1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 24 Jun 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 349       Contents: Adding a unit on a HSZ40  Re: Adopt Alpha 1000 - San Diego Re: DS20 from Tru64 to VMS Re: Equipment release policy?  Re: Equipment release policy?  Re: Equipment release policy?  Re: Equipment release policy?  Error with ACMS/ENTER  FTP Problem  Re: FTP Problem  Re: FTP Problem , HXDRIVER VAX installation issues in OVMS 7.30 Re: HXDRIVER VAX installation issues in OVMS 7.3@ Re: Is OpenVMS 'Adaptive' according to HP, or just an Albatross? Re: Marillion Comeback Re: Mozilla 1.7  NTP and NTPDATE  Re: OT: Compdex 2004 cancelled Re: OT: Sun / Sparc  FUD Re: OT: Sun / Sparc  FUD Re: OT: Sun / Sparc  FUD Re: OT: Sun / Sparc  FUD Re: OT: Sun / Sparc  FUD Re: OT: Sun / Sparc  FUD Re: OT: Sun / Sparc  FUD Re: Problem installing MySQL7 Re: program a serial port to UPS to detect power outage : Re: RSA Secure ID  or other hardware token authentication?: Re: RSA Secure ID  or other hardware token authentication?' Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP ' Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP ' Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP $ Re: Split I/Os to contiguous file???$ TCPIP V5.3 - ECO 2 FTP server quirk?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 24 Jun 2004 01:04:38 -0700, From: pietdisp-deja@yahoo.com (Piet Timmers)! Subject: Adding a unit on a HSZ40 = Message-ID: <f105e02e.0406240004.41af5630@posting.google.com>   0 Adding a unit on a HSZ40, I know very, very old.   But how do I add a unit:  H add unit 10 disk100  gives the message that the number part off the LUN % must 0-7, but 0-7 are already in use.    Please help.   Piet   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:03:28 GMT 6 From: "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net>) Subject: Re: Adopt Alpha 1000 - San Diego 9 Message-ID: <APDCc.806$5p1.32@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>   & I have a list of volunteers by e-mail.   --       Andy Bustamante  Remove the ASCII 95s for e-mail     A "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net> wrote in message 7 news:HHsCc.76837$II6.4559@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com... G > We've got marching orders and will be disposing of assorted equipment  > including 2 x Alpha 1000s,L > 320mb and 384mb.  I don't expect these to bring in much on the used marketI > and am trying to get approval to pass these on to a hobbyist in the San C > Diego area.  You'll need to arrange pick up, once I have disposal H > authorized, I won't ship these.  I expect this to be a quick timetable once! > I have the okay.  Any interest?  >  > --   >  >  > Andy Bustamante ! > Remove the ASCII 95s for e-mail  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:09:16 -0400 7 From: Claude Marinier <claude.marinier@drdc-rddc.gc.ca> # Subject: Re: DS20 from Tru64 to VMS 2 Message-ID: <1088089760.402776@news.drenet.dnd.ca>  , Some answers to previously posted questions.  F The SHOW CONFIG and SHOW DEV commands correctly list the devices that 0 are attached to the system. The SCSI IDs are OK.  F The system did run well with Tru64. It was running off a 9.1 GB drive 
 (BD009122C6).   I I have removed the LSI Logic SCSI controller (SYM8952U). I connected the  H disk drives to the combo card; it has one DE500 plus two NCR 53875 SCSI B controllers. That card uses the compact SCSI connectors; I got it 5 working by adding a DLT drive (fun with SCSI cables).   F Everything is visible from the console. Interestingly, I can also see 1 the SCSI devices when I boot from the VMS CD-ROM.   E I suspect that the boot process hands VMS the means of accessing the  ) SCSI disk but VMS is not able to do more.   D This next question may be key. Does anyone have a definitive answer?   Paul Repacholi wrote: G > It has those dual SCSI/E'net controllers? I thought that there was no  > VMS support for them?    --  ' Claude Marinier, Information Technology . Defence Research & Development Canada (Ottawa) claude.marinier@drdc-rddc.gc.ca ! http://www.ottawa.drdc-rddc.gc.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:33:16 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> & Subject: Re: Equipment release policy?, Message-ID: <yaKdnd1pmbzcRUfdRVn-sA@igs.net>   Jack Peacock wrote: 4 > "one_of_many" <oneofmany@nix.nix> wrote in message; > news:oneofmany-2306041539090001@m-0-20.docsis.hbci.com... D >> I have a new VP who seems completely unconcerned about wiping the@ >> discs, so it seems likely the farm will be 'disposed', as-is, >> readable files unerased.  >>D > Normally your concern would be justified, but in this case your VPE > may be right for the wrong reasons.  Given the very small number of D > VMS systems still in operation, and virtually none of them in whatA > might be termed "hacker" hands, if you pull the drives from the A > machines the likelihood anyone could extract information from a * > non-Windows format disk is fairly small. > E > Think of it this way, how would you get data off a PDP-10 disk pack " > if you were handed one tomorrow? > D > However, I'd still erase the drives.  Or the directory at the very >   least. Jack Peacock     K Privacy laws make *NO* distinction between widely used and less widely used K operating systems. Try making that argument in court and you'll be enjoying " 3 squares per day off a tin plate.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:20:08 GMT . From: Beach Runner <BeachRunner@cfl.rr.nospam>& Subject: Re: Equipment release policy?; Message-ID: <sqBCc.4958$lL2.363862@twister.tampabay.rr.com>   C Write a memo to YOUR management.   Keep a file in a safety deposit. . Make it as kindly and well worded as possible.     JF Mezei wrote:    >one_of_many wrote:  >    > J >>I have a new VP who seems completely unconcerned about wiping the discs,G >>so it seems likely the farm will be 'disposed', as-is, readable files  >>unerased.  >>     >> > W >You are in a difficult situation, especially if you intend to remain at that employer.  > J >If you could have those systems powered up and then access them from yourM >office to "browse" documents and emails and print some very interesting ones N >and leave those on your boss' desk with a note "when you dispose of these VMSM >systems without proper cleanup, this is what the buyer will have access to".  > O >If you feel your VP would react negatively, then you coudl do the same, but go I >over his head as many times as required, all the way to individual board 
