1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 10 Mar 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 138       Contents: Re: AlphaServer 300  Re: AlphaServer 300 , Re: Are RZ29B and RZ28D supposed to be LOUD?, Re: Are RZ29B and RZ28D supposed to be LOUD?, Re: Are RZ29B and RZ28D supposed to be LOUD?' Re: Check out these new VT flat panels! ' Re: Check out these new VT flat panels! L Cockadoodledoo! (Was: Re: User-written system service, how to protect data?)P Re: Cockadoodledoo! (Was: Re: User-written system service, how to protect data?)( Re: DCL Tip: getting NBS time (sortable)& Re: Digital Personal workstation 600au& Re: Digital Personal workstation 600au@ Re: Error message: Failed to translate SYS$CLUSTER_NODE_FULLNAME Re: EVA disk storage Re: Fortran 9x for VAX?  Re: Fortran 9x for VAX?  Re: Fortran 9x for VAX?  Re: Fortran 9x for VAX? ' Re: He's Got the Whole World on His VAX  Re: Intel releases 64bit Xeon  Re: Intel releases 64bit Xeon  Re: Intel releases 64bit Xeon  Re: Is DISK a new command? Re: Is DISK a new command? Re: Is DISK a new command?& Is time to have Alpha/Itanium Blades ?* Re: Is time to have Alpha/Itanium Blades ?. Looking for: SWCC ver: 2.5 client software kit Re: Non-blocking connectG Re: OpenVMS virus proof while other disks get zapped by latest viruses! G Re: OpenVMS virus proof while other disks get zapped by latest viruses! & Ping Between OpenVMS and Digital Unix?8 reopening sys$output and sys$error in a detached process< Re: reopening sys$output and sys$error in a detached process& Re: SAMBA & Advanced Server - coexist?& Re: SAMBA & Advanced Server - coexist? scanning the PCI bus3 Re: sending file on internet through FTP on openVMS / Re: Strange Device name...Anybody have ideas???  Re: Sun On The Run?  Re: Sun On The Run?  Re: Sun On The Run?  Re: Sun On The Run?  Re: Sun On The Run?  Re: Sun On The Run?  Re: Sun On The Run?  Re: Sun On The Run?  Re: Sun On The Run? 6 Re: The Inquirer:   HP re-thinking its IA-64 strategy?6 Re: The Inquirer:   HP re-thinking its IA-64 strategy? Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ? < RE: USB and SYS$OHCIDRIVER (was: Re: Strange Device name...)< Re: USB and SYS$OHCIDRIVER (was: Re: Strange Device name...) VMS 5.5 update Re: What is ZIC ?? Where are the terminals ?  Re: Where are the terminals ?  Xerox 6250 and DCPS 2.3  Re: Zope on Vms ? 3 Re: [OT] We've always know that Solaris is junk.... & Re: [TCPIP V5.3 ECO4] For VMS V7.3-2 ?& Re: [TCPIP V5.3 ECO4] For VMS V7.3-2 ?& Re: [TCPIP V5.3 ECO4] For VMS V7.3-2 ?" [TCPIP V5.3 ECO4] For VMS V7.3-2 ?& Re: [TCPIP V5.3 ECO4] For VMS V7.3-2 ?& Re: [TCPIP V5.3 ECO4] For VMS V7.3-2 ?& Re: [TCPIP V5.3 ECO4] For VMS V7.3-2 ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 19:48:58 GMT % From: Jason Brady <nospam@nospam.net>  Subject: Re: AlphaServer 3008 Message-ID: <6m7s40de95quhkgessp2inp9hiel7e012i@4ax.com>  4 On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 11:51:05 +0100, Robert Trawinski' <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> wrote:   9 >Thanks very much. So I became happy VMS machine's owner.  >  >Robert   D Congratulations!  It's a terrific hobbyist machine.  I have one with> 128Mbyte RAM and a 4.3Gbyte Seagate drive running OpenVMS 7.3, Oracle Rdb, TCP/IP, etc.  D You may need to upgrade the console firmware.  I think the necessary4 files are still available for download on HP's site.   Regards, Jason    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 08:53:40 +0000 * From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> Subject: Re: AlphaServer 300' Message-ID: <c2k0o0$h1i$1@lore.csc.com>    Robert Trawinski wrote:   J > I can get for free AlphaServer300 (two disks, graphics, memory - 256MB?, > CD, floppy).9 > Not very good condition, but owner say it should works. F > I'd like to use it home, but I'm not sure is that good idea to spend > some time H > revitalizing this one. There is VMS license. Is it possible to install > VMS 7.3-x on it?  F We used to DREAM of 265 MB and an extra disk. When I were a lad, all I4 had was a single disk and I counted my memory in KB.  H "Not very good condition" should probably means it's just dirty, showingE its age, been in the wars, discoloured by fluorescent lighting. Disks B are cheap, and may be the only thing to give you trouble. Well the: floppy could be full of that black gunk you always find...  @ Free is my kind of language, time is the discovery and learning.  E You can run 6.2-1H3, or 7.1, or later, so yes 7.3-2, via the Hobbyist D programme. I expect you'll blow away the current installation but doF make a note of the authorization number of the base licence before youF do, this would help in any legal base system transfers you may wish toH do in the future between HP and yourself (but not strictly necessary for hobby use).    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 22:35:56 GMT 0 From: glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>5 Subject: Re: Are RZ29B and RZ28D supposed to be LOUD? . Message-ID: <gFr3c.90841$ko6.558620@attbi_s02>   William Webb wrote:    (snip)  D > If you go back a little further in time, the AlphaStation 200s hadB > RZ26s in them which were known to make awful noises (some of 'emD > sounded like they had loose stuff rattling around inside) when the > system started them up.   G > If you go back yet further, I used to have a 500 meg or so ESDI drive G > (on a PC, mind you, in the days when this was BIG) that took around a C > minute or so to spin up, and did a pretty good imitation of a jet / > engine increasing pitch whine while doing so.   ; I don't know how they do it now, but in days past there was > a springy piece of metal to ground the disk spindle.  It would= contact where the spindle came through the bearing, and could  easily get very noisy.   -- glen    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 04:14:39 GMT " From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>5 Subject: Re: Are RZ29B and RZ28D supposed to be LOUD? ( Message-ID: <404D4906.30104@cumulus.com>  & --------------0509050904040705010206019 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit        Dan Foster wrote:   _ >In article <1078771184.415794@news.liwest.at>, Ralph Aichinger <ralph@dolphy.pangea.at> wrote:  >    > 0 >>I know, this is not a strict VMS question, but3 >>I think there might be knowledgeable people here:  >>2 >>I just got an AlphaStation 255 with 2 disks and 3 >>a CD-Rom. It is unbelievably loud. It sounds like 0 >>a dentist's drill as soon as the disks spin up5 >>(or I suppose it is the disks giving these noises).  >>     >> > D >I've never heard hard drives so I don't know the definitive answer,J >although if it also *vibrates* (internally) like putting your hands on anJ >huge subwoofer, then it'd probably be due to a failed ball bearing (whichI >often means the drive is expiring and needs immediate replacement). I've F >had a few drives over the years that failed in this way. Not a common >failure mode, but does happen.  > L >If it's just loud but no associated vibration when you put your hand on theE >drive (exterior, of course) surface, then it's probably 'just loud'.  >    > G If he has two hard drives... he'll have to put his finger on which one  I that is vibrating the most.  I've ordered hard drives (SCSI) before that  H run around 7200 rpm.  These are very quiet.  One was just noisy and was G about to take off... you could feel the drive vibrating pretty bad.  I  H had to replace it again and the new one was quiet.  The drive was going  to self destruct anyways.       & --------------050905090404070501020601) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   ? <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">  <html> <head>I   <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1">    <title></title>  </head>  <body> <br> <br> Dan Foster wrote:<br>  <blockquote type="cite" 4  cite="midslrnc4phfj.rab.usenet@gaia.roc2.gblx.net">  <pre wrap="">In article <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:1078771184.415794@news.liwest.at">&lt;1078771184.415794@news.liwest.at&gt;</a>, Ralph Aichinger <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ralph@dolphy.pangea.at">&lt;ralph@dolphy.pangea.at&gt;</a> wrote:    </pre>   <blockquote type="cite">?     <pre wrap="">I know, this is not a strict VMS question, but 1 I think there might be knowledgeable people here:   0 I just got an AlphaStation 255 with 2 disks and 1 a CD-Rom. It is unbelievably loud. It sounds like . a dentist's drill as soon as the disks spin up3 (or I suppose it is the disks giving these noises). 
     </pre>   </blockquote>    <pre wrap=""><!---->C I've never heard hard drives so I don't know the definitive answer, I although if it also *vibrates* (internally) like putting your hands on an I huge subwoofer, then it'd probably be due to a failed ball bearing (which H often means the drive is expiring and needs immediate replacement). I'veE had a few drives over the years that failed in this way. Not a common  failure mode, but does happen.  K If it's just loud but no associated vibration when you put your hand on the D drive (exterior, of course) surface, then it's probably 'just loud'.   </pre>
 </blockquote> K If he has two hard drives... he'll have to put his finger on which one that S is vibrating the most. &nbsp;I've ordered hard drives (SCSI) before that run around T 7200 rpm. &nbsp;These are very quiet. &nbsp;One was just noisy and was about to takeO off... you could feel the drive vibrating pretty bad. &nbsp;I had to replace it X again and the new one was quiet. &nbsp;The drive was going to self destruct anyways.<br> <br> <br> </body>  </html>   ( --------------050905090404070501020601--   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 14:34:05 GMT  From: guppy@fish.org5 Subject: Re: Are RZ29B and RZ28D supposed to be LOUD? 8 Message-ID: <p5kr40l527pi8jbnndeosc76dljoqajq0c@4ax.com>  8 On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:09:05 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Aichinger <ralph@dolphy.pangea.at> wrote:   / >I know, this is not a strict VMS question, but 2 >I think there might be knowledgeable people here: > 1 >I just got an AlphaStation 255 with 2 disks and  2 >a CD-Rom. It is unbelievably loud. It sounds like/ >a dentist's drill as soon as the disks spin up 4 >(or I suppose it is the disks giving these noises).   >  >/ralph   F This really isn't unusual for old RZXX drives that have been spun downE for a while.  Most of the time all you need to do is turn the machine E on and leave it on until the drives get back in the groove of things, D so to speak.  At that point, the noise should diminish considerably. Several hours should do it.     ? If the noise stays the same, or gets worse, consider that it is D entirely possible that the RZ28D has been spinning at 7200 RPM since? the mid-90's, putting it's life expectency well down on the far D right-hand side of the bell curve.  So, if you are going to have anyB important data on this machine, timely backups would be essential.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 19:15:31 GMT ) From: Alfred Falk <falk@arc.REMOVE.ab.ca> 0 Subject: Re: Check out these new VT flat panels!9 Message-ID: <Xns94A77CB33CA15falkarcabca@198.161.157.145>   > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in, news:M$VRsj0tlCnw@eisner.encompasserve.org:   B > In article <c2j0ch$6tu$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison. > <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> writes:  >>  9 >> I still have one bridge, second hand one carefull lady 	 >> owner.  >>  / >> Please apply at london-bridge-auctions.co.uk  > G >    Andrew sure can find some odd ways to be wrong.  The London Bridge D >    was sold a long time ago, and is alive and well at its new home >    in Arizona.  G You're thinking of the "old" London Bridge.  There's a newer one now -  E built after the old one was removed.  Boring modern bridge.  Now the  + Tower Bridge, that might be worth owning...   H >    But I think there is still no recorded sale of the Brooklyn Bridge. >  >        --  @ ----------------------------------------------------------------A   A L B E R T A         Alfred Falk               falk@arc.ab.ca  @ R E S E A R C H         Information Systems Dept   (780)450-5185+   C O U N C I L         250 Karl Clark Road 1                         Edmonton, Alberta, Canada  http://www.arc.ab.ca/   T6N 1E4   http://www.arc.ab.ca/staff/falk/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:42:07 +0000 9 From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> 0 Subject: Re: Check out these new VT flat panels!0 Message-ID: <c2j0ch$6tu$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:   d > Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in message news:<404B11E6.328933EF@sture.homeip.net>... >  >>Bob Ceculski wrote:  >>4 >>>I have one on order to test ... they are awesome! >>> 0 >>>http://www.midcomdata.com/terminal/planar.htm >>G >>Pardon me Bob, but how do you know they are awesome _before_ you have  >>tested one?  >> >>:-)  >  > 6 > because I talked to our sales rep who referred me to5 > someone who uses them now and he said they are, and # > from what I heard, I agree ... :)   6 I still have one bridge, second hand one carefull lady owner.  , Please apply at london-bridge-auctions.co.uk     Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 18:39:20 +0000 (UTC)3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> U Subject: Cockadoodledoo! (Was: Re: User-written system service, how to protect data?) 2 Message-ID: <c2l30n$4ru$1@hercules.btinternet.com>   On 08/03/2004 20:43 Hoff wrote:   I > I tell you I don't know this VMS that you speak of; I am not one of its 
