1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 28 Jun 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 355       Contents:( Re: Adaptive Enterprise (Flash Updated!)( Re: Adaptive Enterprise (Flash Updated!)( Re: Adaptive Enterprise (Flash Updated!)( Re: Adaptive Enterprise (Flash Updated!)( Re: Adaptive Enterprise (Flash Updated!)! Re: AlphaServer hardware question 
 CXX on VAX Re: CXX on VAX Re: delete directory recursive Re: delete directory recursive Re: delete directory recursive Re: delete directory recursive Re: delete directory recursive Re: delete directory recursive Re: delete directory recursive Re: delete directory recursive Re: delete directory recursive Re: delete directory recursive Re: delete directory recursive$ Re: DIRECTORY loops on specific file- Re: Does anyone have a working IDLE-MON.MAR ?  Re: DS20 from Tru64 to VMS Re: FTP Problem B Hardware question: 54-25151-03 (= SN-PBXGD-AA?) VMS-useful or not?0 Re: HXDRIVER VAX installation issues in OVMS 7.30 Re: HXDRIVER VAX installation issues in OVMS 7.30 Re: HXDRIVER VAX installation issues in OVMS 7.30 Re: HXDRIVER VAX installation issues in OVMS 7.30 Re: HXDRIVER VAX installation issues in OVMS 7.30 Re: HXDRIVER VAX installation issues in OVMS 7.39 Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article = Re: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article = RE: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article = Re: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article = Re: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article = Re: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article 0 Intel/HP wait for alpha team to save itanium ... jGRASP for OpenVMS Re: jGRASP for OpenVMS Re: jGRASP for OpenVMS Re: jGRASP for OpenVMS Re: jGRASP for OpenVMSG Re: Major Internet Attack Under Way (IIS hit; Apache/SWS on VMS immune)  Re: Mozilla 1.7  Re: Mozilla 1.7  Re: Mozilla 1.7  Re: Mozilla 1.7  Re: Mozilla 1.7 ) Re: Mozilla 1.7 [Crash with pdf download]  Re: NTP and NTPDATE  OpenVMS .... no news?  Re: OpenVMS .... no news?  Re: OpenVMS .... no news?  Re: OpenVMS .... no news? + OT: SIMH  =   Application Virtual Processor  Re: OT: Sun / Sparc  FUD/ Process quotas identical, but one machine fails 3 Re: Process quotas identical, but one machine fails 3 Re: Process quotas identical, but one machine fails " Re: RAID Array 450 and Controllers8 Re: Secure Web Server Version 2.0 available for download" SIMH VAX simulator on FreeBSD 4.10& Re: SIMH VAX simulator on FreeBSD 4.10" SIMH VAX simulator on FreeBSD 4.10& Re: SIMH VAX simulator on FreeBSD 4.10' Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP ' Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP ' Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP ' Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP ' Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP ' Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP ' Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP ' Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP ' Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP ' Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP ' Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP $ Re: Split I/Os to contiguous file???$ Re: Split I/Os to contiguous file??? Re: Supported fonts with CSWB? Re: Supported fonts with CSWB? Re: VAX  Spare Parts& Want to stroke Marge Simpson's pussy?!F Re: [OpenVMS, DECnet] How to do DECnet over - secure (ssh, ssl) - IP ?F Re: [OpenVMS, DECnet] How to do DECnet over - secure (ssh, ssl) - IP ?F Re: [OpenVMS, DECnet] How to do DECnet over - secure (ssh, ssl) - IP ?O Re: [OpenVMS, DECnet] How to do DECnet over - secure (ssh, ssl) - IP ? IP ?IP ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:10:27 GMT , From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net>1 Subject: Re: Adaptive Enterprise (Flash Updated!) - Message-ID: <np1Dc.117153$0y.34107@attbi_s03>   I I understand the frustration, Peter.  I live with it every day, but I try K not to seek out the negative in the midst of potential positive.  Yes there J have been screw ups, to use technical terminology.  But there are definite indications of improvement.    Dave...   C "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message + news:newscache$a6nuzh$mrd1$1@news.sil.at... ? > In article <1JLCc.92798$Hg2.51621@attbi_s04>, "Dave Gudewicz"  <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net> writes:C > >I say this is progress.  I see other signs of progress.  This is 	 positive.  > 	 > Indeed.  > I > >Some here always have their glass half-empty.  Try half-full sometime.  > L > If he hadn't complained, the glass would be really empty. Think of that... >  > --   > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:03:44 GMT , From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net>1 Subject: Re: Adaptive Enterprise (Flash Updated!) - Message-ID: <3j1Dc.109629$eu.80603@attbi_s02>    I agree with John.  I Or put another way, as an old friend once said:  "some would bitch if you  hung 'em with a new rope."  J Lighten up.  Chill.  Have a brewski.  Take a deep breath.  Count to 10, or even 11.   Have a nice weekend.    0 "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> wrote in message5 news:mSWCc.1125$e71.107@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com... < > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message< > news:79f8702d29d695f65b35cbb80cf76fb4@news.teranews.com... > > David J Dachtera wrote: K > > > Yes - any small step on the road to "recovery" is a gigantic triumph. 5 > > > How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time!  > > G > > Actually, since HP has not taken any truyly active steps to end the  > DECline ofJ > > VMS, it isn't a question yet of recovery, it is a question of stopping the 
 > DECline. > >  > = > It doesn't matter what HP does, you will complain about it.  >  > [snip] > > J > > It wasn't so long ago that Marcello had succeeded in turning the table and I > > instead of VMS getting axed, it got its "renaissance". All was great,  and H > > things were looking up. Then, when Compaq realised the success, thatD > > renaisaance was unceremoniously axed and things went back to the prevoius > K > Please point to ONE thing that Compaq did to axe the OpenVMS renaissance.  > G > > "ignore VMS in all presentations and no more marketing allowed" (of  > course, inI > > hindsight, with the upcoming demise of Alpha, it was no surprise that  theyL > > would want to stop growing a platform that had show such great potential > with > > such limited marketing). > > K > > When someone is set on a decision, he/she will take whatever actions to C > > justify and sustain that decision. When politicians were set on 
 destroying > the  > F > You're right about that, and you've decided that HP has some sort of secretD > plan to kill OpenVMS and nothing will change your mind about that. >  > John Vottero >  >    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 08:15:15 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)1 Subject: Re: Adaptive Enterprise (Flash Updated!) 1 Message-ID: <newscache$wnpwzh$3s02$1@news.sil.at>   \ In article <np1Dc.117153$0y.34107@attbi_s03>, "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net> writes:J >I understand the frustration, Peter.  I live with it every day, but I tryL >not to seek out the negative in the midst of potential positive.  Yes thereK >have been screw ups, to use technical terminology.  But there are definite  >indications of improvement.  H Yes. And the improvements I see are all technical (and this is good so).B But most of them are to reach a "me too" situation in these areas.  8 The marketing situation hasn't improved (at least here).J And the customers still try to get rid of VMS as fast as they can (even inL the key markets like finance and health) to "save costs" by "consolidation".  J VMS applications are now (maybe very important) islands, but unfortunatelyJ no longer company strategic. More than ten years of VMS punching did work.F There is no longer VMS in any school or university in Austria I heard.L I really do hope that this is wrong (but if it's right it is no surprise)...  G A lot of oppurtunities for VMS marketing are still there (and ignored).   L And don't think I'm personally affected. I lost my last job because of this.5 Now I've a better one. With VMS. But I'm not blind...    -Peter  K PS: On the DECUS Germany (where Austria is/was a LUG :-) events (where over K 90% of the attendants have or at least know VMS) over the last years, there K have been (yearly) sessions called "VMS in the press" and "discussions with L the [DEC/CPQ/HP Germany] board" and every time they told such a b**sh*t thatG the auditorium laughed loud or complained or simply proofed them wrong. E Last year the "discussion with the board" was even without members of > the board. And this year a HP Usergroup Austria was founded... --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:07:47 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>1 Subject: Re: Adaptive Enterprise (Flash Updated!) + Message-ID: <40DE1DE2.F1E7B54A@comcast.net>    Dave Gudewicz wrote: > K > I understand the frustration, Peter.  I live with it every day, but I try M > not to seek out the negative in the midst of potential positive.  Yes there L > have been screw ups, to use technical terminology.  But there are definite > indications of improvement.    I agree with that assessment!   E Funny thing - I once lived with an alcoholic, suicidal depressive. In E her case, simple things that most of us take for granted - like going H two weeks without alcohol - was one of the great triumphs of her life at that stage.   G I tend to view VMS the same way. While this may be a small thing, it is  a tremendous triumph.   ? The next question is: will it stick? ...or will they backslide?   ? I'll forego the potential for a soap-opera ending here and just 	 sign-off.    D.J.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:20:51 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>1 Subject: Re: Adaptive Enterprise (Flash Updated!) + Message-ID: <40DE20F3.5EAAE8BA@comcast.net>    John Smith wrote:  >  > Dave Gudewicz wrote:D > > I say this is progress.  I see other signs of progress.  This is
 > > positive.  > > J > > Some here always have their glass half-empty.  Try half-full sometime. > L > S, is carly(tm) going to re-launch the campaign now that VMS is mentioned?M > Is she going to stand up in front of the media, analysts, and customers and 3 > make that all-important first-impression for VMS?  >  > Not bloody likely. > F > Face it, HP fucked up royally, and continues to do the same each andM > everytime it has an opportunity to do so. But before you accuse me of being F > negative, just think of this as an opportunity for HP to improve its# > marketing and advertising of VMS.  > L > HP kind of reminds me of Thomas Edison, who once said about his efforts atK > finding the perfect light bulb filament, "I have not failed 1000 times. I K > have successful found 1000 ways that do not work." Seems to me like HP is N > deliberately trying to find all 1000 ways to fail at OpenVMS advertising and > marketing. > M > Maybe HP's slogan "Invent" really means "let's invent 1000 ways to kill VMS  > in the market."   H ...or think of it in the same frame as the early development of a child.D This is valid, since many of these folks do not ever remember a timeD when VMS was marketed. So, for them, it's a "first step" or a "firstC word", or their first ride on the bike without the training wheels.   ? Odd thing about the way we learn: sometimes, we must deduce the C successful course by exhausting the possibilities for failure. When C there's no more ways to fail, the only course remaining is success.   F Now, that's not a course I would recommend, but if that's the only wayF they can learn, well, let them learn the lesson their way. Eventually,G they'll run out of ways to avoid marketing VMS, and they'll be "trapped  by success" with no escape.   B As I've said before, it seems incomprehsible to anyone with even aD minimum of business savvy, but some folks simply have to be dragged,E kicking and screaming, all the to the bank to deposit their new-found A profits. Either they feel they don't deserve them, or they had to F compromise their principles and give in to someone else's idea to earnD those profits, or whatever "bug they have up their ass". In the end,F they evenutally did the right thing and earned the profits. That's all' that will matter in the final analysis.   H Until they reach that final epiphany, like the reticent child, they willD be intolerable. Expect it. Don't be co-dependent, just deal with it.C Accept that at times we will lose our patience and our tempers with F them. This is to be expected. Until the inevitable happens, all we can4 do at the end of our rope is tie a knot and hang on.   D.J.D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 02:24:04 GMT % From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> * Subject: Re: AlphaServer hardware question7 Message-ID: <8dqDc.1603$9l5.1136@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>   5 Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message ! news:cbgqkk$4sa$1@lore.csc.com...  > TANSTAAFL wrote: > > G > > I have a fully loaded AlphaServer 2100A RM.  The documentation says G > > only one power supply is need to support a fully configured server. 1 > > This one has a second one for n+1 redundancy.  > > G > > Each power supply handles 120V with a maximum current of 10A.  Both A > > power supplies will be supported by the same circuit.  If the J > > consumption would not exceed one the capability of one power supply, I$ > > do not need a 20A circuit right? >  > Arguably you are correct.  > J > The power supplies are switching, so basically, if one supply draws 10A,I > then two will share the load and draw just 5A each. There is some small 6 > overhead of course because it is not 100% efficient. > I > HOWEVER, lets talk electrics. NEVER NEVER expect to constantly draw the J > rated current load from wiring. This is the way to electrical fires. TheI > supply should have at least *double* the expected maximum total current F > draw for the circuit, ideally 2.5 times. In the UK this is backed up4 > with a ring type circuit for multiple connections. > H > In your case, I would have a 32A breaker, and wiring cable of carryingH > 40A plus, the breaker must ALWAYS act lower than the total capacity of
 > the wiring.  > I > So in your case, lets say your system develops an electrical fault, and G > tries to draw 20A. What would happen? Would a breaker or fuse trip at C > less than 20A? Or would the wiring go into meltdown and overheat?  > - > That is what you need to be concerned with.  >   K Plus you need to consider the power-on surge current.  Your normal load may J be 10A.  But your power-on surge may be 20A.  And you system may not startE up correctly if it cannot draw all of that power when you turn it on.    > --A > Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  > nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:43:33 +0200 ! From: Soterro <soterroatyahoocom>  Subject: CXX on VAX 9 Message-ID: <40dff5ea$0$326$4d4ef98e@read.news.ch.uu.net>    Hello,  F I have the feeling that the latest CXX version available for VAXen is @ 5.6, and I'm pretty unhappy with it (and the way it handles the # only-later-standardized-templates). , Am I right? Is there any 6.x release on VAX?  