 >members.  > M >By allowing a loaded system into foreign hands, your company is allowing its M >intellectual property to go "public" and there might be serious implicatiosn M >with regards to copyrights. To retain rights to some IP, a company must show ? >that it has taken steps to protect that intellectual property.  > . >Do you have a corporate security department ? > O >Is that company unionized ? i am sure the union might love to get its hands on P >it and access whatever corporate accounting information that might be in there. >    >    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jun 2004 09:16:24 -07002 From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb)& Subject: Re: Equipment release policy?= Message-ID: <bf98c417.0406240816.1765ffa0@posting.google.com>   l oneofmany@nix.nix (one_of_many) wrote in message news:<oneofmany-2306041539090001@m-0-20.docsis.hbci.com>...G > Our last OpenVMS systems were retired last month. Clients have email, K > documents, research databases and proceedures on the system. For the past L > twenty-something years, before I released discs for disposal, I would do aJ > delete/erase on all the discs. (/erase and highwater marking was set forK > the life of the volumes as well.) I realize that these techniques are not L > military-secure, but it seemed to be a prudent thing to do. (By 'disposal'K > I mean I simply cannot know where these systems are going - most are sold K > in public auction or traded-in for an almost negligible amount. The point 3 > is we do not know where these discs will end up.)  > J > I have a new VP who seems completely unconcerned about wiping the discs,G > so it seems likely the farm will be 'disposed', as-is, readable files A > unerased. The systems were simply powered off by a machine room I > technician, and I am not allowed into the machine room to carry out the F > cleanup. (Political stuff: we have a new regime, new VP, all WindoZeJ > freaks, all of which are in part responsible for the demise of OpenVMS.) > H > Obviously, I feel _terribly_ uncomfortable about this situation and amJ > building a statement. Posting of policies or just comments regarding theH > matter of releasing discs for disposal or resale would be appreciated. > I > And I'm sorry for the (albeit feeble) anonymity. I hope you understand.   # References abound.  Take your pick.   @ All of these links came from http://csrc.nist.gov/fasp/jump.html  # PRODUCTION, INPUT/OUTPUT CONTROLS -   F covers topics ranging from a user help desk to procedures for storing, handling and destroying media.   - Media Sanitization Procedures - NIST 12/08/03   S << http://csrc.nist.gov/fasp/FASPDocs/inoutput-control/proc_media_sanitization4.doc  >>     . Disk Sanitization Procedures -- NIH * 06/01/01  H << http://csrc.nist.gov/fasp/FASPDocs/inoutput-control/NIHDataSanBSP.htm >>     ? Remove all Data From Workstations & Servers -- USAID * 04/25/01   J << http://csrc.nist.gov/fasp/FASPDocs/inoutput-control/disksanitizebsp.htm >>     F Sample Generic Policy and High Level Procedures for Marking, Handling,4 Processing, Storage and Disposal of Data -- 08/02/00  E << http://csrc.nist.gov/fasp/FASPDocs/inoutput-control/marking.doc >>       C And if you go to SANS and put the word "disposal" into their search   engine, you get many, many hits.  B << http://www.sans.org/search.php?config=sansphp&words=disposal >>  6 Now you've got enough information to paper his office.   WWWebb   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jun 2004 10:06:38 -0700% From: whohe@whoever.com (DL Phillips) & Subject: Re: Equipment release policy?= Message-ID: <af0dc2ea.0406240906.43fd9500@posting.google.com>   l oneofmany@nix.nix (one_of_many) wrote in message news:<oneofmany-2306041539090001@m-0-20.docsis.hbci.com>...G > Our last OpenVMS systems were retired last month. Clients have email, K > documents, research databases and proceedures on the system. For the past L > twenty-something years, before I released discs for disposal, I would do aJ > delete/erase on all the discs. (/erase and highwater marking was set forK > the life of the volumes as well.) I realize that these techniques are not L > military-secure, but it seemed to be a prudent thing to do. (By 'disposal'K > I mean I simply cannot know where these systems are going - most are sold K > in public auction or traded-in for an almost negligible amount. The point 3 > is we do not know where these discs will end up.)  > J > I have a new VP who seems completely unconcerned about wiping the discs,G > so it seems likely the farm will be 'disposed', as-is, readable files A > unerased. The systems were simply powered off by a machine room I > technician, and I am not allowed into the machine room to carry out the F > cleanup. (Political stuff: we have a new regime, new VP, all WindoZeJ > freaks, all of which are in part responsible for the demise of OpenVMS.) > H > Obviously, I feel _terribly_ uncomfortable about this situation and amJ > building a statement. Posting of policies or just comments regarding theH > matter of releasing discs for disposal or resale would be appreciated. > I > And I'm sorry for the (albeit feeble) anonymity. I hope you understand.     D If you don't report directly to this "new VP", then screw him. Go toE your boss and let him fight the battle. Follow up that meeting with a " memo to your boss and keep a copy.  D Is he a peer? Then screw him. He's not a factor. Do what you know is right.  F Do you report directly to the new VP? If so, doesn't your company haveE a written policy concerning the disposal of sensitive information? If A you do, then there should be no question as to what must be done.   B If you don't have a policy, and you report directly to the new VP, then:   D Stay in the VP's face. He is your guru, your mentor. His position ofD authority carries that responsibility. Ask him to share with you hisD wisdom so you may learn the subtleties of this new style of securityA management (don't literally ask this, of course, just convey this B message). And, since he is a new guy, it is your responsibility toF help him understand the "old ways" of your organization so he will notC get in trouble by making a false assumption about the nature of the E information in question. And, "I just know, Sir, that you are as much A concerned about letting sensitive information fall into the wrong  hands as I am".   A Tell him that you believe your company needs a written policy and D offer to start looking into it for him. If he tells you that dealingF with that issue isn't his or your job ..... You have won. Tell him youE are going to talk to the person whose job it is. Don't ask him if you  can, tell him that you are.   E If he forbids you to do that? Tell him you feel strongly enough about B this, and since there is no written policy and you know he doesn'tD have the time to devote to it, you will take it upon yourself to get+ the ball rolling. Keep telling, not asking.   D Your resposiblity is to the organization, first and foremost. Send aF memo to the VP and copy to to the person in charge of security and theB VP's boss. Screw the new VP. He won't be around very long with his	 attitude.   E However: If he tells you to go ahead and work something up, then, get F the issue on the agenda at the next meeting, (your organization soundsF like the type that has a lot of meetings:-) and use the VMS systems asA an example. Shine some light on the VP and make him look good; He F asked you to look into this security matter because he is concerned...D yadda, yadda, yadda. It's better to make him a friend than an enemy, even if he is a jerk.    