1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 16 Mar 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 148       Contents:7 'ITRC Digest is on the move' -- Subscriber's Choice ... ; Re: 'ITRC Digest is on the move' -- Subscriber's Choice ... ; Re: 'ITRC Digest is on the move' -- Subscriber's Choice ... ; Re: 'ITRC Digest is on the move' -- Subscriber's Choice ... ; Re: 'ITRC Digest is on the move' -- Subscriber's Choice ... ; Re: 'ITRC Digest is on the move' -- Subscriber's Choice ... ; Re: 'ITRC Digest is on the move' -- Subscriber's Choice ... ; Re: 'ITRC Digest is on the move' -- Subscriber's Choice ... ; Re: 'ITRC Digest is on the move' -- Subscriber's Choice ... ; Re: 'ITRC Digest is on the move' -- Subscriber's Choice ... * AIT tape drive experiences...good, bad...?C Re: alpha defined: virtualcnt,titleid,keyid,helplineid,pasteboardid  Re: Alpha Powered logo Alpha sizing for Cerner  Re: Alpha sizing for Cerner  Re: Alpha sizing for Cerner  Re: Alpha sizing for Cerner  Re: Alpha sizing for Cerner  RE: Alpha sizing for Cerner  Re: Alpha sizing for Cerner # Alpha Systems roadmap --> HP UX ??? ' Re: Alpha Systems roadmap --> HP UX ??? ' Re: Alpha Systems roadmap --> HP UX ??? P AMD =?windows-1252?Q?Opteron=99_Processor_Powers_New_Fam?= =?windows-1252?Q?ily_@ Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers@ Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers@ Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers@ Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers: anyone mscp serving Fiber diks from Alpha 7.3-1 to VAX 6.2> Re: anyone mscp serving Fiber diks from Alpha 7.3-1 to VAX 6.2> Re: anyone mscp serving Fiber diks from Alpha 7.3-1 to VAX 6.2> Re: anyone mscp serving Fiber diks from Alpha 7.3-1 to VAX 6.2> Re: anyone mscp serving Fiber diks from Alpha 7.3-1 to VAX 6.2 Re: Anyone need a MicroVax 2000  Re: Anyone need a MicroVax 2000  Anyone out there?  Re: Anyone out there?  Re: Anyone out there? , Re: Are RZ29B and RZ28D supposed to be LOUD?, Re: Are RZ29B and RZ28D supposed to be LOUD?, Re: Are RZ29B and RZ28D supposed to be LOUD? Athlon 64 vs Opteron: diff?  Re: Athlon 64 vs Opteron: diff?  Re: Athlon 64 vs Opteron: diff? A Re: C vs. Macro-32 (Was: Re: User-written system service, how to) A Re: C vs. Macro-32 (Was: Re: User-written system service, how to) A Re: C vs. Macro-32 (Was: Re: User-written system service, how to) A Re: C vs. Macro-32 (Was: Re: User-written system service, how to) A Re: C vs. Macro-32 (Was: Re: User-written system service, how to) ' Checking Operating Temperature of Alpha + Re: Checking Operating Temperature of Alpha + Re: Checking Operating Temperature of Alpha + Re: Checking Operating Temperature of Alpha > Re: Checking Operating Temperature of Alpha; resetting the OCP& Converting PCL5e dev ctl libs to PCL5c* Re: Converting PCL5e dev ctl libs to PCL5c  Re: Customising Decwindows login Customising Decwindows login  Re: Customising Decwindows login  Re: Customising Decwindows login  Re: Customising Decwindows login  Re: Customising Decwindows login  Re: Customising Decwindows login  Re: Customising Decwindows login  Re: Customising Decwindows login  Re: Customising Decwindows login  Re: Customising Decwindows login  Re: Customising Decwindows login  Re: Customising Decwindows login  Re: Customising Decwindows login  Re: Customising Decwindows login  Re: Customising Decwindows login  Re: Customising Decwindows login  Re: Customising Decwindows login  Re: Customising Decwindows login Decnet phase V Re: Decnet phase V Re: Decnet phase V Re: Decnet phase V Re: Decnet phase V' Re: DECTERM crashes on missing font :-) # DECTERM crashes on missing font :-) ' Re: DECTERM crashes on missing font :-) ' Re: DECTERM crashes on missing font :-) . DEVICEFULL with 25 million free blocks! (Long)2 Re: DEVICEFULL with 25 million free blocks! (Long)2 Re: DEVICEFULL with 25 million free blocks! (Long)2 Re: DEVICEFULL with 25 million free blocks! (Long)2 Re: DEVICEFULL with 25 million free blocks! (Long)2 Re: DEVICEFULL with 25 million free blocks! (Long)2 Re: DEVICEFULL with 25 million free blocks! (Long)2 Re: DEVICEFULL with 25 million free blocks! (Long)& Re: Digital Personal workstation 600au& Re: Digital Personal workstation 600au& Re: Digital Personal workstation 600au& Re: Digital Personal workstation 600au& Re: Digital Personal workstation 600au& Re: Digital Personal workstation 600au Document warehouse for/on VMS?? # Re: Document warehouse for/on VMS??  encompass membership sign-up  Re: encompass membership sign-up Re: EVA disk storage Re: EVA disk storage Re: EVA disk storage Re: EVA disk storage Re: EVA disk storage Re: EVA disk storage Re: EVA disk storage Re: EVA disk storage Re: EVA disk storage Re: EVA disk storage Re: EVA disk storage external fscn$_name  Re: external fscn$_name ! Extremely Frustrated with EMC SAN % Re: Extremely Frustrated with EMC SAN % Re: Extremely Frustrated with EMC SAN % Re: Extremely Frustrated with EMC SAN / Finding my local authorized HP Business Partner 3 Re: Finding my local authorized HP Business Partner 3 Re: Finding my local authorized HP Business Partner  firmware problem on DEC3000 AXP # Re: firmware problem on DEC3000 AXP # Re: firmware problem on DEC3000 AXP # Re: firmware problem on DEC3000 AXP % fopen with mode "rt" issue in OVMS... ) Re: fopen with mode "rt" issue in OVMS... , for OpenVMS C-programmers: #pragma unused ??0 Re: for OpenVMS C-programmers: #pragma unused ??0 Re: for OpenVMS C-programmers: #pragma unused ??0 Re: for OpenVMS C-programmers: #pragma unused ?? Re: Fortran 9x for VAX?  FS: MicroVAX II systems  Ghostscript ! Graphics demos for PowerStorm 300  gzip error status  Re: gzip error status  Re: gzip error status  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes # Re: hobbyist project for how long ? # Re: hobbyist project for how long ?  How to get username  Re: How to get username  Re: How to get username  Re: How to get username  Re: How to get username  Re: How to get username  Re: How to get username  Re: How to get username  Re: How to get username  Re: How to get username ( Re: How to Ping Between OpenVMS and Unix( Re: How to Ping Between OpenVMS and UnixG HP and AMD Form Relationship to Power Server Innovation and Performance 5 HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour 9 Re: HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour 9 Re: HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour 9 Re: HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour 9 Re: HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour 9 Re: HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour 9 Re: HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour 9 Re: HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour 9 Re: HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour  Re: Intel releases 64bit Xeon  Re: Intel releases 64bit Xeon  Re: Is DISK a new command? Re: Is DISK a new command? Re: Is DISK a new command? Re: Is DISK a new command? Re: Is the INFOVAX dead? Is the INFOVAX death?  Re: Is the INFOVAX death? * RE: Is time to have Alpha/Itanium Blades ?* Re: Is time to have Alpha/Itanium Blades ? Keyboard and the NewVMS desktop # Re: Keyboard and the NewVMS desktop " lib$spawn kills my terminal window& Re: lib$spawn kills my terminal window& Re: lib$spawn kills my terminal window& Re: lib$spawn kills my terminal window& Re: lib$spawn kills my terminal window& Re: lib$spawn kills my terminal window& Re: lib$spawn kills my terminal window& Re: lib$spawn kills my terminal window2 Re: Looking for: SWCC ver: 2.5 client software kit2 Re: Looking for: SWCC ver: 2.5 client software kit Looping error after search Re: Looping error after search Re: Looping error after search Re: Looping error after search Re: Looping error after search Re: Looping error after search Re: Looping error after search Re: Looping error after search& mail program example for reading mailsP Microsoft Launches Beta for 64-Bit =?windows-1252?Q?Windows=99_?= =?windows-1252P Re: Microsoft Launches Beta for 64-Bit =?windows-1252?Q?Windows=99_?= =?windows- Movies cut on VMS  Re: Movies cut on VMS  Re: Movies cut on VMS 2 Re: Multiple ASTs for a Lock in a single process ?% Re: n o b o d y @ n o b o d y . o r g % Re: n o b o d y @ n o b o d y . o r g % Re: n o b o d y @ n o b o d y . o r g % Re: n o b o d y @ n o b o d y . o r g  NFS service locking up Re: NFS service locking up Re: NFS service locking up Nous opterons pour Opteron Re: Nous opterons pour Opteron Re: Nous opterons pour Opteron2 OpenVMS C/C++ compilers on ALpha and I64 Questions6 Re: OpenVMS C/C++ compilers on ALpha and I64 Questions6 Re: OpenVMS C/C++ compilers on ALpha and I64 Questions6 Re: OpenVMS C/C++ compilers on ALpha and I64 QuestionsG Re: OpenVMS virus proof while other disks get zapped by latest viruses!  Opteron Competitive Table  Re: Opteron Competitive Table  OT: Athlon 64 vs Opteron: diff?  OT: Network management errors * Re: Ping Between OpenVMS and Digital Unix?* Re: Ping Between OpenVMS and Digital Unix?* Re: Ping Between OpenVMS and Digital Unix?* Re: Ping Between OpenVMS and Digital Unix?* Re: Ping Between OpenVMS and Digital Unix?D Re: Professional Agitator - Harrison, Andrew. Confimed on sun.com!!!- Re: Remote host identification: Telnet vs SSH ) Remote host identification: Telnet vs SSH - Re: Remote host identification: Telnet vs SSH - Re: Remote host identification: Telnet vs SSH - Re: Remote host identification: Telnet vs SSH - Re: Remote host identification: Telnet vs SSH - Re: Remote host identification: Telnet vs SSH - Re: Remote host identification: Telnet vs SSH - Re: Remote host identification: Telnet vs SSH - Re: Remote host identification: Telnet vs SSH - Re: Remote host identification: Telnet vs SSH - Re: Remote host identification: Telnet vs SSH < Re: reopening sys$output and sys$error in a detached process< Re: reopening sys$output and sys$error in a detached process& RE: SAMBA & Advanced Server - coexist?& Re: SAMBA & Advanced Server - coexist? SAN Replication over IP? Re: SAN Replication over IP? Re: SAN Replication over IP?& SAN upgrade, 8-PORT to 16-PORT, hints?* Re: SAN upgrade, 8-PORT to 16-PORT, hints?* Re: SAN upgrade, 8-PORT to 16-PORT, hints?* Re: SAN upgrade, 8-PORT to 16-PORT, hints? Re: scanning the PCI bus Re: scanning the PCI bus Re: scanning the PCI bus Re: scanning the PCI bus Re: scanning the PCI bus Re: scanning the PCI bus Re: scanning the PCI bus Re: SIMH and TK50/TK70 tapes?  SIMH, VMS and TELNET problem  Re: SIMH, VMS and TELNET problem  Re: SIMH, VMS and TELNET problem  Re: SIMH, VMS and TELNET problem SMTP filters Re: SMTP filters Re: SMTP filters Re: SMTP filters RE: SMTP filters Re: SMTP filters Re: SMTP filters Re: SMTP filters Re: SMTP filters Re: SMTP filters Re: SMTP filters Re: SMTP filters Re: SMTP filters Re: SMTP filters Re: SMTP filters SMTP Welcome message Re: SMTP Welcome message Re: SMTP Welcome message/ SNMP newbie question: description of all OIDs ? 3 Re: SNMP newbie question: description of all OIDs ? & Re: SSH, X11 forwarding and TCPIP V5.4" SSH, X11 forwarding and TCPIP V5.4& Re: SSH, X11 forwarding and TCPIP V5.41 Sun nearing bankruptcy ... better buy VMS Andrew! 5 Re: Sun nearing bankruptcy ... better buy VMS Andrew! 5 Re: Sun nearing bankruptcy ... better buy VMS Andrew! 5 Re: Sun nearing bankruptcy ... better buy VMS Andrew! 5 Re: Sun nearing bankruptcy ... better buy VMS Andrew! 5 Re: Sun nearing bankruptcy ... better buy VMS Andrew! 5 Re: Sun nearing bankruptcy ... better buy VMS Andrew! 5 Re: Sun nearing bankruptcy ... better buy VMS Andrew! 5 Re: Sun nearing bankruptcy ... better buy VMS Andrew! 5 Re: Sun nearing bankruptcy ... better buy VMS Andrew! 5 Re: Sun nearing bankruptcy ... better buy VMS Andrew! 5 Re: Sun nearing bankruptcy ... better buy VMS Andrew!  Re: Sun On The Run?  Re: Sun On The Run?  Re: Sun On The Run?  Re: Sun On The Run?  Re: Support of USB Memory stick  Re: Support of USB Memory stick  Re: Support of USB Memory stick  Re: Support of USB Memory stick  Re: Support of USB Memory stick  Re: Support of USB Memory stick  Re: Support of USB Memory stick  Re: Support of USB Memory stick  Re: Support of USB Memory stick  Re: Support of USB Memory stick  Re: TCPIP printer via ISDN$ Telnet oddities (outbound to router)( Re: Telnet oddities (outbound to router) test6 Re: The Inquirer:   HP re-thinking its IA-64 strategy?# TN3270 - Why it still synchronous ? ' Re: TN3270 - Why it still synchronous ? ' Re: TN3270 - Why it still synchronous ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ? + Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help. + Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help. ' transfer txt-files to VMS, please help. + Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help. + Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help. + Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help. + Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help. + Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help. + Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help. + Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help. + Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help. + Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help. $ Re: UNIX signals and threads problem, Re: US Navy and VMS (was: Toys R Us and VMS)< Re: USB and SYS$OHCIDRIVER (was: Re: Strange Device name...)< Re: USB and SYS$OHCIDRIVER (was: Re: Strange Device name...)? Use your computer to build an income stream and retire quickly! ? Use your computer to build an income stream and retire quickly! 5 Re: User-written system service, how to protect data?  VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO  Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO  Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO  Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO  Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO  Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO  Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO  Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO  Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO  Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO  Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO  Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO  Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO  Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO  What happened with InfoVAX?  Re: Where are the terminals ?  Re: Where are the terminals ?  Re: Where are the terminals ?  Re: Where are the terminals ?  Re: Where are the terminals ?   why a newone to OpenVMS Learn it$ Re: why a newone to OpenVMS Learn it$ Re: why a newone to OpenVMS Learn it$ Will HP include VMS in their plans?? Re: Xerox 6250 and DCPS 2.3  Re: Zip/update Issue Re: Zip/update Issue Re: Zip/update Issue Re: Zip/update Issue Re: Zip/update Issue Re: Zip/update Issue Re: Zip/update Issue$ Re: [OT]: Does Charon do DECwindows?$ Re: [OT]: Does Charon do DECwindows?& Re: [TCPIP V5.3 ECO4] For VMS V7.3-2 ?& Re: [TCPIP V5.3 ECO4] For VMS V7.3-2 ?9 Re: [TCPIP V5.4] Local Host in TCPIP SHOW DEVICE_SOCKET ? 9 Re: [TCPIP V5.4] Local Host in TCPIP SHOW DEVICE_SOCKET ? 1 [TCPIP V5.4] What for is SYS$SYSTEM:RESOLV.CONF ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:34:58 +0100 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> @ Subject: 'ITRC Digest is on the move' -- Subscriber's Choice ...: Message-ID: <c2n2c8$1vi8da$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>  F Just a few hours ago I got a mail from HP telling me that ITRC will be6 terminated and substituted with "Subscriber's Choice":  ( > Dear valued HP ITRC Digest Subscriber, > P > The IT Resource Center (ITRC) has now transitioned its email notification and V > subscription management services for Information Digests to HP Subscriber's Choice. & > http://hp-email.m0.net/m/S.asp?[...]S > Now you can get patch and information digest and security bulletin notifications  ] > notifications along with your driver and software updates and other HP support information  + > all through one centralized subscription!  > G > What you need to do to continue to receive this valuable information:  > T > To continue to receive patch and information digests and security bulletins, goto & > http://hp-email.m0.net/m/S.asp?[...]U > to update your new profile within Subscriber's Choice and to add your products and  " > operating systems of interest.   >  > [...]   G I wasn't able to enter any information from the list boxes or to log in D (a PHP script should be called during log-in but nothing happens) --E using Mozilla with JavaScript and even cookies (temporarily) enabled.   