1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 22 Jun 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 345       Contents:' "The" BEST webserver for OpenVMS is ... ) ANN:  ENCOMPASS NCLUG meeting 22-JUL-2004 ) ANN:  ENCOMPASS NCLUG meeting 22-JUL-2004 ! Re: CAPTURE PID OF PARENT SUBMIT? ! Re: CAPTURE PID OF PARENT SUBMIT? ! Re: CAPTURE PID OF PARENT SUBMIT?  Re: delete directory recursive Re: delete directory recursive Re: DS20 from Tru64 to VMS- Re: ECP high values for VMSDSK Total I/O Rate $ HP among Top Ten for Support Website0 Re: IBM regains bragging rights in Supercomuters@ Re: Is OpenVMS 'Adaptive' according to HP, or just an Albatross?@ Re: Is OpenVMS 'Adaptive' according to HP, or just an Albatross? Re: JF on the American Dream Re: JF on the American Dream Re: JF on the American Dream Re: JF on the American Dream1 Re: Job openings at Dell in Texas - not VMS - ??? 1 Re: Job openings at Dell in Texas - not VMS - ??? @ Re: Looking for ideas: SUBMIT from DCL and get completion status@ Re: Looking for ideas: SUBMIT from DCL and get completion status@ Re: Looking for ideas: SUBMIT from DCL and get completion status@ Re: Looking for ideas: SUBMIT from DCL and get completion status MicroVax II for sale -- cheap!5 OSU scripts failing on CSWS V2.0 with bad system call 9 Re: OSU scripts failing on CSWS V2.0 with bad system call 9 Re: OSU scripts failing on CSWS V2.0 with bad system call 9 Re: OSU scripts failing on CSWS V2.0 with bad system call + Recall: ENCOMPASS NCLUG meeting 22-JUL-2004 / Re: Recall: ENCOMPASS NCLUG meeting 22-JUL-2004 8 Re: Secure Web Server Version 2.0 available for download# slap in the face again... thanks HP ' Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP ' Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP ' Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP ' Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP ' Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP $ Re: Split I/Os to contiguous file??? SSH protocol in VMS 5.5-2  Re: SSH protocol in VMS 5.5-2 $ Re: TCPIP: SMTP outbound CR-LF bug !# Tool used for Mapping a file in VMS ' Re: Tool used for Mapping a file in VMS ' Re: Tool used for Mapping a file in VMS C Re: [OpenVMS] BACKUP to two tapes CONCURRENTLY (duplicating data) ? C Re: [OpenVMS] BACKUP to two tapes CONCURRENTLY (duplicating data) ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2004 07:43:06 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)0 Subject: "The" BEST webserver for OpenVMS is ...= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0406220643.3876ee56@posting.google.com>   2 http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP5624/sp5624pf.pdf  9 http://vms.process.com/ftp/DECUS/SPRING_96/in009-toc.html    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2004 08:40:01 -07002 From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb)2 Subject: ANN:  ENCOMPASS NCLUG meeting 22-JUL-2004= Message-ID: <bf98c417.0406220740.25ee6aae@posting.google.com>   F The North Carolina chapter (NCLUG) of the HP user group ENCOMPASS willC hold its next meeting on July 22, 2004 at 7:00 PM at the HP offices ; located at 15501 Weston Parkway, Suite 150, Cary, NC 27513.     There will be two presentations:  D Carl Ralston of HP will give an overview of the new Itanium-based HPD Integrity server line and discuss the four operating systems that HP: supports on them:  HP-UX, Linux, OpenVMS and Windows 2003.  ; The second presentation will be made by Mark Schell of HP's # StorageWorks division; details TBA.   D Thanks to the generosity of David Turner and Island Computers, thereE will be a drawing for an Alphaserver DS10L system, contingent upon an E attendance of 20 at the meeting.  And before I get bombarded with ten F thousand emails, you must be present to win.  And telepresence doesn't count.)   F Last month's door prize winner was David Edelman of EDS (the prize was a MicroVAX 3100/30).  @ Space is limited.   RSVP via email at the openvms-rocks address.   WWWebb   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2004 08:52:02 -07002 From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb)2 Subject: ANN:  ENCOMPASS NCLUG meeting 22-JUL-2004= Message-ID: <bf98c417.0406220752.700d3a0f@posting.google.com>   F The North Carolina chapter (NCLUG) of the HP user group ENCOMPASS willC hold its next meeting on July 22, 2004 at 7:00 PM at the HP offices ; located at 15501 Weston Parkway, Suite 150, Cary, NC 27513.     There will be two presentations:  D Carl Ralston of HP will give an overview of the new Itanium-based HPD Integrity server line and discuss the four operating systems that HP: supports on them:  HP-UX, Linux, OpenVMS and Windows 2003.  ; The second presentation will be made by Mark Schell of HP's # StorageWorks division; details TBA.   D Thanks to the generosity of David Turner and Island Computers, there2 will be a drawing for an Alphaserver DS10L system.  D Drawing will be contingent upon twenty attendees at the meeting; you; must be present to win. Void where prohibited. Telepresence  specifically excluded.)   5 Please RSVP via email to the address discussed below:   F Send to chip webb who works at eds com; put a dot between the chip and5 the webb and another one between the eds and the com.    WWWebb   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:51:29 +0300 4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com>* Subject: Re: CAPTURE PID OF PARENT SUBMIT?& Message-ID: <40D7F311.1A9F77C4@hp.com>   ssj152 (stuart) wrote: > 7 > "John Brandon" <brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote in message - > news:04062123470619@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com...  > > 8 > > Batch job ABC.COM submits a batch job called NBC.COM > > H > > Is there a way from with in NBC.COM to identify that ABC.COM was the > parent > > submit process?  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > > J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  > > VMS Systems Administrator . > > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com >  > John,  > K > Yes. Not having a running system before me, I can't be more specific, but H > you can use $GETJPI to get the parent process's PID. DCL has a lexical! > function equivalent to $GETJPI.  >  > Stuart > //ssj152 AT charter DOT net   ? IIRC JPI$_MASTER_PID returns the PID of the parent process of a 9 sub-process. A batch job however, runs as a separate job.    Mike --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 05:57:57 GMT - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> * Subject: Re: CAPTURE PID OF PARENT SUBMIT?@ Message-ID: <8797f2760d556eeaf243bd1c3fcef3f7@news.teranews.com>   John Brandon wrote:  > 6 > Batch job ABC.COM submits a batch job called NBC.COM > M > Is there a way from with in NBC.COM to identify that ABC.COM was the parent  > submit process?   M remember that by the time NBC starts to run, ABC.COM may have long ago ended.    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2004 12:43:00 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) * Subject: Re: CAPTURE PID OF PARENT SUBMIT?3 Message-ID: <o+oiFoMWQ5bS@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <04062211194948@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) writes:  + > I am wanting to know this for batch jobs.   