 Thanks a lot,  S    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 16:57:51 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: CXX on VAX 1 Message-ID: <newscache$g6310i$7d61$1@news.sil.at>   ] In article <40dff5ea$0$326$4d4ef98e@read.news.ch.uu.net>, Soterro <soterroatyahoocom> writes: G >I have the feeling that the latest CXX version available for VAXen is  A >5.6, and I'm pretty unhappy with it (and the way it handles the  $ >only-later-standardized-templates). >Am I right?  : Are you right that you're unhappy with it ? Don't know ;-)  F There is (at least) an MUP C for CXX V5.6 which brings it to V5.6-023.  ! >Is there any 6.x release on VAX?   	 AFAIK No.    See T http://www1.aclabs.com/MasterIndex/final_spl_vmsvax_q204/final_spl_vmsvax_q204.shtml   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jun 2004 19:36:33 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: delete directory recursive 3 Message-ID: <PBoQ$KUEGlxw@eisner.encompasserve.org>   F In article <10dbabjm78ufl7c@corp.supernews.com>, Z <z@no.spam> writes: > ? > But that still leaves us with the unpleasant fact that VMS is ; > missing a feature that many consider standard for an o/s.   ?   Just explain to them that VMS is not the first OS they should 1   choose if they desire to loose all their files.   1   If it doens't sink in, let it be thier problem.    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jun 2004 19:38:59 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: delete directory recursive 3 Message-ID: <PtjeugANYOV$@eisner.encompasserve.org>   F In article <10dbdfu941f6jaf@corp.supernews.com>, Z <z@no.spam> writes: > ? > Aren't INITIALIZE, DISMOUNT, DELETE [...] (and many other VMS ) > commands) just as dangerous as DELTREE?   >    No.  An unprivileged user can't use INITIALIZE or DISMOUNT.  H    Only DELETE has all the dangers of DELTREE, and then it intentionally+    makes you work just a little bit harder.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 12:17:53 -0400 " From: Glenn Everhart <gce@gce.com>' Subject: Re: delete directory recursive 3 Message-ID: <40dda1f4$0$3015$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>   D Some places management finally started to realize open source is not evil...   G One argument: if you claim with commercial software you have someone to H sue if they don't support you, go reread your license agreement. You can" get back purchase price. Big deal.  G Another: Even for the expensive commercial stuff, we ALWAYS go to other H users first for support; the manufacturer is generally a last resort andN not always productive. (There are some notable exceptions who do well though.)  E Support and ongoing maintenance is another risk that must be weighed. F The availability of sources gives you one more way to retire that riskB if the author loses interest of course. Even escrow for commercial5 code is worse: sometimes bankruptcy courts tie it up.    Hein wrote:   A >>Some of us VMS users can't use freeware on our enterprise class . >>systems.  The liability is simply too great. >>0 >>So no matter how good DFU is, we can't use it. >  > 9 > Yeah, you mentioned that before. Hard to accept though. > > I wouldn't want to work for a company with such rigid rules.I > So they prefer to have a quit possibly overworked and  underexperienced M > system manager/operator dream up a 'best effort' possibly flaky DCL script, N > over some freeware that likely got serious thinking cycles, evaluations, and% > exposure to mutlipel circumstances. 	 > Hmmm...  >  >  >>Let's see... >>A >>If I called HP Software Support and said "It seems that DFU has C >>corrupted the file structure on one of my disks" would HP fix the ? >>problem?  Or would HP say that DFU is not supported software?  >  > L > So what if your home grown scripts takes a bite out of soem valuable filesN > ( maybe because if couldn't store a temp file, of a file name conflict or anM > accidental default directory / missing logical ). Do you think HP will feel   > obliged to help you with that? > I > Several observations using DFU as example, but not restricted to DFU...  > I > 1)  I can understand not being allowed to take a random executable, who G > knows what else you pull in. But the stuff we talk about either comes I > directly on the VMS distro, or indirectly through an HP cut CD or an HP  > managed web-site.  > J > 2) For the freeware you have the sources. Rebuild from source instead of > using the executable >  > 3) Risk management.  > J > 3A) First level (no brainer?) How can there be anything wrong/risks withL > using say DFU to find badly fragmented files, or my rms_tune_check to peek > at indexed files.  > L > 3B) Second level (a little harder). If you use DFU to change the disk, butN > it uses 'natural access'. DEL/TREE would fall under this. If that goes wrongN > it could (would?!) have just as easily gone wrong with 'normal' alternativesM > (backup/delete in this example). My rms_indexedfile_backup might be in this  > space. > D > 3C) Third level... if you believe the tool uses something 'smart'/K > bruteforce to provide functions which the system does not have. Maybe DFU N > defrag (old versions) or DFU directory compress. Now (IMHO) you accepted the$ > risk that you can lose a directoryM > and you should have a backup plan, but you shoudl also know that you can at G > worst lose a directory which will inconvenience you, but you will not I > actually lose the datafiles. Those would just be harder to get at for a  > while.K > My 'zap' tool to tweak a first or next bucket might be considered in this J > space allthough you would be using that on an already broken file. Maybe, > Norm's 'journal snap' is a better example. > L > Admittedly it is a tough call to recognize from the outside whether a toolM > would use a standard tool or api (and thus supported!) for an VMS function, A > or whether it hacks data structures it is not supposed to touch L > (unsupported). That's where having access to the sources might help again. > G > Anyway, none of this matters, as my job is not on the line, yours is. J > You have to live by the rules. I'm just thinking aloud which arguments IG > woudl possibly use to try and change those rules to make the business - > potentially more effective and profittable.  >  > 	 > Cheers,  > Hein.  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 12:37:26 -0400 " From: Glenn Everhart <gce@gce.com>' Subject: Re: delete directory recursive 3 Message-ID: <40dda67b$0$3017$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>   K I should think the one reason delete or back/delete/group:0/nocrc would not J suffice would be huge directories, where the resorting that can take place7 as individual files are deleted causes large slowdowns.   L Something that just fires off io$_delete to each file ID, with the directoryN locked so nobody sees what is up, and then deletes the directories, would seem to be what is needed here.  M Doesn't DFU do this? Or is the directory locking part not quite there? If DFU 2 has it, then VMS has it. It is shipped these days.  M It WOULD be nicer if the "internal" version were released instead; its defrag K was fast and highly effective. It did not know anything about usage recency P or frequency, so DFO does things it does not, but for just collecting free spaceN into big chunks and making files mostly contiguous, it worked in my experience
 just fine.  N Let this be an urging of the Powers that Be to think about this. If DFO is notN a significant separate revenue generator, the excuse of not wanting to compete with it seems passe.   Glenn Everhart  * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:  b > In article <40D8E394.AEB203C0@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: >  >>"Craig A. Berry" wrote:  >>I >>>Making no claim about what various sites will or won't allow, I merely D >>>point out that sites with Perl installed have yet another option: >>> B >>>$ perl -e "use File::Path; rmtree(\@ARGV,1,0);" dev:[dir] file1
 >>>dev:[dir2] 	 >>>[snip]  >>  >>1. Perl does not ship with VMS >>2. Perl is "freeware" 4 >>3. Perl is not "supported" any more/less than DFU. >>G >>So, the OP likely can't use it. (I know - there's no way to make that " >>"right", but whaddaya gonna do?) >  > L > Actually, I think CSWS_PERL would be supported, the same way CSWS is - you > can log service calls, etc.  > 	 > -- Alan  >    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:48:46 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)' Subject: Re: delete directory recursive $ Message-ID: <cbkuge$u2r$1@online.de>  9 In article <40da3758$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "heuveltjes" # <heuveltjes@email.msn.com> writes:     > M > "Z" <z@no.spam> wrote in message news:10dbabjm78ufl7c@corp.supernews.com...  > > Larry Kilgallen wrote:D > > > So if you cannot use a freely available DCL command procedure,G > > > write your own.  The overhead of using DCL rather than a compiled D > > > language is insignificant compared to the overhead of deleting > > > files. > > ? > > Yes, that's an option.  And, now, looking back, we probably  > > should have done that. > > A > > But that still leaves us with the unpleasant fact that VMS is = > > missing a feature that many consider standard for an o/s.  > ? > Over lunch I had a change to alert Andy G to this discussion. ; > He agrees it is time to address this. The need is proven. > > Yeah DEL/TREE woudl be 'dangerous', but so is DEL [...]*.*.* > VMS DELETE would probably 8 > - have to walk the tree 'the right way' (leaves first)L > - honor file protection (if you do no have the right to delete a file, you > can not delete it. Duh!)D > - delete directories if they are empty, and only if they are emptyM > - 'ignore' directory file protection if the process has the right to change  > that protection.  I I disagree on this last point, if I understand you correctly.  The way I  B think it should be, with BYPASS it should be able to "ignore" the D protection on the directory, but not with just SETPRV (at least not ! without an additional qualifier).    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 19:54:23 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>' Subject: Re: delete directory recursive + Message-ID: <40DE1ABF.17BB7733@comcast.net>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > ; > In article <40da3758$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "heuveltjes" $ > <heuveltjes@email.msn.com> writes: >  > > O > > "Z" <z@no.spam> wrote in message news:10dbabjm78ufl7c@corp.supernews.com...  > > > Larry Kilgallen wrote:F > > > > So if you cannot use a freely available DCL command procedure,I > > > > write your own.  The overhead of using DCL rather than a compiled F > > > > language is insignificant compared to the overhead of deleting > > > > files. > > > A > > > Yes, that's an option.  And, now, looking back, we probably  > > > should have done that. > > > C > > > But that still leaves us with the unpleasant fact that VMS is ? > > > missing a feature that many consider standard for an o/s.  > > A > > Over lunch I had a change to alert Andy G to this discussion. = > > He agrees it is time to address this. The need is proven. @ > > Yeah DEL/TREE woudl be 'dangerous', but so is DEL [...]*.*.* > > VMS DELETE would probably : > > - have to walk the tree 'the right way' (leaves first)N > > - honor file protection (if you do no have the right to delete a file, you > > can not delete it. Duh!)F > > - delete directories if they are empty, and only if they are emptyO > > - 'ignore' directory file protection if the process has the right to change  > > that protection. > J > I disagree on this last point, if I understand you correctly.  The way IC > think it should be, with BYPASS it should be able to "ignore" the E > protection on the directory, but not with just SETPRV (at least not # > without an additional qualifier).   G I took it as meaning if you have sufficient privilege thaht you could - E if you wanted to - change the protection of a directory, he thinks it G should assume that the protection has already been changed to allow the C deletion. Sort of side-stepping file protection masks, but still an  interesting question.   H That is, I may have control access to directory, even though I currentlyH don't have delete "permission" (for example: 1. I have SYSPRV and do notC own the directory, but the System portion of the parent directory's D protection mask is curently RWE - I can change the protection of theE directory, but do not currently have Delete permission. 2. The ACL of E the directory (and its parent) contains an ACE that grants me control " access, same protection scenario).   D.J.D.   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jun 2004 07:25:49 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)' Subject: Re: delete directory recursive < Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0406270625.b98eba6@posting.google.com>  ] Glenn Everhart <gce@gce.com> wrote in message news:<40dda67b$0$3017$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>... M > I should think the one reason delete or back/delete/group:0/nocrc would not L > suffice would be huge directories, where the resorting that can take place9 > as individual files are deleted causes large slowdowns.   @ BACKUP/DELETE does not suffer from directory block shuffling. ItF deletes files in reverse order (or very close to it) and so is in mostD cases much faster than DELETE [...]*.*;*. There is a delay, however,F as the files get copied to NLA0: and, IIRC, none of the .DIR files get deleted.  ? Still, DFU is the faster directory tree deleter, but it has the B disadvantage that if you abort it before it finishes, you are left@ with a real mess requiring, in general, repeated applications of
 ANAL/DISK.   [...]    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:19:40 -0400 - From: "heuveltjes" <heuveltjes@email.msn.com> ' Subject: Re: delete directory recursive , Message-ID: <40df9044$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  L "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>/ wrote in message news:cbkuge$u2r$1@online.de... ; > In article <40da3758$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "heuveltjes"    : H > > - 'ignore' directory file protection if the process has the right to change > > that protection. > J > I disagree on this last point, if I understand you correctly.  The way IC > think it should be, with BYPASS it should be able to "ignore" the E > protection on the directory, but not with just SETPRV (at least not # > without an additional qualifier).   L The goal would be (or at least should be IMHO!) to NOT use BYPASS or SETPRV.I Those are dangerous privs that should not be needed to deal with your own  files.  @ A simple user can create directories without switches and stuff.8 Thus a simple user should be able to delete them (IMHO).  @ Right now we make that user jump through a "SET PROT" hoop. Why?K I suspect this is because once upon a time the system was willing to delete  a directory that was not empty. L Default delete protection on directories is unnatural, un-vms, bogus, broken imho again. L I guess we have to live with that know , allthough I'd like to put it up for discussion.   C I believe we can at least deal with the most annoying aspect of the 2 directory delete protection... during tree delete.K I admit it does create a problem where one really meant to delete protect a 