F Has anyone been able to subscribe (or continue the subscription) *not*0 using a Winwoes system and/or Internet Exploder?   Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2004 13:13:31 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)D Subject: Re: 'ITRC Digest is on the move' -- Subscriber's Choice ...3 Message-ID: <64e+y7Cl8mFO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   p In article <c2n2c8$1vi8da$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>, Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> writes: > H > Has anyone been able to subscribe (or continue the subscription) *not*2 > using a Winwoes system and/or Internet Exploder? >   J Used Win98SE and Mozilla 1.0 to subscribe by going to the URL given in theK E-mail notification. I didn't try anything else. It was interesting to note H that this (old) version of Mozilla handled this better than IE5.5, which loaded a blank form...  H I'm more annoyed that the full announcements will no longer be E-mailed,6 but that we now have to visit a web site to read them.   Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       P SCO: Proudly pushing Microsoft down to #2 on the list of most disliked companies   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 19:27:01 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> D Subject: Re: 'ITRC Digest is on the move' -- Subscriber's Choice ...L Message-ID: <9_J3c.205032$ah.169115@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  G "Simon Clubley" <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> wrote in 5 message news:64e+y7Cl8mFO@eisner.encompasserve.org... J > In article <c2n2c8$1vi8da$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>, Michael Unger' <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> writes:  > > J > > Has anyone been able to subscribe (or continue the subscription) *not*4 > > using a Winwoes system and/or Internet Exploder? > >  > L > Used Win98SE and Mozilla 1.0 to subscribe by going to the URL given in theH > E-mail notification. I didn't try anything else. It was interesting to noteJ > that this (old) version of Mozilla handled this better than IE5.5, which > loaded a blank form... > J > I'm more annoyed that the full announcements will no longer be E-mailed,8 > but that we now have to visit a web site to read them.    L As long as HP doesn't patronize OpenVMS ISV's ( L-Soft) for applications, itB sends a message just as loudly as when customers migrate to Linux.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:43:22 GMT 2 From: "George Pagliarulo" <georgepag@adelphia.net>D Subject: Re: 'ITRC Digest is on the move' -- Subscriber's Choice ...0 Message-ID: <_1_3c.699$Bz3.129@news.cpqcorp.net>  F     The Subscriber's Choice patch notifications do have some problems.I I've been communicating with the folks responsible for the process and am I trying to get some changes made.  But, as Warren diplomatically said in a J reply about the HP VMS web site, it's a corporate requirement.  We weren'tJ asked.  Something that would really help is for users to let HP know aboutH the problems.  Reactions from real users carry a lot more weight then meH saying how users are going to react.  One thing worth noting is that theL patch notification process is separate from the ITRC. The ITRC site feeds it" but does not control how it works.  F While the issues are being worked, openvms.org ( www.openvms.org ) hasL started a user distribution list that you can sign up for.  When an OS patchD is released, openvms.org will send a plain text email with the patch( document attached, to users on the list.   George Pagliarulo  ECO Release Process  OpenVMS Sustaining Engineering Hewlett-Packard Company     @ "Michael Unger" <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message4 news:c2n2c8$1vi8da$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de...H > Just a few hours ago I got a mail from HP telling me that ITRC will be8 > terminated and substituted with "Subscriber's Choice": > * > > Dear valued HP ITRC Digest Subscriber, > > @ > > The IT Resource Center (ITRC) has now transitioned its email notification andB > > subscription management services for Information Digests to HP Subscriber's Choice.( > > http://hp-email.m0.net/m/S.asp?[...]F > > Now you can get patch and information digest and security bulletin
 notifications J > > notifications along with your driver and software updates and other HP support information - > > all through one centralized subscription!  > > I > > What you need to do to continue to receive this valuable information:  > > E > > To continue to receive patch and information digests and security  bulletins, goto ( > > http://hp-email.m0.net/m/S.asp?[...]I > > to update your new profile within Subscriber's Choice and to add your  products and" > > operating systems of interest. > > 	 > > [...]  > I > I wasn't able to enter any information from the list boxes or to log in F > (a PHP script should be called during log-in but nothing happens) --G > using Mozilla with JavaScript and even cookies (temporarily) enabled.  > H > Has anyone been able to subscribe (or continue the subscription) *not*2 > using a Winwoes system and/or Internet Exploder? > 	 > Michael  >  > --= > Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. B > Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityC > Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system. 7 > My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 09:51:06 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>D Subject: Re: 'ITRC Digest is on the move' -- Subscriber's Choice ...6 Message-ID: <40508AEA.82BFAD06@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   George Pagliarulo wrote: > H >     The Subscriber's Choice patch notifications do have some problems.K > I've been communicating with the folks responsible for the process and am K > trying to get some changes made.  But, as Warren diplomatically said in a L > reply about the HP VMS web site, it's a corporate requirement.  We weren't	 > asked.    E It's not unheard of that recalcitrant children are "kicked out of the C house" and/or disowned. Perhaps if the "VMS brats" were to "act up" B enough, Carly would decide that they're not worth the aggravation.E Someone (like Process? ...Islandco?) could pick the lot up for a song ; and turn VMS into what it could/should have been all along.   D > Something that would really help is for users to let HP know aboutJ > the problems.  Reactions from real users carry a lot more weight then me' > saying how users are going to react.    H Forward some e-mails (like mine and Kevin C.'s) to Carly and let her seeC how customers ARE reacting. She can dismiss your guesses, but can't G dismiss actual feedback. You'll recall, I Cc'd her on some of the early > correspondence which is how you got engaged in the discussion.  C Maybe I should add Carly to the distribution of the minutes for our E bi-weekly "Marvel Review" conference call where ITRC issues remain an  active topic on the agenda.   $ > One thing worth noting is that theN > patch notification process is separate from the ITRC. The ITRC site feeds it$ > but does not control how it works. > H > While the issues are being worked, openvms.org ( www.openvms.org ) hasN > started a user distribution list that you can sign up for.  When an OS patchF > is released, openvms.org will send a plain text email with the patch* > document attached, to users on the list.  G Classic example of how the product's user community does it better than E the corporation. DEC subsidized DECUS extensively, I'm told. Maybe hp 6 should reconsider how it spends ITS support dollars...   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Mar 2004 20:24:57 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)D Subject: Re: 'ITRC Digest is on the move' -- Subscriber's Choice ...: Message-ID: <c2qhuo$1vu9ck$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>  6 In article <40508AEA.82BFAD06@neoasrptahmlnionwk.net>,C 	"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:  > G > It's not unheard of that recalcitrant children are "kicked out of the E > house" and/or disowned. Perhaps if the "VMS brats" were to "act up" D > enough, Carly would decide that they're not worth the aggravation.G > Someone (like Process? ...Islandco?) could pick the lot up for a song = > and turn VMS into what it could/should have been all along.   ? Be careful waht you ask for.  I seem to remember a case not too @ long ago where a mother who couldn't deal with her kids put them? in a car and drove it into a lake.  Carly could always choose a > similar option if VMS became unwanted.  It is much more likely@ than her turning it over to a foster parent knowing that at some2 time inthe future it might come back to haunt her.   > J > Forward some e-mails (like mine and Kevin C.'s) to Carly and let her seeE > how customers ARE reacting. She can dismiss your guesses, but can't  > dismiss actual feedback.     She can't?  Why?   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:26:12 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> D Subject: Re: 'ITRC Digest is on the move' -- Subscriber's Choice ...E Message-ID: <8I54c.945$hqP1.931@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   5 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message 4 news:c2qhuo$1vu9ck$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de...8 > In article <40508AEA.82BFAD06@neoasrptahmlnionwk.net>,D > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes: > > I > > It's not unheard of that recalcitrant children are "kicked out of the G > > house" and/or disowned. Perhaps if the "VMS brats" were to "act up" F > > enough, Carly would decide that they're not worth the aggravation.I > > Someone (like Process? ...Islandco?) could pick the lot up for a song ? > > and turn VMS into what it could/should have been all along.  > A > Be careful waht you ask for.  I seem to remember a case not too B > long ago where a mother who couldn't deal with her kids put themA > in a car and drove it into a lake.  Carly could always choose a @ > similar option if VMS became unwanted.  It is much more likelyB > than her turning it over to a foster parent knowing that at some4 > time inthe future it might come back to haunt her.    D Didn't the woman in question in that case get sentenced to death? InJ carly's(tm) case, if she metaphorically did the same to VMS she'd probably1 just get some more stock options and a big bonus.   $ The corporation as a psychopath.....   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 23:25:22 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)D Subject: Re: 'ITRC Digest is on the move' -- Subscriber's Choice ...$ Message-ID: <c2qsgu$11e$2@online.de>  D In article <_1_3c.699$Bz3.129@news.cpqcorp.net>, "George Pagliarulo"! <georgepag@adelphia.net> writes:    H >     The Subscriber's Choice patch notifications do have some problems.K > I've been communicating with the folks responsible for the process and am K > trying to get some changes made.  But, as Warren diplomatically said in a L > reply about the HP VMS web site, it's a corporate requirement.  We weren'tL > asked.  Something that would really help is for users to let HP know aboutJ > the problems.  Reactions from real users carry a lot more weight then meJ > saying how users are going to react.  One thing worth noting is that theN > patch notification process is separate from the ITRC. The ITRC site feeds it$ > but does not control how it works. > H > While the issues are being worked, openvms.org ( www.openvms.org ) hasN > started a user distribution list that you can sign up for.  When an OS patchF > is released, openvms.org will send a plain text email with the patch* > document attached, to users on the list.  > Feel free to distribute this response up the chain of command.  G Notifying users---customers---about new patches is something a) valued  G by customers, b) trivial to do and c) important to HP (otherwise, bugs  E are active longer, which is bad for all involved).  It is really sad  G that a third-party site has to step in to do something which HP should   be doing for its customers.   G At the moment at least, I am a "real user", but not a paying customer,  H being just a hobbyist at the moment (though I have paid for licenses in E the past and might do so again in the future), so I doubt my opinion  C would carry that much weight.  (I do work at a large VMS shop, but  I obviously am not speaking for them here, though I assume that all paying  H customers will be at least as bothered as hobbyists about the lack of a I quick-and-easy official patch notification service.)  On the other hand,  H for various reasons I'm sure that in some sense opinions voiced here in F the group are sometimes a more accurate reflection of feelings at the > base than what gets filtered up through the official channels.  G I really appreciate the efforts of the engineers involved, as I'm sure  I many others here do.  Maybe they can figure out a way to politely say to  I the higher-ups "wouldn't you like to be as loved and respected by a very  ! discerning group as we are?"  :-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:16:22 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> D Subject: Re: 'ITRC Digest is on the move' -- Subscriber's Choice ...I Message-ID: <a0o4c.17791$iDG1.15737@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   @ "Michael Unger" <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message4 news:c2s9lv$18fe4q$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de...1 > On 2004-03-11 14:43, "George Pagliarulo" wrote:  > J > >     The Subscriber's Choice patch notifications do have some problems.J > > I've been communicating with the folks responsible for the process and amK > > trying to get some changes made.  But, as Warren diplomatically said inR aiF > > reply about the HP VMS web site, it's a corporate requirement.  We weren't'A >                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^u >rH > It is a "corporate requirement" to make support pages unusable for theJ > OS targeted?? (Or unusable for other browsers than the beloved "Internet
 > Exploder".)n >eH > > asked.  Something that would really help is for users to let HP know aboutrH >                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^L > > the problems.  Reactions from real users carry a lot more weight then meL > > saying how users are going to react.  One thing worth noting is that theG > > patch notification process is separate from the ITRC. The ITRC sites feeds it& > > but does not control how it works. >CF > Some time ago a PDF version of an OpenVMS document (V7.3-2) has beenH > corrupted on the HP web site. I'd complained of course via mail to theF > "contact" (openvmsdoc@hp) -- no reaction, no fix, for several weeks.F > After I'd posted to this group, i.e. made the problem public, it gotF > fixed within two or three days. "To let HP know" simply didn't work.    > My experience with HP is that "Official" channels seldom work.  K But that's the case with most (not all) big corporations - it's usually the F man/woman who cares about helping customers who picks up the ball evenF though it isn't part of their job description. The sad part about mostL companies is that the first thing on people's job description isn't "Do whatB ever it takes to make a customer or potential customer satisfied."   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:31:48 -0500i< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>D Subject: Re: 'ITRC Digest is on the move' -- Subscriber's Choice ...: Message-ID: <c34i95$232rei$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>   Michael Unger wrote: >...= > Some time ago a PDF version of an OpenVMS document (V7.3-2)  has been< > corrupted on the HP web site. I'd complained of course via mail to thet7 > "contact" (openvmsdoc@hp) -- no reaction, no fix, forf several weeks.7 > After I'd posted to this group, i.e. made the problemr public, it got9 > fixed within two or three days. "To let HP know" simplyy didn't work. >...  > January 27 I sent a note to the same address to tell them of a
