1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 08 Mar 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 135       Contents:P Re: 2-node LAVC cluster with quorum disk - network disappears - which node CLUEXC Re: alpha defined: virtualcnt,titleid,keyid,helplineid,pasteboardid  Re: Anyone need a MicroVax 2000  Re: Anyone need a MicroVax 2000  Re: Charon Vax VUPs  Re: Charon Vax VUPs  Re: Charon Vax VUPs  Re: Charon Vax VUPs  Re: Charon Vax VUPs  Re: Charon Vax VUPs ' Re: Check out these new VT flat panels! ' Re: Check out these new VT flat panels! $ DCL Tip: getting NBS time (sortable)( Re: DCL Tip: getting NBS time (sortable)& Re: Digital Personal workstation 600au& Re: Digital Personal workstation 600au& Re: Digital Personal workstation 600au& Re: Digital Personal workstation 600au& Re: Digital Personal workstation 600au& Re: Digital Personal workstation 600au  Re: dismounting a spooled device  Re: GTECH, Lotteries and OpenVMS  RE: GTECH, Lotteries and OpenVMS# He's Got the Whole World on His VAX ' Re: He's Got the Whole World on His VAX > How much of this is attributable to DEC licenses to Microsoft? Re: Intel releases 64bit Xeon  Re: Interface question.  Re: Interface question. " Re: IPC$ and Advanced Server, ???? Re: Is DISK a new command? Re: Is DISK a new command? Re: Is DISK a new command?: Re: It is almost certain now, INTEL will have 64bit x86 !!: Re: It is almost certain now, INTEL will have 64bit x86 !!: Re: It is almost certain now, INTEL will have 64bit x86 !! Non-blocking connect# Re: Not meaning to feed Andrew..... # RE: Not meaning to feed Andrew..... # Re: Not meaning to feed Andrew..... # RE: Not meaning to feed Andrew..... . Odd change to DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXTG Re: OpenVMS virus proof while other disks get zapped by latest viruses! G Re: OpenVMS virus proof while other disks get zapped by latest viruses! G Re: OpenVMS virus proof while other disks get zapped by latest viruses! G Re: OpenVMS virus proof while other disks get zapped by latest viruses! G Re: OpenVMS virus proof while other disks get zapped by latest viruses! D Re: Professional Agitator - Harrison, Andrew. Confimed on sun.com!!!D Re: Professional Agitator - Harrison, Andrew. Confimed on sun.com!!!D Re: Professional Agitator - Harrison, Andrew. Confimed on sun.com!!!D Re: Professional Agitator - Harrison, Andrew. Confimed on sun.com!!!# Q on diff /mat=1/igno=(head:2,form) " SAMBA & Advanced Server - coexist?& Re: SAMBA & Advanced Server - coexist?+ Strange Device name...Anybody have ideas??? / Re: Strange Device name...Anybody have ideas??? / Re: Strange Device name...Anybody have ideas??? / Re: Strange Device name...Anybody have ideas??? / Re: Strange Device name...Anybody have ideas??? " Sun coughs eating its own dog food Re: Sun On The Run?  Re: Sun On The Run?  Re: Sun On The Run?  Re: Sun On The Run?  Re: Sun On The Run?  Re: Sun On The Run?  Re: Sun On The Run? 6 Re: The Inquirer:   HP re-thinking its IA-64 strategy?6 Re: The Inquirer:   HP re-thinking its IA-64 strategy?6 Re: The Inquirer:   HP re-thinking its IA-64 strategy?6 Re: The Inquirer:   HP re-thinking its IA-64 strategy?G Re: Two problems: qui$ external and procedure division using (external) G Re: Two problems: qui$ external and procedure division using (external) - Urgent: 5000 Euro Reward (0.9327238639953833) 2 Re: Why does smtp mail between local systems fail? Wierd 7.3-2 upgrade error  Re: Wierd 7.3-2 upgrade error  Re: Wierd 7.3-2 upgrade error  Re: Wierd 7.3-2 upgrade error  Re: Zip/update Issue Re: Zip/update Issue3 Re: [OT] We've always know that Solaris is junk.... 3 Re: [OT] We've always know that Solaris is junk.... 3 Re: [OT] We've always know that Solaris is junk.... 3 Re: [OT] We've always know that Solaris is junk....   [OT]: Does Charon do DECwindows?$ Re: [OT]: Does Charon do DECwindows? Re: [TCPIP V5.4] More rants   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 18:10:41 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>Y Subject: Re: 2-node LAVC cluster with quorum disk - network disappears - which node CLUEX 8 Message-ID: <7sdp40lrpugvqtul1f6gvacekll4j7u50m@4ax.com>  K On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 18:31:57 +0000, John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk>  wrote:   > . >CLUEXIT, thread voluntarily exiting Usenet...  5 Does this mean that you exit with, or without a clue?    ;-)    --- jls 0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.6 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2004 07:39:00 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) L Subject: Re: alpha defined: virtualcnt,titleid,keyid,helplineid,pasteboardid3 Message-ID: <tDeRJ8gTPjM3@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <cs6h40hle7ra7k594cg7unusph2cbhf3ma@4ax.com>, tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com writes:  > F > Please excuse this old cobol programmer with his C related question:+ > In the midst of a vax to alpha migration.  > 6 > Where would I best find EXTERN and GLOBAL variables?7 > Not vax/alpha/dec/system variables, but user defined?  >   E    It's not clear what you are asking.  Is your COBOL program looking D    for these variables to be defined in C functions?  In any case in@    C any file level variable (not inside a function) that is notH    declared static is a global variable.  One file can reference another4    file's global variables by declaring them extern.  @ > Examples: virtualcnt, titleid, keyid, helplineid, pasteboardid  E    Looks like someone's varaibles possibly realted to the use of SMG$     routines.  F > Also, (cobol question) linkage section allowed an extern variable in' > Vax, now it does not compile in Alpha  > L    Don't know COBOL enough to be sure, but C on VAX had extensions allowing K    control over how global variables were handled.  Perhaps COBOL did, too.    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2004 07:50:02 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ( Subject: Re: Anyone need a MicroVax 20003 Message-ID: <Bm$Hc9v9Hv3F@eisner.encompasserve.org>   k In article <ctdi40p0en1evsqinufmqd85rvkbip7ukj@4ax.com>, Randy Park <rjpark@mindspring.nospaam.com> writes: G > I'm cleaning out the office and I no longer need my MicroVax 2000.  I N > know it's old.  I basically used it for testing installs and other stuff.  IH > used it both as a satellite node in a cluster and booting from its ownB > disk.  It has VMS 5.2 loaded on an RD53 (~72MB).  It also has an > expansion box on the bottom. > G > I'm currently in Seattle, Washington but will be driving to San Diego  > in early May.  > F > Anyone interested?  I would rather not toss in in the garbage can ifO > someone can use it.  I doubt that it's worth the trouble to list it on E-Bay.   A    Any idea what it would cost to ship to the east coast?  I know ?    someone who might pay shipping if the cost can be contained.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 07:59:42 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> ( Subject: Re: Anyone need a MicroVax 2000' Message-ID: <404C8A5E.3090701@MMaz.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:  l >In article <ctdi40p0en1evsqinufmqd85rvkbip7ukj@4ax.com>, Randy Park <rjpark@mindspring.nospaam.com> writes: >    > G >>I'm cleaning out the office and I no longer need my MicroVax 2000.  I N >>know it's old.  I basically used it for testing installs and other stuff.  IH >>used it both as a satellite node in a cluster and booting from its ownB >>disk.  It has VMS 5.2 loaded on an RD53 (~72MB).  It also has an >>expansion box on the bottom. >>G >>I'm currently in Seattle, Washington but will be driving to San Diego  >>in early May.  >>F >>Anyone interested?  I would rather not toss in in the garbage can ifO >>someone can use it.  I doubt that it's worth the trouble to list it on E-Bay.  >>     >> > B >   Any idea what it would cost to ship to the east coast?  I know@ >   someone who might pay shipping if the cost can be contained. >  >  >    > I You know the basic dimensions and can estimate the weight, go to UPS.com  F and you can use their rate calculator, but my guess-timate is that it 4 would be in the $20-$30 range for ground shipment...   Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 10:15:39 +0000 E From: Tim ffrench-Lynch <tim-DOT-ffrench-HYPHEN-lynch@baesystems.com>  Subject: Re: Charon Vax VUPs. Message-ID: <404C47CB.25CC8E42@baesystems.com>   Nigel Barker wrote: + > Why not run Charon-VAX on the fast Alpha?    I'd forgotten that Charon-VAX can run on Alpha. That would be useful to me as I tend to use all spare processor time on the cluster, if I had Charon-VAX on an Alpha, I'd be able to get spare native D Alpha processing cycles rather than simulated VAX processing cycles.   I use one Alpha and 12 MicroVax, the MicroVAx are used for ADA development but usually idle along at only 3-5% processor usage. I run software at priority zero on all the systems, writing large files B to the Alpha disks which rattle a lot but can just about keep up.    Tim    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 10:20:33 +0000 E From: Tim ffrench-Lynch <tim-DOT-ffrench-HYPHEN-lynch@baesystems.com>  Subject: Re: Charon Vax VUPs. Message-ID: <404C48F1.662CC433@baesystems.com>   "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:G > My system, old by todays PC standards, is an AMD Dual Processor 2600+ B > Tyan MB based system which is running at about 53 VUP's.  My MRPH > regenerations dropped from over three hours (on a 4100) to 36 minutes, > does that help?    Yes thanks, it suggests that a dual AMD 4000+ (or more likely Operon with different naming system) would provide 82VUPS which I figure is about as slow as it's going to more starting to push forA CHARON-VAX, it would allow 2 MicroVAX to be replaced with one PC.    Tim    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 08:22:59 GMT 7 From: "Arie de Groot" <arie@emulatorsinternational.com>  Subject: Re: Charon Vax VUPs2 Message-ID: <D3W2c.5871$ks5.26457@typhoon.bart.nl>  H We keep a running list of performance measurements on our website. It is0 open for anyone that wants to add his/hers data.  K Go to www.emulatorsinternational.com/en/index.htm and click the performance K button on the CHARON-VAX page.You will fnd the performance tools there too.    Rgrds,  
 Arie de Groot  Emulators International   J "Tim ffrench-Lynch" <tim-DOT-ffrench-HYPHEN-lynch@baesystems.com> wrote in0 message news:40489868.52476461@baesystems.com...@ > Realistically how fast is Charon-VAX running on a high end PC? > K > We have a Vax/Alpha VMS cluster here used for software development (stuck G on VAX) with heavy processing tasks (both VAX and Alpha) running in the 5 background. We pay support on a per-machine basis and K > I guess things might be getting near to the point at which replacing fast J MicroVAXs with half the number of PCs running Charon-VAX might be possible as a cost saving measure.  > C > Then I might be able to get a fast Alpha added to the cluster :-)  >  > Tim    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 12:35:47 +0000 * From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> Subject: Re: Charon Vax VUPs' Message-ID: <c2hpc4$ng8$1@lore.csc.com>    Tim ffrench-Lynch wrote: >    Tim,  B Some of your colleagues have been looking at this generally, using6 standard environment tools, assessing feasibility etc.   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2004 07:32:51 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Charon Vax VUPs3 Message-ID: <cqOkXvKNSdn7@eisner.encompasserve.org>   v In article <40489868.52476461@baesystems.com>, Tim ffrench-Lynch <tim-DOT-ffrench-HYPHEN-lynch@baesystems.com> writes:@ > Realistically how fast is Charon-VAX running on a high end PC? >   E    Faster than the Vaxen it can emulate, and most of the VAXen it can     replace.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 08:05:52 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>  Subject: Re: Charon Vax VUPs' Message-ID: <404C8BD0.5080406@MMaz.com>    Tim ffrench-Lynch wrote:   >"Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:  >    > G >>My system, old by todays PC standards, is an AMD Dual Processor 2600+ B >>Tyan MB based system which is running at about 53 VUP's.  My MRPH >>regenerations dropped from over three hours (on a 4100) to 36 minutes, >>does that help?  >>     >> >  >Yes thanks, it suggests that a dual AMD 4000+ (or more likely Operon with different naming system) would provide 82VUPS which I figure is about as slow as it's going to more starting to push for B >CHARON-VAX, it would allow 2 MicroVAX to be replaced with one PC. >  >    > 0 Tyan Thunder K7X Pro-SCSI (S2469UNG) motherboard Two AMD MP2600+ Processors$ Adaptec 2200S Dual Channel U320 RAID 2 GB of 266 ECC/Reg DIMM's' 4 Seegate Cheetah 15K 36 GB U320 Drives  460 Watt 12V P/S 52X CD Teac Floppy     I and with price drops, this system which is roughly a year old, you could  E probably be acquired for a grand less than I paid for it, so I would  G suspect you could easily be in the $3500 to $4000 range based on these  I specs, but with newer, faster Opterons, you could still build an awesome  $ system and probably stay around $5k.     Barry    >Tim >  >  >    >    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 13:33:05 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 0 Subject: Re: Check out these new VT flat panels!H Message-ID: <lC_2c.143130$sl.19953@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 7 news:d7791aa1.0403070826.6ee24038@posting.google.com... 7 > Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in message , news:<404B11E6.328933EF@sture.homeip.net>... > > Bob Ceculski wrote:  > > > 7 > > > I have one on order to test ... they are awesome!  > > > 3 > > > http://www.midcomdata.com/terminal/planar.htm  > > I > > Pardon me Bob, but how do you know they are awesome _before_ you have  > > tested one?  > >  > > :-)  > 6 > because I talked to our sales rep who referred me to5 > someone who uses them now and he said they are, and # > from what I heard, I agree ... :)   H I hear the swampland in Florida is just great, and I can get you a great deal on some. Interested?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 10:07:36 -0500* From: "rob kas" <rob@paychoice.com.noSPAM>0 Subject: Re: Check out these new VT flat panels!0 Message-ID: <104p31jelom2454@corp.supernews.com>   ">> > > 8 >> > > I have one on order to test ... they are awesome! >> > >4 >> > > http://www.midcomdata.com/terminal/planar.htm >> >J >> > Pardon me Bob, but how do you know they are awesome _before_ you have >> > tested one? >> > >> > :-) >>7 >> because I talked to our sales rep who referred me to 6 >> someone who uses them now and he said they are, and$ >> from what I heard, I agree ... :) > J > I hear the swampland in Florida is just great, and I can get you a great > deal on some. Interested?  >  >   #                             mmmmmmm D                            Solaris Sucks............................                             Why L                            Becuase I heard from my 3'rd cousins, girlfriend A best friend,who heard someone who said they read about it maybe.     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 03:24:52 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>- Subject: DCL Tip: getting NBS time (sortable) ) Message-ID: <404C2DB7.D6153349@istop.com>   M Found this in some of the ALL-IN-1 janitorial command procedures. It not only D shows how to get a numeric only time (yyyymmddhhmmssmm) but also the' subtraction operator for strings in DCL   O $! Get current system time and convert to NBS format (and no, f$CVTIME does not  $! do this.  $! $   systime = f$time() $   systime = f$cvtime(systime) 9 $   systime = systime - "-" - "-" - "-" - ":" - ":" - "." : $   systime = "''f$edit(systime, "TRIM,UPCASE,COLLAPSE")'" $!    , prio to the string manipulation, systime is:#  SYSTIME = "2004-03-08 03:19:58.78"     after the last two lines, it is: 2004030803195878  N This string can be used to create temporary files, or to store the string in a file/record etc.  L (and on An allmighty Microvax II, it also garantees a unique file name sinceN it takes more than a millisecond to execute, so the next time around, the time  is garanteed to be different :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 10:23:55 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 1 Subject: Re: DCL Tip: getting NBS time (sortable) ' Message-ID: <404C3BAB.799FD579@aaa.com>    JF Mezei wrote:    > $   systime = f$time()! > $   systime = f$cvtime(systime) ; > $   systime = systime - "-" - "-" - "-" - ":" - ":" - "." < > $   systime = "''f$edit(systime, "TRIM,UPCASE,COLLAPSE")'" > $!   Or a little shorter :    $   systime = f$cvtime()9 $   systime = systime - "-" - "-" - "-" - ":" - ":" - "." : $   systime = "''f$edit(systime, "TRIM,UPCASE,COLLAPSE")'"  N > (and on An allmighty Microvax II, it also garantees a unique file name sinceP > it takes more than a millisecond to execute, so the next time around, the time" > is garanteed to be different :-)  3 Have to be "more then 10 ms", to be unique, right ?   	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 18:53:16 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)/ Subject: Re: Digital Personal workstation 600au 1 Message-ID: <newscache$3yy7uh$nn61$1@news.sil.at>   a In article <k1lm40tviti2hu21qhmpqqmpqecgeenfjr@4ax.com>, G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com> writes: J >On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 06:37:53 GMT, G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com> wrote: > # >I just found the fllowing Technote  > = >http://ftp.support.compaq.com.au/pub/ecoinfo/ecoinfo/683.htm  > K >that says that as of VMS 7.1 the Toshiba XM-6202B 32x CD-ROM is supported     Supported for what ? Operation or Boot ?  I doubt that boot is supported.    >ANYONE have any other ideas???   . Yes, install VMS via a (borrowed) SCSI CD-ROM.   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 18:59:56 +0000 (UTC)% From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> / Subject: Re: Digital Personal workstation 600au 6 Message-ID: <slrnc4ms94.rab.usenet@gaia.roc2.gblx.net>  ` In article <k1lm40tviti2hu21qhmpqqmpqecgeenfjr@4ax.com>, G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com> wrote:D > On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 06:37:53 GMT, G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com> > wrote: > $ > I just found the fllowing Technote > > > http://ftp.support.compaq.com.au/pub/ecoinfo/ecoinfo/683.htm > > > that says that as of VMS 7.1 the Toshiba XM-6202B 32x CD-ROM > is supported    J You could also consider the 32x Toshiba XM-6201B CDROM drive. The 6202B is( the IDE version of the exact same drive.  B Island Computers sells a 6201B for $109 and is known as the RRD47:  # http://www.islandco.com/disks2.html   7 (The RRD48 is 40x and is an extra $10, as a side note.)   J The only difference between the -AA, -AB, and -AC models is the color. OneH is frost-white (the -AB), one is beige (-AA??), and one is blue (-AC??).  I You also need a 50pin narrow SCSI ribbon cable to plug in the SCSI drive;  Island sells one for $15.   K I can vouch for the Island folks, having recently bought the RRD47, myself, J to replace a busted RRD45 drive which broke when its optics got misalignedG due to an accidental hard bounce. The RRD47 is a joy, as are the Island  folks.   -Dan   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 00:09:39 GMT 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>/ Subject: Re: Digital Personal workstation 600au @ Message-ID: <066c015fa16287767fd473361586372d@news.teranews.com>  8 In article <epvm40trllkb9pakaid2ptcuj2s545kaqt@4ax.com>,(  G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com> wrote:  D > On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 06:37:53 GMT, G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com> > wrote: > E > Thanks I guess it is unamimous that I cannot boot from the IDE CD..   G You really need to read the FAQ.  Since your question concerns booting  B a personal workstation series system from an IDE CD-ROM drive, it ? shouldn't surprise you to learn that the FAQ section entitled,  F "14.4.4.2 OpenVMS and Personal Workstation ATA (IDE) bootstrap" has a F direct bearing on your question.  Since you don't seem to be aware of B the FAQ, I offer a direct pointer to the current location of that  section for your convenience:   < http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/faq/vmsfaq_018.html#alpha23  H Most of what you've been told in this thread is incorrect to one degree E or another.  You can boot from an IDE CD-ROM if you have the Cypress  H chipset, but not if you have the Intel SIO chipset.  The 512-byte block G transfer capability is only relevant to SCSI drives, not IDE.  OpenVMS  B has always been explicitly supported on the 600au, though if your G particular machine originally shipped with Tru64 or NT, you may or may  G not have devices (such as a graphics controller) that are supported by   OpenVMS.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 00:50:55 GMT & From: G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com>/ Subject: Re: Digital Personal workstation 600au 8 Message-ID: <hrgn40thrgfbe73d46vcls82sp1pc3nro8@4ax.com>  ? Thanks I guess :-( and you were right I had not see this FAQ...   ' WHen I do a sho conf I do indeed see at ! bus 00 slot 7 an intel SIO 82378    D I guess I am off to find a SCSI CD drive if I want to install VMS in	 this guy!    Gary    2 On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 00:09:39 GMT, "Craig A. Berry"& <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler> wrote:  9 >In article <epvm40trllkb9pakaid2ptcuj2s545kaqt@4ax.com>, ) > G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com> wrote:  > E >> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 06:37:53 GMT, G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com> 	 >> wrote:  >>  F >> Thanks I guess it is unamimous that I cannot boot from the IDE CD.. > H >You really need to read the FAQ.  Since your question concerns booting C >a personal workstation series system from an IDE CD-ROM drive, it  @ >shouldn't surprise you to learn that the FAQ section entitled, G >"14.4.4.2 OpenVMS and Personal Workstation ATA (IDE) bootstrap" has a  G >direct bearing on your question.  Since you don't seem to be aware of  C >the FAQ, I offer a direct pointer to the current location of that   >section for your convenience: > = >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/faq/vmsfaq_018.html#alpha23  > I >Most of what you've been told in this thread is incorrect to one degree  F >or another.  You can boot from an IDE CD-ROM if you have the Cypress I >chipset, but not if you have the Intel SIO chipset.  The 512-byte block  H >transfer capability is only relevant to SCSI drives, not IDE.  OpenVMS C >has always been explicitly supported on the 600au, though if your  H >particular machine originally shipped with Tru64 or NT, you may or may H >not have devices (such as a graphics controller) that are supported by 	 >OpenVMS.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 20:01:55 GMT & From: G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com>/ Subject: Re: Digital Personal workstation 600au 8 Message-ID: <epvm40trllkb9pakaid2ptcuj2s545kaqt@4ax.com>  B On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 06:37:53 GMT, G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com> wrote:  C Thanks I guess it is unamimous that I cannot boot from the IDE CD.. A If I put the CD in my DS10 is there a way to boot off of that CD? 0 This will just save me time?  while I order one.  > If this is possible can someone give me a hint how to do that?   Thanks     Gary     >I hope someone can help me....  >  >I have two questions....  > G >I  have a Digital Personal Workstation 600au that I would like to like D >to put VMS on.  I had NT on it and I changed it over to SRM and set >the following Parameters  >  >boot_osflags "" >auto_action halt  >OS_type OpenVMS >Bootdef_dev dka0  > @ >I have the following devices on the machine after a show device >  >DKA0		RZ1CB-BS			0818 >DKA300	COMPAQ BD018635C4		B017 # >DQA0		TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-6202B	1110  >DVA0  >EWA0  >PKA0		mac address >PQA0		SCSI Bus IS 7 >PQA0		PCI EIDE  >PQB0		PCI EIDE  >  > C >WHen put the 7.3.-2 CD into the machine and boot with the command   >  >boot -flags 0,0 dka0  > # >I get the following on the screen:  >  >     boot dqa0.0.0.4.0 2 >     block 0 of dqa0.0.04.0 is a valid boot block* >     reading 1134 blocks from dqa0.0.04.0 >     bootstrap code read in  1 >     base=1d800 image_start=-, Image_bytes=8dc00  >     Initializing HWRPBat 2000 ' >     Initializing page table at 1CA000   >     Initializing machine state% >     Setting affinity to primary CPU  >     Jumping to bootstrap code  > 4 >     OpenVMS Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3-2D >     c Copywrite 1976-2003 Hewlett-Packard Development Company L.P. > F >     INIT_IO_DB-F-CFG_DEV_NOT_FOUND, a device onthe boot line, or in 3 >     Boot_Dev cannot be found in the config tables  > > >    -console pathname IDE 0 4 0 0 0 0 0, ID=00000000.06461095 > 9 >    Ignoring the device, and not loading the boot driver  > > >    OpenVMS Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3-2 - BUGCHECK > F >and thent he system trys to write a Dump to the disk and of course itD >cannot.  It looks like it is in an infinet loop since it just keeps! >tring to boot until I power down  > F >Is my problem, that 7.3-1 does not support this machine??????  If not >what am I doing wrong?? >  > E >THe version of VMS that I really want on this machine is 7.2-1 since C >our 3 alphas are running 7.2.-1 but we cannot find the CD's in the D >office.  Does anyone have an ISO image they can send me or point me >to? >  >Thanks in advance >  >Gary Henry    ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 17:09:12 +0000 (UTC)- From: lewis@spyder.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) / Subject: Re: Digital Personal workstation 600au . Message-ID: <c2i9bo$l2v$3@newslocal.mitre.org>   G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com> writes in article <r6dm409rmgv72smid13m1i5pgkhjof5g8l@4ax.com> dated Sun, 07 Mar 2004 14:42:54 GMT:G >I do not have a SCSI CDROM to plug in to this unit.  DOes any one have  >any suggestions?????   H If I understand the problem correctly, the CD's in these grey-market PWS5 boxes work but they won't boot a VMS installation CD.   . My idea, which does not involve a SCSI CD-ROM:  K If you can get temporary access to another OpenVMS/AXP system, you can make I a temporary cluster.  Boot the 600au from ethernet using MOP, then log in L and do an image backup from the CD to one of the hard drives.  Then shutdown> the system, exiting the cluster, and boot from the hard drive.  J For future upgrades you can boot your regular system disk and do the imageI backup without being part of the cluster.  But you still need 1 free hard  drive.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 04 07:23:14 PST  From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com ) Subject: Re: dismounting a spooled device ( Message-ID: <j3zsP7CL35ps@cpva.saic.com>  : In article <c2enpt$1t5ljr$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>,/  "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl> writes:  > N > "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>3 > schreef in bericht news:c2egr5$pk6$1@online.de... F >> I want to dismount a disk, but the system complains that there is a >> device spooled to it. >>) >> How do I find out what this device is?  >>J >> I'm pretty sure that I don't need the spooled device; it's probably theJ >> result of some obsolete queue.  Is there a way I can unspool the deviceK >> without knowing the details (necessary only if I can't find out what the  >> device is). >> > Wouldn't this help:  >  > $ show dev dja0:/files >  >   > $ pipe show device/full | sear sys$pipe intermediate,associate   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2004 07:24:47 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ) Subject: Re: GTECH, Lotteries and OpenVMS 3 Message-ID: <zY$y$zaOXgfs@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <c2ad4r$bhj$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > Bob Koehler wrote: >>  I >>    And sometimes that growth has to be huge.  SAP dropped VMS when its I >>    VMS based was growing 40% annually, something most businesses would G >>    love to have.  The systems they kept supporting were growing over   >>    100% annually at the time. >>   > C > SAP dropped VMS when they went from R2 to R3 which was a complete  > re-write.  >   G    That may be the timing, but the 40% growth was what SAP told digital     as the reason.    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2004 09:39:53 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ) Subject: RE: GTECH, Lotteries and OpenVMS 3 Message-ID: <Bd06liFiIXMr@eisner.encompasserve.org>   | In article <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB27961C@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> writes:  I > Do you know if they ever supported clustering on any platform in Sybase  > 10/11? > > > What about Sybase 12 - what kind of clustering do they have?  < My Sybase SQL Server internals experience is limited to VMS.  : I have no experience with external aspect of the software.   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:08:28 +0000 (UTC)0 From: John Robin Devany <firstname@lastname.com>, Subject: He's Got the Whole World on His VAX0 Message-ID: <c2hnns$r98$1@sparta.btinternet.com>   Hello comp.os.vms world.  E I've been out of VMS for some years, but I recall a song about VAXen  A sung to the same tune as "He's Got the Whole World in His Hands".   H I'm trying to get hold of a complete copy of the words. I found some at:  + http://www.poppyfields.net/filks/00199.html   C But I remember a version that had more lines in it. Something like:   ) He's got hurkle and adventure on his vax, + a couple of lines I can't remember, then... ( He's got performance problems on his vax  1 Could any kind soul out there point me at a copy.    Thanks & regards   --       John Robin Devany    http://www.devany.com    ------------------------------   Date: 08 Mar 2004 14:27:32 GMT& From: jealousxmp@aol.com (jealous xmp)0 Subject: Re: He's Got the Whole World on His VAX: Message-ID: <20040308092732.26340.00001024@mb-m20.aol.com>  F >I've been out of VMS for some years, but I recall a song about VAXen B >sung to the same tune as "He's Got the Whole World in His Hands".  * >He's got hurkle and adventure on his vax,, >a couple of lines I can't remember, then...) >He's got performance problems on his vax   J Totally off topic, but it would be cool to do trance/techno remixes of allL these old songs.  There was one guy doing electronica that included snippetsJ from an RMS speech (for unix haters, that's Richard M. Stallman).  He alsoO sampled keystrokes while he was programming.  It was featured on mp3.com before 
 their demise.    Michael    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 14:25:45 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> G Subject: How much of this is attributable to DEC licenses to Microsoft? I Message-ID: <Jn%2c.143450$sl.139689@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   L http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB107869473053748560,00.html?mod=technology %5Ffeatured%5Fstories%5Fhs   (by subsription)  
 March 8, 2004    PORTALS  By LEE GOMES     Do We Get Enough In Innovation for What We Give to Microsoft?   = It's 2004; do you know where your computer dollars are going?   K One can learn a lot about the computer industry by looking at the breakdown G of manufacturing costs in an average desktop PC, as compiled by iSuppli L Corp., a market-research firm. Excluding labor and shipping, and leaving outL the costs of a monitor, keyboard or mouse, the typical desktop PC these days? costs the Dells or the H-Ps of the world roughly $437 in parts.   J The biggest portion of that -- 30%, or $134 -- goes to Intel for a PentiumK processor. The disk drives, including whatever CD or DVD is installed, costeG around $104; the RAM memory is $54; and the remaining hardware items --n1 power supply, case, circuit boards -- total $100.V  J The final 10%, or $45, goes to Microsoft for the Windows operating system.  I Because these prices are never disclosed, the figures here represent best J guesses. But you can start to see the contours of the computer industry inL that bill of fare. Specifically, you begin to understand how Microsoft couldJ amass its $61 billion in cash and other assets. It's easy when you collectB nearly 10% of the cost of every PC that's shipped, while having no  manufacturing costs of your own.   <snip>  J Intel is no stranger to big profits. Analysts estimate the Intel CPU costsL more than a comparable product from rival Advanced Micro Devices. What about9 the added charge? Think of it as an Intel tax on each PC.d  B Even if you're not an Intel shareholder there's arguably a benefitL associated with that tax. Intel is like a research-and-development operationJ for the entire semiconductor industry. The manufacturing processes it usesI for its latest-generation Pentiums are the most advanced in the world andcK cost billions of dollars. Eventually, though, these processes become widely I available to everyone in electronics. This is one case where trickle-down  economics seems to work.  L That leaves Microsoft, and the question: What does the world get for the 10% Microsoft tax on every PC?  L No one could ever say Microsoft is sitting idle. That was clear last week atC a Research TechFest the company held at its Redmond, Wash., campus.bJ Microsoft has an advanced research operation that employs about 600 peopleJ all over the world. These are some of the smartest people around, and theyJ don't work on specific Microsoft products, but rather on long-range ideas,% usually matching their own interests.h  H The TechFest was like a science fair. Researchers set up booths, and theG managers of Microsoft's many products milled around, looking for usefulrJ ideas they could deploy in future products. The number of people doing the milling was in the thousands.   L But is the innovation from Microsoft commensurate with the awesome resourcesK it has been given? The average Microsoft customer probably wouldn't say so.dI Indeed, the advances the company lists for its new products all too often E involve fixing shortcomings of earlier products, such as security and.J reliability in the case of its operating systems, and ease of use with its