O > Is there anyway to change the SUBMIT CLI to parse out that information?  What  > about using LGI?   LOGINOUT does not know either.  E With current generally released versions of VMS, your only hope is to D audit successful accesses to the queue and read the audit file data.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:59:25 +0100 ) From: Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk> ' Subject: Re: delete directory recursive , Message-ID: <cb8lcd$o5k$1@godfrey.mcc.ac.uk>   Alan E. Feldman wrote:` > Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk> wrote in message news:<cb3pe5$17d9$1@godfrey.mcc.ac.uk>... > 1 >>Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  >>E >>>In article <capn80$a66$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>, Chris Sharman ( >>><chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> writes:  >>>  >>>  >>>  >>>>Charles J. Fisher wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>O >>>>>Is there a way in VMS to accomplish an "rm -r" (UNIX), "deltree" (Win95),  R >>>>>or "del /s" (WinNT)? I'm a VMS neophyte and I can't find anything to do this. >>>>L >>>>If you weren't running with an excess of privilege, you'd need to start 9 >>>>with $ set file/prot=w:rwed top.dir;,[.top...]*.dir;1 5 >>>>then do $ del [.top...]*.*;*,;,;,;,;,;,[]top.dir;  >>>>I >>>>(add ,; as many times as necessary to cater for the necessary depth).  >>>  >>> H >>>This is an old trick.  I never use it, using a DCL procedure instead.E >>>However, I'm curious as to a) why it works, b) if it can always be ; >>>expected to work in DCL and c) whether it is documented.  >>>  >>F >>It's to do with the way DCL applies default file names when parsing = >>them. the above is the equivalent of repeating the command:  >> >>	del [.top...]*.*;*  >>K >>as many times as there are ; in the line. Each ; causes DCL to apply the  @ >>default file name which is derived from the first in the list. >  > E > Uh, not quite. The DELETE command accepts only explicitly specified H > versions. IOW, sticky defaults don't apply to the version number fieldE > for the DELETE command. Also, when sticky defaults *do* apply, they H > get their defaults from the previous element in the list, which is not > always the first element.  >  > [...]  >  > JMHO  H Yes, I had not read your previouss description before posting. You are, E of course, quite correct. And it works because there can only be one  & version of a directory file (usually).   Tony.  --  A Tony Arnold, WEB Support Technical Manager, Manchester Computing, : University of Manchester, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL.F T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039E E-mail: tony.arnold@man.ac.uk, Home: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold    ------------------------------   Date: 22 Jun 2004 13:26:54 GMT3 From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@squeeeez.dyndns.org> ' Subject: Re: delete directory recursive / Message-ID: <slrncdgcsu.t9.thierry@MARS.Family>    Hello!  > On 2004-06-18, Alan E. Feldman <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote:@ > Thierry Dussuet <thierry@squeeeez.dyndns.org> wrote in message- > news:<slrncd411e.pf.thierry@MARS.Family>... M >> >    highest version, since directory files are always verion ;1 that will  >>  H >> This is something I've always wondered... how does multinet get this? >>  # >> Directory MULTINET_ROOT:[000000]  >>  R >> SYSCOMMON.DIR;5     SYSCOMMON.DIR;4     SYSCOMMON.DIR;3     SYSCOMMON.DIR;2     >> SYSCOMMON.DIR;1       >>   >> And does this matter? > 8 > What is the result of $ SHOW LOGICAL MULTINET_ROOT ! ?  / MULTINET_ROOT gets expanded to the search list: D $1$DKA100:[MULTINET.MERKUR.], $1$DKA100:[MULTINET.MERKUR.SYSCOMMON.]  E > I suspect someone did something silly and that it has nothing to do 6 > with MULTINET, but I haven't used MULTINET in years.  F There were already something like 3 versions after the installation ofJ multinet, but if I'm the only one to have seen this, I must have broken it already there then.   H > It could matter; there could be many files hidden in versions 2 thru 5C > that take up space. Pick a quiet time on your system and set priv D > BYPASS and run ANAL/DISK and see what comes up. Lost files will be > restored to [SYSLOST]!.   3 Thank you! I did this and everything is ok now. :-)    Thierry    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:44:25 -0400 7 From: Claude Marinier <claude.marinier@drdc-rddc.gc.ca> # Subject: Re: DS20 from Tru64 to VMS 2 Message-ID: <1087922666.730776@news.drenet.dnd.ca>  B I will try booting again soon; at that time, I will note messages B related to SCSI devices. In the mean time, the 'SHOW CONFIG' PROM E command tells me that I have three NCR 53C895 SCSI controllers: PKA,  F PKB, and PKC; and two Adaptec AIC 7895 SCSI controllers: PKD and PKE. @ These last two are on the same board as the Ethernet controller I (DE500-AA). The system also has two IDE controllers: DQA and DQB; the CD  F drive is DQA0. All SCSI devices are on PKA: the internal disk (saving I the copy of Tru64), the two external disks, and the external tape drive.  H I can boot from DKA200 but VMS only sees that one SCSI device. MultiNet % does not see the Ethernet controller.   H I would like to put the external devices on a different SCSI bus. I may @ open the box to see if I can attach the external connector to a > different controller. That would eliminate the possibility of & interference between the SCSI devices.  I I tried to apply the most recent VMS update patch in the hopes of fixing  I the driver problem. It fails with an undefined symbol (something related  F to post processing). I may have to re-install VMS so it discovers the F actual devices; I do not know how VMS goes about the boot process and G device discovery & configuration but expected it to be dynamic. I will  C start asking about purchasing the latest VMS (I think it is 7.3-2).     Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:j > In article <40D7350A.5060706@drdc-rddc.gc.ca>, Claude Marinier <claude.marinier@drdc-rddc.gc.ca> writes: > K >>Could the SCSI controler be unsupported with VMS? All three disks are on  0 >>the same controller (PKA) and I do see DKA200. >  > 5 > What does a SHOW CONFIG tell about the controller ?  > : > Could it be that the disks aren't compatible (non-ultra)$ > with the controller (ultra SCSI) ?   --  ' Claude Marinier, Information Technology . Defence Research & Development Canada (Ottawa) claude.marinier@drdc-rddc.gc.ca ! http://www.ottawa.drdc-rddc.gc.ca    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2004 06:44:05 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) 6 Subject: Re: ECP high values for VMSDSK Total I/O Rate= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0406220544.5d4e58c6@posting.google.com>   u Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message news:<f8JBc.7834$Tp5.6207@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com>...  > John Brandon wrote: J > > Why would A/D/R account for such a massive amount of I/O on this disk? > : > what.. you mean besides reading every block on the disk?  D ANALYZE/DISK with the /READ_CHECK qualifier would do a read-check onF every _allocated_ block. But ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR without that qualiferF would only be looking at file system metadata, not data file contents.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2004 09:08:15 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) - Subject: HP among Top Ten for Support Website = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0406220808.70f9bc83@posting.google.com>   C From the "Inside HP" e-mail newsletter from the Interex user group,  June 22, 2004: ---  HP Wins Online Support Award  F HP.com has been selected as one of the "Ten Best Web Support Sites" by: the Association of Support Professionals, an internationalD organization for customer support managers and professionals. HP wasC given the award specifically for its Business Support Center and IT C Resource Center based on 25 performance criteria: usability, design E and navigation; knowledge base and search implementation; interactive % features, personalization and others.  --- > For more information, see http://www.asponline.com/awards.html  ! The OpenVMS Forums on ITRC are at D http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/familyhome.do?familyId=288   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:20:29 GMT + From: "Daniel Gustafsson" <daniel@mimer.se> 9 Subject: Re: IBM regains bragging rights in Supercomuters 2 Message-ID: <15RBc.3280$dx3.25583@newsb.telia.net>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message: news:871f644fe6bb0c935c2fed338fcc59a5@news.teranews.com... > > ] http://news.com.com/IBM+regains+supercomputer+bragging+rights/2100-7337_3-5239777.html?tag=nl  > I > IBM places 224 of its computers in the top 500. The combined HP/Digital  lowers0 > its formerly predominent position down to 160. > G > IA64 does place one entry as #2 position with an array of 4096 IA64s.  (1.2? > megawatts just for the CPUS :-) (One reason is that the apple 
 supercomputer E > wasn't evaluated because they are in process of hardware upgrades).  >  >  > Power seems to be doing well.   F If there is one company which is doing well on TOP500, that company is Intel.   2001             3 systems 2002             56 systems  November 2003    189 systems June 2004        287 systems  J Power is not doing bad, but POWER/PowerPC had 102 systems in June 2003, 80J systems in November 2003 and 75 systems in June 2004. IBMs major gains areI from x86 (mostly Intel Pentium Xeon based systems). The Blue Gene systems  are interesting though.    -- Daniel Gustafsson  Mimer SQL Development    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2004 08:52:48 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) I Subject: Re: Is OpenVMS 'Adaptive' according to HP, or just an Albatross? = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0406220752.7d4d0e04@posting.google.com>   W "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<jKudnZL2GbSIa03dRVn-ig@igs.net>... L > I wonder how many times OpenVMS is mentioned and discussed extensively and" > favorably at this conference....  D Despite having the name "HP Software Forum", the focus at this forumC is on HP OpenView and the software that interoperates with OpenView D (one example of which is the OpenView Operations Agent for OpenVMS), not software in general.  D OpenVMS has many favorable characteristics that allow one to build aE readily adaptive enterprise today, as many here can attest. (And Dave > Holt did a presentation at the joint ENSA@work/HP-Interex EMEA> conference in Munich last month entitled "OpenVMS delivers the Adaptive Enterprise now.")  C There are significant technical challenges being worked on today in B the AE world to try to make Windows, Linux, etc. easier to manage,E continuously available, secure, and able to readily scale up and down E with changing workload demands. These are very hard problems to solve  for platforms other than VMS.   E Consider software installation: The shared system disk concept in VMS = allows one to avoid having to install an operating system and F applications once for each and every server -- you can simply boot anyC number of servers from a system disk which already has the required E set of applications installed. And one can easily shift a server from F one cluster to another as workload shifts, by simply rebooting it from a different system disk.  ; Also consider data sharing: Because of the crude clustering : capabilities on other platforms, there is only a subset ofF applications which can readily scale up or down by addition or removalE of nodes, and those are ones which deal basically with read-only data C and don't have shared read/write data. (About the only exception to B this is Oracle RAC, and we know where that technology comes from.)E OpenVMS clusters allow full read/write access to data from any number   of servers sharing the workload.    I loved this article from Cnet: , http://news.com.com/2102-1071_3-5070877.html --- ! The futility of utility computing  By Jon Oltsik   F Back in the 1980s, the folks at Digital Equipment had a problem. While? their VAX systems were selling like hotcakes, the systems still 7 couldn't deliver the kind of scale found on mainframes.   D Digital, which had no plans to build big iron, set out to find a wayD to use existing equipment to increase capacity--a search that led to@ the development of the VAX cluster and the concept of horizontal scaling.  E Rather than roll in bigger and bigger boxes, Digital discovered a way C to balance compute loads across multiple machines. What's more, the C systems behaved as a single system image so IT administrators could C manage the cluster as a distinct entity. This masked the underlying ? complexity, lowered cost, and simplified day-to-day activities.   @ This history review provides a good analog for today's computingA utility vision. HP, IBM,  Microsoft and Sun Microsystems all have F major initiatives underway to ease complexity with their own computingF utilities. (It is ironic that these same companies contributed greatlyD toward building this complexity, but that's another story.) The factD is that in spite of good intentions and armies of engineers, none of@ them will achieve anywhere near the success of the venerable VAX cluster. ...    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 17:14:21 GMT + From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) I Subject: Re: Is OpenVMS 'Adaptive' according to HP, or just an Albatross? 4 Message-ID: <NNZBc.21880$4g1.12525@fe2.texas.rr.com>  2 Keith Parris (keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com) wrote: : " : I loved this article from Cnet: . : http://news.com.com/2102-1071_3-5070877.html :   1 One can post comments at the non-printer version:   /    http://news.com.com/2010-1071_3-5070877.html C    The futility of utility computing | Perspectives | CNET News.com      --Jerry Leslie9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:24:47 +0800 : From: "Nik" <spamavoid.deletethis.mnjensen@netvigator.com>% Subject: Re: JF on the American Dream 1 Message-ID: <cb8fr8$cm248@imsp212.netvigator.com>   ) "Poor JF" <poor@poor.jf> wrote in message 0 news:N55BWL9M38159.841724537@anonymous.poster...