 directory.J How to tell the difference between a default protect and a deliberate one. That's not possible.K One ugly but effective workaourd would be to enter a non-deleteable file in 
 leaves. Yuck.   > [Just thinking aloud, without any resposibility in this space]   Hein.    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jun 2004 08:32:47 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ' Subject: Re: delete directory recursive 3 Message-ID: <i1Ryf8KgqP2q@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <40df9044$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "heuveltjes" <heuveltjes@email.msn.com> writes:  B > Right now we make that user jump through a "SET PROT" hoop. Why?   Doing a single  " 	SET PROTECTION ddcu:[dir...]*.DIR   before  8 	DELETE ddcu:[dir...]*.*;*,;*,;*,;*,;*,;*,;*,;*,;*,;*,;*  $ does not seem like much of a burden.  M > I suspect this is because once upon a time the system was willing to delete ! > a directory that was not empty.   < That may be the basis for the following, but not that above.  N > Default delete protection on directories is unnatural, un-vms, bogus, broken
 > imho again.   @ But I _want_ the ability to protect my files against inadvertent@ deletion by _me_ (even though I do wish it were easier to choose directory protection).  N > I guess we have to live with that know , allthough I'd like to put it up for
 > discussion.r  C Yes, backward compatibility of security controls is crucial to VMS.p   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jun 2004 08:15:25 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)' Subject: Re: delete directory recursiven= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0406280715.56291109@posting.google.com>e  a "heuveltjes" <heuveltjes@email.msn.com> wrote in message news:<40df9044$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>...c [...]cB > Right now we make that user jump through a "SET PROT" hoop. Why?M > I suspect this is because once upon a time the system was willing to deleted! > a directory that was not empty.cN > Default delete protection on directories is unnatural, un-vms, bogus, broken
 > imho again.AN > I guess we have to live with that know , allthough I'd like to put it up for
 > discussion.A  B Well, the current way ensures that the user knows that directoriesB will be affected. Perhaps a user forgot he had a certain importantC subdirectory. With RWE as the default protection, it encourages theuD user to be careful about deleting. For example, suppose a user wantsD to move all files from a directory to another directory, but doesn'tF want to move the subdirectories. RWE ensures that the user is aware ofA said subdirectories. On whether this is worth it or not I have nou comment.  D Another advantage of RWE was for the pre-v6.2 BACKUP system manager.B Doing incremental restore operations with older versions of BACKUPB could get rather involved if many .DIR files were renamed or movedF during the sequence of incremental saves. RWE discouraged the renaming and moving of directories.  E > I believe we can at least deal with the most annoying aspect of the 4 > directory delete protection... during tree delete.M > I admit it does create a problem where one really meant to delete protect a  > directory.L > How to tell the difference between a default protect and a deliberate one. > That's not possible.M > One ugly but effective workaourd would be to enter a non-deleteable file inT > leaves. Yuck.c  D Well, if the default protection for .DIR files were changed to RWED,( it would be easy to tell the difference.   [...]e   JMHO   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 15:55:33 GMTl> From: "Jerome Forissier" <Jerome.Forissier@_no_._spam_.hp.com>' Subject: Re: delete directory recursiveX2 Message-ID: <VbXDc.4848$ty7.3005@news.cpqcorp.net>  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:i1Ryf8KgqP2q@eisner.encompasserve.org...a; > In article <40df9044$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "heuveltjes"H" <heuveltjes@email.msn.com> writes: >sD > > Right now we make that user jump through a "SET PROT" hoop. Why? >n > Doing a single >l# > SET PROTECTION ddcu:[dir...]*.DIRe >l > before >e9 > DELETE ddcu:[dir...]*.*;*,;*,;*,;*,;*,;*,;*,;*,;*,;*,;*H > & > does not seem like much of a burden. >eH > > I suspect this is because once upon a time the system was willing to delete# > > a directory that was not empty.  > > > That may be the basis for the following, but not that above. >eI > > Default delete protection on directories is unnatural, un-vms, bogus,m broken > > imho again.V > B > But I _want_ the ability to protect my files against inadvertentB > deletion by _me_ (even though I do wish it were easier to choose > directory protection). >nL > > I guess we have to live with that know , allthough I'd like to put it up fore > > discussion.  >?E > Yes, backward compatibility of security controls is crucial to VMS.-  I I second that. In my opinion, the new /RECURSIVE qualifier should just dokG what it means, i.e., recurse through the directory hierarchy, but _not_ I override any protection. This should be the purpose of a /FORCE qualifieri (or /OVERRIDE or whatever).e   --   Jerome   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 11:23:15 -0400h" From: Glenn Everhart <gce@gce.com>- Subject: Re: DIRECTORY loops on specific filen3 Message-ID: <40dd9525$0$3029$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>A  H This behavior also happens with CDs from PCs sometimes. When directoriesB contain characters illegal in ISO9660 (like "~") you can get that.  G I had assumed this was some misbehavior in the ISO9660 ACP, but perhapspG it is in common file support code. BTW I do not know if 7.3-2 still hase
 the behavior.m   Glenn Everhart   Bradford J. Hamilton wrote:a^ > In article <04062112192134@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) writes:M > !I have never seen this before and thought I would share it with the group.e > !sO > !I executed a DIRECTORY command (/OUTPUT=) on a directory structure the other L > !day and it ran for 18 hours - then I interrupted it - running out of diskJ > !space.  I thought I had millions of files on the disk.  So I thought... > !:E > !I ran DFU and found only 400,000 (give or take) files on the disk.6 > !tR > !Investigating a bit further I found that the DIRECTORY command was looping on a > !specific file:  > !  > !$ DIRECTORY e > !... > !iS > !RVD_START2680DD04.OUT;2901                     2/18       9-FEB-2004 10:57:31.39  > !...S > !RVD_START2680DD04.OUT;1561                     2/18       9-FEB-2004 02:05:43.5477 > !RVD_START2680DD04.OUT;32767             no such fileeS > !RVD_START2680DD04.OUT;2901                     2/18       9-FEB-2004 10:57:31.39s > !...S > !RVD_START2680DD04.OUT;1561                     2/18       9-FEB-2004 02:05:43.54c7 > !RVD_START2680DD04.OUT;32767             no such filelS > !RVD_START2680DD04.OUT;2901                     2/18       9-FEB-2004 10:57:31.39c > !... > ! = > !Then it would go over and over ... well you get the point.o > ! . > !Just thought I would share this with you... > !  > !Alpha/VMS V7.1-2e > 
 > Hi John, > O > I saw the exact same behavior last year on a V7.1-2 machine; I got rid of theeQ > *.*;32767 file, and the behavior disappeared.  I did not pursue the matter witho% > HP, since the OS version was "old".n >  > !h > !w > !J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n > !VMS Systems Administrator- > !firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.coma > L > __________________________________________________________________________C > Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own"eM > bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-'  2 >                                          with @"   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 03:17:02 +0200t9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 6 Subject: Re: Does anyone have a working IDLE-MON.MAR ?' Message-ID: <40DE200E.96E78776@aaa.com>   > You don't say if you already have, but take a look at WATCHER. It can be found here :< http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?WATCHER  	 Jan-Erik.O   Lawrence Bleau wrote:h > M > I'm following up an earlier post in which I asked for assistance in getting-L > the DECUS FINGER program to report idle times.  After some more digging, II > discovered the file IDLE-MON_VAX.MAR with my (old) FINGER distribution.aJ > The filename indicates it was designed for the VAX.  Does anyone know ifL > this will work on the Alpha, and for the current release of VMS and TCPIP? > K > If you want me to post the source code, I will.  Better yet, I've made itt > available at > / > http://umtof.umd.edu/~bleau/idle-mon_vax.htmle > J > If you don't know what IDLE-MON_VAX is, it's a Macro program that puts aI > few lines of code into nonpaged pool and changes the TTDRIVER to invokeeH > those lines as part of a character read or write operation.  The extraL > lines access the current system absolute time and save it in the UCB entryM > UCB$L_DUETIM.  This value is thus the time that the last character was read G > from or written to the terminal.  FINGER/IDLE accesses this entry andaL > subtracts out the system time to get the time since the last terminal i/o, > hence the idle period. > F > Also, since this was designed well before the current TCPIP's TelnetM > driver, does anyone know if it will work for TNA devices?  Should it be runs# > before or after TCPIP is started?  >  > Thanks, all. >  > Lawrence Bleau > University of Maryland$ > Physics Dept., Space Physics Group > 301-405-6223 > bleau@umtof.umd.edus   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:25:15 GMTd From: dittman@dittman.nete# Subject: Re: DS20 from Tru64 to VMSa6 Message-ID: <%vYDc.13853$x9.9565@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>  8 Claude Marinier <claude.marinier@drdc-rddc.gc.ca> wrote:F > I have a KZPCM-DX but it also says Intra Server ITI 4280UE (nothing I > else). I will cannibalize an older system and use its SCSI controller.  J > We will see if that does it (it will be Monday by the time I get to it).  C I'm not sure the the KZPCM-DX is the VMS/Tru64 version.  I know theh KZPCM-DA has the correct ROMs.  F If the KZPCM-DX does have the correct ROMs, it may not work if someone< has flashed the ROMs to a newer non-DEC version of firmware. -- V Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jun 2004 06:21:29 -07004 From: chakravarthula.prashanth@patni.com (Prashanth) Subject: Re: FTP Problem= Message-ID: <e8f22085.0406280521.76690579@posting.google.com>g   Hi ,  D Thanks for the reply. Well i did not understand the stmt "FTP client; using on VMS". Okie let me explain you briefly the problem.r  C We have two systems one NT and other is VMS(alpha). We do  a manual F FTP to get a Data file from NT machine to VMS machine. Once it done we? run a .com script to do the further job(Loading into respectingt% Database with these FTP'd Data file).e  2 While doing the FTP we set mode as ASCII transfer  &aE select the option in FTP tool i.e 'Strip CTRL-Z from the end of filese sent to Server',  > My .com script will execute if and only if the above option is checked.  B Now we are removing the manual (FTP'ng) process and automating theE same. Now while doing the FTP how can i set the preference i.e 'Stripy- CTRL-Z from the end of files sent to Server'?   C Are there any other command line parameters for FTP to do the same.-  8 I would be very thankful if you suggest me for the same.   Thanks in Advance.   Regardss	 Prashanth.  h Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<NLzmGSxuj34J@eisner.encompasserve.org>...v > In article <e8f22085.0406240135.5af3a607@posting.google.com>, chakravarthula.prashanth@patni.com (Prashanth) writes: > > Hi All,  > > M > > Some files *.dmp gets generated with Ctrl-Z at the end of the file on the G > > windows/NT platform. This ctrl-Z must be removed while FTP to alpha?J > > m/c(VAX/VMS). In FTP programs there is an option to strip ctrl-Z while
 > > ftp'ing. a > > B > > I wanted to know if there are any options in ftp command whichN > > enable the stripping of ctrl-Z. We are writing a com script on VAX/VMS and! > > getting the files from WinNT.  > J > You will get more accurate answers if you specify which of the (4 or so)# > FTP clients you are using on VMS.n   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:43:59 -0500 (CDT)e From: sms@antinode.orgK Subject: Hardware question: 54-25151-03 (= SN-PBXGD-AA?) VMS-useful or not? ) Message-ID: <04062518435899@antinode.org>d  F    Is the PCI graphics card with DEC part number 54-25151-03 (possiblyG SN-PBXGD-AA) good for anything on any VMS Alpha system?  Restrictions? s0 In the SPD I saw only the -AD and -AE mentioned.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-orgh    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547e   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jun 2004 20:26:48 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 9 Subject: Re: HXDRIVER VAX installation issues in OVMS 7.3 3 Message-ID: <BpNdhBUeCmFb@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  s In article <102eae4e.0406242118.1fe62baf@posting.google.com>, bruce.stafford@sbcglobal.net (Bruce Stafford) writes:f > / > The HX014.A file is the kit for this driver. l  :    That is a BACKUP save set for sys$update:vmsinstal.com.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jun 2004 01:48:41 -07003 From: bruce.stafford@sbcglobal.net (Bruce Stafford)s9 Subject: Re: HXDRIVER VAX installation issues in OVMS 7.3s= Message-ID: <102eae4e.0406260048.6bbb6706@posting.google.com>l  Z "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message news:<40DBBB64.7080708@MMaz.com>... > Bruce Stafford wrote:o > ] > >"Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message news:<40DAE607.1070505@MMaz.com>...h > >    > >e > >>Bruce Stafford wrote:e > >>     > >>H > >>>I have a MicroVAX 3500 with a DRQ3B Q-Bus interface card installed.F > >>>Had trouble getting older VAX disks and am using SCSI-1 disks andF > >>>CDROM devices via a third party Q-Bus to SCSI-1 Interface module.D > >>>Disks and CDROM work fine, however have had trouble loading theH > >>>HXDRIVER v1.4 from CDROM. Note that SCSI interface card uses vectorG > >>>300, so DRQ3B card is set for 310. Have license already installed. J > >>>Documentation claims that driver will work with v5.5 and up VMS. DoesB > >>>anyone have experience with VMS v7.3 with this HXDRIVER v1.4? > >>>wA > >>>Install goes fine, but does not create the HXDRIVER.exe. ThemC > >>>HX$LOAD.COM file can be run manually and should start a SYSGENgC > >>>operation and reload the HXDRIVER.EXE from SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGESlF > >>>directory and connect to ports, then exit. Even though there is aD > >>>VMSINSTAL.HISTORY file that states the driver installation is aJ > >>>success, the HXDRIVER.EXE cannot be located on the disk, so thereforeH > >>>the HX$LOAD.COM file does not produce a loadable image. Any helpful= > >>>information you can provide will be greatly appreciated.o > >>>d > >>>  > >>>l > >>>      w > >>>lM > >>My first guess is that if this drive is linked at installation time, the  E > >>link is failing otherwise the driver would be there, or would be  J > >>provided as an image on the kit.  