Doug   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:02:38 +0000 (UTC) 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com>  Subject: Error with ACMS/ENTER0 Message-ID: <cbefst$jsc$1@sparta.btinternet.com>   Hi,   . I hope someone can help with an ACMS Question.  J We have moved a copy of one system on box A to box B. SYSUAFs are the sameL UDU file is the same AAU file is the same; in fact the system disk is a copy7 of that on node A but it has been brought up as node B.   D The application has been installed and starts OK and looks good withG ACMS/SHOW SYS but when a user tries $ACMS/ENTER we get something like:-    ?Authorization failure  J and when I look at ACMSATR it says %acms-e-badagent which I think is a redH herring 'cos we haven't needed /AGENT on the UDU usernames on node A. So= something is different on the two machines. Can anybody help?    Regards Richard Maher    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jun 2004 02:35:50 -07004 From: chakravarthula.prashanth@patni.com (Prashanth) Subject: FTP Problem= Message-ID: <e8f22085.0406240135.5af3a607@posting.google.com>    Hi All,   I Some files *.dmp gets generated with Ctrl-Z at the end of the file on the C windows/NT platform. This ctrl-Z must be removed while FTP to alpha F m/c(VAX/VMS). In FTP programs there is an option to strip ctrl-Z while	 ftp'ing.    > I wanted to know if there are any options in ftp command whichJ enable the stripping of ctrl-Z. We are writing a com script on VAX/VMS and getting the files from WinNT.    Thanks in advance 	 Prashanth    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jun 2004 07:55:39 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: FTP Problem3 Message-ID: <NLzmGSxuj34J@eisner.encompasserve.org>   t In article <e8f22085.0406240135.5af3a607@posting.google.com>, chakravarthula.prashanth@patni.com (Prashanth) writes:	 > Hi All,  > K > Some files *.dmp gets generated with Ctrl-Z at the end of the file on the E > windows/NT platform. This ctrl-Z must be removed while FTP to alpha H > m/c(VAX/VMS). In FTP programs there is an option to strip ctrl-Z while > ftp'ing.   > @ > I wanted to know if there are any options in ftp command whichL > enable the stripping of ctrl-Z. We are writing a com script on VAX/VMS and > getting the files from WinNT.   H You will get more accurate answers if you specify which of the (4 or so)! FTP clients you are using on VMS.    ------------------------------   Date: 24 Jun 2004 15:42:59 GMT& From: Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu> Subject: Re: FTP Problem7 Message-ID: <slrncdltk3.gn9.fdc@sesame.cc.columbia.edu>   D On 2004-06-24, Prashanth <chakravarthula.prashanth@patni.com> wrote:K : Some files *.dmp gets generated with Ctrl-Z at the end of the file on the E : windows/NT platform. This ctrl-Z must be removed while FTP to alpha H : m/c(VAX/VMS). In FTP programs there is an option to strip ctrl-Z while : ftp'ing.   : @ : I wanted to know if there are any options in ftp command whichL : enable the stripping of ctrl-Z. We are writing a com script on VAX/VMS and : getting the files from WinNT.  : B If you were pushing the files *from* Windows NT, you could use the Kermit 95 ftp client:   /   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html   F which has a command "set file eof ctrl-z", which tells it to treat theG first Ctrl-Z in the file as the end-of-file marker, and not to send it, H or anything that might follow it.  (This is the convention that was usedE on CP/M, where file sizes were recorded only in 128-byte blocks, not   individual bytes).   - Frank    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jun 2004 00:44:00 -07003 From: bruce.stafford@sbcglobal.net (Bruce Stafford) 5 Subject: HXDRIVER VAX installation issues in OVMS 7.3 = Message-ID: <102eae4e.0406232344.3727b5af@posting.google.com>   C I have a MicroVAX 3500 with a DRQ3B Q-Bus interface card installed. A Had trouble getting older VAX disks and am using SCSI-1 disks and A CDROM devices via a third party Q-Bus to SCSI-1 Interface module. ? Disks and CDROM work fine, however have had trouble loading the C HXDRIVER v1.4 from CDROM. Note that SCSI interface card uses vector B 300, so DRQ3B card is set for 310. Have license already installed.E Documentation claims that driver will work with v5.5 and up VMS. Does = anyone have experience with VMS v7.3 with this HXDRIVER v1.4?   < Install goes fine, but does not create the HXDRIVER.exe. The> HX$LOAD.COM file can be run manually and should start a SYSGEN> operation and reload the HXDRIVER.EXE from SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGESA directory and connect to ports, then exit. Even though there is a ? VMSINSTAL.HISTORY file that states the driver installation is a E success, the HXDRIVER.EXE cannot be located on the disk, so therefore C the HX$LOAD.COM file does not produce a loadable image. Any helpful 8 information you can provide will be greatly appreciated.   Thanks,    Bruce.stafford@sbcglobal.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:32:39 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> 9 Subject: Re: HXDRIVER VAX installation issues in OVMS 7.3 ' Message-ID: <40DAE607.1070505@MMaz.com>    Bruce Stafford wrote:   D >I have a MicroVAX 3500 with a DRQ3B Q-Bus interface card installed.B >Had trouble getting older VAX disks and am using SCSI-1 disks andB >CDROM devices via a third party Q-Bus to SCSI-1 Interface module.@ >Disks and CDROM work fine, however have had trouble loading theD >HXDRIVER v1.4 from CDROM. Note that SCSI interface card uses vectorC >300, so DRQ3B card is set for 310. Have license already installed. F >Documentation claims that driver will work with v5.5 and up VMS. Does> >anyone have experience with VMS v7.3 with this HXDRIVER v1.4? > = >Install goes fine, but does not create the HXDRIVER.exe. The ? >HX$LOAD.COM file can be run manually and should start a SYSGEN ? >operation and reload the HXDRIVER.EXE from SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES B >directory and connect to ports, then exit. Even though there is a@ >VMSINSTAL.HISTORY file that states the driver installation is aF >success, the HXDRIVER.EXE cannot be located on the disk, so thereforeD >the HX$LOAD.COM file does not produce a loadable image. Any helpful9 >information you can provide will be greatly appreciated.  >  >    > I My first guess is that if this drive is linked at installation time, the  A link is failing otherwise the driver would be there, or would be  F provided as an image on the kit.  Look through the DCL procedures and 7 find out where HX comes from, your answers are there...    Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:51:24 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> I Subject: Re: Is OpenVMS 'Adaptive' according to HP, or just an Albatross? 