1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 07 Mar 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 133       Contents:' Re: Check out these new VT flat panels! ' Re: Check out these new VT flat panels! & Re: Digital Personal workstation 600au& Re: Digital Personal workstation 600au  Re: dismounting a spooled device  Re: GTECH, Lotteries and OpenVMS/ Re: GTECH, Lotteries and OpenVMS and Peoplesoft  Re: HP CSWB problem on AS4100  Re: HP CSWB problem on AS4100 G Re: OpenVMS virus proof while other disks get zapped by latest viruses! G Re: OpenVMS virus proof while other disks get zapped by latest viruses! G Re: OpenVMS virus proof while other disks get zapped by latest viruses! G Re: OpenVMS virus proof while other disks get zapped by latest viruses! D Re: Professional Agitator - Harrison, Andrew. Confimed on sun.com!!! Re: Support of USB Memory stick 6 Re: The Inquirer:   HP re-thinking its IA-64 strategy?6 Re: The Inquirer:   HP re-thinking its IA-64 strategy?6 Re: The Inquirer:   HP re-thinking its IA-64 strategy? Re: Two Node Cluster Config  Re: Two Node Cluster Config ; very new TCPIP patches (ECO 4 for TCPIP 5.3, VAX and ALPHA) ( Re: [OT] I won 2 million euros. So what?3 Re: [OT] We've always know that Solaris is junk....   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 12:13:26 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>0 Subject: Re: Check out these new VT flat panels!0 Message-ID: <404B11E6.328933EF@sture.homeip.net>   Bob Ceculski wrote:  > 3 > I have one on order to test ... they are awesome!  > / > http://www.midcomdata.com/terminal/planar.htm   E Pardon me Bob, but how do you know they are awesome _before_ you have  tested one?    :-)    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Mar 2004 08:26:50 -0800 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)0 Subject: Re: Check out these new VT flat panels!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0403070826.6ee24038@posting.google.com>   b Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in message news:<404B11E6.328933EF@sture.homeip.net>... > Bob Ceculski wrote:  > > 5 > > I have one on order to test ... they are awesome!  > > 1 > > http://www.midcomdata.com/terminal/planar.htm  > G > Pardon me Bob, but how do you know they are awesome _before_ you have  > tested one?  >  > :-)   4 because I talked to our sales rep who referred me to3 someone who uses them now and he said they are, and ! from what I heard, I agree ... :)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 12:29:25 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>/ Subject: Re: Digital Personal workstation 600au 0 Message-ID: <404B15A5.2C181EFC@sture.homeip.net>   G Henry wrote: >   > I hope someone can help me.... >  > I have two questions.... > H > I  have a Digital Personal Workstation 600au that I would like to likeE > to put VMS on.  I had NT on it and I changed it over to SRM and set  > the following Parameters >  > boot_osflags ""  > auto_action halt > OS_type OpenVMS  > Bootdef_dev dka0 > A > I have the following devices on the machine after a show device  > 6 > DKA0            RZ1CB-BS                        0818. > DKA300  COMPAQ BD018635C4               B017. > DQA0            TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-6202B 1110 > DVA0 > EWA0 > PKA0            mac address  > PQA0            SCSI Bus IS 7  > PQA0            PCI EIDE > PQB0            PCI EIDE > C > WHen put the 7.3.-2 CD into the machine and boot with the command  >  > boot -flags 0,0 dka0 > $ > I get the following on the screen: >  >      boot dqa0.0.0.4.03 >      block 0 of dqa0.0.04.0 is a valid boot block + >      reading 1134 blocks from dqa0.0.04.0  >      bootstrap code read in 2 >      base=1d800 image_start=-, Image_bytes=8dc00  >      Initializing HWRPBat 2000( >      Initializing page table at 1CA000! >      Initializing machine state & >      Setting affinity to primary CPU  >      Jumping to bootstrap code > 5 >      OpenVMS Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3-2 E >      c Copywrite 1976-2003 Hewlett-Packard Development Company L.P.  > F >      INIT_IO_DB-F-CFG_DEV_NOT_FOUND, a device onthe boot line, or in4 >      Boot_Dev cannot be found in the config tables > ? >     -console pathname IDE 0 4 0 0 0 0 0, ID=00000000.06461095  > : >     Ignoring the device, and not loading the boot driver > ? >     OpenVMS Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3-2 - BUGCHECK  > G > and thent he system trys to write a Dump to the disk and of course it E > cannot.  It looks like it is in an infinet loop since it just keeps " > tring to boot until I power down > G > Is my problem, that 7.3-1 does not support this machine??????  If not  > what am I doing wrong??  >   * V7.3-1 certainly does work on a PWS 600au.  H But mine has a SCSI CD, not an IDE one. Does your CD drive have a jumper  setting for 512 byte addressing?  