 mistake onQ http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/availman/6552pro.html#getting_started.a8 March 11 I received a "Read Receipt" telling me that the7 message was deleted without being read. So I recent thee= message with a CC to Sue and a CC to our Gold/Silver (Gold at > one site and Silver at another site) representative. Within 907 minutes I had a message back saying that the person wasP9 deleting over 2000 spam messages and accidentally deletedb8 mine. With the spam problem as bad as it is these things happen.s   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.n Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXm www.weaverconsulting.cae   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:54:48 GMTt4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)3 Subject: AIT tape drive experiences...good, bad...?n- Message-ID: <r705c.6106$JL2.122847@attbi_s03>l  	 Hi Folks,t  H     A customer of ours recently decided to purchase (and start using) anK     AIT tape drive (it's listed as a SONY SDX-500C).  I've searched throughsB     the c.o.v. archives, and the archives here, and found very fewD     references to using AIT drives on VMS.  It looks as though it isG     supported, so I'm wondering if anyone here has experiences (good or D     bad) using these drives.  Would you "bet your business" on them?  D     Our customer is a 24X7 shop, and good backups are vital to theirK     operation.  They didn't notify us of the change; the reason I found outnI     was that they complained that their system was locked up.  The system J     was locked up, because the nightly backup failed during an RDB backup,A     which locked up the database, which...well, you get the idea.I  L     The error message was the usual "parity error" message; I told the localK     manager to replace the tape (before I knew that the drive and the mediaw     were "new", as of 26-FEB).       System specifics:   J     AlphaServer 1200 5/400 4MB, running VMS V7.1-1H1.  No patches (I know,J     but they *insist* that they can't take "downtime" - they can, however,J     apparently stand 10 hours of lock-up        :-)).  SCSI-2 controllers.       TIAr  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own" K bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' k0                                          with @"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:30:47 +0100m- From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de>sL Subject: Re: alpha defined: virtualcnt,titleid,keyid,helplineid,pasteboardid9 Message-ID: <c2ppm7$209p02$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>o  # tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com wrote: F > Please excuse this old cobol programmer with his C related question:+ > In the midst of a vax to alpha migration.  > 6 > Where would I best find EXTERN and GLOBAL variables?7 > Not vax/alpha/dec/system variables, but user defined?o > @ > Examples: virtualcnt, titleid, keyid, helplineid, pasteboardid  9 You'd find them somewhere in the files linked together...?B Going back to the C sources: the (GLOBAL) definitions and (EXTERN)0 uses are in some .C file or an included .H file.  2 As C header file #include's are often nested deep:E When I'm looking for the definition of something that a program uses,uF I tend to compile the files /LIST/SHOW=ALL. I then search the listingsF for the definition, and once found, trace back through the file to the6 last #include statement, thus finding the header file.  D Another way would be to use the CTAGS program [1], which keeps trace? of uses and definitions of variables, typedefs, functions, etc.e   cu,T   Martin  / [1] VMS port at http://www.polarhome.com/ctags/1 -- u@   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deeF    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 03:34:23 GMTm+ From: "Jay E. Morris" <usenet@epsilon3.com>e Subject: Re: Alpha Powered logob4 Message-ID: <31w3c.78986$OH4.19804@fe2.texas.rr.com>  N In message <403D962D.CA456BC3@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote: >  > % > Stumbled on  http://lists.virus.org  > 8 > Look at bottom of page for a nice Alpha Powered Logo.  > I > The site's HTTP responses only mention Apache. No hint of which OS theyo run.  J I have that one, only larger.  Apache on Linux on Alpha.  Can't show it to you though, it's restricted.  K Although sometime soon it will be Suse since some of their boys released and undated Alpha kernal.b   -- t' Jay E. Morris - morrisj at epsilon3 com @ Posted with Ink Spot (for Windows CE) from DejaVu Software, Inc.8 Usenet wherever you are - http://www.dejavusoftware.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 03:38:32 GMTt# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>   Subject: Alpha sizing for CernerJ Message-ID: <Yga4c.6692$wBa1.2831@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  J Anyone have a ballpark guess as to what would be a reasonable Alpha to run5 Cerner on for a 70 patient hospital + emergency room?    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 04:57:16 GMT % From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com>e$ Subject: Re: Alpha sizing for Cerner7 Message-ID: <Mqb4c.7549$4B1.6082@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>    John:n  ) E-mail me with more detailed sizing info.u   Thanks  
 Mike Naime  , John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageD news:Yga4c.6692$wBa1.2831@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...L > Anyone have a ballpark guess as to what would be a reasonable Alpha to run7 > Cerner on for a 70 patient hospital + emergency room?w >e >i   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 05:01:30 GMT , From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net>$ Subject: Re: Alpha sizing for Cerner- Message-ID: <Kub4c.12802$Gm5.40015@attbi_s04>o  J I'd start looking at a DS25.  When we got a Cerner system a few years ago,J they way over did the h/w imo and we found that clustered DS20Es more then met our needs.  G 70 beds + an E/R is rather small compared to some of the larger Medicalr Centers that Cerner lives in.e    . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageD news:Yga4c.6692$wBa1.2831@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...L > Anyone have a ballpark guess as to what would be a reasonable Alpha to run7 > Cerner on for a 70 patient hospital + emergency room?  >  >t   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 05:08:59 GMT % From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> $ Subject: Re: Alpha sizing for Cerner7 Message-ID: <LBb4c.7551$4B1.1426@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>e   John:k  3 More info is needed here for a "Reasonable" sizing.k  H Bare Minimum is a DS20 with 2GB of ram.  (That will allow Oracle and one6 domain to come up.  SSSSSSSSSLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOWWWWW!!!!) (Assumes SAN based disk drives)/  
 Mike Naime  , John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageD news:Yga4c.6692$wBa1.2831@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...L > Anyone have a ballpark guess as to what would be a reasonable Alpha to run7 > Cerner on for a 70 patient hospital + emergency room?  >p >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 05:53:24 -0500 0 From: "Alan Boyles" <alan.boyles@mindspring.com>$ Subject: Re: Alpha sizing for Cerner0 Message-ID: <1055pt0q4sc3965@corp.supernews.com>  F It's really going to vary but mostly it will be based on the number ofK Cerner Environments you plan on having, and having up at the same time.  If!I you are just talking a PRODUCTION database then a DS25 cluster with 2 gignL and 200 gig of disks might suffice, however, if you want the standard CernerK which consists of about 4 or 5 environments that you'll probably need to go , with ES45's and appropriate memory and disk.  K It's what we say in sales all the time " It all depends on what you want iti to do".e   Alan  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageD news:Yga4c.6692$wBa1.2831@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...L > Anyone have a ballpark guess as to what would be a reasonable Alpha to run7 > Cerner on for a 70 patient hospital + emergency room?e >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 12:51:37 -0500c' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>d$ Subject: RE: Alpha sizing for CernerR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB2C649A@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>  # > From: John Smith (a@nonymous.com),% > Subject: Alpha sizing for Cerner=20r" > Date: 2004-03-11 19:38:35 PST=20 =09pH > Anyone have a ballpark guess as to what would be a reasonable Alpha to runI7 > Cerner on for a 70 patient hospital + emergency room?    John,i  E I'll let the Cerner folks answer that one, but hey - just in case youI' need some marketing support, check out:E  F http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/cerner/cerner.pdf (Cerner)  E http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/aurora/aurora.pdf (Cerner 	 Customer)l     :-) :-)P   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660M Fax: 613-591-4477P Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 21:25:53 GMTM# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>i$ Subject: Re: Alpha sizing for CernerF Message-ID: <B545c.5072$tq9.3141@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  2 "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> wrote in messageL news:FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB2C649A@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net...  # > From: John Smith (a@nonymous.com)." > Subject: Alpha sizing for Cerner > Date: 2004-03-11 19:38:35 PST   H > Anyone have a ballpark guess as to what would be a reasonable Alpha to runr7 > Cerner on for a 70 patient hospital + emergency room?n   John,t  E I'll let the Cerner folks answer that one, but hey - just in case you ' need some marketing support, check out:.  F http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/cerner/cerner.pdf (Cerner)  E http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/aurora/aurora.pdf (Cerner 	 Customer)k    H Thanks everyone for the pointers and hints. I've been in touch with MikeJ off-line and the infomation here and from Mike has been just what's needed to kick-start this project.    John   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 08:18:44 +0100M" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>, Subject: Alpha Systems roadmap --> HP UX ???. Message-ID: <c33lcj$1ksi$1@biggoron.nerim.net>   Morning all,  P As a member of the HP DSPP program, I received this morning a protected link to " the updated Alpha Systems Roadmap.  1 The link was listed as below (real link removed):e  3  > Alpha Systems roadmap (PDF, 251KB) - Mar 04 2004nI  > This roadmap slide presents the future of the HP Alpha Systems server.n  ' There are five slides in this document.uN The two first ones actually present the Alpha Systems roadmap, the three next 0 ones present the HP UX 11 v3 update and roadmap.   No comment.M   D. --<                    Discover the FutureVAX: www.futurevax.com8                            Discover VAXUS: www.vaxus.org  J     didier morandi  ~ sarl au capital de 8 000 euros ~  Revendeur agr HPL   Expertise en environnement DIGITAL ~ Formation ~ Programmation ~ MigrationJ     Offshore ~ 5 av. A. Durand 31700 Blagnac France. Tl: 33(0)5 6131 6287G       SIRET 448 694 851 00016 RCS Toulouse http://www.didiermorandi.com    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2004 04:07:38 -0800. From: mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon)0 Subject: Re: Alpha Systems roadmap --> HP UX ???= Message-ID: <7500353b.0403150407.339ab9b9@posting.google.com>U   > Morning all, > R > As a member of the HP DSPP program, I received this morning a protected link to $ > the updated Alpha Systems Roadmap. > 3 > The link was listed as below (real link removed):o > 5 >  > Alpha Systems roadmap (PDF, 251KB) - Mar 04 2004 K >  > This roadmap slide presents the future of the HP Alpha Systems server.  > ) > There are five slides in this document.RP > The two first ones actually present the Alpha Systems roadmap, the three next 2 > ones present the HP UX 11 v3 update and roadmap. > 
 > No comment.s >  > D.@ Was the last slide of alpha systems os vms and the next HP-UX ?    Mf   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Mar 2004 16:51:12 GMT. From: jealousxmp@aol.commonplace (jealous xmp)0 Subject: Re: Alpha Systems roadmap --> HP UX ???: Message-ID: <20040315115112.24808.00001588@mb-m26.aol.com>  M >As a member of the HP DSPP program, I received this morning a protected linkn >to # >the updated Alpha Systems Roadmap.r >f2 >The link was listed as below (real link removed):  J http://h21007.www2.hp.com/dspp/prot/ddl/ddl_DownloadFile_PRT_TRX/1,1611,21	 16,00.PDFa   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:41:29 +0100S" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>Y Subject: AMD =?windows-1252?Q?Opteron=99_Processor_Powers_New_Fam?= =?windows-1252?Q?ily_c2 Message-ID: <4052126b$0$294$636a15ce@news.free.fr>  B [from http://www.amd.com/us-en/0,,3715_10025,00.html?redir=CPBS12]  J AMD Opteron Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers  Delivering M high-performance solutions for todays most demanding enterprise applications   L The AMD Opteron processor-based server, the Sun Fire V20z, is designed to L deliver high performance for todays most demanding enterprise applications.  P The AMD Opteron processor provides industry-leading performance for both 32-bit G and 64-bit computing, giving customers a simplified platform for their  J application needs. AMD Opteron processors feature AMD64 technology, which J delivers built-in capabilities designed to run several operating systems, P including Solaris and Linux. At the same time, AMD64 technology helps customers Q protect their IT investment and simplify planning by enabling them to migrate to  P 64-bit computing at their own pace  without sacrificing the existing resources # they rely on to run their business.a  O To learn more about the AMD Opteron processor-based server, The Sun Fire V20Z, i view the links to the right.  ( AMD and Sun Announce a Landmark Alliance  L Sun Microsystems has selected AMD Opteron processors for a new line of x86 K systems that the company plans to rollout in the first half of 2004. Scott IK McNealy, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer for Sun, announced the plans -P during his keynote at COMDEX on November 17, 2003. Sun plans to rely on the AMD Q Opteron processors in support of its strategy to help customers "scale out" with :O high-performance horizontal computing solutions. With future plans to unveil a 8Q comprehensive set of products -- including servers, Solaris optimized for 64-bit lI x86, and other products and services -- Sun plans to offer its customers iN ultimate choice in high performing systems for their network computing needs.  Read the press release.d    " The Business Benefits to Customers  J Choice and flexibility. With the addition of this new line of AMD Opteron O processor-based servers to Sun's line of entry systems, Sun offers customers a iB choice of architectures and platforms for their "scale out" needs.  N Enterprise-class operating system. Sun also plans to bring the added value of M its upcoming Solaris 64 to customers, delivering a proven and trusted 64-bit cG operating system that delivers enterprise-class reliability, security, i. availability and manageability on x86 systems.  M Investment protection as you transition to 64-bit. Systems featuring the AMD sN Opteron processor can simultaneously run 32-bit and 64-bit applications, with F leading performance for both. As the need for memory-intensive 64-bit F applications becomes greater, customers can seamlessly move to 64-bit L applications that benefit their business while continuing to leverage their , investment in 32-bit software and personnel.  K Exceptional price performance. By leveraging the industry economics of x86 tM computing, AMD and Sun pass on outstanding price performance benefits to its e
 customers.     About AMD Opteron processors  L The AMD Opteron processor, enabling simultaneous 32- and 64-bit computing, P represents the landmark introduction of the AMD64 architecture. The AMD Opteron K processor is designed to run existing 32-bit applications with outstanding eG performance and offers customers a simplified migration path to 64-bit CK computing. This evolutionary processor provides a dramatic leap forward in @M compatibility, performance, investment protection, and reduced total cost of r ownership (TCO).  @ Key architectural features of the AMD Opteron processor include:   The AMD64 architecture% Integrated DDR DRAM memory controller  HyperTransport TechnologyK Find out more about the AMD Opteron processor for servers and workstations.    ---e   So, SUN will offer Opteron too?dJ What would then prevent VMS to be offered by HP *and* SUN if it is ported?   D. -- h2 VAXUS - Your new helpful friend in the DEC Family!2 EHQ: 19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France/       Phone: +336 7983 6418 Fax: +335 6154 1928 $                 http://www.vaxus.org   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:06:31 GMTt2 From: "Ken Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com>I Subject: Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers-> Message-ID: <Xnr4c.90668$eL2.4850859@twister.southeast.rr.com>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageB news:pyo4c.18372$iDG1.3599@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... >@1 > "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> wrote in messageC. > news:4052126b$0$294$636a15ce@news.free.fr...F > > [from http://www.amd.com/us-en/0,,3715_10025,00.html?redir=CPBS12] > >nB > > AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers -
 DeliveringD > > high-performance solutions for today's most demanding enterprise > applications > >tL > > The AMD OpteronT processor-based server, the Sun FireT V20z, is designed > toB > > deliver high performance for today's most demanding enterprise > applications.- > >n	 > <snip>>. > >d& > > The Business Benefits to Customers > > E > > Choice and flexibility. With the addition of this new line of AMD. Opteron F > > processor-based servers to Sun's line of entry systems, Sun offers
 > customers anF > > choice of architectures and platforms for their "scale out" needs. > >  > <snip> >HK > Sun's choice of words, while sort of meaning the same as 'Alpha is dead',sG > clearly does not piss customers off in the same way that Curly did in- 2001.-     You mean Sparc is dead?0   -- Kenneth Farmer <>< OpenVMS.orgu   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 03:22:01 GMT-# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> I Subject: Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire ServersoI Message-ID: <t7v4c.21572$1gU1.15168@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>r  = "Ken Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com> wrote in messaged8 news:Xnr4c.90668$eL2.4850859@twister.southeast.rr.com...0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageD > news:pyo4c.18372$iDG1.3599@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > >H3 > > "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> wrote in messages0 > > news:4052126b$0$294$636a15ce@news.free.fr...H > > > [from http://www.amd.com/us-en/0,,3715_10025,00.html?redir=CPBS12] > > >eD > > > AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers - > DeliveringF > > > high-performance solutions for today's most demanding enterprise > > applications > > >sE > > > The AMD OpteronT processor-based server, the Sun FireT V20z, is, designed > > toD > > > deliver high performance for today's most demanding enterprise > > applications.e > > >r > > <snip>>e > > >c( > > > The Business Benefits to Customers > > >kG > > > Choice and flexibility. With the addition of this new line of AMDn	 > OpteroneH > > > processor-based servers to Sun's line of entry systems, Sun offers > > customers amH > > > choice of architectures and platforms for their "scale out" needs. > > > 
 > > <snip> > > F > > Sun's choice of words, while sort of meaning the same as 'Alpha is dead',I > > clearly does not piss customers off in the same way that Curly did inn > 2001.s >r >f > You mean Sparc is dead?s    H Reading between the lines, probably yes. Not this generation or the next+ ones due, but most probably the ones after.u  J Yet Sun has not said it in so many words, and not gone out of their way toL tell their customers that they are killing a proven architecture in favor ofJ one that has yet to prove itself (funny, do I hear an echo of the Big Bang here?).r  L Sun has a CEO (McNeely) who understands the value of customers and the valueK of marketing, unlike the CEO's of Digital, Compaq (excluding Pfeiffer), anddJ HP. Were Sun to have announced a Sparc-icide, how long would it have taken to spell 'bankruptcy'?   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Mar 2004 19:29:18 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)I Subject: Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0403121929.6c6ab13e@posting.google.com>a  x "Ken Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com> wrote in message news:<Xnr4c.90668$eL2.4850859@twister.southeast.rr.com>... > >pM > > Sun's choice of words, while sort of meaning the same as 'Alpha is dead',nI > > clearly does not piss customers off in the same way that Curly did in" > 2001.  >  >  > You mean Sparc is dead?n  9 NO! It will still live as an AMD chip ... because the x86S8 boat anchor is no different, that is they will still try9 to find ways to create an 80,000 chip box because that isD9 the only way they can fudge decent spec numbers to appearu4 to offer performance ... nothing will change ... not8 unless they can hire some more alpha engineers ... isn't8 it strange that a chip companies like sun criticized for9 years all are hiring alpha engineers and putting bits and 1 pieces of alpha technology into their designs? :)e   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:11:37 GMTr9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>sI Subject: Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Serversa/ Message-ID: <JIj5c.851$qv.393@news.cpqcorp.net>o  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageC news:t7v4c.21572$1gU1.15168@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...o > >t > >  > > You mean Sparc is dead?r >s >.J > Reading between the lines, probably yes. Not this generation or the next- > ones due, but most probably the ones after.  >tL > Yet Sun has not said it in so many words, and not gone out of their way toK > tell their customers that they are killing a proven architecture in favori ofL > one that has yet to prove itself (funny, do I hear an echo of the Big Bang	 > here?).o >u  L As Lou Reed says - stick a fork in it, it's done.  Of course, if I was a SunA customer I'd want to know about the future of Sparc for planning.d   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:41:58 GMTd From: Beach Runner@nospam.comhC Subject: anyone mscp serving Fiber diks from Alpha 7.3-1 to VAX 6.2T* Message-ID: <404F7D96.F1DE9011@cfl.rr.com>  F It is not a supported thing to do. Does anyone successfully do it?  If so, I'd love to ask some
 questions.   Beach Runner   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 17:48:06 +0000 (UTC)e7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)bG Subject: Re: anyone mscp serving Fiber diks from Alpha 7.3-1 to VAX 6.2e( Message-ID: <c2q8om$vdi$2@pcls4.std.com>   Beach Runner@nospam.com writes:     G >It is not a supported thing to do. Does anyone successfully do it?  Ifs >so, I'd love to ask somer >questions.b  H You'll need at minimum the cluster compatibility kit for the V6.2 systemB to have a chance to see MSCP served port allocation class devices J (including FC). Beyond that, I don't know how well V6.2 plays in a clusterG with V7.3-1.  As you said, unsupported at best.  Much better if you can  upgrade the vax to V7.3. --   -Mike.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2004 16:27:12 -0800- From: phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer)$G Subject: Re: anyone mscp serving Fiber diks from Alpha 7.3-1 to VAX 6.2e= Message-ID: <5ee1d1b7.0403111627.60d90c8c@posting.google.com>a  O Beach Runner@nospam.com wrote in message news:<404F7D96.F1DE9011@cfl.rr.com>...aH > It is not a supported thing to do. Does anyone successfully do it?  If > so, I'd love to ask some > questions. >  > Beach Runner  % Our current cluster configuration is:l   VAX 4000-705A VMS V6.2 AlphaServer ES40 OpenVMS V7.3   D It has worked very well.  The only thing I have noticed is a messageB at startup saying I have different versions of VMS in the cluster.    D I am able to MSCP server disk drives both directions.  Have not doneF this yet with Fibr3e drives but will be doing it soon.  (Have a ton of+ patches to install over the next few days.)   D I figure if I have a disk drive visible to the V7.3 system as a diskD it should be MSCP served to the VAX same as the SCSI drives that are( local to the ES40 are served to the VAX.   PT   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 13:20:50 GMT  From: Beach Runner@nospam.comcG Subject: Re: anyone mscp serving Fiber diks from Alpha 7.3-1 to VAX 6.2m* Message-ID: <40530AB2.734BD49D@cfl.rr.com>  N He can see other disks (local scsi), just not msa fiber disks. They show up as served on the Alpha,Q but the VAXes don't see it.  It's a migratory configuration, there are other ways- to move-7 the data.  I'm mostly curious if anyone has it working.t   PhilThayer wrote:   Q > Beach Runner@nospam.com wrote in message news:<404F7D96.F1DE9011@cfl.rr.com>...5J > > It is not a supported thing to do. Does anyone successfully do it?  If > > so, I'd love to ask some > > questions. > >v > > Beach Runner >.' > Our current cluster configuration is:8 >A > VAX 4000-705A VMS V6.2 > AlphaServer ES40 OpenVMS V7.3. >pF > It has worked very well.  The only thing I have noticed is a messageD > at startup saying I have different versions of VMS in the cluster. > F > I am able to MSCP server disk drives both directions.  Have not doneH > this yet with Fibr3e drives but will be doing it soon.  (Have a ton of- > patches to install over the next few days.)  > F > I figure if I have a disk drive visible to the V7.3 system as a diskF > it should be MSCP served to the VAX same as the SCSI drives that are* > local to the ES40 are served to the VAX. >  > PT   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 15:40:28 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) G Subject: Re: anyone mscp serving Fiber diks from Alpha 7.3-1 to VAX 6.2i( Message-ID: <c2va1c$ube$1@pcls4.std.com>   Beach Runner@nospam.com writes:n  O >He can see other disks (local scsi), just not msa fiber disks. They show up asi >served on the Alpha, R >but the VAXes don't see it.  It's a migratory configuration, there are other ways >to move8 >the data.  I'm mostly curious if anyone has it working.  F Without the cluster compatibility kit for V6.2, they'll see 'ordinary'C SCSI drives fine but not SCSI drives using port allocation classes,oF and due to the way things work, fibrechannel drives.  There is no codeE in unmodified V6.2 to deal with such drives, and newer versions' MSCPr> servers detect the older VMS and won't serve the drives to it.     --   -Mikeo   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 07:11:52 -0500s4 From: "Victor Mendham" <victor.mendham@sympatico.ca>( Subject: Re: Anyone need a MicroVax 20009 Message-ID: <aDD3c.3861$j05.247820@news20.bellglobal.com>   J I would be interested if you tell me what it would cost to courier or send by mail to Toronto Canada.D I manage over 120 OpenVMS servers and would love to have a test play machine, for my home..    H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:Bm$Hc9v9Hv3F@eisner.encompasserve.org...hE > In article <ctdi40p0en1evsqinufmqd85rvkbip7ukj@4ax.com>, Randy Park ' <rjpark@mindspring.nospaam.com> writes:(I > > I'm cleaning out the office and I no longer need my MicroVax 2000.  InF > > know it's old.  I basically used it for testing installs and other	 stuff.  I J > > used it both as a satellite node in a cluster and booting from its ownD > > disk.  It has VMS 5.2 loaded on an RD53 (~72MB).  It also has an  > > expansion box on the bottom. > >iI > > I'm currently in Seattle, Washington but will be driving to San Diegor > > in early May.c > >lH > > Anyone interested?  I would rather not toss in in the garbage can ifJ > > someone can use it.  I doubt that it's worth the trouble to list it on E-Bay. > C >    Any idea what it would cost to ship to the east coast?  I knowoA >    someone who might pay shipping if the cost can be contained.  >e   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:19:35 GMTi0 From: glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>( Subject: Re: Anyone need a MicroVax 20000 Message-ID: <rLK3c.517531$I06.5836301@attbi_s01>   Victor Mendham wrote:l  L > I would be interested if you tell me what it would cost to courier or send > by mail to Toronto Canada.  A eBay seller janystuff was trying to sell a microVAX 2000 for $20,e  with $30 shipping, from Toronto.  1 no bids were received, and the auction has ended.l  1 It is against eBay rules, and otherwise difficult 7 to find contact information for sellers that you aren't % in an ongoing or closed auction with.   5 You might follow janystuff and see what else appears.o   -- glena   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 04:37:49 -0600 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) Subject: Anyone out there?1 Message-ID: <04031204374902@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>m  N Testing this bloody thing.  Not getting e-mail from IV for a couple of days... too quite...     J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n1 VMS Systems Administratorr* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 17:11:07 +0100-" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> Subject: Re: Anyone out there?2 Message-ID: <4051e11b$0$313$636a15ce@news.free.fr>   u'r not alone, John...   D.   John Brandon wrote: P > Testing this bloody thing.  Not getting e-mail from IV for a couple of days... > too quite... >  >  > J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*nl > VMS Systems Administratoru, > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   --  2 VAXUS - Your new helpful friend in the DEC Family!2 EHQ: 19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France/       Phone: +336 7983 6418 Fax: +335 6154 1928r$                 http://www.vaxus.org   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 21:55:37 +0000 (UTC)h6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: Anyone out there?0 Message-ID: <newscache$xyghuh$63r$1@news.sil.at>  \ In article <04031204374902@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) writes:O >Testing this bloody thing.  Not getting e-mail from IV for a couple of days...n
 >too quite...a   How about NNTP ?  F MOZILLA (and NEWSRDR, TIN, MXRN, SLRN, ANU, ...) does it on OpenVMS...   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERn% Network and OpenVMS system specialistp E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 15:10:46 +0100m, From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>5 Subject: Re: Are RZ29B and RZ28D supposed to be LOUD?.: Message-ID: <c2v4pa$21pel0$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>  # <guppy@fish.org> schreef in berichts2 news:p5kr40l527pi8jbnndeosc76dljoqajq0c@4ax.com...: > On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:09:05 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Aichinger! > <ralph@dolphy.pangea.at> wrote:h > 1 > >I know, this is not a strict VMS question, but 4 > >I think there might be knowledgeable people here: > >D2 > >I just got an AlphaStation 255 with 2 disks and4 > >a CD-Rom. It is unbelievably loud. It sounds like1 > >a dentist's drill as soon as the disks spin up 6 > >(or I suppose it is the disks giving these noises). >j > >R	 > >/ralphg > H > This really isn't unusual for old RZXX drives that have been spun downG > for a while.  Most of the time all you need to do is turn the machinegG > on and leave it on until the drives get back in the groove of things,nF > so to speak.  At that point, the noise should diminish considerably. > Several hours should do it.n >oA > If the noise stays the same, or gets worse, consider that it ismF > entirely possible that the RZ28D has been spinning at 7200 RPM sinceA > the mid-90's, putting it's life expectency well down on the fareF > right-hand side of the bell curve.  So, if you are going to have anyD > important data on this machine, timely backups would be essential. >IL That's very likely the best decsription so far. RZ26 and RZ28 series are oldL devices by now. Built around 1992, plus or minus a few years. So these disksL are (at least) 10 years old. I don't particularly see IDE Maxtor drives live to that ripe age ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 19:12:54 +0100c, From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>5 Subject: Re: Are RZ29B and RZ28D supposed to be LOUD? : Message-ID: <c2viuv$21n3po$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>  = "Ralph Aichinger" <ralph@dolphy.pangea.at> schreef in bericht-( news:1079198221.498716@news.liwest.at...- > Hans Vlems <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl> wrote:HL > > That's very likely the best decsription so far. RZ26 and RZ28 series are old6J > > devices by now. Built around 1992, plus or minus a few years. So these disks K > > are (at least) 10 years old. I don't particularly see IDE Maxtor drivesD live > > to that ripe age ... >  > Thanks everybody!, >dA > The data on the drives are not critical, I just want to install E > the Debian Linux port (I've got a second machine, I want to try outn8 > VMS on later) basically to try out a new architecture. >eC > After one day the drive was a lot less loud, but co-workers stillrB > don't allow me to let it run in the office, because ist is stillG > rather annoying. I will swap the drives against something more silenthD > (from an old Mac or whatever, basically "desktop" type SCSI drives; > instead of the loud "server" drives in the AlphaStation).B >c> > I am very impressed with the firmware on these machines BTW,; > After switching it from AlphaBios to SRM, it is much more"8 > userfriedly than both usual PC-type BIOSes and the Sun > boot monitor.t >  > /ralph   Good luck !    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 17:46:36 +0000 (UTC)5. From: Ralph Aichinger <ralph@dolphy.pangea.at>5 Subject: Re: Are RZ29B and RZ28D supposed to be LOUD?i. Message-ID: <1079198221.498716@news.liwest.at>  + Hans Vlems <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl> wrote:lN > That's very likely the best decsription so far. RZ26 and RZ28 series are oldN > devices by now. Built around 1992, plus or minus a few years. So these disksN > are (at least) 10 years old. I don't particularly see IDE Maxtor drives live > to that ripe age ...   Thanks everybody!t  @ The data on the drives are not critical, I just want to install C the Debian Linux port (I've got a second machine, I want to try out:6 VMS on later) basically to try out a new architecture.  A After one day the drive was a lot less loud, but co-workers stille@ don't allow me to let it run in the office, because ist is stillE rather annoying. I will swap the drives against something more silentaB (from an old Mac or whatever, basically "desktop" type SCSI drives9 instead of the loud "server" drives in the AlphaStation).s  < I am very impressed with the firmware on these machines BTW,9 After switching it from AlphaBios to SRM, it is much mores7 userfriedly than both usual PC-type BIOSes and the Sun L