 followers!  L As far as the original poster goes: Your main problem is you are programmingL in C where memory allocation appears to be a complete mystery to most peopleH including the authors of the UWSS examples in sys$examples on Alpha. NowK because C is a piece o' shit for User-written System Services you should be L using the MACRO-32 compiler but you'll quickly find that this is anathema toH the nanny-state revisionists that have poisoned the well at VMS for many? years. If you think I'm being paranoid and delusional about VMS K engineering's Fahrenheit 451 approach to MACRO programming then show me the G MACRO examples in sys$examples: Go on! Get on your VAX and do a $DIR of J examples and its sub-directories for .MAR and then compare to what you getL on Alpha. Don't worry, I'm sure all of "The Disappeared" will be returned to their loved ones on Itanium.   Cheers Richard Maher   PS. Device Driver my arse!    . Hoff Hoffman <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote in message) news:4b53c.440$xC.436@news.cpqcorp.net... H > In article <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403031556100.5032@jaipur.local>, Ryan Moore" <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org> writes:I > :We have an application where I'm exploring using a user-written system K > :service.  The overall problem I'm trying to solve is that we're making a K > :change to our programming libraries where whenever we use one of our I/O F > :calls, we need to get a system lock so that the library can do someE > :new synchronization (needed across all users, across the cluster).  > @ >   I'll assume this is because you need to have the lock across >   multiple UICs. > K > :Anyway, we have lots of programs that will use our library.  And we want K > :to let non-prived users run these programs.  But you need SYSLCK priv in C > :order for our library routine to get the lock we need.  So every L > :program will need to be installed with SYSLCK.  That's not going to work.I > :Instead, I want to write user-written system services that will handle  the 2 > :lock routines on behalf of the I/O routines.... > ? >   Do remember that I/O channels can be mode-specific; you can 0 >   open channels with the access mode argument. > H > :The problem I'm having is that these lock routines will need to store someG > :context information (like the lockID, etc.) that is private to these K > :priveleged routines.  I want to protect this context data from user-mode 
 > :access.G > :        The LINKer manual says if I use the /PROTECT qualifier, then H > :all code and data in my shared image will be protected from user-modeH > :access.  This doesn't seem to be happening.  If I leak the pointer toJ > :the private data area out of my routines, I find I can still modify the > :structure from user-mode. > E >   The memory must be allocated with the proper protection -- if you B >   are in inner-mode, you can't call RTL services as a rule, onlyG >   system services.  (LINK/NOSYSLIB keeps this stuff out of the image, H >   and /SYSEXE brings in the kernel entry points and the kernel C API.) > C >   Put another way, where is the memory being allocated?  (In your @ >   case, look at using static or similar storage, as I'd expect? >   such would be protected against write access.  Storage that < >   is stack-local to the user-mode code isn't protected...) > @ >   You could also use $expreg, with the appropriate protection.@ >   There are also kernel-mode routines that can allocate memoryB >   for you.  (The "fun" here is the clean-up on the way out, lest! >   you implement a memory leak.)  > < > :If I can't do this, then how can these protected routinesC > :store context information privately that cannot be accessed from 
 > :user-mode?  > D >   I tend to use pseudo-drivers for this application, and typicallyB >   not User-Written System Services -- the UWSS stuff works quiteB >   nicely, but I've found the driver API works just as well.  AndB >   particularly if you keep most of -- all of? -- the code in theD >   FDT, and you can also get useful storage in the UCB...  You alsoC >   get a nice API for protecting your code; the $qio[w]-based API.  >  > ( >  ---------------------------- #include' <rtfaq.h> ----------------------------- 3 >     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ --  www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq , >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion --------------------------- G >         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 21:05:36 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGY Subject: Re: Cockadoodledoo! (Was: Re: User-written system service, how to protect data?) 0 Message-ID: <00A2E978.D57DBF99@SendSpamHere.ORG>  h In article <c2l30n$4ru$1@hercules.btinternet.com>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:  >On 08/03/2004 20:43 Hoff wrote: > J >> I tell you I don't know this VMS that you speak of; I am not one of its >followers!  > M >As far as the original poster goes: Your main problem is you are programming M >in C where memory allocation appears to be a complete mystery to most people I >including the authors of the UWSS examples in sys$examples on Alpha. Now L >because C is a piece o' shit for User-written System Services you should beM >using the MACRO-32 compiler but you'll quickly find that this is anathema to I >the nanny-state revisionists that have poisoned the well at VMS for many @ >years. If you think I'm being paranoid and delusional about VMSL >engineering's Fahrenheit 451 approach to MACRO programming then show me theH >MACRO examples in sys$examples: Go on! Get on your VAX and do a $DIR ofK >examples and its sub-directories for .MAR and then compare to what you get M >on Alpha. Don't worry, I'm sure all of "The Disappeared" will be returned to  >their loved ones on Itanium.  >  >Cheers Richard Maher  >  >PS. Device Driver my arse!   * Well said and filed in my archive Richard.  B FYI, I'll be in London 9-12 July.  Let's try to link up this trip.     --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:34:01 GMT ( From: Phaeton   <spameater@spam.invalid>1 Subject: Re: DCL Tip: getting NBS time (sortable) 8 Message-ID: <Jp73c.3020$KS1.142210@nasal.pacific.net.au>  ' Jan-Erik S?derholm <aaa@aaa.com> wrote:  > JF Mezei wrote:  >  >> $   systime = f$time() " >> $   systime = f$cvtime(systime)< >> $   systime = systime - "-" - "-" - "-" - ":" - ":" - "."= >> $   systime = "''f$edit(systime, "TRIM,UPCASE,COLLAPSE")'"  >> $!  >  > Or a little shorter :  >  > $   systime = f$cvtime(); > $   systime = systime - "-" - "-" - "-" - ":" - ":" - "." < > $   systime = "''f$edit(systime, "TRIM,UPCASE,COLLAPSE")'" > O >> (and on An allmighty Microvax II, it also garantees a unique file name since Q >> it takes more than a millisecond to execute, so the next time around, the time # >> is garanteed to be different :-)  > 5 > Have to be "more then 10 ms", to be unique, right ?    	Or even shorter :  F 	systime = "''f$edit(f$cvtime(),"TRIM,COLLAPSE")'"-"-"-"-"-":"-":"-"."  , 	( "UPCASE" can be omitted in this case... ) 							Cheers,   Csaba  J  -------------------------------------------------------------------------H   CSABA I. 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[N]:   #  Rhode's Corollary to Hoare's Law : A   Inside every complex and unworkable program is a useful routine  	   struggling to be free.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 01:07:11 GMT & From: G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com>/ Subject: Re: Digital Personal workstation 600au 8 Message-ID: <om5q401scs2h30acmhb2rn4jhv92l72mad@4ax.com>  B On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 06:37:53 GMT, G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com> wrote:  - OK  well I found a generic SCSI CD at work...   - Does anyone have an idea what is wrong now???      boot dka600 -flags 0,0     boot dka600.6.0.11.0  2   block 0 of dka600.6.0.11.0 is a valid boot block*   reading 1134 blocks from dka600.6.0.11.0   bootstrap code read in  .   base=1d8000 image_start=-, Image_bytes=8dc00   Initializing HWRPBat 2000 #   Initializing page table at 1CA000    Initializing machine state!   Setting affinity to primary CPU    Jumping to bootstrap code   0   OpenVMS Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3-2@   c Copywrite 1976-2003 Hewlett-Packard Development Company L.P.  B   %EXECINIT-F-LOADERR, Error loading EXCEPTION, status = 0001380F4     halted CPU 0    
   halt code 5    HALT instruction executed    PC=ffffffff8329a0d8      Thanks in advance!!!   Gary     >I hope someone can help me....  >  >I have two questions....  > G >I  have a Digital Personal Workstation 600au that I would like to like D >to put VMS on.  I had NT on it and I changed it over to SRM and set >the following Parameters  >  >boot_osflags "" >auto_action halt  >OS_type OpenVMS >Bootdef_dev dka0  > @ >I have the following devices on the machine after a show device >  >DKA0		RZ1CB-BS			0818 >DKA300	COMPAQ BD018635C4		B017 # >DQA0		TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-6202B	1110  >DVA0  >EWA0  >PKA0		mac address >PQA0		SCSI Bus IS 7 >PQA0		PCI EIDE  >PQB0		PCI EIDE  >  > C >WHen put the 7.3.-2 CD into the machine and boot with the command   >  >boot -flags 0,0 dka0  > # >I get the following on the screen:  >  >     boot dqa0.0.0.4.0 2 >     block 0 of dqa0.0.04.0 is a valid boot block* >     reading 1134 blocks from dqa0.0.04.0 >     bootstrap code read in  1 >     base=1d800 image_start=-, Image_bytes=8dc00  >     Initializing HWRPBat 2000 ' >     Initializing page table at 1CA000   >     Initializing machine state% >     Setting affinity to primary CPU  >     Jumping to bootstrap code  > 4 >     OpenVMS Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3-2D >     c Copywrite 1976-2003 Hewlett-Packard Development Company L.P. > F >     INIT_IO_DB-F-CFG_DEV_NOT_FOUND, a device onthe boot line, or in 3 >     Boot_Dev cannot be found in the config tables  > > >    -console pathname IDE 0 4 0 0 0 0 0, ID=00000000.06461095 > 9 >    Ignoring the device, and not loading the boot driver  > > >    OpenVMS Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3-2 - BUGCHECK > F >and thent he system trys to write a Dump to the disk and of course itD >cannot.  It looks like it is in an infinet loop since it just keeps! >tring to boot until I power down  > F >Is my problem, that 7.3-1 does not support this machine??????  If not >what am I doing wrong?? >  > E >THe version of VMS that I really want on this machine is 7.2-1 since C >our 3 alphas are running 7.2.-1 but we cannot find the CD's in the D >office.  Does anyone have an ISO image they can send me or point me >to? >  >Thanks in advance >  >Gary Henry    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 00:15:12 +0000 7 From: David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> / Subject: Re: Digital Personal workstation 600au * Message-ID: <404E5E10.8050803@bigpond.com>   G Henry espoused: D > On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 06:37:53 GMT, G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com> > wrote: > / > OK  well I found a generic SCSI CD at work...  > / > Does anyone have an idea what is wrong now???  >  >   boot dka600 -flags 0,0 >  >   boot dka600.6.0.11.0  4 >   block 0 of dka600.6.0.11.0 is a valid boot block, >   reading 1134 blocks from dka600.6.0.11.0 >   bootstrap code read in  0 >   base=1d8000 image_start=-, Image_bytes=8dc00 >   Initializing HWRPBat 2000 % >   Initializing page table at 1CA000  >   Initializing machine state# >   Setting affinity to primary CPU  >   Jumping to bootstrap code  > 2 >   OpenVMS Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3-2B >   c Copywrite 1976-2003 Hewlett-Packard Development Company L.P. > D >   %EXECINIT-F-LOADERR, Error loading EXCEPTION, status = 0001380F4 >    $ exit %X1380f4 > %LOADER-F-NO_SUCH_IMAGE, the requested image cannot be located  C try "boot dka600 -flags 0,20000" to see more detail during the boot    >   halted CPU 0   >  >   halt code 5  >   HALT instruction executed  >   PC=ffffffff8329a0d8  >  > Thanks in advance!!! >  > Gary   Regards, Dave.  --  I David B Sneddon (dbs)    VMS Systems Programmer     dbsneddon@bigpond.com I Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/ I DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm I "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennon    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2004 07:56:31 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) I Subject: Re: Error message: Failed to translate SYS$CLUSTER_NODE_FULLNAME 3 Message-ID: <urO3kyAL2OAe@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <1d08b916.0403082355.65a1ea73@posting.google.com>, mb301@hotmail.com (MB) writes:- > Could anyone tell me what this error means?  > O > 07:49:30 WARNING!! Failed to translate SYS$CLUSTER_NODE_FULLNAME. Status: 1BC   '    $write sys$output f$message("%x1bc") ,    %SYSTEM-F-NOLOGNAM, no logical name match >  > $ sh log SYS$CLUSTER_NODE_* D > %SHOW-S-NOTRAN, no translation for logical name SYS$CLUSTER_NODE_*  =    That's consistent.  Is there some product that realy needs     SYS$CLUSTER_NODE_FULLNAME?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 23:05:29 +0100. From: "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@siol.net> Subject: Re: EVA disk storage 1 Message-ID: <Qcr3c.6146$%x4.773085@news.siol.net>   K "Michael Austin" <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com> wrote in message < news:23Q1c.3569$lP1.1220868226@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...J > So, back to my original question.  Does the Lightning truely work -- and$ > perform well in the OpenVMS space. > J > Quite frankly, I tend to take Gartner with a a grain of salt - more like > a salt block...  >  > Michael Austin >      Look at ] http://www.hp.com/products1/storage/products/disk_arrays/highend/xpoperatingsystem/index.html   ! OpenVMS is supported on xp boxes.    Best, Gorazd  
 Gorazd Kikelj  Hewlett-Packard  HP Services  Customer Engineer    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 16:14:41 -0500 + From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@intel.com>   Subject: Re: Fortran 9x for VAX?8 Message-ID: <3cop4091vkj7c31l0v2ss0o70noqb5o0k3@4ax.com>  J On 8 Mar 2004 14:43:08 -0600, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:   D >   I thought I remembered an option for Fortran 9x on a VAX runningG >   VMS.  I can only find the SPD for Fortran 77.  Maybe I got it mixed  >   up with HPO. > H >   Anyone know if there is a Fortran 9x compiler for VAXen running VMS?  L I can tell you with certainty that DEC/Compaq never produced one and I'd betI quite a bit that HP never will.  I am also unaware of anyone else who has B offered such a thing, but it is a big world...  I suppose g95 is a possibility...       Steve Lionel Software Products Division Intel Corporation 
 Nashua, NH  8 User communities for Intel Software Development Products"   http://softwareforums.intel.com/ Intel Fortran Support 7   http://developer.intel.com/software/products/support/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 13:28:00 -0800 , From: Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com>  Subject: Re: Fortran 9x for VAX?+ Message-ID: <c2ioh0$utb$1@news01.intel.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:  E >    I thought I remembered an option for Fortran 9x on a VAX running H >    VMS.  I can only find the SPD for Fortran 77.  Maybe I got it mixed >    up with HPO.  > I >    Anyone know if there is a Fortran 9x compiler for VAXen running VMS?   E      DEC/Compaq/HP never ported the VMS Fortran 90/95 compile to VAX. > It is Alpha-only (or perhaps now, Alpha- and Itanium-only :-).   	-Ken  --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 00:13:03 +0100 , From: Toon Moene <toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl>  Subject: Re: Fortran 9x for VAX?5 Message-ID: <404cfd3a$0$3680$4d4ebb8e@news.nl.uu.net>    Steve Lionel wrote:   L > On 8 Mar 2004 14:43:08 -0600, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob > Koehler) wrote:   D >>  I thought I remembered an option for Fortran 9x on a VAX runningG >>  VMS.  I can only find the SPD for Fortran 77.  Maybe I got it mixed  >>  up with HPO. >>H >>  Anyone know if there is a Fortran 9x compiler for VAXen running VMS?  N > I can tell you with certainty that DEC/Compaq never produced one and I'd betK > quite a bit that HP never will.  I am also unaware of anyone else who has D > offered such a thing, but it is a big world...  I suppose g95 is a > possibility...  G I do not know off-hand what the current status of the VAX/VMS port is,  G at the moment, but one of the reasons to keep it alive was the GNU Ada  G compiler (GNAT).  So it might still work in GCC 3.5 (the first release  + with GNU Fortran 95).  Ask gcc@gcc.gnu.org.    --  G Toon Moene - mailto:toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl - phoneto: +31 346 214290 6 Saturnushof 14, 3738 XG  Maartensdijk, The NetherlandsG Maintainer, GNU Fortran 77: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/g77_news.html @ GNU Fortran 95: http://gcc.gnu.org/fortran/ (under construction)   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:15:52 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)  Subject: Re: Fortran 9x for VAX?$ Message-ID: <c2iur8$ani$1@online.de>  E In article <3cop4091vkj7c31l0v2ss0o70noqb5o0k3@4ax.com>, Steve Lionel ! <Steve.Lionel@intel.com> writes:    L > On 8 Mar 2004 14:43:08 -0600, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob > Koehler) wrote:  > F > >   I thought I remembered an option for Fortran 9x on a VAX runningI > >   VMS.  I can only find the SPD for Fortran 77.  Maybe I got it mixed  > >   up with HPO. > > J > >   Anyone know if there is a Fortran 9x compiler for VAXen running VMS? > N > I can tell you with certainty that DEC/Compaq never produced one and I'd betK > quite a bit that HP never will.  I am also unaware of anyone else who has D > offered such a thing, but it is a big world...  I suppose g95 is a > possibility...  F There was once a product from Pacific Sierra Research or some company I with a similar name which converted Fortran90 source code to VAX FORTRAN  C code, I believe via (at least) DCL.  The VAX FORTRAN code was then  @ compiled.  (The approach is somewhat similar to various Fortran G "compilers" which convert the source code to another language and then  D compile that.)  I don't think it was ever a "mature product" though.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 19:04:16 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>e0 Subject: Re: He's Got the Whole World on His VAX0 Message-ID: <ZumdnYioFIZ2lNDdRVn-jQ@comcast.com>  G I seem to recall that from a DECUS symposium in the 90's.  The RSX SIG ,L processed into the the MAGIC session singing "He's go slow crud on his VAX".  E Although I think anyone who had to use the task builder on RSX had a r1 hell of a nerve complainging about slow anything!U     John Robin Devany wrote:   > Hello comp.os.vms world. >tG > I've been out of VMS for some years, but I recall a song about VAXen  C > sung to the same tune as "He's Got the Whole World in His Hands".  > J > I'm trying to get hold of a complete copy of the words. I found some at: >o- > http://www.poppyfields.net/filks/00199.html  >eE > But I remember a version that had more lines in it. Something like:  >h+ > He's got hurkle and adventure on his vax,5- > a couple of lines I can't remember, then... * > He's got performance problems on his vax >a3 > Could any kind soul out there point me at a copy.l >t > Thanks & regards >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:09:09 +0000p9 From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com>u& Subject: Re: Intel releases 64bit Xeon' Message-ID: <404CFD15.7050502@su_n.com>    Rick Jones wrote:SR > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >  >>Rick Jones wrote:i >>F >>>And just how many I/O slots did Sun use on their V20z SPECweb99_SSL0 >>>benchmark?-) Or on SPECint for that matter :) >  > D >>None but then as you know perfectly well Web serving is not likely/ >>to be an area where PCI expansion is requiredP >  > G > Modulo the add-on PCI hardware crypto cards used in Sun's SPARC-basedr > SSL benchmarks :)  >   B Ahh well that would be where you are wrong because the Cryptoserve@ 500 board used in the latest SPECweb benchmark isn't a PCI card,@ it plugs into a crypto accelerator slot on the V2XX motherboard.  ? Plug it in and hey presto you still have the same number of PCIh slots as you started off with.   > rick jones > D > And btw, speaking of PCI cards going back and looking again at the@ > hsPCI description, I do see where I missed that there were twoE > controllers on each I/O board and so each bus was single-slot.  So, G > instead of getting 12.3 GB/s on that table scan out of what I thought4E > was a 13.5 GB limit (90+%), it was 12.3 out of the 27 GB (not quiteV > 50%).  >   $ As I said the problem was you maths.  > And let us know when you manage to better the throughput test.   Regards8 Andrew Harrisona   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 00:32:40 GMT & From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>& Subject: Re: Intel releases 64bit Xeon/ Message-ID: <Ig83c.470$i%.465@news.cpqcorp.net>m  : Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote: > Rick Jones wrote:bH >> Modulo the add-on PCI hardware crypto cards used in Sun's SPARC-based >> SSL benchmarks :)  D > Ahh well that would be where you are wrong because the CryptoserveB > 500 board used in the latest SPECweb benchmark isn't a PCI card,B > it plugs into a crypto accelerator slot on the V2XX motherboard.  C Which IIRC, happens to be a "PCI" connection. Just not one that has:( direct access to the outside of the box.  H http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Devices/Communication/COMM_TOC.html  F Regardless, there are also the Netra 20 and 280R SPECweb99_SSL results that used the Crypto 1000 card.-  
 rick jones -- p? Process shall set you free from the need for rational thought.  F these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...p   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 21:08:16 +0000 9 From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> & Subject: Re: Intel releases 64bit Xeon0 Message-ID: <c2lbo2$325$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rick Jones wrote: < > Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote: >  >>Rick Jones wrote:b >>H >>>Modulo the add-on PCI hardware crypto cards used in Sun's SPARC-based >>>SSL benchmarks :) >  > D >>Ahh well that would be where you are wrong because the CryptoserveB >>500 board used in the latest SPECweb benchmark isn't a PCI card,B >>it plugs into a crypto accelerator slot on the V2XX motherboard. >  > E > Which IIRC, happens to be a "PCI" connection. Just not one that haso* > direct access to the outside of the box. >   3 Of course the I/O architecture is based arround PCIo3 however as I said it does not use a PCI slot so you 1 end up with as many conventional PCI slots as youS
 started with.n s J > http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Devices/Communication/COMM_TOC.html > H > Regardless, there are also the Netra 20 and 280R SPECweb99_SSL results! > that used the Crypto 1000 card.e >   9 Well of course, the Netra 20 and the 280R are older boxes 9 and don't support the crypto plugin. They are also slower  and more expensive.A   > rick jones  ? BTW you may also have noticed the addtional mistake you made onf1 the F15K I/O throughput test or maybe you didn't.a  ? The system tested had a maximum I/O bandwidth of 14200 MB/s nota; 27000 MB/s this is because it had 71 x 200MB/s FC HBA's. We : could of course use newer 2 port HBA's this would increase< our available I/O bandwidth but not by a factor of 2 because+ 1 HBA in every 4 would be in a 33 Mhz slot.   : Perhaps you have now worked out how Sun calculated its I/O8 throughput numbers for the F25K ? Rather more scientific7 than the I/O bridge peak throughpu x 16 as in the Dome.   ; Perhaps its also time to draw a line under what seems to be ; becoming an increasing unhappy discussion as far as you area
 concerned.   Regardsr Andrew Harrisons   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:48:37 -0600s@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net># Subject: Re: Is DISK a new command?n6 Message-ID: <404E65E5.4CAB764C@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Joseph Huber wrote:  > V > In article <c2gf9f$2heb$1@alpha2.radio-msu.net>, "pbc" <pbc@informchaos.com> writes:
 > > $ DISK > >oD > > I expect to get a graphical display of current disk utilization: > > B > Such a command does not exist, and I can't find something in the( > System Manager's MANUAL supposing one. > ? > What exists in several versions on VMS SIG "tapes", freeware,o3 > or dcl.openvms.org, are command files doing that.k> > Put them as DISK.COM into Your DCL$PATH, then DISK does what