0 Message-ID: <cbf0qd$8ba$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Keith Parris wrote:  > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<cbbfhc$893$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > 	 >>HP have H >>not chosen to exploit this with any of the Utility management software: >>thats at the basis of their Adaptive Enterprise program. >  > D > Not true. Dave Holt's presentation from the ENSA@work / HP-Interex@ > EMEA conferece in Munich in May entitled "OpenVMS Delivers the? > Adaptive Enterprise Now" contains slides covering the OpenVMS G > implementation of Adaptive Enterprise components, with a timeline. It 9 > describes AE components in terms of all of these areas:  > o  Web Services  > o  Management  > o  Utility Pricing > o  Virtualization Technology! > o  Continuous Secure Operations  >   = However the technology components refered to do not currently > run on OpenVMS and as such all you seem to be pointing to is a* marketing slide not anything that is real.    E > In the area of Web Services, VMS already has support for XML, SOAP, " > WSDL, J2EE, Apache, Tomcat, etc. >  > In the area of Management:G > 1) The OpenView Operations Agent for OpenVMS is already shipping, and D > other needs in the area of OpenView and Smart Plug Ins will be met > during 2004.  > The OpenView Operations Agent does not provision or virtualise> OpenVMS it simply element manages it. Most people would expect# you to be able to do this allready.   H > 2) With regard to Workload Manager (WLM) on OpenVMS, the code is beingF > ported now, with an increasing number of functions running; the planF > is to ship on OpenVMS Alpha and Itanium by the end of 2005. And thisF > engineering work will be the trigger for additional engineering work
 > in 2006.D > 3) Many of the recent HP Adaptive Management software acquisitionsB > including: Select Access from Baltimore, Talking Blocks, ExtremeA > Logic, Persist Technology, Novadigm, Consera and Trulogica will  > embrace OpenVMS over time.   ReallyG > 4) The Process Resource Manager (PRM) already has a direct equivalent 8 > on OpenVMS in the form of the OpenVMS Class Scheduler.  * And does any of the UDC stuff support it ?  C > 5) Engineering and development of various visualization tools are 8 > slated for OpenVMS starting in the first half of 2005. >   ; And whan are they going to be integrated into HP's standard ; virtualisation and provisoning platform for HP-UX, Windows,  Linux and Solaris ?   , > With regard to Utility Pricing on OpenVMS:% > 1) Pay Per Forecast is possible now ' > 2) Capacity on Demand is possible now > > 3) Per Processor Licensing is slated for November 2004, and ' > 4) Metered Usage/Pay Per Use in 2005.  >     + > With regard to virtualization technology: E > 1) OpenVMS already supports both soft and hard partitions, and will E > continue to be supported in partitions on Integrity platforms going 
 > forward.  ; And whan are they going to be integrated into HP's standard ; virtualisation and provisoning platform for HP-UX, Windows,  Linux and Solaris ?   > > 2) Storage virtualization is already supported with OpenVMS.B > 3) OpenVMS already has many features in these areas, but furtherF > support for network and application virtualization is slated for the. > 2nd half of 2005 and the first half of 2006. >   ; And whan are they going to be integrated into HP's standard ; virtualisation and provisoning platform for HP-UX, Windows,  Linux and Solaris ?   . > In the area of Continuous Secure Operations:0 > 1) OpenVMS already excels in High AvailabilityB > 2) OpenVMS also excels in n-site Disaster Tolerance and Disaster > Recovery capabilities D > 3) OpenVMS already has the best clustering in the world, with full3 > sharing and full read/write access by all members E > 4) Features supporting network-wide authentication are slated to be * > phased in starting the 2nd half of 2004.3 > 5) OpenVMS has already achieved C2-level security 2 > 6) OpenVMS already supports cluster-wide domains  = You seem intent on delivering a barrage of factetts that hide = the basic issue which is when will all the OpenVMS components = you refer to be integrated into HP's standard Utility product  set.  < Most major OS's have all the provisioning and virtualisation: technologies you ascribe to OpenVMS, that isn't really the issue.  9 The issue is how you interface with these technologies to = manage the virtualisation of servers storage and networks and ; in the whole datacenter in order to deliver a service based  on these resources.   : And no-where in your barrage of factetts do you cover this6 OpenView support for example is something that I would5 expect now regardless of whether I was embarking on a , Adaptive Enterprise Journey sponsored by HP.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:07:42 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> Subject: Re: Marillion Comeback + Message-ID: <2jvcu0F15t4rrU1@uni-berlin.de>    Mikko Putkonen wrote: - > Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote:  >  >>VAXman- wrote: >>J >>>If you like Marillion and other progressive rock, try out Auralmoon.comK >>>internet radio.  You might even hear my DECtalk speak if you listen long 
 >>>enough. >>>  >  > E >>I honestly don't know whether I like Marillion or not, as I've not  I >>really heard them much, but I do like what I see and hear on Auralmoon  	 >>so far.  >  > # >>Thanks very much for the pointer.  >  > F > Thanks from here too, albeit late ones.  I've now been listening to H > that radio quite frequently for a few weeks, and have definitely foundC > several artists and works probably worth taking a closer look at.  >   J And I'm getting to listen from some favourites from way back when, too :-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:29:36 GMT F From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman) Subject: Re: Mozilla 1.72 Message-ID: <4HACc.4643$6E2.3885@news.cpqcorp.net>  < I tried it, and it did not wipe out my bookmarks, as someone suggested it would.   5 However, it did not carry over the toolbar extensions 9 (adding the switch bar to turn java and javascript on and 8 off, adding the "clear location bar" (which is something7 that __REALLY__ ought to be in the open location dialog 4 box anyway) and font size buttons) from the previous6 installation.  I find this to be very, very annoying. 7 Fortunately, I've saved the PREFBAR.XPI file so I don't 8 have to keep going to the Mozilla web site to re-install= the extensions every time there is an upgrade or installation  on a new system.  : So far, I haven't really seen any differences between this9 version and the previous version in casual browsing.  But 8 I'm willing to assume there are improvements underneath.   --  (  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have a 5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:55:36 GMT % From: "Louie" <lwallace@twcny.rr.com>  Subject: NTP and NTPDATE9 Message-ID: <IqyCc.114963$j24.80085@twister.nyroc.rr.com>   I Running UCX version 4.2 with NTP as a client on a Alpha 2100 with OpenVMS J 7.1. Everything is fine until the server time jumps by more than 7.5 hoursA following a powerdown or power blip. Then NTP won't set the time.   