1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 09 Mar 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 136       Contents: AlphaServer 300 , Re: Are RZ29B and RZ28D supposed to be LOUD?( Are RZ29B and RZ28D supposed to be LOUD?, Re: Are RZ29B and RZ28D supposed to be LOUD?' Re: Check out these new VT flat panels! ( Re: DCL Tip: getting NBS time (sortable)  Re: dismounting a spooled device Re: DVD writer on ES40 Fortran 9x for VAX?  Re: Intel releases 64bit Xeon : Re: It is almost certain now, INTEL will have 64bit x86 !!: Re: It is almost certain now, INTEL will have 64bit x86 !!: Re: It is almost certain now, INTEL will have 64bit x86 !! mailbox . Multiple ASTs for a Lock in a single process ? Re: Non-blocking connect# Re: Not meaning to feed Andrew..... G Re: OpenVMS virus proof while other disks get zapped by latest viruses! D Re: Professional Agitator - Harrison, Andrew. Confimed on sun.com!!!D Re: Professional Agitator - Harrison, Andrew. Confimed on sun.com!!!D Re: Professional Agitator - Harrison, Andrew. Confimed on sun.com!!!D Re: Professional Agitator - Harrison, Andrew. Confimed on sun.com!!!& Re: SAMBA & Advanced Server - coexist?/ Re: Strange Device name...Anybody have ideas??? / Re: Strange Device name...Anybody have ideas??? / Re: Strange Device name...Anybody have ideas???  Re: Sun On The Run?  Re: Sun On The Run?  Re: Sun On The Run?  Re: Sun On The Run?  Re: Sun On The Run?  Re: Sun On The Run?  Re: Sun On The Run? 6 Re: The Inquirer:   HP re-thinking its IA-64 strategy?6 Re: The Inquirer:   HP re-thinking its IA-64 strategy?6 Re: The Inquirer:   HP re-thinking its IA-64 strategy?6 Re: The Inquirer:   HP re-thinking its IA-64 strategy?G Re: Two problems: qui$ external and procedure division using (external) 5 Re: User-written system service, how to protect data? , VMS to InfoPrint 40 printer via LPD and DCPS0 Re: VMS to InfoPrint 40 printer via LPD and DCPS Re: Zip/update Issue3 Re: [OT] We've always know that Solaris is junk.... $ Re: [OT]: Does Charon do DECwindows?$ Re: [OT]: Does Charon do DECwindows?$ Re: [OT]: Does Charon do DECwindows?$ Re: [OT]: Does Charon do DECwindows?$ Re: [OT]: Does Charon do DECwindows?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 18:48:07 +0100 7 From: Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl>  Subject: AlphaServer 300/ Message-ID: <c2ibkn$cb5$1@bozon2.softax.com.pl>    Hi all,   I I can get for free AlphaServer300 (two disks, graphics, memory - 256MB?,   CD, floppy).7 Not very good condition, but owner say it should works. E I'd like to use it home, but I'm not sure is that good idea to spend  	 some time G revitalizing this one. There is VMS license. Is it possible to install   VMS 7.3-x on it?   Robert   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:14:02 +0000 (UTC)% From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> 5 Subject: Re: Are RZ29B and RZ28D supposed to be LOUD? 6 Message-ID: <slrnc4phfj.rab.usenet@gaia.roc2.gblx.net>  ^ In article <1078771184.415794@news.liwest.at>, Ralph Aichinger <ralph@dolphy.pangea.at> wrote:0 > I know, this is not a strict VMS question, but3 > I think there might be knowledgeable people here:  > 2 > I just got an AlphaStation 255 with 2 disks and 3 > a CD-Rom. It is unbelievably loud. It sounds like 0 > a dentist's drill as soon as the disks spin up5 > (or I suppose it is the disks giving these noises).   C I've never heard hard drives so I don't know the definitive answer, I although if it also *vibrates* (internally) like putting your hands on an I huge subwoofer, then it'd probably be due to a failed ball bearing (which H often means the drive is expiring and needs immediate replacement). I'veE had a few drives over the years that failed in this way. Not a common  failure mode, but does happen.  K If it's just loud but no associated vibration when you put your hand on the D drive (exterior, of course) surface, then it's probably 'just loud'.   -Dan   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:09:05 +0000 (UTC). From: Ralph Aichinger <ralph@dolphy.pangea.at>1 Subject: Are RZ29B and RZ28D supposed to be LOUD? . Message-ID: <1078771184.415794@news.liwest.at>  . I know, this is not a strict VMS question, but1 I think there might be knowledgeable people here:   0 I just got an AlphaStation 255 with 2 disks and 1 a CD-Rom. It is unbelievably loud. It sounds like . a dentist's drill as soon as the disks spin up3 (or I suppose it is the disks giving these noises).   0 When I switch it of, I hear a slow spinning down/ (so I think it can't be a fan, that would stop   almost instantly IMHO).   / Is this normal for RZ29B and RZ28D disks (there 0 is Linux on this machine and these are the names/ i get in "dmesg")? Or are they possibly broken?   1 These disks are 2GB SCSI or something like this.    1 As loud as it is now, this machine may be used as / a server in some rack, but for use on a desk it 1 is simply unbearably loud (unless you play *very*  loud music all day I suppose).  2 Any comments appreciated! Nice machine otherwise, " maybe a bit large for a "desktop".   /ralph   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 15:41:12 -0500 * From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>5 Subject: Re: Are RZ29B and RZ28D supposed to be LOUD? 9 Message-ID: <1S43c.28900$JN2.9157@bignews4.bellsouth.net>    Dan Foster wrote:   ` > In article <1078771184.415794@news.liwest.at>, Ralph Aichinger <ralph@dolphy.pangea.at> wrote: > 0 >>I know, this is not a strict VMS question, but3 >>I think there might be knowledgeable people here:  >>2 >>I just got an AlphaStation 255 with 2 disks and 3 >>a CD-Rom. It is unbelievably loud. It sounds like 0 >>a dentist's drill as soon as the disks spin up5 >>(or I suppose it is the disks giving these noises).  >  > E > I've never heard hard drives so I don't know the definitive answer, K > although if it also *vibrates* (internally) like putting your hands on an K > huge subwoofer, then it'd probably be due to a failed ball bearing (which J > often means the drive is expiring and needs immediate replacement). I'veG > had a few drives over the years that failed in this way. Not a common   > failure mode, but does happen. > M > If it's just loud but no associated vibration when you put your hand on the F > drive (exterior, of course) surface, then it's probably 'just loud'.    K I've got several RZ28s and a single RZ29 on a MicroVAX 3100m90 system here  M at home, and they are all very loud in the home environment.  Now, when they  M were in StorageWorks SBB containers in a BA350 shelf in the datacenter, they  F were perceived as being relatively noiseless.  But, stripped of their G containers and used in a location with relatively low background noise  ; levels, they do make a lot of noise while they are running.      --   Chuck Chopp   8 ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com1                                    ICQ # 22321532 @ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax4 Greer, SC  29651                  800 774 0718 pagerC                                    8007740718 (at) skytel (dot) com   , Do not send me unsolicited commercial email.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2004 14:25:25 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 0 Subject: Re: Check out these new VT flat panels!3 Message-ID: <TqFNYgx3N+IS@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <lC_2c.143130$sl.19953@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > J > I hear the swampland in Florida is just great, and I can get you a great > deal on some. Interested?       IRCC the mouse ate it all.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 21:46:10 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>1 Subject: Re: DCL Tip: getting NBS time (sortable) 6 Message-ID: <404D3E02.7A25C22A@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Phaeton wrote: > ) > Jan-Erik S?derholm <aaa@aaa.com> wrote:  > > JF Mezei wrote:  > >  > >> $   systime = f$time() $ > >> $   systime = f$cvtime(systime)> > >> $   systime = systime - "-" - "-" - "-" - ":" - ":" - "."? > >> $   systime = "''f$edit(systime, "TRIM,UPCASE,COLLAPSE")'"  > >> $!  > >  > > Or a little shorter :  > >  > > $   systime = f$cvtime()= > > $   systime = systime - "-" - "-" - "-" - ":" - ":" - "." > > > $   systime = "''f$edit(systime, "TRIM,UPCASE,COLLAPSE")'" > > Q > >> (and on An allmighty Microvax II, it also garantees a unique file name since S > >> it takes more than a millisecond to execute, so the next time around, the time % > >> is garanteed to be different :-)  > > 7 > > Have to be "more then 10 ms", to be unique, right ?  >  >         Or even shorter :  > O >         systime = "''f$edit(f$cvtime(),"TRIM,COLLAPSE")'"-"-"-"-"-":"-":"-"."    ...or shorter still:  9 $ systime = f$cvtime()- "-" - "-" - " " - ":" - ":" - "."    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 01:29:53 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>) Subject: Re: dismounting a spooled device - Message-ID: <8765dfl01a.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   . "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl> writes:   > Wouldn't this help:    > $ show dev dja0:/files  # That is the drive code for an RA60!    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 20:14:00 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)  Subject: Re: DVD writer on ES40 / Message-ID: <cu43c.430$xC.150@news.cpqcorp.net>   . In article <4045ab67$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>, %   vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de "  (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) writes:  G :In article <AP51c.31$ev1.23@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoffman@hp.nospam (Hoff  :Hoffman) writes: H :>  I've code working with a HP DVDwriter 200 series, writing DVD+RW andI :>  CD-R media on an AlphaStation XP1000 running OpenVMS V7.3-2 -- use of C :>  the SCSI format unit command does require a change to DQDRIVER, F :>  however ... If you want to pursue this change, take a look at the C :>  version of DQDRIVER on the Freeware, and look for the table of  G :>  commands and inbound/outbound directions -- you'll need to add the  ? :>  format unit command code into the driver source code table.        :Maybe it's easier!  : ; :Here is a log of dvdwrite run with an unmodified dqdriver:     @   And then again, maybe not.  (I can only assume you posted your@   reply before you looked at the cited section of DQDRIVER -- do   take a look at that code.)    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2004 14:43:08 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Fortran 9x for VAX?3 Message-ID: <azadUEljuJwR@eisner.encompasserve.org>   C    I thought I remembered an option for Fortran 9x on a VAX running F    VMS.  I can only find the SPD for Fortran 77.  Maybe I got it mixed    up with HPO.   G    Anyone know if there is a Fortran 9x compiler for VAXen running VMS?    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 19:38:39 GMT & From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>& Subject: Re: Intel releases 64bit Xeon/ Message-ID: <3Z33c.417$Lv.129@news.cpqcorp.net>   P Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: > Rick Jones wrote: F >> And just how many I/O slots did Sun use on their V20z SPECweb99_SSL0 >> benchmark?-) Or on SPECint for that matter :)  D > None but then as you know perfectly well Web serving is not likely/ > to be an area where PCI expansion is required   E Modulo the add-on PCI hardware crypto cards used in Sun's SPARC-based  SSL benchmarks :)   
 rick jones  B And btw, speaking of PCI cards going back and looking again at the> hsPCI description, I do see where I missed that there were twoC controllers on each I/O board and so each bus was single-slot.  So, E instead of getting 12.3 GB/s on that table scan out of what I thought C was a 13.5 GB limit (90+%), it was 12.3 out of the 27 GB (not quite  50%).    --  . a wide gulf separates "what if" from "if only"F these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 16:53:43 +0000 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> C Subject: Re: It is almost certain now, INTEL will have 64bit x86 !! 0 Message-ID: <c2i8eo$s38$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rudolf Wingert wrote:  > Hello, >=20G > The trick of Andrew is to compare a lot of Sun modells with one Alpha  > Modell. Also is the reference J > http://www.sun.com/products-n-solutions/hardware/docs/pdf/805-7362-12.p= d H > f not a description of the E4900. Andrew, do you think that every slot# > is a bus? If I have a look at the     9 The 4800 and the 4900 currently have the same I/O system.   J > http://www.sun.com/servers/highend/sunfire_e25k/specs.xml I will see th= e H > word slots not busses!! Here a copy of the sentence at the WEBsite: UpJ > to 72 hot-swappable PCI+ I/O slots: 54 slots are 66 MHz; 18 slots are 3= 3 H > MHz; supports 10/100 Base-T Ethernet, Gigabit Ethernet, UltraSCSI (LVDJ > and HVD), ATM, FC-AL, and HiPPI. Andrew can you see here the word bus? = I  > can=B4t see it.  >=20  C Each slot has its own bus. This is the PDF for the F15K it contains B details of the older hsPCI I/O expansion unit as you will see eachA hsPCI expansion card has 2 PCI controllers each with 2 PCI busses  one at 33 and one at 33/66Mhz.  < The hsPCI+ expansion unit in the 20/25K is an upgrade to the hsPCI card.    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 19:23:31 GMT & From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>C Subject: Re: It is almost certain now, INTEL will have 64bit x86 !! / Message-ID: <TK33c.415$Lv.253@news.cpqcorp.net>   P Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: > Rick Jones wrote: F >>>HP claim that the bisectional bandwidth of the SuperDome is 64 GB/s >>  E >> I presume you are refering to the peak crossbar bandwidth from the  >> likes of: >>  W >> http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/superdome_high_end/specifications.html  >>    I > Yes HP claim 64 GB/s for both the Integrity SuperDome and the SuperDome E > 64. However the maximum non MPI STREAMS benchmark result is 30 GB/s  > under half the claimed peak.  8 Where at that URL does it claim a bisectional bandwidth?  D >> ?  You have this distressing habit of not citing references... :)  B > I assumed that you knew you products and therefore didn't need aD > URL, sorry I will remember to provide you with them in the future.  D As I've said several times before, it is for those (still willing to be) watching our discourse.    rick --  = denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance, rebirth... C                                      where do you want to be today? F these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 19:25:26 GMT & From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>C Subject: Re: It is almost certain now, INTEL will have 64bit x86 !! / Message-ID: <GM33c.416$Lv.188@news.cpqcorp.net>   P Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:D > Sorry but I am not comparing the 8400 with the F15K, Rick Jones is > (read the thread).  @ I was more interested in the point about pots and kettles than aF compare of the 8400 to the E15K.  You still haven't selected which you
 wish to be :)    rick --  G oxymoron n, Hummer H2 with California Save Our Coasts and Oceans plates F these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2004 20:38:57 -0800 1 From: usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer)  Subject: mailbox= Message-ID: <477e0934.0403082038.3e074e5c@posting.google.com>   B I am using a mailbox to pipe the output of a subprocess back to myE program.  I do this by creating a temporary mailbox, and passing that D mailbox to lib$spawn for it to use for its output.  I then read from
 that mailbox.   B The problem that I am having is that I can not tell the differenceC between when the subprocess outputs data with a newline, or when it C simply flushes the output stream.  The mailbox seems to be removing ; the newline character that was placed in by the subprocess.   E When my main program reads the data from the mailbox, it doesn't know B whether the subprocess printed a full line of text, or whether the/ subprocess simply flushed the output to stdout.   F Is there a way to have the mailbox not do any translation of the data,= and simply pass through the data, raw?  In other words, if my C subprocess sends "HELLO\n" to stdout, I'd like to read in "HELLO\n" C from the mailbox.  I'd like to be able to distinguish that from the = subprocess simply printing "HELLO" and then fflushing stdout.    Any suggestions?   Thanks,   