 boot monitor.n   /ralph   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:21:16 +0100#" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>$ Subject: Athlon 64 vs Opteron: diff?2 Message-ID: <4051f18c$0$312$636a15ce@news.free.fr>  I Could someone please share some light on the differences between the AMD n% Athlon-64 and the Opteron processors?o   Thanks,#   D. -- t2 VAXUS - Your new helpful friend in the DEC Family!2 EHQ: 19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France/       Phone: +336 7983 6418 Fax: +335 6154 1928e$                 http://www.vaxus.org   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:01:19 GMT 0 From: glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>( Subject: Re: Athlon 64 vs Opteron: diff?- Message-ID: <jGo4c.18120$YG.195301@attbi_s01>p   Didier Morandi wrote:r  K > Could someone please share some light on the differences between the AMD -' > Athlon-64 and the Opteron processors?   4 Other than that neither run VMS, the answer I got in3 comp.lang.fortran was that Opteron was designed forg& multiprocessing, and Athlon64 was not.  4 It might be that Opteron boards will be designed for5 two (or more) processors though it will run with one,m# but I haven't looked into that yet.    -- gleno   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 02:56:02 -0500e* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>( Subject: Re: Athlon 64 vs Opteron: diff?2 Message-ID: <1OidnYOwx6nzI8_dRVn-jA@metrocast.net>  / "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> wrote in messagei, news:4051f18c$0$312$636a15ce@news.free.fr...J > Could someone please share some light on the differences between the AMD' > Athlon-64 and the Opteron processors?E  F The first has a 64-bit wide memory interface, the second 128 bits wideI (i.e., double the bandwidth) - except that the FX5x Athlon64 is really an:) Opteron in disguise, so is 128 bits wide.c  J For a while, the Opteron required registered DRAM and the Athlon64 didn't,H and only the latter supported DDR400 (though that last may not longer be true).  G So far, all Opterons have the full 1 MB of L2 on-chip cache, while somer3 Athlon64s may, or at least will shortly, have less.e  > Only the Opteron 2xx and 8xx series support MP configurations.  % There are also variations in sockets.n   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 19:48:25 GMT / From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks)eJ Subject: Re: C vs. Macro-32 (Was: Re: User-written system service, how to)- Message-ID: <Wk9ZQ0Uft3HX@cuebid.zko.dec.com>.  " VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:6 >"Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:  N >>As far as the original poster goes: Your main problem is you are programmingN >>in C where memory allocation appears to be a complete mystery to most peopleJ >>including the authors of the UWSS examples in sys$examples on Alpha. NowM >>because C is a piece o' shit for User-written System Services you should be N >>using the MACRO-32 compiler but you'll quickly find that this is anathema toJ >>the nanny-state revisionists that have poisoned the well at VMS for manyA >>years. If you think I'm being paranoid and delusional about VMSJM >>engineering's Fahrenheit 451 approach to MACRO programming then show me the0I >>MACRO examples in sys$examples: Go on! Get on your VAX and do a $DIR ofaL >>examples and its sub-directories for .MAR and then compare to what you getN >>on Alpha. Don't worry, I'm sure all of "The Disappeared" will be returned to >>their loved ones on Itanium. >> >>Cheers Richard Maher > , > Well said and filed in my archive Richard.  E Well, OK.  You might find it interesting to note that that among manyeC long-time VMS engineers here at Spit Brook Road, rewriting Macro-32GD to C is actually considered a good thing.  Note that this is not dueD to some infiltration by a younger, Unix-oriented crowd.  This is theN view of some of the most senior VMS engineers, who've been here for as long asE VMS has existed, or have played a critical role in several patentableg innovations.    H I'm not claiming that there is consensus on this thought, nor is there aL general directive to rewrite;  there are other engineers who are as ardent a. Macro-32 fan as some folks in this news group.  C The primary reasons for the C over Macro-32 are maintainability and- performance.  I The performance on IA64 is especially relevant, as the IMACRO compiler is K necessarily conservative about register saving and restoring between called E routines.  While still an issue on VAX and Alpha, it's not as extreme  as on IA64.r  H For OpenVMS on IA64, the C compiler will be the only compiler whose codeH generation will continue to be improved over time.  The BLISS and IMACROK compilers use the GEM backend for code generation.  It is not expected that C this backend will move forward as enhancements are made to the IA64o
 architecture.   M Note that I'm not a compiler person, so it is possible that what I've writteneD isn't gospel, but I believe it's relatively accurate with respect to what I've heard others say.l  A On the other hand, it's not every day that you see a Ray Bradburym reference in comp.os.vms . . .   -- -  M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.comp   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 23:36:02 GMT4& From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>J Subject: Re: C vs. Macro-32 (Was: Re: User-written system service, how to)0 Message-ID: <CDN3c.684$4b3.376@news.cpqcorp.net>   Rob Brooks wrote:h   > K > The performance on IA64 is especially relevant, as the IMACRO compiler isoM > necessarily conservative about register saving and restoring between calledkG > routines.  While still an issue on VAX and Alpha, it's not as extremer
 > as on IA64.   G Correct.  Macro-32 on Itanium does have to save/restore more registers  E around some external calls to cover over the fact that the preserved  C register set is smaller on OpenVMS I64.  The register saves are to  C stacked registers, but those will eventually turn into real memory :E writes/reads in the register stack engine.  We're trying to tune the 0I code still, but there will always be more overhead by default (there are  , directives to give the compiler more hints).   > J > For OpenVMS on IA64, the C compiler will be the only compiler whose codeJ > generation will continue to be improved over time.  The BLISS and IMACROM > compilers use the GEM backend for code generation.  It is not expected that E > this backend will move forward as enhancements are made to the IA64  > architecture.1  H Not quite true.  The C++ compiler is an Intel compiler.  The C compiler ? at present is a GEM-based compiler.  Our goal is to provide an rD Intel-based C compiler in the future.  We are looking at Fortran as E well, but I'm not close enough to the process to read the tea leaves.      -- 1 John Reagano/ HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 07:06:33 +0800n, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>J Subject: Re: C vs. Macro-32 (Was: Re: User-written system service, how to)- Message-ID: <87d67gs5xi.fsf@prep.synonet.com>o  1 brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes:   B > Well, OK.  You might find it interesting to note that that amongA > many long-time VMS engineers here at Spit Brook Road, rewritinggD > Macro-32 to C is actually considered a good thing.  Note that thisD > is not due to some infiltration by a younger, Unix-oriented crowd.C > This is the view of some of the most senior VMS engineers, who've E > been here for as long as VMS has existed, or have played a criticall) > role in several patentable innovations.t  B So what is the VMS group going to do when the Itanic sinks totally< and Intel pulls the plug on the DEC C and Fortran compilers?   -- n< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.w@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 01:09:28 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>J Subject: Re: C vs. Macro-32 (Was: Re: User-written system service, how to)( Message-ID: <4053F6F4.7AD07D9@istop.com>   Paul Repacholi wrote:oD > So what is the VMS group going to do when the Itanic sinks totally> > and Intel pulls the plug on the DEC C and Fortran compilers?  M Which was an Intel work of art: steal the compiler people from Dec. This way,iL when IA64 sinks, HP is forced to use an Intel solution because it depends on Intel for compilers.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 00:27:25 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>J Subject: Re: C vs. Macro-32 (Was: Re: User-written system service, how to)0 Message-ID: <NL65c.832$cR7.639@news.cpqcorp.net>   Paul Repacholi wrote:n  D > So what is the VMS group going to do when the Itanic sinks totally> > and Intel pulls the plug on the DEC C and Fortran compilers? >   D Huh?  The OpenVMS I64 C and Fortran compilers are still here in HP. E They are the same front-ends that are used on OpenVMS Alpha and they :I both use the GEM code generator.  Intel doesn't have OpenVMS versions of .I the Fortran or C++ compiler (although we take the Intel C++ compiler and  - rehost/target it for OpenVMS I64 here at HP).t     -- S John Reaganp/ HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leaderr Hewlett-Packard Company.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:06:18 -0600 . From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>0 Subject: Checking Operating Temperature of Alpha9 Message-ID: <4051e005$0$440$7f8943f3@newsreader.visi.com>s  
 Hello all,  6 I have number of Alpha 4000s, ES40s, ES45s, and ES47s.  7 Is there a way query the system's internal temperature?,  & I looked and couldn't find anything...   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Mar 04 11:09:44 PST From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.comf4 Subject: Re: Checking Operating Temperature of Alpha( Message-ID: <ZyGJfHVvk37g@cpva.saic.com>  9 In article <4051e005$0$440$7f8943f3@newsreader.visi.com>,f1  Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> writes:  > Hello all, > 8 > I have number of Alpha 4000s, ES40s, ES45s, and ES47s. > 9 > Is there a way query the system's internal temperature?t >   + Depends on the vintage... 4000s no; ES yes.o  ( > I looked and couldn't find anything... >   . Google comp.os.vms for "SHOW_POWER" and Jacobi   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:26:47 +0100c, From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>4 Subject: Re: Checking Operating Temperature of Alpha: Message-ID: <c2t2th$21cunc$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>  = "Lyndon Bartels" <lbartels@pressenter.com> schreef in berichts3 news:4051e005$0$440$7f8943f3@newsreader.visi.com...a > Hello all, >u8 > I have number of Alpha 4000s, ES40s, ES45s, and ES47s. >n9 > Is there a way query the system's internal temperature?  > ( > I looked and couldn't find anything... >y  J This bit of DCL works on a Digital Server 5305. The 5305 rather similar toI an AlphaServer 1200 (most notably that its skins are white) and a 1200 is - basically half a 4100. You might be lucky....0   $!+p $!  temperature.comM $!  ---------------s= $!  Displays the temperature for each cpu in degrees Celsius.:K $!  The highest temperature is assigned to the logical name SYSTEM_MAX_TEMPl $!  No input parameters. $!-u $   if p1.nes."" $   thenB $       write sys$output "No parameters required; scanning: ''p1'"	 $   endif ' $   temp=f$getsyi("temperature_vector")  $loop:" $   if f$extract(0,1,temp).eqs."F" $   then $       temp=temp-"F"s $       goto loop 	 $   endifn $   max_temp=0	 $   cpu=0e $lus:e* $   tmp=f$extract(f$length(temp)-2,2,temp), $   write sys$output "CPU ''cpu': ''temp' C"> $   if f$integer(tmp).gt.max_temp then max_temp=f$integer(tmp) $   temp=temp-tmpl
 $   cpu=cpu+1i( $   if f$length(temp).ne.0 then goto lus+ $   define/system system_max_temp 'max_tempa $   exit   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 05:12:54 GMTe% From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com>e4 Subject: Re: Checking Operating Temperature of Alpha8 Message-ID: <qRR4c.52045$QP.22665@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>  9 Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> wrote in messages3 news:4051e005$0$440$7f8943f3@newsreader.visi.com...  > Hello all, >n8 > I have number of Alpha 4000s, ES40s, ES45s, and ES47s. >y9 > Is there a way query the system's internal temperature?  > ( > I looked and couldn't find anything... >    Lyndon:i  : The ES40's and 45's you can access from a VMS level query.  H The ES47's you can get it directly from the MBM console.  It gives you 36 different temperature reading if I remmeber correctly.     Mike   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Mar 2004 16:59:36 -0800& From: denny_rich@ameritech.net (Denny)G Subject: Re: Checking Operating Temperature of Alpha; resetting the OCPn= Message-ID: <2a9d9498.0403141659.422403cd@posting.google.com>   o Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> wrote in message news:<4051e005$0$440$7f8943f3@newsreader.visi.com>...o > Hello all, > 8 > I have number of Alpha 4000s, ES40s, ES45s, and ES47s. > 9 > Is there a way query the system's internal temperature?p > ( > I looked and couldn't find anything...  > Similar question: ES45: We had PS2 fail. Now the OCP says "PS2E Failed", and i don't know how to reset this other than to reboot (nott an option!).  A Any hints?  I've looked in the owner's manual but may have missed 
 something.   thanks   dennyr   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2004 10:14:47 -0800 From: tim267@msn.com (Tim)/ Subject: Converting PCL5e dev ctl libs to PCL5c < Message-ID: <327155b6.0403151014.7d796b9@posting.google.com>  A Reason for this e-mail is I am rusty in setting up device control3C libraries and need some assistance with PCL modules. First a little-+ backround in case some has had do the same.   
 backround:E Corporate recently contracted with IKON for a multitude of CANON 3200R@ color printers. Expectation being they would plug in and replaceF various HP laserjet black&white printers. Hey, its all PCL5 right? Not quite.  B Our device control libraries are set for PCL5e and the Canon ColorF printers understand PCL5c. At least thats the vendors explaination for@ problem with certain print jobs. The PCL5e and PCL5c tables look, almost too exact to be causing any problems.  