 From the FAQ:     / "OpenVMS assumes that the device driver and the 6 underlying storage device will present the file system7 with addressable units of storage of 512 bytes in size, 5 or the appearance of same. Various third-party CD-ROM 5 devices, for instance, support only 2048 byte blocks, 3 and such devices are incompatible with the standard  OpenVMS device drivers."                           F > THe version of VMS that I really want on this machine is 7.2-1 sinceD > our 3 alphas are running 7.2.-1 but we cannot find the CD's in theE > office.  Does anyone have an ISO image they can send me or point me  > to?  >  > Thanks in advance  >  > Gary Henry   --     --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 14:42:54 GMT & From: G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com>/ Subject: Re: Digital Personal workstation 600au 8 Message-ID: <r6dm409rmgv72smid13m1i5pgkhjof5g8l@4ax.com>  E Sorry..  I made a typo in my original post that Jan-Erik pointed out. E I am tring to boot off the CD and the boot line that I used to create  this error is:   boot -flags 0,0 dqa0  @ Paul suggested that the CD might be set to the wrong mode or notD capable of reading 512 mode.  The CD that I am using is the one thatD came with the machine the device list below says it is a toshiba butF it has PCXRN-AR.  The unit still has the alternate jumper installed on it.   F Question... If the problem was related to the CDnot being able to readF the dirve,  would I be able to even get as far as I have been getting?  F I do not have a SCSI CDROM to plug in to this unit.  DOes any one have any suggestions?????      . On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 12:29:25 +0100, Paul Sture  <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote:   >G Henry wrote:  >>  ! >> I hope someone can help me....  >>   >> I have two questions....  >>  I >> I  have a Digital Personal Workstation 600au that I would like to like F >> to put VMS on.  I had NT on it and I changed it over to SRM and set >> the following Parameters  >>   >> boot_osflags "" >> auto_action halt  >> OS_type OpenVMS >> Bootdef_dev dka0  >>  B >> I have the following devices on the machine after a show device >>  7 >> DKA0            RZ1CB-BS                        0818 / >> DKA300  COMPAQ BD018635C4               B017 / >> DQA0            TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-6202B 1110  >> DVA0  >> EWA0  >> PKA0            mac address  >> PQA0            SCSI Bus IS 7 >> PQA0            PCI EIDE  >> PQB0            PCI EIDE  >>  D >> WHen put the 7.3.-2 CD into the machine and boot with the command >>   >> boot -flags 0,0 dka0  >>  % >> I get the following on the screen:  >>   >>      boot dqa0.0.0.4.0 4 >>      block 0 of dqa0.0.04.0 is a valid boot block, >>      reading 1134 blocks from dqa0.0.04.0 >>      bootstrap code read in3 >>      base=1d800 image_start=-, Image_bytes=8dc00 ! >>      Initializing HWRPBat 2000 ) >>      Initializing page table at 1CA000 " >>      Initializing machine state' >>      Setting affinity to primary CPU ! >>      Jumping to bootstrap code  >>  6 >>      OpenVMS Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3-2F >>      c Copywrite 1976-2003 Hewlett-Packard Development Company L.P. >>  G >>      INIT_IO_DB-F-CFG_DEV_NOT_FOUND, a device onthe boot line, or in 5 >>      Boot_Dev cannot be found in the config tables  >>  @ >>     -console pathname IDE 0 4 0 0 0 0 0, ID=00000000.06461095 >>  ; >>     Ignoring the device, and not loading the boot driver  >>  @ >>     OpenVMS Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3-2 - BUGCHECK >>  H >> and thent he system trys to write a Dump to the disk and of course itF >> cannot.  It looks like it is in an infinet loop since it just keeps# >> tring to boot until I power down  >>  H >> Is my problem, that 7.3-1 does not support this machine??????  If not >> what am I doing wrong?? >> > + >V7.3-1 certainly does work on a PWS 600au.  > I >But mine has a SCSI CD, not an IDE one. Does your CD drive have a jumper ! >setting for 512 byte addressing?  >  >From the FAQ: >  > 0 >"OpenVMS assumes that the device driver and the7 >underlying storage device will present the file system 8 >with addressable units of storage of 512 bytes in size,6 >or the appearance of same. Various third-party CD-ROM6 >devices, for instance, support only 2048 byte blocks,4 >and such devices are incompatible with the standard >OpenVMS device drivers."  >                          > G >> THe version of VMS that I really want on this machine is 7.2-1 since E >> our 3 alphas are running 7.2.-1 but we cannot find the CD's in the F >> office.  Does anyone have an ISO image they can send me or point me >> to? >>   >> Thanks in advance >>  
 >> Gary Henry  >  >--    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 09:51:17 +0100, From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>) Subject: Re: dismounting a spooled device : Message-ID: <c2enpt$1t5ljr$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>  L "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>1 schreef in bericht news:c2egr5$pk6$1@online.de... E > I want to dismount a disk, but the system complains that there is a  > device spooled to it.  > ( > How do I find out what this device is? > I > I'm pretty sure that I don't need the spooled device; it's probably the I > result of some obsolete queue.  Is there a way I can unspool the device J > without knowing the details (necessary only if I can't find out what the
 > device is).  >  Wouldn't this help:    $ show dev dja0:/files   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Mar 2004 00:44:15 -0800 7 From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones) ) Subject: Re: GTECH, Lotteries and OpenVMS = Message-ID: <8a646952.0403070044.1d47ac18@posting.google.com>    Dear John Smith:  D Remember, VMS was not the only platform that was dropped from SybaseF support at that time. The one item that stands out amoungst the 14 OSsE that were dropped was the cost of support and their growth potential. F Sybase was a sinking ship at those times and the rats were leaving. ItF was shocking the number of offices that emptied out while I was there.  E I have heard of VMS being sent up as its own company since Palmer was @ in the chair. VMS is a cash cow to its owners. I have heard that@ Government is big user of VMS and like UNISYS its not going awayC anytime soon. So don't hold breath. I hate to see you turn blue for  nothing.  A My guess why Sybase 10 ran like a dog had to do more with DECnet. B There were 90 tests that had be completed for testing the softwareD fixes. One of the big complaints I heard was that Sybase 10 with VMSD using DECnet took twice as long as compared UNIX using TCPIP. SybaseB 11 with VMS using DECnet was the same. However, Sybase 11 with VMSF using TCPIP took the same time as UNIX using TCPIP. The problem wasn'tC VMS. It was DECnet! The simple solution was to move the VMS clients D from DECnet to TCPIP and that took 5 minutes. Nobody at Sybase had a clue!   B There were other problems in Sybase and if their clients had known@ about it. I don't think Sybase would have kept many of their VMSD customers. If you have read carefully what I have written, you couldA guess what one of the major problems were with Sybase 11 for VMS.    I leave it there.   