 joshua lehrer  FactSet Research Systems NYSE:FDS   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 16:05:58 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>7 Subject: Multiple ASTs for a Lock in a single process ? ) Message-ID: <404CE030.2E5A8819@istop.com>   J Ok, I have ALL-IN-1 do LIB$FDIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL against a shareable image ofI mine, then executes a routine inside that image. 99% of the time is spent M inside my routine (for instance, when waiting for calls from the web server).   N ALL-IN-1 takes a lock called OA$_SHUTDOWN with a blocking AST. (see details of? that lock at bottom of this post). Its only "Flag" is "SYSTEM".   L I have tested this yesterday. When the shutdown comes into effect, a user A1M process doesn't exit until the user enters the next command. So it would seem J that the blocking AST only sets a flag. There is a DCL procedure that alsoM runs which will do a rather blunt STOP/ID on any process still running Allin1 F after 2 minutes (does a show dev/files/nosys and then searches for all4 processes with a channel to a specific allin1 file).  N Back to my problem: Is there a way for my routine to also be notified when theL system manager notifies processes of the A1 shutdown ? Can one take the same  lock twice in the same process ?M Or would the only way be to have my routine cancel the lock taken by All-IN-1 N and reissue it with the blocking AST pointing to my own code (which would thenF call the AST that had been specified by A1 after doing my own stuff) ?  K My concern is that when the shutdown is done during iddle time, no commands L would be sent by my routine to ALL-In-1, so ALL-In-1 woudln't exit by itselfK and thus be unceremoniously killed. What I want is to have DCL code look at E the exit status and determine is it is just a temporary shutdown or a G requested shutdwon (with temprary shutdown, the DCL could wait a couple ) minutes and then try to restart the app).     * Here is what SDA tells me about the lock :  7 Process index: 0057   Name: A1   Extended PID: 20400557 7 ------------------------------------------------------- 
 Lock data:  8 Lock id:  0E00077C   PID:     000A0057   Flags:   SYSTEM& Par. id:  00000000   SUBLCKs:        0& LKB:      80C5A000   BLKAST:  000B260A PRIORTY:      0000  & Granted at      CR   00000000-FFFFFFFF  5 Resource:      54554853 5F24414F    OA$_SHUT  Status: ,  Length   13   0000004E 574F445F    _DOWN...,  User mode     00000000 00000000    ........,  System        00000000 00000000    ........  
 Local copy   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2004 14:36:04 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ! Subject: Re: Non-blocking connect 3 Message-ID: <cgnt8mB7KWTE@eisner.encompasserve.org>   l In article <8a3b834.0403080829.37dc5365@posting.google.com>, bhushann@hotmail.com (Bhushan Narkhede) writes:B > Immediately after issuing the non-blocking call we can check theG > errno. But if down in the code, say after 100 lines, we need to chech H > if the connect() is complete/failed or still in progress, how do we do > this on VMS 7.x OS.  > ( > I am not aware of this on unix either.  A    In the general habit of eunichs, if you can do it then it must C    be via select().  Since this is a socket you can use select() on     VMS, too.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 15:04:27 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>, Subject: Re: Not meaning to feed Andrew.....) Message-ID: <404CD1C9.BE969C25@istop.com>    "Main, Kerry" wrote:J > Tru64 UNIX continues to be actively sold and supported. It will continueI > to be supported until at least 2011 (that's all the lawyers would agree + > to, but VAX's are still supported today).   F I think you have a very liberal use of the expression "actively sold".   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2004 23:28:07 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)P Subject: Re: OpenVMS virus proof while other disks get zapped by latest viruses!: Message-ID: <c2ivi7$1uhken$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>  0 In article <c2hpmp$mtb$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>,R 	Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > G > Ahhhhhhhhemmmmm so what hosts the Windows Browser Bob ??????????????? E > Could the Windows Browser be running on something running "Windows"  > perhaps ???????????????    C That was my point.  But apparently people here think "thin clients" A somehow run Windows apps without having Windows anywhere in their - enterprise. It must all be smoke and mirrors.    bill     --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2004 11:10:21 -0800 . From: alexdaniels@themail.co.uk (Alex Daniels)M Subject: Re: Professional Agitator - Harrison, Andrew. Confimed on sun.com!!! = Message-ID: <9f7f13a8.0403081110.64bf116c@posting.google.com>    Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew No.Harrison No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c2hhka$k9b$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > Alex Daniels wrote: " > >>From: Dr. Dweeb (dr@dweeb.com) > >>
 > > <SNIP> > >  > >>>Third:  > >>> 7 > >>>What does Andrew Harrison have to do with OpenVMS?  > >>>  > >>" > >>Why, I thought everyone knew?! > >>E > >>Andrew is Sun s official, highly paid, professional agitator.  He  > >  > > provides > >  > >>sport <SNIP> > >  > > H > > I think the comment about him being a professional agitator could be/ > > more acurate than you suspect. Check out...  > > C > > http://www.sun.com/partners/tmo/erpsc/pdf/Vert Hor Com Arch.pdf F > > http://www.sun.com/datacenter/superg/docs/Atwood SUPerG Berlin.pdf > > J > > These documents seem to indicate Andy has produced a 'RAC calculator',H > > this program apprently "calculates" the relative cost buying sun kitI > > against other platforms for certain applications. Supposedly the user H > > can input the make/model etc of another platform and it "calculates"  > > instantly why sun is better. > > G > > The documents go on to show a case study that compares sun to dell.  > >  > D > The Documents which I didn't write go on to compare Sun with Dell. >   2 Neither I, or anyone else said you did write them.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2004 11:29:20 -0800 ' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson) M Subject: Re: Professional Agitator - Harrison, Andrew. Confimed on sun.com!!! = Message-ID: <734da31c.0403081129.2d719a15@posting.google.com>    Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew No.Harrison No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c2hh8a$k53$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > David Svensson wrote: K > > GreyCloud <mist@Cumulus.com> wrote in message news:<XUm2c.726$Wc4.1392@  >  bcandid.telisphere.com>...  > >  > >>Alex Daniels wrote:  > >> > >>$ > >>>>From: Dr. Dweeb (dr@dweeb.com) > >>>> > >>>  > >>><SNIP>  > >>> 
 > >>>>>Third:  > >>>>> 9 > >>>>>What does Andrew Harrison have to do with OpenVMS?  > >>>>>  > >>>>$ > >>>>Why, I thought everyone knew?! > >>>>G > >>>>Andrew is Sun s official, highly paid, professional agitator.  He  > >>> 