 Questions:  E The following module is for PCL5e Lanscape/compress/pitch8. I need toS: understand the module fully before I can convert to PCL5c.    <esc>&l1o5.45C<esc>&k2S<esc>(8U    I understand that:   &l1o = landscape &k2S = compresse (8U = pitchr  / There are a few characters I do not understand.m  
 5.45c = ?????m  ) If someone could explain the "." as well. 5 Any information on this matter is greatly appreciatedo   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2004 13:00:54 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)3 Subject: Re: Converting PCL5e dev ctl libs to PCL5ce3 Message-ID: <EPinj9paamMf@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Y In article <327155b6.0403151014.7d796b9@posting.google.com>, tim267@msn.com (Tim) writes:  > + > If someone could explain the "." as well. 7 > Any information on this matter is greatly appreciatedS  8 You need the PCL/PJL technical reference guides/manuals.  5 You can download them for free in PDF format from HP.:  H I don't remember exactly where I got my set from, and since the full set9 is about 40MB, I'm not about to start mailing them out...D  . Here are the filenames to help you in looking:   BPL13210 PDF     3,080,420 BPL13212 PDF     2,506,752 BPL13205 PDF     3,399,207 BPL13211 PDF     3,900,177 BPL13209 PDF     2,391,789 BPL13208 PDF     3,003,529 BPL13207 PDF     3,262,607 BPL13206 PDF    17,760,416'          8 file(s)     39,304,897 bytes    Simon.   -- "B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       P SCO: Proudly pushing Microsoft down to #2 on the list of most disliked companies   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:31:47 GMTe9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>f) Subject: Re: Customising Decwindows loginp/ Message-ID: <7Ml5c.861$lC.444@news.cpqcorp.net>s   Don't spaz out ;-)  9 Try creating DISK:[SYSn.CDE$DEFAULTS.USER.APP-DEFAULTS.C]o  I and copying it there.  That is, look at SHO LOG CDE$* and notice that the I logicals allow for system-specific directories - although by default nonehH exist.  Just create the directories, and copy the file there.  Then it'sA just on your clustered WS.  I assumed that you weren't clustered.u  * Not sure what an ambidexterous setting is.      9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message ' news:878yi4s5a1.fsf@prep.synonet.com...,= > "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes:l >o3 > > CDE$SYSTEM_COMMON:[APP-DEFAULTS.C]DTSESSION.DATd >i > > Add a line something like: >a > > Dtsession*ButtonMap:  3,2,1  > B > That is even WORSE!! So now it is strictly lefthanded instead ofB > right. This will please a small number of users and piss off the$ > rest no end. Fine fix for windows. > 5 > So, could ALL login screens please be ambidextrous.h >c > --  > > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.hB >                                              West Australia 6076, > comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot0 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H > EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2004 07:02:13 -0800( From: pulley_p@hotmail.com (Phil Pulley)% Subject: Customising Decwindows loginF= Message-ID: <7041fc41.0403100702.77d59c53@posting.google.com>6  F I am trying to find a quick and easy way to achieve the following on a8 standalone Alpha running OPenVMS 7.2-1 and Decwindows...  A I need to display a privacy warning message on the initial screenaB where the 'start session' window and D I G I T A L logo appear. It7 doesn't matter where it appears as long as its obvious. E My initial thinking was that there must be a way, by setting logicals B in the various initialisation files, to customise the appearance &A content of the 'start session' window. However, my perusal of thei( manuals has not yet revealed a solution.  @ I also need to display something following user login  - I triedB setting up the text in SYS$ANNOUNCE but it doesn't appear anywhereE obvious so I assume this is not effective when using Decwindows - anyi ideas how I can do this easily?b  @ Any info/suggestions from you experts out there would be greatly appreciated.   TIA-   Phil   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:59:28 GMTm9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> ) Subject: Re: Customising Decwindows logins0 Message-ID: <4II3c.636$EO2.204@news.cpqcorp.net>  F OK.  There are two mechanisms.  The simplest requires V7.3-2 and MotifI V1.3-1.  You can create a file called SYS$MANAGER:DECW$GREET.TXT and this I will be displayed in a popup (with an OK button) when the login box comesi up.  Perfect for what you want.o   The second is to edit -   7 [VMS$COMMON.CDE$DEFAULTS.SYSTEM.CONFIG.C]XRESOURCES.DATo  C (you probably want to copy this to .USER. from .SYSTEM. and edit itp	 there...)t  & Look for Dtlogin*greeting.labelString:  B It will be commented out, and by default is Welcome to %localhost%  & You can change this to something like:  2 Dtlogin*greeting.labelString:  Welcome to Heck \n\B This is a Trusted System owned by the Rulers of the planet Zark\n\ \n\- We Come In Peace\n\e \n6 If you want Privacy, you've come to the wrong place\n\ \n   The lines are centered for you.r  J In most Motif versions, you can only get about 8 lines of text even if youI change the fonts.  In V1.3 and later I changed the widget attachements so ( that you can get 25 lines or so of text.    5 "Phil Pulley" <pulley_p@hotmail.com> wrote in message17 news:7041fc41.0403100702.77d59c53@posting.google.com....H > I am trying to find a quick and easy way to achieve the following on a: > standalone Alpha running OPenVMS 7.2-1 and Decwindows... >sC > I need to display a privacy warning message on the initial screenoD > where the 'start session' window and D I G I T A L logo appear. It9 > doesn't matter where it appears as long as its obvious.uG > My initial thinking was that there must be a way, by setting logicalssD > in the various initialisation files, to customise the appearance &C > content of the 'start session' window. However, my perusal of the,* > manuals has not yet revealed a solution. > B > I also need to display something following user login  - I triedD > setting up the text in SYS$ANNOUNCE but it doesn't appear anywhereG > obvious so I assume this is not effective when using Decwindows - anya! > ideas how I can do this easily?e >bB > Any info/suggestions from you experts out there would be greatly > appreciated. >n > TIA4 >9 > Phil   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2004 13:03:38 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)n) Subject: Re: Customising Decwindows logine3 Message-ID: <3OM78TMv$h+K@eisner.encompasserve.org>S  h In article <7041fc41.0403100702.77d59c53@posting.google.com>, pulley_p@hotmail.com (Phil Pulley) writes:H > I am trying to find a quick and easy way to achieve the following on a: > standalone Alpha running OPenVMS 7.2-1 and Decwindows... > C > I need to display a privacy warning message on the initial screencA > where the 'start session' window and D I G I T A L logo appear.s  >    In sys$manager:decw$private_apps_setup.com you need to set F    decw$loginlogo as a DCL symbol pointing to a program which displays    what you want.   F    In mine, it points to a .com file which runs a variation of Motif's?    pict.c which display's a GIF file.  The GIF file was made byrH    displaying the required warning text in a DECterm window and snapping    it with John Bradleys' xv.h  H    The variation is simply to remove all of pict's keyboard/mouse input G    capability for security reasons.  Having done some X11 programming atH    while back, I'm sure it wouldn't be to hard to display a text messageH    directly, but originally I was displaying the VMS shark logo, which I    had as a .gif file.  <    OBTW, whatever you display will replace the digital logo.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:09:29 -0500s* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>) Subject: Re: Customising Decwindows login ) Message-ID: <404F75F8.B6480BEC@istop.com>V   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > H > OK.  There are two mechanisms.  The simplest requires V7.3-2 and MotifK > V1.3-1.  You can create a file called SYS$MANAGER:DECW$GREET.TXT and thiseK > will be displayed in a popup (with an OK button) when the login box comese! > up.  Perfect for what you want.   J Another way is to look up the "ask the wizard" (or is it FAQ ?) for how toM change the image displayed at the login screen (the digital logo by default).vN You could then generate your own corporate logo that includes the desired text
 in the image.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:17:10 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>l) Subject: Re: Customising Decwindows loging0 Message-ID: <aJK3c.662$m13.650@news.cpqcorp.net>  : An ugly way to do what you want, but sure.  What the heck.  H The DECW$GREET.TXT mechanism in V1.3-X is a direct response to the cited requirement.  I The XRESOURCES method is a standard CDE mechanism and allows you to do itiH without the seperate popup dialog (again noting that in old versions theE widget attachements were pretty poorly done and limited the number of6K lines) - and still allows you to put a standard or custom logo in the loginl box.    7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messagei# news:404F75F8.B6480BEC@istop.com...  > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > >aJ > > OK.  There are two mechanisms.  The simplest requires V7.3-2 and MotifH > > V1.3-1.  You can create a file called SYS$MANAGER:DECW$GREET.TXT and thisG > > will be displayed in a popup (with an OK button) when the login boxi comes # > > up.  Perfect for what you want.0 > L > Another way is to look up the "ask the wizard" (or is it FAQ ?) for how toE > change the image displayed at the login screen (the digital logo byT	 default).dK > You could then generate your own corporate logo that includes the desiredh text > in the image.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:41:09 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG) Subject: Re: Customising Decwindows loginu0 Message-ID: <00A2EA3E.95AABB05@SendSpamHere.ORG>  J >The XRESOURCES method is a standard CDE mechanism and allows you to do itI >without the seperate popup dialog (again noting that in old versions theeF >widget attachements were pretty poorly done and limited the number ofL >lines) - and still allows you to put a standard or custom logo in the login >box.   J OK. While we're on this subject of customizing the DW/Motif login, how canI I get rid of the retarded right-handedness of the login?  I can do it fory) my own account but not before logging in.l   --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.e -- tK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMy            t5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" -   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:05:51 GMTd9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>a) Subject: Re: Customising Decwindows login00 Message-ID: <3jM3c.669$1Z2.414@news.cpqcorp.net>  / CDE$SYSTEM_COMMON:[APP-DEFAULTS.C]DTSESSION.DATo   Add a line something like:   Dtsession*ButtonMap:  3,2,1       , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A2EA3E.95AABB05@SendSpamHere.ORG...L > >The XRESOURCES method is a standard CDE mechanism and allows you to do itK > >without the seperate popup dialog (again noting that in old versions the'H > >widget attachements were pretty poorly done and limited the number ofH > >lines) - and still allows you to put a standard or custom logo in the login  > >box.a >0L > OK. While we're on this subject of customizing the DW/Motif login, how canK > I get rid of the retarded right-handedness of the login?  I can do it fors+ > my own account but not before logging in.r >c > --D > http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityE >                             solutions that others only claim to be.- > -- -2 > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >.6 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2004 03:51:14 -0800( From: pulley_p@hotmail.com (Phil Pulley)) Subject: Re: Customising Decwindows loginu= Message-ID: <7041fc41.0403110351.67c4f01b@posting.google.com>l  q "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message news:<4II3c.636$EO2.204@news.cpqcorp.net>... H > OK.  There are two mechanisms.  The simplest requires V7.3-2 and MotifK > V1.3-1.  You can create a file called SYS$MANAGER:DECW$GREET.TXT and thisxK > will be displayed in a popup (with an OK button) when the login box comes0! > up.  Perfect for what you want.. >  > The second is to edit -  > 9 > [VMS$COMMON.CDE$DEFAULTS.SYSTEM.CONFIG.C]XRESOURCES.DAT3 > E > (you probably want to copy this to .USER. from .SYSTEM. and edit ito > there...)  > ( > Look for Dtlogin*greeting.labelString: > D > It will be commented out, and by default is Welcome to %localhost% > ( > You can change this to something like: > 4 > Dtlogin*greeting.labelString:  Welcome to Heck \n\D > This is a Trusted System owned by the Rulers of the planet Zark\n\ > \n\e > We Come In Peace\n\0 > \n8 > If you want Privacy, you've come to the wrong place\n\ > \n > ! > The lines are centered for you.  > L > In most Motif versions, you can only get about 8 lines of text even if youK > change the fonts.  In V1.3 and later I changed the widget attachements soe* > that you can get 25 lines or so of text.  F Method 2 sounded ideal ... but I now realise I am not using the Common@ Desktop Environment (CDE) but rather the 'traditional DECWindowsA desktop - is there any way I can achieve the required result witha this?   @ If not I guess I can swap to the CDE but, as its a legacy system, running only 1 app it might upset the users.   Look forward to any replies.  D Sorry if a previous incomplete posting turns up - finger trouble :-)   Phil   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2004 07:22:24 -0800. From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk (Martin Kirby)) Subject: Re: Customising Decwindows login < Message-ID: <224291b.0403110722.39692b3b@posting.google.com>   Phil,a  < To achieve a message displayed after login you can create a > DECW$SYLOGIN file that executes and displays a window of your ( devicing. DECW$SYLOGIN is executed from 7 SYS$MANAGER:DECW$STARTSM.COM when starting the session.s  8 You can use DECW$LOGINLOGOSUB as Bob Koehler describes.   ? Or you should be able to configure the text that normally says t- "Start session on..." by defining a resource h: "k_login_start_session_text" (guessing this by looking at 
 the code).  : The place to do that would be in a DECW$LOGIN.DAT file in ; SYS$COMMON:[DECW$DEFAULTS.USER] copied from the SYSTEM one d and edited.a  ? I'm not sure how it will cope with long or multi-lined strings.s   Martin   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:28:07 GMTd9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>-) Subject: Re: Customising Decwindows login00 Message-ID: <rs04c.716$xM3.478@news.cpqcorp.net>  K Martin - for grins I tried to do the loginlogo thing.  I turned off the new1F desktop, defined a command file, created the file and... no logo - butH nothing else.  I know the command file executed - I had it write a dummy file with a token.   What it contained was:   $ xv :== $sys$manager:xv" $ xv -root sys$manager:myimage.gif  9 I can execute these commands when logged in and it works.p  8 I tried adding $ set displ/cre/trans=local  to no avail.  * This was on V7.3-2 (no patches installed).    ; "Martin Kirby" <martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in messagey6 news:224291b.0403110722.39692b3b@posting.google.com... > Phil,t > = > To achieve a message displayed after login you can create a ? > DECW$SYLOGIN file that executes and displays a window of youri) > devicing. DECW$SYLOGIN is executed from 9 > SYS$MANAGER:DECW$STARTSM.COM when starting the session.  > 9 > You can use DECW$LOGINLOGOSUB as Bob Koehler describes.n >I@ > Or you should be able to configure the text that normally says. > "Start session on..." by defining a resource; > "k_login_start_session_text" (guessing this by looking att > the code). > ; > The place to do that would be in a DECW$LOGIN.DAT file in < > SYS$COMMON:[DECW$DEFAULTS.USER] copied from the SYSTEM one
 > and edited.n >tA > I'm not sure how it will cope with long or multi-lined strings.  >o > Martin   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Mar 2004 02:12:17 -0800. From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk (Martin Kirby)) Subject: Re: Customising Decwindows login2; Message-ID: <224291b.0403120212.b646968@posting.google.com>.   Fred,>  > I tried, on V7.3-2 + V1.3-1 + Graphics Update 1, following theF instructions to configure the logo as given in the Managing DECwindows? manual. These worked fine to produce ICO as a replacement logo.d  D Therefore, I assume the issue is some problem with the way xv works,C something it assumes in the environment. You might want to try withaC DECW$LOGINLOGOSUB as true so it runs in a sub-process not detached.LE You might want to redirect SYS$ERROR to a log file and see if you can E capture any errors. You will presumably check the server log file for C any security issues and to see if xv has even tried the connection.i   Martin   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Mar 2004 06:43:18 -0800( From: pulley_p@hotmail.com (Phil Pulley)) Subject: Re: Customising Decwindows loginS= Message-ID: <7041fc41.0403120643.3f84e539@posting.google.com>o  r martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk (Martin Kirby) wrote in message news:<224291b.0403110722.39692b3b@posting.google.com>... > Phil,s > > > To achieve a message displayed after login you can create a @ > DECW$SYLOGIN file that executes and displays a window of your * > devicing. DECW$SYLOGIN is executed from 9 > SYS$MANAGER:DECW$STARTSM.COM when starting the session.e > : > You can use DECW$LOGINLOGOSUB as Bob Koehler describes.  > A > Or you should be able to configure the text that normally says 6/ > "Start session on..." by defining a resource  < > "k_login_start_session_text" (guessing this by looking at  > the code). > < > The place to do that would be in a DECW$LOGIN.DAT file in = > SYS$COMMON:[DECW$DEFAULTS.USER] copied from the SYSTEM one -