 > You expect.n > 6 > If not found elsewhere, take the one from my system:5 >   http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/util_root/com/disk.comu > D > It bears no author name, I corrected it to work with  big volumes.  C Hhmmm... Cute! Maybe it should be modified to handle volume-sets...h   -- w David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/b   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2004 06:59:54 GMTs2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow># Subject: Re: Is DISK a new command?v5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-ygIF3QbXvL4P@localhost>h  C On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 17:39:09 UTC, "pbc" <pbc@informchaos.com> wrote:   2 > NO. This is different command that MONITOR DISK. >   C Just out of curiosity, if you enter SHOW SYMBOL DISK what does VMS  	 tell you?p   --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2004 09:52:16 +0100 ' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)1# Subject: Re: Is DISK a new command?-+ Message-ID: <qZCiYfqScbgu@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>!  T In article <c2gf9f$2heb$1@alpha2.radio-msu.net>, "pbc" <pbc@informchaos.com> writes: > $ DISK > B > I expect to get a graphical display of current disk utilization: > @ Such a command does not exist, and I can't find something in the& System Manager's MANUAL supposing one.  = What exists in several versions on VMS SIG "tapes", freeware,"1 or dcl.openvms.org, are command files doing that.9< Put them as DISK.COM into Your DCL$PATH, then DISK does what You expect.n  4 If not found elsewhere, take the one from my system:3   http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/util_root/com/disk.comw  B It bears no author name, I corrected it to work with  big volumes.  i -- n>    Joseph "Sepp" Huber, Muenchen   http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2004 11:19:51 -0800 . From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)/ Subject: Is time to have Alpha/Itanium Blades ? = Message-ID: <f30679fb.0403091119.59dde164@posting.google.com>/   Click/  1 http://news.com.com/2100-1010-5171648.html?tag=nld    C Looks like IBM is winning the blade race with their PowerPC blades. " Why not Alpha or Itanium blades ?    Regards    FC   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 01:32:43 GMTc% From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com>n3 Subject: Re: Is time to have Alpha/Itanium Blades ?s7 Message-ID: <%eu3c.3985$4B1.3287@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>a  H I need my Alphaserver to have Multiple Fibre Channel and IP connections.I Something that most of our existing Bladeservers do not require.  This is J also the reason that I do not buy the "L" version of Alphaservers.  I needH the internal PCSI slots that you are missing on the 10L.  I suppose thatH with the ISCSI Router/Bridge or FCIP protocols, you can do Fibre channelJ through your network IP connection.  That would mean that I need 5 networkE ports/connections in my Alphaserver, and it will not be as fast as ano
 internal HBA.g  K We were buying racks of Dell servers for a couple of years, and we have nowyK turned to 2 different styles of the HP bladeservers.  48 per rack where you6H need mirrored 36GB disks, or a 3U shelf that holds 20 some blades with aJ small internal drive. (No redundancy)  I have not seen anything on the IBMG blades, but I bet that if they were that price competitive, we would ben< using them instead of the HP blades that we are using today.  9 Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in messageu7 news:f30679fb.0403091119.59dde164@posting.google.com...e > Click  >I3 > http://news.com.com/2100-1010-5171648.html?tag=nlC >o >IE > Looks like IBM is winning the blade race with their PowerPC blades.h# > Why not Alpha or Itanium blades ?s >e	 > Regardsn >h > FC   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 07:56:51 -0500; From: "Island Computers USA" <dbturner@islandco.com.nospam>u7 Subject: Looking for: SWCC ver: 2.5 client software kitl0 Message-ID: <104rff8mviu759d@news.supernews.com>  F If anyone has a copy of this please let me know on the following email addressh  3 david@islandco.nospam.com (remove no spam in reply)w --   David B Turner Island Computers US CorporationR 2700 Gregory St., Suite 1800 Savannah GA 31404- Tel: 912 447 6622l Fax: 912 201 0402    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 22:45:56 GMTg0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>! Subject: Re: Non-blocking connect-= Message-ID: <EI63c.93908$Wa.56821@news-server.bigpond.net.au>   J As Bob mentioned, select() is typically used for handling non-blocking IO.L If you are writing this specifically for VMS, then of course the asynch $QIOG method is preferrable to select(), epseically if you are handling larges numbers of connections.m  E If you are using TCP/IP Services, take a look at TCPIP$EXAMPLES.  ForeI select() usage, see the TCPIP$ECHO_SERVER_PLUS.C code.  There are severall $QIO examples also.o   Matt.n   -- u= -------------------------------------------------------------c OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Companyn Gold Coast, AUSTRALIA = -------------------------------------------------------------     H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:cgnt8mB7KWTE@eisner.encompasserve.org...o> > In article <8a3b834.0403080829.37dc5365@posting.google.com>,/ bhushann@hotmail.com (Bhushan Narkhede) writes:oD > > Immediately after issuing the non-blocking call we can check theI > > errno. But if down in the code, say after 100 lines, we need to chech J > > if the connect() is complete/failed or still in progress, how do we do > > this on VMS 7.x OS.8 > >-* > > I am not aware of this on unix either. >aC >    In the general habit of eunichs, if you can do it then it mustcE >    be via select().  Since this is a socket you can use select() on- >    VMS, too. >a   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 10:06:21 +0100  From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>P Subject: Re: OpenVMS virus proof while other disks get zapped by latest viruses!- Message-ID: <c2k1ec$285t$1@news.cybercity.dk><   Bill Gunshannon wrote:2 > In article <c2hpmp$mtb$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>,# > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy 1 > <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:s >>H >> Ahhhhhhhhemmmmm so what hosts the Windows Browser Bob ???????????????F >> Could the Windows Browser be running on something running "Windows" >> perhaps ??????????????? >aE > That was my point.  But apparently people here think "thin clients"eC > somehow run Windows apps without having Windows anywhere in their / > enterprise. It must all be smoke and mirrors.f >   H No, there are some that run some version of the PocketPC OS (not windowsH last time I looked).  Excuse me for not knowing the name of this OS thisL week, but it is the one MS is flogging for mobile devices, PDAs and at least" for a while (still?) thin clients.  1 I have no clue if Bob uses these, but they exist.e  	 Dr. Dweebl   > bill   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2004 07:44:42 -0600e; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)oP Subject: Re: OpenVMS virus proof while other disks get zapped by latest viruses!3 Message-ID: <QoYxQoqbVmrW@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  P In article <c2k1ec$285t$1@news.cybercity.dk>, "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>F >> That was my point.  But apparently people here think "thin clients"D >> somehow run Windows apps without having Windows anywhere in their0 >> enterprise. It must all be smoke and mirrors. >> > J > No, there are some that run some version of the PocketPC OS (not windowsJ > last time I looked).  Excuse me for not knowing the name of this OS this > week      Windows CE.  QED.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:15:16 +0800a/ From: "Yong Boon, Lim" <limyb@megasteel.com.my>t/ Subject: Ping Between OpenVMS and Digital Unix?l) Message-ID: <c2mbec$r4$1@news4.jaring.my>   	 Dear Sir,n  2    Sorry that l didn't mention the version........      For OpenVMS v7.1-2 with UCX       IP : 192.168.2.2       Subnet :  255.255.255.0@      For Digital Unix 4n       IP : 191.1.2.2       Subnet : 255.255.255.0  I    So l've done the below configuration on both OpenVMS and Digital Unix,o i.e.
       OpenVMS 6          UCX> set route 191.1.2.2 /gateway=192.168.2.2        Digital Unixs3           # route add -host 192.168.2.2 191.1.2.2 1m  7     At the end, l still can't "see" each others........l  I     So what configuration required in order to "see" each other in a SAMEh physical(     network WITHOUT IP route or Gateway?  I     One of them suggests me to add another logical IP which have the same 
 class withA     its opponent.....is there any better way other than that? Anyi disadvantage of using E     dual IP on single server? How do add logical IP on Digital Unix??i      Thank you in advance!   Regards, Yong Boon, Lim        9 Matt Muggeridge <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com> wrote in message 7 news:w062c.88733$Wa.36907@news-server.bigpond.net.au...sL > You don't mention what version of TCP/IP.  This should work on V5.* on the > VMS side:o >n* >     $ @sys$manager:tcpip$define_commands- >     $ route add -net 191.1.2/24 192.168.3.2n > D > On UNIX side (you don't mention which UNIX), something similar to: >s- >     $ route add -net 192.168.3/24 191.1.2.2n >t > Matt.i >( >e > --? > -------------------------------------------------------------I > OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering > Enterprise Computing Group > Hewlett-Packard Companya > Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAR? > -------------------------------------------------------------i >b >r< > "Yong Boon, Lim" <limyb@megasteel.com.my> wrote in message& > news:c29kte$5bm$1@news4.jaring.my... > > Friend,t > >aF > >     l've one OpenVMS server and one Unix server on SINGLE physical network  > > WITHOUT gateway in between.t1 > >     These systems have different subnet, i.e.n > >r > >     OpenVMSc > >         IP : 192.168.3.2" > >         Subnet : 255.255.255.0 > >k > >     Unix > >        IP : 191.1.2.2n! > >        Subnet : 255.255.255.0y > >tL > >    In order for both system to be able to "PING" each others, what exact) > > configuration (and command like Routen7 > >    or UCX Add Route?) should l add to both systems?d > >r > >     Thank in advance!s > >o > > Regards, > > Limk > >l > >h >s >m   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2004 12:01:01 -0800h& From: thomas.hahnemann@s-t.de (vmstom)A Subject: reopening sys$output and sys$error in a detached process.= Message-ID: <59607e25.0403091201.1e9a4bc5@posting.google.com>   ; Ive started a program written in C running on an DEC-Alpha 8 with vms. The program gets its sys$output and sys$error4 by run/detached/output=mylog.out/error=mylog.err ...7 It runs over years and to make the files not too big itt9 has to close them periodically. Unfortunatly I cannot see 4 any output from $putmsg called by exceptionhandlers.@ I use fclose( stdout ) and the stdout = fopen( "SYS$OUTPUT","w") and the same way for SYS$ERROR.d9 What can I do to receive $putmsg output in the logfiles ?h9 How do I get traceback info in my own exception handler ?c   Thanks   Thomas   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2004 19:21:53 -0800 1 From: usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer)lE Subject: Re: reopening sys$output and sys$error in a detached process-= Message-ID: <477e0934.0403091921.5f6e5cf8@posting.google.com>-  k thomas.hahnemann@s-t.de (vmstom) wrote in message news:<59607e25.0403091201.1e9a4bc5@posting.google.com>...-= > Ive started a program written in C running on an DEC-Alpha@: > with vms. The program gets its sys$output and sys$error6 > by run/detached/output=mylog.out/error=mylog.err ...9 > It runs over years and to make the files not too big it2; > has to close them periodically. Unfortunatly I cannot seej6 > any output from $putmsg called by exceptionhandlers.B > I use fclose( stdout ) and the stdout = fopen( "SYS$OUTPUT","w")! > and the same way for SYS$ERROR.   - use "freopen" instead of "fclose" and "fopen"p  ; > What can I do to receive $putmsg output in the logfiles ?p; > How do I get traceback info in my own exception handler ?e >   D This can be done.  It is undocumented, but depending on your serviceE contract with HP, they may tell you how to do it.  I know they showedtF us, but I'm not sure that we are allowed to disclose the information. B I'd rather err on the safe side.  Just ask your HP representative.  