 > >>>provides  > >>>  > >>>  > >>>>sport <SNIP> > >>>  > >>> I > >>>I think the comment about him being a professional agitator could be 0 > >>>more acurate than you suspect. Check out... > >>> D > >>>http://www.sun.com/partners/tmo/erpsc/pdf/Vert Hor Com Arch.pdfG > >>>http://www.sun.com/datacenter/superg/docs/Atwood SUPerG Berlin.pdf  > >>> K > >>>These documents seem to indicate Andy has produced a 'RAC calculator',  >   I > >>>this program apprently "calculates" the relative cost buying sun kit J > >>>against other platforms for certain applications. Supposedly the userI > >>>can input the make/model etc of another platform and it "calculates" ! > >>>instantly why sun is better.  > >>> H > >>>The documents go on to show a case study that compares sun to dell. > >>> K > >>>If anyone has a copy of this, let me know, I'm allways interested in a  >    > >>>good laugh. > >>> 	 > >>>Alex  > >>K > >>Well, it is rather obvious that a Sun rep. would troll a VMS news group  >  .  K > >>By injecting biased comments into a vms newsgroup he can show potential  >   K > >>customers that are thinking of OpenVMS as a solution to look into this   >   G > >>newsgroup for the various problems that crop up.  But then one can  K > >>always go into a Solaris newsgroup and find that they too have many and  >    > >>various problems.  > >  > > I > > If Sun must take customers from VMS then Sun must be in real trouble. H > > Perhaps Andrew know that the situation within Sun is even worse thanD > > what the public know. I would have some kind of understanding ofJ > > Andrew if Sun had the market share similar to VMS and VMS was a marketH > > leader, but he is insisting on kicking on someone lying down which I > > find disgusting. > >  > > > If you can find a single instance of me kicking OpenVMS then > feel free to publish it. >   E I find many posts where you favor Sun and exaggarate on things around  HP and/or VMS.  : > Remember the reason why I got involved in this newsgroup7 > was not to kick someone who was lying down but was to 6 > refute a series of what turned out to lies that were > being spread about Sun.   F In a group as this (a VMS group) I don't find it that astonishing thatF some people post funny and sometimes negative messages about competingF hardware and operating systems. That is normal, and I find it childish8 to react to it like you do. Those who still use VMS needA encouragement, not a bully person setting them straight. I cannot = understand how you can take posts from Bob Ceculski seriosly.    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2004 17:11:54 -0800 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)M Subject: Re: Professional Agitator - Harrison, Andrew. Confimed on sun.com!!! < Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0403081711.be8c46d@posting.google.com>  [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<404CD136.84C8780A@istop.com>...  > David Svensson wrote: < > > to react to it like you do. Those who still use VMS needE > > encouragement, not a bully person setting them straight. I cannot A > > understand how you can take posts from Bob Ceculski seriosly.  > N > Hey, don't blast Bob.  While his posts are overly enthousiastic, he seems to+ > be defending VMS, not HP's bad decisions.  > F > Imagine how Bob's high energy would work if he were in charge of VMSK > marketing. OK, so he would need to be corrected on a few items (there are N > patches for VMS, and there have been plenty of security patches too), but heM > is not one to defend the bad political decisions from HP/Compaq. This is in K > sharp contrast with the other foes of Mr harisson who are on a mission to P > defend every decision HP makes. Some even have defended the lack of marketing.  1 imagine where VMS would be if Bob owned it ... :)    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 15:02:00 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>M Subject: Re: Professional Agitator - Harrison, Andrew. Confimed on sun.com!!! ) Message-ID: <404CD136.84C8780A@istop.com>    David Svensson wrote: : > to react to it like you do. Those who still use VMS needC > encouragement, not a bully person setting them straight. I cannot ? > understand how you can take posts from Bob Ceculski seriosly.   L Hey, don't blast Bob.  While his posts are overly enthousiastic, he seems to) be defending VMS, not HP's bad decisions.   D Imagine how Bob's high energy would work if he were in charge of VMSI marketing. OK, so he would need to be corrected on a few items (there are L patches for VMS, and there have been plenty of security patches too), but heK is not one to defend the bad political decisions from HP/Compaq. This is in I sharp contrast with the other foes of Mr harisson who are on a mission to N defend every decision HP makes. Some even have defended the lack of marketing.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 15:38:32 -0500 # From: sol gongola <sol@adldata.com> / Subject: Re: SAMBA & Advanced Server - coexist? + Message-ID: <404CD9C8.92ED2FAC@adldata.com>    John Brandon wrote:  > ? > Can SAMBA and Advanced Server coexist on the same VMS server?  > H > Anyone using SAMBA with VMS V7.3 ?  Do you like it?  Problems with it? >  > TIA! >  > J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  > VMS Systems Administrator , > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com  C They can coexist if pathworks (advanced server) shares files using  7 decnet/netbeui and lets Samba handle shring via TCP/IP.    Sol Gongola  ADL Data Systems Inc   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 19:45:14 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> 8 Subject: Re: Strange Device name...Anybody have ideas???/ Message-ID: <e343c.422$aA.157@news.cpqcorp.net>   K It comes with the right version of the OS.  I believe that it is in V7.3-2, I and in a update patch to V7.3-1.  The KB and Mouse are the only supported I things (for the EV7 systems).  As Forrest pointed out - you can also find & some unsupported ones on the freeware.    : "PhilThayer" <phillip_thayer@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:5ee1d1b7.0403081043.7d4e8469@posting.google.com... F > "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message) news:<vB03c.385$y8.8@news.cpqcorp.net>... & > > Indeed this is the USB controller. > > : > > "Roland Barmettler" <itsme@127.0.0.1> wrote in message3 > > news:20040308153850.13262b3c.itsme@127.0.0.1... 
 > > > Hi Phil  > > >  > > > > SYS$OHCIDRIVER.EXE > > > K > > > OHCI looks like an USB controller to me... does the system have USB ?  > > >  > > > Cheers, Roland > > >  > > > -- > > > 3rd Law of Computing: % > > >         Anything that can go wr & > > > Segmentation fault (core dumped) >  > F > Yup.  It does have USB.  Where do I find the driver for this device?G > Also, based on the discussion in one of the other threads, what can I # > use it for?  Just curious is all.  >  > PT   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 20:53:12 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>8 Subject: Re: Strange Device name...Anybody have ideas???2 Message-ID: <404ccf28$0$283$636a15ce@news.free.fr>   PhilThayer wrote:    > What is "OHA0"?   1 The Rangers motto in the movie "Blackhawk down" ?    :-)    D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 20:49:12 GMT / From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) 8 Subject: Re: Strange Device name...Anybody have ideas???- Message-ID: <A9nw2fNtVmOP@cuebid.zko.dec.com>   , JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > PhilThayer wrote: 5 >> %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node AMAZONn [..]: >> %IOGEN-E-LOADERR, error configuring device OHA0, driver >> SYS$OHCIDRIVER.EXE  >> -RMS-E-FNF, file not found  > P > It is an undocumented feature for VMS engineers that should have never made itK > to public distribution. It is a virtual reality device driver depicting a O > Hawaii beach so that during new england's long, cold dark and dreary winters,8> > the engineers can take 15 minute breaks on a hawaiian beach.  O On the other hand, some of us (admittedly, very few) think that our winters areTL not long enough!  I get a bit of reverse seasonal-affected disorder, in thatJ I get a bit depressed when it starts getting lighter later, signalling the end of winter.  I At least I get to tap maple trees and make maple syrup for about a month.    -- i  M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.como   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2004 11:02:49 -0800o7 From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones)  Subject: Re: Sun On The Run?= Message-ID: <8a646952.0403081102.750be1ad@posting.google.com>i   Dear Andrew Harrison:e  D I posted the article as informational about business as usual in theF IT world. What happens to one company has happen to other companies inF the past. DEC did it to IBM. DEC did it to EMC. IBM did it to DEC. SunE did it to HP/Compaq/DEC. I am sure SUN has done it to IBM. I am still D wondering what company chose IBM mainframes as servers over everyone else? Again: business as usual.u  B Although, I did wonder how long it was going take before you would start ranting.  A Why don't you just relax! You do provide some good information attB times. A little less on beating the SUN drum would be appreciated.    