@ > JF Mezei <jfmezei@teksavvy.com>, riding his little bike around= > Montreal, took the time to enviously write about Americans:  > C > >The american dream of owning a home with white picket fence, 2.5  children, 3 H > >SUVs, 4 TVs was possible when you had skills nobody else had and when your7 > >employer had unique products not made anywhere else.  > D > Poor Canadians, nothing to do but spend their entire lives staring > jealously across the border. >  >   L You better take a look at the present balance of payment records of the US -H they beat all records last quarter. You even have a president who claims8 that this is no problem. Even Regan was not THAT stupid.   Nik    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:45:47 GMT D From: "Gregory Morrow" <gregorymorrowTHEKISSINGBANDIT@earthlink.net>% Subject: Re: JF on the American Dream A Message-ID: <fdTBc.22226$Y3.638@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>    Poor JF wrote:  @ > JF Mezei <jfmezei@teksavvy.com>, riding his little bike around= > Montreal, took the time to enviously write about Americans:  > C > >The american dream of owning a home with white picket fence, 2.5  children, 3 H > >SUVs, 4 TVs was possible when you had skills nobody else had and when your7 > >employer had unique products not made anywhere else.  > D > Poor Canadians, nothing to do but spend their entire lives staring > jealously across the border.     Has JF found a job yet?    --   Best0 Greg "I think I know the answer to that one...."   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:28:02 -0400 - From: "C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> % Subject: Re: JF on the American Dream . Message-ID: <40D833E2.64196847@mindspring.com>  
 Nik wrote:   N > You better take a look at the present balance of payment records of the US -J > they beat all records last quarter. You even have a president who claims: > that this is no problem. Even Regan was not THAT stupid.  : No, the people who are stupid are the one who take a piece< of paper, not backed by anything but faith, and send us real8 goods. Suppose the balance of payments get so far out of: wack that the Federal Reserve can't handle it? What do you; think they will do? You don't suppose they might just crank 7 up the old printing presses do you? I'd say monitor the : printing press industry. When yous see orders for new high: quality presses, hold on! It got sop bad in Germany in the4 20's that they couldn't print the money fast enough.   Ed   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:41:57 -0500 ( From: Olivers <olive@LOSETHIScalpha.com>% Subject: Re: JF on the American Dream 2 Message-ID: <Xns951077C251D8Aolive@216.196.97.132>  + Poor JF extrapolated from data available...   @ > JF Mezei <jfmezei@teksavvy.com>, riding his little bike around= > Montreal, took the time to enviously write about Americans:  > B >>The american dream of owning a home with white picket fence, 2.5F >>children, 3 SUVs, 4 TVs was possible when you had skills nobody elseH >>had and when your employer had unique products not made anywhere else. > D > Poor Canadians, nothing to do but spend their entire lives staring > jealously across the border. >  >   
 He's close...   J I only have two Expeditions and an F150, 2 children, 200 ft of tall cedar I fence in the back, and 3 TVs (but several PCs), my skills are comparably   modest and I employ myself.   I My yougest, a daughter, works for a company recently purchased by a cagy  K investor, at 31 makes a salary nudging 6 figures (not counting the bonus),  L drives a Mercedes and helps sell shit to Canadians unable to figure out how  to do it themselves....    TMO    ------------------------------   Date: 22 Jun 2004 06:14:45 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>: Subject: Re: Job openings at Dell in Texas - not VMS - ???? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-oqkkwG1U0XDN@dave2_os2.home.ours>   D On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:03:05 UTC, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy . <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:   > Dave Weatherall wrote:   <Snip>    & > > Good news for HP all round then... > >  > 9 > Not really, reluctant support of Itanium by other Intel % > OEMS is exactly what HP don't need.  > > > Without dramatic increases in Itanium shipments the platform: > will die and no-one expects those shipments to be driven > by HP one their own.  E Maybe I was too subtle. I was thinking that if Dell is tied to Intel  E and thus not in a position to make AMD 64bit platforms then it gives  B the HP PC-division an advantage...at least until Intel have their  64bit x86 chips in service.   % > Hopefully I don't need to point out 7 > that the death of Itanium will be the trigger for the  > collapse of HP's ESG.   ) No, that was where the irony crept in :-)   F Well that's what I remember thinking when I wrote it. I was in the UK  for a long w/e.    --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:33:57 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> : Subject: Re: Job openings at Dell in Texas - not VMS - ???0 Message-ID: <cb9cg6$bfa$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Dave Weatherall wrote:F > On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:03:05 UTC, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy 0 > <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >  >  >>Dave Weatherall wrote: >  >  > <Snip> >  > % >>>Good news for HP all round then...  >>>  >>9 >>Not really, reluctant support of Itanium by other Intel % >>OEMS is exactly what HP don't need.  >>> >>Without dramatic increases in Itanium shipments the platform: >>will die and no-one expects those shipments to be driven >>by HP one their own. >  > G > Maybe I was too subtle. I was thinking that if Dell is tied to Intel  G > and thus not in a position to make AMD 64bit platforms then it gives  D > the HP PC-division an advantage...at least until Intel have their  > 64bit x86 chips in service.  >  Ahh I see you point.    A But I am not sure how selling more AMD64 systems is going to help 3 HP's long term strategy of making Itanium a sucess.   < The more "commodity" 64bit platforms that are installed that0 arn't Itanium to more pressure Itanium is under.  D It may be a benefit to HP's PSG but it isn't to their ESG so perhaps HP need to make a choice !   regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:34:14 +0100 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>I Subject: Re: Looking for ideas: SUBMIT from DCL and get completion status 4 Message-ID: <cb8ndn$e4h$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>   John Brandon wrote:    > z@no.spam WRITES:  > @ >>I want to submit N batch jobs (all at once) from a DCL commandA >>procedure (the main program).  