470619@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   4 Batch job ABC.COM submits a batch job called NBC.COM  K Is there a way from with in NBC.COM to identify that ABC.COM was the parent  submit process?            J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:19:00 +0300 4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com>* Subject: Re: CAPTURE PID OF PARENT SUBMIT?& Message-ID: <40D7EB74.24F6D2D7@hp.com>   John Brandon wrote:  > 6 > Batch job ABC.COM submits a batch job called NBC.COM > M > Is there a way from with in NBC.COM to identify that ABC.COM was the parent  > submit process?  >  > J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  > VMS Systems Administrator , > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.comG If you control the source for ABC.COM and NBC.COM, wouldn't the easiest 9 be for ABC.COM to add its' PID as a parameter to NBC.COM? " Sorry if this is too simplistic...   Mike --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 00:34:33 -0500 6 From: "ssj152 \(stuart\)" <not_supplied@nospam_wanted>* Subject: Re: CAPTURE PID OF PARENT SUBMIT?0 Message-ID: <10dfh6vdrt0th74@corp.supernews.com>  5 "John Brandon" <brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote in message + news:04062123470619@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com...  > 6 > Batch job ABC.COM submits a batch job called NBC.COM > F > Is there a way from with in NBC.COM to identify that ABC.COM was the parent > submit process?  >  >  >  >  >  > J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  > VMS Systems Administrator , > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   John,   I Yes. Not having a running system before me, I can't be more specific, but F you can use $GETJPI to get the parent process's PID. DCL has a lexical function equivalent to $GETJPI.    Stuart //ssj152 AT charter DOT net    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:07:19 -0400 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>9 Subject: Re: COPY VMS Save Sets to CD on WINDOWS machine. + Message-ID: <2jomeqF13sf7gU1@uni-berlin.de>    News Reader wrote:4 > On 18 Jun 2004 16:07:59 -0600 (Bob Koehler) wrote:3 >> In article <cavgne$pmn$1@online.de>, News Reader  >> <nomail@noemail.vms> writes:  >>> A >>> $ backup /image /verify dka0: dad10:jne_18_backup.bck /rewind E >>> /label:backup %BACKUP-F-IMGFILSPE, /IMAGE specification must have  >>> only device name >>C >>   IIRC to backup to a disk-based saveset the output disk must be + >>   labeled and mounted as a labeled disk.  > G > Hmm, but wouldn't that mean that I'd have to format the disk in order < > to label it, and then wouldn't that mean re-mounting it as- > non-foreign? Its all jolly confusing to me.  > 3 > Would your conjecture account for this behaviour:  > C > $ backup /image dka0: dad10:jne_18_backup.bck /init /label:backup  > /save ...  > [ much trundling ] > ...  > Request 1, from user SYSTEM = > %BACKUP-I-READYWRITE, mount volume 2 on _DAD10: for writing  > Enter "YES" when ready:  > ... 5 > [ copy the drive to cd, now ready to overwrite it ]  > ...  > $ reply /to:1 "yes"  > yes 8 > 22:37:23.85, request 1 was completed by operator OPA0:< >  Saveset volume:2, saveset block:16606 (32256 byte blocks), > %BACKUP-I-OPREPLY, operator reply is "yes"; > %BACKUP-I-NEXTVOL, volume 2 mounted - operation continues G > %BACKUP-F-OPENOUT, error opening DAD10:[000000]JNE_18_BACKUP.BCK;1 as  > output) > -SYSTEM-W-NOTQUEUED, request not queued   H Was there any free space on DAD10 at this point? After you copy the fileE to CD you should delete it so backup has room to write the next file. F (Again, just guess because I do not have a test system where I can try this right now.)   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:15:25 -0400 ( From: "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail.com>' Subject: Re: delete directory recursive , Message-ID: <40d743cf$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  A > Some of us VMS users can't use freeware on our enterprise class . > systems.  The liability is simply too great. > 0 > So no matter how good DFU is, we can't use it.  7 Yeah, you mentioned that before. Hard to accept though. < I wouldn't want to work for a company with such rigid rules.G So they prefer to have a quit possibly overworked and  underexperienced K system manager/operator dream up a 'best effort' possibly flaky DCL script, L over some freeware that likely got serious thinking cycles, evaluations, and# exposure to mutlipel circumstances.  Hmmm...    > Let's see... > A > If I called HP Software Support and said "It seems that DFU has C > corrupted the file structure on one of my disks" would HP fix the ? > problem?  Or would HP say that DFU is not supported software?   J So what if your home grown scripts takes a bite out of soem valuable filesL ( maybe because if couldn't store a temp file, of a file name conflict or anK accidental default directory / missing logical ). Do you think HP will feel  obliged to help you with that?  G Several observations using DFU as example, but not restricted to DFU...   G 1)  I can understand not being allowed to take a random executable, who E knows what else you pull in. But the stuff we talk about either comes G directly on the VMS distro, or indirectly through an HP cut CD or an HP  managed web-site.   H 2) For the freeware you have the sources. Rebuild from source instead of using the executable   3) Risk management.   H 3A) First level (no brainer?) How can there be anything wrong/risks withJ using say DFU to find badly fragmented files, or my rms_tune_check to peek at indexed files.   J 3B) Second level (a little harder). If you use DFU to change the disk, butL it uses 'natural access'. DEL/TREE would fall under this. If that goes wrongL it could (would?!) have just as easily gone wrong with 'normal' alternativesK (backup/delete in this example). My rms_indexedfile_backup might be in this  space.  