 Best Regards,  Daryl JonesP  n   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c2hpjr$mtb$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...a > Daryl Jones wrote: > > Dear Andrew Harrison:i > > 
 > > First: > > D > > Why is Andrew Harrison trying to argue with this article in this) > > forum? You need to go the Linux site!- > >  > 7 > Because one Daryl Jones posted this to the newsgroup.  >  > F > "NEW YORK - Gerry Louw is a longtime fan of Sun Microsystems and itsC > powerful Unix-based computers. In fact, he has been running Sun'seC > pricey machines at various companies for more than ten years. YetDA > today, Louw, chief information officer of VMS, a 1,000-employee C > company in New York, is ripping out hundreds of Sun servers in 16dE > locations and replacing them with inexpensive servers running Inteli1 > processors and Linux, a free operating system."- >  >  > Ohh dear you are Daryl Jones3 > Now that wasn't very bright was it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!s >  > > Second:  > > H > > What is being done to SUN by LINUX it is the same thing SUN has beenI > > doing to HP, IBM, Compaq, and others and vise versa. Take over a DatasH > > Center by initially cutting its prices and then later boosting them.& > > Business as usual in the IT world. > >  >  > Provide examples if you can. >  > 
 > > Third: > > 6 > > What does Andrew Harrison have to do with OpenVMS? > >  > 7 > Replying to your attempts to FUD Sun, now that wasn'td; > a very bright posting of your was it. In fact its gettingi > a bit Bobesq on your part. >  > 	 > Regards  > Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2004 17:19:41 -0800u( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) Subject: Re: Sun On The Run?= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0403081719.25caa954@posting.google.com>    Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c2i1p2$pob$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...iP >> > Borbolla just replaced all of his Sun computers with HP Intel-based serversQ > > running Linux. "It was the money," Borbolla says. "The Linux systems were 40%-# > > the cost of the Sun machines." r > >  > @ > SPARC boxes all include Solaris right to use licenses with the
 > systems. > G > HP x86 boxes don't include a commecrial Linux license and if you wantiG > to run almost any kind of commercial app you have to buy a commercial 2 > Linux release which ends up being mainly Redhat. > B > RedHat AS which is what most customers end up with costs between; > $1499 and $2499 per year so on a cheap HP you add another 
 > $4.5-$7.5K.s > ? > This means that low end x86 boxes actually end up costing ~2xa > the cost of a low end Sun. > < > Of course if you only consider the hardware costs then the8 > Sun's may be more expensive but then you have to run a: > community version of Linux and you cannot do that if you! > want supported commercial apps.  > @ > Of course if you are smart you add up the cost of the hardware > ................. and the OS.d > 	 > regardsi > Andrew Harrisonr  ? and if you were really, really smart, you would run OpenVMS andy< save a bundle on security teams, patch of the day clubs, and- downtime (see techwise cluster report) ... :)o   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2004 17:22:06 -0800o( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) Subject: Re: Sun On The Run?= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0403081722.5bd5a0e9@posting.google.com>s  p "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message news:<Iz03c.384$oi.193@news.cpqcorp.net>...M > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>s= > wrote in message news:c2i1p2$pob$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...o > > Rob Young wrote:L > > > In article <c2hpjr$mtb$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK> >  Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > > >d > > >>Daryl Jones wrote: > > >i > > D > > RedHat AS which is what most customers end up with costs between= > > $1499 and $2499 per year so on a cheap HP you add anotherv > > $4.5-$7.5K.l > >i > N > Here is a case where I agree with you (although you try to tie it to HP - itJ > is really a Linux on any HW issue).  That is, many people think Linux isD > "free" - which is of course nonsense unless you are using it as anM > individual hacker.  The majority of commercial users buy Linux from sourcestJ > such as Red Hat -- go to their web site and you will see that they offerM > their packaged versions of Linux as yearly subscription services that ranger* > from a few hundred dollars to 5 figures. > L > So, Linux is "free" - it comes with your yearly support contract - which IG > think will be the model you'll see the industry adopt to compete with I > Linux - low to non-existant up-front license, as part of a subscription  > service agreement.  : and boy, you'd better have that support when the hacks and9 viruses start flying ... and throw in another few hundrede  thousand for a security team ...   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 02:00:48 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: Sun On The Run?J Message-ID: <kz93c.202973$Qg7.174144@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  F "Andrew Harrison" <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message* news:c2ivjq$6o1$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... > Bob Koehler wrote: >nJ > > In article <c2i1p2$pob$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK; Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:a > >oD > >>RedHat AS which is what most customers end up with costs between= > >>$1499 and $2499 per year so on a cheap HP you add another  > >>$4.5-$7.5K.2 > >> > >. > >@4 > >    Why would I buy more than one copy of RedHat? > >mA > Because if you get audited by them (which their contract allowsa> > them to do) you end up paying a premium for the unsubscribed
 > systems.   Andrew,a Do you have a url for that?-   tks.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2004 12:33:29 -0600 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)c Subject: Re: Sun On The Run?3 Message-ID: <Q1$mWhYzsL3T@eisner.encompasserve.org>P  k In article <Iz03c.384$oi.193@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes:  > M > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>e= > wrote in message news:c2i1p2$pob$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...e >> Rob Young wrote: K >> > In article <c2hpjr$mtb$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK = > Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:  >> > >> >>Daryl Jones wrote:  >> > >>C >> RedHat AS which is what most customers end up with costs betweenn< >> $1499 and $2499 per year so on a cheap HP you add another >> $4.5-$7.5K. >> > N > Here is a case where I agree with you (although you try to tie it to HP - itJ > is really a Linux on any HW issue).  That is, many people think Linux isD > "free" - which is of course nonsense unless you are using it as an > individual hacker.    B 	I suspect that the "most" Andrew refers to is overblown.  I wouldB 	guess "most" means RedHat ES at $750 per server per year.  That's> 	what we use.  The 40% savings the Auto guy referred to may beE 	a mix and match of AS/ES (AS is a definite for business critical).  oC 	And 7x24 for the OSes I'm surrounded by sure is a bunch more than 9: 	$2499 per year.  Is OS support $2499 per year for a E15K?   > L > So, Linux is "free" - it comes with your yearly support contract - which IG > think will be the model you'll see the industry adopt to compete with I > Linux - low to non-existant up-front license, as part of a subscription  > service agreement. >    	Free is a come-on.   A 	The value-ad is the bundling of freeware (Apache, etc.) and the mD 	configuration tools that surround the bundle.  That's the reason to 	go with a RedHat or a Suse.  @ 	Would be interesting to drill down and find out exactly how theA 	TCO was determined for the whacking of Sun at the Auto place and. 	others.   				Rob-   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2004 14:24:17 -0600o; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)g Subject: Re: Sun On The Run?3 Message-ID: <gBpjQcOn62Bj@eisner.encompasserve.org>a   In article <c2i1p2$pob$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > B > RedHat AS which is what most customers end up with costs between; > $1499 and $2499 per year so on a cheap HP you add anotherd
 > $4.5-$7.5K.t >   0    Why would I buy more than one copy of RedHat?   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2004 21:04:29 -0800e7 From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones)  Subject: Re: Sun On The Run?= Message-ID: <8a646952.0403082104.4eb04fb4@posting.google.com>i   Dear Andrew Harrison:s        Try decaff.  