K Is there a NTPDATE program available for this version of UCX that I can run  from a COM script during boot?  2 Or maybe a way to configure NTP to reset the date?  J Upgrading to TCP/IP version 5.0 is not an option because it will break the/ software that is relying on FTP in version 4.2.    Thanks in advance  Louie.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:50:48 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> ' Subject: Re: OT: Compdex 2004 cancelled ' Message-ID: <40DA6BB8.5040802@MMaz.com>    JF Mezei wrote:   J >Excellent article, including pointers to articles for 10 years's worth of >Compdex shows.  >  >    > Z >>http://news.com.com/Organizer+cancels+Comdex+2004/2100-7341_3-5244406.html?tag=nefd.lede >>     >> > H >Comdex 2004 has been cancelled due to the changing nature of IT and theM >appearance of specialised trade shows. They hope to be able to reform Comdex  >for a 2005 show.  > L >I find it interesting when you compare it to DECUS (or whatever ist name isL >this week). Any attempts by DECUS to diversify from its core has failed andL >resulted in lower interest since none of the constituencies sees sufficient2 >value for the technology theuy are interested in. >    > I I hadn't been to Comdex in more than 10 years, being in Vegas last fall,  G I went.  The only good thing I can say about it is that I made my wife  B very happy by taking her to Andrea Bochelli because as far as the D conferences and trade floors were concerned, it was by far the most > expense and least interesting week I've spent in a long time..  C DECUS had the unique property that folks were loyal to the Digital  D products, people liked them, they liked the company, they liked the I service, and especially pre-BI, they liked the perceived value but also,  B member participation was really what made DECUS work, back then...   Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jun 2004 00:11:48 -0700' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson) ! Subject: Re: OT: Sun / Sparc  FUD = Message-ID: <734da31c.0406232311.63bddb14@posting.google.com>    Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<cbbdsp$7ot$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > Rob Young wrote:t > > In article <d5abdc5c04db282b037f56ec73425413@news.teranews.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > > ^ > >>>http://news.com.com/Fujitsu+revs+faster+server+chip/2100-1006_3-5242884.html?tag=nefd.top > >>J > >>Fujitsu unveils new SPARC chip at 1.89GHz with 3MB on-chip cache. 90nmR > >>process. Will appear on servers later this year, sold by both Sun and Fujitsu.N > >>Sun continues to have some Sparcs built by Texas Instruments (making SparcA > >>available from multiple sources, something IA64 can't claim).  > >>M > >>Seems to me that such news kill any/all FUD that some have been spreading 7 > >>about the lack of future of the Sparc architecture.  > >  > > K > > 	A year ago, there were 88 SPARC machines on the SuperComputer Top 500. ; > > 	Today there are 3.  SPARC has slid off to irrelevance.  > >  > > 				Rob  > > E > Ohh my gosh, do you really think that the top 500 list is a measure $ > of the server industry as a whole.  D I partly agree with you here, but top500 does to some degree reflectD the popularity of an architecture as a whole. I am sure Sun would be= much more happy if there were more SPARC systems on the list.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:17:39 +0100 ; From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove__.harrison@___sun.com> ! Subject: Re: OT: Sun / Sparc  FUD 0 Message-ID: <cbe2n4$kdu$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   David Svensson wrote:    > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<cbbdsp$7ot$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...0 >  >>Rob Young wrote: >>s >>>In article <d5abdc5c04db282b037f56ec73425413@news.teranews.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:e >>>o >>> ^ >>>>>http://news.com.com/Fujitsu+revs+faster+server+chip/2100-1006_3-5242884.html?tag=nefd.top >>>>J >>>>Fujitsu unveils new SPARC chip at 1.89GHz with 3MB on-chip cache. 90nmR >>>>process. Will appear on servers later this year, sold by both Sun and Fujitsu.N >>>>Sun continues to have some Sparcs built by Texas Instruments (making SparcA >>>>available from multiple sources, something IA64 can't claim).F >>>>M >>>>Seems to me that such news kill any/all FUD that some have been spreading 7 >>>>about the lack of future of the Sparc architecture.e >>>t >>>gJ >>>	A year ago, there were 88 SPARC machines on the SuperComputer Top 500.: >>>	Today there are 3.  SPARC has slid off to irrelevance. >>>I
 >>>				Rob >>>a >>E >>Ohh my gosh, do you really think that the top 500 list is a measurep$ >>of the server industry as a whole. >  > F > I partly agree with you here, but top500 does to some degree reflectF > the popularity of an architecture as a whole. I am sure Sun would be? > much more happy if there were more SPARC systems on the list.-  3 History would suggest that your point is not valid.j  6 x86 for example spent years with only a tiny number of7 entries in the top500 list while being the most populara architecture as a whole.  5 SPARC is still the most popular 64bit platform but isg6 poorly represented in the top500 list and historically8 SPARC has always had a much smaller presence in the list$ than its market share would predict.   Regards2 Andrew Harrison2   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:14:35 +0100:; From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove__.harrison@___sun.com>@! Subject: Re: OT: Sun / Sparc  FUDa0 Message-ID: <cbe2hc$kbj$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote: > In article <cbbdsp$7ot$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: >  >>Rob Young wrote: >>s >>>In article <d5abdc5c04db282b037f56ec73425413@news.teranews.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:m >>>  >>> ^ >>>>>http://news.com.com/Fujitsu+revs+faster+server+chip/2100-1006_3-5242884.html?tag=nefd.top >>>>J >>>>Fujitsu unveils new SPARC chip at 1.89GHz with 3MB on-chip cache. 90nmR >>>>process. Will appear on servers later this year, sold by both Sun and Fujitsu.N >>>>Sun continues to have some Sparcs built by Texas Instruments (making SparcA >>>>available from multiple sources, something IA64 can't claim).- >>>>M >>>>Seems to me that such news kill any/all FUD that some have been spreadinge7 >>>>about the lack of future of the Sparc architecture.r >>>u >>> J >>>	A year ago, there were 88 SPARC machines on the SuperComputer Top 500.: >>>	Today there are 3.  SPARC has slid off to irrelevance. >>>a
 >>>				Rob >>>t >>E >>Ohh my gosh, do you really think that the top 500 list is a measure $ >>of the server industry as a whole. >  > : > 	Gee... you were pretty keen on the Top 500 at one time: > S > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3A1010FC.7C9F8399%40uk.sun.com&output=gplain  > 2 > From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsI' > Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:04:12 +0000  >  > 7 > In terms of number of systems in the top500 list its:m >  > 1.	IBM > 2.	Sun > 3.	SGI	 > 4.	Cray  > 5.	NEC > 6.	Fujitsu > 7.	HDS