 Office suite.e  L In fact, you can argue that genuine innovation is the last thing monopolistsK want, since it threatens to upset the very applecart that made them rich ine the first place.  G When asked which research from its labs has made its way into MicrosoftnG products, the list from Microsoft officials doesn't exactly bowl over arG listener: better software-verification techniques, digital media-playern5 technologies, additions to the SQL database language.r  H And while the TechFest was full of bright and earnest people with usefulL ideas, a lot of university computer-science departments, or even open-sourceF software collaborations, could have put on a similar show, though on a smaller scale of course.  L The world expects a lot from great monopolies, and in the past, many of themG delivered. In January, this column wrote about the unsung heroes of the E consumer-electronics world. The list included the likes of lasers andw data-compression software.  L After the piece ran, I got an e-mail from the PR director at Bell Labs, onceE the research arm of onetime-monopoly AT&T, and now part of Lucent. HeeH pointed out that four of the five items on the list had been invented byK Bell Labs scientists. IBM, too, is famous for its research, and it has five," Nobel Prizes to show for its work.  L Of course, Microsoft's research group is still young, and its best years mayG still be ahead. They had better be. PC taxpayers might start rebelling.1   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 14:24:51 +0000dO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>g& Subject: Re: Intel releases 64bit Xeon0 Message-ID: <c2hvnj$p3r$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rick Jones wrote: R > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >  >>Rick Jones wrote:o >>H >>>I've assumed that the IIIi's power draw was higher because it had theI >>>1MB on chip cache. What I'm not so sure of is whether or not the powernE >>>consumption figures for the Cu include the 8MB off-chip cache.  DotB >>>Sun's published power consumption figures for the III Cu (and I; >>>suppose by extension the IV) include the external cache?s >>>h >>A >>It has 1 MB onchip, it also has JBus support onchip as well itss< >>basically the same as the Opteron in terms of the level of# >>integration included on the chip.n >  > H > OK.  How about the question about external cache being included in the4 > power consuption figures on the III Cu and the IV? >  > E >>>>Incedentally the prices for the LV Itanium 2 based rx2600 are nowrD >>>>available. A 2 CPU, 2 GB 2 disk config costs $6410, compare this* >>>>with a faster (int) Sun V20z at $4245. >>>  >>>c< >>>Bully for Sun :)   I guess I'll have to go price a DL145. >>>  >  > @ >>Yuk it should be dirt cheap, Non Hot Plug 7200 RPM ATA drives,/ >>1 PCI slot looks like a cheapy and should be.  >  > B > It would appear that there will be more than just ATA available. > E > http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/proliantdl145/index.htmla >   A Assuming it gets released and of course it will be more expensive ? hence the reason why the HP DL145 is currently cheaper than ther@ equivalent IBM and Sun Opteron box, both the Sun and the IBM use  E > And just how many I/O slots did Sun use on their V20z SPECweb99_SSL / > benchmark?-) Or on SPECint for that matter :)b >   B None but then as you know perfectly well Web serving is not likelyA to be an area where PCI expansion is required though even this ism debatable if you have an HSM.P  F But there are plenty of other areas where this kind of server requiresE PCI cards, the client I am currently working for has ~200 V240's eachaD of which have 2 PCI cards in them and if the customer was to use the1 V20z it would also require these 2 cards as well.s  E > Just so those watching don't get confused, the base price you quote & > looks to be for the 1.8 GHz machine: >   A I don't think anyone is confused, the 1.8 Ghz machine would stilln@ be faster than the rx1600 and about the same speed as the rx2600 hence my providing the price.n  [ > http://store.sun.com/CMTemplate/CEServlet?process=SunStore&cmdViewProduct_CP&catid=111394  > 0 > not the 2.2 GHz machine used in the SSL stuff. >  > * >>>Yep - saw that.  Makes a nice target :) >  > A >>Well you already have a 1.5 Ghz result on the rx2600 but as you B >>know thats also quite a lot slower than the V20z and rather more4 >>expensive at $36K for the config used in the test. >  > $ > Like I said - makes a nice target. >   8 Lets hope the target doesn't move, it was after all only Sun's first v20z benchmark.>   Regards  Andrew Harrisona   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2004 07:55:03 -0600w; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)r  Subject: Re: Interface question.3 Message-ID: <ifrGO4w1IWQC@eisner.encompasserve.org>>  _ In article <b46df3d5.0403061911.5dd251c2@posting.google.com>, schocm01@yahoo.com (Mike) writes:>? > I was wondering if anybody knew of a linux package that wouldaE > communicate with DecmessageQ.  I am trying to build a low cost testtG > environment at work and I need to send messages via the DecmessageQ. wE > I am interfacing with a Vax 4100 running VMS 6.2 with DecmessageQ. a > Thanks for any assistance.  H    Doesn't BEA (owner of the product formerly known as DECmessageQ) have    a Linux version?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 15:36:43 +0000SO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>o  Subject: Re: Interface question.0 Message-ID: <c2i3ub$qik$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:a > In article <b46df3d5.0403061911.5dd251c2@posting.google.com>, schocm01@yahoo.com (Mike) writes:P > ? >>I was wondering if anybody knew of a linux package that would E >>communicate with DecmessageQ.  I am trying to build a low cost test4G >>environment at work and I need to send messages via the DecmessageQ. aE >>I am interfacing with a Vax 4100 running VMS 6.2 with DecmessageQ. C >>Thanks for any assistance. >  > J >    Doesn't BEA (owner of the product formerly known as DECmessageQ) have >    a Linux version?p >   4 BEA has MessageQ formerly DECmessage and yes it runs  on Linux though you need RedHat.       regardso Andrew Harrisone   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 07:56:27 -0500$ From: "PEN" <paul.nuneznosp@mhp.com>+ Subject: Re: IPC$ and Advanced Server, ????r, Message-ID: <c2hqht$mqo$1@hplms2.hpl.hp.com>   Hi John,  5 "John Brandon" <brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote in messages+ news:04030515050535@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com...s [snip] >l1 > The IPC$ goes on for 110 different connections.- >- > The Window client is W/XP. >o >0 > How do I resolve this?  I You'll have to upgrade Advanced Server to v7.3A ECO2.  Windows XP clientsjE are not supported with Advanced Server v7.2a (which is rather long in> tooth).y  J However, that means you need the appropriate license pak - pwlmxxxca07.03.J If you need to purchase new licenses, there is an Upgrade license which is? cheaper than buying new licenses; for license part numbers see:0  1 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/pathworks/licorder.htmlt   HTH,   Paul   ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 23:51:27 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)# Subject: Re: Is DISK a new command?V1 Message-ID: <newscache$0rc8uh$udc1$1@news.sil.at>n  T In article <c2g6hp$2dnr$1@alpha2.radio-msu.net>, "pbc" <pbc@informchaos.com> writes:J >I'm using OVMS 7.3 on my XP1000. After reading Open VMS System ManagementC >Guide I tried to use DISK getting an error no such command exists.e  ! What do you expect "DISK" to do ?e) Diskquota like in "SYSMAN> DISK SHOW *" ?a   -- h Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERt% Network and OpenVMS system specialistc E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 05:30:18 GMT % From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com>H# Subject: Re: Is DISK a new command? 7 Message-ID: <KxT2c.3527$4B1.2494@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>s   Try    MONITOR DISK at the VMS prompt.   K What you are describing is the monitor command that is represented by a barl graph.   Mike  * pbc <pbc@informchaos.com> wrote in message* news:c2gf9f$2heb$1@alpha2.radio-msu.net... > $ DISK > B > I expect to get a graphical display of current disk utilization: >  > Disk >iL >        ------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---------------------------m > RRD43    ALPHA073I >gL |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| >-L |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > |||||||||||||||||||||86% > RZB29    ALPHASYS  > L ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||# > ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||64%a >b0 > something like this. As described on page 315. >n >t >oG > "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> / CA >  : news:newscache$0rc8uh$udc1$1@news.sil.at...-: > > In article <c2g6hp$2dnr$1@alpha2.radio-msu.net>, "pbc" > <pbc@informchaos.com> writes:sC > > >I'm using OVMS 7.3 on my XP1000. After reading Open VMS Systemc
 ManagementG > > >Guide I tried to use DISK getting an error no such command exists.m > >m% > > What do you expect "DISK" to do ?l- > > Diskquota like in "SYSMAN> DISK SHOW *" ?o > >t > > -- > > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER?) > > Network and OpenVMS system specialistl  > > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atJ > > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist >5 >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 20:39:09 +0300! From: "pbc" <pbc@informchaos.com>0# Subject: Re: Is DISK a new command?r/ Message-ID: <c2ibai$8t6$1@alpha2.radio-msu.net>>  0 NO. This is different command that MONITOR DISK.      F "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> /   :1 news:KxT2c.3527$4B1.2494@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...o > Try  >1! > MONITOR DISK at the VMS prompt.p > I > What you are describing is the monitor command that is represented by ae bare > graph. >e > Mike > , > pbc <pbc@informchaos.com> wrote in message, > news:c2gf9f$2heb$1@alpha2.radio-msu.net...
 > > $ DISK > >AD > > I expect to get a graphical display of current disk utilization: > >  > > Disk > >K >PE   -------------------------------------------------------------------0 > -- > > ---------------------------C > > RRD43    ALPHA073  > >a >5L |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > >o > L |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > > |||||||||||||||||||||86% > > RZB29    ALPHASYSc > >  >lL ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||% > > ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||64%l > >a2 > > something like this. As described on page 315. > >  > >T > > I > > "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> / eC > >  : news:newscache$0rc8uh$udc1$1@news.sil.at...1< > > > In article <c2g6hp$2dnr$1@alpha2.radio-msu.net>, "pbc"! > > <pbc@informchaos.com> writes: E > > > >I'm using OVMS 7.3 on my XP1000. After reading Open VMS System  > ManagementI > > > >Guide I tried to use DISK getting an error no such command exists.  > > >-' > > > What do you expect "DISK" to do ?s/ > > > Diskquota like in "SYSMAN> DISK SHOW *" ?t > > >. > > > -- > > > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER7+ > > > Network and OpenVMS system specialistS" > > > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atL > > > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist > >  > >  >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 09:24:12 +0100( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>C Subject: Re: It is almost certain now, INTEL will have 64bit x86 !!_3 Message-ID: <003f01c404e6$bc81f840$994614ac@wat153>e   Hello,  E The trick of Andrew is to compare a lot of Sun modells with one Alpha  Modell. Also is the referencewH http://www.sun.com/products-n-solutions/hardware/docs/pdf/805-7362-12.pdF f not a description of the E4900. Andrew, do you think that every slot! is a bus? If I have a look at the8H http://www.sun.com/servers/highend/sunfire_e25k/specs.xml I will see theF word slots not busses!! Here a copy of the sentence at the WEBsite: UpH to 72 hot-swappable PCI+ I/O slots: 54 slots are 66 MHz; 18 slots are 33F MHz; supports 10/100 Base-T Ethernet, Gigabit Ethernet, UltraSCSI (LVDH and HVD), ATM, FC-AL, and HiPPI. Andrew can you see here the word bus? I can=B4t see it.    Best regards Rudolf Wingert)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 11:59:50 +0000wO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> C Subject: Re: It is almost certain now, INTEL will have 64bit x86 !!u0 Message-ID: <c2hn7n$m12$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rick Jones wrote: R > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >  >>Each slot has its own bus. >  > C > Thanks.  I'd still like a URL to a document like that for the 15K  > if you have one. >  > F >>Hardly, you havn't provided any explanation of how you arrive at the8 >>bisectional bandwidth or I/O bandwidth numbers for theF >>SuperDome. Arguing for more transparency from Sun on a I/O benchmarkA >>when you can't justify your basic system interconnect bandwidth * >>claims is amusing but far from atypical. >  > E > Call me jaded by the 15K sustained I/O claim that was more than theu > sum of the PCI busses :) >  > F >>Sad to say the rule of thumb for any HP bandwidth claim is to divide= >>it by 2 and that is being very very kind. HP claim that the$3 >>bisectional bandwidth of the SuperDome is 64 GB/s  >  > D > I presume you are refering to the peak crossbar bandwidth from the > likes of:S > V > http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/superdome_high_end/specifications.html >   G Yes HP claim 64 GB/s for both the Integrity SuperDome and the SuperDomerC 64. However the maximum non MPI STREAMS benchmark result is 30 GB/sa under half the claimed peak.  D Still this is better than the Domes predecessor the V-Class 2600, HP: claimed 15.36 (a remarkably precise number) and got 4 GB/s using STREAMS.  C > ?  You have this distressing habit of not citing references... :)  >  >   9 I assumed that you knew you products and therefore didn't?: need a URL, sorry I will remember to provide you with them in the future.   regardsg Andrew Harrison9   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 12:07:07 +0000tO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> C Subject: Re: It is almost certain now, INTEL will have 64bit x86 !! 0 Message-ID: <c2hnlc$m8b$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Dirk Munk wrote:* > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >  >> Dirk Munk wrote:i > 3 > I could have known you would not understand this.iJ > I did not "introduce the PDP11" , I just used it to show that a certain 1 > trick had been performed some odd 30 years ago.rE > I made remark about the 8400 because *you* are comparing it with a t > present day F15K.q >   9 Sorry but I am not comparing the 8400 with the F15K, Ricka Jones is (read the thread).+   >  >> >>I >>> The point was that a 64 bit *architecture* was developed on which 64 PI >>> bit operating systems could run that were capable of addressing lots tG >>> of memory. It was all about *vision*, about future directions, and eF >>> setting up a path to that future. At the time the Alpha appeared, F >>> memory was still very expensive, about a 100 times more expensive I >>> then now. I doubt if anyone could have build a working computer with    >>> let's say 128GB at the time. >>>h >>D >> You cannot compute anything on Vision or Roadmap and the sad factB >> is that at the time of the Digital 64bit marketing BS fest theyB >> hadn't managed to design a system that allowed you to make much6 >> practical use of the 64bit features being marketed. >>? >> That only arrived sort of with higher density memory and the 	 >> GS140.  >  > I > Rubbish. At the time they bumped into the 32 bit barrier, and the next 7H > logical step was the 64 bit cpu. Even doubling the max. 32 bit memory I > space in a computer system was a big step forward. Maybe Digital could .C > have done the PDP11 trick again (or other slow memory management gI > tricks), but they did not. Instead they went for a true 64 bit system, 2K > that was the vision. To think that they would have had to build computer uK > systems with some 600GB internal memory at that time to justify a 64 bit e > cpu is ridiculous.  C You seem to have entirely missed the point. Digital market the ideao? that 64bit OS/HW gave you huge performance benefits because ford3 example you could have a very large in memory DBMS.   ? The fact that you could not have a very large in memory DBMS onh< a 8400 with more than 2 CPU's and resiliant I/O was a bit of: a damper to these claims and was entirely dependant on the& configuration constraints of the 8400.  7 No one is disputing that 64bit is a bad idea or that itb; was the logical progression from 32bit systems. But Digitali9 never built systems that could take advantage of a lot ofa7 the 64bit features that they claimed would be a benefits to their customers.g    G > That pdf is about the 6800/4810/4800/3800 systems. But thank you for oC > pointing me  to this site. Now at last I can help my SUN support aE > collegues with usefull information about the I/O subsystems of SUN -G > systems. Trying to find the right information on the SUN web site is b  > hopeless according to them(!!) >   : The 4800 currently has the same I/O subsystem as the 4900.   Regards3 Andrew Harrisonr   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2004 08:29:53 -0800,- From: bhushann@hotmail.com (Bhushan Narkhede)  Subject: Non-blocking connectT< Message-ID: <8a3b834.0403080829.37dc5365@posting.google.com>   Hi,   D    I posting this message to findout if there is any way by which we@ can identify if the non-blocking connect() we issued is still in" progress or a failure has occured.  @ Immediately after issuing the non-blocking call we can check theE errno. But if down in the code, say after 100 lines, we need to chech)F if the connect() is complete/failed or still in progress, how do we do this on VMS 7.x OS.h  & I am not aware of this on unix either.   Rgds,t Bhushana   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 12:26:59 +0000vO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>c, Subject: Re: Not meaning to feed Andrew.....0 Message-ID: <c2hoqj$mje$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Main, Kerry wrote: >>-----Original Message-----  G > Well, there is this article which you might find interesting feedbackEI > from some of those involved in that whole $2B fiasco. Also, it has someyF > valuable insight into just how much (or rather little) the Sun folks > think of Linux.v >   A Kerry all you have broadcasted is more irrelevant FUD. This is an B email from a disgruntled ex Cobalt employee not a Cobalt customer.  " Do you understand the difference ?  < You seem intend on proving my point using as much collateral as possible.  