Look through the DCL procedures and ; > >>find out where HX comes from, your answers are there...  > >>	 > >>Barryt > >>     > >> > >E	 > >Barry:e > > G > >Thanks for your reply. As luck would have it, I tried installing theoF > >HXDRIVER on another OVMS v6.2 disk (actually on another system) andE > >was able to get the driver to load. I then copied the file to TK50IH > >tape and then copied it to the target system with OVMS v7.3. Was thenE > >able to load and test the driver successfully. The system messageseH > >during the install were vastly different than install efforts on OVMSE > >v7.3, which indicates it has been tested up to this OS version buteF > >probably not past it to later versions. I could write a book on howE > >much trouble I had to get to today's success, but instead, I wouldiI > >appreciate some pointers on how to debug/trace the install steps usingcI > >DCL procedures. The HX014.A file is the kit for this driver. Could notYH > >open this file to see what was going on during the install (not human< > >readable). Is there a method to debug during the install? > >p > >  e > > K > That is a VMS saveset file which is commonly labeled .A, .B, .C, etc for r@ > VMSINSTAL kits.  Use BACKUP to list the contents, for example: >  > BACKUP  HX014.A/SAVE/LIST: > J > and you'll find, among other files, a file named KITINSTAL.COM which is I > actually called by VMSINSTAL after the .A saveset is expanded for that fK > product.  The KITINSTAL is what drives the product specific installation tI > and it is there that you would have found the VMS version test, or the p > link statements... >  >  > Barryr   Barry:  D Thanks again for your input. I have more s/w to install. I know this! will be handy to get it all done.   C Question about setting up a driver to load at boot time. There is aC7 file called HX$load.com which reloads the HXDRIVER from.F sys$loadable_images during a SYSGEN and then connects the two ports soB the system can use the DRQ3-B interface. Is VMSIMAGES.DAT the fileA that should be edited to add a line to call the .com file I need.wB Tried SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE ALL. When I typed out the VMSIMAGES.DATE file it said not to edit it. Inside the file it says there is another'F .com file to run to accomplish this, but I was not able to get that to
 work. Ideas??    Thanks,    bruce.stafford@sbcglobal.net   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jun 2004 01:38:46 -07003 From: bruce.stafford@sbcglobal.net (Bruce Stafford)A9 Subject: Re: HXDRIVER VAX installation issues in OVMS 7.3 = Message-ID: <102eae4e.0406260038.72bd4b14@posting.google.com>o  o peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote in message news:<newscache$ignuzh$esd1$1@news.sil.at>...iu > In article <102eae4e.0406242118.1fe62baf@posting.google.com>, bruce.stafford@sbcglobal.net (Bruce Stafford) writes:rJ > >                 The HX014.A file is the kit for this driver. Could notH > >open this file to see what was going on during the install (not human< > >readable). Is there a method to debug during the install? >  > $ BACKUP/LIST HX014.A/SAVE/ > $ BACKUP HX014.A/SAVE/SELECT=KITINSTAL.COM []  > $ EDIT KITINSTAL.COM  + Thanks Peter for the info, I appreciate it.i   Bruce.Stafford@sbcglobal.net   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jun 2004 01:36:47 -07003 From: bruce.stafford@sbcglobal.net (Bruce Stafford)K9 Subject: Re: HXDRIVER VAX installation issues in OVMS 7.3-< Message-ID: <102eae4e.0406260036.afd3014@posting.google.com>  v koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<NcA9$WYt34HX@eisner.encompasserve.org>...u > In article <102eae4e.0406232344.3727b5af@posting.google.com>, bruce.stafford@sbcglobal.net (Bruce Stafford) writes: G > > I have a MicroVAX 3500 with a DRQ3B Q-Bus interface card installed. E > > Had trouble getting older VAX disks and am using SCSI-1 disks and-E > > CDROM devices via a third party Q-Bus to SCSI-1 Interface module.cC > > Disks and CDROM work fine, however have had trouble loading thedG > > HXDRIVER v1.4 from CDROM. Note that SCSI interface card uses vectoraF > > 300, so DRQ3B card is set for 310. Have license already installed.I > > Documentation claims that driver will work with v5.5 and up VMS. Does A > > anyone have experience with VMS v7.3 with this HXDRIVER v1.4?r > > >    Document is wrong.  HXDRIVER was retired after VMS 5.5-2.@ >    HXDRIVER wass, however, sold with source so it can be built@ >    and should work on later versions.  This is not part of theD >    VMS install, HXDRIVER was sold with DRQ3B as a layered product.   Bob:  F I believe you are correct about the document. I don't remember exactlyA where I read the claim that the VMSINSTAL program would work withtF OVMSv6.x. It might be an inconsistency between the HX014 release notesA and Install Guide. I vaguely remember that in OVMSv6.? (or v7.1?)nE VMSINSTAL gave way to the Polycenter installation method, which laters< needed an ECO fix, and ultimately was all fixed in OVMSv7.3.C DECWindows would not load from CDROM until the ECO was applied. ButhD then, (like peeling an onion) I found other problems which made v7.3D look good. Had VMS 5.5 (which included DECWindows) but I didn't wantB to deal with the TK50 install method for VMS 5.5, because I didn'tF have a reliable TK70 at the time, so the CDROM approach looked better.D  There are a lot of words here (entertainment value ?) to mostly say thanks for the input.'   Bruce.Stafford@sbcglobal.net   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jun 2004 10:46:24 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 9 Subject: Re: HXDRIVER VAX installation issues in OVMS 7.3 3 Message-ID: <0nHAjxqRYQaa@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  s In article <102eae4e.0406260048.6bbb6706@posting.google.com>, bruce.stafford@sbcglobal.net (Bruce Stafford) writes:d    E > Question about setting up a driver to load at boot time. There is a 9 > file called HX$load.com which reloads the HXDRIVER fromUH > sys$loadable_images during a SYSGEN and then connects the two ports soD > the system can use the DRQ3-B interface. Is VMSIMAGES.DAT the fileC > that should be edited to add a line to call the .com file I need.hD > Tried SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE ALL. When I typed out the VMSIMAGES.DATG > file it said not to edit it. Inside the file it says there is anothersH > .com file to run to accomplish this, but I was not able to get that to > work. Ideas??   =    Do not edit vmsimages.dat.  Edit systartup_vms.com and add          $@sys$startup:hx$load.coml  :    Nothing will load until you fin the source for HXDRIVER>    (HXDRIVER.MAR) and rebuild the driver (HXDRIVER.EXE), which*    then gets put into sys$loadable_images:   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:49:06 -0700u+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>t9 Subject: Re: HXDRIVER VAX installation issues in OVMS 7.3_' Message-ID: <40E03DF2.4040009@MMaz.com>   H >>>>>I have a MicroVAX 3500 with a DRQ3B Q-Bus interface card installed.F >>>>>Had trouble getting older VAX disks and am using SCSI-1 disks andF >>>>>CDROM devices via a third party Q-Bus to SCSI-1 Interface module.D >>>>>Disks and CDROM work fine, however have had trouble loading theH >>>>>HXDRIVER v1.4 from CDROM. Note that SCSI interface card uses vectorG >>>>>300, so DRQ3B card is set for 310. Have license already installed. J >>>>>Documentation claims that driver will work with v5.5 and up VMS. DoesB >>>>>anyone have experience with VMS v7.3 with this HXDRIVER v1.4? >>>>>  >>>>>          l >>>>>iK >>That is a VMS saveset file which is commonly labeled .A, .B, .C, etc for  @ >>VMSINSTAL kits.  Use BACKUP to list the contents, for example: >> >>BACKUP  HX014.A/SAVE/LIST  >>J >>and you'll find, among other files, a file named KITINSTAL.COM which is I >>actually called by VMSINSTAL after the .A saveset is expanded for that .K >>product.  The KITINSTAL is what drives the product specific installation oI >>and it is there that you would have found the VMS version test, or the   >>link statements... >>     >> >a >Barry:h >gE >Thanks again for your input. I have more s/w to install. I know thise" >will be handy to get it all done. >eD >Question about setting up a driver to load at boot time. There is a8 >file called HX$load.com which reloads the HXDRIVER fromG >sys$loadable_images during a SYSGEN and then connects the two ports soeC >the system can use the DRQ3-B interface. Is VMSIMAGES.DAT the file B >that should be edited to add a line to call the .com file I need.C >Tried SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE ALL. When I typed out the VMSIMAGES.DATtF >file it said not to edit it. Inside the file it says there is anotherF >com file to run to accomplish this, but I was not able to get that to >work. Ideas?? >d >  o >yF Well, I had a KZCCA option on my 4000/100 at one time and because VMS I would not autoconfigure it, and I needed it earlier in the boot process,  D I inserted the necessary statements into my SATELLITE_PAGE.COM file F since this allowed me to get the drivers load, devices connected, and 5 then handled the immediate mounting of my page files.   G I suspect that timing in the boot process is the answer as to when you  B must have the devices available.  If earlier, you can consider my B klooge, if later, just insert it into the site specific systartup 
 procedures...    Barry    -- P  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:16:57 +0000 (UTC)s From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.ukB Subject: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article) Message-ID: <cbor6p$hhs$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>a   For info :-r  3 There is an article in the Inquirer with the title e  ( "Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt"     See1  ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=16868o  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jun 2004 08:26:33 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)F Subject: Re: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0406280726.119ed376@posting.google.com>v  O david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote in message news:<cbor6p$hhs$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>...,
 > For info :-: > 5 > There is an article in the Inquirer with the title P > * > "Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt" >  >  > Seei > + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=16868i >  > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University  = it also says that the alpha team is on the job ... so not alls is bleak ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:30:49 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> F Subject: RE: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIEEIFDHAA.tom@kednos.com>r     -----Original Message-----1   From: Bob Ceculski [mailto:bob@instantwhip.com],%   Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 8:27 AMh   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com H   Subject: Re: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article      ,   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote in message '   news:<cbor6p$hhs$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>...t   > For info :-i   > 7   > There is an article in the Inquirer with the title     > ,   > "Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt"   >    >    > See    > -   > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=16868e   >    > David Webb   > VMS and Unix team leader   > CCSS   > Middlesex University   ?   it also says that the alpha team is on the job ... so not allo   is bleak ...  F That is a non sequitur.  The article was about markets not technology.      ---c(   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B   Version: 6.0.710 / Virus Database: 466 - Release Date: 6/23/2004    ---"& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.710 / Virus Database: 466 - Release Date: 6/23/2004   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:59:10 -0700.+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> F Subject: Re: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article' Message-ID: <40E0404E.4050804@MMaz.com>c   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:,   >For info :- >h4 >There is an article in the Inquirer with the title  >.W >"Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt" See http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=16868  >t >    > H Reads like a bad novel but just repeats the critical path/volume issues F that have been hounded on this list, that HP seems to avoid, deny, or C ignore, that being that if Itanic never reaches critical volume in  H sales, compliments of X86-64, it'll be just as another proprietary chip I like Alpha, PA-RISC, MIPS, except they don't own it or control it and HP lH will remain at the mercy of Intel for its long term future...  If Intel H was not concerned about the loss of market share to AMD, they would not H have introduced their alternatives, knowing very well it would directly . compete and hurt any possible Itanic growth...     Barrya   -- '  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        i   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 16:29:34 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.ukF Subject: Re: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article) Message-ID: <cbph1d$oh5$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>n  h In article <d7791aa1.0406280726.119ed376@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:P >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote in message news:<cbor6p$hhs$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>... >> For info :- >> )6 >> There is an article in the Inquirer with the title  >> h+ >> "Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt"h >> t >> n >> See >> r, >> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=16868 >>  
 >> David Webbn >> VMS and Unix team leaderi >> CCSSo >> Middlesex Universitye >o> >it also says that the alpha team is on the job ... so not all
 >is bleak ...c     To be exact it saysh  J "Internally, Intel has basically given up hope on IPF becoming the defactoO 64-bit architecture until Tukwilla in 2007. From the specs being bandied about, L that chip looks to be another marvel (pun intended) from the Alpha team, but0 between now and then, there is precious little."   Then ends with  M "For the next three years, there is little reason for anyone to care any moreeM unless they are an HP customer, and absolutely no reason for a third party toJM jump aboard. Intel just sent a clear message, it is just not the one I wanted:	 to hear."     