 > 8	Compaq >   9 This was in response to a particularly inacurate peice ofc; BS from you about guess what Compaqs position in guess whath the HPC market.m  ; If you can find a single posting from me that suggests thato7 the top500 list is not a reasonable measure of how well ; suppliers are doing in the HPC market then please feel free  to post it.e  : If you can also find a single posting from me that goes on; to suggest that HPC has much relevance to the server markett* as a whole then also feel free to post it.  9 Inconsistency is one of your hallmarks starting with yourJ; abrupt change of religion within 24 hours of the Alphacide,p; perhaps because your opinions are so maleable you attributeP) this characteristic to others, who knows.n  ; However as always in our discussions we have now got to the-4 point where the facts intrude and refute your point.   Regardsn Andrew Harrisoni   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:03:33 GMT,- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>y! Subject: Re: OT: Sun / Sparc  FUD @ Message-ID: <683b75f58439faa39315381052462421@news.teranews.com>   David Svensson wrote: F > I partly agree with you here, but top500 does to some degree reflectF > the popularity of an architecture as a whole. I am sure Sun would be? > much more happy if there were more SPARC systems on the list.   N Top 500 doesn't reflect on popularity of a platform. The platform becomes moreL popular because of the visibility generated by having large presence in that  list. It is all about marketing.  J Which is why it would have been nice to see some ink about VMS/Alpha being present on that list.t  K Being on the top500 is the equivalent of car makers having entries in GrandmJ Prix races. Shows that the manufacturer has the knowledge and capablity toF build something really fast and performant, gives manufacturer lost ofL exposure and talk in the press. But the to general consumer, there is littleJ relationship between the car he/she drives and those cars fielded in Grand Prix races.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jun 2004 09:17:37 -0700' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson)z! Subject: Re: OT: Sun / Sparc  FUD = Message-ID: <734da31c.0406240817.6fe6546a@posting.google.com>o  s Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove__.harrison@___sun.com> wrote in message news:<cbe2n4$kdu$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...> > David Svensson wrote:c >  > > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<cbbdsp$7ot$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...o > >  > >>Rob Young wrote: > >>u > >>>In article <d5abdc5c04db282b037f56ec73425413@news.teranews.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:t > >>>S > >>>e` > >>>>>http://news.com.com/Fujitsu+revs+faster+server+chip/2100-1006_3-5242884.html?tag=nefd.top > >>>>L > >>>>Fujitsu unveils new SPARC chip at 1.89GHz with 3MB on-chip cache. 90nmT > >>>>process. Will appear on servers later this year, sold by both Sun and Fujitsu.P > >>>>Sun continues to have some Sparcs built by Texas Instruments (making SparcC > >>>>available from multiple sources, something IA64 can't claim).a > >>>>O > >>>>Seems to me that such news kill any/all FUD that some have been spreadings9 > >>>>about the lack of future of the Sparc architecture.a > >>>r > >>>sL > >>>	A year ago, there were 88 SPARC machines on the SuperComputer Top 500.< > >>>	Today there are 3.  SPARC has slid off to irrelevance. > >>>n > >>>				Rob > >>>  > >>G > >>Ohh my gosh, do you really think that the top 500 list is a measure2& > >>of the server industry as a whole. > >  > > H > > I partly agree with you here, but top500 does to some degree reflectH > > the popularity of an architecture as a whole. I am sure Sun would beA > > much more happy if there were more SPARC systems on the list.d > 5 > History would suggest that your point is not valid.  > 8 > x86 for example spent years with only a tiny number of9 > entries in the top500 list while being the most populars > architecture as a whole. > 7 > SPARC is still the most popular 64bit platform but is 8 > poorly represented in the top500 list and historically: > SPARC has always had a much smaller presence in the list& > than its market share would predict.   Sparc on top500... 2004  3  2003  9d 2002  88 2001  32 2000  92	 1999  113h	 1998  127y 1997  90 1996  16 1995  24 1994  51 1993  52  D Sparc was very popular in commercial server space in 1998/1999 whichE was reflected on top500. That popularity has declined since. More andeF more new installations use x86 in commercial server space and that has been accelerated since 2000.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:04:21 +0100a; From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove__.harrison@___sun.com>a! Subject: Re: OT: Sun / Sparc  FUDa0 Message-ID: <cbeu26$5kp$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Keith Parris wrote:sw > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<b695cacb9b15dde5e343e06de7161a9e@news.teranews.com>...t > I >>Compare this to VMS which has been in a long decline for over a decade.m >  > D > VMS over the past decade has had periods of decline interrupted byG > periods of growth. The last trough was right after 9/11; VMS has beenhC > growing since then -- quite strongly in recent quarters (and at af0 > average rate well above the industry average).  ? We have gone through this exhaustively before, OpenVMS revenuesa= excluding services currently run at between 50 and 60 milliong; a quarter, well below what most people would consider to beI= a level that ensures that the installed base of OpenVMS boxesc is increasing not decreasing..  > In addition because the base level is so incredibly low almost: any single major sale can appear as a massive growth spurt< despite a trend that is in reality one of long term decline.   RegardsA Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jun 2004 09:31:40 -0700' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson) ! Subject: Re: OT: Sun / Sparc  FUDH= Message-ID: <734da31c.0406240831.231c15ba@posting.google.com>   u JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<683b75f58439faa39315381052462421@news.teranews.com>...i > David Svensson wrote: H > > I partly agree with you here, but top500 does to some degree reflectH > > the popularity of an architecture as a whole. I am sure Sun would beA > > much more happy if there were more SPARC systems on the list.  > P > Top 500 doesn't reflect on popularity of a platform. The platform becomes moreN > popular because of the visibility generated by having large presence in that" > list. It is all about marketing.  C Yes and no, visibility on top500 is ofcourse positive, but it's noti6 all about marketing. You actually need performance andF price/performance to be competetive too and to be on the list. It does/ reflect popularity, not very much, but it does.i  L > Which is why it would have been nice to see some ink about VMS/Alpha being > present on that list.d   Well, you could hope. ;)  M > Being on the top500 is the equivalent of car makers having entries in Grand L > Prix races. Shows that the manufacturer has the knowledge and capablity toH > build something really fast and performant, gives manufacturer lost ofN > exposure and talk in the press. But the to general consumer, there is littleL > relationship between the car he/she drives and those cars fielded in Grand