 Thanks again.1    > >>How about the one example you really didn't want to mention 7 >>Solaris x86, Sun dropped it, our users complained we a= >>reinstated it and Solaris 10 for x86 is available for beta i >>customers etc. >> >  > + > Come on Andrew, lets not get silly here. M > J > This is exactly the type of marketing crap that I was talking about. TheH > back tracking decision had little to do with end users, but rather theF > black eye Sun was receiving in the press and with its Customer base. > J > Sun simply dropped their Solaris/x86 Customers with little thought givenF > to protecting their existing investments. What were they supposed toJ > move to? Their only option was Solaris on SPARC i.e. buy more SPARC hw -' > which no doubt was the original idea.d >   D So what, Sun made a mistake, we corrected it and most people (exceptE you apparently) would applaud the fact that Sun had the guts to admita their mistake and rectify it.s  F > They also only gave their end users a few months notice telling themH > that Solaris 9 would not be available on the x86 platform when it came > out. > . > Needless to say, the public outcry was huge. >   1 Compare and contrast that with the Alphacide huge - outcry and in fact the origional response was / more favourable than the current possition. Thes/ origional response was we arn't going to changeh+ our minds but you have a roadmap for futurei( Alpha developments, that roadmap has now been further trunkated.y  3 As I said earlier all you keep doing is reinforcingr0 what I claimed earlier, thanks for that and keep digging.   Regards  Andrew Harrisone   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 08:47:44 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> , Subject: RE: Not meaning to feed Andrew.....R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB279620@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----, > From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy=203 > [mailto:Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com]=20h > Sent: March 8, 2004 7:27 AMa > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComC. > Subject: Re: Not meaning to feed Andrew..... >=20 > Main, Kerry wrote: > >>-----Original Message----- >=207 > > Well, there is this article which you might find=20t > interesting feedback=20 I > > from some of those involved in that whole $2B fiasco. Also, it has=20.J > > some valuable insight into just how much (or rather little) the Sun=20 > > folks think of Linux.d > >=20 >=20@ > Kerry all you have broadcasted is more irrelevant FUD. This=20< > is an email from a disgruntled ex Cobalt employee not a=20 > Cobalt customer. >=20$ > Do you understand the difference ? >=20  C Sigh ... Re-read the article ... It has references to Customers.=201  E Lets not be silly here - do you really think all those Customers thate< made significant investments in these Sun products that wereE subsequently "murdered" (to use a semi-popular phrase from some here)a* were not ticked off with this decision?=20  2 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/35/34673.html) "Sun and Cobalt left me with a dinky toy"a  G Quote: "[snip..]...You obviously have read a bunch of propaganda. Those G of us that use server appliances are scrambling to create a replacement D for the Cobalt line. There are a few GUIs available, but the cost in& some cases is prohibitive." End quote.  D I am not going to say that the Alpha decision was a popular one, butF please don't try and put Sun on a pedestal as a company that would notB do anything like that. The Cobalt EOL announcement after months of  promoting it was the same thing.   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultanto HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477I Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom6. (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 15:50:57 +0000.O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>c, Subject: Re: Not meaning to feed Andrew.....0 Message-ID: <c2i4p2$qsh$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Main, Kerry wrote: >>-----Original Message-----* >>From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy 1 >>[mailto:Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com] M >>Sent: March 8, 2004 7:27 AMc >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma. >>Subject: Re: Not meaning to feed Andrew..... >> >>Main, Kerry wrote: >> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>4 >>>Well, there is this article which you might find  >> >>interesting feedback - >>F >>>from some of those involved in that whole $2B fiasco. Also, it has G >>>some valuable insight into just how much (or rather little) the Sun o >>>folks think of Linux. >>>2 >>> >>Kerry all you have broadcasted is more irrelevant FUD. This : >>is an email from a disgruntled ex Cobalt employee not a  >>Cobalt customer. >>$ >>Do you understand the difference ? >> >  > C > Sigh ... Re-read the article ... It has references to Customers. r > G > Lets not be silly here - do you really think all those Customers thatt> > made significant investments in these Sun products that wereG > subsequently "murdered" (to use a semi-popular phrase from some here)O* > were not ticked off with this decision?  >   5 Sigh one customer and they arn't complaining directlyi at Sun (read the article).  7 Do you really want me to compare and contrast that veryy5 muted response to the demise of the Cobalt brand with.2 the demise of Alpha/Tru64 plus the non delivery of2 the limitted additional support that was announced when Alpha was axed.  ? For example Sun has released the Qube Sources to the OpenSourcek= community, can you show me where the Tru64 sources are for men= to download and do what I will with given that Tru64 is going  to EOL.0  2 As I said earlier you are the master of irrelevant9 FUD and all you are doing with this thread is reinforcingp
 that fact.   Thanks Andrew Harrison14 > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/35/34673.html+ > "Sun and Cobalt left me with a dinky toy"i > I > Quote: "[snip..]...You obviously have read a bunch of propaganda. ThoserI > of us that use server appliances are scrambling to create a replacementkF > for the Cobalt line. There are a few GUIs available, but the cost in( > some cases is prohibitive." End quote. >     F > I am not going to say that the Alpha decision was a popular one, butH > please don't try and put Sun on a pedestal as a company that would notD > do anything like that. The Cobalt EOL announcement after months of" > promoting it was the same thing. > 	 > Regardse >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant  > HP Services Canada > Voice: 613-592-4660  > Fax: 613-591-4477e > Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom-. > (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:54:03 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>a, Subject: RE: Not meaning to feed Andrew.....R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB279667@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----, > From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy=203 > [mailto:Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com]=20w > Sent: March 8, 2004 10:51 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com . > Subject: Re: Not meaning to feed Andrew..... >=20 > Main, Kerry wrote: > >>-----Original Message-----. > >>From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy=202 > >>[mailto:Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com] > >>Sent: March 8, 2004 7:27 AMa > >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como0 > >>Subject: Re: Not meaning to feed Andrew..... > >> > >>Main, Kerry wrote: > >>  > >>>>-----Original Message----- > >>5 > >>>Well, there is this article which you might find: > >> > >>interesting feedback > >>J > >>>from some of those involved in that whole $2B fiasco. Also, it has=20; > >>>some valuable insight into just how much (or rather=20n > little) the Sun=20 > >>>folks think of Linux. > >>>t > >>H > >>Kerry all you have broadcasted is more irrelevant FUD. This is an=20F > >>email from a disgruntled ex Cobalt employee not a Cobalt customer. > >>& > >>Do you understand the difference ? > >> > >=20 > >=20G > > Sigh ... Re-read the article ... It has references to Customers.=20- > >=20= > > Lets not be silly here - do you really think all those=20  > Customers that=20oC > > made significant investments in these Sun products that were=20$A > > subsequently "murdered" (to use a semi-popular phrase from=20e > some here)=20s+ > > were not ticked off with this decision?  > >=20 >=20A > Sigh one customer and they arn't complaining directly at Sun=20t > (read the article).e >=20B > Do you really want me to compare and contrast that very muted=20B > response to the demise of the Cobalt brand with the demise of=20A > Alpha/Tru64 plus the non delivery of the limitted additional=20p1 > support that was announced when Alpha was axed.r >=209 > For example Sun has released the Qube Sources to the=20nB > OpenSource community, can you show me where the Tru64 sources=20> > are for me to download and do what I will with given that=20 > Tru64 is going to EOL. >=20	 [snip ..]u  + Come on Andrew - quit grasping at straws ..o  H The Cobalt SW and HW is dead, dead - nothing is continuing. There are noG follow-on products or roadmaps. Nothing is being used in Solaris future  versions etc. None. Nada.s  G So, why would Sun not throw everything associated with the product intod the Open Source arena?  H Tru64 UNIX continues to be actively sold and supported. It will continueG to be supported until at least 2011 (that's all the lawyers would agreen, to, but VAX's are still supported today).=20  F In addition, a number of key and very competitive technologies will be& integrated from Tru64 UNIX into HP-UX.  E So, based on your view, HP should follow Sun's lead and give away all # the Tru64 sources away for nothing?   C ROTFL ..come on Andrew, its time to move on. This thread is getting:	 boring ..    :-) :-)   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant: HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660l Fax: 613-591-4477t Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcoml. (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:41:52 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com7 Subject: Odd change to DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXTLQ Message-ID: <OFA6EBE7FD.8EF56326-ON85256E51.0060368B-85256E51.00611EF9@metso.com>t   This change:  G >   271         o  After installing this kit, the PCSI utility files onh yourG >   272            system disk will be newer than the PCSI files on thea V7.3-2G >   273            installation CD.  Because of that, during an upgradei fromH >   274            V7.3-1 to V7.3-2 you will be asked if you wish to use the PCSIK >   275            utility files from the installation disk or the existing$ filespI >   276            on the system disk.  You must choose to use the systema diskI >   277            files in order to make use of the new changes providedc by thisu >   278            kit.s >   279   E seems to belong only in the V7.3-1 version of this ECO (where it alsoo appears), asD this kit cannot be installed on a V7.3-1 disk.  This ECO can only be installed afterhK an upgrade (using the V7.3-2 installation CD), and then installing this ECOt wouldnF probably replace same-version with same-version, if or tell you it was skipping - I doy4 not know which when the existing files are the same.  J It is also a mystery what changed in the ECO kit, as the release notes are
 the same filevD in both versions and the ECO number is also the same, but the listed Checksum is not.  	 Comments?a  C $ diff /mat=1/igno=(head:2,form) DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;2  ************' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;2hB    14       VMS732_PCSI-V0100.PCSI-DCX_AXPEXE Checksum: 2380398121    15n ******' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;1bB    14       VMS732_PCSI-V0100.PCSI-DCX_AXPEXE Checksum: 2483983161    15p ************ ************' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;2i   260e ******' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;1aC   260        No reboot is necessary after installation of this kit.n However,I   261        after installation of the kit users will need to take one of  theiH   262        following steps to ensure that the new PCSI files are used:   263, ************ ************' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;2 G   261         o  No reboot is necessary after installation of this kit. J   262            However, after installation of the kit users will need to takeG   263            one of the following steps to ensure that the new PCSI0 filese   264            are used:   265e ******' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;1oC   264         o  Execute the command SET COMMAND SYS$UPDATE:PCSI.CLs   265a ************ ************' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;2 H   266             -  Execute the command SET COMMAND SYS$UPDATE:PCSI.CLD   267a ******' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;1o)   266         o  Log out and log back in.d   267e ************ ************' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;2o-   268             -  Log out and log back in.h   269  ******' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;1u   268a ************ ************' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;2lJ   271         o  After installing this kit, the PCSI utility files on yourE   272            system disk will be newer than the PCSI files on the  V7.3-2J   273            installation CD.  Because of that, during an upgrade fromJ   274            V7.3-1 to V7.3-2 you will be asked if you wish to use the PCSII   275            utility files from the installation disk or the existings filesaG   276            on the system disk.  You must choose to use the systeml diskJ   277            files in order to make use of the new changes provided by this   278            kit.o   279  ******' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;1h$   270   8  COPYRIGHT AND DISCLAIMER:   271s ************ ************' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;2a   280, ******' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;1uI   272        (C) Copyright 2004 Hewlett-Packard Development Company, L.P.    273x ************ ************' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;2i   281I ******' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;1oK   274        Confidential computer software.  Valid license from HP  and/or  its C   275        subsidiaries required for possession, use, or copying.o   276R ************ ************' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;2&$   282   8  COPYRIGHT AND DISCLAIMER:   283h ******' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;1vE   277        Consistent  with  FAR  12.211  and  12.212,   Commercialn ComputerG   278        Software,  Computer  Software Documentation, and Technicalc Data forI   279        Commercial  Items  are  licensed  to  the  U.S.   GovernmentC undere2   280        vendor's standard commercial license.   281- ************ ************' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;2UI   284        (C) Copyright 2004 Hewlett-Packard Development Company, L.P.r   285  ******' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;1uK   282        Neither HP  nor  any  of  its  subsidiaries  shall  be  liable_ forrK   283        technical  or  editorial errors or omissions contained herein.e ThetF   284        information in this document is provided "as is"  without warrantyJ   285        of  any  kind  and  is  subject  to  change  without  notice. The G   286        warranties for HP products are set forth  in  the  expressn limitedfI   287        warranty  statements  accompanying  such  products.  Nothingc hereinH   288        should be construed as constituting an additional warranty.   289a ************ ************' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;2oK   286        Confidential computer software.  Valid license from HP  and/orl itseC   287        subsidiaries required for possession, use, or copying.t   288  ******' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;1a?   290        DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTY AND LIMITATION OF LIABILITY    291c ************ ************' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;2 E   289        Consistent  with  FAR  12.211  and  12.212,   Commercial. ComputerG   290        Software,  Computer  Software Documentation, and Technical> Data forI   291        Commercial  Items  are  licensed  to  the  U.S.   Governmentw underm2   292        vendor's standard commercial license.   293oK   294        Neither HP  nor  any  of  its  subsidiaries  shall  be  liable  forfK   295        technical  or  editorial errors or omissions contained herein.e ThecF   296        information in this document is provided "as is"  without warrantyJ   297        of  any  kind  and  is  subject  to  change  without  notice. ThecG   298        warranties for HP products are set forth  in  the  expresso limitedlI   299        warranty  statements  accompanying  such  products.  Nothingi hereinH   300        should be construed as constituting an additional warranty.   301 ?   302        DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTY AND LIMITATION OF LIABILITY    303eJ   304        THIS PATCH IS PROVIDED AS IS, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF  ANY  KIND. ALLt ******' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;1qJ   292        THIS PATCH IS PROVIDED AS IS, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF  ANY  KIND. ALLb ************ ************' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;2    312h     314e   315f ******' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;1 =   300        MADE AVAILABLE HERE OR TO THE USE OF SUCH PATCH.y ************  ' Number of difference sections found: 13t& Number of difference records found: 52  ; DIFFERENCES /IGNORE=(HEADER=2,FORM_FEEDS)/MATCH=1/MERGED=1- '     DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;2-a&     DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;1   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 11:27:58 GMTsL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")P Subject: Re: OpenVMS virus proof while other disks get zapped by latest viruses!6 Message-ID: <00A2E845.D0EDACAA@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  h In article <d7791aa1.0403070651.6f63c636@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes: >winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") wrote in message news:<00A2E735.6C56B479@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>...Q >> nM >> Are you serious about Word-11?  (And for that matter, about 20/20 or 1-2-3lO >> for spreadsheets?)  For the halfway-to-desktop-publishing uses people expectaH >> from word-processing programs now, Word-11 basically sucks.  When theL >> alternative was Wang-style dedicated word processors, Word-11 was a great >> option, but now ...   >> t> >> We still support it because we have scientific staff who'veR >> been here for twenty years and who've got papers written in it (greek characterO >> support was a big deal), but almost all the clerical staff who understand iteG >> have left, and the new ones who come in aren't inclined to learn it.c >> dP >> Given the option, most people will use Word. And the ones who hate GUIs would >> sooner use TeX than Word-11.. >>  M >> Similarly, the VMS version of 1-2-3 is feature-compatible with 1-2-3 v. 1..N >> Excel does more for you, is easier to use, has better ability to integrate O >> with other data sources *and is what people come to you knowing how to use*.u >>  