B 3C) Third level... if you believe the tool uses something 'smart'/I bruteforce to provide functions which the system does not have. Maybe DFU L defrag (old versions) or DFU directory compress. Now (IMHO) you accepted the" risk that you can lose a directoryK and you should have a backup plan, but you shoudl also know that you can at E worst lose a directory which will inconvenience you, but you will not G actually lose the datafiles. Those would just be harder to get at for a  while.I My 'zap' tool to tweak a first or next bucket might be considered in this H space allthough you would be using that on an already broken file. Maybe* Norm's 'journal snap' is a better example.  J Admittedly it is a tough call to recognize from the outside whether a toolK would use a standard tool or api (and thus supported!) for an VMS function, ? or whether it hacks data structures it is not supposed to touch J (unsupported). That's where having access to the sources might help again.  E Anyway, none of this matters, as my job is not on the line, yours is. H You have to live by the rules. I'm just thinking aloud which arguments IE woudl possibly use to try and change those rules to make the business + potentially more effective and profittable.      Cheers,  Hein.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:12:09 +0300 4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com>' Subject: Re: delete directory recursive & Message-ID: <40D7E9D9.64C33256@hp.com>   Charles J. Fisher wrote: > K > Is there a way in VMS to accomplish an "rm -r" (UNIX), "deltree" (Win95), O > or "del /s" (WinNT)? I'm a VMS neophyte and I can't find anything to do this.  > H > If not, here is an AWK script that works with the VMS version of GAWK: > ( > BEGIN { dir_delete(toupper(ARGV[1])) } > * > function dir_delete(f,          command) > { E >         if(index(f, ".DIR")) f = substr(f, 1, index(f, ".DIR") - 1)  > , >         command = "dir/columns=1 [." f "]"& >         while(command | getline > 0)# >                 if(index($0,";")) D >                         if(index($0,".DIR;")) dir_delete(f "." $0)< >                                 else file_delete(f "." $0) >         close(command)! >         file_delete(f ".DIR;1")  > }  > * > function file_delete(f,         pointer) > { - >         pointer = match(f, /[^.]*\.[^.]*$/)  >         if(pointer) 1 >                 if(pointer == 1) print "del " f M >                         else print "del [." substr(f, 1, pointer - 2) "]" \ 4 >                                 substr(f, pointer) > }  > / > Call it thus, then cut and paste the results:  >  > $ awk -f delrecurse.awk top " > del [.TOP.ONE.JERRY]JERRY2.DIR;1 > del [.TOP.ONE.JERRY]JFILE.;1 > del [.TOP.ONE]JERRY.DIR;1  > del [.TOP.ONE]TONE.;1  > del [.TOP]ONE.DIR;1  > del [.TOP]TFILE.;2 > del [.TOP]TFILE.;1 > del [.TOP.TWO]TTWO.;1  > del [.TOP]TWO.DIR;1  > del TOP.DIR;1  > > > p.s. VMS GAWK: http://vms.process.com/fileserv-software.html > Q >     --------------------------------------------------------------------------- P >    / Charles J. Fisher     | "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land,   /O >   /  cfisher@rhadmin.org   |   it will be in the guise of fighting a        / N >  /   http://rhadmin.org    |   foreign enemy." - James Madison             /M > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------   B Well, if "supported" is more important than "efficient", how about$ $ Backup/delete [.top...]*.*;* NLA0:  A ... You could even have a DelTree.Com of your own that does this.    Mike --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:05:08 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)# Subject: Re: DS20 from Tru64 to VMS 0 Message-ID: <newscache$rz9ozh$s4a$1@news.sil.at>  l In article <1087838308.715293@news.drenet.dnd.ca>, Claude Marinier <claude.marinier@drdc-rddc.gc.ca> writes:E >I inherited a DS20 and I want to use it to replace the old DEC 3000  ; >Model 400. It was running Tru64 and I want to run VMS 7.3.   * Please consider the current version V7.3-2  F >I copied the files to two larger disks (17GB), connected them to the G >DS20, changed a few settings at the console boot prom, and booted VMS.   * What settings ? BOOT_OSFLAGS ? What else ?  C >VMS cannot see any SCSI devices other than the boot disk. I tried  ? >SYSMAN's IO REBUILD and IO AUTOCONFIGURE but it does not help.  >[snip]  >Am I missing something simple?   $ A disk controller supported by VMS ?= Is the boot disk and the other disks on the same controller ?    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:20:42 -0400 7 From: Claude Marinier <claude.marinier@drdc-rddc.gc.ca> # Subject: Re: DS20 from Tru64 to VMS . Message-ID: <40D7350A.5060706@drdc-rddc.gc.ca>  D I will consider VMS 7.3-2 but "We are the government, we are broke."  E I did set BOOT_OSFLAGS to "0,0". I also set the one that used to say  # "UNIX" and the default boot device.   I Could the SCSI controler be unsupported with VMS? All three disks are on  . the same controller (PKA) and I do see DKA200.    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:n > In article <1087838308.715293@news.drenet.dnd.ca>, Claude Marinier <claude.marinier@drdc-rddc.gc.ca> writes: > F >>I inherited a DS20 and I want to use it to replace the old DEC 3000 < >>Model 400. It was running Tru64 and I want to run VMS 7.3. >  > , > Please consider the current version V7.3-2 >  > G >>I copied the files to two larger disks (17GB), connected them to the  H >>DS20, changed a few settings at the console boot prom, and booted VMS. >  > , > What settings ? BOOT_OSFLAGS ? What else ? >  > D >>VMS cannot see any SCSI devices other than the boot disk. I tried @ >>SYSMAN's IO REBUILD and IO AUTOCONFIGURE but it does not help. >>[snip]  >>Am I missing something simple? >  > & > A disk controller supported by VMS ?? > Is the boot disk and the other disks on the same controller ?  >    --  ' Claude Marinier, Information Technology . Defence Research & Development Canada (Ottawa) claude.marinier@drdc-rddc.gc.ca ! http://www.ottawa.drdc-rddc.gc.ca    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:58:04 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)# Subject: Re: DS20 from Tru64 to VMS 0 Message-ID: <newscache$zfcozh$ssa$1@news.sil.at>  h In article <40D7350A.5060706@drdc-rddc.gc.ca>, Claude Marinier <claude.marinier@drdc-rddc.gc.ca> writes:J >Could the SCSI controler be unsupported with VMS? All three disks are on / >the same controller (PKA) and I do see DKA200.   