 Best Regards,m Daryl Jonesn  q Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message news:<c2ivqi$6te$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...m > Daryl Jones wrote: >  > > Dear Andrew Harrison:  > > H > > I posted the article as informational about business as usual in theJ > > IT world. What happens to one company has happen to other companies inJ > > the past. DEC did it to IBM. DEC did it to EMC. IBM did it to DEC. SunI > > did it to HP/Compaq/DEC. I am sure SUN has done it to IBM. I am still-H > > wondering what company chose IBM mainframes as servers over everyone# > > else? Again: business as usual.n > >  > < > So why did you have the strange notion that it would be ok6 > to complain about my replying to your post ????????? > 7 > There are lots of rude words that could describe youre7 > last posting, lets just say it wasn't very clever andI > leave it at that.  > F > > Although, I did wonder how long it was going take before you would > > start ranting. > >  > ; > Really shame that you got a reasoned and factual responser > back then wans't it. > E > > Why don't you just relax! You do provide some good information at4F > > times. A little less on beating the SUN drum would be appreciated. > >  >  > I am entirely relaxed. > 	 > Regards2 > Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 17:07:45 -0500m* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>? Subject: Re: The Inquirer:   HP re-thinking its IA-64 strategy?n) Message-ID: <404CEEA7.98EC1DA7@istop.com>    Didier Morandi wrote:kO > If i64 is dead, VMS is dead, and even if I do not want that, all my passsion, 6 > our passion for VMS will not do anything to save it.   I am not 100% sure of this.   N In the scenario where HP and Intel make a joint announcement about the lack ofL future for IA64, it is a safe bet that to save face, all 3 OSs targetted for> IA64 will be retargetted to the new platform. (VMS, HPUX, NSK)  I In the scenario where HP acts as if nothing had happened and continues tohL claim IA64 has a bright future, then yes, VMS is in jeoperdy. Not because ofI any actions by HP with regards to architecture, but rather because enoughoM customers will stay away from IA64 systems that HP,s accountants will be ableOF to show that VMS is no longer generating profits and should be killed.  K One has to wait to see what happens between now and the official commercial  launch of VMS on IA64.  M There is still a window opened for HP to start to do serious marketing of VMSaI on IA64. We'be become so desperate to see any marketing of VMS, that we'dfG probably welcome that advertising even if is for a platform we dislike.o  N Remember that it is "possible" that HP has purposely waited to start marketingL VMS until it ran on one of its platforms. It may not have wanted to market aM product running on a platform HP doesn't want to keep (especially if any salehJ of Alpha system is tied to a promise to supply a free IA64 hot air furnace when it becomes available).m  N Of course, it is perhaps more likely that the launch of VMS on IA64 will be as! invisible as VMS has been so far.t  J However, if HP does go ahead to launch VMS on IA64 commercially later thisN year, it will have officially runned out of excuses NOT to marklet VMS and anyM lack of marketing subsequent to the launch will be a clear indication that HP E does not intend to leverage the big investment it made in VMS when it  purchased Compaq.F   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 15:24:42 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>r? Subject: Re: The Inquirer:   HP re-thinking its IA-64 strategy? ' Message-ID: <404CF2AA.1020104@MMaz.com>s   JF Mezei wrote:    >Didier Morandi wrote: >  w >rO >>If i64 is dead, VMS is dead, and even if I do not want that, all my passsion, 6 >>our passion for VMS will not do anything to save it. >>     >> >i >I am not 100% sure of this. >!O >In the scenario where HP and Intel make a joint announcement about the lack ofsM >future for IA64, it is a safe bet that to save face, all 3 OSs targetted for>? >IA64 will be retargetted to the new platform. (VMS, HPUX, NSK)B > J >In the scenario where HP acts as if nothing had happened and continues to? >claim IA64 has a bright future, then yes, VMS is in jeoperdy. g >yE Is that not what HP has already been doing for the past six months?  s7 While the Opteron and Athlon64 are being acceptable as 4G processor/platform alternatives, HP claims that it is nothing to worry eE about...  Intel now makes a nervous, reactionary move in response to aB AMD's successes, and HP still continues to pretend as if there is F nothing to worry about.  Does it take the canceling of IA64 before HP G even cautiously admits that they screwed up and should not have jumped t" into bed with Intel on the Itanic?   >Not because offJ >any actions by HP with regards to architecture, but rather because enoughN >customers will stay away from IA64 systems that HP,s accountants will be ableG >to show that VMS is no longer generating profits and should be killed., >lL >One has to wait to see what happens between now and the official commercial >launch of VMS on IA64.O >    > E No one here likes FUD.  Never the less, that is exactly what we have  G here and how many people are willing to bet the ranch on VMS/IA64 when  G it could become the next dead architecture before it even reaches it's qE first birthday?  I certainly wouldn't make that gamble and I suspect nI that smaller shops won't/can't either.  Yes, I know there are the Galaxy 5H folks that may have to, or choose to, but the VMS populous at large?  I 6 don't know, just doesn't seem like a great idea to me.  N >There is still a window opened for HP to start to do serious marketing of VMSJ >on IA64. We'be become so desperate to see any marketing of VMS, that we'dH >probably welcome that advertising even if is for a platform we dislike. >  o >sF What?  HP use the "M" word with VMS, forget IA64, can anyone count on F more than one hand the number of non-Internet based market blitz that H focused on VMS over the past twelve months?  More often than not, it is H VMS that is left off the marquee and if ever there was a time for HP to F dump good money after bad, I suspect that this would be it; They'd be G patterning themselves after Intel and the IA64.  Interesting parallel, iB no?  Anyway, I'd rather just see HP  MARKET VMS, to hell with the = platform, just sell the OS, that would be an awesome start...e     Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        x   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 19:32:09 -0500w* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>? Subject: Re: The Inquirer:   HP re-thinking its IA-64 strategy? ) Message-ID: <404D1074.9ED7CB7A@istop.com>h   "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:L > >In the scenario where HP acts as if nothing had happened and continues to@ > >claim IA64 has a bright future, then yes, VMS is in jeoperdy. > > E > Is that not what HP has already been doing for the past six months?   L Yes, and what Compaq did for a couple of years before it finally revealed itK true intentions with regards to Alpha. Problem is that customers know about G this tactic , so HP can't really use it for very long this time around.a  K HP has two options: continue with IA64, launch VMS on it, and then announce H long term migration over 3 years to the 8086. OR: kill IA64 before it isG commercially available for VMS/NSK, and continue with PaRisc/Alpha with J shrinks/speed bumps until 8086 is a reality in both systems and ported OS.  L So far, HP has left both doors opened. There is no need to close either doorM until you make the official announcement. Note that Sue used the word "still"eL in one of her recent statements. If we read between the lines, it means that there is going to be a change.  I HP may very well have firmed up plans to migrate away from IA64, but suchlG plans may require HP to continue to make positive spin on IA64 for now.   < > Intel now makes a nervous, reactionary move in response to > AMD's successes,  L No, this would have been a carefully calculated move. Intel knew a long timeK ago that IA64 couldn't beat Alpha, wouldn't scale down to desktop, would beeM laughable at 8086 emulation, would continue to cost a lot and be difficult to 