 >> -- Alan > > >and Alan, our accountants here who love lotus told me to tell= >you that excel stinks (they actually used a slight veriationt3 >of this word, but I cleaned it up for them) ... :)   G Hey, it's not only the standard throughout this organization, it's the eL standard for event budgets at the nonprofit organization of which I'm on theL board, and it enables various non-accountant people to use templates and getO reasonably accurate budgets.  It seems to work for us, without having to investNL in a lot of training.  Maybe it sucks by some measures, but it's already won everywhere I look.   -- Alanl   -- >O ===============================================================================00  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056XM  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025tO ===============================================================================(   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 11:25:46 GMTpL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")P Subject: Re: OpenVMS virus proof while other disks get zapped by latest viruses!6 Message-ID: <00A2E845.8257E8CB@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  h In article <d7791aa1.0403070615.3bebb0bf@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes: >winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") wrote in message news:<00A2E735.6C56B479@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>...wk >> In article <d7791aa1.0403061809.292099b5@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:gn >> >bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote in message news:<c2d0rh$1rv0t1$3@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>... >>  G >> If your company is in a position to mandate that people use obsolete Q >> applications they don't like and that take longer to get good-looking work outyR >> of, in exchange  for better security, then bully for you.  That's not how it isO >> for us, and  I doubt that's how it is for anybody anywhere you don't have to, >> have a clearance to work. >> M
 >> -- Alan >i? >our company doesn't mandate anything ... word11 is easy to use = >and most of our employees still like it, just like they also  >like lotusM  B Cool.  Our clerical staff has turned over repeatedly since Word-11E was big, and even the clerical people who used to use it all the time E can't remember how to do stuff; I have to do more Word-11 support for E the very occasional use it gets than I had to do when it was the sole  WP product here.    / > ... if you want excel then we will give you a-> >peecee and you can go to town on excel ... most of our people< >have been with us many years and prefer these apps, and you= >would be suprised how the new ones pick up easily and prefer|% >word11 to excel for everyday wp ... |  K Wouldn't surprise me that they prefer Word-11 to Excel for word processing,|F since Excel's a spreadsheet with some charting capability, but it doesJ surprise me that the new ones easily pick up Word-11.  That's not the caseJ here.  (And I notice that MultiMate, a PC-based Wang-style WP with special9 keytops, etc, doesn't seem to be around any more either.)d   >to each his own ...= >most of our letters are computer generated ... even our docsc; >are going to html on the web, so wp is becoming a thing of0: >the past ... for basic wp and spreadsheets, excel and the@ >other windoze garbage has nothing on the good old dec stuff ...      < >if you believe you can be more productive for all things on2 >a pc over good old cell based, you are wrong ...   H Nope, I'm not making that argument at all.  At work I have a 10-year-oldN DECstation 3000, and a 2-year-old PC (with a brand-new waiting to be installedI when our PC support group has time left over from patching our installed 2J machines against the latest vulnerability.)  I'm on the DECstation 95% of ; the time, and most of that in DECterms open to the DS20E.  n     >I can still; >maintain and develope code on a vms system with a good oldn; >VT and EDT and DCL faster than anyone can in windows stuckK3 >jumping back and forth between mouse and keyboard    H I write HTML and CGI scripts in EVE all  the time.  (EVE rather than EDTH because it supports using all 42 lines in my  DECterm config and puttingL multiple buffers in different windows at the same time.)    And I'm inclined/ to use RUNOFF for anything I can get away with.   M But that's me. I have many users who find their PC apps easier to learn, more M capable than what's on VMS, and would hate to lose them.  (And in some cases, M they just believe what they have is more capable since they've never bothered|& to even ask what the VMS app will do.)   >... windoze; >is only good for one thing, a graphical client, and a poor|9 >one at that ... decwindows is a suitable alternative ...%> >the only advantage windows has right now are certain apps ...  M Like Powerpoint, which simply has no replacement on VMS, and is ubiquitous in|N almost every organization environment.  (Whether or not that's a good thing isI another question; Edward Tufte, the graphical representation guru, has an L essay in which he suggests that Powerpoint is making us dumber because ideasD that can't be explained in three bullet points don't get put forth.)  H I was happy to use Powerpoint to make a presentation that argued that we9 should move some important apps off Windows and onto VMS.s  < >it's a shame that digital got lost in the peecee low margin< >mindset and didn't stick solely to VMS/alpha/decwindows and: >most importantly apps ... they may still have been around; >today ... but if you want a peecee in our company Alan, we ; >will certainly give you one for a client, but not for yourR >server ... :)    Fine by me.  Not an option here.   -- Alan    --  O ===============================================================================R0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056$M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================m   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 12:45:03 +0000 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> P Subject: Re: OpenVMS virus proof while other disks get zapped by latest viruses!0 Message-ID: <c2hpsf$mtb$3@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:7l > bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote in message news:<c2d0rh$1rv0t1$3@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>... > K >>Uhhhh....  Bob just said he runs "powerterm for vt emulation".  PowertermeJ >>is a Windows program, not a VMS program. He may not see it, recognize itJ >>or be willing to admit it, but he is running Windows, just like everyoneI >>else.  He doesn't have VMS to the desktop and his employers systems arem& >>just as vulnerable as anyone else's. >> >>bill >  > @ > try this company bill ... they can get you a thin client built= > with garbage linux and just about any vt emulator you would_ > want loaded on ... > 3 > http://www.midcomdata.com/thinclient/Welcome.html   1 And how many times have we had to put up with yout0 complaining about Linux security holes Bob ?????   regardsa Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 12:42:01 +0000dO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>bP Subject: Re: OpenVMS virus proof while other disks get zapped by latest viruses!0 Message-ID: <c2hpmp$mtb$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:K > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c29u3i$6fq$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  >  >>Bob Ceculski wrote:  >>e >>>"rob kas" <rob@paychoice.com.noSPAM> wrote in message news:<104eebok3ks8jd4@corp.supernews.com>...  >>>  >>>s >>>>Bobr >>>>( >>>>What do you run on your VMS systems? >>>> >>>>                     Rob >>>/ >>>c >>>everything! >># >>Do you have windows desktops ????t >>	 >>RegardsP >>Andrew Harrisonb >  > > > no, we have thin clients that run powerterm for vt emulation8 > and choice of browser (windows or mozilla) for web and8 > email access ... we are virus proof and unhackable ...    E Ahhhhhhhhemmmmm so what hosts the Windows Browser Bob ??????????????? C Could the Windows Browser be running on something running "Windows"t perhaps ???????????????.     regards  Andrew Harrisont   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2004 07:47:09 -0600l; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)gP Subject: Re: OpenVMS virus proof while other disks get zapped by latest viruses!3 Message-ID: <Ym3Ms+wZjayl@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <d7791aa1.0403070651.6f63c636@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes: > ? > and Alan, our accountants here who love lotus told me to tellt> > you that excel stinks (they actually used a slight veriation4 > of this word, but I cleaned it up for them) ... :)  C    Having used both, I'd rather heavily agree with you accountants.w   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 10:24:10 +0000aO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>1M Subject: Re: Professional Agitator - Harrison, Andrew. Confimed on sun.com!!!s0 Message-ID: <c2hhka$k9b$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Alex Daniels wrote:i  >>From: Dr. Dweeb (dr@dweeb.com) >> > <SNIP> >=20	 >>>Third:o >>>u5 >>>What does Andrew Harrison have to do with OpenVMS?. >>>a >>  >>Why, I thought everyone knew?! >>E >>Andrew is Sun=B4s official, highly paid, professional agitator.  He  >=20
 > provides >=20 >>sport <SNIP> >=20 >=20F > I think the comment about him being a professional agitator could be- > more acurate than you suspect. Check out...a >=20A > http://www.sun.com/partners/tmo/erpsc/pdf/Vert_Hor_Com_Arch.pdfoD > http://www.sun.com/datacenter/superg/docs/Atwood_SUPerG_Berlin.pdf >=20H > These documents seem to indicate Andy has produced a 'RAC calculator',F > this program apprently "calculates" the relative cost buying sun kitG > against other platforms for certain applications. Supposedly the user1F > can input the make/model etc of another platform and it "calculates" > instantly why sun is better. >=20E > The documents go on to show a case study that compares sun to dell.u >=20  B The Documents which I didn't write go on to compare Sun with Dell.  = The tool in fact can be used to compare any platform with anyt> other platform. You could compare small Dells with large Dells or Small HP's with large IBM's.t  < We did it after running a number of RAC benchmarks comparing; large SMP systems running a specific workload with the same $ workload running on 9i RAC clusters.  F We were having difficulty working out what target level of scalabilityA we should be aiming for with RAC to make RAC pay its way. This isv& a fairly complex model hence the tool.      H > If anyone has a copy of this, let me know, I'm allways interested in a
 > good laugh.i >=20 > Alex   Really !   Regardss Andrew Harrisone   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 21:28:49 GMTe# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>aM Subject: Re: Professional Agitator - Harrison, Andrew. Confimed on sun.com!!!eJ Message-ID: <luM2c.188560$Qg7.186194@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  4 "David Svensson" <icerq4a@spray.se> wrote in message7 news:734da31c.0403070746.61ea8baa@posting.google.com...m/ > GreyCloud <mist@Cumulus.com> wrote in messaget3 news:<XUm2c.726$Wc4.1392@bcandid.telisphere.com>...e > > Alex Daniels wrote:n > >t$ > > >>From: Dr. Dweeb (dr@dweeb.com) > > >> > > > <SNIP> > > >n
 > > >>>Third:e > > >>>s9 > > >>>What does Andrew Harrison have to do with OpenVMS?c > > >>>h > > >>$ > > >>Why, I thought everyone knew?! > > >>G > > >>Andrew is Suns official, highly paid, professional agitator.  He9 > > >0 > > > provides > > >a > > >>sport <SNIP> > > >  > > >:J > > > I think the comment about him being a professional agitator could be1 > > > more acurate than you suspect. Check out...n > > > E > > > http://www.sun.com/partners/tmo/erpsc/pdf/Vert_Hor_Com_Arch.pdf)H > > > http://www.sun.com/datacenter/superg/docs/Atwood_SUPerG_Berlin.pdf > > >sL > > > These documents seem to indicate Andy has produced a 'RAC calculator',J > > > this program apprently "calculates" the relative cost buying sun kitK > > > against other platforms for certain applications. Supposedly the user J > > > can input the make/model etc of another platform and it "calculates"" > > > instantly why sun is better. > > >rI > > > The documents go on to show a case study that compares sun to dell.m > > >jL > > > If anyone has a copy of this, let me know, I'm allways interested in a > > > good laugh.n > > > 
 > > > Alex > >iL > > Well, it is rather obvious that a Sun rep. would troll a VMS news group.K > > By injecting biased comments into a vms newsgroup he can show potentialoJ > > customers that are thinking of OpenVMS as a solution to look into thisF > > newsgroup for the various problems that crop up.  But then one canK > > always go into a Solaris newsgroup and find that they too have many and  > > various problems.  >oG > If Sun must take customers from VMS then Sun must be in real trouble.sF > Perhaps Andrew know that the situation within Sun is even worse thanB > what the public know. I would have some kind of understanding ofH > Andrew if Sun had the market share similar to VMS and VMS was a marketF > leader, but he is insisting on kicking on someone lying down which I > find disgusting. >lC > I do my best telling customers not to choose Sun because of this.a      F Despite Sun's financial condition, most organizations have a favorableL opinion of them and their products. This is in large part to their continued promotion of them.  K No one thinks that Solaris is dead - they may think that it will lose salesoG to linux and x86 but they don't have the opinion that AIX or HP-UX will? erode Solaris's market share.o  L Or expressed a little differently, Sun's problems are caused by a slowing inJ sales, whereas VMS's problems are caused by problems in senior management.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 10:17:45 +0000iO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>cM Subject: Re: Professional Agitator - Harrison, Andrew. Confimed on sun.com!!!n0 Message-ID: <c2hh8a$k53$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   David Svensson wrote: J > GreyCloud <mist@Cumulus.com> wrote in message news:<XUm2c.726$Wc4.1392@= bcandid.telisphere.com>... >=20 >>Alex Daniels wrote:p >> >>" >>>>From: Dr. Dweeb (dr@dweeb.com) >>>> >>>o	 >>><SNIP>u >>>d >>>>>Third:e >>>>>m7 >>>>>What does Andrew Harrison have to do with OpenVMS?  >>>>>r >>>>" >>>>Why, I thought everyone knew?! >>>>G >>>>Andrew is Sun=B4s official, highly paid, professional agitator.  Hep >>>g >>>providesd >>>n >>>H >>>>sport <SNIP> >>>- >>>-G >>>I think the comment about him being a professional agitator could be . >>>more acurate than you suspect. Check out... >>>dB >>>http://www.sun.com/partners/tmo/erpsc/pdf/Vert_Hor_Com_Arch.pdfE >>>http://www.sun.com/datacenter/superg/docs/Atwood_SUPerG_Berlin.pdfn >>>HJ >>>These documents seem to indicate Andy has produced a 'RAC calculator',=  G >>>this program apprently "calculates" the relative cost buying sun kitjH >>>against other platforms for certain applications. Supposedly the userG >>>can input the make/model etc of another platform and it "calculates"o >>>instantly why sun is better.e >>>kF >>>The documents go on to show a case study that compares sun to dell. >>>2J >>>If anyone has a copy of this, let me know, I'm allways interested in a=   >>>good laugh. >>>L >>>Alex  >>J >>Well, it is rather obvious that a Sun rep. would troll a VMS news group= =2E=20J >>By injecting biased comments into a vms newsgroup he can show potential= =20oJ >>customers that are thinking of OpenVMS as a solution to look into this =  G >>newsgroup for the various problems that crop up.  But then one can=20yJ >>always go into a Solaris newsgroup and find that they too have many and= =20c >>various problems.e >=20 >=20G > If Sun must take customers from VMS then Sun must be in real trouble.iF > Perhaps Andrew know that the situation within Sun is even worse thanB > what the public know. I would have some kind of understanding ofH > Andrew if Sun had the market share similar to VMS and VMS was a marketF > leader, but he is insisting on kicking on someone lying down which I > find disgusting. >=20  < If you can find a single instance of me kicking OpenVMS then feel free to publish it.  	 Go ahead.p  8 Remember the reason why I got involved in this newsgroup5 was not to kick someone who was lying down but was toh4 refute a series of what turned out to lies that were being spread about Sun.e  : This FUD was being spread specifically to divert attention from the owners of OpenVMS.5  : Be very carefull. you are beginning to sound like a member@ of the choir and the closer you get to that the less opportunity= you have to criticise anyones motivations for posting to this  group.   regardsU Andrew HarrisondC > I do my best telling customers not to choose Sun because of this.d >=20 > /David   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 18:10:32 GMT-" From: GreyCloud <mist@Cumulus.com>M Subject: Re: Professional Agitator - Harrison, Andrew. Confimed on sun.com!!!o7 Message-ID: <sG23c.753$Wc4.1738@bcandid.telisphere.com>S  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:   > David Svensson wrote:e > 1 >> GreyCloud <mist@Cumulus.com> wrote in message W6 >> news:<XUm2c.726$Wc4.1392@bcandid.telisphere.com>... >> >>> Alex Daniels wrote:> >>>  >>>o$ >>>>> From: Dr. Dweeb (dr@dweeb.com) >>>>>s >>>> >>>> <SNIP>  >>>>
 >>>>>> Third:  >>>>>>9 >>>>>> What does Andrew Harrison have to do with OpenVMS?. >>>>>> >>>>>e$ >>>>> Why, I thought everyone knew?! >>>>>nG >>>>> Andrew is Suns official, highly paid, professional agitator.  He  >>>> >>>>