 Best Regards,  Daryl Jones     s "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<Lpw2c.129267$sl.59558@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>... F > "Daryl Jones" <jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message9 > news:8a646952.0403061501.40d8bcd0@posting.google.com...  > > Dear John Smith: > > E > > What you are taunting about is theory. What I am talking about is E > > real. I was there fixing the 11.x server build just after VMS was J > > abandon. So, when I said the reason was financial rather than anythingG > > else, this was reason being said internal to Sybase in 1997. At the H > > end of 1997, Sybase was supposed to be in the black. However, it wasE > > found out that Sybase Japan had counted 90-day licenses as sales. F > > Supposedly, all of the Japanese personnel were let go. Sybase wentG > > from black to red, which cause the laying off of all contractors. I H > > wasn't affected. I already had another contract setup. Sybase neededI > > to financially grow out of their problems. VMS didn't have the growth E > > potential. Sybase/VMS had some big customers like GTECH and a big I > > financial company in NYC that had a lot of weight in Sybase. So, they B > > had to give the VMS users until 2004 before pulling the plug.  >  >  > M > Ever hear of a guy named John Chen? I don't really know if he was at Sybase M > back then or not (97-99), but in more recent conversations I have been told L > that since the Sybase/VMS market was negative growth then (a positive spinH > on a losing proposition), the decision was made to pull the plug. ThatM > Sybase 10 was a dog's breakfast didn't help, as a large number of customers M > chose to wait for Sybase 11, but the driving consideration by Sybase at the L > time with respect to VMS was that Digital/Compaq was doing squat to market > VMS. > M > As to the 5 years of support after EOL - that is required under FTC rules - N > same if you are Ford, GM, or any other manufacturer. If Sybase customers gotH > an extra year or two, then it's because Sybase was doing them a favor.L > Notice that Compaq/HP's 'solemn promise' of support for 5 years in variousL > and sundry statements refers indirectly to that very same FTC requirement. > M > Of course 5 years of support does not apply to bankrupt companies. Don't be N > suprised if VMS got spun into self-standing entity just prior to IA-64 beingK > killed and HP/Intel decline to license rights to Alpha or IA64 to anyone. J > Goodbye platform, hello bankruptcy, goodbye 5 years of support. Consider6 > yourself hosed, and thank you for chosing BillyWare. >  > Have a nice day.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 16:54:28 +0100  From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>8 Subject: Re: GTECH, Lotteries and OpenVMS and Peoplesoft- Message-ID: <c2cs7m$2ks9$1@news.cybercity.dk>    Dr. Dweeb wrote: > Main, Kerry wrote: >>> -----Original Message-----, >>> From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com] >>> Sent: March 4, 2004 5:49 PM  >>> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com - >>> Subject: Re: GTECH, Lotteries and OpenVMS  >>>  >>> Rob Young wrote: >>>> In article F >>>> <UIH1c.76728$sl.7900@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John$ >>>> Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: >>>>> Rob Young wrote: >>>>E >>>>> If Ellison thought for a moment that it would be better for his H >>>>> shareholders (he being one of the larger ones) that Rdb disappear,< >>>>> then that's what will happen - customer migrations and >>> costs to the >>>>> customer be damned.  >>>>G >>>> Nice try.  I'd like to see him discontinue RDB.  A number of those > >>>> customers would migrate to a product *other* than Oracle. >>> That isn't1 >>>> smart business.  Larry is smarter than that.  >>>> >>>  >>> < >>> Remind me again how many Peoplesoft customers don't want= >>> Orcale to buy that company. How many of them will look to < >>> other vendors? Don't forget that Oracle's plan of record> >>> there is to kill the Peoplesoft product lineup and migrate, >>> all those customers to the Oracle suite. >>> > >>> Once Larry gets something into his bonnet he is not easily= >>> dissuaded. God help VMS if he decides Rdb's number is up.  >>>  >> >> John, >>D >> As mentioned previously, Oracle's public statement is to *not* toF >> kill the PeopleSoft products, but rather integrate them into OracleD >> offerings - and they use Oracle Rdb as an example where they haveG >> acquired technology and continued to enhance them - NOT kill them as H >> you imply with your "Oracles plan of record is to migrate them to the >> Oracle suite" statement.  >>
 >> Reference: = >> http://www.oracle.com/peoplesoft/index.html?customers.html A >> "We know how to do this. When Oracle acquired Rdb from Digital E >> Equipment Corporation in 1994, we promised to focus on quality and D >> stability while enhancing features based on customer demand. NineH >> years and thousands of satisfied customers later, we're doing exactlyG >> that. In fact, we've developed more than 50 percent of the code base 1 >> and sponsor annual customer forums worldwide."  >> > A > Sadly, this may have been the random factor that saved Rdb from 
 > Larrys axe.  >  > Was this how it went ??? > E > Someone astute in an Oracle suit remembers that pesky Rdb division.  > F > Suit: "Hey, Larry, remember that other database Rdb we picked up for* > a song from Digital about 10 years ago?" > E > Larry: "Shit, are those guys still around - I though we canned that . > division years ago !  They are still here? " >  > Suit "Yep" > F > Larry: "Well deep six em, we do not need this sort of baggage in the) > new net centric Oracle ... blah...blah"  > F > Suit: "Well Larry, they actually are still here, and doing what theyG > always did.  We have moved a lot of their engineers over to important F > stuff now, but we still support and enhance the product.  And Larry,D > here is the good news.  The fact that they stayed under your radarD > and kept alive inside Oracle can now be used to our advantage ..." > D > And thus came the statement Kerry posted, and thus Rdb survived to > live another day.  >  >   J Gee, I thought that might have been a wakeup call for some.  Perhaps had ID said something along the lines that "I am personally aware that this8 converstaion took place" it would have elicited comment.  B I think Larry has reached new heights of disingenuousness with theE Peoplesoft/Rdb statement.  But then again, he has always had a casual  relationship with the truth.  