 work with.  L However, because it had invested so much, it probably decided to continue toM push to try to recuperate at least some of the wasted money, especially sinceoL it had gullible/slave customers like Compaq and HP. Intel doesn't care aboutM OS support commitments. It just sells chips. And with Compaq slowing down and 1 delaying Alpha, it made IA64 look less of a joke.n  J But Intel knew all along that AMD would produce 64 bit 8086, and Intel didL make its own 64 bit 8086. But it made sense to delay announcing the intel 64H bit 8086 until absolutely necessary. That would give IA64 time to get toM market. This way, it wouldn't be seen as a failed Intel project. I think thathL aborting IA64 before it came to market would be noticed by shareholders, butN once it has been commercialised, when it is widthdrawn, sharegolders will only- see product rationlaisation and cost savings.7  J > that smaller shops won't/can't either.  Yes, I know there are the GalaxyG > folks that may have to, or choose to, but the VMS populous at large?    K HP isn't aware of any VMS populous at large. They only know of a few large,  key customers.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 21:40:14 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>? Subject: Re: The Inquirer:   HP re-thinking its IA-64 strategy? 6 Message-ID: <404D3C9E.DE26EA67@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   JF Mezei wrote:c > " > Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:I > > Because there is still no real need for 64bit Windows. But things are9J > > changing NOW and if Alpha would still be viable, then Windows on AlphaQ > > would be there again NOW (though HAMMER would probably have killed it later).t > P > Had Digital done its job right (marketing and pricing), there would be no need< > for 64 bit 8086 because Alpha would have taken the throne.   I don't buy that.m  B When Alpha first came out, 80x86 was already deeply entrenched andE getting deeper with the dawn of 80386 soon after. The fact that Alphaa? wouldn't run IA32 code without FX!32 prevented the "take over".-  O > There were two big opportunities for this: The Win95 replacement frienzy (andpO > introduction of NT) and the Y2K PC replacement frienzy. Alpha could have beenDD > positioned as the perfect replacement for fleets of PCs out there.  H Not likely, IMO. IA32 (80286) was already "ubiquitous" in as much as theG 8086 predecessor was already transitioning to 80286. Tough to stop thatr much momentum.  	 > And had L > Digital done its job properly, Microsoft would have seen the potential forO > Alpha and actively supported the platform instead of just releasing a versione > just to say it was released.  H Then again, had DEC not killed Emerald but rather had they stuck with itG and solved the problems, all those Proliants out there would be runningp! OpenVMS-x86 instead of Micro$lop.A  O > Remember that at the time Alpha came out, Windows was still at 3.1, with baby 8 > networking (novell file sharing, pracically no TCPIP).   Don't forget LANman.   > [snip]   -- e David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 18:43:26 GMT % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>mP Subject: Re: Two problems: qui$ external and procedure division using (external)? Message-ID: <i933c.9944$t16.6064565@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>i  / <tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message|2 news:do0p40ttgj4eanv4si3rrkr4m1pnckbcid@4ax.com...1 > As requested,  here is the exact error message. C > The "COPYLIB" in the linkage secion is actually only one variableA > (element?).... >:, >        01  FNCI-FUNCTION-INFO IS EXTERNAL. >              05 ......$ > .................................^F > %COBOL-E-EXTERN, EXTERNAL clause ignored, valid only for named 01 orH > 77 items in Working-Storage Section without REDEFINES at line number 5	 > in fileo >.  L That's interesting.  I can't find a COBOL compiler on VAX or Alpha that willL take that.  It's complaining because you aren't allowed to use "IS EXTERNAL"I in the linkage section.  I guess you have an old version of COBOL on yourwF VAX that accepts that.  I think the solution is to just remove the "ISI EXTERNAL" since it makes no sense in the linkage section.  But, you could G have other programs that copy FUNCTION-INFO-SP into the working-storagep- section where the IS EXTERNAL will be needed.m   >n >/H > >What problems?   What follows are perfectly valid code samples.  It's hardJ > >to help because you didn't tell us what problem you're having.  Are youJ > >having trouble compiling, linking or running?  Are you getting an error" > >message or, unexpected results?E > >I can't imagine what problem you're having calling lib$get_symbol.  > >  > >>B > >> 1) Procedure division can no longer use an external variable. > >>    (implicitly defined).  > >> > >>        LINKAGE SECTION. > >>, > >>        COPY "COM$CPY:FUNCTION-INFO-SP". > >> > >>3 > >>        PROCEDURE DIVISION USING FUNCTION-INFO.l > >> > >>        P0000-MAINLINE.  > >>+ > >>            CALL "LIB$GET_SYMBOL" USING-1 > >>                BY DESCRIPTOR "COMPANY_CODE",c4 > >>                BY DESCRIPTOR FNCI-COMPANY-CODE, > >>                OMITTED, > >>                OMITTED,% > >>                GIVING WS-STATUS.1 > >> >.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 21:01:52 GMTn# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman):> Subject: Re: User-written system service, how to protect data?/ Message-ID: <4b53c.440$xC.436@news.cpqcorp.net>s  i In article <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403031556100.5032@jaipur.local>, Ryan Moore <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org> writes: H :We have an application where I'm exploring using a user-written system J :service.  The overall problem I'm trying to solve is that we're making a J :change to our programming libraries where whenever we use one of our I/O E :calls, we need to get a system lock so that the library can do some  C :new synchronization (needed across all users, across the cluster).   >   I'll assume this is because you need to have the lock across   multiple UICs.  J :Anyway, we have lots of programs that will use our library.  And we want J :to let non-prived users run these programs.  But you need SYSLCK priv in B :order for our library routine to get the lock we need.  So every L :program will need to be installed with SYSLCK.  That's not going to work.  L :Instead, I want to write user-written system services that will handle the 0 :lock routines on behalf of the I/O routines....  =   Do remember that I/O channels can be mode-specific; you canf.   open channels with the access mode argument.  L :The problem I'm having is that these lock routines will need to store some F :context information (like the lockID, etc.) that is private to these J :priveleged routines.  I want to protect this context data from user-mode 
 :access.  F :        The LINKer manual says if I use the /PROTECT qualifier, then G :all code and data in my shared image will be protected from user-mode oG :access.  This doesn't seem to be happening.  If I leak the pointer to tI :the private data area out of my routines, I find I can still modify the u :structure from user-mode.    C   The memory must be allocated with the proper protection -- if you @   are in inner-mode, you can't call RTL services as a rule, onlyE   system services.  (LINK/NOSYSLIB keeps this stuff out of the image,kF   and /SYSEXE brings in the kernel entry points and the kernel C API.)  A   Put another way, where is the memory being allocated?  (In your >   case, look at using static or similar storage, as I'd expect=   such would be protected against write access.  Storage thath:   is stack-local to the user-mode code isn't protected...)  >   You could also use $expreg, with the appropriate protection.>   There are also kernel-mode routines that can allocate memory@   for you.  (The "fun" here is the clean-up on the way out, lest   you implement a memory leak.)   ; :If I can't do this, then how can these protected routines sB :store context information privately that cannot be accessed from  :user-mode?o  C   I tend to use pseudo-drivers for this application, and typically o@   not User-Written System Services -- the UWSS stuff works quite@   nicely, but I've found the driver API works just as well.  And@   particularly if you keep most of -- all of? -- the code in theB   FDT, and you can also get useful storage in the UCB...  You alsoA   get a nice API for protecting your code; the $qio[w]-based API.-    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqnN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com1   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2004 13:27:03 -0600 . From: FACochrane@HotMail.com (Arthur Cochrane)5 Subject: VMS to InfoPrint 40 printer via LPD and DCPSh3 Message-ID: <eh9OWCuhN4WR@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  N     I have tried the VMS FAQ and the Ask the Wizard topics and I have not seenM     the easy answer to this. If I have missed it please point me in the right      direction.       VMS 7.3-2 with TCP/IP 5.4w     IBM InfoPrint 40 PS printer.     DCPS 2.3  L     The printer has an IP address on the network. I can print to the printerL     from a Windows 2000 PC. I can print to it double size and select a paperB     tray with three hole punched paper and select the output tray.  O     I have set up a queue to a HP LaserJet via the raw TCP method to port 9100.sN     However, the release notes for DCPS say that the InfoPrint 40 is supported!     only via LPD. So I need help.   N     I tried to setup a queue to the printer via the TCPIP$LPRsetup.exe programJ     that asked questions and setup the TCPIP$PRINTCAP.DAT file and setup aK     print queue but this asked questions where Unix syntax and knowledge isp1     required and this is no my area of knowledge.l  >     So has anyone setup one of the printers to print from VMS?       Thanks.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 20:11:47 GMTb* From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>9 Subject: Re: VMS to InfoPrint 40 printer via LPD and DCPSe5 Message-ID: <080320041506544061%paul.anderson@hp.com>   C In article <eh9OWCuhN4WR@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Arthur Cochrane, <FACochrane@HotMail.com> wrote:    >     VMS 7.3-2 with TCP/IP 5.4 ! >     IBM InfoPrint 40 PS printer  >     DCPS 2.3 : G > I have set up a queue to a HP LaserJet via the raw TCP method to portmE > 9100. However, the release notes for DCPS say that the InfoPrint 40  > is supported only via LPD.  = The IBM InfoPrint 40 printer is fully supported by DCPS.  ThetC recommended way of printing is via a Raw TCP connection rather than8= LPD, as LPD is uni-directional and offers no error reporting.S  G DCPS documentation, as well as DCPS$STARTUP.COM, has examples of how tocE set up a Raw TCP printer.  The P2 parameter line for the queue shoulds