From the main program, I need to . >>know when each job finishes and its $STATUS. >>A >>$SYNCHRONIZE is unsuitable since I'll lose the $STATUS of job 2 0 >>if I'm waiting for job 1 when job 2 completes. >>? >>I've looked through f$getqui() and f$getjpi() and I don't see # >>any way to use either to do this.  >>> >>The only solution I've come up with is to write a dispatcher= >>in C and do $SNDJBCs with completion ASTs.  That's a LOT of  >>work.  >> >>Any better ideas?   E Simple approach - submit/retain=always, or /retain=error (easier and  / more general purpose than modifying the queue). H Alternatively, spawn subprocesses, each to submit & synchronize one job.1 They can put their results in a file or whatever.   I You can loop round collecting results, and removing retained jobs, until     they're all finished.    Chris    ------------------------------   Date: 22 Jun 2004 07:49:42 GMT< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)I Subject: Re: Looking for ideas: SUBMIT from DCL and get completion status 0 Message-ID: <cb8oam$in2$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  F In article <10df24ntm5rgu07@corp.supernews.com>, Z <z@no.spam> writes:? >I want to submit N batch jobs (all at once) from a DCL command @ >procedure (the main program).  From the main program, I need to- >know when each job finishes and its $STATUS.  > @ >$SYNCHRONIZE is unsuitable since I'll lose the $STATUS of job 2/ >if I'm waiting for job 1 when job 2 completes.  > > >I've looked through f$getqui() and f$getjpi() and I don't see" >any way to use either to do this. > = >The only solution I've come up with is to write a dispatcher < >in C and do $SNDJBCs with completion ASTs.  That's a LOT of >work. >  >Any better ideas?  O Your DCL code could submit the jobs with the /HOLD qualifier. Then you have the L entry number. Add this number as a parameter to the submitted procedure and  release it.   O Next, write a file with all the entry numbers plus any relevant information you  may need for each entry number.   J Put the rest of your main procedure into a separate command file. Now eachG submitted job may call this second procedure with the entry number as a 
 parameter.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2004 07:33:20 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)I Subject: Re: Looking for ideas: SUBMIT from DCL and get completion status = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0406220633.267278a2@posting.google.com>   K Z <z@no.spam> wrote in message news:<10df24ntm5rgu07@corp.supernews.com>... @ > I want to submit N batch jobs (all at once) from a DCL commandA > procedure (the main program).  From the main program, I need to . > know when each job finishes and its $STATUS. > A > $SYNCHRONIZE is unsuitable since I'll lose the $STATUS of job 2 0 > if I'm waiting for job 1 when job 2 completes. > ? > I've looked through f$getqui() and f$getjpi() and I don't see # > any way to use either to do this.  > > > The only solution I've come up with is to write a dispatcher= > in C and do $SNDJBCs with completion ASTs.  That's a LOT of  > work.  >  > Any better ideas?      Here's my 2 cents, or less. :%)   7 THIS IS NOT TESTED. THIS IS JUST TO ILLUSTRATE AN IDEA.     $ SUBMIT JOB1.COM /AFTER="+0:01" $ ENTRY = $ENTRY $ SPAWN WATCH.COM 'ENTRY'  ...repeat N times...  
 $!+ WATCH.COM 
 $ SET NOON $ SYNCHRONIZE/ENTRY='P1' $ JOB_STATUS = $STATUS% $ DEFINE/JOB STATUS_'P1' 'JOB_STATUS' 1 $ DEFINE/JOB COMPLETION_TIME_'P1' "''F$CVTIME()'"   E Of course, this may not work for you depending on what you mean by "I C need to know when each job finishes". Do you need the times as in a F report to be reviewed later or do you need your program to take actionD as soon as a watched job completes? If the latter, perhaps you could add something to WATCH.COM!.   JMHO   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2004 07:36:06 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)I Subject: Re: Looking for ideas: SUBMIT from DCL and get completion statusT< Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0406220636.c3fd4de@posting.google.com>  K Z <z@no.spam> wrote in message news:<10df24ntm5rgu07@corp.supernews.com>...e@ > I want to submit N batch jobs (all at once) from a DCL commandA > procedure (the main program).  From the main program, I need toe. > know when each job finishes and its $STATUS. > A > $SYNCHRONIZE is unsuitable since I'll lose the $STATUS of job 2e0 > if I'm waiting for job 1 when job 2 completes. > ? > I've looked through f$getqui() and f$getjpi() and I don't seee# > any way to use either to do this.  > > > The only solution I've come up with is to write a dispatcher= > in C and do $SNDJBCs with completion ASTs.  That's a LOT ofe > work.  >  > Any better ideas?L    4 Uh, in my previous post, the SPAWN command is wrong!  	 Make thatg   $ SPAWN/NOWAIT @WATCH 'ENTRY'    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2004 05:30:29 -0700+ From: randy.hancock@mnp.com (Randy Hancock)t' Subject: MicroVax II for sale -- cheap!c= Message-ID: <fdc0ddb1.0406220430.4811e72e@posting.google.com>t  E Have a functioning MicroVax II with VT420 terminal and LA50 printer. CE Really hate the thought of just pitching it when it still boots.  $75t> or offer.  Don't want to deal with shipping, I am in Southeast2 Michigan if anyone is interested, please reply....   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2004 03:46:41 -0700< From: leslie.vanbuggenhout@sidmar.be (Leslie Van Buggenhout)> Subject: OSU scripts failing on CSWS V2.0 with bad system call= Message-ID: <638ed686.0406220246.1d6729ef@posting.google.com>H   Hello,  B We have no problem to run OSU scripts under CSWS V1.3 (VMS 7.3-2) 5 With CSWS V2.0 however the same scripts are failing.      3 Following error can be found in the file ERROR_LOG.oR  [Tue Jun 22 11:08:37 2004] [notice] child pid 641 exit signal Bad system call(12)  C I have followed the instructions as described in the documentation.Y1 Loading the module (only with  V2.0) is done with A       "LoadModule osuscript_module     modules/mod_osuscript.exe"-  G Is there someone who has been able to run Osu scripts with CSWS V2.0 ??6   Thanks Leslie   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:37:51 +0300s4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com>B Subject: Re: OSU scripts failing on CSWS V2.0 with bad system call& Message-ID: <40D8524F.51FBE6AD@hp.com>   Leslie Van Buggenhout wrote: >  > Hello, > C > We have no problem to run OSU scripts under CSWS V1.3 (VMS 7.3-2)-6 > With CSWS V2.0 however the same scripts are failing. > 5 > Following error can be found in the file ERROR_LOG.6T >  [Tue Jun 22 11:08:37 2004] [notice] child pid 641 exit signal Bad system call(12) > E > I have followed the instructions as described in the documentation.f3 > Loading the module (only with  V2.0) is done withaC >       "LoadModule osuscript_module     modules/mod_osuscript.exe"  > I > Is there someone who has been able to run Osu scripts with CSWS V2.0 ??  >  > Thanks > Leslie! from bitter experience with V2.0:m  F Have you checked that *all* the files involved have been converted to 1 stream-LF format? that's bitten me once or twice.s= Before running APACHE$CONVERT_STREAMLF.COM check contents of aD APACHE$COMMON:[000000]APACHE$CVT_TYPES.DAT - you can add file types  there. (I had to add e.g. .CSS)e   Mike -- aE ---------------------------------------------------------------------yE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.m? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------i -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----S Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------l   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2004 07:37:11 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)B Subject: Re: OSU scripts failing on CSWS V2.0 with bad system call= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0406220637.3dd2f6b1@posting.google.com>n   leslie.vanbuggenhout@sidmar.be (Leslie Van Buggenhout) wrote in message news:<638ed686.0406220246.1d6729ef@posting.google.com>...  > Hello, > D > We have no problem to run OSU scripts under CSWS V1.3 (VMS 7.3-2) 7 > With CSWS V2.0 however the same scripts are failing. d >  > 5 > Following error can be found in the file ERROR_LOG.DT >  [Tue Jun 22 11:08:37 2004] [notice] child pid 641 exit signal Bad system call(12) > E > I have followed the instructions as described in the documentation.e3 > Loading the module (only with  V2.0) is done withsC >       "LoadModule osuscript_module     modules/mod_osuscript.exe"e > I > Is there someone who has been able to run Osu scripts with CSWS V2.0 ??W >  > Thanks > Leslie  9 they run under Purveyor and that includes all versions ofm alpha/vax vms and TCPware ...a   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:49:18 GMT ) From: "Rick Barry" <richard.barry@hp.com>tB Subject: Re: OSU scripts failing on CSWS V2.0 with bad system call1 Message-ID: <2yYBc.4469$JF.1564@news.cpqcorp.net>    Leslie,a  K This problem has been corrected and a new mod_osuscript module is availableo< through the HP customer support center. Please contact them.  9 We'll be issuing a CSWS 2.0 patch kit in the near future.*   Regards,  
 Rick Barry" Secure Web Sevrer Development Team OpenVMS System Software Groupc Hewlett-Packard Companye
 Nashua, NH  I "Leslie Van Buggenhout" <leslie.vanbuggenhout@sidmar.be> wrote in messageG7 news:638ed686.0406220246.1d6729ef@posting.google.com...  > Hello, >uC > We have no problem to run OSU scripts under CSWS V1.3 (VMS 7.3-2) 6 > With CSWS V2.0 however the same scripts are failing. >o > 5 > Following error can be found in the file ERROR_LOG.jK >  [Tue Jun 22 11:08:37 2004] [notice] child pid 641 exit signal Bad system- call(12) > E > I have followed the instructions as described in the documentation. 3 > Loading the module (only with  V2.0) is done withoC >       "LoadModule osuscript_module     modules/mod_osuscript.exe"2 >9I > Is there someone who has been able to run Osu scripts with CSWS V2.0 ??" >- > Thanks > Leslie   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:00:44 -0500KL From: "Webb, William W - Raleigh, NC - Contractor" <william.w.webb@usps.gov>4 Subject: Recall: ENCOMPASS NCLUG meeting 22-JUL-2004Q Message-ID: <9C79BCBF18A1124DB7C1B0A7D5F1F7754C3F08@eagnmnsxm10.usa.dce.usps.gov>u  E Webb, William W - Raleigh, NC - Contractor would like to recall the =m/ message, "ENCOMPASS NCLUG meeting 22-JUL-2004".e   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2004 12:44:06 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)t8 Subject: Re: Recall: ENCOMPASS NCLUG meeting 22-JUL-20043 Message-ID: <eijzaoV0vsGJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <9C79BCBF18A1124DB7C1B0A7D5F1F7754C3F08@eagnmnsxm10.usa.dce.usps.gov>, "Webb, William W - Raleigh, NC - Contractor" <william.w.webb@usps.gov> writes:G > Webb, William W - Raleigh, NC - Contractor would like to recall the =P1 > message, "ENCOMPASS NCLUG meeting 22-JUL-2004".b  D Somehow I figured that William Webb knew what was feasible better...   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2004 07:15:55 -0700" From: horn@shsu.edu (James T Horn)A Subject: Re: Secure Web Server Version 2.0 available for downloadi= Message-ID: <843706dc.0406220615.394eacf5@posting.google.com>.  F Our problem is not with ftp, but with sftp which seems to only support4 stream_lf for ascii, where ftp is not so restricted.  k "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<qMKAc.39736$nY.1291816@news20.bellglobal.com>... 1 > "James T Horn" <horn@shsu.edu> wrote in messaget9 > news:843706dc.0406181308.10a9a6e6@posting.google.com...>F > > In all this discussion, we are finding that using sftp to transferI > > files between systems is having problems with the non-streamlf files.-I > > We are having to convert files created using cobol to streamlf beforen% > > we us sftp to transfer the files.h > >hE > > Anyone having the same kind of problem with sftp and non-streamlfr
 > > files? > L > I'm no expert but I've only ever encountered three types of problems using > any kind of FTP: > J > 1. newbees prefer to use BINARY transfers for everything. As I said in aJ > previous posting, when sending TEXT you must use ASCII mode so that textL > stored a certain way on one system is converted to the expected format forI > the other system. (Some systems end a line of text with <cr>, some withsN > <lf>, some with <cr><lf>, one with <ctrl-z>, and OpenVMS with nothing at allG > because the lines are usually stored in RMS as records that appear toiI > resemble Pascal strings). BTW, don't take my word for any of this, justD > check the RFCs.t > L > 2. some systems treat BINARY and IMAGE as synonyms while others treat themJ > differently. I'm currently using TCPware's FTP to send binary files to aK > UNIX system. I must use IMAGE to send files to UNIX while the UNIX systemiJ > must send them back using BINARY (not all UNIX systems support the IMAGEN > command). BTW, TCPware's help states that BINARY mode should only be used to, > send certain files like ".OBJ" and ".STB". > L > 3. FTPing a file with a non standard block size (like a VMS save set) willJ > almost always change the block size to 512 bytes. So if you need to do aL > restore, you either FTP or copy the saveset back to OpenVMS and then run aN > little tool to correct the block size. BTW, this is officially known as "FTP< > Induced Save Set Corruption". Click here for more details:8 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/freeware/backup.html >  >  > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,n > Ontario, Canada.: > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:45:30 GMT(" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG, Subject: slap in the face again... thanks HP0 Message-ID: <00A33BAC.FA37127B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  E Accu-Weather video...  It's in some proprietry fucking weendoze videog format!c  G What is wrong with a standard format.  The VMS@25 (thank you) was .MPG..  G HP tries harder and harder to keep us, the faithful, from proselytizingmF VMS.  