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 09:49:57 -0700b+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>dF Subject: Re: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article% Message-ID: <40E04C35.20901@MMaz.com>e   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:   i >In article <d7791aa1.0406280726.119ed376@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:o >  u >iQ >>david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote in message news:<cbor6p$hhs$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>...e >>     >> >>>For info :- >>>*6 >>>There is an article in the Inquirer with the title  >>>A+ >>>"Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt"e >>>  >>>l >>>See >>> , >>>http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=16868 >>>a
 >>>David Webbf >>>VMS and Unix team leaderh >>>CCSSr >>>Middlesex Universityr	 >>>      n >>>r? >>it also says that the alpha team is on the job ... so not all- >>is bleak ... >>     >> >, >  >To be exact it says > K >"Internally, Intel has basically given up hope on IPF becoming the defacto P >64-bit architecture until Tukwilla in 2007. From the specs being bandied about,M >that chip looks to be another marvel (pun intended) from the Alpha team, butb1 >between now and then, there is precious little."u >e >Then ends with" >vN >"For the next three years, there is little reason for anyone to care any moreN >unless they are an HP customer, and absolutely no reason for a third party toN >jump aboard. Intel just sent a clear message, it is just not the one I wanted
 >to hear." >" >o >  h > E Just curious, how many years and how many billions have been dumped,  I excuse me, invested into Itanic?  What do you suppose is the upper limit l3 of a negative ROI before Intel must cut its losses?a   Barryr   -- t  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        u   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jun 2004 05:46:05 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)9 Subject: Intel/HP wait for alpha team to save itanium ...r= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0406280446.67392824@posting.google.com>u  ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=16868h   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jun 2004 14:00:53 -0700* From: thierry.uso@wanadoo.fr (Thierry USO) Subject: jGRASP for OpenVMS.= Message-ID: <79c022e7.0406271300.3cd301a5@posting.google.com>e  / jGRASp is a freeware IDE from Auburn University  (http://www.jgrasp.org/).eD It is written in Java and supports several languages such as Ada, C,> C++, Java... A small program called the Wedge allows jGRASP to= communicate with external compilers, debuggers and executablee= programs. The Wedge is specific to each operating system. The-> distribution file of jGRASP contains only a Wedge for Windows,E Linux/Unix and MacOS X. I have written a Wedge for OpenVMS. It can bee downloaded at :K  2 http://perso.wanadoo.fr/thierry.uso/jgrasp-en.html  B The Wedge of jGRASP has been successfully tested with OpenVMS 7.3,
 Java 1.4.1-2, A jGRASP 1.6.4 and the Ada GNAT 5.00a compiler. It should work with < subsequent versions of OpenVMS, Java, jGRASP and with others
 compilers.  E Environment variables inside jGRASP are implemented as logical names.aD The target process (compiler, debugger or exe) communicates with theD jGRASP process via SYS$OUTPUT which is a mailbox (by default). So, aB buffer overflow may occur during a "big" write to SYS$OUTPUT. I amB searching how to avoid this (using pseudo-terminal or file instead/ mailbox...). If you have any idea, I take it...c   Thierry USOn   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jun 2004 17:31:04 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: jGRASP for OpenVMSa3 Message-ID: <3HHyVWFyZRmd@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <79c022e7.0406271300.3cd301a5@posting.google.com>, thierry.uso@wanadoo.fr (Thierry USO) writes:  F > The target process (compiler, debugger or exe) communicates with theF > jGRASP process via SYS$OUTPUT which is a mailbox (by default). So, aD > buffer overflow may occur during a "big" write to SYS$OUTPUT. I am > searching how to avoid this:  1 Specify larger limits when creating the mailbox ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:17:02 -0500s0 From: Keith Brown <kbrown2720@NOSPAMcomcast.net> Subject: Re: jGRASP for OpenVMSw0 Message-ID: <Ruydnc2wGPsGAELdRVn-jA@comcast.com>   Thierry USO wrote:  1 > jGRASp is a freeware IDE from Auburn Universityh > (http://www.jgrasp.org/).aF > It is written in Java and supports several languages such as Ada, C,@ > C++, Java... A small program called the Wedge allows jGRASP to? > communicate with external compilers, debuggers and executable ? > programs. The Wedge is specific to each operating system. Thee@ > distribution file of jGRASP contains only a Wedge for Windows,G > Linux/Unix and MacOS X. I have written a Wedge for OpenVMS. It can beo > downloaded at :e > 4 > http://perso.wanadoo.fr/thierry.uso/jgrasp-en.html > D > The Wedge of jGRASP has been successfully tested with OpenVMS 7.3, > Java 1.4.1-2,sC > jGRASP 1.6.4 and the Ada GNAT 5.00a compiler. It should work withp> > subsequent versions of OpenVMS, Java, jGRASP and with others > compilers. > G > Environment variables inside jGRASP are implemented as logical names.iF > The target process (compiler, debugger or exe) communicates with theF > jGRASP process via SYS$OUTPUT which is a mailbox (by default). So, aD > buffer overflow may occur during a "big" write to SYS$OUTPUT. I amD > searching how to avoid this (using pseudo-terminal or file instead1 > mailbox...). If you have any idea, I take it...d > 
 > Thierry USOh   Thierry,  P One side issue question... Is Gnat 5.00a for OpenVMS free? Where can I get it? IM need to run on OpenVMS 7.3-1 but cannot find a version of Gnat which will runn5 on anything newer than 7.2-1. Can you provide a Link?    Thanks in advance- -- - Keith Brown-   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jun 2004 21:39:36 -0700* From: thierry.uso@wanadoo.fr (Thierry USO) Subject: Re: jGRASP for OpenVMSu= Message-ID: <79c022e7.0406272039.533a25f5@posting.google.com>L  h Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<3HHyVWFyZRmd@eisner.encompasserve.org>...l > In article <79c022e7.0406271300.3cd301a5@posting.google.com>, thierry.uso@wanadoo.fr (Thierry USO) writes: > H > > The target process (compiler, debugger or exe) communicates with theH > > jGRASP process via SYS$OUTPUT which is a mailbox (by default). So, aF > > buffer overflow may occur during a "big" write to SYS$OUTPUT. I am > > searching how to avoid thisu > 3 > Specify larger limits when creating the mailbox ?l  B Of course I can increase the size of the mailbox. It decreases the: probability of a buffer overflow but it does not avoid it.   Thierry USO.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jun 2004 11:03:12 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)r Subject: Re: jGRASP for OpenVMSt3 Message-ID: <EYrN60lEtc4R@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  m In article <f401eb7f.0406280535.6a5ad393@posting.google.com>, soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume) writes:p > Thierry wrote: >> Larry Kilgallen wrote:b >> > Thierry writes:K >> > > The target process (compiler, debugger or exe) communicates with the K >> > > jGRASP process via SYS$OUTPUT which is a mailbox (by default). So, ahI >> > > buffer overflow may occur during a "big" write to SYS$OUTPUT. I amb" >> > > searching how to avoid this >> > O6 >> > Specify larger limits when creating the mailbox ? >> -E >> Of course I can increase the size of the mailbox. It decreases thea= >> probability of a buffer overflow but it does not avoid it.n >> s >> Thierry USO.$ > F > Can the communication mechanism be modified to "split" the IOs based > on the buffer size?c  D Once the mailbox size exceeds the permissible size of a DCL command,$ then anything further will not help.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:48:46 -0400.# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>eP Subject: Re: Major Internet Attack Under Way (IIS hit; Apache/SWS on VMS immune), Message-ID: <nsadnSGFOfMuEkHdRVn-hQ@igs.net>   William Webb wrote:o > << >:K http://www.internetweek.com/allStories/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=22102119p >>> A > One of the suggestions I have made to HP management is that theuF > current state of webserver vulnerability is a golden opportunity for@ > HP to market an entry-level, turn-key webserver-on-VMS system. >o  > Again, the opportunity arises.  ' Only to be squandered once again by HP.   D If they were serious about marketing OpenVMS in the face of all thisJ worm/trojan stuff, nobody from HP's OpenVMS marketing group would be goingH home this weekend until 3-4 full page newspaper ads had been designed inJ conjunction with the advertising agency they use and space booked for this$ coming Monday's Wall Street Journal.  K That's the way a real company responds to both an opportunity and a crisis.   H HP, post here if you want my help. My rates triple over weekends but I'm worth every penny.   See also9 http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/secu/article.php/33737112  ) Major Web Attack May Steal Financial Data 
 June 25, 2004h By Sharon Gaudin    I IT administrators are being warned to double check their servers, and Web.L surfers are being cautioned after a widespread hacker attack has compromisedE major corporate Web sites and infected thousands of users' computers..  J ''This is a complicated, sophisticated attack,'' says Ken Dunham, directorJ of malicious code at iDefense, Inc., a security intelligence company basedL in Reston, Va. ''This appears to be designed to ultimately steal credit cardH and identity theft information, which can then be sold... There could be1 hundreds of thousands of victims at this point.''   I According to security researchers, an organized crime group out of Russia I has launched the attack, compromising Microsoft's IIS Web Servers. When aAH Web surfer goes to that infected Web site, javascript is appended to theJ html page that is called up. That script then exploits two vulnerabilitiesD in Internet Explorer to install a backdoor into the user's computer.  J Once this is done, the javascript instructs the user's browser to downloadH and install an executable from a Russian Web site. Different executablesL have been noted, but they include keystroke loggers, proxy servers and other: backdoors providing full access to the compromised system.  L Dunham says the attack was coordinated by the HangUp Team, a hacker group inJ Russia -- the same group supposedly responsible for the Korgo worm family.I ''They're making a lot of money of this,'' says Dunham. ''And they have aN2 serious backend market for peddling information.''  F Johannes Ullrich of the Internet Storm Center, which monitors InternetK threats, reports that his organization has been contacted directly by about K 20 companies, so he estimates that 100 or more Web sites have been infected  with the hostile script.  L While less than Dunham's estimate, Ullrich suspects that thousands, possibly. 10 thousand, user machines have been infected.  K Ullrich says the threat is waning as most of the infected Web sites already  have been cleaned up.a  A But it's been an attack that had security researchers and some ITsL administrators up all night beating back the flames and trying to figure out exactly how the attack worked.  H ''This was very dangerous,'' says Steve Sundermeier, a vice president atI Medina, Ohio-based Central Command, Inc. ''It's alarming in that you have J large, legitimate corporations being used as a tool. As a user, especiallyH if you're entering credit card information, you expect secure Web sites.J Their financial security could be breached. And for the credibility of the& corporation, this is a huge problem.''  K Researchers would not release the names of the companies and Web sites that J were compromised for fear of compounding their problems. Ullrich, however,L says the compromised sites included industry associations, banks, brokerages and travel-related sites.e  < The question now is how were the corporate servers infected?  L Researchers are still investigating the attack and have been slightly thrownI by reports from corporate administrators who said their machines had beend fully patched.  C Dunham reports that there is some speculation, even coming from thedJ Microsoft camp, that the breakins and server infections are related to the MS04-11 vulnerability.  J ''With fully patched boxes being infected, it appears there may be anotherH component of the MS04-11 vulnerability,'' says Dunham. ''There's a wholeJ bunch of stuff in there and some of it is related to the IIS servers... WeL don't know how they are getting exploited. We're talking about highly secure environments.''(  I Ullrich, however, says it's possible that the sites were compromised some7) time ago before the servers were patched.r  J Microsoft recommends that users run a search for kk32.dll and surf.dat. IfK either of the two files is present, the computer may be infected. Computerso7 can be cleaned by using up-to-date anti-virus software.i   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jun 2004 20:16:41 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Mozilla 1.73 Message-ID: <VFl2Oob0sYO2@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <00A33C4B.98B4BD0C@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:f > M > Okay, but how much do you use Mozilla to look at local files?  (I basicallynM > don't at all, so this wouldn't be a problem for me; I can also always throweM > them in a userdir (served by CSWS 1.x) and look at them as non-local files.       File -> Open File      Or has this gone away?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:25:37 +0200. From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: Mozilla 1.72 Message-ID: <cbj1cp$hqe$1@news3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>  * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:s > In article <VFl2Oob0sYO2@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:  >  >>In article <00A33C4B.98B4BD0C@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:P >>N >>>Okay, but how much do you use Mozilla to look at local files?  (I basicallyN >>>don't at all, so this wouldn't be a problem for me; I can also always throwN >>>them in a userdir (served by CSWS 1.x) and look at them as non-local files. >> >>  File -> Open Fileh >> >>  Or has this gone away? >> >  > F > My question wasn't "how do you do it" but "how _much_ do you do it"?  N Quite often. I use my DS10 as web server as well, and I design web pages with Q Mozilla composer & the X-Window editor (not EVE) which always produces Stream-LF 1C   files. I check new web pages by opening them as files in Mozilla.@     > P > (In fact, I just tried it (on 1.7), it opened and displayed an edited-with-EVEP > normal non-STMLF file.  So I _really_ don't know how big a problem this is for* > anybody else; it sure isn't one for me.) > 	 > -- Alan- >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 01:20:17 GMTeL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") Subject: Re: Mozilla 1.76 Message-ID: <00A33E69.87983495@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  q In article <VFl2Oob0sYO2@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:A >In article <00A33C4B.98B4BD0C@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes: >> gN >> Okay, but how much do you use Mozilla to look at local files?  (I basicallyN >> don't at all, so this wouldn't be a problem for me; I can also always throwN >> them in a userdir (served by CSWS 1.x) and look at them as non-local files. >: >   File -> Open Filet >o >   Or has this gone away? >d  D My question wasn't "how do you do it" but "how _much_ do you do it"?  N (In fact, I just tried it (on 1.7), it opened and displayed an edited-with-EVEN normal non-STMLF file.  So I _really_ don't know how big a problem this is for( anybody else; it sure isn't one for me.)   -- Alan.   -- oO ===============================================================================o0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056dM  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025yO ===============================================================================h   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 08:18:41 +0200f* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> Subject: Re: Mozilla 1.7+ Message-ID: <2k4iq2F17k0qgU1@uni-berlin.de>c   Colin Blake wrote: > Mike Rechtman wrote: >  >> Thanks for the release, >> BUT >> (from the release notes:)K >> Important: Mozilla for OpenVMS requires that local files be in Stream_LF  >> record format. FileslJ >> of other record formats are not supported and the results of attempting >> to use any such file is