 Dr. Dweeb.    E > By the way, anyone who has worked with monolithic software packages E > like Peoplesoft, OracleFinancials, SAP etc knows full well that you E > cannot "integrate them into" another product.  This is bullshit and / > everyone who understands the issues knows it.  > D > Shit, SAP is said to have well over a billion lines of code, and IG > have seen how bad the code is.  Oracle Financials is nothing to shout D > hooray about either when it comes to technical quality.  I have noB > reason to believe that PeopleSoft does not also carry around theB > baggage of past sins in copious quantities like the competitors. > E > This is about buying market share and eliminating a competitor.  If = > Oracle gets PeopleSoft (is the jury in yet? I have not been B > following) then it is goodbye PeopleSoft and hello a lot of veryG > pissed customers who might choose "anything but Oracle" as the escape ? > strategy.  Rather like people were/are choosing "anything but # > CompaQ/HP" as an escape strategy.  > > > There will be no "integration" because it is technically not: > feasible/impossible.  Functionality from PeopleSoft that= > OracleFinancials does not contain, might be retro-fitted to E > OracleFinancials, but it will be new code.  Oracle could do this by F > buying a copy of the software to see how it works rather than buying? > PeopleSoft the company- so why bother?  (see paragraph above)  >  > Dr. Dweeb. >  >> Regards,  >>
 >> Kerry Main  >> Senior Consultant >> HP Services Canada  >> Voice: 613-592-4660 >> Fax: 613-591-4477  >> Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom. >> (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 11:31:27 +0100 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> & Subject: Re: HP CSWB problem on AS4100: Message-ID: <c2etr3$1s3n0a$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>  & On 2004-03-07 08:18, "alphadoc" wrote:  K > I have downloaded and installed the HP secure web browser V1.4 as per the  > instructions. D > I can open web pages successfully until I get the following error:. > %DEBUGBOOT-W-EXQUOTA, process quota exceeded4 > %CXXL-F-EXCEPTION, exception thrown at PC=005620DC >  > [...]  >   > Any help would be appreciated.	 > Thanks.   9 Quoting from the "Mozilla for OpenVMS 1.5 Release Notes":   
 | * PGFLQUOTA F | PGFLQUOTA is the most important process quota to check. Following is@ | an estimate of the PGFLQUOTA you need for Mozilla for OpenVMS: | C | o 60,000 -- Starts Mozilla for OpenVMS and displays a simple page , | o 100,000 -- Displays several normal pagesE | o 200,000 or more -- Runs Mail/News, Composer, and displays complex 	 |   pages  | 	 | * FILLM E | o Increase the account's FILLM by 2n where n is the total number of : |   mail folders you have, or to 200, whichever is higher. | C | Note: The FILLM quota of a process should always be less than the H | SYSGEN CHANNELCNT parameter. Care must be taken when increasing FILLM,6 | and if necessary, CHANNELCNT must also be increased.  " SWB 1.4 might need similar quotas.   Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 12:35:04 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>& Subject: Re: HP CSWB problem on AS41000 Message-ID: <404B16F8.129E2985@sture.homeip.net>   alphadoc wrote:  > K > I have downloaded and installed the HP secure web browser V1.4 as per the  > instructions. D > I can open web pages successfully until I get the following error:. > %DEBUGBOOT-W-EXQUOTA, process quota exceeded4 > %CXXL-F-EXCEPTION, exception thrown at PC=005620DC > M > Needless to say the browser has bombed by the time I can read this and I am  > back at my Xterm.  > M > I quickly looked at the FAQ, and at the wizard, and as a result applied the  > following patches: > VMS731_PCSI-V0200  > VMS731_UPDATE-V0200  > VMS731_SYS-V0500 > VMS731_ACRTL-V0300 > " > The problem has not been solved. > I > When I installed CSWB, the following was necessary but not specifically ) > documented in the installation process: L > I had to increase the value of MIN_GBLSECTIONS in SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT > to get DecWindows to start. M > Have I missed something else? the error feels like I am hitting a memory or  > page limit. Am I close?  >   E Have you looked at the process quotas mentioned in the release notes?   D http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/mozilla_relnotes.html     --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 17:09:29 +0100  From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>P Subject: Re: OpenVMS virus proof while other disks get zapped by latest viruses!- Message-ID: <c2ct3u$2m1v$1@news.cybercity.dk>   ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > Bob Ceculski wrote: = >> I don't know if anyone has noticed, but a lot of companies 9 >> are getting creamed by the latest round of viruses ... : >> My boss has 4 friends from other companies who have all< >> lost servers ... but our "unhackable" virus proof OpenVMS: >> servers just keep humming along 24X7 ... isn't it great >> to be on OpenVMS?  :) > < > It may have escaped your notice but the only OS's infected8 > by the viruses you refer to are Windows based. By your6 > definition that makes all other OS's from Solaris to > Palmos unhackable. >   F Err  ... just a minor point of logic, "virus proof and unhackable" areL separate attributes of Bobs environment.  Your suggestion that Bob (and I amB no great Bob booster btw) by this statement somehow claims that byI "definition that makes all other OS's from Solaris to Palmos unhackable." 9 (or that you can somehow infer this) is patently stupid !   1 Bob makes no such claim implicitly or explicitly.   J I will leave it to a professional logician for the detailed explanation of why your statement is rubbish.  J I think you will find that Bob considers himself to be virus proof becauseI he has no WinDoze (a pretty fair bet I would say) and unhackable, because 2 all his servers run VMS (another pretty fair bet).  J Andrew, sometimes your in such a hurry to jerk everyone around, your brain seems to short circuit. I Of course, you are paid to be a jerk in this newsgroup, so it comes as no  great surprise.   