 > and edited.- >   A > I'm not sure how it will cope with long or multi-lined strings.d >  > Martin  ? I have just tried the last idea suggested above,  appending thej) following text to the DECW$LOGIN.DAT fileM  3       k_login_start_session_text: "PP test message"hB (I assume the * preceding each line comments it out, but tried the$ same line with a preceding * anyway)  F Unfortunately it does not appear to work - I still get the std message! "start session on ..." as before.h  F I see that you 'guessed' at the resource name 'k_login_...'  - how can I be sure what it is called?C What actually reads the DECW$LOGIN.DAT file? What code did you looke at? Can I see it?-   Any more ideas?   ? Sorry for the barrage of questions, as you can see I'm not that@; familiar with this system - any help very much appreciated.s     Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 07:20:38 +0800e, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>) Subject: Re: Customising Decwindows logins- Message-ID: <878yi4s5a1.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ; "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes:t  1 > CDE$SYSTEM_COMMON:[APP-DEFAULTS.C]DTSESSION.DATe   > Add a line something like:   > Dtsession*ButtonMap:  3,2,1y  @ That is even WORSE!! So now it is strictly lefthanded instead of@ right. This will please a small number of users and piss off the" rest no end. Fine fix for windows.  4 So, could ALL login screens please be ambidextrous.    -- h< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.t@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 12:53:40 +0200e4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com>) Subject: Re: Customising Decwindows logine& Message-ID: <405455D4.47DB9028@hp.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > M > Martin - for grins I tried to do the loginlogo thing.  I turned off the newaH > desktop, defined a command file, created the file and... no logo - butJ > nothing else.  I know the command file executed - I had it write a dummy > file with a token. >  > What it contained was: >  > $ xv :== $sys$manager:xv$ > $ xv -root sys$manager:myimage.gif > ; > I can execute these commands when logged in and it works.e > : > I tried adding $ set displ/cre/trans=local  to no avail. > , > This was on V7.3-2 (no patches installed). > = > "Martin Kirby" <martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in messageR8 > news:224291b.0403110722.39692b3b@posting.google.com...	 > > Phil,  > >m? > > To achieve a message displayed after login you can create auA > > DECW$SYLOGIN file that executes and displays a window of yourl+ > > devicing. DECW$SYLOGIN is executed fromu; > > SYS$MANAGER:DECW$STARTSM.COM when starting the session.m > >h; > > You can use DECW$LOGINLOGOSUB as Bob Koehler describes.o > >aB > > Or you should be able to configure the text that normally says0 > > "Start session on..." by defining a resourceD > > "k_login_start_session_text" (guessing this by looking           > > the code). > >c= > > The place to do that would be in a DECW$LOGIN.DAT file inr> > > SYS$COMMON:[DECW$DEFAULTS.USER] copied from the SYSTEM one > > and edited.l > >sC > > I'm not sure how it will cope with long or multi-lined strings.c > >s
 > > Martin  
 Works for me:e   $sho syst/noprocA OpenVMS V6.2  on node DANDAN  14-MAR-2004 12:49:12.92  Uptime  67r 19:33:46 ...e $@sys$update:decw$versions X7 DECwindows ident is                     DW V1.2-4970903b ....7 From atSYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]DECW$PRIVATE_APPS_SETUP.COM :l( $ !             SYMBOL  = DECW$LOGINLOGO0 $       DECW$LOGINLOGO == "SYS$MANAGER:LOGO.COM"+ $ !             SYMBOL  = DECW$LOGINLOGOSUBi .... $type SYS$MANAGER:LOGO.COM5 $ SET DISPLAY/CREATE/TRANSPORT=LOCAL/NODE=DANDAN/USERt $ XV :== $SYS$SYSTEM:XV.EXEy( $ XV  -VIEWONLY -GEOMETRY 250X250+520+75< SYS$MANAGER:VMS-LOGO.GIF                                     ....3 and it works. (VMS-LOGO.GIF is the old shark logo.)t     Mike -- bE ---------------------------------------------------------------------cE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.h? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*uF Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------s   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:24:10 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG) Subject: Re: Customising Decwindows logins0 Message-ID: <00A2ED26.3462D521@SendSpamHere.ORG>  \ In article <878yi4s5a1.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:< >"Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes: >r2 >> CDE$SYSTEM_COMMON:[APP-DEFAULTS.C]DTSESSION.DAT >s >> Add a line something like:t >o >> Dtsession*ButtonMap:  3,2,1 >dA >That is even WORSE!! So now it is strictly lefthanded instead of A >right. This will please a small number of users and piss off thee# >rest no end. Fine fix for windows.s  G In my case, I don't mind as I am the only one that uses my machines. :)   ) However, the ambidextrous idea is nice.  e  E The thing I love about my Apple PowerBook is the one button mouse.  IeD have the wireless bluetooth keyboard and mouse.  There's no "handed-E ness" to the mouse.  I can use it on the left and my wife can easily  = move the mouse to the right side and work away without issue.   F The thing that really pisses me off is the Micro$oft right-click/left-G click thing.  Confuses the piss out of me when I'm trying to use one of G those brain-fart machines.  That right-handedness mentality is too per-vF vasive with willywarez.  It is any wonder that people in their "right"& mind like me are so confused using it?   --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.- -- -K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMR            p5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" e   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2004 02:40:22 -0800. From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk (Martin Kirby)) Subject: Re: Customising Decwindows loginm< Message-ID: <224291b.0403150240.63cbfa4b@posting.google.com>   Phil,e  L Sorry, my information about setting the text was wrong. I took a closer lookL at the code and see it only allows setting the text through the UID file and, not via the resources so isn't customizable.  1 You will have to use the DECW$LOGINLOGO solution.    Martin Kirby   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:06:23 +0000 (UTC)e6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)) Subject: Re: Customising Decwindows loginl1 Message-ID: <newscache$d4tmuh$4071$1@news.sil.at>-  k In article <7Ml5c.861$lC.444@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes:K >Don't spaz out ;-)  > : >Try creating DISK:[SYSn.CDE$DEFAULTS.USER.APP-DEFAULTS.C]   I did.  J >and copying it there.  That is, look at SHO LOG CDE$* and notice that theJ >logicals allow for system-specific directories - although by default noneI >exist.  Just create the directories, and copy the file there.  Then it'sFB >just on your clustered WS.  I assumed that you weren't clustered.    My disk/system was/is clustered.  + >Not sure what an ambidexterous setting is.>  
 Now I have  & $ D SYS$SYSROOT:[CDE$DEFAULTS.USER...]  ) Directory SYS$SYSROOT:[CDE$DEFAULTS.USER]n   APP-DEFAULTS.DIR;1O                       1  15-MAR-2004 20:01:21.46  [SYSTEM]         (RWD,RWD,,R)    Total of 1 file, 1 block.s  6 Directory SYS$SYSROOT:[CDE$DEFAULTS.USER.APP-DEFAULTS]  O C.DIR;1               1  15-MAR-2004 20:01:21.52  [SYSTEM]         (RWD,RWD,,R)    Total of 1 file, 1 block.7  ( Directory SYS$COMMON:[CDE$DEFAULTS.USER]  O APPCONFIG.DIR;1       1  24-NOV-2002 18:15:21.56  [SYSTEM]         (RWD,RWD,,R)e   Total of 1 file, 1 block.n  2 Directory SYS$COMMON:[CDE$DEFAULTS.USER.APPCONFIG]  O APPMANAGER.DIR;1      1  24-NOV-2002 18:15:21.64  [SYSTEM]         (RWD,RWD,,R)    Total of 1 file, 1 block.   = Directory SYS$COMMON:[CDE$DEFAULTS.USER.APPCONFIG.APPMANAGER]r  O C.DIR;1               1  24-NOV-2002 18:15:21.73  [SYSTEM]         (RWD,RWD,,R)n   Total of 1 file, 1 block.d  0 Grand total of 5 directories, 5 files, 5 blocks.  $ Did you really mean "APP-DEFAULTS" ?   -- k Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERd% Network and OpenVMS system specialistr E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:12:22 GMT69 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> ) Subject: Re: Customising Decwindows loginA/ Message-ID: <G6o5c.889$zI.502@news.cpqcorp.net>a  C "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message4+ news:newscache$d4tmuh$4071$1@news.sil.at...sC > In article <7Ml5c.861$lC.444@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge".	 <my-last--  ; SYS$SYSROOT:[CDE$DEFAULTS.USER.APP-DEFAULTS.C]DTSESSION.DATc  G is where I'd expect this to go.  Make sure you remove the change to thea system area ;)  I If that doesn't work - try the same thing with .SYSTEM. instead of .USER.v   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:02:59 -0500,, From: "David Short" <David.Short@Wright.Edu> Subject: Decnet phase Vs9 Message-ID: <c2o3ai$1sefrp$1@ID-63350.news.uni-berlin.de>   4 I've several VMS 6.2 machines using Decnet phase IV.  K Within the last few years I received one VMS 7.2 workstation running Decnetn PhaseV.   K Via Set Host I can manage to connect to from the PhaseIV nodes to the phasem" V node. I cannot go the other way.  L Can anyone point me to the appropriate section of the HTML manual that might% tell me what I need? A usenet thread?   B I'm very much dreading spending two days learning to do this once.   Thanks dfs$   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:39:59 -0500a* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: Decnet phase V ) Message-ID: <404F9934.E2F7BF33@istop.com>c   David Short wrote:M > Via Set Host I can manage to connect to from the PhaseIV nodes to the phasea$ > V node. I cannot go the other way. > N > Can anyone point me to the appropriate section of the HTML manual that might' > tell me what I need? A usenet thread?    PRODUCT REMOVE DECNET5 PRODUCT INSTALL DECNET4e  * In the end, this will prove to be quicker.  M If the rest of your network has the real decnet and you don't need any of thetL functionality of 5, then it isn't worth the time to read through the manuals and learn this beast.'  N Yes, I know that 4 vs 5 is another religious battle, perhaps not as flaming as TPU vs EDT vs TECO, but ...n  ; Decnet 5 also takes up a lot more resources on your system.a  K And I am not sure that reading the html text would be a good way. You mightrL want to print the PDF stuff and really go through it. You need to understandF the new structures, which files you can and cannot edit, what order ofM execution they are (so that when you add customisation commands, they are not 5 overwritten by a file executed later on etc etc etc).1   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 08:42:38 +0100R* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> Subject: Re: Decnet phase V2: Message-ID: <c2p5ar$1vu0fq$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   David Short wrote:6 > I've several VMS 6.2 machines using Decnet phase IV. > M > Within the last few years I received one VMS 7.2 workstation running Decnety	 > PhaseV.e > M > Via Set Host I can manage to connect to from the PhaseIV nodes to the phasea$ > V node. I cannot go the other way. > N > Can anyone point me to the appropriate section of the HTML manual that might' > tell me what I need? A usenet thread?3 >i  F Search for decnet_register. From section 15.3.2 in the OpenVMS FAQ at 1 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html6   ----5 Use the DECNET_REGISTER mechanism (on the destinatione/ node) to register or modify the name(s) and theh3 address(es) of the source node. Check the namespacet on the source node, as well.  / Typically, the nodes involved are using a LOCALs5 namespace, and the node name and address settings aree6 not coherent across all nodes. Also check to make sure6 that the node is entered into its own LOCAL namespace.6 This can be a problem elsewhere, however. Very rarely,6 a cache corruption has been known to cause this error.$ To flush the cache, use the command:   $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:NCL, flush session control naming cache entry "*"   ----  J Don't forget the NCL flush command, as this brings your changes into play/  D > I'm very much dreading spending two days learning to do this once. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:46:22 -0500i, From: "David Short" <David.Short@Wright.Edu> Subject: Re: Decnet phase V 9 Message-ID: <c2q54u$1vm6ta$1@ID-63350.news.uni-berlin.de>   7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messagee > David Short wrote:I > > Via Set Host I can manage to connect to from the PhaseIV nodes to they phasec& > > V node. I cannot go the other way. > > J > > Can anyone point me to the appropriate section of the HTML manual that mighte) > > tell me what I need? A usenet thread?i >? > PRODUCT REMOVE DECNET5 > PRODUCT INSTALL DECNET4f >P, > In the end, this will prove to be quicker. >5K > If the rest of your network has the real decnet and you don't need any ofb theeF > functionality of 5, then it isn't worth the time to read through the manualss > and learn this beast.o     Thanks.C6 Fortunately it didn't come to the uninstall/reinstall.  A The mcr:decnet_register command did what I needed fairly cleanly,21 but I had your suggestion in the back of my mind.e  E > Yes, I know that 4 vs 5 is another religious battle, perhaps not asn
 flaming as > TPU vs EDT vs TECO, but ...c >d= > Decnet 5 also takes up a lot more resources on your system.r >lG > And I am not sure that reading the html text would be a good way. You0 might6C > want to print the PDF stuff and really go through it. You need to)
 understandH > the new structures, which files you can and cannot edit, what order ofK > execution they are (so that when you add customisation commands, they areg notm7 > overwritten by a file executed later on etc etc etc).e  I Actually I can confirm that reading the html documentation was not a gooda way to go for me.e   Again thanks for your reply.   dfsu   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:48:03 -0500e, From: "David Short" <David.Short@Wright.Edu> Subject: Re: Decnet phase VM9 Message-ID: <c2q583$205cuj$1@ID-63350.news.uni-berlin.de>t  / "Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote inF > David Short wrote:8 > > I've several VMS 6.2 machines using Decnet phase IV. > > H > > Within the last few years I received one VMS 7.2 workstation running Decnet > > PhaseV.7 > >1I > > Via Set Host I can manage to connect to from the PhaseIV nodes to the  phase & > > V node. I cannot go the other way. > >.J > > Can anyone point me to the appropriate section of the HTML manual that might ) > > tell me what I need? A usenet thread?- > >- > G > Search for decnet_register. From section 15.3.2 in the OpenVMS FAQ atn3 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/openvms_faq.htmlc   snip  8 Thanks Paul. That along with the net$mgmt utility got me exactly what I needed.   dfsi   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:17:14 -0500T* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>0 Subject: Re: DECTERM crashes on missing font :-)) Message-ID: <40562B61.8CB0917B@istop.com>u   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:M > I'm guessing that DECterm isn't being defensive about incomplete font sets,tJ > which is leading to something bad.  It was designed to require font setsK > with specific characteristics and that they be complete.  I'm also pretty.N > sure that it hasn't been tested remote on a Mac.  Can't you pull the correct