 >> undefined.  > 8 > Mozilla has always had this restriction. It isn't new. >   I In that case (not having upgraded to 1.7 yet), I'll chip in and say that  B I've never had any major problems when doing File -> Open File on   standard EDIT/TPU created files.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jun 2004 10:42:18 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)l Subject: Re: Mozilla 1.73 Message-ID: <WFhH3OET0gsi@eisner.encompasserve.org>n   In article <00A33E69.87983495@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:k > F > My question wasn't "how do you do it" but "how _much_ do you do it"? >   -    Ah, lots.  Nevert had any problem, either.    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jun 2004 16:35:53 +0100K From: pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40)n2 Subject: Re: Mozilla 1.7 [Crash with pdf download]! Message-ID: <0O1zSVBy2kPU@sinead>T  O I've finally installed Moz 1.7, no problems but only with helpers applications.a8 I suppose there is on pb with temp files handling in 1.7  N When clickind on a link pointing to a pdf file (for exemple), moz 1.7 instanly
 crashes with:h  ; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtualo: address=0000000000000000, PC=00000000023AB478, PS=0000001B/ %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump followscJ   image    module    routine             line      rel PC           abs PC7  LIBDOCSHELL  NSEXTERNALHELPERAPPSERVICE  SetUpTempFileAO                                         70281 0000000000008638 00000000023AB478o8  LIBDOCSHELL  NSEXTERNALHELPERAPPSERVICE  OnStartRequestO                                         70346 00000000000089B0 00000000023AB7F0e)  LIBDOCSHELL  NSURILOADER  OnStartRequest.O                                         41565 0000000000000DCC 000000000239F47C ,  LIBNECKO  NSHTTPCHANNEL  CallOnStartRequestO                                         70864 0000000000003ABC 000000000107C17Ce*  LIBNECKO  NSINPUTSTREAMPUMP  OnStateStart  H However, there is no problem when right clicking and saving the target.    Patricki --O ===============================================================================iN pmoreau@ath.cena.fr  (CENA)      ______      ___   _          (Patrick MOREAU)4 moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================t   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 19:59:37 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: NTP and NTPDATE+ Message-ID: <40DE1BF9.43A2E2B2@comcast.net>r   Louie wrote: > I > This server Alpha 2100a is part of system that must be powered off on a0N > regular basis for maintainence and that's when the problem is seen. Do theseN > servers have servicable batteries? I looked for the battery, I couldn't find > it.o  7 Your field service rep. should be able to help you out.E   D.J.D.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jun 2004 09:34:36 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) Subject: OpenVMS .... no news?= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0406280834.71564e4b@posting.google.com>e  + For a long time I am not reading good news  0 about OpenVMS' new features in this news group ?$ What is happening ? Is it freezed ?    []s   Fabiog   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:03:19 +0000 (UTC)E From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk" Subject: Re: OpenVMS .... no news?) Message-ID: <cbpj0n$p4v$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>d  n In article <f30679fb.0406280834.71564e4b@posting.google.com>, fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) writes:, >For a long time I am not reading good news 1 >about OpenVMS' new features in this news group ? % >What is happening ? Is it freezed ? o >.    > As I'm sure you are aware Fabio it is being ported to Itanium.O VMS on Alpha will go from VMS 7.3-2 straight to VMS 8.2 which is planned for Q4e 2004.2  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University           >[]ss >  >Fabio   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:18:17 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)" Subject: Re: OpenVMS .... no news?1 Message-ID: <newscache$i4410i$qn61$1@news.sil.at>D  n In article <f30679fb.0406280834.71564e4b@posting.google.com>, fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) writes:, >For a long time I am not reading good news 1 >about OpenVMS' new features in this news group ?t  @ You mean a new version of WEBES (CCAT, SEA, ...) and MGMT_AGENTS= (and MOZILLA which was already discussed here) isn't enough ?   % >What is happening ? Is it freezed ?    M No. They are working on OpenVMS V8.2 and TCPIP V5.5 (and TCPIP V5.4 ECO 3)...    -- t Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERa% Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:03:04 GMTt! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>k" Subject: Re: OpenVMS .... no news?8 Message-ID: <fqk0e0htklh6g2mepdaoikc268e87r68lp@4ax.com>  N On 28 Jun 2004 09:34:36 -0700, fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) wrote:  , >For a long time I am not reading good news 1 >about OpenVMS' new features in this news group ?v% >What is happening ? Is it freezed ? R  O You have got to be kidding! Apart from the port to Itanium which is taking up abO lot of the time of VMS Engineering there is loads more good stuff for Itanium &dD Alpha (some VAX too). Check out the Rolling Roadmaps presentation onL http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/roadmap/openvms_roadmaps.htm in particularL read the notes for more detailed information about what new features turn up when.e   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur-   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jun 2004 07:05:27 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)4 Subject: OT: SIMH  =   Application Virtual Processor= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0406280605.52a53b15@posting.google.com>   = Is possible to run SIHM as an Application Virtual Processor ?c  = If I have a i386 SIHM emulator to run a Browser for example, n* independent of the core processor and OS. E May be implementing a virtual disk/container disk and VNC like viewerfD to shield the browser. Dont integrating it with the Operating SystemB to avoid virus, browser hacking. What do you think ? Would be like a Metaframe server.o   Regardse   FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:54:02 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ! Subject: Re: OT: Sun / Sparc  FUD , Message-ID: <xfSdnf5JXbByDUHdRVn-gQ@igs.net>   William Webb wrote:t0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message* > news:<IPidnd3iA_fyxkbdRVn-sQ@igs.net>... >> Bob Willard wrote:  >>> David Svensson wrote:: >>>a= >>>> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in messageRA >>>> news:<683b75f58439faa39315381052462421@news.teranews.com>...h >>>> >>>>> David Svensson wrote:e >>>>>:C >>>>>> I partly agree with you here, but top500 does to some degree F >>>>>> reflect the popularity of an architecture as a whole. I am sureG >>>>>> Sun would be much more happy if there were more SPARC systems onM >>>>>> the list. >>>>> G >>>>> Top 500 doesn't reflect on popularity of a platform. The platformbH >>>>> becomes more popular because of the visibility generated by having= >>>>> large presence in that list. It is all about marketing.s >>>> >>>>H >>>> Yes and no, visibility on top500 is ofcourse positive, but it's not; >>>> all about marketing. You actually need performance andoF >>>> price/performance to be competetive too and to be on the list. It	 >>>> doesa4 >>>> reflect popularity, not very much, but it does. >>>> >>>>@ >>>>> Which is why it would have been nice to see some ink about+ >>>>> VMS/Alpha being present on that list.e >>>> >>>> >>>> Well, you could hope. ;), >>>> >>>>H >>>>> Being on the top500 is the equivalent of car makers having entriesH >>>>> in Grand Prix races. Shows that the manufacturer has the knowledgeH >>>>> and capablity to build something really fast and performant, givesE >>>>> manufacturer lost of exposure and talk in the press. But the tovD >>>>> general consumer, there is little relationship between the car? >>>>> he/she drives and those cars fielded in Grand Prix races.. >>>> >>>>F >>>> Actually, the "supercomputers" of today are not impressive at allF >>>> in my mind. Most of them are just cheap boxes clustered together,F >>>> not rocket science anymore. The only interesting is when they useE >>>> really advanced network connection technology. A Cray is a Grand C >>>> Prix racer and the SGI machines are cool supercomputers, but a F >>>> cluster is just a bunch of cheap Fiats, they should not be calledF >>>> supercomputers, they should be called superclusters or something. >>>e6 >>> If one ran WinDuhs, you might call it a supernova. >> >>C >> Reminds me of the days way back when Chevrolet tried selling theiG >> Chevy Nova in Latin America. Nova in Spanish sounds exactly like "no F >> va" or loosely translated "doesn't go". Not exactly the message the7 >> car buyer wants to receive, subliminally or overtly.e >>D >> Of course in the case of Microsot, supernova meaning 'blows up in# >> your face' is quite appropriate.o >t >e > Great story about the Nova.d > Unfortunately, it's not true.e >u5 > << http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.aspe  E Why let truth get in the way of a great story. Anybody seen any WMD'sa lately?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:05:09 +0200e! From: Soterro <soterroatyahoocom> 8 Subject: Process quotas identical, but one machine fails9 Message-ID: <40e04f5b$0$326$4d4ef98e@read.news.ch.uu.net>    Hello,  0 I have a question that puzzles me since a while.I There is a program which runs on two identical Microvax II machines, one -I with VMS 6.2 and one with VMS 7.2. I should actually say 'should run' as iB on the 6.2 machine it refuses to start (from a COM started with a  LOGINOUT), giving the message:  K %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image SYS$SYSROOT:[THIS_DIR]THIS_PROG.EXEIC -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file $1$DIA0:[SYS0.][THIS_DIR]THIS_PROG.EXE;4 ) -SYSTEM-F-EXQUOTA, process quota exceededi  E Important note: if I start the process on the console with RUN or by rD defining a foreign (thus without LOGINOUT) it works also on the 6.2 E machine, and the WSExtent it shows is way below the limits (although i bigger than the WSQuota).   G So far (not) so good. The weird thing is that on the two machines, the e* quotas are identical as far as I can tell.B MCR AUTHORIZE and SHOW PROCESS/QUOTA show the same values on both E machines (and both users). And the 7.2 has much more load to carry...a  F There must be something different, and I don't know where to look for E it. Any ideas anyone? Is the quotas handling different between the 2   releases of VMS?  
 Thank you, Sa   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:25:18 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>2< Subject: Re: Process quotas identical, but one machine fails# Message-ID: <40E0547E.407@MMaz.com>    Soterro wrote:   > Hello, >c2 > I have a question that puzzles me since a while.G > There is a program which runs on two identical Microvax II machines, bG > one with VMS 6.2 and one with VMS 7.2. I should actually say 'should VE > run' as on the 6.2 machine it refuses to start (from a COM started  ' > with a LOGINOUT), giving the message:h >m* > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image % > SYS$SYSROOT:[THIS_DIR]THIS_PROG.EXE:E > -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file $1$DIA0:[SYS0.][THIS_DIR]THIS_PROG.EXE;4 + > -SYSTEM-F-EXQUOTA, process quota exceeded" > G > Important note: if I start the process on the console with RUN or by  F > defining a foreign (thus without LOGINOUT) it works also on the 6.2 G > machine, and the WSExtent it shows is way below the limits (although s > bigger than the WSQuota).  >tI > So far (not) so good. The weird thing is that on the two machines, the -, > quotas are identical as far as I can tell.D > MCR AUTHORIZE and SHOW PROCESS/QUOTA show the same values on both G > machines (and both users). And the 7.2 has much more load to carry...g >gH > There must be something different, and I don't know where to look for G > it. Any ideas anyone? Is the quotas handling different between the 2 6 > releases of VMS?  E You're confusing quotas with working sets...  A small, or different, BB working sets should not cause a crash but a difference in virtual D address space, which is a quota, can.  Most likely, you *DO* have a H difference between how the quotas on your systems are SYSGEN'd, or have 3 your paged/non-paged memory resources are handled.    D If you have image accounting enabled, look at the image termination I between the two machines, you should see which quota is being exceeded.   D Also, presuming that the authorize files are identical, compare the , setparams.dat files between the two nodes...   Barry  -- a  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        n   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jun 2004 12:34:22 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) < Subject: Re: Process quotas identical, but one machine fails3 Message-ID: <6CpzgYN8DMuO@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  ] In article <40e04f5b$0$326$4d4ef98e@read.news.ch.uu.net>, Soterro <soterroatyahoocom> writes:s  K > There is a program which runs on two identical Microvax II machines, one  K > with VMS 6.2 and one with VMS 7.2. I should actually say 'should run' as -D > on the 6.2 machine it refuses to start (from a COM started with a   > LOGINOUT), giving the message: > M > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image SYS$SYSROOT:[THIS_DIR]THIS_PROG.EXE E > -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file $1$DIA0:[SYS0.][THIS_DIR]THIS_PROG.EXE;43+ > -SYSTEM-F-EXQUOTA, process quota exceededB  H > There must be something different, and I don't know where to look for G > it. Any ideas anyone? Is the quotas handling different between the 2 i > releases of VMS?  C Certainly internal use of resources (e.g. Page file) will vary from>; one VMS version to another, and 6.2 to 7.2 is a _big_ leap.8   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:36:47 -0500x/ From: Clay M. Denton <denton@orison.dsserv.com>a+ Subject: Re: RAID Array 450 and Controllersc8 Message-ID: <okptd099iisod9hsg8tcv006pkmcopc6lc@4ax.com>  = Yes, the HSJ40s (or HSJ50s) will drop in place of the HSZ40s.r   Clay  I On 25 Jun 2004 00:48:40 -0700, alexjohansonn@yahoo.com (TANSTAAFL) wrote:   F >I have a Raid Array 450.  It came with HSZ40 controllers.  Can anyoneF >tell me if the 450 is compatible with the HSJ40 controllers?  I would: >suspect so, but do not want to take anything for granted. >e >Alex    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jun 2004 19:49:36 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)eA Subject: Re: Secure Web Server Version 2.0 available for downloadr3 Message-ID: <lv9$TcXg3VPY@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  b In article <843706dc.0406181308.10a9a6e6@posting.google.com>, horn@shsu.edu (James T Horn) writes:D > In all this discussion, we are finding that using sftp to transferG > files between systems is having problems with the non-streamlf files. G > We are having to convert files created using cobol to streamlf beforea# > we us sftp to transfer the files.  > C > Anyone having the same kind of problem with sftp and non-streamlfw > files?      Get a better IP stack.f   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:21:57 +0200>- From: "Starlet731" <starlet731@attglobal.net> + Subject: SIMH VAX simulator on FreeBSD 4.10e0 Message-ID: <V5KdnYTFbK7oI0DdRVn_iw@scarlet.biz>   Hello,  H I'm trying to let SIMH VAX simulator work on FreeBSD 4.10. It is version 3.2-0 of SIMH.  G I also installed the latest version of libpcap. I compiled the VAX with   network support (USE_NETWORK=1).  K Everything went o.k. : installing libpcap, SIMH VAX, OpenVSM VAX V7.3 under E the VAX simulator, TCPIP 5.1 (including configuration) under OpenVMS.,  K When I try to telnet then to the VAX, which has a different IP address thenbL the host computer (running FreeBSD) it doesn't work. I can get no connection to the virtual VAX machine. I The strange thing is that this does all work on Slackware Linux 9.1, evencI without installing libpcap from source or binary. It all works out of the J box with this version of Slackware. I do not want to run on Slackware, but- still want to get this running under FreeBSD.h  G Important is that I get on the console under FreeBSD 4.10 the followingt repeating messages:e   de0: promiscuous mode enabled  de0: promiscuous mode disabled de0: promiscuous mode enabledr de0: promiscuous mode disabled de0: promiscuous mode enabled  de0: promiscuous mode disabled de0: promiscuous mode enablede de0: promiscuous mode disabled de0: promiscuous mode enabled  .....   