3 What does a SHOW CONFIG tell about the controller ?   8 Could it be that the disks aren't compatible (non-ultra)" with the controller (ultra SCSI) ?   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:48:25 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)2 Subject: ECP high values for VMSDSK Total I/O Rate1 Message-ID: <04062116482506@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   & I am using ECP V5.4B-14 on VMS V7.2-1.  J Almost every night at midnight I am seeing values of 13860058 I/O for bothK Total I/O Rate and User I/O Rate.  Throughout the day the I/O rate is zero.   O There is very little on this disk (82367 blocks used out of 53306031) and other ' than that this drive is not being used.     O At midnight I have a job that performs an ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR on this drive and N others.  I assume that it is the A/D/R that is causing this high value of I/O.    F Why would A/D/R account for such a massive amount of I/O on this disk?         J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:17:47 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> 6 Subject: Re: ECP high values for VMSDSK Total I/O Rate< Message-ID: <f8JBc.7834$Tp5.6207@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com>   John Brandon wrote:   ( > I am using ECP V5.4B-14 on VMS V7.2-1. > L > Almost every night at midnight I am seeing values of 13860058 I/O for bothM > Total I/O Rate and User I/O Rate.  Throughout the day the I/O rate is zero.  > Q > There is very little on this disk (82367 blocks used out of 53306031) and other ) > than that this drive is not being used.  >  > Q > At midnight I have a job that performs an ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR on this drive and P > others.  I assume that it is the A/D/R that is causing this high value of I/O. >  > H > Why would A/D/R account for such a massive amount of I/O on this disk?  8 what.. you mean besides reading every block on the disk?   >  >  >  >  > J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  > VMS Systems Administrator , > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   Michael Austin.    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2004 23:54:22 -0000 From: Poor JF <poor@poor.jf>' Subject: JF on Americans and their SUVs 6 Message-ID: <ZZZGMNF638159.813587963@anonymous.poster>  & JF Mezei <jfmezei@teksavvy.com> wrote:   >leslie wrote:E >> General Motors' CIO states that 60% of their growth will come from > >> underdeveloped countries such as India and Communist China: > I >Which is why car makers are scrambling to invest in China. Strategically N >however, this is a VERY BAD move. Yes, the car maker may increase profit. ButO >the higher demand for cars in China will also result in higher demand for oil. N >And when you have a few billion people wanting more oil, it will put a lot ofL >strain on the oil supply. So americans will have to pay more at the pump to* >drive their beloved single occupant SUVs. > K >And when a billion people start burning oil, global warming will suddently L >become an emergency and then all those countries who refused to acknowledgeL >the problem will have to pay the big bucks to not only start to adopt KyotoO >rules, but implement them at a far greater speed (and thus extreme cost to the O >economy in short term) than those economies who adopted Kyoto and proceeded at ; >slower speed over long period with less impact on economy.  > L >If americans want to continue to drive SUVs to the supermarket, they should1 >not be helping China become a car based society.   F OMG!!!  All those Americans driving their single occupancy SUVs to the  supermarket are out to get JF!!!   Oh the humanity!!!   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2004 00:13:41 -0000 From: Poor JF <poor@poor.jf>! Subject: JF on the American Dream 6 Message-ID: <N55BWL9M38159.841724537@anonymous.poster>  > JF Mezei <jfmezei@teksavvy.com>, riding his little bike around; Montreal, took the time to enviously write about Americans:   M >The american dream of owning a home with white picket fence, 2.5 children, 3 K >SUVs, 4 TVs was possible when you had skills nobody else had and when your 5 >employer had unique products not made anywhere else.   B Poor Canadians, nothing to do but spend their entire lives staring jealously across the border.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:17:45 -0700  From: Z <z@no.spam> E Subject: Looking for ideas: SUBMIT from DCL and get completion status 0 Message-ID: <10df24ntm5rgu07@corp.supernews.com>  > I want to submit N batch jobs (all at once) from a DCL command? procedure (the main program).  From the main program, I need to , know when each job finishes and its $STATUS.  ? $SYNCHRONIZE is unsuitable since I'll lose the $STATUS of job 2 . if I'm waiting for job 1 when job 2 completes.  = I've looked through f$getqui() and f$getjpi() and I don't see ! any way to use either to do this.   < The only solution I've come up with is to write a dispatcher; in C and do $SNDJBCs with completion ASTs.  That's a LOT of  work.    Any better ideas?    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2004 21:19:25 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) I Subject: Re: Looking for ideas: SUBMIT from DCL and get completion status 3 Message-ID: <W4sNsdNY+UHU@eisner.encompasserve.org>   F In article <10df24ntm5rgu07@corp.supernews.com>, Z <z@no.spam> writes:  > > The only solution I've come up with is to write a dispatcher= > in C and do $SNDJBCs with completion ASTs.  That's a LOT of  > work.   D Certainly there are better languages than C for this, but DCL is notF one of them since it is not appropriate for multiple activity threads.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:01:17 +1000   From: HUMBUG <humbug@bit.bucket>I Subject: Re: Looking for ideas: SUBMIT from DCL and get completion status , Message-ID: <t0kkq1-bcq.ln1@deep.bit.bucket>  9 On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:17:45 -0700, Z <z@no.spam> Wrote : @ > I want to submit N batch jobs (all at once) from a DCL commandA > procedure (the main program).  