 Dr. Dweeb.  	 > Regards  > Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 00:59:43 +0100  From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>P Subject: Re: OpenVMS virus proof while other disks get zapped by latest viruses!, Message-ID: <c2dolf$oc0$1@news.cybercity.dk>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:/ > In article <c2ct3u$2m1v$1@news.cybercity.dk>, $ > "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com> writes:+ >> Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:  >>> Bob Ceculski wrote: ? >>>> I don't know if anyone has noticed, but a lot of companies ; >>>> are getting creamed by the latest round of viruses ... < >>>> My boss has 4 friends from other companies who have all> >>>> lost servers ... but our "unhackable" virus proof OpenVMS< >>>> servers just keep humming along 24X7 ... isn't it great >>>> to be on OpenVMS?  :) >>> > >>> It may have escaped your notice but the only OS's infected: >>> by the viruses you refer to are Windows based. By your8 >>> definition that makes all other OS's from Solaris to >>> Palmos unhackable. >>>  >>E >> Err  ... just a minor point of logic, "virus proof and unhackable" E >> are separate attributes of Bobs environment.  Your suggestion that D >> Bob (and I am no great Bob booster btw) by this statement somehowG >> claims that by "definition that makes all other OS's from Solaris to G >> Palmos unhackable." (or that you can somehow infer this) is patently  >> stupid !  >>4 >> Bob makes no such claim implicitly or explicitly. >>> >> I will leave it to a professional logician for the detailed0 >> explanation of why your statement is rubbish. >>E >> I think you will find that Bob considers himself to be virus proof @ >> because he has no WinDoze (a pretty fair bet I would say) andC >> unhackable, because all his servers run VMS (another pretty fair  >> bet). > @ > Uhhhh....  Bob just said he runs "powerterm for vt emulation".G > Powerterm is a Windows program, not a VMS program. He may not see it, D > recognize it or be willing to admit it, but he is running Windows,F > just like everyone else.  He doesn't have VMS to the desktop and his< > employers systems are just as vulnerable as anyone else's. >   L Thin clients running Windoze ?  Never having seen/heard of/used PowerTerm, II assumed (apparently incorrectly) that it ran on the MS Thin Client device H OS, the name of which escapes me right now.  His confusion about browser0 names I attributed to his normal confused state.  F All the "thin clients" I have used are in fact virus proof, and VMS isI essentially unhackable.  Now, if Bobs thin clients are a tad thicker and D they actually do more than serve up pictures, then it might be a bit different - however I doubt it.   + Either way, Andrews logic is still flawed.   	 Dr. Dweeb  >>G >> Andrew, sometimes your in such a hurry to jerk everyone around, your   >> brain seems to short circuit.F >> Of course, you are paid to be a jerk in this newsgroup, so it comes >> as no great surprise. >> > C > I am quite certain that if you could get Bob to stop being such a C > jerk in his comments regarding Sun (a feat I consider impossible) C > you would find that Andrew would no longer have find it necessary  > to continue the debate.  >  > bill   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Mar 2004 06:15:14 -0800 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)P Subject: Re: OpenVMS virus proof while other disks get zapped by latest viruses!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0403070615.3bebb0bf@posting.google.com>    winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") wrote in message news:<00A2E735.6C56B479@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>...j > In article <d7791aa1.0403061809.292099b5@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:m > >bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote in message news:<c2d0rh$1rv0t1$3@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>...  > F > If your company is in a position to mandate that people use obsoleteP > applications they don't like and that take longer to get good-looking work outQ > of, in exchange  for better security, then bully for you.  That's not how it is N > for us, and  I doubt that's how it is for anybody anywhere you don't have to > have a clearance to work.  > 	 > -- Alan   > our company doesn't mandate anything ... word11 is easy to use< and most of our employees still like it, just like they also8 like lotus ... if you want excel then we will give you a= peecee and you can go to town on excel ... most of our people ; have been with us many years and prefer these apps, and you < would be suprised how the new ones pick up easily and prefer7 word11 to excel for everyday wp ... to each his own ... < most of our letters are computer generated ... even our docs: are going to html on the web, so wp is becoming a thing of9 the past ... for basic wp and spreadsheets, excel and the ? other windoze garbage has nothing on the good old dec stuff ... ; if you believe you can be more productive for all things on < a pc over good old cell based, you are wrong ... I can still: maintain and develope code on a vms system with a good old: VT and EDT and DCL faster than anyone can in windows stuck= jumping back and forth between mouse and keyboard ... windoze : is only good for one thing, a graphical client, and a poor8 one at that ... decwindows is a suitable alternative ...= the only advantage windows has right now are certain apps ... ; it's a shame that digital got lost in the peecee low margin ; mindset and didn't stick solely to VMS/alpha/decwindows and 9 most importantly apps ... they may still have been around : today ... but if you want a peecee in our company Alan, we: will certainly give you one for a client, but not for your