Have fun when you become just another box seller in the Weendoze weirld.s   -- dB http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.i -- vK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM_             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" O   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:59:23 GMTd/ From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@spyderbyte.com> 0 Subject: Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP> Message-ID: <L2WBc.64693$2o2.3685919@twister.southeast.rr.com>  K Doesn't someone have a converter?  I'll see if I can't find one today.  SuelK is on vacation this week.  I'll try to get approval to post on OVMSorg if IT can manage to convert it.r   Kenm   -- Ken Farmer <>< OpenVMS.orgs    , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A33BAC.FA37127B@SendSpamHere.ORG...G > Accu-Weather video...  It's in some proprietry fucking weendoze videon	 > format!  >uI > What is wrong with a standard format.  The VMS@25 (thank you) was .MPG.  >AI > HP tries harder and harder to keep us, the faithful, from proselytizingtH > VMS.  Have fun when you become just another box seller in the Weendoze	 > weirld.  >- > -- -D > http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityE >                             solutions that others only claim to be.m > -- t2 > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >a6 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:32:45 +0200e* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>0 Subject: Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP+ Message-ID: <2jqqnuF14674lU1@uni-berlin.de>t   VAXman- wrote:G > Accu-Weather video...  It's in some proprietry fucking weendoze videoD	 > format!r > I > What is wrong with a standard format.  The VMS@25 (thank you) was .MPG.n > I > HP tries harder and harder to keep us, the faithful, from proselytizingtH > VMS.  Have fun when you become just another box seller in the Weendoze	 > weirld.  >   G Not to distract from your perfectly valid complaint, but I grabbed VLC v for Mac OS X from:  0 http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-macosx.html  G And it plays this video fine. GNU GPL, and no steenking Weendows Media t Player in sight.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:48:37 GMTe* From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>0 Subject: Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP5 Message-ID: <220620041011040858%paul.anderson@hp.com>h  6 In article <2jqqnuF14674lU1@uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture  <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote:   > VAXman- wrote:I > > Accu-Weather video...  It's in some proprietry fucking weendoze video  > > format!g > > K > > What is wrong with a standard format.  The VMS@25 (thank you) was .MPG.E > > K > > HP tries harder and harder to keep us, the faithful, from proselytizingmJ > > VMS.  Have fun when you become just another box seller in the Weendoze > > weirld.  > >  > I > Not to distract from your perfectly valid complaint, but I grabbed VLC   > for Mac OS X from: > 2 > http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-macosx.html > I > And it plays this video fine. GNU GPL, and no steenking Weendows Media   > Player in sight.  B Thank you!  I've changed my Mac to use VLC for all .WMV files.  (I, still think of VLC as a VAXstation, though.)  ? The use of the poor-quality Windows Media format instead of fara= superior formats, or one that will play on OpenVMS, is indeedc frustrating.   Paul   -- R  Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:16:00 GMTd" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG0 Subject: Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP0 Message-ID: <00A33BCA.6247AC22@SendSpamHere.ORG>  X In article <2jqqnuF14674lU1@uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes: >VAXman- wrote:eH >> Accu-Weather video...  It's in some proprietry fucking weendoze video
 >> format! >> cJ >> What is wrong with a standard format.  The VMS@25 (thank you) was .MPG. >>  J >> HP tries harder and harder to keep us, the faithful, from proselytizingI >> VMS.  Have fun when you become just another box seller in the Weendozec
 >> weirld. >>   >uH >Not to distract from your perfectly valid complaint, but I grabbed VLC  >for Mac OS X from:.  3 Have I ever had a perfectly invalid complaint?  :) f    1 >http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-macosx.htmlW > H >And it plays this video fine. GNU GPL, and no steenking Weendows Media  >Player in sight.y  G As much as I hate to pull such things down from the net, I'll give it af go.  o  7 Still, there's no reason for making it WEENDOZE only.  w -- pB http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  -- eK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMn            -5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" a   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:32:52 GMTc" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG0 Subject: Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP0 Message-ID: <00A33BCC.BD711D4A@SendSpamHere.ORG>  b In article <220620041011040858%paul.anderson@hp.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes:7 >In article <2jqqnuF14674lU1@uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sturee! ><nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote:m >a >> VAXman- wrote:bJ >> > Accu-Weather video...  It's in some proprietry fucking weendoze video >> > format! >> > rL >> > What is wrong with a standard format.  The VMS@25 (thank you) was .MPG. >> >  L >> > HP tries harder and harder to keep us, the faithful, from proselytizingK >> > VMS.  Have fun when you become just another box seller in the Weendozea >> > weirld. >> >   >>  J >> Not to distract from your perfectly valid complaint, but I grabbed VLC  >> for Mac OS X from:d >> u3 >> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-macosx.html  >> oJ >> And it plays this video fine. GNU GPL, and no steenking Weendows Media  >> Player in sight.n >sC >Thank you!  I've changed my Mac to use VLC for all .WMV files.  (I - >still think of VLC as a VAXstation, though.)2 >s@ >The use of the poor-quality Windows Media format instead of far  D To quote Sylvester the cat: You ain't just whistleing dixie brother!  A Wow.  What awful lossy quality.  Gimme MPEG and QuickTime anyday!t    > >superior formats, or one that will play on OpenVMS, is indeed