 look like:  )    "IP_RawTCP/name_or_address_of_printer"    Port 9100 is assumed.t   Paul   -- h  Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering*   Hewlett-Packard Companyi   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2004 19:33:37 -0800e- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)s Subject: Re: Zip/update Issuet= Message-ID: <3ff5fed3.0403081933.5f7c4e1d@posting.google.com>s  j Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com> wrote in message news:<Qfq1c.5557$qu3.3458@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>... >aD > > Perhaps this question is better asked at info-zip@lists.wku.edu. > . > I emailed that group abd got this response :* > Your mail to 'Info-ZIP' with the subject >oE Can you send it again?  I apparently missed your post in the hundredso/ of spam/virus messages that get held every day.    > The reason it is being held: > 0 >      Post by non-member to a members-only list > E > Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive + > notification of the moderator's decision.4 >  >  > A > My question is, where do I go to see this "members-only list" ?c  . http://lists.wku.edu/mailman/listinfo/info-zip  J From there, you can subscribe, which will let you post without moderation.  G Or you can file a bug report via the web site: http://www.info-zip.org/c   Hunter ------& Hunter Goatley, goathunter@goatley.com   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2004 14:36:41 -0600.; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) < Subject: Re: [OT] We've always know that Solaris is junk....3 Message-ID: <f2rZ48TOaLah@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  n In article <f30679fb.0403080853.43ac954c@posting.google.com>, fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) writes:  5 > Lets see if Sun will be acquireb by IBM or Dell !   > May be Fujitsu  ?   .    Once upon a time, I would have said Compaq.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 22:24:54 -0500.2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>- Subject: Re: [OT]: Does Charon do DECwindows?e- Message-ID: <404CF2B6.3771.A00E96F@localhost>i  H > If you are asking if the server on which CHARON is running can also beG > an X-Windows Server, say running something like Hummingbird, well yesMH > it can do that but I would not recommend it as any software running onB > the server, in addition to CHARON, can impact CHARON's emulation > performance.    C Not to contradict a valued customer like Barry, but if you're on a >C fast, dual-processor, Winbox, that's certainly possible.  In fact, -D it's the migration approach I take for customers running VAXstation A hardware.  The emulated VAX will run in one processor, and the X t2 server and emulated I/O will run in the other one.  ) The requirements to be succesful include:e  % - Dual-processor PC, fast processors.i? - AMD processors (a little faster than Intel, and cheaper too).n@ - Fast memory (at least 1 GB, 800 MHz front-side bus preferred).B - Windows 2000 Professional preferred.  XP and 2003 work, however.E - Good graphics card on Windows side, but set to a limited resolution-;   and color depth (no need for TrueColor 3000x2000 pixels).rA - Two network cards -- one for Windows, one for the emulated VAX.t@   They will have to be able to connect to each other for this to   work. = - Emulated VAX needs a TCP/IP stack installed (UCX, Multinet,e   TCPware).o  @ These conditions are actually not that painful.  They're mostly , required for succesful CHARON-VAX operation.  C > They have multiple DECterm windows open while using the app. They4H > instantiate multiple sessions via $ set host 0 Will Charon permit themI > to do the same on std. PC hardware? Are there any limitations to this? h  F Other than that above, all should work perfectly, except that they'll E need to change their command.  A quick dash of DCL will do the trick.C    C Please contact me directly at stan@stanq.com, and I can assist you cE and your client in an evaluation.  More details on CHARON-VAX are at:n  &   http://www.stanq.com/charon-vax.html  
 --Stan Quaylei Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671a1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147u= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.comr   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 19:24:23 +0100 2 From: Wilm Boerhout <w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl>- Subject: Re: [OT]: Does Charon do DECwindows?r* Message-ID: <c2ie3f$eoc$1@reader11.wxs.nl>  I CHARON-VAX replaces non-graphics versions of VAX hardware (3600,3100 and  F the like). Provided your X-server runs on the host PC/Server and both D the Windows system and CHARON-VAX are connected to the network with I their respective network interfaces, yes, you could replace a VAXstation.h  C Your limitation would be the use of DECnet instead of TCP-IP for X  E transport. If you do not own a TCPIP license for the VS4000 now, you aH would have to buy one or install a reliable DECnet stack on the Windows  host.n  F For the performance of the resulting platform, you should look up the 9 VS4000 VUP rating and size your Windows host accordingly.  --  
 Wilm Boerhoute   wilmOLD@PAINTboerhout.nl(    (remove OLD PAINT from reply address)     John Smith wrote: E > I've got a customer running an older app of ours on a VS4000 series K > workstation. They have multiple DECterm windows open while using the app. 5 > They instantiate multiple sessions via $ set host 0  > K > Will Charon permit them to do the same on std. PC hardware? Are there anyl > limitations to this?   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 18:53:46 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> - Subject: Re: [OT]: Does Charon do DECwindows?oK Message-ID: <_i33c.154623$ah.77073@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   ? "Wilm Boerhout" <w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl> wrote in message-$ news:c2ie3f$eoc$1@reader11.wxs.nl...J > CHARON-VAX replaces non-graphics versions of VAX hardware (3600,3100 andG > the like). Provided your X-server runs on the host PC/Server and bothiE > the Windows system and CHARON-VAX are connected to the network withmK > their respective network interfaces, yes, you could replace a VAXstation.a > D > Your limitation would be the use of DECnet instead of TCP-IP for XF > transport. If you do not own a TCPIP license for the VS4000 now, youI > would have to buy one or install a reliable DECnet stack on the Windowsi > host.o >eG > For the performance of the resulting platform, you should look up ther; > VS4000 VUP rating and size your Windows host accordingly.o > -- > Wilm Boerhoutv     Wilm, Barryc   Thanks for the info.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 21:00:36 +0100e" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>- Subject: Re: [OT]: Does Charon do DECwindows?n2 Message-ID: <404cd0e5$0$298$636a15ce@news.free.fr>     John Smith wrote:d  E > I've got a customer running an older app of ours on a VS4000 serieslK > workstation. They have multiple DECterm windows open while using the app.n5 > They instantiate multiple sessions via $ set host 0u >n= > Will Charon permit them to do the same on std. PC hardware?f  - The answer is yes, it does, but with two PCs.h  @ I gave the very same demo to the French Air Force two weeks ago.J A FutureVAX and a vanilia PC with Hummingbird EXCEED and a piece of cross D Ethernet cable. I had to install DECWindows MOTIF on the VAX, then :  : $ set display/create/transport=tcpip/node=IP_address_of_PC $ mc decw$startlogin  - and the DECWindows session starts on your PC.w  % Other Barry's comments are right too.O  J We can also dream of a future version of CHARON doing native DECwindows...   D.   -- r2 VAXUS - Your new helpful friend in the DEC Family!2 EHQ: 19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France/       Phone: +336 7983 6418 Fax: +335 6154 1928i$                 http://www.vaxus.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 15:42:26 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>- Subject: Re: [OT]: Does Charon do DECwindows?<) Message-ID: <404CDAAD.FE293822@istop.com>e   Didier Morandi wrote:o< > $ set display/create/transport=tcpip/node=IP_address_of_PC > $ mc decw$startlogin  L you should add /EXEC to the set display command. With this, the "startlogin"K will be persistent even if you log out from the process that issued the setr display command.  M Once the PC reboots and starts the X terminal software, the login will appear $ within about a minute automatically.  L If you log out from the process that issued the SET DISPLAY (without /EXEC),M then if the PC crashes, or exits from the X terminal software, the WSA deviceoM will vanish and there won't be an automatic restart of the login process wheni# the X terminal software comes back.f   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.136 ************************