L I know that in order for the ethernet function on the virtual VAX and on theK host (FreeBSD, Slackware or other) to work simultaniously the ethernet cardaK must be in promiscuous mode. But if this mode constantly switches, I have ag problem.  L Does anyone know how to set the ethernet card constantly to promiscuous modeJ (if this is the clue though). Or is there another way to make the ethernetK function work under FreeBSD on the virtual VAX in order to telnet or ftp too it?.' Maybe this is a typical FreeBSD matter.f   Many thanks in advance.t   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 19:58:55 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)/ Subject: Re: SIMH VAX simulator on FreeBSD 4.10p0 Message-ID: <newscache$j8mxzh$ae5$1@news.sil.at>  ` In article <9oSdnZicyZdyUEDd4p2dnA@scarlet.biz>, "Starlet731" <starlet731@attglobal.net> writes:# >Correction to my previous message:  >eI >When I configured TCPIP under OpenVMS VAX V7.3 and then issued the startw4 >command the system hanged at the following message: >S4 >%TCPIP-S-STARTDONE, TCP/IP Kernel startup completed  A You could define SYSGEN Parameter STARTUP_P2 = "DC" to get a moreo, detailed info into SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.LOG...   -- P Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER.% Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:28:00 +0200u- From: "Starlet731" <starlet731@attglobal.net> + Subject: SIMH VAX simulator on FreeBSD 4.10 0 Message-ID: <9oSdnZicyZdyUEDd4p2dnA@scarlet.biz>  " Correction to my previous message:  H When I configured TCPIP under OpenVMS VAX V7.3 and then issued the start3 command the system hanged at the following message:l  3 %TCPIP-S-STARTDONE, TCP/IP Kernel startup completedH   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 09:53:28 +02003- From: "Starlet731" <starlet731@attglobal.net>r/ Subject: Re: SIMH VAX simulator on FreeBSD 4.10o0 Message-ID: <O7ednaZZfOM14UPdRVn-vA@scarlet.biz>   Hello Peter,  L Do you know how to enable promiscuous mode of the ethernet card permanent on FreeBSD (host platform)?   Thanks  E "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> schreef in berichtt* news:newscache$j8mxzh$ae5$1@news.sil.at...? > In article <9oSdnZicyZdyUEDd4p2dnA@scarlet.biz>, "Starlet731"r" <starlet731@attglobal.net> writes:% > >Correction to my previous message:g > > K > >When I configured TCPIP under OpenVMS VAX V7.3 and then issued the startr6 > >command the system hanged at the following message: > >)6 > >%TCPIP-S-STARTDONE, TCP/IP Kernel startup completed >sC > You could define SYSGEN Parameter STARTUP_P2 = "DC" to get a mores. > detailed info into SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.LOG... >d > -- s > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' > Network and OpenVMS system specialisty > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jun 2004 20:13:10 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)h0 Subject: Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP3 Message-ID: <Tly8hrJcTq6N@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  h In article <d7791aa1.0406221722.193e6ad9@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes: > B > why not windoze only ... it is fine as a client, but that is it!  E    Playing that video on my company's windoze system was an excellent).    demonstration that it is NOT a fine client.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jun 2004 05:17:01 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)0 Subject: Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0406260417.1b24914a@posting.google.com>I   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<cbeopj$s1p$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...u > Bob Ceculski wrote:cq > > bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message news:<d7791aa1.0406221722.193e6ad9@posting.google.com>...d > > \ > >>VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A33BCA.6247AC22@SendSpamHere.ORG>... > >>< > >>>Still, there's no reason for making it WEENDOZE only.   > >>>-- G > >>>http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security@H > >>>                            solutions that others only claim to be. > >> > >>D > >>why not windoze only ... it is fine as a client, but that is it! > >  > > < > > whoa, whoa, whoa ... I said windoze as a client ONLY ...; > > not running the backend core business ... and there areA; > > thin clients now that run vt emulators (i.e. powerterm),8 > > that eliminate the need to virus scan (yahmail works6 > > great for email) ... so what I am saying is to use9 > > windoze for it is, a client to vms, and nothing more!c >  > Not quite. > : > The clients that run powerterm run WinCE which is itself7 > vunerable to virii so you still need your virus scan.  >  > Details details. > 	 > Regardse > Andrew Harrison:  3 not if that code in in a thin client with read onlyr memory!:   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:25:51 GMTo" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG0 Subject: Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP0 Message-ID: <00A33EE8.0B459432@SendSpamHere.ORG>  h In article <d7791aa1.0406260417.1b24914a@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes: >Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<cbeopj$s1p$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... >> Bob Ceculski wrote:r >> > bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message news:<d7791aa1.0406221722.193e6ad9@posting.google.com>... >> > O] >> >>VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A33BCA.6247AC22@SendSpamHere.ORG>...o >> >> = >> >>>Still, there's no reason for making it WEENDOZE only.  h	 >> >>>-- tH >> >>>http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityI >> >>>                            solutions that others only claim to be.h >> >>h >> >>tE >> >>why not windoze only ... it is fine as a client, but that is it!u >> > 1 >> >  = >> > whoa, whoa, whoa ... I said windoze as a client ONLY ...r< >> > not running the backend core business ... and there are< >> > thin clients now that run vt emulators (i.e. powerterm)9 >> > that eliminate the need to virus scan (yahmail workss7 >> > great for email) ... so what I am saying is to uses: >> > windoze for it is, a client to vms, and nothing more! >> t
 >> Not quite.r >> e; >> The clients that run powerterm run WinCE which is itself-8 >> vunerable to virii so you still need your virus scan. >> r >> Details details.y >> e
 >> Regards >> Andrew Harrison >f4 >not if that code in in a thin client with read only >memory!    > But Weendoze needs write only memory.  It sure seems that way.  B My wife spends hours deleting files with all sorts of gobbledegookC names from her PeeCee every weekend to free disk space.  There doess@ not seem to be much use for them because the PeeCee seems to runB fine (well, it is Weendoze so as well as Weendoze runs fine) with-D out these files.  Just Billy's way of helping the disk manufacturers) make money off that stupid IDE interface.  -- /B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  -- mK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             t5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 19:59:58 +0200'* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>0 Subject: Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP+ Message-ID: <2k5rsvF175cq3U1@uni-berlin.de>a   John Smith wrote:V  L > Turns out that trying to remove the offending printer drivers and registry1 > entries corrupts the Windows registry somewhat.o > I > Best solution to that seems to be re-install Windows and all your apps,rM > according to HP tech support. Been there, done that, in the past two weeks.c > A collossal waste of time. >  >   I Truly a collossal waste of time. I've just done a Windows reinstallation nB for a friend whose disk had failed. It was a totally mind numbing B experience, with about about a gazillion "Click Next to continue" G prompts which served no useful purpose, and I completely lost count of s the number of reboots required.t  I But to bash you in not too rough a way, you should really count the cost oD of your wasted time and use that to justify getting a decent backup F solution. Back in 1997, the backup hardware I used didn't come cheap, F but when I could restore the lot in little more than an hour, it paid L for itself many times over. The price today should be peanuts in comparison.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:49:07 -0400a# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>.0 Subject: Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP, Message-ID: <sqSdnTK1jYUUhEPdRVn-uw@igs.net>   Paul Sture wrote:h > John Smith wrote:e >yD >> Turns out that trying to remove the offending printer drivers and; >> registry entries corrupts the Windows registry somewhat.a >>D >> Best solution to that seems to be re-install Windows and all yourD >> apps, according to HP tech support. Been there, done that, in the- >> past two weeks. A collossal waste of time.  >> >> >l; > Truly a collossal waste of time. I've just done a WindowsrE > reinstallation for a friend whose disk had failed. It was a totally F > mind numbing experience, with about about a gazillion "Click Next to > continue",H > prompts which served no useful purpose, and I completely lost count of! > the number of reboots required.h >yE > But to bash you in not too rough a way, you should really count ther > costE > of your wasted time and use that to justify getting a decent backup G > solution. Back in 1997, the backup hardware I used didn't come cheap,tG > but when I could restore the lot in little more than an hour, it paid B > for itself many times over. The price today should be peanuts in
 > comparison.f  A Had imaged the system a while ago but the person using it did notsE backup/image it frequently (a laptop). Many apps were installed on itt since - hence the pain.n  J The real idiocy of the way the Windows registry works is that all criticalJ bits are located there rather than with an application. It would have beenI much better if MS said to application developers that all an applicationsmJ bits were to be retained in the application's own directories and that theG registry existed only to provide 'directory entries' (and certain otheruI small bits) to the apps. That way backing up an app 'standalone' with all ' preferences intact would be far easier.v   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:42:30 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>0 Subject: Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP+ Message-ID: <2k78inF180pq0U1@uni-berlin.de>'   John Smith wrote:r   [about Windows woes...]h   >e > C > Had imaged the system a while ago but the person using it did notiG > backup/image it frequently (a laptop). Many apps were installed on it  > since - hence the pain.p >e  ; Two distinct problems I have observed in the Windows world:   * 1. No discipline of doing regular backups.F 2. Installing applications left right and centre seems to be the norm.  C On point 1, with my very first PC I used Kermit to bash everything l? across to my VAX and then to TK50. It took ages, but I'd do it nD overnight, so no discomfort, and when someone gave me a floppy with : virus it was a simple overnight restore to correct things.  C On point 2, even in the VMS world, there are products around which  E blithely assume you can upgrade to the latest version of Java, IE or  G Netscape/Mozilla. This is sheer hell if you have a well locked down PC  I and corporate policy forbids downloading software from the web. Yet even  H otherwise technically astute folks question you when you state that you  aren't going to do that.  L > The real idiocy of the way the Windows registry works is that all criticalL > bits are located there rather than with an application. It would have beenK > much better if MS said to application developers that all an applicationsBL > bits were to be retained in the application's own directories and that theI > registry existed only to provide 'directory entries' (and certain other K > small bits) to the apps. That way backing up an app 'standalone' with all?) > preferences intact would be far easier.u >   G In principle, the idea of a central repository of information isn't so d? bad, but the registry is implemented in an awful way. Even the -A 'directory entries' you suggest break badly - I have memories of tE installing Office 97 then adding a new disk. Ouch - when D: suddenly fC changed its name to E: there were all those registry entries still  I pointing to D:. 'nuff said. Easy to solve if you have a brand new system rH and rename your CD to something like R: before you start installing any K apps, but with the bundled systems which come nowadays that isn't possible.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:46:51 GMTb" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG0 Subject: Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP0 Message-ID: <00A33FFF.9401BD8F@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ] In article <haudnSuVC4L_jELdRVn-jg@speakeasy.net>, Rich Jordan <duodec@speakeasy.net> writes:g >Paul Sture wrote: >> John Smith wrote: >> 0 >> [about Windows woes...] >> R >>>> >>>nE >>> Had imaged the system a while ago but the person using it did not.I >>> backup/image it frequently (a laptop). Many apps were installed on itR >>> since - hence the pain.@ >>>S >.4 >- Take peecee hard drive, remove from peecee system >eD >- Plug peecee hard drive into OpenVMS Alpha (PWS600au) using Acard M >IDE-SCSI converter (unless you are fortunate enough to have a SCSI-based PC)n  G I had a piece of shit Gateway that was purchased for me to do a projecthG (I'd never never never never never put any money, not 1 cent, into thatoF micro$hit organization).  The kids and wife used it for the most part.G First the monitor died in about 6 months (I leave my old trusty DEC VRCeH and VRT on all the time.  This Gateway monitor was not on all that oftenG and it died off quickly).  Then the mouse decided to spring its left or-G rigth click button. The keyboard followed soon after.  At the beginning=H of the year, the entire NT disk went nuts NVTS nuts.  I tried repeatedlyG to reinstall but everytime it was done and I went to log in, it said it31 was not able to run netlogin someshit or another.d  H I finally decided it needed a proper burial in front of a snowplow head-G ing down the street.  Damn, wouldn't you know it, the picture didn't do  it justice.2  F Anyhow, I found a dual processor P3 800MHz system with SCSI!  Yeah, noH Billy tax.  I found I can take a dist from it and back it up as you sug-H gest.  I event initialized the disk, wrote crap all over it and then re- stored it.  It booted!  G No more dicking in Gatesland when the piece of shit decides it wants toe2 act like a spoilt rotten child throwing a tantrum.  F Now, if it was only as easy as that to get rid of that shithead Gates.   -- uB http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.y -- IK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             o5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" -   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:42:05 -0400s* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>0 Subject: Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP2 Message-ID: <y9adnRHk5N2LxkLdRVn-sA@metrocast.net>  5 "Rich Jordan" <duodec@speakeasy.net> wrote in messageD, news:haudnSuVC4L_jELdRVn-jg@speakeasy.net... > Paul Sture wrote:o > > John Smith wrote:  > >u > > [about Windows woes...]  > >  > >> > >>F > >> Had imaged the system a while ago but the person using it did notJ > >> backup/image it frequently (a laptop). Many apps were installed on it > >> since - hence the pain. > >> >j5 > - Take peecee hard drive, remove from peecee system- > D > - Plug peecee hard drive into OpenVMS Alpha (PWS600au) using AcardJ > IDE-SCSI converter (unless you are fortunate enough to have a SCSI-based PC)n >n8 > - BACKUP/PHYSICAL peecee hard disk to saveset on tape. >o > - Repeat monthly (or so...)r  K I haven't been following this thread, so apologies if this has already beendH mentioned, but an inexpensive utility like Partition Magic plus an extraI drive is all it takes to create a backup image of whatever partitions youlL want to make sure you have a copy of (including bootable system partitions).H If you want even more flexibility, $50 +/- will buy a USB2.0 (60 MB/sec)J external enclosure which you can populate with an inexpensive large ATA orH SATA 3.5" drive, plug into any PC with a USB port (though if they're oldJ enough to be USB1.1, the transfer speed will only be 1.5 MB/sec), and copyJ files or entire partitions to your heart's content from as many PCs as you care to.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:58:45 -05000( From: Rich Jordan <duodec@speakeasy.net>0 Subject: Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP2 Message-ID: <Q62dnRBbfOow8ELdRVn-vw@speakeasy.net>   Bill Todd wrote:7 > "Rich Jordan" <duodec@speakeasy.net> wrote in message=. > news:haudnSuVC4L_jELdRVn-jg@speakeasy.net... > 8 >>- BACKUP/PHYSICAL peecee hard disk to saveset on tape. >> >>- Repeat monthly (or so...)| >  > M > I haven't been following this thread, so apologies if this has already been J > mentioned, but an inexpensive utility like Partition Magic plus an extraK > drive is all it takes to create a backup image of whatever partitions youpN > want to make sure you have a copy of (including bootable system partitions).J > If you want even more flexibility, $50 +/- will buy a USB2.0 (60 MB/sec)L > external enclosure which you can populate with an inexpensive large ATA orJ > SATA 3.5" drive, plug into any PC with a USB port (though if they're oldL > enough to be USB1.1, the transfer speed will only be 1.5 MB/sec), and copyL > files or entire partitions to your heart's content from as many PCs as you