 >>>> provideso >>>> >>>> >>>>> sport <SNIP> >>>> >>>> >>>>I >>>> I think the comment about him being a professional agitator could bes0 >>>> more acurate than you suspect. Check out... >>>>D >>>> http://www.sun.com/partners/tmo/erpsc/pdf/Vert_Hor_Com_Arch.pdfG >>>> http://www.sun.com/datacenter/superg/docs/Atwood_SUPerG_Berlin.pdfe >>>>K >>>> These documents seem to indicate Andy has produced a 'RAC calculator',aI >>>> this program apprently "calculates" the relative cost buying sun kittJ >>>> against other platforms for certain applications. Supposedly the userI >>>> can input the make/model etc of another platform and it "calculates" ! >>>> instantly why sun is better.s >>>>H >>>> The documents go on to show a case study that compares sun to dell. >>>>K >>>> If anyone has a copy of this, let me know, I'm allways interested in an >>>> good laugh. >>>>	 >>>> Alext >>>e >>>tF >>> Well, it is rather obvious that a Sun rep. would troll a VMS news I >>> group. By injecting biased comments into a vms newsgroup he can show fF >>> potential customers that are thinking of OpenVMS as a solution to I >>> look into this newsgroup for the various problems that crop up.  But "G >>> then one can always go into a Solaris newsgroup and find that they  ' >>> too have many and various problems.  >> >> >>H >> If Sun must take customers from VMS then Sun must be in real trouble.G >> Perhaps Andrew know that the situation within Sun is even worse thangC >> what the public know. I would have some kind of understanding ofdI >> Andrew if Sun had the market share similar to VMS and VMS was a marketnG >> leader, but he is insisting on kicking on someone lying down which Iw >> find disgusting.  >> > > > If you can find a single instance of me kicking OpenVMS then > feel free to publish it. >  > Go ahead.7 > : > Remember the reason why I got involved in this newsgroup7 > was not to kick someone who was lying down but was to 6 > refute a series of what turned out to lies that were > being spread about Sun.j > < > This FUD was being spread specifically to divert attention > from the owners of OpenVMS.e > < > Be very carefull. you are beginning to sound like a memberB > of the choir and the closer you get to that the less opportunity? > you have to criticise anyones motivations for posting to thisn > group. >   D I've heard the very exact phrase from another consultant in another , newsgroup that works for a different vendor. Guffaw!n   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:58:16 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com, Subject: Q on diff /mat=1/igno=(head:2,form)Q Message-ID: <OFAFB8EACD.E019320A-ON85256E51.0062014A-85256E51.00629F57@metso.com>   A Please note here that at line 312 a form_feed character occurs ins> the output of the difference command even though the qualifierF "/IGNORE=FORM_FEEDS" is included.  If the qualifier "/IGNORE=HEADER=2"/ is removed, the form_feeds are in fact ignored.w  @ Note: The search/form=dump was used on the difference results to# make the form_feed visable as text.a   Is this a bug?   > ************) > File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;2l >   312   <FF> >   314  >   315c > ******) > File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;1? > ************   $ sear 1.dif "" /form=dump  $ diff /mat=1/igno=(head:2,form), DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;2/out=1.DIF ************' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;2 B    14       VMS732_PCSI-V0100.PCSI-DCX_AXPEXE Checksum: 2380398121    152 ******' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;1pB    14       VMS732_PCSI-V0100.PCSI-DCX_AXPEXE Checksum: 2483983161    15e ************ ************' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;2g   260l ******' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;1yC   260        No reboot is necessary after installation of this kit.n However,I   261        after installation of the kit users will need to take one ofn thevH   262        following steps to ensure that the new PCSI files are used:   263x ************ ************' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;2nG   261         o  No reboot is necessary after installation of this kit.rJ   262            However, after installation of the kit users will need to takeG   263            one of the following steps to ensure that the new PCSIh filest   264            are used:   265i ******' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;1 C   264         o  Execute the command SET COMMAND SYS$UPDATE:PCSI.CLe   265s ************ ************' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;2tH   266             -  Execute the command SET COMMAND SYS$UPDATE:PCSI.CLD   267p ******' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;1t)   266         o  Log out and log back in.g   267o ************ ************' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;2f-   268             -  Log out and log back in.    269t ******' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;1u   268  ************ ************' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;2yJ   271         o  After installing this kit, the PCSI utility files on yourE   272            system disk will be newer than the PCSI files on theP V7.3-2J   273            installation CD.  Because of that, during an upgrade fromJ   274            V7.3-1 to V7.3-2 you will be asked if you wish to use the PCSII   275            utility files from the installation disk or the existingm filescG   276            on the system disk.  You must choose to use the systemF diskJ   277            files in order to make use of the new changes provided by this   278            kit.l   279s ******' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;1 $   270   8  COPYRIGHT AND DISCLAIMER:   271C ************ ************' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;2e   280t ******' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;1.I   272        (C) Copyright 2004 Hewlett-Packard Development Company, L.P.    273i ************ ************' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;27   281  ******' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;1tK   274        Confidential computer software.  Valid license from HP  and/ora itspC   275        subsidiaries required for possession, use, or copying.l   276y ************ ************' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;2s$   282   8  COPYRIGHT AND DISCLAIMER:   283h ******' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;1(E   277        Consistent  with  FAR  12.211  and  12.212,   Commercialn ComputerG   278        Software,  Computer  Software Documentation, and Technical- Data forI   279        Commercial  Items  are  licensed  to  the  U.S.   Governmentw undern2   280        vendor's standard commercial license.   281v ************ ************' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;2dI   284        (C) Copyright 2004 Hewlett-Packard Development Company, L.P.P   2857 ******' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;1MK   282        Neither HP  nor  any  of  its  subsidiaries  shall  be  liablec for K   283        technical  or  editorial errors or omissions contained herein.  TheMF   284        information in this document is provided "as is"  without warrantyJ   285        of  any  kind  and  is  subject  to  change  without  notice. The-G   286        warranties for HP products are set forth  in  the  expressl limited I   287        warranty  statements  accompanying  such  products.  Nothing  hereinH   288        should be construed as constituting an additional warranty.   289s ************ ************' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;22K   286        Confidential computer software.  Valid license from HP  and/orn itshC   287        subsidiaries required for possession, use, or copying.r   288n ******' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;1n?   290        DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTY AND LIMITATION OF LIABILITYe   291  ************ ************' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;2 E   289        Consistent  with  FAR  12.211  and  12.212,   Commercial* ComputerG   290        Software,  Computer  Software Documentation, and Technical  Data forI   291        Commercial  Items  are  licensed  to  the  U.S.   Government- underP2   292        vendor's standard commercial license.   293dK   294        Neither HP  nor  any  of  its  subsidiaries  shall  be  liableo for6K   295        technical  or  editorial errors or omissions contained herein.M ThePF   296        information in this document is provided "as is"  without warrantyJ   297        of  any  kind  and  is  subject  to  change  without  notice. TheoG   298        warranties for HP products are set forth  in  the  express  limited3I   299        warranty  statements  accompanying  such  products.  Nothingr hereinH   300        should be construed as constituting an additional warranty.   3017?   302        DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTY AND LIMITATION OF LIABILITYt   303iJ   304        THIS PATCH IS PROVIDED AS IS, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF  ANY  KIND. ALLi ******' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;1fJ   292        THIS PATCH IS PROVIDED AS IS, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF  ANY  KIND. ALLD ************ ************' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;2E   312   <FF>   314*   315* ******' File DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;1a=   300        MADE AVAILABLE HERE OR TO THE USE OF SUCH PATCH.7 ************' Number of difference sections found: 13 & Number of difference records found: 52J DIFFERENCES /IGNORE=(HEADER=2,FORM_FEEDS)/MATCH=1/MERGED=1/OUTPUT=1.DIF;1-'     DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;2- &     DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_PCSI-V0100.TXT;1 ELMX$i   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 10:54:02 -0600s( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)+ Subject: SAMBA & Advanced Server - coexist?-1 Message-ID: <04030810540233@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   = Can SAMBA and Advanced Server coexist on the same VMS server?   F Anyone using SAMBA with VMS V7.3 ?  Do you like it?  Problems with it?   TIA!     J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*no VMS Systems Administratore* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 13:23:11 -0500$ From: "PEN" <paul.nuneznosp@mhp.com>/ Subject: Re: SAMBA & Advanced Server - coexist?M, Message-ID: <c2idmi$bcc$1@hplms2.hpl.hp.com>   Hi John,  5 "John Brandon" <brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote in message*+ news:04030810540233@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com... ? > Can SAMBA and Advanced Server coexist on the same VMS server?b >lH > Anyone using SAMBA with VMS V7.3 ?  Do you like it?  Problems with it? >i > TIA! >e >h > J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*ni > VMS Systems Administratore, > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com  K No (and yes) :).    You can't have the SAMBA server and the Advanced ServerwJ running on the same system (they both want to "listen" on the same UDP and TCP ports).t  I But I've used the SAMBA utilities (that one that lets you map an ftp-likesL connection to any other SMB server, in particular) while Advanced Server was
 running...   HTH,   Paul   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2004 06:20:22 -0800f- From: phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer) 4 Subject: Strange Device name...Anybody have ideas???= Message-ID: <5ee1d1b7.0403080620.75a8c04b@posting.google.com>.  E I have been fighting with the EMC Clariion CX600 system and OpenVMS.  D I have gotten the KGPSA to see the switch and recognize the LUN's atE the H/W level (Thanks Mike&Mike for the help on that one.)  Now, wheneB I went in and did the following I get a strange device name that I? have never seen before3 and am trying to figure out what it is:    SYSMAN> IO AUTOCONFIG/LOG   2 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node AMAZON4 %IOGEN-I-PREFIX, searching for ICBM with prefix SYS$5 %IOGEN-I-PREFIX, searching for ICBM with prefix DECW$f@ %IOGEN-I-FIBREPOLL, scanning for devices through FIBRE port PGA0> %IOGEN-I-SCSIPOLL, scanning for devices through SCSI port PKA0> %IOGEN-I-SCSIPOLL, scanning for devices through SCSI port PKB07 %IOGEN-E-LOADERR, error configuring device OHA0, driver  SYS$OHCIDRIVER.EXE -RMS-E-FNF, file not found SYSMAN>t    F What is "OHA0"?  Where do I find the driver for it?  What do I do withC it?  The OpenVMS is still not seeing the DG drives at the OS level.o   PT.i   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 15:38:50 +0100) From: Roland Barmettler <itsme@127.0.0.1> 8 Subject: Re: Strange Device name...Anybody have ideas???5 Message-ID: <20040308153850.13262b3c.itsme@127.0.0.1>0   Hi Phil    > SYS$OHCIDRIVER.EXE  E OHCI looks like an USB controller to me... does the system have USB ?*   Cheers, Roland   -- 3rd Law of Computing:;         Anything that can go wr*  Segmentation fault (core dumped)   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 15:48:43 GMTy9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> 8 Subject: Re: Strange Device name...Anybody have ideas???- Message-ID: <vB03c.385$y8.8@news.cpqcorp.net>   " Indeed this is the USB controller.  6 "Roland Barmettler" <itsme@127.0.0.1> wrote in message/ news:20040308153850.13262b3c.itsme@127.0.0.1...5	 > Hi Philm >i > > SYS$OHCIDRIVER.EXE >UG > OHCI looks like an USB controller to me... does the system have USB ?f >i > Cheers, Roland >p > -- > 3rd Law of Computing:-! >         Anything that can go wrA" > Segmentation fault (core dumped)   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2004 10:43:58 -0800l- From: phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer)"8 Subject: Re: Strange Device name...Anybody have ideas???= Message-ID: <5ee1d1b7.0403081043.7d4e8469@posting.google.com>y  n "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message news:<vB03c.385$y8.8@news.cpqcorp.net>...$ > Indeed this is the USB controller. > 8 > "Roland Barmettler" <itsme@127.0.0.1> wrote in message1 > news:20040308153850.13262b3c.itsme@127.0.0.1...e > > Hi Phils > >W > > > SYS$OHCIDRIVER.EXE > >bI > > OHCI looks like an USB controller to me... does the system have USB ?  > >e > > Cheers, Roland > >  > > -- > > 3rd Law of Computing: # > >         Anything that can go wrs$ > > Segmentation fault (core dumped)    E Yup.  It does have USB.  Where do I find the driver for this device? eE Also, based on the discussion in one of the other threads, what can I ! use it for?  Just curious is all.s   PT   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 13:50:40 -05001* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>8 Subject: Re: Strange Device name...Anybody have ideas???) Message-ID: <404CC080.621DB931@istop.com>s   PhilThayer wrote:e4 > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node AMAZON6 > %IOGEN-I-PREFIX, searching for ICBM with prefix SYS$7 > %IOGEN-I-PREFIX, searching for ICBM with prefix DECW$dB > %IOGEN-I-FIBREPOLL, scanning for devices through FIBRE port PGA0@ > %IOGEN-I-SCSIPOLL, scanning for devices through SCSI port PKA0@ > %IOGEN-I-SCSIPOLL, scanning for devices through SCSI port PKB09 > %IOGEN-E-LOADERR, error configuring device OHA0, driver  > SYS$OHCIDRIVER.EXE > -RMS-E-FNF, file not found  N It is an undocumented feature for VMS engineers that should have never made itI to public distribution. It is a virtual reality device driver depicting avM Hawaii beach so that during new england's long, cold dark and dreary winters,=< the engineers can take 15 minute breaks on a hawaiian beach.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 11:04:53 +0100( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>+ Subject: Sun coughs eating its own dog foodd3 Message-ID: <000001c404f4$cd513880$994614ac@wat153>=   Hello,  ( the Inquirer  (Monday, 8.3.2004) wrotes:  % Sun coughs eating its own dog food=20    Fails and retreats in shame . By N. Alex Rupp: Sonntag 07 M=E4rz 2004, 10:18E I KNOW IT'S impolite to point, but today I can't help it. Just like IhE couldn't help but notice that Sun Microsystems websites were all downS? for a good period last week. The downtime crippled my afternoonf; programming session and was, in general, a real killjoy.=20eG At first I thought Sun got hacked. Or perhaps it finally hired some web": designers and was launching a massive and much needed site restructuring.=20rB Nope. It tried to migrate from Netscape to iPlanet. Apparently the* experiment was not entirely successful.=20D And this coming from the "100% uptime" company, the mighty toothsomeE Duke of Javaland. I commend Sun for trying to eat its own dogfood andoD achieve self-hosting. But it might want invest in one of those "rackH wrapped" staging servers that McNealy frothed about last summer and walkD through a couple of dress rehearsals before it tries this again. =B5   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 17:22:24 +0000 ) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org>l Subject: Re: Sun On The Run?, Message-ID: <iSI2c.4671$zu.3757@newsfe1-win>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:  @ > Why would you include Sun in a list of computer companies thatE > no longer exist?  People here may not like it, but it has outlastedh? > all the others mentioned above, including Digital and Compaq.r  A I have no idea what the original argument, err thread, was about,c? but I think Sun and Compaq were both founded in 1982. Compaq iso> gone so Sun has outlasted them. When Sun hits the 40 year mark8 (2022 or so) it can be considered to have outlasted DEC.   Antoniov   --   --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgs   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 12:30:34 +0000aO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>c Subject: Re: Sun On The Run?0 Message-ID: <c2hp1a$mje$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:? > In article <8a646952.0403051419.3ebf0749@posting.google.com>, < > 	jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones) writes: >t >>>And Digital >>>m >>>	And Compaq >> >>            And Sunh >  > @ > Why would you include Sun in a list of computer companies thatE > no longer exist?  People here may not like it, but it has outlastedp? > all the others mentioned above, including Digital and Compaq.o >    He is a choirister.h   Regardsd Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 12:40:23 +0000gO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>l Subject: Re: Sun On The Run?0 Message-ID: <c2hpjr$mtb$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Daryl Jones wrote: > Dear Andrew Harrison:u >  > First: > B > Why is Andrew Harrison trying to argue with this article in this' > forum? You need to go the Linux site!n >   5 Because one Daryl Jones posted this to the newsgroup.D    D "NEW YORK - Gerry Louw is a longtime fan of Sun Microsystems and itsA powerful Unix-based computers. In fact, he has been running Sun'swA pricey machines at various companies for more than ten years. Yet ? today, Louw, chief information officer of VMS, a 1,000-employeenA company in New York, is ripping out hundreds of Sun servers in 16aC locations and replacing them with inexpensive servers running Intel / processors and Linux, a free operating system."c     Ohh dear you are Daryl Jones1 Now that wasn't very bright was it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!t  	 > Second:  > F > What is being done to SUN by LINUX it is the same thing SUN has beenG > doing to HP, IBM, Compaq, and others and vise versa. Take over a DatarF > Center by initially cutting its prices and then later boosting them.$ > Business as usual in the IT world. >    Provide examples if you can.     > Third: > 4 > What does Andrew Harrison have to do with OpenVMS? >   5 Replying to your attempts to FUD Sun, now that wasn'ts9 a very bright posting of your was it. In fact its gettingo a bit Bobesq on your part.     Regardsh Andrew Harrisona   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2004 07:37:18 -0600n+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)s Subject: Re: Sun On The Run?3 Message-ID: <eLueesaxFfqR@eisner.encompasserve.org>r   In article <c2hpjr$mtb$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > Daryl Jones wrote:  