 joshua lehrerf factset research systems NYSE:FDS   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 22:56:50 +0100m9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>n/ Subject: Re: SAMBA & Advanced Server - coexist? ' Message-ID: <404CEC22.95553FC7@aaa.com>p   John Brandon wrote:o > ? > Can SAMBA and Advanced Server coexist on the same VMS server?n  < As others have said, they can't share IP-ports, of course...   > $ > Anyone using SAMBA with VMS V7.3 ?   Sort of, 7.3-1.m   > Do you like it?    Yes.   > Problems with it?y   None specific... You get what you pay for :-)   Regards-	 Jan-Erik.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 08:02:10 -0500 - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> / Subject: Re: SAMBA & Advanced Server - coexist?t1 Message-ID: <WNKdnWXLOtLPXdDdRVn-jA@adelphia.com>e  
 PEN wrote:
 > Hi John, > 7 > "John Brandon" <brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote in messagea  ? >>Can SAMBA and Advanced Server coexist on the same VMS server?j >>M > No (and yes) :).    You can't have the SAMBA server and the Advanced ServernL > running on the same system (they both want to "listen" on the same UDP and
 > TCP ports).$  ? By default they use the same port.  SAMBA server can be easily sE configured to use alternate ports.  You can run several instances of "+ SAMBA using non-standard ports for testing.   @ But then you can only use SAMBA to communicate with other SAMBA & instances on those non-standard ports.  K > But I've used the SAMBA utilities (that one that lets you map an ftp-likeEN > connection to any other SMB server, in particular) while Advanced Server was > running...  H >>Anyone using SAMBA with VMS V7.3 ?  Do you like it?  Problems with it?  ? I have not run either SAMBA or Advanced Server for a few years.t   -John" wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlyr   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Mar 2004 05:07:32 GMT0 From: Chip Coldwell <coldwell@frank.harvard.edu> Subject: scanning the PCI bus / Message-ID: <c2m7qk$394$1@news.fas.harvard.edu>-  @ The system in question is a PWS600au running OpenVMS 7.3-1.  I'mE looking for a device on the PCI bus using ANALYZE/SYSTEM.  The method-? I'm following comes from the book "Writing OpenVMS Alpha Device]B Drivers in C" by Margie Sherlock and Leonard Szubowicz on page 2233 (Copyright 1996, so probably a little out of date).s  F The first step is to take a look at what's on the system using SYSMAN:   $ MCR SYSMAN SYSMAN> IO SHOW BUS7  1 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node ROGERj  : _Bus__________Node_TR#__Name____________Base CSR__________9   PCI           24   2    Unknown        FFFFFFFF8365400029   PCI           32   2    Unknown        FFFFFFFF83656000 =       XBUS          0    4    Mouse          FFFFFFFF8365A000 =       XBUS          1    4    Keyboard       FFFFFFFF8365A000 =       XBUS          2    4    Serial Port    FFFFFFFF8365A000a=       XBUS          3    4    Serial Port    FFFFFFFF8365A000o=       XBUS          4    4    Parallel Port  FFFFFFFF8365A000s=       XBUS          5    4    Floppy         FFFFFFFF8365A000 =       XBUS          6    4    Unknown device FFFFFFFF8365A000 =       XBUS          7    4    Unknown device FFFFFFFF8365A000p;     PCI           320  5    Unknown        FFFFFFFF8385E000t;     PCI           336  5    PCI/SCSI       FFFFFFFF83860000E  B The output above leads me to believe that there are at least threeD buses on my system, two PCI buses (doubtless linked by a PCI bridge)/ and an ISA bus bridged to one of the PCI buses.   @ The next step is to try to get the array of devices from the PCID buses.  According to my book, this requires some messing around with the system dump analyzer:   
 $ ANAL/SYS  " OpenVMS (TM) Alpha system analyzer  $ SDA> READ SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:SYSDEFH %SDA-I-READSYM, 10626 symbols read from SYS$COMMON:[SYS$LDR]SYSDEF.STB;1 SDA> FORMAT @IOC$GL_ADPLISTa   [ ... some output ... ]1  < FFFFFFFF.8144678C   ADP$L_LINK                      81446A00< FFFFFFFF.81446790   ADP$L_TR                        00000001< FFFFFFFF.81446794   ADP$L_ADPTYPE                   00000069   [ ... bunch more output ... ]m  @ My understanding from reading the book is that the global symbolD IOC$GL_ADPLIST contains the head of a linked list strung together by= the ADP$L_LINK field in each list element.  Each list element B corresponds to a system bus and we can associate the list elementsF with the buses listed by SYSMAN using the ADP$L_TR field, which shouldE contain the same number as the TR# column above.  The idea is to walkcF the linked list until you come to a list element whose ADP$L_TR numberE matches the bus your device is on.  So I did this, and I came up with E the following list elements (where only a few interesting fields from  each element are shown below):   IOC$GL_ADPLIST = 81446780i       81446780     ADP$L_LINK       81446A00h     ADP$L_TR         00000001s     ADP$L_ADPTYPE    00000069      ADP$PS_BUS_ARRAY 814468C0I       81446A00     ADP$L_LINK       81447380i     ADP$L_TR         00000002e     ADP$L_ADPTYPE    00000044      ADP$PS_BUS_ARRAY 81446C80t       81447380     ADP$L_LINK       814479C0s     ADP$L_TR         00000003t     ADP$L_ADPTYPE    00000047      ADP$PS_BUS_ARRAY 81447600l       814479C0     ADP$L_LINK       81448780d     ADP$L_TR         00000004?     ADP$L_ADPTYPE    00000048o     ADP$PS_BUS_ARRAY 81447C00M       81448780     ADP$L_LINK       00000000i     ADP$L_TR         00000005      ADP$L_ADPTYPE    00000044D     ADP$PS_BUS_ARRAY 81448A00n  F For every element of the linked list above (i.e. for every bus), thereE is an ADP$PS_BUS_ARRAY that should contain an array of devices on the1B bus.  Unfortunately, SDA FORMAT doesn't know what to do with these= device arrays, so you have to EXAMINE the memory and look foraE meaningful numbers.  In the case of the ISA bus (TR#4 above), you get  something that looks real:   SDA> EXAMINE 81447C00;128eK 00000015 06790280 00000000 814479C0  @yD.......y.....     FFFFFFFF.81447C00 K 00000045 53554F4D 00000000 0000000B  ........MOUSE...     FFFFFFFF.81447C100K 00000000 00000000 FFFFFFFF 8365A000  ..e.............     FFFFFFFF.81447C20 K 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000  ................     FFFFFFFF.81447C30rK 00000000 00000000 81447F40 0000000C  ....@.D.........     FFFFFFFF.81447C40HK FFFFFFFF 8365A000 00000000 0044424B  KBD.......e.....     FFFFFFFF.81447C50eK 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000001  ................     FFFFFFFF.81447C60 K 81448040 00000001 00000000 00000000  ............@.D.     FFFFFFFF.81447C702K 00000000 324D4F43 00000000 00000000  ........COM2....     FFFFFFFF.81447C80rK 00000001 00000002 FFFFFFFF 8365A000  ..e.............     FFFFFFFF.81447C90OK 54540041 00000000 00000000 814AA780  .'J.........A.TT     FFFFFFFF.81447CA0 K 00000000 00000000 81448240 00000003  ....@.D.........     FFFFFFFF.81447CB0aK FFFFFFFF 8365A000 00000000 00016450  Pd........e.....     FFFFFFFF.81447CC0hK 00000000 814AAA80 00000001 00000003  .........*J.....     FFFFFFFF.81447CD0sK 81448140 00000004 54540042 00000000  ....B.TT....@.D.     FFFFFFFF.81447CE0.K 00000000 3154504C 00000000 00000000  ........LPT1....     FFFFFFFF.81447CF0t  C First, you can see that the first longword is a pointer back to thenB corresponding ADP list element.  You can also see longword-alignedD values that look like legitimate pointers here, as well as the ASCII6 names of some of the devices (MOUSE, KBD, COM2, LPT1).  E Unfortunately, for the two PCI buses (TR#2 and TR#5) the situation iss
 different:   SDA> EXAMINE 81446C80;128eK 00000013 067904C0 00000000 81446A00  .jD.....@.y.....     FFFFFFFF.81446C80@K 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000015  ................     FFFFFFFF.81446C90   A Zeros suppressed from FFFFFFFF.81446CA0 through FFFFFFFF.81446D3Ft   SDA> EXAMINE 81448A00;128uK 00000013 06790740 00000000 81448780  ..D.....@.y.....     FFFFFFFF.81448A00 K 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000020   ...............     FFFFFFFF.81448A10m  A Zeros suppressed from FFFFFFFF.81448A20 through FFFFFFFF.81448B27t  F The first longword in each ADP$PS_BUS_ARRAY is still a pointer back toA the linked list element, but there's a big block of zeros where Ie( would expect to find the device entries.  E So my question is: has something changed since my book was published? E If so, is there another method of getting the interrupt vector offsets for a device on a PCI bus?   TIA,   Chip   -- . Charles  M. "Chip" Coldwell  "Turn on, log in, tune out"h   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2004 11:54:13 +0100 C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann)m< Subject: Re: sending file on internet through FTP on openVMS- Message-ID: <404da255$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>d  = In article <cb950e29.0403090231.55d7ee33@posting.google.com>, 0 shakeelj2k@yahoo.com (shakeel-ur-rehman) writes:D >I have Open VMS 7.1-2 running on an Alpha machine. The system has aD >UCX 4.2 and PPPD utility. I do have a US Robotics modem(external).I@ >need to know how to write DCL script to get the above utilities? >running( like running UCX,FTP,PPPD and modem configuration) to.F >accomplish described task. I have a TXT file placed in a directory ofG >Alpha machine.I want to read that file as input through  FTP software.FE >Then I would like that file to be sent through PPPD using dial-up toa6 >the ISP using TCP/IP software to send it on internet. >oA >I need DCL programme sequence/Pseudo code as actual code for the @ >implementation of the about task in open VMS 7.1-2 environment. >I  ( Try C-Kermit and it's script capability.   eberhard   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:59:36 GMT.( From: Phaeton   <spameater@spam.invalid>8 Subject: Re: Strange Device name...Anybody have ideas???8 Message-ID: <IN73c.3021$KS1.142545@nasal.pacific.net.au>  . PhilThayer <phillip_thayer@hotmail.com> wrote:p > "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message news:<vB03c.385$y8.8@news.cpqcorp.net>...% >> Indeed this is the USB controller.0 >> 09 >> "Roland Barmettler" <itsme@127.0.0.1> wrote in messageR2 >> news:20040308153850.13262b3c.itsme@127.0.0.1... >> > Hi Phil >> > >> > > SYS$OHCIDRIVER.EXEI >> >J >> > OHCI looks like an USB controller to me... does the system have USB ? >> > >> > Cheers, Rolandr >> > >> > --  >> > 3rd Law of Computing:$ >> >         Anything that can go wr% >> > Segmentation fault (core dumped)g >  > G > Yup.  It does have USB.  Where do I find the driver for this device?  G > Also, based on the discussion in one of the other threads, what can I # > use it for?  Just curious is all.d  ( 	On our VMS box(es), V7.3-1,  it is in :  , $DIR  SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:SYS$OHCIDRIVER.EXE   Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYS$LDR]  C SYS$OHCIDRIVER.EXE;1                   105  18-JUL-2002 20:01:40.08:   Total of 1 file, 105 blocks.  ) 	I presume it could be loaded...try it...r 							Cheers,  Csaba-  J  -------------------------------------------------------------------------H   CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  csabah(at)zipworld(dot)com(dot)auJ  -------------------------------------------------------------------------;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:   #  Rhode's Corollary to Hoare's Law : A   Inside every complex and unworkable program is a useful routinee 	   struggling to be free.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 22:34:38 GMTu# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>l Subject: Re: Sun On The Run?I Message-ID: <2Er3c.217339$Qg7.52824@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   F "Andrew Harrison" <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message* news:c2lbv7$32i$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... > Bob Koehler wrote: >aD > > In article <c2ivjq$6o1$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison+ <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> writes:9 > >A > >>Bob Koehler wrote: > >>C > >>Because if you get audited by them (which their contract allows9@ > >>them to do) you end up paying a premium for the unsubscribed > >>systems. > >>+ > >>That and its software piracy of course.  > >  > >aC > >    Piracy to use free software multiple times?  What Red Hat is-I > >    generally selling is a pre-configured copy of free software.  TheybH > >    may also be selling is support contracts.  Generally one does notJ > >    need multiple support contracts unless there is some possibility ofE > >    not demonstrating some problem on systems which are supported.e > >o4 > You really do need to read the contract because it5 > entirely refutes the theory you have just advanced.o >e" > Fred has kindly provided the URL >b  
 As I read it:r  C One Machine or part thereof, one License, one support contract. Twoo machines, double it, and so on.   . ..from A. General Terms and Conditions sectionF .....The term "Installed Systems" means the number of Systems on whichG Customer installs or executes the Software. The term "System" means any B hardware on which the Software is installed, which may be, withoutC limitation, a server, a work station, a virtual machine, a blade, a & partition or an engine, as applicable.  D 4. REPORTING AND AUDIT. If Customer wishes to increase the number ofE Installed System, then Customer will purchase from Red Hat additional . Services for each additional Installed System.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:27:37 +0000m9 From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com>n Subject: Re: Sun On The Run?0 Message-ID: <c2ivhb$6o1$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote:m > In article <Iz03c.384$oi.193@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes:u > M >>"Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>@= >>wrote in message news:c2i1p2$pob$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...  >> >>>Rob Young wrote:  >>>sJ >>>>In article <c2hpjr$mtb$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK >>= >>Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:r >> >>>>>Daryl Jones wrote:g >>>>C >>>RedHat AS which is what most customers end up with costs between < >>>$1499 and $2499 per year so on a cheap HP you add another >>>$4.5-$7.5K. >>>  >>N >>Here is a case where I agree with you (although you try to tie it to HP - itJ >>is really a Linux on any HW issue).  That is, many people think Linux isD >>"free" - which is of course nonsense unless you are using it as an >>individual hacker.   >  > D > 	I suspect that the "most" Andrew refers to is overblown.  I wouldD > 	guess "most" means RedHat ES at $750 per server per year.  That's@ > 	what we use.  The 40% savings the Auto guy referred to may beG > 	a mix and match of AS/ES (AS is a definite for business critical).   E > 	And 7x24 for the OSes I'm surrounded by sure is a bunch more than _< > 	$2499 per year.  Is OS support $2499 per year for a E15K? >   > Sorry but you lose again, ES only supports 2 CPU's and many of= the commercial app vendors don't both qualifing it so despites< its extreme similarity to AS most big corporates end up with AS across the board.  ? The desktop is a different issue because Linux is with whatevernB pricing model you chose way cheaper than the Windows alternatives.   > L >>So, Linux is "free" - it comes with your yearly support contract - which IG >>think will be the model you'll see the industry adopt to compete withaI >>Linux - low to non-existant up-front license, as part of a subscriptiong >>service agreement. >> >  >  > 	Free is a come-on.  wC > 	The value-ad is the bundling of freeware (Apache, etc.) and the oF > 	configuration tools that surround the bundle.  That's the reason to > 	go with a RedHat or a Suse. > B > 	Would be interesting to drill down and find out exactly how theC > 	TCO was determined for the whacking of Sun at the Auto place ande