 > care to. >  > - bill >  >  >   D My wife has a 200GB external firewire unit on her current Mac.  The I older one had a SCSI interface and an internal Sony DAT drive, but Apple  A makes it a little harder to do that with the G4 and newer units. -F Anything important gets burned to Kodak Gold CDs, or soon to whatever G brand of DVD-R turns out to not have fading problems.  Recovery from a fH system disk failure would still be a pain since you'd have to reinstall E a base system.  With the tape on the old box there was the option of tI having bootable CD/floppys that would get you to the point of recovering - the system image.o  H The real problem with your suggestion is that you are trusting a second I consumer-grade IDE hard drive as backup for the first consumer grade IDE  I hard drive, and they are both present, and probably running, in the same aI location, on the same power.  Home users who turn their machines off, or nG disconnect the external drive whenever its not in use making an actual iH backup might be OK.  We've had close to 20% failure rate on Maxtor, and F 25% on WD drives within the first year when used in an always on (not B necessarily always busy though) environment.  Granted that you're I spreading the risk a little, but its still not a very trustworthy backup -H method.  Seagates are noticeably better but we've had a few of those go E bad as well.  There's a reason all the mfg's dropped the warranty on O  these drives to 1 year from 3...   Rich CCS4   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:12:49 +0200g* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>0 Subject: Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP+ Message-ID: <2k9r73F19jhgkU1@uni-berlin.de>i   Bill Todd wrote:7 > "Rich Jordan" <duodec@speakeasy.net> wrote in messageM. > news:haudnSuVC4L_jELdRVn-jg@speakeasy.net... >  >>Paul Sture wrote:  >> >>>John Smith wrote: >>>f >>>[about Windows woes...] >>>g >>>p >>>>E >>>>Had imaged the system a while ago but the person using it did notAI >>>>backup/image it frequently (a laptop). Many apps were installed on ite >>>>since - hence the pain.  >>>> >>5 >>- Take peecee hard drive, remove from peecee system- >>D >>- Plug peecee hard drive into OpenVMS Alpha (PWS600au) using AcardJ >>IDE-SCSI converter (unless you are fortunate enough to have a SCSI-based >  > PC)i > 8 >>- BACKUP/PHYSICAL peecee hard disk to saveset on tape. >> >>- Repeat monthly (or so...)  >  > M > I haven't been following this thread, so apologies if this has already been J > mentioned, but an inexpensive utility like Partition Magic plus an extraK > drive is all it takes to create a backup image of whatever partitions youeN > want to make sure you have a copy of (including bootable system partitions).J > If you want even more flexibility, $50 +/- will buy a USB2.0 (60 MB/sec)L > external enclosure which you can populate with an inexpensive large ATA orJ > SATA 3.5" drive, plug into any PC with a USB port (though if they're oldL > enough to be USB1.1, the transfer speed will only be 1.5 MB/sec), and copyL > files or entire partitions to your heart's content from as many PCs as you
 > care to. >   I That's useful to know thanks. I didn't realise PM could do image backups.8   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:44:56 +0100tO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>x0 Subject: Re: slap in the face again... thanks HP0 Message-ID: <cbphu8$is4$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:f > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<cbeopj$s1p$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  >  >>Bob Ceculski wrote:a >>p >>>bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message news:<d7791aa1.0406221722.193e6ad9@posting.google.com>... >>>  >>>j\ >>>>VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A33BCA.6247AC22@SendSpamHere.ORG>... >>>> >>>>< >>>>>Still, there's no reason for making it WEENDOZE only.   >>>>>-- G >>>>>http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityaG >>>>>                           solutions that others only claim to be.w >>>> >>>>D >>>>why not windoze only ... it is fine as a client, but that is it! >>>w >>>e; >>>whoa, whoa, whoa ... I said windoze as a client ONLY ...s: >>>not running the backend core business ... and there are: >>>thin clients now that run vt emulators (i.e. powerterm)7 >>>that eliminate the need to virus scan (yahmail workss5 >>>great for email) ... so what I am saying is to use 8 >>>windoze for it is, a client to vms, and nothing more! >> >>Not quite. >>: >>The clients that run powerterm run WinCE which is itself7 >>vunerable to virii so you still need your virus scan.v >> >>Details details. >>	 >>Regardse >>Andrew Harrison> >  > 5 > not if that code in in a thin client with read onlyp	 > memory!m0 Well it you really have your clients set up that0 way then you will protect them from one class of. virii, you won't however protect them from one3 of a number of attacks that simply attempt to crash>	 your box.    Details, Details   Regards> Andrew Harrisonl   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jun 2004 19:56:02 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)a- Subject: Re: Split I/Os to contiguous file???d3 Message-ID: <l4$AJlesFgvI@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  c In article <CPJwD4mW0Yds@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:ef > In article <bdc65a53.0406210326.1de2666c@posting.google.com>, gspamtackett@yahoo.com (Galen) writes: > H >> The UCB$L_MAXBCNT for this and the other SCSI disks that I checked is? >> indeed 20000 hex which corresponds to a limit of 256 blocks.u > H >> Now the problem is to determine whether the split I/Os are really the+ >> big limiting factor on write throughput.a > D > Try cutting the UCB$L_MAXBCNT value in half and seeing if there is > an effect. > 6 > CMKRNL is your friend (at least on test systems :-).  /    Gee, I thought that was what >>>d/v was for.>   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jun 2004 02:37:53 -0700$ From: gspamtackett@yahoo.com (Galen)- Subject: Re: Split I/Os to contiguous file???f= Message-ID: <bdc65a53.0406280137.39b44f2a@posting.google.com>N   Richard,  C $io_perform produces split I/Os as well, but based on what Paul hasr( said here, that may not be surprising...   Galen   k "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> wrote in message news:<cbeff2$il7$1@sparta.btinternet.com>...e > Hi,b > > > Do you get split I/Os with only $QIO or $io_perform as well? >  > Regards Richard Mahert >t   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:04:41 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)' Subject: Re: Supported fonts with CSWB?e$ Message-ID: <cbkve9$u2r$2@online.de>  3 In article <R9LYkCpWf5yl@eisner.encompasserve.org>,a7 kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes: $  C > Is there an easy way to figure out which fonts the CSWB (Mozilla)tC > browser supports?  I'd like to try some new font styles for some tF > local pages, and would prefer to start with a list of known workable > fonts.  F I am STILL trying to find out what I should do so that Cyrillic fonts G will display in the same range of strengths, sizes and shapes as Latin eG fonts.  I know that I have to install more fonts, and I know how to do EF that, but I don't know where to get the fonts---or I don't know WHICH H fonts to get.  One can easily find ALL the fonts I need on the web, but ( I want to install JUST the fonts I need.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:59:46 -0400E' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>l' Subject: Re: Supported fonts with CSWB?o1 Message-ID: <iYmdnVFeJ4r4r33dRVn-gw@adelphia.com>t   Marty Kuhrt wrote:  B >Is there an easy way to figure out which fonts the CSWB (Mozilla)B >browser supports?  I'd like to try some new font styles for some E >local pages, and would prefer to start with a list of known workablei >fonts.a >  d >t? Well, the browser will be able to use whichever fonts you have dE installed. You should be able to see what you have with this command:-  5 $ mcr SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP.EXAMPLES.DECW.UTILS]XLSFONTS:  H For information on adding more fonts, check this Mozilla bug report out:  2 http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113442   Colin.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:49:24 +0200h! From: Soterro <soterroatyahoocom>r Subject: Re: VAX  Spare Partso9 Message-ID: <40dff748$0$326$4d4ef98e@read.news.ch.uu.net>o   Keith Cayemberg wrote:  F > here's an informal and incomplete list of DEC Hardware Resellers in B > North America, and some which speciallize in DEC CPU Upgrades...   Hello,  C Could you provide such an _impressive_ list also for Europe please?:  
 Thanks a lot,E Sm   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 01:36:27 GMTp From: Mind <ifI@toons-x.com>/ Subject: Want to stroke Marge Simpson's pussy?!s2 Message-ID: <vCKDc.13163$vO1.88846@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  O As our treat, simpsons characters like Lisa taking off all their clothes (pics)a  < Available from Http://www.ToonToon.com/ximpsons/../ximpsons/  > Don't you forget Http://www.Toons-X.Com///simpsons_family for > more candid portraits of Bart and Maggie experiencing orgazms.          / Bart <reacheddown@toons-x.com> wrote in messaget6 news:j9oVXZkFvcl7FR7B5vVVfWK5ttCrKwFZol@toons-x.com... >lD > automatically to pick up his dropped towel You dont have to bring  >o >h	 > ddx501s    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jun 2004 19:47:29 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)wO Subject: Re: [OpenVMS, DECnet] How to do DECnet over - secure (ssh, ssl) - IP ?u3 Message-ID: <tOyoRRrg0+9F@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <newscache$p8rkzh$74e1$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:F > Now that everyone tends to replace TELNET with SSH and FTP with sFTPO > how does one do DECnet over a secured IP link with VMS supported components ?h >   D    IIRC DECnet over IP uses port 700.  You should be able to forward    700 via SSH.l  D    Getting HP to support it is another issue, they seem to be prettyB    slow on SSH, I still see users posting issues forwarding X11.  +    Maybe another IP vendor will support it.    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 08:49:40 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)O Subject: Re: [OpenVMS, DECnet] How to do DECnet over - secure (ssh, ssl) - IP ?o1 Message-ID: <newscache$89rwzh$ja12$1@news.sil.at>a  q In article <tOyoRRrg0+9F@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:6k >In article <newscache$p8rkzh$74e1$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:oG >> Now that everyone tends to replace TELNET with SSH and FTP with sFTP.P >> how does one do DECnet over a secured IP link with VMS supported components ? > E >   IIRC DECnet over IP uses port 700.  You should be able to forwardL >   700 via SSH.  E DECnet over IP used TCP port 399 (and OSI over IP uses TCP Port 102). $ Forward with what ? SSH or STUNNEL ? STUNNEL on the local machine ?A Port 399 on the local machine is used by DECnet-over-IP incoming.,  F Port 399 on a local alias IP address with an STUNNEL would make sense.D I haven't tried already. And you would connect to the remote machine. by connecting to the local alias IP address...  E >   Getting HP to support it is another issue, they seem to be pretty C >   slow on SSH, I still see users posting issues forwarding X11.  0, >   Maybe another IP vendor will support it.  G No, other vendor won't help. It must be integrated in VMS (or TCPIP)...9 -- d Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERo% Network and OpenVMS system specialistd E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jun 2004 05:14:46 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)O Subject: Re: [OpenVMS, DECnet] How to do DECnet over - secure (ssh, ssl) - IP ?a= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0406260414.1e50e153@posting.google.com>-  o peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote in message news:<newscache$p8rkzh$74e1$1@news.sil.at>...RF > Now that everyone tends to replace TELNET with SSH and FTP with sFTPO > how does one do DECnet over a secured IP link with VMS supported components ?6 > 
 > Background:>? > 1) SET HOST does still have features which others like TELNET D > and/or SSH have not like a) support for SET TERMINAL/WIDTH=200 and@ > SET TERMINAL/PAGE=48 forcing DECterm window to properly resize > b) usernames with a $ in itb7 > c) /NEW_PASSWORD specified with the username at logins4 > d) /NOCOMMAND specified with the username at login > ? > 2) COPY does still have features which others like FTP and/or-4 > sFTP have not like a) support for VMS file formatsM > b) support for keeping file dates c) support for specifying file protectionA > J > 3) DECnet (over IP) has still features which other protocols can't offerG > because DECnet is integrated into RMS a) F$FILE_ATTRIBUTE b) F$SEARCH  > E > I don't expect, that said disadvantages will vanish in this decade.pG > So, running DECnet is still preferred, but not with passwords runninggL > in cleartext over the network (the reason why TELNET/FTP get/got replaced) > P > And, no, running a VPN in routers or other external equipment is not in scope.N > And STUNNEL seems also not an option because it is not supported by VMS eng. > , > Did anyone of you had such a requirement ? > How did you solve it ?: > What plans do exist at HPQ for secure DECnet (over IP) ? > Secure PWIP ?e > 
 > Many TIA  @ it will not work with any decnet because of channel problems ...< however, Process will modify TCPware for Phase IV over IP to work for a price!a   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:31:27 +0200n From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>X Subject: Re: [OpenVMS, DECnet] How to do DECnet over - secure (ssh, ssl) - IP ? IP ?IP ?2 Message-ID: <cbj1ni$j3a$1@news3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Bob Koehler wrote:l > In article <newscache$p8rkzh$74e1$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: > F >>Now that everyone tends to replace TELNET with SSH and FTP with sFTPO >>how does one do DECnet over a secured IP link with VMS supported components ?e >> >  > F >    IIRC DECnet over IP uses port 700.  You should be able to forward >    700 via SSH.s > F >    Getting HP to support it is another issue, they seem to be prettyD >    slow on SSH, I still see users posting issues forwarding X11.  - >    Maybe another IP vendor will support it.  >  These are the ports:  (      RFC1006 Listener Ports            =	         {.            102 ,            399	         }   P The problem is that just as with FTP, DECnet could be using two channels at the K same time. If that is the caes, then you have a big problem since SSH only )# supports one-channel communication.F   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.355 ************************UEDd4p2dnA@scarlet.biz>, "Starlet731" <starlet731@attglobal.net> writes:# >Correction to my previous message:  >eI >When I configured TCPIP under OpenVMS VAX V7.3 and then issued the startw4 >command the system hanged at the following message: >S4 >%TCPIP-S-STARTDONE, TCP/IP Kernel startup completed  A You could define SYSGEN Parameter STARTUP_P2 = "DC" to get a moreo, detailed info into SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.LOG...   -- P Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER.% Network and Opd.; >>> 226 Transfer completed.  14297 (8) bytes transferred. <<< PORT 80,137,5,135,194,1295 >>> 200 Port 194.129 at Host 80.137.5.135 accepted. <<< RETR mqix.6S >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/vax_games/mqix.6 (6446 bytes) started.: >>> 226 Transfer completed.  5571 (8) bytes transferred. <<< PORT 80,137,5,135,194,130 5 >>> 200 Port 194.130 at Host 80.137.5.135 accepted.  <<< RETR mushroom.PACKAGE \ >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/vax_games/mushroom.PACKAG