 >frustrating.i  + I can't play QT on VMS but I can play MPEG.-   --  B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.P -- jK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMc             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" G   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 17:38:38 +0800a, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>- Subject: Re: Split I/Os to contiguous file???H- Message-ID: <877ju0szj5.fsf@prep.synonet.com>o  3 "konabear" <konabearg-newsgroups@yahoo.com> writes:O   ...   B > Also the "old" case I believe you are referring to was indeed an@ > older issue that a window pointer was limited in the number ofD > blocks it could map.  Because of this a completely contiguous diskF > farm would still see window turns when a contiguous file larger thanA > max pointer size times the number of pointers in the window wasd? > active.  In that case, depending the size of the file, largeri' > windows could avoid the window turns.e  D > The "older" case would only be documented in older versions as theD > size of the pointer has been increased so that one pointer is ableF > to map a 1 terabyte fragment.  I was down this path recently wantingE > to make sure large files weren't *still* a source of windows turns.l  D The ODS-2 ACP/XQP convert the mapping pointer to 32:32 format in theB Window BLock, and coalese pointers if they are contiguous, even ifE the header has smaller extent pointers. Done that since 3.2 at least,s possible earlier.a  , I *think* the ODS-1 ACP for VMS did as well.   -- d< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.n@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2004 06:31:07 -0700- From: contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva)n" Subject: SSH protocol in VMS 5.5-2= Message-ID: <ddf392ea.0406220531.24a5990a@posting.google.com>l  - Is there any free SSH protocol to VMS 5.5-2 ?s/ I'd like connect to Solaris box from VMS box...c Thanks in advance.   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Jun 2004 16:26:10 GMT3 From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@squeeeez.dyndns.org>t& Subject: Re: SSH protocol in VMS 5.5-2/ Message-ID: <slrncdgnd2.t9.thierry@MARS.Family>o  = On 2004-06-22, Shiva MahaDeva <contracer11@uol.com.br> wrote:u/ > Is there any free SSH protocol to VMS 5.5-2 ? 1 > I'd like connect to Solaris box from VMS box...i  M http://www.free.lp.se/fish/ seems to have something - Don't know about BAMSE,e but FISH might work for you.   Thierryl   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:51:23 GMTe1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>e- Subject: Re: TCPIP: SMTP outbound CR-LF bug !s< Message-ID: <LHXBc.2347$q55.1310@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>   JF Mezei wrote:n  
 > VAX VMS 7.2a > TCPIP Services 5.3 ECO 3 >   > source file: Stream-LF, RAT=CR > > > mail source_file.txt "smtp%chef@chocolate.com" /subject=test > E > Line ends in the data sent to the destination SMTP server will be 3e > characters: CR CR LFF > (but for the header abover the text, it will be the standard CR LF). > H > For normal variable length files, the line terminators are ok (CR LF).  H If a file is anything other than standard variable-length text files, I 1 generally uuencode it before trying to send it...m  7 pipe tcpip$uuencode infile sys$output | mail sys$pipe -X,   /subj="somethinghere" "user@somewhere.com"0 !! note you don't need to use the SMTP string...   Michael Austin.S   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2004 01:58:43 -0700& From: shikoks@hotmail.com (Mon Garret), Subject: Tool used for Mapping a file in VMS< Message-ID: <a2a1e057.0406220058.951415e@posting.google.com>  C Does anyone know a tool that can be used in mapping a file in VMS? t7 This tool is similar to what Fileaid does in Mainframe.n   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2004 11:14:54 +0200. From: huber@NOBODY-mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)0 Subject: Re: Tool used for Mapping a file in VMS+ Message-ID: <mAX66dabP$Pd@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>-  e In article <a2a1e057.0406220058.951415e@posting.google.com>, shikoks@hotmail.com (Mon Garret) writes:eE > Does anyone know a tool that can be used in mapping a file in VMS? D9 > This tool is similar to what Fileaid does in Mainframe.@  7 I don't know what Fileaid does on (which ?) mainframe, o> but mapping a file in memory is done in VMS by system service 6  $CRMPSC , called a private file-based global section.  See help system_service $CRMPSC.  @ If You are familiar with Unix/C, there is the mmap function the . C run-time library, see help CC run-time mmap.  h -- i6    Joseph Huber, Muenchen  http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:55:28 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>c0 Subject: Re: Tool used for Mapping a file in VMS< Message-ID: <ALXBc.2348$q55.2308@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>   Mon Garret wrote:q  E > Does anyone know a tool that can be used in mapping a file in VMS? e9 > This tool is similar to what Fileaid does in Mainframe.-  D can you be more specific on what the term "mapping" means?  Is that G putting the file into memory, describing the "meta-data"/format of the A% data in the file (record sizes etc??)6   What *does* Fileaid do??   M.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2004 09:38:03 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)tL Subject: Re: [OpenVMS] BACKUP to two tapes CONCURRENTLY (duplicating data) ?3 Message-ID: <co4tFc8ltMWr@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <newscache$1z2pzh$7ni$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: \ > In article <00A33B36.73F7CAD2.7@tachysoft.com>, Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> writes:	 > <[snip]lL >>Because tapesys has had this capability since the early nineties at least. >>[snip]M >>It is pretty much exactly what you are asking for, just not built into vms.2 > 4 > But OTOH it is not supported by vms engineering...  F To support such a less-than-universally-required capability as part ofE base VMS would raise the cost of VMS for all, versus having those whoo( need that particular feature pay for it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:45:47 -0400d( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>L Subject: Re: [OpenVMS] BACKUP to two tapes CONCURRENTLY (duplicating data) ?, Message-ID: <40D8380B.5070202@tsoft-inc.com>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:  \ > In article <00A33B36.73F7CAD2.7@tachysoft.com>, Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> writes:	 > <[snip]  > L >>Because tapesys has had this capability since the early nineties at least. >>[snip]M >>It is pretty much exactly what you are asking for, just not built into vms.r >> > 4 > But OTOH it is not supported by vms engineering... >  > Thanks anywaya >  >   N While giving them all due respect, I have to observe that not all software is M supported by VMS engineering.  Name any third party application available on  Q VMS, even that overblown hog SAP that's so beloved by many, and you'll be naming 9L software that's 'not supported by VMS engineering' (or any other OS vendor).  % So, I have to ask, what's your point?u  L I'm being quite restrained in this post.  As a software engineer who writes H applications, I find an implication that anything 'not supported by VMS M engineering' shouldn't be run on a VMS system to be less than reasonable.  I mO even have to ask, what's the purpose of these machines, if not to run in-house  8 developed or third party apps to perform required tasks?  L  From the perspective of 'required tasks', what's the difference between an P application that writes to two tape drives at the same time, and an application % that tracks your Accounts Receivable?e   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roadp Vanderbilt, PA  15486s   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.345 ************************