 > Prix races.e  D Actually, the "supercomputers" of today are not impressive at all inB my mind. Most of them are just cheap boxes clustered together, notD rocket science anymore. The only interesting is when they use reallyD advanced network connection technology. A Cray is a Grand Prix racerE and the SGI machines are cool supercomputers, but a cluster is just aiD bunch of cheap Fiats, they should not be called supercomputers, they, should be called superclusters or something.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:02:01 +0200n From: jf.pieronne@laposte.nete% Subject: Re: Problem installing MySQLu2 Message-ID: <cbe1tg$lo7$1@news-reader5.wanadoo.fr>   healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:+ > I'm trying to install the MySQL kit from eN > http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/ and everything goes fine until O > Step 7 when I'm supposed to run "@[.MYSQL]MYSQL_PRIVILEGES".  It just hangs.  O > Trying to run the commands by hand show that it's hanging on the first mysql r
 > command:) >    CREATE DATABASE IF NOT EXISTS mysql;n > C > Does anyone have any ideas?  I've never messed with mysql before.? >  > 	Zane   N You have probably installed MySQL 4.1.2-alpha kit, don't use this version, it N is a know (VMS specific) problem I am working on (this why I haven't done any M announce about this version). I suspect a problem in [sql]sql_db.cc but as I b4 am currently out of my office, I can't do any tests.M This kit was just for people who want to try it on existing database and who l want to be adventurous :-)L Also current V4.1.* are known to have some serious problems (take a look at  the MySQL official site).   M I will probably need to put in another directory these kind of kits (sort of a
 EAK kits).  9 Instead use V4.0.20 which is the official stable version.    Sorry for any inconvenience.  
 Jean-Franois    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:09:14 +0000 (UTC)t6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)@ Subject: Re: program a serial port to UPS to detect power outage0 Message-ID: <newscache$8iuszh$u7u$1@news.sil.at>   In article <rdeininger-2306042030240001@user-105n9e0.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) writes:> >In article <4b6ec350.0406230856.39843bae@posting.google.com>,. >JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow) wrote:G >>- do others (you) use @SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN with the POWER OFF option?p   I use it daily (at home).r  F >Very few Alpha systems implement the firmware hooks to make POWER OFFE >work.  It's harmless to request that option on a system that doesn'tsG >support it, but check your specific system before you assume the powere
 >will go off.n  I Yup. eg. The PWS does support it, the XP1000 doesn't. It's harmless here.hM It's also sad, that SYSMAN on VAX doesn't support it, so you can't power downtK a (supported) Alpha from a VAX (only because SYSMAN on VAX wasn't updated).m   -- n Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERo% Network and OpenVMS system specialists E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jun 2004 23:58:07 -0700% From: vin@theworld.com (Vin McLellan)eC Subject: Re: RSA Secure ID  or other hardware token authentication?r= Message-ID: <1f85b7d9.0406232258.7b3ea132@posting.google.com>g  % When Hal Kuff queried the Listocracy:>  L > > > Anyone out there using Secure ID or another vendor's key FOB hardware + > > > token type authentication on OpenVMS?r  E Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com> replied that he relys upon ; the ACE/Agent support built into Multinet, and Bob CeculskiaC <bob@instantwhip.com> sang praise for SecurID support in TCPware --o9 both products from the Australian firm, Process Software.E  F RSA, for which I do some consulting, unfortunately dropped support forD the ACE/Agent for VMS two years ago, but the old VMS ACE/Agent still does yoeman service.  < You might, however, find another community of VMS users withA ACE/SecurID experience if you toss a query to the Radiator forum. D Radiator is a RADIUS server that runs on OpenVMS and supports nativeC SecurID authentication. (I think Radiator authenticates directly tol? the ACE/Server with an embedded ACE/Agent, sidestepping a proxy @ pass-through from Radiator to the somewhat limited RADIUS serverB embedded in the ACE/Server. In some environemnts, that offers some% security and performance advantages.))  + OSC's Radiator mailing list can be found att) <http://www.open.com.au/mailing.html> andi, <http://www.open.com.au/archives/radiator/>.   Surete,s         _Vin   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:43:09 +0200n2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)C Subject: Re: RSA Secure ID  or other hardware token authentication?l; Message-ID: <40db049d.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   & Vin McLellan (vin@theworld.com) wrote:; > both products from the Australian firm, Process Software.g  . Process Software is Framingham, MA, USA based.   cu,t   Martin -- iA  Your mouse has moved.     | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!d4  Windows must be restarted | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deG  for the change to take    |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/h;  effect. Reboot now? [OK]  | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:52:14 GMTe" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG0 Subject: Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP0 Message-ID: <00A33D59.65D95D92@SendSpamHere.ORG>  p In article <c6d8167bfcb4f333776c9cc92b0351be@news.teranews.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:" >VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:7 >>  30.0 MB       .MPG / MPEG-1 Movie            100.0% 7 >>  22.1 MB       .MOV / QuickTime Movie          73.7% 7 >>  12.1 MB       .AVI / AVI Movie                40.3%i7 >>   7.9 MB       .MP4 / MPEG-4 Movie             26.3%- >t >eI >What compression was used with Quicktime ? (quicktime supports differentd >compression software/scheme).  M I don't recall what it was set to when I did the above.  My point was that it M is possible to make a more cross platform compatible video and one that is ass! compact as the losey .WMV format.a    N >Note that .AVI is just as proprietary as .WMV (both from microsoft), althoughN >it is possible that .AVI is better documented and more "open" than .WMV which9 >is not far from real video in term of business practice.   N But, I can view a .AVI on the Powerbook.  And, IIRC, I believe the viewer thatM shipped with MMOV also did .AVI.  