 server ... :)    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Mar 2004 06:51:23 -0800 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)P Subject: Re: OpenVMS virus proof while other disks get zapped by latest viruses!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0403070651.6f63c636@posting.google.com>    winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") wrote in message news:<00A2E735.6C56B479@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>... > L > Are you serious about Word-11?  (And for that matter, about 20/20 or 1-2-3N > for spreadsheets?)  For the halfway-to-desktop-publishing uses people expectG > from word-processing programs now, Word-11 basically sucks.  When the K > alternative was Wang-style dedicated word processors, Word-11 was a great  > option, but now ...  > = > We still support it because we have scientific staff who've Q > been here for twenty years and who've got papers written in it (greek character N > support was a big deal), but almost all the clerical staff who understand itF > have left, and the new ones who come in aren't inclined to learn it. > O > Given the option, most people will use Word. And the ones who hate GUIs would  > sooner use TeX than Word-11. > L > Similarly, the VMS version of 1-2-3 is feature-compatible with 1-2-3 v. 1.M > Excel does more for you, is easier to use, has better ability to integrate  N > with other data sources *and is what people come to you knowing how to use*. > 	 > -- Alan   = and Alan, our accountants here who love lotus told me to tell < you that excel stinks (they actually used a slight veriation2 of this word, but I cleaned it up for them) ... :)   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Mar 2004 07:46:43 -0800 ' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson) M Subject: Re: Professional Agitator - Harrison, Andrew. Confimed on sun.com!!! = Message-ID: <734da31c.0403070746.61ea8baa@posting.google.com>   a GreyCloud <mist@Cumulus.com> wrote in message news:<XUm2c.726$Wc4.1392@bcandid.telisphere.com>...  > Alex Daniels wrote:  > " > >>From: Dr. Dweeb (dr@dweeb.com) > >>
 > > <SNIP> > >  > >>>Third:c > >>>h7 > >>>What does Andrew Harrison have to do with OpenVMS?  > >>>  > >>" > >>Why, I thought everyone knew?! > >>E > >>Andrew is Suns official, highly paid, professional agitator.  He  > >  > > provides > >  > >>sport <SNIP> > >  > > H > > I think the comment about him being a professional agitator could be/ > > more acurate than you suspect. Check out...  > > C > > http://www.sun.com/partners/tmo/erpsc/pdf/Vert_Hor_Com_Arch.pdfiF > > http://www.sun.com/datacenter/superg/docs/Atwood_SUPerG_Berlin.pdf > > J > > These documents seem to indicate Andy has produced a 'RAC calculator',H > > this program apprently "calculates" the relative cost buying sun kitI > > against other platforms for certain applications. Supposedly the userrH > > can input the make/model etc of another platform and it "calculates"  > > instantly why sun is better. > > G > > The documents go on to show a case study that compares sun to dell.w > > J > > If anyone has a copy of this, let me know, I'm allways interested in a > > good laugh.n > >  > > Alex > K > Well, it is rather obvious that a Sun rep. would troll a VMS news group. -J > By injecting biased comments into a vms newsgroup he can show potential I > customers that are thinking of OpenVMS as a solution to look into this :E > newsgroup for the various problems that crop up.  But then one can FJ > always go into a Solaris newsgroup and find that they too have many and  > various problems.e  E If Sun must take customers from VMS then Sun must be in real trouble.,D Perhaps Andrew know that the situation within Sun is even worse than@ what the public know. I would have some kind of understanding ofF Andrew if Sun had the market share similar to VMS and VMS was a marketD leader, but he is insisting on kicking on someone lying down which I find disgusting.  A I do my best telling customers not to choose Sun because of this.w   /David   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 21:50:06 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>s( Subject: Re: Support of USB Memory stickK Message-ID: <iIr2c.114017$ah.13977@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   D "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message' news:2o71c.47$GG1.7@news.cpqcorp.net...e$ > Do you have a requirement for one? > L > We have some code, but it isn't shipping or supported.  By letting us knowL > that there are real customer requirements, we can determine if it is worth) > qualifying the logic and supporting it.l    ' GnuPG / PGP encryption key ring storage4   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 15:10:33 -0500n* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>? Subject: Re: The Inquirer:   HP re-thinking its IA-64 strategy? ) Message-ID: <404A3036.93D2C721@istop.com>   ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:E > If HP have to dump IA64 the only OS that is still under development D > on Alpha will be OpenVMS, Tru64 is dissapearing fast and HP-UX and& > Tandem are unlikely to run on Alpha.  M Look at the Digital products. Alpha was a superior chip. I think even you had8 admitted that.  J Tru64 was considered to be technogically superior. The fact that HP had toL promise porting of many Tru64 features such as the file systems and clusting) to the inferior HP-UX is a telling point.   ' VMS was also technologically supperior.n  6 And remember that Linux and Windows also ran on Alpha.  K The problem with Digital products was simple: marketing. Without marketing,kN you not only lack sales, but also lack motivation for ISPs to port software to your platforms.o  L HOWEVER, if HP were to adopt Alpha, it could transform itself into a leadingK enterprise vendor with technologically suprior products of Digital combinedI2 with HP's marketing, mind share and customer base.  K Tandem was partly ported to Alpha. Not sure how far away they were, but EV7aN was the first chip capable of supporting NSK (with lockstepping). So one wouldL expect that NSK should have been ready more or less coinidental with release of EV7.n  N It would probably be easier to port HP-UX bits to Tru64 then the reverse sinceI the stuff ported from Tru64 to HP-UX is core stuff, not fluffy utilities.d  J Oh, and by the way, Tru64 probably still has greater application inventory than HP-UX has on IA64.H  A > You then get to the issue of if Intel could do a new generationoB > of Alpha processors and that would be tricky. The compiler teamsA > for Alpha all work for HP and if HP dump Itanium then the Intelr* > HP relationship is going to be strained.  