 >> Second: >>  G >> What is being done to SUN by LINUX it is the same thing SUN has beenaH >> doing to HP, IBM, Compaq, and others and vise versa. Take over a DataG >> Center by initially cutting its prices and then later boosting them. % >> Business as usual in the IT world.l >> e >  > Provide examples if you can. >   ; 	Really.  That claim is misleading.  I personally don't see 8 	Linux getting a whole lot more expensive and Intel kit > 	has been stable or declining for years in price.  I seriouslyA 	doubt HP boosts their Intel kit prices - Dell is always lurking!o  @ http://www.forbes.com/technology/2004/03/03/cz_dl_0303linux.html  N Same goes for Jorge Borbolla, chief information officer at AutoTradeCenter, anM online auto wholesaler in Menlo Park, Calif.--Sun let him go without a fight. K Borbolla just replaced all of his Sun computers with HP Intel-based serverscM running Linux. "It was the money," Borbolla says. "The Linux systems were 40%i the cost of the Sun machines." s  C 	I'm sure there are dozens of examples in the public domain similaru' 	to the above (several in the article).n   				Robo   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 15:12:40 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>i Subject: Re: Sun On The Run?/ Message-ID: <I303c.382$Cf.363@news.cpqcorp.net>   + "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com> wrote in messageh& news:c2b3ek$e48$1@news.cybercity.dk... > Daryl Jones wrote:   > He wins some,k3 > he retires from other threads when he cannot win.b  L I've yet to hear anyone say "Because of Andrew, I'm dumping VMS and going toH Sun" - which I think is the definition of "win" in this context.  In fac   >  I never go to the otherI > OS forums, so I do not know whether he agitates there or another persono > does.m  I I haven't found any other groups where Andrew has written a word over thebH last year (other than a lone cross post from cov to another).  He prettyJ much sticks to "helping" VMS and doesn't lend his "vast" experience to the	 Sun user._   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 14:59:45 +0000hO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>u Subject: Re: Sun On The Run?0 Message-ID: <c2i1p2$pob$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote: > In article <c2hpjr$mtb$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: >  >>Daryl Jones wrote: >  > 
 >>>Second: >>>rG >>>What is being done to SUN by LINUX it is the same thing SUN has beenyH >>>doing to HP, IBM, Compaq, and others and vise versa. Take over a DataG >>>Center by initially cutting its prices and then later boosting them.w% >>>Business as usual in the IT world.c >>>s >> >>Provide examples if you can. >> >  > = > 	Really.  That claim is misleading.  I personally don't see.: > 	Linux getting a whole lot more expensive and Intel kit @ > 	has been stable or declining for years in price.  I seriouslyC > 	doubt HP boosts their Intel kit prices - Dell is always lurking!  >     B > http://www.forbes.com/technology/2004/03/03/cz_dl_0303linux.html > P > Same goes for Jorge Borbolla, chief information officer at AutoTradeCenter, anO > online auto wholesaler in Menlo Park, Calif.--Sun let him go without a fight. M > Borbolla just replaced all of his Sun computers with HP Intel-based serversaO > running Linux. "It was the money," Borbolla says. "The Linux systems were 40%b! > the cost of the Sun machines."   >   > SPARC boxes all include Solaris right to use licenses with the systems.  E HP x86 boxes don't include a commecrial Linux license and if you want E to run almost any kind of commercial app you have to buy a commercialy0 Linux release which ends up being mainly Redhat.  @ RedHat AS which is what most customers end up with costs between9 $1499 and $2499 per year so on a cheap HP you add anotheru $4.5-$7.5K.o  = This means that low end x86 boxes actually end up costing ~2xe the cost of a low end Sun.  : Of course if you only consider the hardware costs then the6 Sun's may be more expensive but then you have to run a8 community version of Linux and you cannot do that if you want supported commercial apps.n  > Of course if you are smart you add up the cost of the hardware ................. and the OS.s   regardsp Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 15:46:48 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>  Subject: Re: Sun On The Run?/ Message-ID: <Iz03c.384$oi.193@news.cpqcorp.net>s  K "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> ; wrote in message news:c2i1p2$pob$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...s > Rob Young wrote:J > > In article <c2hpjr$mtb$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK; Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:a > >d > >>Daryl Jones wrote: > >d > B > RedHat AS which is what most customers end up with costs between; > $1499 and $2499 per year so on a cheap HP you add another 
 > $4.5-$7.5K.  >c  L Here is a case where I agree with you (although you try to tie it to HP - itH is really a Linux on any HW issue).  That is, many people think Linux isB "free" - which is of course nonsense unless you are using it as anK individual hacker.  The majority of commercial users buy Linux from sourcesnH such as Red Hat -- go to their web site and you will see that they offerK their packaged versions of Linux as yearly subscription services that range ( from a few hundred dollars to 5 figures.  J So, Linux is "free" - it comes with your yearly support contract - which IE think will be the model you'll see the industry adopt to compete withoG Linux - low to non-existant up-front license, as part of a subscription- service agreement.   ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 19:04:48 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)? Subject: Re: The Inquirer:   HP re-thinking its IA-64 strategy?41 Message-ID: <newscache$bhz7uh$nn61$1@news.sil.at>e  f In article <734da31c.0403071028.d0aa712@posting.google.com>, icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson) writes:\ >JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<404A3036.93D2C721@istop.com>... >>  M >> Tru64 was considered to be technogically superior. The fact that HP had to O >> promise porting of many Tru64 features such as the file systems and clustingv, >> to the inferior HP-UX is a telling point. >h5 >HP-UX had a much larger market share. Easy decision.u  M Not in my eyes. If Tru64 had a growing market share and HP-UX had a declining I one, then there is some point in the future, where they meet. And if alsoiI HP-UX had a migration in front of it, then the declining of HP-UX is alsocG not likely to be reversed some months later. So it depends how far this/F "meetpoint" is in the future but opinions differed in this respect and> Kill-Alpha (and therefore Kill-Tru64) won (for other reasons).  M >Windows never really took off on Alpha, though Linux on Alpha was promising.c  E Because there is still no real need for 64bit Windows. But things areoF changing NOW and if Alpha would still be viable, then Windows on AlphaM would be there again NOW (though HAMMER would probably have killed it later).t   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERo% Network and OpenVMS system specialists E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 16:30:47 -0500t* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>? Subject: Re: The Inquirer:   HP re-thinking its IA-64 strategy?o) Message-ID: <404B9480.E338757C@istop.com>n   Bill Todd wrote:I > But since *total* Itanic sales are still, to be generous, sluggish, anduI > since HP accounts for something over 90% of that smallish total, Unisyst> > clearly isn't selling enough Itanic ES7000s to signify squat  M Remember that Digital was, at one point, the fastest growing PC manufacturer.oK It doubled its sales when it increased its sales from 1 to 2 at a time when ! others would only growing at 15%.n  I For HP, I think that the important metric is the ration of PARISC vs IA64t= systems being sold and how that ration is changing over time.n  I Another metric that would be interesting would be whether Alpha sales areoB growing or steady versus tanking. Generally, when you are near theJ introduction of new technology, sales of the older technology stop because9 customers decide to wait for ther new and improved stuff.   M If Alpha sales are continuing, it means that customers do not have confidencel6 in IA64 or couldn't be bothered with the port to IA64.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 04:06:18 -0500r* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>? Subject: Re: The Inquirer:   HP re-thinking its IA-64 strategy?i) Message-ID: <404C3769.3BC5FC64@istop.com>-    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:G > Because there is still no real need for 64bit Windows. But things areoH > changing NOW and if Alpha would still be viable, then Windows on AlphaO > would be there again NOW (though HAMMER would probably have killed it later).i  N Had Digital done its job right (marketing and pricing), there would be no need: for 64 bit 8086 because Alpha would have taken the throne.  M There were two big opportunities for this: The Win95 replacement frienzy (and>M introduction of NT) and the Y2K PC replacement frienzy. Alpha could have beenSJ positioned as the perfect replacement for fleets of PCs out there. And hadJ Digital done its job properly, Microsoft would have seen the potential forM Alpha and actively supported the platform instead of just releasing a versioni just to say it was released.  M Remember that at the time Alpha came out, Windows was still at 3.1, with babyo8 networking (novell file sharing, pracically no TCPIP).    H Remember where the 8086 got its 32 bit performance from. (Pentium 3  was "Inspired" from Alpha).t  L Heck, Alpha need not have been marketed as a 64 bit chip, it could have beenJ marketed as a better, faster chip for the wintel market. And Windows couldT have run in 32 bit mode on it, just like VMS initially wasn't fully 64 bit on Alpha.  K Had Palmer struck a differnt deal with Microsoft, it might be Gates lickingsN Palmer's derriere instead of the reverse. Imagine if Windows 95 had been NT toL begin with, running on Alpha, with a Macintosh like automatic 8086 emulation< that kicks in for each DLL/executable that is still in 8086.  N And Digital might have had to strike a deal with Intel to give intel the rightL to fab and market Alpha chips right from day 1. Intel would have never begunL to build a sinking ship IA64, and HP would have adopted Alpha, as would have AMD, Samsung and others.  N Perhaps all of this wasn't so obvious back then, but someone with vision mightJ have seen it coming. Palmer only saw and prepared/caused Digital's demise.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 12:58:15 +0000tO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>i? Subject: Re: The Inquirer:   HP re-thinking its IA-64 strategy?l0 Message-ID: <c2hql7$n6e$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote:X > In article <40495F50.9F454B0B@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > E >>IA64 isn't seen as winner on both technological and business sides.  >  > 2 > 	Depends who or what sources you read or ignore. >   > www.computerbusinessreview.com > P > "This is probably one reason why the uptake for Itanium-based ES7000s has beenO > stronger than Unisys expected. According to Mark Feverston, vice president ofoN > platform marketing for enterprise servers at Unisys, last year Itanium-basedH > ES7000s accounted for about 30% of sales, about twice what the company > expected." >   G Thats 30% of Unisys ES7000 sales (Itanium and Xeon). The ES7000 was thedE box that Compaq used to OEM before they dropped it because their unit & volumes never got into double figures.  4 30% of virtually nothing is still virtually nothing.  B When did Unisys ever get anthing other than Other in the Dataquest or IDC market numbers ?n   regardso Andrew Harrison2   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 20:00:56 GMTa% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> P Subject: Re: Two problems: qui$ external and procedure division using (external)? Message-ID: <XbL2c.9716$t16.5916589@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>   C > Do you have a solution or explanation for the following problems:   J What problems?   What follows are perfectly valid code samples.  It's hardG to help because you didn't tell us what problem you're having.  Are you G having trouble compiling, linking or running?  Are you getting an error  message or, unexpected results?   G If you want us to guess at your problem, my guess is that you're havinghL problems linking because you only brought over the COBOL code from your VAX.K Go back to the VAX, look at what these programs link against on the VAX and_J bring that Macro code over to the Alpha too.  That will be macro code that8 references $quidef to define your external qui$ symbols.  B I can't imagine what problem you're having calling lib$get_symbol.   >e? > 1) Procedure division can no longer use an external variable.s >    (implicitly defined). >o >        LINKAGE SECTION.p >t) >        COPY "COM$CPY:FUNCTION-INFO-SP".t >a >l0 >        PROCEDURE DIVISION USING FUNCTION-INFO. >> >        P0000-MAINLINE. >a( >            CALL "LIB$GET_SYMBOL" USING2 >                BY DESCRIPTOR "LSS_COMPANY_CODE",1 >                BY DESCRIPTOR FNCI-COMPANY-CODE,> >                OMITTED,> >                OMITTED,s" >                GIVING WS-STATUS. > F > 2) qui$_display_form (etc) can not be external defined within Cobol. >f' >    Do not understand this one at all.nF >    What is the error and what change was made, and more importantly, > how do we correct it?p >B6 > 01  QUI$_DISPLAY_FORM           PIC 9(09) COMP VALUE9 >                             EXTERNAL QUI$_DISPLAY_FORM.e6 > 01  QUI$_QUEUE_DESCRIPTION      PIC 9(09) COMP VALUE> >                             EXTERNAL QUI$_QUEUE_DESCRIPTION.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 14:33:33 GMTw" From: tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.comP Subject: Re: Two problems: qui$ external and procedure division using (external)8 Message-ID: <do0p40ttgj4eanv4si3rrkr4m1pnckbcid@4ax.com>  / As requested,  here is the exact error message.yA The "COPYLIB" in the linkage secion is actually only one variablee (element?)....  *        01  FNCI-FUNCTION-INFO IS EXTERNAL.              05 ......" .................................^D %COBOL-E-EXTERN, EXTERNAL clause ignored, valid only for named 01 orF 77 items in Working-Storage Section without REDEFINES at line number 5 in file       K >What problems?   What follows are perfectly valid code samples.  It's hardeH >to help because you didn't tell us what problem you're having.  Are youH >having trouble compiling, linking or running?  Are you getting an error  >message or, unexpected results?C >I can't imagine what problem you're having calling lib$get_symbol.a >i >>@ >> 1) Procedure division can no longer use an external variable. >>    (implicitly defined).- >> >>        LINKAGE SECTION. >>* >>        COPY "COM$CPY:FUNCTION-INFO-SP". >> >>1 >>        PROCEDURE DIVISION USING FUNCTION-INFO.C >> >>        P0000-MAINLINE.8 >>) >>            CALL "LIB$GET_SYMBOL" USINGe/ >>                BY DESCRIPTOR "COMPANY_CODE",s2 >>                BY DESCRIPTOR FNCI-COMPANY-CODE, >>                OMITTED, >>                OMITTED,# >>                GIVING WS-STATUS.v >>   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 15:57:34 +0000 (UTC)* From: fasten@hrs.com (0.35173664126615967)6 Subject: Urgent: 5000 Euro Reward (0.9327238639953833)1 Message-ID: <c2i55e$g0e$434@grizzly.ps.uni-sb.de>   ,       5000 Euro Belohnung / 5000 Euro Reward,       --------------------------------------> Ich biete eine Belohnung von 5000 Euro wenn mir jemand verraet> wie ein Streetgame (International Money Game) die Leute um den  Spieler herrum beeinflusst. 0.25211758518041205 B Ich stecke in genau diesem Unfug drin und irgendjemand manipuliertB alle Leute, denen ich begegne und Radio bzw. Fernsehprogramme, die ich beobachte.B I offer a reward of 5000 Euro if anybody tells me how a streetgameD (International Money Game) manipulates the people around the player.E I'm currently trapped in something like that and somebody manipulates ? everybody I meet and radio or TV programs I watch or listen to.t 0.4191523845679651< http://www.fastenrath.net/, http://slashdot.org/~fastenrath/ Bernhard Fastenrathe) Steinfelder Gasse 1, 50670 Koeln, Germany* fon: +49-173-5166326 fax: +49-69-133069766360 email: fasten@hrs.com    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 10:39:41 -0000* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>; Subject: Re: Why does smtp mail between local systems fail? , Message-ID: <c2hihd$17fe@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  b "Lawrence Bleau" <bleau@umtof.umd.edu> wrote in message news:c2atu0$9vt$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...   > $ tcptrace/port=local=53 >S > So, what do you make of it?*  K I deduce that I said local, when what I should have said was remote. Sorry.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Mar 2004 21:46:15 GMT* From: healyzh@aracnet.com2" Subject: Wierd 7.3-2 upgrade error, Message-ID: <c2g5770140c@enews1.newsguy.com>  J I'm in the process of upgrading my system from 7.2-1H1 to 7.3-2 (accordingI to the installation notes this is supported).  However, while running the04 install I've gotten a lot of the following messages:  I %PCSI-I-RETAIN, module OTS$STORE_U_3 was not replaced becuase module fromt" kit has a lower generation module.  I I think the errors were basically all for OTS$ files, is this something I  should worry about?a   			Zane    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 10:20:42 +0100 ' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> & Subject: Re: Wierd 7.3-2 upgrade error2 Message-ID: <404C3AEA.1080700@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>   healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:L > I'm in the process of upgrading my system from 7.2-1H1 to 7.3-2 (accordingK > to the installation notes this is supported).  However, while running the 6 > install I've gotten a lot of the following messages: > K > %PCSI-I-RETAIN, module OTS$STORE_U_3 was not replaced becuase module fromC$ > kit has a lower generation module. > K > I think the errors were basically all for OTS$ files, is this something I2 > should worry about?eE No you probable installed a patch to 7.2-1H1 which contained a newer PG version of the module. I normnally see several of such messages during - an upgrade.                       Jouko   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 08:24:08 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)& Subject: Re: Wierd 7.3-2 upgrade error$ Message-ID: <c2haj8$61f$1@online.de>  H In article <c2g5770140c@enews1.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com writes:  L > I'm in the process of upgrading my system from 7.2-1H1 to 7.3-2 (accordingK > to the installation notes this is supported).  However, while running the 6 > install I've gotten a lot of the following messages: > K > %PCSI-I-RETAIN, module OTS$STORE_U_3 was not replaced becuase module from*$ > kit has a lower generation module. > K > I think the errors were basically all for OTS$ files, is this something Ie > should worry about?   F I installed the new PCSI patch on 7.3-1 yesterday.  The release notes ? say that some of the files are newer than what is on the 7.3-2  H distribution, so that one will probably want to keep the files from the + patch rather than from the OS distribution.d  D My guess is that yo applied a patch to 7.2-1H1 which contained some = files which are newer than what is on the 7.3-2 distribution.