 > 	others. >   < I dounbt it was at all scientific "Linux is free" after all.   Regardsi Andrew Harrison 	 > 				Robf >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:32:31 +0000i9 From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com>) Subject: Re: Sun On The Run?0 Message-ID: <c2ivqi$6te$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Daryl Jones wrote:   > Dear Andrew Harrison:r > F > I posted the article as informational about business as usual in theH > IT world. What happens to one company has happen to other companies inH > the past. DEC did it to IBM. DEC did it to EMC. IBM did it to DEC. SunG > did it to HP/Compaq/DEC. I am sure SUN has done it to IBM. I am stilleF > wondering what company chose IBM mainframes as servers over everyone! > else? Again: business as usual.  >   : So why did you have the strange notion that it would be ok4 to complain about my replying to your post ?????????  5 There are lots of rude words that could describe yourt5 last posting, lets just say it wasn't very clever andI leave it at that.n  D > Although, I did wonder how long it was going take before you would > start ranting. >   9 Really shame that you got a reasoned and factual response  back then wans't it.  C > Why don't you just relax! You do provide some good information atkD > times. A little less on beating the SUN drum would be appreciated. >    I am entirely relaxed.   Regardsn Andrew Harrisona   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:28:56 +0000 9 From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com>, Subject: Re: Sun On The Run?0 Message-ID: <c2ivjq$6o1$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:   > In article <c2i1p2$pob$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > B >>RedHat AS which is what most customers end up with costs between; >>$1499 and $2499 per year so on a cheap HP you add anotherS
 >>$4.5-$7.5K.) >> >  > 2 >    Why would I buy more than one copy of RedHat? > ? Because if you get audited by them (which their contract allowst< them to do) you end up paying a premium for the unsubscribed systems.  ' That and its software piracy of course.b   Regardso Andrew Harrisont   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:43:22 +0000 9 From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com>i Subject: Re: Sun On The Run?0 Message-ID: <c2j0es$72h$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  M > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> = > wrote in message news:c2i1p2$pob$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...S >  >>Rob Young wrote: >>I >>>In article <c2hpjr$mtb$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUKe > = > Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:  >  >>>>Daryl Jones wrote: >>>jB >>RedHat AS which is what most customers end up with costs between; >>$1499 and $2499 per year so on a cheap HP you add anotherh
 >>$4.5-$7.5K.  >> >  > N > Here is a case where I agree with you (although you try to tie it to HP - itJ > is really a Linux on any HW issue).  That is, many people think Linux isD > "free" - which is of course nonsense unless you are using it as anM > individual hacker.  The majority of commercial users buy Linux from sourcesuJ > such as Red Hat -- go to their web site and you will see that they offerM > their packaged versions of Linux as yearly subscription services that rangeo* > from a few hundred dollars to 5 figures. >   7 Actually I only mentioned HP because that they were the ; vendor Rob was comparing and contrasting with. This applies-" to any server side Linux platform.  L > So, Linux is "free" - it comes with your yearly support contract - which IG > think will be the model you'll see the industry adopt to compete withCI > Linux - low to non-existant up-front license, as part of a subscription2 > service agreement. >   ; There is a twist which is that you cannot use it unless you : pay support for it. Many commercial OS's give you an right: to use license that doesn't have a time limit, if you stop5 paying support this has no impact on you right to usen8 Solaris for example falls into this category as probably2 does HP-UX, not so commercial Linux distributions.     >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2004 16:32:49 -0700 1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)t Subject: Re: Sun On The Run?- Message-ID: <PNZxI8+PcSB9@malvm7.mala.bc.ca.>u  I In article <2Er3c.217339$Qg7.52824@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, *      "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:, >> >>That and its software piracy of course. >> > >> >D >> >    Piracy to use free software multiple times?  What Red Hat isJ >> >    generally selling is a pre-configured copy of free software.  TheyI >> >    may also be selling is support contracts.  Generally one does notnK >> >    need multiple support contracts unless there is some possibility of-F >> >    not demonstrating some problem on systems which are supported. >> >5 >> You really do need to read the contract because itn6 >> entirely refutes the theory you have just advanced. >># >> Fred has kindly provided the URL  >> >  > As I read it:s > E > One Machine or part thereof, one License, one support contract. Two0! > machines, double it, and so on.h >   @     If you read a little further you'll note a couple of things:  H  1.) You are signing a commercial agreement with RedHat that in exchangeD for taking their support services you agree not run their version ofF Linux on more machines than contracted for. RedHat further states thatD should you break this agreement their remedy is to void your serviceJ agreement ( and presumably keep whatever money you've paid them to date ).  C  2.) There are certain files ( logos and such apparently ) on theirKF distribution disk that are copyright by RedHat. You are not allowed toK redistribute those files ( thus you are not allowed to copy the CD verbatim_G and give copies away ). They acknowledge that you are free to give awayhC copies of the CD once you remove any of their copyrighted material.wL They state that simply deleting the copyrighted files may cause the software to fail.  C    So, technically, it's not "piracy" to use multiple copies of theaB software ( sans the RedHat logos, etc ), nor to distribute same toK anyone you wish. However you would be violating a contract if you installedlI the software on more systems than you paid support for. At the least thislC would void your service agreement and possibly RedHat could sue for-F damages beyond that - but you won't go to jail as a software "pirate".  Q There's probably nothing illegal about signing up for the service, getting a copysB of the software, cancelling the service, modifying the software toG remove RedHat copyright materials and then doing whatever you wish withhA the remaining product ( it's may be unethical, but not illegal ).   F  (disclaimer: the above is pure personal opinion and not legal advice,C I'm not a lawyer, don't play one on TV and don't even like to watchs" other people play lawyers on TV ).      P   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2004 07:47:55 -0600i; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Sun On The Run?3 Message-ID: <TaGqCm0TTdwl@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  l In article <c2ivjq$6o1$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> writes: > Bob Koehler wrote: > A > Because if you get audited by them (which their contract allowsa> > them to do) you end up paying a premium for the unsubscribed
 > systems. > ) > That and its software piracy of course.   ?    Piracy to use free software multiple times?  What Red Hat isbE    generally selling is a pre-configured copy of free software.  TheybD    may also be selling is support contracts.  Generally one does notF    need multiple support contracts unless there is some possibility ofA    not demonstrating some problem on systems which are supported.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:42:50 GMTh9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>r Subject: Re: Sun On The Run?0 Message-ID: <umn3c.504$hu1.107@news.cpqcorp.net>  I See: http://www.redhat.com/licenses/rhel_us_3.html?country=United+States&4  C RedHat doesn't actually sell you "Linux" so much as they sell you a F subscription service which includes the OS distribution as part of theL contract.  When you agree to the contract, you are agreeing to use what theyK provide *only* on the number of systems for which you have paid them to use L it on.  You also agree to allow them to do a yearly audit for the purpose ofJ compliance.  If you under report the number of systems, the penalty is 20%C of the fees on the under reported systems plus administrative fees.e  J If you want "free" get it from LINUX.ORG.  If you get it from a commercialI company - who after all is in it to make money - you are cheating them ifo9 you buy a single copy and install it on multiple systems.s  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageD news:kz93c.202973$Qg7.174144@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... >PH > "Andrew Harrison" <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message, > news:c2ivjq$6o1$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... > > Bob Koehler wrote: > >-L > > > In article <c2i1p2$pob$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK= > Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:A > > >-F > > >>RedHat AS which is what most customers end up with costs between? > > >>$1499 and $2499 per year so on a cheap HP you add anothere > > >>$4.5-$7.5K.@ > > >> > > >s > > >g6 > > >    Why would I buy more than one copy of RedHat? > > >cC > > Because if you get audited by them (which their contract allowsl@ > > them to do) you end up paying a premium for the unsubscribed > > systems. >h	 > Andrew,  > Do you have a url for that?c >  > tks. >c >e >)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 21:12:05 +0000 9 From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com>  Subject: Re: Sun On The Run?0 Message-ID: <c2lbv7$32i$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:  n > In article <c2ivjq$6o1$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> writes: >  >>Bob Koehler wrote: >>A >>Because if you get audited by them (which their contract allowsr> >>them to do) you end up paying a premium for the unsubscribed
 >>systems. >>) >>That and its software piracy of course.e >  > A >    Piracy to use free software multiple times?  What Red Hat is G >    generally selling is a pre-configured copy of free software.  TheymF >    may also be selling is support contracts.  Generally one does notH >    need multiple support contracts unless there is some possibility ofC >    not demonstrating some problem on systems which are supported.k > 2 You really do need to read the contract because it3 entirely refutes the theory you have just advanced.     Fred has kindly provided the URL   Regards  Andrew Harrisone   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 01:52:39 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>h? Subject: Re: The Inquirer:   HP re-thinking its IA-64 strategy?AI Message-ID: <Hr93c.145507$sl.100141@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message-# news:404CEEA7.98EC1DA7@istop.com...  > Didier Morandi wrote: G > > If i64 is dead, VMS is dead, and even if I do not want that, all my:	 passsion,r8 > > our passion for VMS will not do anything to save it. >s > I am not 100% sure of this.c >aH > In the scenario where HP and Intel make a joint announcement about the lack of.J > future for IA64, it is a safe bet that to save face, all 3 OSs targetted for @ > IA64 will be retargetted to the new platform. (VMS, HPUX, NSK) > K > In the scenario where HP acts as if nothing had happened and continues torK > claim IA64 has a bright future, then yes, VMS is in jeoperdy. Not becausen ofK > any actions by HP with regards to architecture, but rather because enough J > customers will stay away from IA64 systems that HP,s accountants will be ableH > to show that VMS is no longer generating profits and should be killed. >yB > One has to wait to see what happens between now and the official
 commercial > launch of VMS on IA64. >nK > There is still a window opened for HP to start to do serious marketing of- VMShK > on IA64. We'be become so desperate to see any marketing of VMS, that we'dlI > probably welcome that advertising even if is for a platform we dislike.d > F > Remember that it is "possible" that HP has purposely waited to start	 marketing L > VMS until it ran on one of its platforms. It may not have wanted to market a J > product running on a platform HP doesn't want to keep (especially if any saleL > of Alpha system is tied to a promise to supply a free IA64 hot air furnace > when it becomes available).c > J > Of course, it is perhaps more likely that the launch of VMS on IA64 will be ash# > invisible as VMS has been so far.l > L > However, if HP does go ahead to launch VMS on IA64 commercially later thisL > year, it will have officially runned out of excuses NOT to marklet VMS and anyUL > lack of marketing subsequent to the launch will be a clear indication that HPG > does not intend to leverage the big investment it made in VMS when it0 > purchased Compaq..    H If HP does decide to advertise VMS on IA-64, they will look at the orderK book after 1 week, decide that sales aren't overtaking Windows XP and Linux K combined, declare the campaign a failure and issue the already prepared EOLtJ announcement for VMS. At the end of the 5 year 'support' window, they willJ gather every single trace of VMS source code, however saved on tape, disk,L printout, fiche, etc.... and they will destroy it all rather release it into open source.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 01:58:14 GMT-# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>-? Subject: Re: The Inquirer:   HP re-thinking its IA-64 strategy?tH Message-ID: <Ww93c.202902$Qg7.7529@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  6 "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message! news:404CF2AA.1020104@MMaz.com...  > JF Mezei wrote:t >  > >Didier Morandi wrote: > >e > >bG > >>If i64 is dead, VMS is dead, and even if I do not want that, all my 	 passsion,:8 > >>our passion for VMS will not do anything to save it. > >> > >> > >S > >I am not 100% sure of this. > >II > >In the scenario where HP and Intel make a joint announcement about theo lack ofoK > >future for IA64, it is a safe bet that to save face, all 3 OSs targetteds fordA > >IA64 will be retargetted to the new platform. (VMS, HPUX, NSK)  > > L > >In the scenario where HP acts as if nothing had happened and continues to@ > >claim IA64 has a bright future, then yes, VMS is in jeoperdy. > >uE > Is that not what HP has already been doing for the past six months?18 > While the Opteron and Athlon64 are being acceptable asH > processor/platform alternatives, HP claims that it is nothing to worryF > about...  Intel now makes a nervous, reactionary move in response toC > AMD's successes, and HP still continues to pretend as if there iscG > nothing to worry about.  Does it take the canceling of IA64 before HPsH > even cautiously admits that they screwed up and should not have jumped$ > into bed with Intel on the Itanic?  K It's not that HP shouldn't have jumped into bed with Intel on IA64 - at the L outset 10+ years ago, Intel & HP had no idea how difficult the birth of IA64J would be. But they both had a real good idea of how bad it would be before June 25, 2001.     > >Not because ofeL > >any actions by HP with regards to architecture, but rather because enoughK > >customers will stay away from IA64 systems that HP,s accountants will beh ableI > >to show that VMS is no longer generating profits and should be killed.g > >lC > >One has to wait to see what happens between now and the officiall