I Nop. the digital compiler people (except for John Reagan) were donated asoN slaves to Intel. And when/if IA64 is dumped, it will more likely be Intel that is happy to dump it.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:15:33 GMTh# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>s? Subject: Re: The Inquirer:   HP re-thinking its IA-64 strategy?sL Message-ID: <FOm2c.112065$ah.106185@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in messaget, news:YMadnWG3hq0CqtTd4p2dnA@metrocast.net... >hH > "Island Computers USA" <dbturner@islandco.com.nospam> wrote in message, > news:104gv4unkljjibf@news.supernews.com...J > > Am I the only one that remains optimistic that HP will just go back to the': > > original "round wheel" that has already been invented? >dI > One of only a few, most likely.  ISTR that John Smith remains similarly K > optimistic, but I haven't been since the merger went through (which I was0K > sure would muddle things up beyond the point where resurrecting Alpha waslB > feasible - for that matter, I lost most hope when the merger was
 announced,K > for the same reason; before that, I hoped that the catastrophic effect bytJ > the Alphacide on Alpha sales would be sufficient to get Curly booted out andeF > the decision reevaluated, while most of the engineers might still be< > available rather than solidly embedded in Intel projects). >DG > > Is it that much work for Intel to tool up for another generation ofe AlphasE > > chips? (Itanium Hexagonal wheel couold cause a problem I suppose)e >mE > Last I knew IBM Microelectronics was the Alpha foundry.  I strongly  suspectnF > that they'd still be happy to make Alphas if HP were interested (the volumest- > wouldn't tax their capacity significantly).o >iK > But that would only at best bring back EV79 in 130 nm.  EV8 would require2K > far more development to complete than the remaining Alpha engineers at HP H > are capable of - and whether enough could be coaxed back from Intel to" > suffice is questionable at best. >a > >kL > > I thought all the grunt work for T64/VMS/NT/2000/Linux compatibility was > > there already in the Alpha.tJ > > It never ever made any sense to me to dump the world's fastest CPU for an8 > > Intel Alpha Clone (well, a mutated clone named IA64) > 6 > It never made any sense to any competent individual. >  > >A > >  > > Not trolling, just venting > > L > > Oh and VMS People - We have sold MORE VMS systems in 2003 than 2001-2002
 > > combined.ML > > The real "fall-off" id Tru64 - people in the Unix world seem to be quite
 > > fickle...  >7H > Not so much fickle, as forced out.  VMS and Linux Alpha users at least haveL > the option to continue using the OSs they know and love on other hardware,H > but Tru64 is a complete dead end:  its users have to migrate to *some* other.H > OS as well as to other hardware, and if they choose HP-UX they have to moveF > to a big-endian architecture as well (with little guarantee that theL > promised and then significantly-delayed importation of *some* useful Tru64+ > features into HP-UX will actually occur).  > A > So little wonder that they're looking at other Unixes - perhaps I > little-endian ones, and preferably from a vendor whom they believe theyt cany > trust.    L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1208&e=8&u=/nf/20040305/tc_ nf/23304&sid=95573658_    & Samsung, IBM Forge 65-nm Chip Alliance? Fri Mar 5, 4:00 PM ET  Add Technology - NewsFactor to My Yahoo!e    Jay Wrolstad, www.newsfactor.com  L IBM (NYSE: IBM - news) and electronics giant Samsung Electronics are hookingJ up to design chips based on the cutting-edge 65-nanometer (nm) technology.B This alliance extends an existing partnership among IBM, Chartered) Semiconductor Manufacturing and Infineon.o  J Joint development of the new technology will take place primarily at IBM'sL 300-nm fabrication facility in East Fishkill, N.Y., which began operation inI July. Each company eventually will use the resulting new processes in itsi own manufacturing facilities.      Thinking GloballyIB "This represents a significant addition to our partnerships in theK global-technology platform, designed to develop high-performance technologyeA on the 65- and 45-nm chip size," IBM spokesperson Rick Bause told  NewsFactor.   E The companies will benefit by being able to get their next-generationnJ products to market faster, he added. For Samsung, that could mean anythingH from HDTV sets to cell phones, as well as devices not yet on the drawing board.  H A separate agreement with IBM gives Samsung license rights to 90-nm CMOSI logic technology. The South Korean firm has plans to introduce this logicnF technology in its highly integrated system-on-chip product line, which5 includes televisions, DVD players and mobile devices.>     IBM Fab Will Get Busy>L Initially, the four companies will focus on the 65-nm chip process, and theyG eventually will extend that focus to include 45-nm process development.u  J Friday's announcement follows a recent decision by Sony (NYSE: SNE - news)J to invest some US$325 million in IBM to create broadband-type "cell" chipsK for the Japanese company, based on the 65-nm process at the 300-mm fab. The F new chips are targeted for next-generation gaming devices, among other multimedia-intensive products.  J IBM also has a pact with AMD (NYSE: AMD - news) to jointly develop 65- andK 45-nm chip technologies on 300-mm wafers. The evolution from 130- and 90-nm @ chip technology to a 65-nm process is a significant step in chipJ development, involving an ultra-fine lithography technique that is not yet in production.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Mar 2004 10:28:27 -0800 ' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson)o? Subject: Re: The Inquirer:   HP re-thinking its IA-64 strategy?o< Message-ID: <734da31c.0403071028.d0aa712@posting.google.com>  [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<404A3036.93D2C721@istop.com>...d > L > Tru64 was considered to be technogically superior. The fact that HP had toN > promise porting of many Tru64 features such as the file systems and clusting+ > to the inferior HP-UX is a telling point.d  4 HP-UX had a much larger market share. Easy decision.  ) > VMS was also technologically supperior.   4 It still is (and will continue to be) in some areas.  8 > And remember that Linux and Windows also ran on Alpha.  