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 15:39:17 GMTe3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)s& Subject: Re: Wierd 7.3-2 upgrade error/ Message-ID: <Fs03c.383$rc.172@news.cpqcorp.net>i  H In article <c2g5770140c@enews1.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com writes:K >I'm in the process of upgrading my system from 7.2-1H1 to 7.3-2 (accordingsJ >to the installation notes this is supported).  However, while running the5 >install I've gotten a lot of the following messages:7 >PJ >%PCSI-I-RETAIN, module OTS$STORE_U_3 was not replaced becuase module from# >kit has a lower generation module.* >*J >I think the errors were basically all for OTS$ files, is this something I >should worry about?  > What errors?  What you show above is an INFORMATIONAL message.  F As others have pointed out, this indicates that you have files on yourE system that are NEWER than the files in the OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 kit,nA most likely becasue of one or more patch kits you have installed.   H This is a normal function of the Polycenter Software Installation (PCSI)L utility.  It does NOT indicate anything to worry about.  Quite the contrary.E This is GOODNESS.  It means that becaue the PCSI utility has kept the 9 newer files, you do NOT need to re-install the patch kit.i   -- nJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 21:43:22 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> Subject: Re: Zip/update Issue 5 Message-ID: <404BEBDA.CFE19FA@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>S   Don Sykes wrote: >  > David J. Dachtera wrote: >  > > Don Sykes wrote: > >  > >>David J. Dachtera wrote: > >> > >>>[snip]C >  > <big snip> > , > >>> 4. ZIP/UPDATE MySEzip.exe vms_filespec > >i > >CK > > Since the archive(s) have the wrong record format, RMS will hose up theUK > > data while reading it. *THAT's why it's *GOTTA* be Fixed-512! *THIS* isu2 > > where NT "executability" is getting scrambled. > >=G > > To update the archive, ZIP has to read/copy it until it gets to theSH > > segment representing the file to be replaced, process the file to beK > > replaced, then read/copy the remainder of the source archive until EOF.mL > > If RMS sees the archive as STMLF, it will read records until <LF>, stripL > > the <LF> out (may be a portion of a machine instruction, an operand or aK > > byte of compressed data), and pass the remaining portion of each record7E > > to the program (ZIP). Thus, data is actually lost in the process.* > >  >  > That makes sense!eI > However..., I just ftp'd a single SEzip from NT to VMS and it showed up- > on VMS asoD >      Organization: SEQ   RecordFormat: FIX       RecordAttributes:- >      MaxRecordSize: 512  LongestRecord: 512  > * > which is what we want, right? Then did : > $ > $ zip/update EXPRESSBE.EXE AEX.KEYH > DKA100:[FASTRACK.ROOT.DOCS.AEX.TTEST]EXPRESSBE.EXE;1: found a preamble > of 31357 bytes > updating: AEX.KEY (stored 0%)M  D That *REALLY* bothers me... Your other notes indicate that this is a multi-layered problem.  H Try using ZIP/ADJUST as your first step, then ZIP/UPDATE (also, try just8 ZIP without /UPDATE since that is the default behavior).  E Beyond that, try writing to Hunter Goatley at Process Software if yout# get no reponse on the InfoZip list.s  $ This is quickly becoming a career...   -- ' David J. Dachterat dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/v   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 06:47:23 GMTa& From: Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com> Subject: Re: Zip/update Issueh< Message-ID: <%FU2c.7287$7e7.1096@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>   David J. Dachtera wrote: > Don Sykes wrote: >  >>David J. Dachtera wrote: >> >> >>>Don Sykes wrote:C >>>s >>>  >>>>David J. Dachtera wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>[snip]c >> >><big snip> >>+ >>>>>4. ZIP/UPDATE MySEzip.exe vms_filespech >>>p >>>hJ >>>Since the archive(s) have the wrong record format, RMS will hose up theJ >>>data while reading it. *THAT's why it's *GOTTA* be Fixed-512! *THIS* is1 >>>where NT "executability" is getting scrambled.T >>>mF >>>To update the archive, ZIP has to read/copy it until it gets to theG >>>segment representing the file to be replaced, process the file to beNJ >>>replaced, then read/copy the remainder of the source archive until EOF.K >>>If RMS sees the archive as STMLF, it will read records until <LF>, stripoK >>>the <LF> out (may be a portion of a machine instruction, an operand or aOJ >>>byte of compressed data), and pass the remaining portion of each recordD >>>to the program (ZIP). Thus, data is actually lost in the process. >>>  >> >>That makes sense! I >>However..., I just ftp'd a single SEzip from NT to VMS and it showed up- >>on VMS as D >>     Organization: SEQ   RecordFormat: FIX       RecordAttributes:- >>     MaxRecordSize: 512  LongestRecord: 512y >>* >>which is what we want, right? Then did : >>$ >>$ zip/update EXPRESSBE.EXE AEX.KEYH >>DKA100:[FASTRACK.ROOT.DOCS.AEX.TTEST]EXPRESSBE.EXE;1: found a preamble >>of 31357 bytes >>updating: AEX.KEY (stored 0%)f >  > F > That *REALLY* bothers me... Your other notes indicate that this is a > multi-layered problem.  F Sorry. Not sure I understand your meaning, but I really don't know if F this is a multi-layered problem or not. I'm just trying to get to the E root of the issue. Your previous post made me realize I shouldn't be  C transferring groups of SEzip files in yet another zip file. So I'm 0  trying to factor out that issue.   > J > Try using ZIP/ADJUST as your first step, then ZIP/UPDATE (also, try just: > ZIP without /UPDATE since that is the default behavior).  H Tried Zip/adjust before and after zip/update (with and without /update) + and nothing seems to improve the situation.i   > G > Beyond that, try writing to Hunter Goatley at Process Software if you:% > get no reponse on the InfoZip list.a > & > This is quickly becoming a career...  E Never meant this to be so drawn out. I gave up on this method over a 8I year ago, but sought to redress it now as I'm releasing a new version of c? my Java licensing product. I guess I'll have to resort to more  H complicated methods, like trying to start a process from VMS to tell NT @ to build a new SEzip on demand, then copy it back to VMS...yuck!  * Anyway, thanks for your patience and help.     --     Have VMS, Will Travel  Wire paladin, San Franciscoe   (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 10:27:09 +0000 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>e< Subject: Re: [OT] We've always know that Solaris is junk....0 Message-ID: <c2hhpt$k9b$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   John Smith wrote:sN > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1208&e=1&u=/ap/20040305/ap_/ > on_bi_ge/sun_micro_credit_rating&sid=95573649i >  >   > ...now Standard & Poors agrees >  >   9 What does a financial organisations rating of Sun have to29 do with Solaris's technical merits ??????????????????????T  8 Isn't this the kind of posting that any OpenVMS advocate0 would howl and scream about if I posted it ?????   regardsf Andrew Harrisoni) > S&P Downgrades Sun Microsystems to Junkr > 5:00pm ETu > M > NEW YORK - Standard & Poor's cut its credit rating on Sun Microsystems Inc.0E > two notches to double-B-plus, the top speculative, or junk, rating,I. > affecting about $1.3 billion of public debt. > F > The computer company hasn't "had investment-grade predictability andF > profitability in two-plus years," said S&P analyst Martha Toll-Reed.K > Management "has been slow to adapt to market changes since the downturn,"b3 > when the tech bubble burst in the spring of 2000.  > K > May Petry, a spokeswoman at Santa Clara, Calif.-based Sun Micro, said the I > company has a "strong financial foundation of $5.16 billion in cash andmM > marketable securities, which is over three times our outstanding debt." SheoL > said the company's cash position, coupled with its products and customers,9 > makes Sun Micro "well-positioned to achieve its goals."w > M > Toll-Reed didn't dispute its financial profile, but said the rating is more2& > a reflection of their business risk. > J > "The cash gives them flexibility without question," she said. "They haveH > good technology and a good product line-up. But they have a relativelyM > narrow revenue base, and market growth is in segments that are not to theirl! > historical strength," she said.t > * > S&P's outlook on Sun's rating is stable. > K > Fitch Ratings last month downgraded Sun Micro's senior unsecured debt oneo> > notch to triple-B-minus, its lowest investment grade rating. > L > Last September, Moody's Investors Service dropped the company to Baa3, itsH > lowest investment-grade rating, with a negative outlook - indicating aN > downgrade is likely within one and a half to two years. Sun Micro "is a workL > in progress with a lot of new product initiatives, and the question is howI > customers will respond," said Moody's senior analyst Paul Hsi. "Can Sun  > regain market share?"- > L > Shares of Sun Micro finished Friday at $4.80, down 36 cents, or 7 percent,- > on heavy volume on the Nasdaq Stock Market.  >  >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2004 08:53:41 -0800o. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)< Subject: Re: [OT] We've always know that Solaris is junk....= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0403080853.43ac954c@posting.google.com>a  r "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<pS62c.90457$sl.68165@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...N > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1208&e=1&u=/ap/20040305/ap_/ > on_bi_ge/sun_micro_credit_rating&sid=95573649e >  >   > ...now Standard & Poors agrees >  > ) > S&P Downgrades Sun Microsystems to Junkr > 5:00pm ETr > M > NEW YORK - Standard & Poor's cut its credit rating on Sun Microsystems Inc.mE > two notches to double-B-plus, the top speculative, or junk, rating,c. > affecting about $1.3 billion of public debt. > F > The computer company hasn't "had investment-grade predictability andF > profitability in two-plus years," said S&P analyst Martha Toll-Reed.K > Management "has been slow to adapt to market changes since the downturn," 3 > when the tech bubble burst in the spring of 2000.l    3 Lets see if Sun will be acquireb by IBM or Dell !   May be Fujitsu  ?    Regardsa   FC    K > May Petry, a spokeswoman at Santa Clara, Calif.-based Sun Micro, said theaI > company has a "strong financial foundation of $5.16 billion in cash and M > marketable securities, which is over three times our outstanding debt." She L > said the company's cash position, coupled with its products and customers,9 > makes Sun Micro "well-positioned to achieve its goals."s > M > Toll-Reed didn't dispute its financial profile, but said the rating is more & > a reflection of their business risk. > J > "The cash gives them flexibility without question," she said. "They haveH > good technology and a good product line-up. But they have a relativelyM > narrow revenue base, and market growth is in segments that are not to theirr! > historical strength," she said.' > * > S&P's outlook on Sun's rating is stable. > K > Fitch Ratings last month downgraded Sun Micro's senior unsecured debt onep> > notch to triple-B-minus, its lowest investment grade rating. > L > Last September, Moody's Investors Service dropped the company to Baa3, itsH > lowest investment-grade rating, with a negative outlook - indicating aN > downgrade is likely within one and a half to two years. Sun Micro "is a workL > in progress with a lot of new product initiatives, and the question is howI > customers will respond," said Moody's senior analyst Paul Hsi. "Can Sunr > regain market share?"  > L > Shares of Sun Micro finished Friday at $4.80, down 36 cents, or 7 percent,- > on heavy volume on the Nasdaq Stock Market.    ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 16:54:47 +0000 (UTC)- From: lewis@spyder.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)h< Subject: Re: [OT] We've always know that Solaris is junk..... Message-ID: <c2i8gn$l2v$2@newslocal.mitre.org>   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes in article <c2hhpt$k9b$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com> dated Mon, 08 Mar 2004 10:27:09 +0000:i >John Smith wrote:O >> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1208&e=1&u=/ap/20040305/ap_n0 >> on_bi_ge/sun_micro_credit_rating&sid=95573649 >> : >> a! >> ...now Standard & Poors agrees  >> W >> s >i: >What does a financial organisations rating of Sun have to: >do with Solaris's technical merits ?????????????????????? >e9 >Isn't this the kind of posting that any OpenVMS advocaten1 >would howl and scream about if I posted it ?????   9 Yes (but not too loudly since it's at least marked OT).  R  % Now stop feeding the trolls, Andrew. o  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2004 10:24:14 -0800l7 From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones)2< Subject: Re: [OT] We've always know that Solaris is junk....= Message-ID: <8a646952.0403081024.10e3f40a@posting.google.com>    Dear Andrew Harrison:   D What technical Merit? Not in regards to the company that had to stayF with Sybase because of their application and not hardware or OS. SinceD Sybase was in dire financial strait and had to dump VMS and 11 otherD OSs, the company had to make a choice between UNIXs and NT. Sun thenE came up on top amongst UNIXs. Clearly, SUN was second to VMS. VMS waso= replaced by SUN because of Sybase exclusion and not by merit!1   Regards, Daryl Jones      Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c2hhpt$k9b$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > John Smith wrote:iP > > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1208&e=1&u=/ap/20040305/ap_1 > > on_bi_ge/sun_micro_credit_rating&sid=95573649  > >  > > " > > ...now Standard & Poors agrees > >  > >  > ; > What does a financial organisations rating of Sun have toi; > do with Solaris's technical merits ??????????????????????t > : > Isn't this the kind of posting that any OpenVMS advocate2 > would howl and scream about if I posted it ????? > 	 > regardsw > Andrew Harrisont+ > > S&P Downgrades Sun Microsystems to Junk 
 > > 5:00pm ET  > > O > > NEW YORK - Standard & Poor's cut its credit rating on Sun Microsystems Inc.sG > > two notches to double-B-plus, the top speculative, or junk, rating,e0 > > affecting about $1.3 billion of public debt. > > H > > The computer company hasn't "had investment-grade predictability andH > > profitability in two-plus years," said S&P analyst Martha Toll-Reed.M > > Management "has been slow to adapt to market changes since the downturn,"n5 > > when the tech bubble burst in the spring of 2000.o > > M > > May Petry, a spokeswoman at Santa Clara, Calif.-based Sun Micro, said the K > > company has a "strong financial foundation of $5.16 billion in cash andaO > > marketable securities, which is over three times our outstanding debt." ShesN > > said the company's cash position, coupled with its products and customers,; > > makes Sun Micro "well-positioned to achieve its goals."l > > O > > Toll-Reed didn't dispute its financial profile, but said the rating is morer( > > a reflection of their business risk. > > L > > "The cash gives them flexibility without question," she said. "They haveJ > > good technology and a good product line-up. But they have a relativelyO > > narrow revenue base, and market growth is in segments that are not to theirn# > > historical strength," she said.  > > , > > S&P's outlook on Sun's rating is stable. > > M > > Fitch Ratings last month downgraded Sun Micro's senior unsecured debt onei@ > > notch to triple-B-minus, its lowest investment grade rating. > > N > > Last September, Moody's Investors Service dropped the company to Baa3, itsJ > > lowest investment-grade rating, with a negative outlook - indicating aP > > downgrade is likely within one and a half to two years. Sun Micro "is a workN > > in progress with a lot of new product initiatives, and the question is howK > > customers will respond," said Moody's senior analyst Paul Hsi. "Can Sunu > > regain market share?"  > > N > > Shares of Sun Micro finished Friday at $4.80, down 36 cents, or 7 percent,/ > > on heavy volume on the Nasdaq Stock Market.h > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >s   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 15:30:26 GMTe# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>m) Subject: [OT]: Does Charon do DECwindows?aI Message-ID: <mk03c.143835$sl.133624@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>u  C I've got a customer running an older app of ours on a VS4000 seriesaI workstation. They have multiple DECterm windows open while using the app.a3 They instantiate multiple sessions via $ set host 0t  I Will Charon permit them to do the same on std. PC hardware? Are there any3 limitations to this?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 09:22:32 -0700n+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>1- Subject: Re: [OT]: Does Charon do DECwindows? ' Message-ID: <404C9DC8.1050000@MMaz.com>k   John Smith wrote:r  D >I've got a customer running an older app of ours on a VS4000 seriesJ >workstation. They have multiple DECterm windows open while using the app.4 >They instantiate multiple sessions via $ set host 0 >eJ >Will Charon permit them to do the same on std. PC hardware? Are there any >limitations to this?a >  g >oG If you are asking if the server on which CHARON is running can also be  I an X-Windows Server, say running something like Hummingbird, well yes it  H can do that but I would not recommend it as any software running on the J server, in addition to CHARON, can impact CHARON's emulation performance.   H If you are asking, can you run X-Windows clients on the VMS system that I is running on top of CHARON, then yes. If you have the software, be that uC DECwindows or something else and if would run on any other VAX/VMS h server, you are ok.   H However, if you desire to actually run the VMS native X-Windows Server, I you are asking too much because remember, CHARON is a MV3100, not VS3100 -	 emulator.-     Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        t   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 22:22:15 GMTD0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>$ Subject: Re: [TCPIP V5.4] More rants= Message-ID: <rgN2c.92129$Wa.72177@news-server.bigpond.net.au>b  J Please submit a problem report on that.  Of course, a lot more detail willI be needed.  Future versions of TCP/IP will only have the scalable kernel.H   Matt.  -- n= -------------------------------------------------------------i OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Companyn Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAs= -------------------------------------------------------------     ; "Jack Trachtman" <Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org> wrote in messages6 news:69d784c4.0403061659.8b5b4ec@posting.google.com...G > We run BMC PATROL here and just discovered that the VMS agent doesn'tiE > work with the Scalable Kernal. (Today I got a chance to reboot withrE > the SK disabled and the PATROL agent started and connected with theA > PATROL server.)c   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.135 ************************