The .MP4 is a very good compression for theo> quality of the picture and I would wager far better than .WMV. -- eB http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.4 -- -K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             i5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" 4   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:34:27 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>-0 Subject: Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP0 Message-ID: <cbeopj$s1p$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:ao > bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message news:<d7791aa1.0406221722.193e6ad9@posting.google.com>...i > Z >>VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A33BCA.6247AC22@SendSpamHere.ORG>... >>: >>>Still, there's no reason for making it WEENDOZE only.   >>>-- E >>>http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityxF >>>                            solutions that others only claim to be. >> >>B >>why not windoze only ... it is fine as a client, but that is it! >  > : > whoa, whoa, whoa ... I said windoze as a client ONLY ...9 > not running the backend core business ... and there ares9 > thin clients now that run vt emulators (i.e. powerterm)f6 > that eliminate the need to virus scan (yahmail works4 > great for email) ... so what I am saying is to use7 > windoze for it is, a client to vms, and nothing more!l  
 Not quite.  8 The clients that run powerterm run WinCE which is itself5 vunerable to virii so you still need your virus scan.    Details details.   Regardst Andrew Harrisonn   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:38:24 +0100eO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>t0 Subject: Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP0 Message-ID: <cbep10$s3e$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:d\ > "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message news:<40D99A99.3010403@MMaz.com>... > I >>Un*x/Linux still exists and is growing, but I honestly have to believe 3J >>that the VMS people that have had problems finding work is because they / >>have refused to diversify their skill sets...p >> >>BarryV >  > 9 > why?  What vms people need to do is explain to the ceosn8 > and beancounters what vms is and how it can save their9 > company money!  You have to sell not only yourself, butl5 > vms!  Any job I took from day one would incorporateo9 > OpenVMS into that companies core background ... to give 7 > them the reliability and security they are now payingo7 > thru the nose to try to get, but aren't and can't ...h8 > If the owners can't understand that, then best to find9 > someone who does, or they will not be in business long!i  > The vast majority of companies do not use OpenVMS for anythingB at all and are by default still in business so your last claim is  demonstrably BS.  ; Nor will marching into any company and demanding an OpenVMS C only strategy with the threat of extinction if it isn't implimentede9 a tactic that will advance the sales of OpenVMS one iota.r   Regardsr Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:55:15 +0000 (UTC)83 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> - Subject: Re: Split I/Os to contiguous file??? 0 Message-ID: <cbeff2$il7$1@sparta.btinternet.com>   Hi,4  < Do you get split I/Os with only $QIO or $io_perform as well?   Regards Richard Mahers  7 Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in messageP' news:87n02zwa8t.fsf@prep.synonet.com...f( > gspamtackett@yahoo.com (Galen) writes: >rB > > My application performs write QIOWs to a single multi-gigabyteH > > contiguous file (created contiguous-best-try but actually contiguousA > > since it has only one mapping pointer in its header). MONITORt> > > PROCESS/TOPDIO shows that it is the only process doing any > > significant direct I/O.  > D > > When the application is running, MONITOR IO shows a high rate ofB > > split I/Os, about 200-300 per second. Using some browser-basedB > > instrumentation built into one of my disk controllers (a KZPDCG > > SmartArray 5304A) I can see that the largest I/O being performed at F > > the controller is only 256 blocks, while my application issues its2 > > QIOs for multiple thousands of blocks per I/O. >uA > You get split IOs for a) window turns, not an issue, you have 1eE > mapping pointer so it is fully mapped b) driver/HW size limits. ODSVG > states 64KB max for disks, plus you say there is a 256 block limit asnG > well so that WILL split your IOs c) quotas, but I can't at the momentsE > see that one biting you, you only have a few mongo IOs so the bytese# > used by IRPs etc would be modest.e >pF > In principle, MSCP drives should handle it in one hit, but I suspect3 > prudence and compatability have moderated things.  >i2 > (Is a single pointer window a Cathedral window?) >i > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.WB >                                              West Australia 6076, > comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot0 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H > EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 05:19:35 -0500 (CDT)  From: sms@antinode.org- Subject: TCPIP V5.3 - ECO 2 FTP server quirk?s) Message-ID: <04062405193579@antinode.org>   :    While looking (for something else) in my FTP server logD (SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$FTP]TCPIP$FTP_RUN.LOG), I noticed that someone= else ran into this behavior, shown here from the client side:    [...]o. 230 Guest login OK, access restrictions apply. FTP> cd wget/wget-1_9_1a_vms/ = 550-Failed to set default directory to wget/wget-1_9_1a_vms/.  550 bad directory file formatt FTP> cd wget/wget-1_9_1a_vms 250-CWD command successful.n 250 New default directory is. SYS$SYSDEVICE:[ANONYMOUS.WGET.WGET-1_9_1A_VMS] [...]P  F    The actual victim did not try dropping the trailing slash, and gave up, probably discouraged.r  B    Apparently, the trailing slash confuses someone, either the FTPG server itself or the underlying C RTL.  Assuming that this has not beenUC changed already in newer versions, it would seem to be a reasonableeH change to make.  I can imagine trouble with fancy ODS5 names, but if theF slash in the middle works, why should the trailing one cause trouble?   G    Note that evidence from the [C]SWS ("based on Apache") logs suggestssE that such a trailing slash is often required for HTTP, and this might 8 encourage/mislead one into offering it to an FTP server:E                                                                   vvv E 69.93.90.242 - - [21/Jun/2004:08:41:22 -0500] "GET /dec HTTP/1.1" 301i=  317 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0)" F                                                                    vvvF 69.93.90.242 - - [21/Jun/2004:08:41:23 -0500] "GET /dec/ HTTP/1.1" 200>  3200 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0)"  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-orgs    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.349 ************************