 commercial > >launch of VMS on IA64.  > >u > >aF > No one here likes FUD.  Never the less, that is exactly what we haveH > here and how many people are willing to bet the ranch on VMS/IA64 whenH > it could become the next dead architecture before it even reaches it'sF > first birthday?  I certainly wouldn't make that gamble and I suspectJ > that smaller shops won't/can't either.  Yes, I know there are the GalaxyI > folks that may have to, or choose to, but the VMS populous at large?  Iu8 > don't know, just doesn't seem like a great idea to me.  L Companies will beely-up to further Alphaserver investments (new and used) inK order to make it through any capacity crisis, though I'm not sure what willoL happen to those users who need to cluster more than 96 GS1280's each with 96 processors.      >eL > >There is still a window opened for HP to start to do serious marketing of VMSeL > >on IA64. We'be become so desperate to see any marketing of VMS, that we'dJ > >probably welcome that advertising even if is for a platform we dislike. > >n > >jG > What?  HP use the "M" word with VMS, forget IA64, can anyone count onFG > more than one hand the number of non-Internet based market blitz that I > focused on VMS over the past twelve months?  More often than not, it isPI > VMS that is left off the marquee and if ever there was a time for HP to,G > dump good money after bad, I suspect that this would be it; They'd beeH > patterning themselves after Intel and the IA64.  Interesting parallel,C > no?  Anyway, I'd rather just see HP  MARKET VMS, to hell with them? > platform, just sell the OS, that would be an awesome start...A    K It would be just like going to an AA meeting for the first time - admitting 6 that you have a problem is the first step in the cure.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 22:17:16 -0500t* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Toys R Us and VMS ?) Message-ID: <404D3721.84409EC4@istop.com>n  L HP is currently airing ads about how Toys R Us is using HP technology to run1 the inventory control for its Times Square store.r  , I seem to recall Toys R Us being a VMS user.  L Does anyone know if Toys R us was in fact a big VMS user ? Is it still a VMS user ?  J *IF* the current TV ads was refering to a VMS system at Toys R Us (withoutI mentioning VMS, of course), then at least we could point to our potentialnR customers and tell them that the HP TV ads about that store refer to a VMS system.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2004 06:59:55 GMTw2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-zGZFDQWz3s7H@localhost>n  F On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 03:17:16 UTC, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>  wrote:  N > HP is currently airing ads about how Toys R Us is using HP technology to run3 > the inventory control for its Times Square store.h > . > I seem to recall Toys R Us being a VMS user. > N > Does anyone know if Toys R us was in fact a big VMS user ? Is it still a VMS > user ? > L > *IF* the current TV ads was refering to a VMS system at Toys R Us (withoutK > mentioning VMS, of course), then at least we could point to our potentialsT > customers and tell them that the HP TV ads about that store refer to a VMS system.  C I do seem to remember being pleasantly surprised at seeing a VT5xx -F terminal when Xmas shopping at Toys R Us. I can't remember which Xmas  tho' :-)   -- e Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 15:53:27 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>6  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?I Message-ID: <XLl3c.214067$Qg7.90743@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>d  5 "Brian Tillman" <Tillmabg@yahoo.com> wrote in messagee! news:012BE756.C22236@yahoo.com...  > Someone wrote: >4> > > HP is currently airing ads about how Toys R Us is using HPG > > technology to run the inventory control for its Times Square store.y > > 0 > > I seem to recall Toys R Us being a VMS user. > >nD > > Does anyone know if Toys R us was in fact a big VMS user ? Is it > > still a VMS user ? > G > Seems to me, Blockbuster used to be a VMS shop.  Has it, too, gone to  > Billy-boy hell?I    K The problem is that all these former VMS shops don't view it as having gonet' to "Billy-boy hell" or unix/linux hell.   C The overwhelming view from those former VMS shops is that they have G 'modernized' and 'updated' their systems to give them capabilities they # didn't have before at a lower cost.   K The fact that the 'updating' and 'modernization' is really just a windowingNG user interface or a 'web' interface in many cases and that the back-endAF didn't need to be switched out as well escapes the business-end types.  J In many cases, the company goes from having a custom in-house built app toH having a 'package' from a vendor that does not offer it on VMS. The userJ company gets rid of development staff and instead pays support fees to theG app vendor - in some case less than they were formerly paying, in otherd cases more.o  K But with so many instances of 'Two Guys and a Xeon' (sorry TGV) in a garageoD with $5,000 worth of hardware and compilers churning out a myriad ofJ applications that 'almost fit' any company's business, many businesses areE willing to forego a custom app that truly fits the business (but alsoRJ without the internal business/political risks of having development killedK before the app is finished construction) and will instead go with somethingL: that is close enough or deemed to be 'good enough' from  a& hardware/os/application point-of-view.  J And in many cases the IT staff, despite liking VMS a lot, sees the writingD on the wall and will document their objections but go along with theJ decision because they see the words 'marketable skill' and Linux or MS SQL> Server or Visual Basic used in close proximity to one another.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 11:12:47 -0500* From: "rob kas" <rob@paychoice.com.noSPAM>  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?0 Message-ID: <104rr8115n1foc0@corp.supernews.com>  H >> Seems to me, Blockbuster used to be a VMS shop.  Has it, too, gone to >> Billy-boy hell? >4A > Blockbuster still is as far as the store systems are concerned.4 > L > However, over the years they have had an underlying effort to replace VMS  > withJ > various other schemes...  testament to the staying power of VMS I think. >8. > I heard tale that they out-sourced their IT. >oE              I seem to remember Reading IBM , is going to be the new a3 Outsource  Provider and they are switching to AIX .S          /                                             Rob,   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:03:48 GMT 0 From: Randy Park <rjpark@mindspring.nospaam.com>  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?8 Message-ID: <fi1s4055ttibd2msnk2cbtg3mv9d7defas@4ax.com>  O On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 22:17:16 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:.  M >HP is currently airing ads about how Toys R Us is using HP technology to run.2 >the inventory control for its Times Square store. >0- >I seem to recall Toys R Us being a VMS user.7 >rM >Does anyone know if Toys R us was in fact a big VMS user ? Is it still a VMS  >user ?8 >AK >*IF* the current TV ads was refering to a VMS system at Toys R Us (without0J >mentioning VMS, of course), then at least we could point to our potentialS >customers and tell them that the HP TV ads about that store refer to a VMS system.0  N Could be.  It wasn't that long ago that Microsoft turned off their VaxCluster.K They had to delay the coversion to Windows a year because SQL Server didn't0J have row locking and therefore didn't have the necessary performance levelI that they needed.  They couldn't run a days worth of business on the most0" powerful network they could build.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 00:12:16 GMT.# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)0E Subject: RE: USB and SYS$OHCIDRIVER (was: Re: Strange Device name...)0/ Message-ID: <AZ73c.463$T_.380@news.cpqcorp.net>   >   re: It does have USB, SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:SYS$OHCIDRIVER.EXE  C   Which system?  Comparatively few AlphaServer boxes have supportedsD   and functional USB, though more than a few do have the connectors.B   On most existing AlphaServer boxes, the PCI USB 1.1 board cited C   regularly by Forrest is one of the few options, and that approache9   is not officially supported though usually functional. 0    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comF   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 14:04:25 -0500 , From: Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@hp.com>E Subject: Re: USB and SYS$OHCIDRIVER (was: Re: Strange Device name...)h& Message-ID: <404E1539.4BBEC3EB@hp.com>   PhilThayer wrote:  > F > This particular system would be an ES40 M2 that was bought used.  ItG > has two USB ports on the back.  Something that would be nice is to bekD > able to connect one of them to a USB laser printer and be ab le toD > setup a print queue to it.  Something else that was asked here wasE > whether the USB ports would support any type of wierless networking-B > device so that the AlphaServer could be connected to aq wireless
 > network. > - > Any plans for these types of functionality?u  9 	The USB controller in the ES40 is based on an Acer chip eB set.  There are some known problems with the Acer and the hardwareA teams for the DS10 and the ES40 decided to pull support for that h@ chip.  In the DS10 the firmware actually goes out of its way to 0 hide the device so that OpenVMS will not see it.  8 	On the ES40 there is one problem that there is not fix A for and one that you might see that there is a fix for.  The one iA that you cannot get a fix for it that the hardware does not tell e? the O.S. about a root hub unplug of a device.  So plugging and m; unplugging does not work.  The second problem is that some eA number of systems shipped with controllers with to much filtering-@ on the USB signals.  The symptom on these systems is that device@ that need to use 12Mbs will not configure.  There is a hardware : ECO for this sorry I don't have the exact ECO data for it.  9 	If you have V7.3-2 installed and you are willing to livebA with the root hub unplug issue, and using unsupported hardware.  25 You can get a make the following addition to the file  sys$system:sys$user_config.dat..  , device          = "ACER 5237 USB Controller"   name          = OH    driver        = SYS$OHCIDRIVER   adapter       = PCIt   id            = 0x523710B9
 end_device  6 	This will get OpenVMS to start up the USB bus on the : system, and to start up the USB Configuration Manage "UCM"; process.  If you plug in a USB printer what will happen is R9 we will see it and the UCM will generate a configuration H) record.  You need to use the UCM command:>   	$ UCM ADD DEVICE LPA0  0 	To get the system to configure the printer the 6 next time you plug in the printer we will configure a 6 driver for it.  Note that the association may ne keyed5 to where you plug it in.  If the device has a serial  5 number we use that if not we use where on the bus we d found it to match it up.  / 	All the printer driver does it promise to get a6 the bytes out the the printer you need some other tool6 to generate the postscript.  At the present time DCPS * does not work with the USB printer driver.     Forrest Kenney OpenVMS Development    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 00:59:29 -07006 From: "Phillip D. Williams" <dwilliams296@comcast.net> Subject: VMS 5.5 update-0 Message-ID: <doqdnSU557U85NDd4p2dnA@comcast.com>   Hello-= I am having problems with my cable modem. The service will bel= unavailable Wednesday 3/10/04 to replace the modem. It should-B only be a couple of hours Also I will be making available the V6.0
 freeware cds.? phillip    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 16:46:16 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: What is ZIC ??-) Message-ID: <404CE99F.45586FCF@istop.com>2   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:t > $ zicy@ > zic: usage is zic [ -v ] [ "-L" leapseconds ] [ -d directory ]+ >          [-y yearistype] [ filename ... ]c  , On VAX VMS 7.2, a dump of the image reveals:  " It comes from Berkeley, circa 1993   It is a time zone compiler  + http://linuxcommand.org/man_pages/zic8.htmle   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2004 11:22:05 -0800o. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)" Subject: Where are the terminals ?= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0403091122.2e467a87@posting.google.com>t   Click     9 With all these blades advancements is not time to rethink>; the Terminals (VTs / 327X) etc... I am imaginig a hardware @ like a Terminal Controller  running Terminal-Desktop-Citrix-likeA software. May be based in Linux GUI interfaces. What do u think ?e     Regards    FC   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 01:22:06 GMTe% From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com>r& Subject: Re: Where are the terminals ?7 Message-ID: <25u3c.3933$4B1.2860@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>   J Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>/ wrote in message news:c2le71$2tg$1@online.de...h? > In article <f30679fb.0403091122.2e467a87@posting.google.com>,r2 > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) writes: > = > > With all these blades advancements is not time to rethink ? > > the Terminals (VTs / 327X) etc... I am imaginig a hardwareuD > > like a Terminal Controller  running Terminal-Desktop-Citrix-likeE > > software. May be based in Linux GUI interfaces. What do u think ?e >wH > Every few months, I am reminded of the passage of time by a new "let'sF > rethink terminals on VMS" post from Fabio.  I don't think ANYone has, > understood what you are trying to achieve. >mJ > There are several options using new stuff (my option is to use old stuff( > which works fine for the job at hand): >sJ > Option 1: Use a terminal.  OK, they were sold off, but you can still buy > them from Boundless. > D > Option 2: Use an X-terminal.  I'm sure several manufacturers offer: > X-terminals with LK-style keyboards (I used to use one). >tI > Use something like a DS10L with a graphics card (I'm not sure if such a-G > beast exists, though I'm sure it could) and a modern TFT flat screen.u >nJ > Let's face it, though: GUI is more often than not bells-and-whistles andI > a well-written forms-based application can be faster for data entry andt5 > require fewer resources than a graphical front end.s >S  A Like Phil, I also do not understand exactly what Fabio is asking.s  K My initial responce would be that they are gone!  I still have a VT510 on arI cart if I am really desperate, but for normal day to day access, this hasyK been replaced by wireless laptops and a Reflections/Hyper-terminal/JAVA-GUI K window.  We use an Application by TDI systems called  ConsoleWorks (It runsuI on VMS!) that allows me to remotely access all of my serial console portssI (Over 300 consoles right now!).  I have a private console network that issL composed of Decserver 700's that are monitored/accessed by a DS10.  I open aI browser window to the ConsoleWorks webpage.  After loggin in,  I can then4K open up a window for each console that I need to talk too.  When I open thesL link, a client agent on my laptop opens my terminal software and establishes a link to the system.r  L Also look into ConsoleManager.  ConsoleManager is partnered by HP/Compaq andH does not give me as much capabilities as my existing ConsoleWorks system does.v  G If I do not need onto the console, I run a strait telnet session for IPsE traffic to that system.  Once again, the VT is gone.  Replaced by thed Desktop/Laptop.c    4 If this is not what you intended to ask Fabio, then?  H - Are talking about using a KVM switch to swap between Several differentE graphical consoles?  This also has been in existence for a few years.e  J - Are you talking about the ability of a VT connected to a terminal serverH that allowed you to have 8 different LAT sessions opened per port.  ThatH gave you 16 sessions on a VT420 that a CTRL-B/N would toggle between the2 sessions.  (Not running LAT anymore.  Snif..Snif!)  8 Please define exactly what you are trying to solve here.  J Our Front end/Citrix folks where unable to come up with a remote "Console"I to allow them to do the base install/configuration of the Citrix servers.lH So they still push around a cart with a built in KVM switch to do the OS slam.e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 22:58:06 +01000 From: "R. Voorhorst" <R.Voorhorst@Swabhawat.com>  Subject: Xerox 6250 and DCPS 2.3D Message-ID: <FHEBJJFBMGNGDAAMBKPAMEKOCEAA.R.Voorhorst@Swabhawat.com>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C40629.FBF8F840  Content-Type: text/plain;n 	charset="iso-8859-1"e Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bith   L.S.   Current situation:  pD 1. Xerox phaser 6250DX colour laserjet with IP and enabled port 9100: 2. OpenVMS 7.3-2, TCP/IP 5.4 and DCPS 2.3 on a Alpha DS-10  uJ The printer works normally with genuine Adope Postscript V3 on the windows 2000 platform.L DCPS however starts with printing, the printer is receiving data and remains busy (locked), but nothing happens.K Eventually the queue times out. A stop with reset of the queue releases theo printer and some garbageE with strange symbols is produced on a piece/some pieces of paper. Thee" printer is multi protocol enabled.A We did enable ^D on the printer later but without any difference.nI After using the NO-SYNC logical for the queueu the printer will sometimest print,G however the job will hang in status printing. Mostly the printer startsn printing< after a reset of the queue. The job entry has to be deleted. How will this work?l Any suggestions are welcomew  H This question has been posted to the wizard but no answer has (yet) been& given, so as not to duplicate efforts.  