L Windows never really took off on Alpha, though Linux on Alpha was promising.  N > HOWEVER, if HP were to adopt Alpha, it could transform itself into a leadingM > enterprise vendor with technologically suprior products of Digital combinedr4 > with HP's marketing, mind share and customer base.  ! You have too much faith in Alpha.a   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 09:55:38 +0100, From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>$ Subject: Re: Two Node Cluster Config: Message-ID: <c2eo22$1t10od$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>  F "Michael Moroney" <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> schreef in bericht" news:c2e23g$23l$1@pcls4.std.com...0 > "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl> writes: >aD > >With network interconnects there's no way to have the quorum disk attachedF > >to both nodes at the same time (unless you're running 11/750's with sharedL > >RA8x or RM80's). There's no way to configure votes that either or the two- > >nodes can fail and keep the other running.V > J > Ever hear of fibrechannel drives?  How about shared SCSI busses?  QuorumI > disks work just fine on either.  It is certainly true that quorum disksn6 > simply don't make sense unless it's on a shared bus. >rJ Without knowing the original poster's setup a network interconnect clusterL was used with VAX systems in mind. There's no support for FC nor shared SCSI for that platform.   ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 15:54:22 +0000 (UTC)7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)a$ Subject: Re: Two Node Cluster Config( Message-ID: <c2fgje$9dn$1@pcls4.std.com>  . "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl> writes:  G >"Michael Moroney" <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> schreef in berichts# >news:c2e23g$23l$1@pcls4.std.com...s >>K >> Ever hear of fibrechannel drives?  How about shared SCSI busses?  Quorum J >> disks work just fine on either.  It is certainly true that quorum disks7 >> simply don't make sense unless it's on a shared bus.S >>K >Without knowing the original poster's setup a network interconnect clustergM >was used with VAX systems in mind. There's no support for FC nor shared SCSI  >for that platform.   F Yes, for VAX shared SCSI and fibrechannel are not supported.  Only VAX9 option that make sense for a quorum disk are DSSI and CI.  -- r -Mikef   ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 14:50:25 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)D Subject: very new TCPIP patches (ECO 4 for TCPIP 5.3, VAX and ALPHA)$ Message-ID: <c2fcrh$nmr$2@online.de>  A About a month ago, ECO 3 showed up, date 3-FEB.  There were some hH problems with it, at least on ALPHA.  It was put on hold on 11-FEB.  As I of yesterday, there is ECO-4, which presumably is ECO-3 plus the fix for tD the above-mentioned problems (mainly manifested in an ACCVIO during H startup), dated 11-FEB.  Presumably, these have been in internal and/or 4 field test for about a month, so I guess they're OK.  F Still, before installing them it would be nice to know whether anyone H else has installed them successfully and whether there are any problems 	 apparent.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 11:19:33 -05007 From: "Hein van den Heuvel" <hein_news@eps.zko.dec.com>o1 Subject: Re: [OT] I won 2 million euros. So what?d* Message-ID: <4049fa18@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  K If you respond they'll try to engage you in a drawn out conversation hopingpJ to get you to fork over some 'credibility' money (they need proof that you> are worthy receiver :-), or bank account details or some such.0 Just Google for "Lottery Winners International". One amongst hundreds of hits: E http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/stories/2003/12/01/editorial2.htmlc   Hein.E  / "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> wrote in messageD, news:4049e18b$0$284$636a15ce@news.free.fr... > Just got this today.
 > First time.- > Course it is wrong.- > Where is the problem?a >o6 > > REF NUMBER: 014/060/532 BATCH NUMBER: 762901-PCD03 > >n > > Sir/Madam, > > E > > We are pleased to inform you of the result of the Lottery WinnerstI > > International programs held on the 5th of February, 2004. Your e-mailo address,K > >  attached to ticket number 27522465896-6453 with serial number 3772-554> drewD > > lucky numbers 7-14-18-23-31-45 which consequently won in the 2nd	 category,sJ > > you have therefore been approved for a lump sum pay out of EU2,000,000 EUROS + > > (TWO MILLION EUROS). CONGRATULATIONS!!!o   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 15:39:52 GMTi# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> < Subject: Re: [OT] We've always know that Solaris is junk....K Message-ID: <chm2c.111451$ah.71747@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   K "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in messager0 news:4049517A.3D1FF5FD@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net... > John Smith wrote:d
 > > [snip]" > > ...now Standard & Poors agrees > B > Well, I've only taken Solaris Admin. classes. To me, however, as1 > commercial UN*X goes, Solaris is pretty fair...e >r > ...it's just not VMS.s  I actually I meant to say "Sun" rather than "Solaris", but my fingers typedb ahead of my brain that moment.  L I too have used Solaris a fair bit and it isn't horrible, but it sure wasn'tG all that reliable - brokerage environment, virtually unlimited money torJ throw at problems, and still it would die during the middle of the tradingL day. It usually wasn't the app that killed things although the app did causeD some problems - about 50% Solaris, 20% application, and 30% hardware	 failures.t  I Customer was wedded to the app and the app wasn't available on VMS - thateH silly Sybase non-availability on VMS thing. That was about $5 million inK business Sun got as the initial order courtesy of Sybase's position on VMS.>I Further Sun purchases to the tune of about $2 million followed within thesI first year. This customer had zero previous Sun investment and would haveI5 gone to VMS had the application been available there.e   SSDD   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.133 ************************