From the main program, I need to . > know when each job finishes and its $STATUS.  ; Perhaps you could create a mailbox at the start of the main = procedure and have each job write its entry number and status . to it at the end of the job. Something like...  B Create your mailbox somehow - there's been a couple of ways posted in fairly recent times.  Open the mailbox for read.- Submit your jobs and store the entry numbers. C Loop around reading the mailbox until you've got the status for all  jobs.   4 The end of each batch job would be something like...  $ $........ including get entry number $ open/write mbx some_mbx 6 $ write mbx "''entry_number' ''the_status_to_be_sent'" $ close mbx  $ exit   > A > $SYNCHRONIZE is unsuitable since I'll lose the $STATUS of job 2 0 > if I'm waiting for job 1 when job 2 completes. > ? > I've looked through f$getqui() and f$getjpi() and I don't see # > any way to use either to do this.   F Maybe you could set the queue, assuming all jobs go to the same queue,F to /retain=all and then loop around with f$getqui looking for retainedC jobs and, getting really cumbersome, get the status from accounting 	 somehow.     > > > The only solution I've come up with is to write a dispatcher= > in C and do $SNDJBCs with completion ASTs.  That's a LOT of  > work.  >  > Any better ideas?   @ I could probably come up with any number of worse ideas but I've limited myself to two...:-)      --     Humbug   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 23:58:20 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)I Subject: Re: Looking for ideas: SUBMIT from DCL and get completion status 1 Message-ID: <04062123582035@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>    z@no.spam WRITES: @ > I want to submit N batch jobs (all at once) from a DCL commandA > procedure (the main program).  From the main program, I need to . > know when each job finishes and its $STATUS. > A > $SYNCHRONIZE is unsuitable since I'll lose the $STATUS of job 2 0 > if I'm waiting for job 1 when job 2 completes. > ? > I've looked through f$getqui() and f$getjpi() and I don't see # > any way to use either to do this.  > > > The only solution I've come up with is to write a dispatcher= > in C and do $SNDJBCs with completion ASTs.  That's a LOT of  > work.  >  > Any better ideas?      A thought...   $!" $ SET QUEUE /RETAIN=ALL BATCHQUEUE $! $ ENTRY_LIST = ""  $ SUBMIT /QUE=BATCHQUEUE A.COM( $ ENTRY_LIST = ENTRY_LIST + $ENTRY + "," $ SUBMIT /QUE=BATCHQUEUE B.COM( $ ENTRY_LIST = ENTRY_LIST + $ENTRY + "," $ SUBMIT /QUE=BATCHQUEUE C.COM( $ ENTRY_LIST = ENTRY_LIST + $ENTRY + "," $ ...  $!H $ ENTRY_LIST = (ENTRY_LIST + "*") - ",*" - "*"    !get rid of trailing , $!  F Then loop through ENTRY_LIST obtaining each $ENTRY, SYNCHRONIZE, checkB the status code - not sure how to do that - then delete the entry.      J Another option is to use the LGI_CALLOUTS - you would make your own LOGOUTI process that could capture the status of the application when the process L terminates.  Do a search for this in openvms.org or search and drill through the HP docs.  M I use LGI_CALLOUTS to capture process information at the end of the job along K with the status code and update to a file.  Combined with a front end and I - have a nice little batch job tracking system.              J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 04:52:14 GMT - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> I Subject: Re: Looking for ideas: SUBMIT from DCL and get completion status @ Message-ID: <309e93749ff0738263db84807df9abc7@news.teranews.com>   Z wrote: > @ > I want to submit N batch jobs (all at once) from a DCL commandA > procedure (the main program).  From the main program, I need to . > know when each job finishes and its $STATUS.  6 How many jobs are we talking about ? 10 ? 100 ? 1000 ?  # Do you have control over the jobs ?   J Your "control" program could create a mailbox, and then each submitted jobM could write its status to the mailbox before it terminates. (you'd lose those 9 occasions where the bacth job process is stopped/killed).   G Another option would be for the control program to have a decnet object J created, and each submitted job opens a link to that decnet object for theC duration of its existance. Status can be written to the link before L terminating. This way, the control program would be able to detect a processF which termknated the link without writing status (stop/cancelled job).   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:08:47 GMT - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 9 Subject: OT: IBM regains bragging rights in Supercomuters @ Message-ID: <871f644fe6bb0c935c2fed338fcc59a5@news.teranews.com>  _ > http://news.com.com/IBM+regains+supercomputer+bragging+rights/2100-7337_3-5239777.html?tag=nl   N IBM places 224 of its computers in the top 500. The combined HP/Digital lowers. its formerly predominent position down to 160.  K IA64 does place one entry as #2 position with an array of 4096 IA64s.  (1.2 K megawatts just for the CPUS :-) (One reason is that the apple supercomputer C wasn't evaluated because they are in process of hardware upgrades).      Power seems to be doing well.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:00:10 -0600 . From: "Steve" <schasj@xxremovexx.cableone.net>! Subject: Re: PuTTY SSH to OpenVMS 0 Message-ID: <10df4laqv1dkm5f@corp.supernews.com>   Tom,  ! I'm using the Early Adopter's Kit E (http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ssh/ssh_download.html) on F OpenVMS Alpha Version V7.3-1 with PuTTY on WinXP, SSH2. I had the sameC symptoms you are seeing and found the answer in the SSH for OpenVMS 3 Restrictions document on the page referenced above.   H I changed the TCPIP$SSH_DEVICE:[TCPIP$SSH.SSH2]SSHD2.CONFIG file per theK first bullet under "1.1 General SSH Restrictions" and it started working as J expected, but only after lunch :-) I suspect that even thought I restartedE the service there were lingering processes that timed out while I was G feeding my face. It didn't occur to me to look for, and terminate, them % until after the problem was resolved.    HTH   . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message3 news:NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIIEAEDHAA.tom@kednos.com... F > Using  SSH-1.5-OSU_1.5alpha4 and  OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.1 - ECO 3 >  > Are you then usign ssh2? >  >   -----Original Message-----A >   From: Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER [mailto:peter@langstoeger.at] ' >   Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 9:47 AM  >   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com % >   Subject: Re: PuTTY SSH to OpenVMS  >  > B >   In article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIGEADDHAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom >   Linden" <tom@kedK >   >OpenSSH on 7.3 AXP  trying to connect from PuTTY on W2K to this system  > J >   VMS V7.3 ? Is what TCPIP version ? V5.3 ? Didn't have a SSH component.K >   You added TCPIP_SSH T5.3 ? Did you notice the "T" in the version number  ?  > A >   >Using PuTTY to telent (port 23) works fine but ssh (port 22)  > A >   I've no problem using SSH with PuTTY on Win32 to V7.3-2 TCPIP  >   V5.4-15 (ECO 1) L >   (though I've still an annoying logout delay - a couple of seconds - withH >   the current version, the previous versions gave error messages about. >   malformed packets but did then disconnect) > C >   With previous TCPIP version, I had to fiddle around in the SSHD  >   config filet > 7 >           SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$SSH.SSH2]SSHD2_CONFIG.p >t4 >   to change the auth method (==> add "password" to "AllowedAuthentications")  >M >   >login as: tom >   >Sent username "tom" >   >tom@freja's password: >DJ >   Yup, simple usernames will work. But not such with a dollar sign in it@ >   "Disconnected; illegal user name (User name contains illegal
 characters.)"V > 
 >   AUTHORIZE  >   ADDK >     Parameter  >       newusernameoF >          Specifies the name of the user record to be included in theC >          SYSUAF. The newusername parameter is a string of 1 to 12tH >          alphanumeric characters and can contain underscores. AlthoughK >          dollar signs are permitted, they are usually reserved for system  >          names.D >a/ >   I wonder how much will be bitten by this...S >I5 >   btw: With TCPware SSH, such usernames do work ;-)r >iL >   >So is something not properly set up on the client side, or do I need to >   >modify the authentication?o >gK >   No. It's the server side and yes you need to modify the authentication.  >e >   HIH  >  >   -- >   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ) >   Network and OpenVMS system specialiste  >   E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atJ >   A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist >  >   ---V* >   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.> >   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).C >   Version: 6.0.701 / Virus Database: 458 - Release Date: 6/7/2004R >T > ---l( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A > Version: 6.0.701 / Virus Database: 458 - Release Date: 6/7/2004  >K   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2004 12:57:24 -0600 From: gleason@encompasserve.org-- Subject: Re: Split I/Os to contiguous file???13 Message-ID: <A5Fui+qw0Fu6@eisner.encompasserve.org>y  c In article <CPJwD4mW0Yds@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:1f > In article <bdc65a53.0406210326.1de2666c@posting.google.com>, gspamtackett@yahoo.com (Galen) writes: > H >> The UCB$L_MAXBCNT for this and the other SCSI disks that I checked is? >> indeed 20000 hex which corresponds to a limit of 256 blocks.e > H >> Now the problem is to determine whether the split I/Os are really the+ >> big limiting factor on write throughput.o > D > Try cutting the UCB$L_MAXBCNT value in half and seeing if there is > an effect. > 6 > CMKRNL is your friend (at least on test systems :-).  >   Heck, I was thinking he oughtta double the value, and see if> it's just pro forma, or if it is a real limitation...on a test system, of course.  F   CMKRNL usage is always good for something - even when it goes wrong,= you get excellent practice material for reading a crash dump.o   Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR Control-G Consultants- lgleason@houston.rr.com    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2004 13:12:59 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)f- Subject: Re: Split I/Os to contiguous file???n3 Message-ID: <lfi9ilBcHVdw@eisner.encompasserve.org>.  U In article <A5Fui+qw0Fu6@eisner.encompasserve.org>, gleason@encompasserve.org writes:<e > In article <CPJwD4mW0Yds@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:bg >> In article <bdc65a53.0406210326.1de2666c@posting.google.com>, gspamtackett@yahoo.com (Galen) writes:r >> nI >>> The UCB$L_MAXBCNT for this and the other SCSI disks that I checked isn@ >>> indeed 20000 hex which corresponds to a limit of 256 blocks. >> oI >>> Now the problem is to determine whether the split I/Os are really thel, >>> big limiting factor on write throughput. >>  E >> Try cutting the UCB$L_MAXBCNT value in half and seeing if there isJ
 >> an effect.  >>  7 >> CMKRNL is your friend (at least on test systems :-).I > @ >   Heck, I was thinking he oughtta double the value, and see if@ > it's just pro forma, or if it is a real limitation...on a test > system, of course.  E But his root goal is to affect performance, not the academic exerciset$ of learning if this is a real limit.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:42:27 GMTO1 From: "konabear" <konabearg-newsgroups@yahoo.com>0- Subject: Re: Split I/Os to contiguous file???VA Message-ID: <DSGBc.27005$eH1.12600927@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>a  
 $ ANAL/SYS SDA> READ SYSDEF' SDA> SHOW DEV <disk_name> !Grab the UCB  SDA> SET OUTPUT x.xe SDA> FORMAT <ucb_address>0 SDA> SET OUTPUT TT:a= SDA> SPAWN SEAR x.x UCB$L_MAXBCNT  !It's in HEX and in bytes.a  1 "Galen" <gspamtackett@yahoo.com> wrote in messagen7 news:bdc65a53.0406210830.1f7b2c0b@posting.google.com...- > Larry, > H > My memory of internals has over 6 years of rust on it, and I no longer