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Don't know if that worked or not.  But if it didJ work, then unless those guys can be persuaded to port their accelerator toH VMS, Zope on VMS will be a substandard product compared to platforms on  which the accelerator runs.   G That's kind of a chicken-and-egg situation, but I'd in any case kind ofeG like to hear from somebody who knows something about it whether that's   a real or an imaginary problem.    -- Alano -- oO ===============================================================================n0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================s   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2004 13:39:39 -0800s. From: alexdaniels@themail.co.uk (Alex Daniels)< Subject: Re: [OT] We've always know that Solaris is junk....= Message-ID: <9f7f13a8.0403091339.2179fcaa@posting.google.com>y   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c2hhpt$k9b$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > John Smith wrote:gP > > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1208&e=1&u=/ap/20040305/ap_1 > > on_bi_ge/sun_micro_credit_rating&sid=95573649a > >  > > " > > ...now Standard & Poors agrees > >  > >  > ; > What does a financial organisations rating of Sun have to); > do with Solaris's technical merits ??????????????????????t > : > Isn't this the kind of posting that any OpenVMS advocate2 > would howl and scream about if I posted it ????? > 	 > regards  > Andrew Harrison-   Andrew,   : To be fair two days before your post, John Smith posted...     <SNIP>4 >actually I meant to say "Sun" rather than "Solaris" <SNIP>   Alex   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 20:57:32 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)/ Subject: Re: [TCPIP V5.3 ECO4] For VMS V7.3-2 ? 0 Message-ID: <newscache$t0ubuh$63d$1@news.sil.at>  o In article <lOp3c.95737$Wa.6220@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com> writes:aD >I double checked this with management and V5.3 ECO4 is supported onF >VMS7.3-2.  It seems this topic was debated internally, which probably7 >explains why you heard a whisper of a different story..   Thanks for the clarifcation !    >> 1  KIT NAME:n >>( >>      DEC-VAXVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0503-184-4 >>+ >> Maybe only the ITRC needs to be fixed...a  * But VAXVMS still needs to be explained ;-)   -- a Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER5% Network and OpenVMS system specialistt E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 23:04:34 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)/ Subject: Re: [TCPIP V5.3 ECO4] For VMS V7.3-2 ?c0 Message-ID: <newscache$jwzbuh$eed$1@news.sil.at>  _ In article <Lmq3c.178379$Hy3.170979@edtnps89>, "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca> writes:o= >This does not make sense as the fail safe IP is 5.4 not 5.3.o  I I don't know (as I haven't checked) what ECO4 brings. I run already V5.4. L It was more a rhetorical question because I received the ECO4 at surprise...  : >Would you not being applying a patch of older technology.  I Having an ECO supporting a OPSYS versions while the base product does not L yields another problem: You need to install the ECO first before you upgrade> as the other way around might not work (and is not supported).  L I like to run the most modern version which works (has most bugs ironed out)* but applications drive the upgrade saga...   -- d Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERc% Network and OpenVMS system specialist$ E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 07:15:05 GMTs0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>/ Subject: Re: [TCPIP V5.3 ECO4] For VMS V7.3-2 ?e= Message-ID: <Z9e3c.94478$Wa.77741@news-server.bigpond.net.au>t  L Where did you see that documented?  I checked the ECO4 release notes and did* not see any mention of such a requirement.   Matt.g   -- t= -------------------------------------------------------------n OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Companyu Gold Coast, AUSTRALIA = -------------------------------------------------------------e    C "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in messagee* news:newscache$wcqauh$846$1@news.sil.at...1 > I thought that TCPIP V5.3 is not for VMS V7.3-2.E > but yesterday I saw that V5.3 ECO4 is intended also for VMS V7.3-2.s >cI > Does things have changed, or did I read wrong or is there a bug in ECO4  doc ?  >t > TIA  >e > -- f > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERc' > Network and OpenVMS system specialisto > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 06:40:43 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)+ Subject: [TCPIP V5.3 ECO4] For VMS V7.3-2 ?u0 Message-ID: <newscache$wcqauh$846$1@news.sil.at>  / I thought that TCPIP V5.3 is not for VMS V7.3-2oC but yesterday I saw that V5.3 ECO4 is intended also for VMS V7.3-2.e  M Does things have changed, or did I read wrong or is there a bug in ECO4 doc ?f   TIAe   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialista E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 20:13:12 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)/ Subject: Re: [TCPIP V5.3 ECO4] For VMS V7.3-2 ?e0 Message-ID: <newscache$yyrbuh$nyc$1@news.sil.at>  p In article <Z9e3c.94478$Wa.77741@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com> writes:M >Where did you see that documented?  I checked the ECO4 release notes and didt+ >not see any mention of such a requirement.c  C It is listed when you browse for OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 ECOs in ITRC.o1 And the text of the patch details goes like this:e        ****************************        ECO SUMMARY INFORMATION      ****************************       Release Date:  03-MAR-20043     Kit Name: DEC-AXPVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0503-184-4.PCSIs>     Kit Applies To: OpenVMS ALPHA V7.3-2, V7.3-1, V7.3, V7.2-2'     Approximate Kit Size: 113376 blocksH"     Installation Rating: INSTALL_2     Reboot Required: Yes     Superseded Kits: None.L     Mandatory Kit Dependencies: Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha 5.3$     Optional Kit Dependencies: None.I     DEC-AXPVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0503-184-4.PCSI-DCX_AXPEXE Checksum: 3466419110i         K     ======================================================================= -      Hewlett-Packard OpenVMS ECO Cover LetternK     =======================================================================r  )            ECO NUMBER:    TCPIPALP_E03A53rF            OLD PRODUCT:   Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha 5.3H            NEW PRODUCT:   HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha 5.3 ECO 4       1  KIT NAME:  %      DEC-VAXVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0503-184-4u    ( Maybe only the ITRC needs to be fixed...   -- l Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERs% Network and OpenVMS system specialistf E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 21:07:55 GMTo. From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca>/ Subject: Re: [TCPIP V5.3 ECO4] For VMS V7.3-2 ? . Message-ID: <Lmq3c.178379$Hy3.170979@edtnps89>  < This does not make sense as the fail safe IP is 5.4 not 5.3.  9 Would you not being applying a patch of older technology.n  C "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in messageo* news:newscache$t0ubuh$63d$1@news.sil.at...D > In article <lOp3c.95737$Wa.6220@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Matt, Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com> writes:F > >I double checked this with management and V5.3 ECO4 is supported onH > >VMS7.3-2.  It seems this topic was debated internally, which probably9 > >explains why you heard a whisper of a different story.o >e > Thanks for the clarifcation !  >h > >> 1  KIT NAME:  > >>* > >>      DEC-VAXVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0503-184-4 > >>- > >> Maybe only the ITRC needs to be fixed..., > , > But VAXVMS still needs to be explained ;-) >y > -- m > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER:' > Network and OpenVMS system specialiste > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 20:29:05 GMTo0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>/ Subject: Re: [TCPIP V5.3 ECO4] For VMS V7.3-2 ?o< Message-ID: <lOp3c.95737$Wa.6220@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  C I double checked this with management and V5.3 ECO4 is supported onfE VMS7.3-2.  It seems this topic was debated internally, which probablyc6 explains why you heard a whisper of a different story.   Matt.t  C "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in messagee* news:newscache$yyrbuh$nyc$1@news.sil.at...E > In article <Z9e3c.94478$Wa.77741@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Mattt, Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com> writes:K > >Where did you see that documented?  I checked the ECO4 release notes andi didr- > >not see any mention of such a requirement.  >lE > It is listed when you browse for OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 ECOs in ITRC.i3 > And the text of the patch details goes like this:  >e" >     ****************************  >        ECO SUMMARY INFORMATION" >     **************************** >e  >     Release Date:  03-MAR-20045 >     Kit Name: DEC-AXPVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0503-184-4.PCSIu@ >     Kit Applies To: OpenVMS ALPHA V7.3-2, V7.3-1, V7.3, V7.2-2) >     Approximate Kit Size: 113376 blocksn$ >     Installation Rating: INSTALL_2 >     Reboot Required: Yes >     Superseded Kits: None.J >     Mandatory Kit Dependencies: Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha 5.3 & >     Optional Kit Dependencies: None.K >     DEC-AXPVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0503-184-4.PCSI-DCX_AXPEXE Checksum: 3466419110a >  >a >i >tG =======================================================================t/ >      Hewlett-Packard OpenVMS ECO Cover Letterh >tG =======================================================================O >h+ >            ECO NUMBER:    TCPIPALP_E03A53dH >            OLD PRODUCT:   Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha 5.3J >            NEW PRODUCT:   HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha 5.3 ECO 4 >w >n >e > 1  KIT NAME: > ' >      DEC-VAXVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0503-184-4d >c > * > Maybe only the ITRC needs to be fixed... >e > --   > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERy' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.138 ************************