 > have anyG > reference material to consult. As a result I don't know how to get to-F > the UCB. I'm also pretty rusty on synchronization but for testing on6 > this dedicated system that probably wouldn't matter. >I< > If anyone can point me to a piece of code or web-available? > documentation out there that I could look at I could probablyyF > accomplish this. I'll browse around some of the freeware sources andD > see what I can turn up, but any help you can offer would be win my > lasting gratitude. >. > Galenl >i > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >-A >   In article <bdc65a53.0406210326.1de2666c@posting.google.com>,t* >   gspamtackett@yahoo.com (Galen) writes: >R@ >   > The UCB$L_MAXBCNT for this and the other SCSI disks that I> >   > checked is indeed 20000 hex which corresponds to a limit >   > of 256 blocks. >M@ >   > Now the problem is to determine whether the split I/Os are9 >   > really the big limiting factor on write throughput.* >*F >   Try cutting the UCB$L_MAXBCNT value in half and seeing if there is >   an effect. >n8 >   CMKRNL is your friend (at least on test systems :-).   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 00:30:22 GMTf6 From: Jeffrey Coffield <jeffrey@digitalsynergyinc.com>/ Subject: SSL using QIO or c socket parent/child-> Message-ID: <y4LBc.76089$3t4.24576@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>  A Does anyone have an example of using OpenSSL with the QIO system oH services? SSL wants a socket descriptor that would have come from the c H socket() routine. I have the examples working but the program I want to H add SSL to uses the QIO interface to implement a parent listener with a 7 separate child process to handle the actual connection.d  A Otherwise, an example of a parent process that uses the c socket tF routines to listen and then a separate child process that accepts the ( connection would be greatly appreciated.   TIA 
 Jeff Coffield3I (I only accept e-mail from approved sources so please reply to this list)R   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:49:46 +0500w& From: Valentin Likoum <me@privacy.net>3 Subject: Re: SSL using QIO or c socket parent/child0+ Message-ID: <2jpoirF14aos8U1@uni-berlin.de>m   Jeffrey Coffield wrote:CC > Does anyone have an example of using OpenSSL with the QIO system MJ > services? SSL wants a socket descriptor that would have come from the c J > socket() routine. I have the examples working but the program I want to J > add SSL to uses the QIO interface to implement a parent listener with a 9 > separate child process to handle the actual connection.r > C > Otherwise, an example of a parent process that uses the c socket tH > routines to listen and then a separate child process that accepts the * > connection would be greatly appreciated.  =    I asked the close question a couple of months ago and was C( advised to take a look at WASD sources. ; http://wasd.vsm.com.au/ht_root/src/httpd/sesolanet.c - for e example.     -- u
 Best regards, 
   Valentin)   valentin.likoum at ncc dot volga dot ru@   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 00:52:46 GMTa- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>c) Subject: TCPIP: SMTP outbound CR-LF bug !F@ Message-ID: <70e1addba28dda2034d9cf7772d2622d@news.teranews.com>   VAX VMS 7.2c TCPIP Services 5.3 ECO 3   source file: Stream-LF, RAT=CR  < mail source_file.txt "smtp%chef@chocolate.com" /subject=test  C Line ends in the data sent to the destination SMTP server will be 3d characters: CR CR LFD (but for the header abover the text, it will be the standard CR LF).  F For normal variable length files, the line terminators are ok (CR LF).   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:53:43 -0400 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>/ Subject: Re: VMS Gets Short Shrift at HP World. + Message-ID: <2joll9F1459brU1@uni-berlin.de>    David J Dachtera wrote:o >...H > Now, balance that against the cost of acquiring the accreditation* and > compute the ROI. >tE > *: ...unless you can ace the test drawing from life/work experiencey > (possible, but not likely)., > ...o  = David, you (and anyone else with more than a few years of VMSoH experience) will have no problems with the CSA or CSE tests. At the timeD I wrote the tests I had no UCX or DECNet Phase V experience, but theH network part of the test was no problem. Even though there were a lot ofH UCX and Phase V questions there were enough generic questions and enoughF questions that I could take guesses at base on my TCPWare and Phase IV
 knowledge.   -- - Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.c Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXA www.weaverconsulting.cac   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 23:56:46 GMT06 From: "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net>/ Subject: Re: VMS Gets Short Shrift at HP World.d; Message-ID: <2BKBc.7217$X13.919@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>u  I David, I believe most of the regulars here would have no problem with the F certification exams.  I took the ASE exams (OpenVMS/Alpha hardware) toJ comply with Compaq's re-sellers standards.  After making time to look overH the self study exams over a few evenings, I walked in and passed the VMSJ exam.  The Alpha hardware exam I took cold.  Talking with some of the examF writers at HP, the goal is that anyone with the experience behind themF should be able to pass these certifcations.  One of them claims he can8 predict your score within 5 points based on 5 questions.  K The deep discounts for Encompass/HPWorld/CETS have mad the difference in myu" attending over the last few years.   --       Andy Bustamante  Alpha/OpenVMS ASE  Remove the ASCII 95s for e-mailf    ? "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in messagea% news:40D3B87F.4E319168@comcast.net...l > Keith Parris wrote:i > > A > > David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in messageH' news:<40D0F316.BA7D0FE6@comcast.net>...aJ > > > I feel that pain, also, and I'm in Chicago! Now, there's a doings in< > > > Chicago, and I can't afford it! ...without presenting. > >tH > > Maybe, since you're in Chicago, you could raise the funds by renting! > > rooms to other attendees. :-)o > >iC > > There are very-significant discounts available for HP Certifiedr > > Professionals:! > >   Certification Level   Price   > >   Master ASE (MASE)     $395  > >   ASE, CSE              $595  > >   AIS, CSA              $595  > >   APC, ASC              $795  > >   APP, ASP, APS         $795 > >lH > > Becoming a CSA on OpenVMS takes one exam ($100 at ProMetrics) -- seeH > > http://www.hp.com/certification/region/americas/csa/bcs/openvms.htmlD > > That brings the HP World price down from $1,790 (with early-bird > > discount) to only $595.y >nH > Now, balance that against the cost of acquiring the accreditation* and > compute the ROI. >gE > *: ...unless you can ace the test drawing from life/work experiencee > (possible, but not likely).e > J > Sometimes I think these folks out east just don't grok the working class > or our lot.... >o > D.J.D. >N   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:00:32 +0000 (UTC)v6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)2 Subject: Re: [DECnet-Plus V7.3-2] Where is ECO 1 ?0 Message-ID: <newscache$3s9ozh$0w9$1@news.sil.at>  e In article <a98cd882.0406210228.188d6383@posting.google.com>, Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) writes:h6 >AFAIK there still is no ECO 1 for DECnet-Plus V7.3-2.   Yup, that's the problem.F And this is suprising since the proxy problem is neither new nor small= but after 8 months there is still no official ECO to fix it ?l  F >There is, however, an engineering fix for the proxy problem. I got it% >through via our HP support contract.e  + And a VMS hobbyist (like me) will do what ?T (Ranting and begging ?)    -- s Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 00:26:54 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>Y Subject: Re: [OpenVMS, DECnet] How to do DECnet over - secure (ssh, ssl) - IP ? IP ? IP ?02 Message-ID: <cb7nbk$g5d$1@news4.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote: > Dirk Munk wrote: > D >> The problem with stuff like SSH is that there is no real concept C >> behind it. It is the Unix style of solving problems. You have a ,E >> problem, so you design a small tool for just that little problem. aJ >> Another small problem ? Another small tool. Someone once wanted to use F >> encryption for telnet and file transfer, so we got SSH. Instead of J >> thinking about a way to encrypt *all* IP traffic, we got SSH, Stunnel, B >> and other tools that more or less gave us small sollutions for F >> encrypted traffic. That wasn't sufficient, and then they even went J >> futher and designed a way to tunnel other IP traffic over SSH. It is a I >> kind of chewinggum, sticky tape and paperclip way of software design. lG >> And before I forget, there is also OpenSSH which is similar to SSH, (' >> but just a bit different. Nice......e >>G >> Now there is a new concept called IPsec, and if I'm not mistaken it  J >> will offer encyption for any IP port. There is a concept behind it, is I >> most likely not easy to implement, and so it will take a long time to ]H >> get accepted. I assume it will be possible to encrypt DECnet over IP H >> with IPsec, but alas we have to wait just a little bit longer before $ >> we can use secure DECnet over IP. >  > K > What planet are you from?  IPsec has been around for a long time and has OB > been the basis for point to point as well as network to network I > tunneling!  Since, with IPsec, you can encrypt all traffic between two  H > ends points (hosts and/or subnets), any traffic (even DECnet over IP) G > will be encrypted.  VPN tunneling (using IPsec) has been around much -J > longer than you are eluding too, so perhaps you should do a little more H > research than just ranting and raving about Un*x command/tool style... >  >  > Barry   P Well, on the last roadmap I saw where IPsec would be implemented on VMS, it was M still somewhere far in the future. I remember seeing some rather complicated  O looking windows, and I was told implementing this was not at all easy. I don't lO think it is based on setting up a static VPN tunnel. Instead it appeared to me tO as a much more complicated piece of software for ad hoc connections (like SSH) -Q and with lots of security settings. So maybe it is the next phase of IPsec, just h( as there are many IP tools based on SSL.  Q My ranting about Unix command/tool style is based on working with the stuff, and 9N all the horrors I experienced when I trying to get it to work. Have you tried Q SSH on VMS, or did you try getting a VMS or Unix SSH stack to work with OpenSSH? GN Good luck, it took me weeks trying to find a way how to automatically do file O transfers between a Solaris box and a VMS system. SFTP for instance is not FTP -J through a SSL tunnel as one might think, but a totally different piece of N software. If you want to use real FTP, you have to set up a SSH tunnel and do M all kind of difficult settings. Can you explain to me why this is necessary? 4+ That is what I meant with 'no concept' etc.5   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:54:50 +0000 (UTC):6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)H Subject: [OpenVMS] BACKUP to two tapes CONCURRENTLY (duplicating data) ?0 Message-ID: <newscache$kacozh$ssa$1@news.sil.at>  I Is there a chance that at some in the (hopefully near) future, VMS BACKUPDK is able to save data on two (identical) tapedevices IN PARALLEL (with maybet% an positional qualifier /DUPLICATE) ?   ) eg.	$ BACKUP disk: tape1:,tape2/DUPLICATE   G Consider a dual (or tripple) site cluster. A backup solution would thendF also be duplicated (just for the case) and backup would be done twice.  B Currently one must use two jobs, done at different times, (runningC on different nodes of the cluster) staggered over all of the disks.   D With this suggested improvement, the disk I/O is only done once, theC backup time shorter (if you have enough tape drives for running the-H backup jobs in parallel), the data differences on the tapes not existentG but maybe the problem is to keep the tape drives streaming in parallel.u    H Consider also, that backup solutions like MDMS/SLS (I don't know ABS) do) internally use BACKUP and could win, too.e   Silly idea ?   -- O Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialista E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2004 15:40:43 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)5L Subject: Re: [OpenVMS] BACKUP to two tapes CONCURRENTLY (duplicating data) ?3 Message-ID: <RADlSvd$xYNW@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  i In article <newscache$kacozh$ssa$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:nK > Is there a chance that at some in the (hopefully near) future, VMS BACKUPdM > is able to save data on two (identical) tapedevices IN PARALLEL (with maybes' > an positional qualifier /DUPLICATE) ?  > + > eg.	$ BACKUP disk: tape1:,tape2/DUPLICATE  > I > Consider a dual (or tripple) site cluster. A backup solution would thenNH > also be duplicated (just for the case) and backup would be done twice. > D > Currently one must use two jobs, done at different times, (runningE > on different nodes of the cluster) staggered over all of the disks.  > F > With this suggested improvement, the disk I/O is only done once, the  C Presumably a disaster-tolerant cluster would have shadow set spreadwC among the sites, so separate disk IO at each site would seem better  to me.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2004 15:42:44 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) L Subject: Re: [OpenVMS] BACKUP to two tapes CONCURRENTLY (duplicating data) ?3 Message-ID: <xlMSgL2vKwG9@eisner.encompasserve.org>@  i In article <newscache$kacozh$ssa$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:m  J > Consider also, that backup solutions like MDMS/SLS (I don't know ABS) do+ > internally use BACKUP and could win, too.s  F I thought TapeSys already provided this capability.  Check discussions+ in this newsgroup within the past 5 months.p  ? Anyone who can afford a disaster tolerant cluster can certainlyN? afford a TapeSys license, and buying one supports a third party- company that supports VMS.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:07:55 +0000 (UTC))6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)L Subject: Re: [OpenVMS] BACKUP to two tapes CONCURRENTLY (duplicating data) ?0 Message-ID: <newscache$eofozh$7nb$1@news.sil.at>  c In article <RADlSvd$xYNW@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: j >In article <newscache$kacozh$ssa$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:L >> Is there a chance that at some in the (hopefully near) future, VMS BACKUPN >> is able to save data on two (identical) tapedevices IN PARALLEL (with maybe( >> an positional qualifier /DUPLICATE) ? >> h, >> eg.	$ BACKUP disk: tape1:,tape2/DUPLICATE >> IJ >> Consider a dual (or tripple) site cluster. A backup solution would thenI >> also be duplicated (just for the case) and backup would be done twice.- >>  E >> Currently one must use two jobs, done at different times, (runningsF >> on different nodes of the cluster) staggered over all of the disks. >> sG >> With this suggested improvement, the disk I/O is only done once, thew >eD >Presumably a disaster-tolerant cluster would have shadow set spreadD >among the sites, so separate disk IO at each site would seem better >to me.d  E So, you think that running 2 backup jobs in parallel at the same timesE from the same (shadow set) disk is better - if you finally managed it ? to get the disk IO locally - than only 1 backup job ? Mhhhhmmmmh' It surely is for the intrasite links...I   -- I Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERe% Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:37:06 -0500 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>L Subject: Re: [OpenVMS] BACKUP to two tapes CONCURRENTLY (duplicating data) ?/ Message-ID: <00A33B36.73F7CAD2.7@tachysoft.com>-  7 >From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)@ >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsI >Subject: [OpenVMS] BACKUP to two tapes CONCURRENTLY (duplicating data) ?e, >Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:54:50 +0000 (UTC)0 >Organization: OpenVMS Hobbyist, Vienna, AUSTRIA    J >Is there a chance that at some in the (hopefully near) future, VMS BACKUPL >is able to save data on two (identical) tapedevices IN PARALLEL (with maybe& >an positional qualifier /DUPLICATE) ? > * >eg.	$ BACKUP disk: tape1:,tape2/DUPLICATE >eH >Consider a dual (or tripple) site cluster. A backup solution would thenG >also be duplicated (just for the case) and backup would be done twice.e >lC >Currently one must use two jobs, done at different times, (runninghD >on different nodes of the cluster) staggered over all of the disks. >.E >With this suggested improvement, the disk I/O is only done once, the D >backup time shorter (if you have enough tape drives for running theI >backup jobs in parallel), the data differences on the tapes not existent H >but maybe the problem is to keep the tape drives streaming in parallel. >t > I >Consider also, that backup solutions like MDMS/SLS (I don't know ABS) dot* >internally use BACKUP and could win, too. >l
 >Silly idea ?  >s   I hope not.  :-)    J Because tapesys has had this capability since the early nineties at least.  O If you set "COPIES == n" in your .sbk file (definition of a backup), where n isnJ greater than 1, tapesys will automatically allocate and load multiple tapeF drives and will write the saveset to all of them simultaneously.  ThisM functionality requires a separate product which must be installed separately,aI but the license is included with tapesys and the product is on the cdrom.i  N As Larry said elsewhere, there was a thread about this a couple of months ago,9 where I gave a more detailed description of how it works.f  K It is pretty much exactly what you are asking for, just not built into vms.i   -- nO =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxv: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O ===============================================================================-P Larry(sniffing):"I smell something awful." Moe:"Yeah, well don't brag about it."O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   rO =============================================================================== P Larry(sniffing):"I smell something awful." Moe:"Yeah, well don't brag about it."   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.344 ************************