 > fonts over?   N Now from VAX since the TERMINAL* fonts are only available in the "Proprietary" DECW$FONT format.s  N The offending fonts were the narrow fonts. And SMG program I tried goes to 132C column mode. And I hadn't coded a font alias on my mac for those. IiP temporarily mapped them to the same font as the normal width ones and it worked.  M There is on .pcf font on the X terminal font directory. Perhaps it is able to L process those, and if so, I may try to pull the terminal fonts from an alpha% machine and see if it works that way.   N Is there a reason the TERMINAL* fonts were not made available in BDF format soF that they could be portable and DECTERM could operate easily on many X terminals ?   N I realise that in the good old days of DEC-proprietary products, this may haveJ been unthinkable, but in today's environment, would HP be more amenable to? making the source fils for those fonts available for download ?9   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 03:34:42 -0500i* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>, Subject: DECTERM crashes on missing font :-)) Message-ID: <40556A72.DE776B96@istop.com>e  , I have a nice DECTERM window opend on a MAC.  I I run a program that uses SMG. It displays a warning about a certain font * missing. Then the whole DECTERM goes away.  K So, I open a fileview DCL window. Start the program. Then the whole sessione% goes away and I need to login again !n  K Shouldn't a missing font simply generate a warning with some automated fonte substitution happening ?   (This is on VAX VMS 7.2)   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2004 06:22:13 -0800. From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk (Martin Kirby)0 Subject: Re: DECTERM crashes on missing font :-)< Message-ID: <224291b.0403150622.18b69ea1@posting.google.com>   Which version of DECwindows ?o  F If you spawn and run the SMG program does that take out the DECterm or just the spawned sub-process?1   What font is a problem?l  @ There were some problems in DECterm when there was an incompleteE family of fonts [e.g., missing a double-width font] and the fall-back F code was wrong. I know we went through two fixes to get it right but IC suspect the final fix was in V1.3 and therefore is not available ond VAX.  D I'm not sure why that would cause problems for a DCL command window.   Martin Kirby   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:38:14 GMTA9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>t0 Subject: Re: DECTERM crashes on missing font :-)/ Message-ID: <aSl5c.862$cy.601@news.cpqcorp.net>n  K I'm guessing that DECterm isn't being defensive about incomplete font sets, H which is leading to something bad.  It was designed to require font setsI with specific characteristics and that they be complete.  I'm also prettyZL sure that it hasn't been tested remote on a Mac.  Can't you pull the correct fonts over?\      7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messages# news:40556A72.DE776B96@istop.com...o. > I have a nice DECTERM window opend on a MAC. >lK > I run a program that uses SMG. It displays a warning about a certain fontf, > missing. Then the whole DECTERM goes away. >wE > So, I open a fileview DCL window. Start the program. Then the whole. sessionm' > goes away and I need to login again !c >vH > Shouldn't a missing font simply generate a warning with some automated font > substitution happening ? >v > (This is on VAX VMS 7.2)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:32:44 +0000p; From: Gerald Marsh <gerald-@-cyfer-remove_this.demon.co.uk>v7 Subject: DEVICEFULL with 25 million free blocks! (Long)y8 Message-ID: <hmh150pfkt3hhpjg47n5btf6drkdtfegv4@4ax.com>  ? I hope someone can help with a pain of a problem which has been'' happening occasionally for a few years.a  @ We are running FaxSR from Omtool on an Alpha cluster. One of its: processes (the composer) dies with a "Disk space too low -F terminating" message in its logfile. The accounting entry confirms the space problem:   DETACHED Process Termination ----------------------------@ Username:          SYSTEM            UIC:               [SYSTEM]    C Account:                             Finish time:       10-MAR-2004- 22:01:19.92-C Process ID:        20E0196D          Start time:         7-MAR-2004. 06:43:43.16.C Owner ID:                            Elapsed time:                3g 15:17:36.76MC Terminal name:                       Processor time:              07 00:11:12.29g; Remote node addr:                    Priority:          8   @ Remote node name:                    Privilege <31-00>: FFFFFFFF@ Remote ID:                           Privilege <63-32>: FFFFFFCF Remote full name:a    @ Queue entry:                         Final status code: 000008502 Queue name:                                       : Job name:                                                 @ Final status text: %SYSTEM-W-DEVICEFULL, device full; allocation failure     B Page faults:              355        Direct IO:             766258B Page fault reads:          83        Buffered IO:           152017B Peak working set:        9296        Volumes mounted:            0B Peak page file:        179664        Images executed:            1  - (Apologies if the above is a strange format!)r  C We usually shutdown FaxSR and restart and off to go but the problem1C becomes more and more frequent until we recreate a history file andi$ then we have a ferw months' respite!  B In an attempt to alleviate the hassle, we upgraded from a 9Gb to aD much bigger disk and there were over 25 million free blocks when theC error occurred. Perfectdisk display showed that there were over 2.59 million free contiguous blocks.e  D The situation occurred today when the composer was dying immediately& so I had to recreate the history file.  E We've always suspected a particular file which had CBT attribute so ItD tried to overcome this by editing an FDL created by ANALYSE/FDL. The@ file still gets CBT though - I suspect its due to the CBT on the AREA's:   % PLE803-LIVE> type history_geralds.fdlpA IDENT   " 6-JAN-2004 09:02:24   OpenVMS ANALYZE/RMS_FILE Utility"k     SYSTEM'         SOURCE                  OpenVMSi     FILE%         ALLOCATION              80000o"         BEST_TRY_CONTIGUOUS     no"         BUCKET_SIZE             18"         CLUSTER_SIZE            18"         CONTIGUOUS              no$         EXTENSION               2502"         FILE_MONITORING         no!         GLOBAL_BUFFER_COUNT     0cF         NAME                    "DSA7:[FAXSR.COMMON]FAX_HISTORY.DAT;1"'         ORGANIZATION            indexedy(         OWNER                   [SYSTEM]E         PROTECTION              (system:RWED, owner:RWED, group:RWED,e	 world:RE)      RECORD#         BLOCK_SPAN              yess/         CARRIAGE_CONTROL        carriage_returnp%         FORMAT                  fixede$         SIZE                    3500     AREA 0%         ALLOCATION              23886)#         BEST_TRY_CONTIGUOUS     yesd"         BUCKET_SIZE             18$         EXTENSION               4000     AREA 1$         ALLOCATION              1134#         BEST_TRY_CONTIGUOUS     yest"         BUCKET_SIZE             18"         EXTENSION               18  D The original file was about 40k blocks and the above FDL created one: of about 24k, again overiding my modified allocation size.  F The newly created file did allow FaxSR to start and the composer seems ok for now.   E The supplier support is on a "best endeavours" basis and has not beeno able to help with this at all.  F The disk has a max files of about 400k and there are about 65k present) so I don't think that's a problem either.   F The original file was only in a few fragments - nowhere near enough to require an extension header.  D Any help would be gratefully received as ever. If anyone can suggest@ further diagnostics I could try, that too could help us nail it.D (ANALYSE/SYSTEM SHO PROC/CHAN only shows a few files, all the others are small.)o  ' Best regards and keep up the good work,t       Gerald.i Gerald Marsh  4 gerald -at_Sign- cyfer -dot- demon -dot- co -dot- uk   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 23:51:10 GMTg/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) ; Subject: Re: DEVICEFULL with 25 million free blocks! (Long) - Message-ID: <UsFnHScaFs3w@cuebid.zko.dec.com>   = Gerald Marsh <gerald-@-cyfer-remove_this.demon.co.uk> writes:-A > I hope someone can help with a pain of a problem which has beeny) > happening occasionally for a few years.t  J > Final status text: %SYSTEM-W-DEVICEFULL, device full; allocation failure > G > We've always suspected a particular file which had CBT attribute so IaF > tried to overcome this by editing an FDL created by ANALYSE/FDL. TheB > file still gets CBT though - I suspect its due to the CBT on the	 > AREA's:c   A couple quick thoughts:A 	1) While that is the final status, the software may be returning.: that status for an error other than the device being full.  A 	2) Yes, CBT on the area is why the file is created with CBT, butXJ CBT is just that -- Best Try; if the XQP can't create (or extend) the fileL in 3 or fewer extents, it punts on contiguity, and just creates (or extends)K the file with whatever is in the extent cache.  In other words, the settingi; of CBT on a file or files is not the cause of your problem.l     -- e  M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.comt   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 01:28:18 GMTg# From: Jonas Lindholm <jlhm@usa.net> ; Subject: Re: DEVICEFULL with 25 million free blocks! (Long)i7 Message-ID: <Sm84c.9242$tP6.4665871@twister.nyc.rr.com>   I Could the INDEXF.SYS be fragmented and the file header for INDEXF.SYS is  - full so no new extensions can be made to it ?r  E Do a DUMP/HEADER on the index file to see how many extensions it has.    /Jonas     Gerald Marsh wrote:.A > I hope someone can help with a pain of a problem which has been-) > happening occasionally for a few years.  > B > We are running FaxSR from Omtool on an Alpha cluster. One of its< > processes (the composer) dies with a "Disk space too low -H > terminating" message in its logfile. The accounting entry confirms the > space problem: >  > DETACHED Process Termination > ----------------------------B > Username:          SYSTEM            UIC:               [SYSTEM] >  > E > Account:                             Finish time:       10-MAR-2004l
 > 22:01:19.92nE > Process ID:        20E0196D          Start time:         7-MAR-2004f
 > 06:43:43.16tE > Owner ID:                            Elapsed time:                3E
 > 15:17:36.76OE > Terminal name:                       Processor time:              0M
 > 00:11:12.29 = > Remote node addr:                    Priority:          8   B > Remote node name:                    Privilege <31-00>: FFFFFFFFB > Remote ID:                           Privilege <63-32>: FFFFFFCF > Remote full name:o >  > B > Queue entry:                         Final status code: 000008504 > Queue name:                                       < > Job name:                                                 B > Final status text: %SYSTEM-W-DEVICEFULL, device full; allocation	 > failureg >  > D > Page faults:              355        Direct IO:             766258D > Page fault reads:          83        Buffered IO:           152017D > Peak working set:        9296        Volumes mounted:            0D > Peak page file:        179664        Images executed:            1 > / > (Apologies if the above is a strange format!)t > E > We usually shutdown FaxSR and restart and off to go but the problemtE > becomes more and more frequent until we recreate a history file and & > then we have a ferw months' respite! > D > In an attempt to alleviate the hassle, we upgraded from a 9Gb to aF > much bigger disk and there were over 25 million free blocks when theE > error occurred. Perfectdisk display showed that there were over 2.5c! > million free contiguous blocks.b > F > The situation occurred today when the composer was dying immediately( > so I had to recreate the history file. > G > We've always suspected a particular file which had CBT attribute so ISF > tried to overcome this by editing an FDL created by ANALYSE/FDL. TheB > file still gets CBT though - I suspect its due to the CBT on the	 > AREA's:u > ' > PLE803-LIVE> type history_geralds.fdlrC > IDENT   " 6-JAN-2004 09:02:24   OpenVMS ANALYZE/RMS_FILE Utility"n >  >  > SYSTEM) >         SOURCE                  OpenVMS. >  >  > FILE' >         ALLOCATION              80000e$ >         BEST_TRY_CONTIGUOUS     no$ >         BUCKET_SIZE             18$ >         CLUSTER_SIZE            18$ >         CONTIGUOUS              no& >         EXTENSION               2502$ >         FILE_MONITORING         no# >         GLOBAL_BUFFER_COUNT     0nH >         NAME                    "DSA7:[FAXSR.COMMON]FAX_HISTORY.DAT;1") >         ORGANIZATION            indexed>* >         OWNER                   [SYSTEM]G >         PROTECTION              (system:RWED, owner:RWED, group:RWED,e > world:RE)  >  >  > RECORD% >         BLOCK_SPAN              yesi1 >         CARRIAGE_CONTROL        carriage_returno' >         FORMAT                  fixed=& >         SIZE                    3500 >  >  > AREA 0' >         ALLOCATION              23886 % >         BEST_TRY_CONTIGUOUS     yesd$ >         BUCKET_SIZE             18& >         EXTENSION               4000 >  >  > AREA 1& >         ALLOCATION              1134% >         BEST_TRY_CONTIGUOUS     yes9$ >         BUCKET_SIZE             18$ >         EXTENSION               18 > F > The original file was about 40k blocks and the above FDL created one< > of about 24k, again overiding my modified allocation size. > H > The newly created file did allow FaxSR to start and the composer seems
 > ok for now.O > G > The supplier support is on a "best endeavours" basis and has not beent  > able to help with this at all. > H > The disk has a max files of about 400k and there are about 65k present+ > so I don't think that's a problem either.  > H > The original file was only in a few fragments - nowhere near enough to > require an extension header. > F > Any help would be gratefully received as ever. If anyone can suggestB > further diagnostics I could try, that too could help us nail it.F > (ANALYSE/SYSTEM SHO PROC/CHAN only shows a few files, all the others
 > are small.)j > ) > Best regards and keep up the good work,- >  >  > 	 > Gerald.. > Gerald Marsh > 6 > gerald -at_Sign- cyfer -dot- demon -dot- co -dot- uk >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:02:04 -0500e7 From: "Hein van den Heuvel" <hein_news@eps.zko.dec.com>e; Subject: Re: DEVICEFULL with 25 million free blocks! (Long) , Message-ID: <40511a4e$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  H "Gerald Marsh" <gerald-@-cyfer-remove_this.demon.co.uk> wrote in message2 news:hmh150pfkt3hhpjg47n5btf6drkdtfegv4@4ax.com...A > I hope someone can help with a pain of a problem which has been ) > happening occasionally for a few years.u >lB > We are running FaxSR from Omtool on an Alpha cluster. One of its< > processes (the composer) dies with a "Disk space too low -H > terminating" message in its logfile. The accounting entry confirms the > space problem:B > Queue entry:                         Final status code: 00000850B > Final status text: %SYSTEM-W-DEVICEFULL, device full; allocation  D > In an attempt to alleviate the hassle, we upgraded from a 9Gb to aF > much bigger disk and there were over 25 million free blocks when theE > error occurred. Perfectdisk display showed that there were over 2.5a! > million free contiguous blocks.E  5 How did you know which disk it was complaining about?CG Is there only one disk? Could the batch job log file disk have been toob full?r A sort disk? A scratch disk?  J "Disk space too low - terminating" This is NOT a VMS message but a derived message.J Surely the application surrounded it with details on what it was trying to= do, which fill it was manipulating while the error occuurred?$  E Can you reasonably run the application with SET WATCH FILE/CLA=MAJOR?TL Allocation problems happen on file level and would be visible in the the set
 watch output.n  I Can you run a script to watch free space on all disks every minute duringd8 the production and create suitable alarms/error reports?  K Is the application doing something 'clever', multiplying numbers of recordsa- with sizes and comparing against getdvi data?n  F > The situation occurred today when the composer was dying immediately( > so I had to recreate the history file. >oG > We've always suspected a particular file which had CBT attribute so IgF > tried to overcome this by editing an FDL created by ANALYSE/FDL. TheB > file still gets CBT though - I suspect its due to the CBT on the	 > AREA's:i  J Yes, the CBT attributes (and ALLOCATIONS) are taken from the AREA secions, not the file section.     FILEp' >         ALLOCATION              80000-   hah... puny!   > RECORD& >         SIZE                    3500  . Relatively large. Maybe there is a SORT phase?G SORT uses LRL times record count to allocate work space and is known topG mis-calculate at times based on inaccurate input (like and LRL of 65K).t   >   F > The original file was about 40k blocks and the above FDL created one< > of about 24k, again overiding my modified allocation size.  6 FDL does what it is told. Period. It does not overide.G It may want to be told in a place different from where you expected :-)F# Use the Area, not the file section!   H > The newly created file did allow FaxSR to start and the composer seems
 > ok for now.   7 Did they clean out any records? (thinkng sorting again)    >lG > The supplier support is on a "best endeavours" basis and has not been6  > able to help with this at all. >lH > The disk has a max files of about 400k and there are about 65k present+ > so I don't think that's a problem either.i >bH > The original file was only in a few fragments - nowhere near enough to > require an extension header.  @ It all sounds like it has nothign to do with the file described.  F > (ANALYSE/SYSTEM SHO PROC/CHAN only shows a few files, all the others
 > are small.)g  # Work files? Sort files? temp files?    hope this helps some,    Hein.d   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2004 20:18:52 -0800- From: phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer)a; Subject: Re: DEVICEFULL with 25 million free blocks! (Long)i< Message-ID: <5ee1d1b7.0403112018.ff9651d@posting.google.com>  d brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) wrote in message news:<UsFnHScaFs3w@cuebid.zko.dec.com>...? > Gerald Marsh <gerald-@-cyfer-remove_this.demon.co.uk> writes:3C > > I hope someone can help with a pain of a problem which has been.+ > > happening occasionally for a few years.1 >  .L > > Final status text: %SYSTEM-W-DEVICEFULL, device full; allocation failure > > I > > We've always suspected a particular file which had CBT attribute so IpH > > tried to overcome this by editing an FDL created by ANALYSE/FDL. TheD > > file still gets CBT though - I suspect its due to the CBT on the > > AREA's:W >  > A couple quick thoughts:C > 	1) While that is the final status, the software may be returningn< > that status for an error other than the device being full. > C > 	2) Yes, CBT on the area is why the file is created with CBT, but L > CBT is just that -- Best Try; if the XQP can't create (or extend) the fileN > in 3 or fewer extents, it punts on contiguity, and just creates (or extends)M > the file with whatever is in the extent cache.  In other words, the settings= > of CBT on a file or files is not the cause of your problem.n    F Also, remember that if your program that is giving the final status is> creating the file is it possible to request an allocation of aD specified amount, the program tries to allocate the amount requestedE which is more than is available on the disk, the allocation fails and > returns the status DEVICEFULL but deallocates the space it had" allocated.  Do a couple of things:  E 1. DIR/SIZE=ALL filename.typ  (Where filename.typ is the file that isE being used for the ANALYZE/FDL)   F 2. Check the allocated file size on the FDL generated and reduce it byC taking the last digit away.  i.e., 1000000 blocks originally shouldeB change to 100000.  then run the program again and see if it works.  B Our site compresses our indesed files nightly and they used to getE this message.  I reviewed the process, changed the FDL's to allocatge F less space and recovered about 800,000 blocks on a 4.3 GB drive.  They were very happy.   PT   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:05:27 +00000; From: Gerald Marsh <gerald-@-cyfer-remove_this.demon.co.uk>-; Subject: Re: DEVICEFULL with 25 million free blocks! (Long) 8 Message-ID: <vak9501v8qt5a0bfupsj4snp8enu6012vi@4ax.com>  4 Thank you to all who have tried to help on this one.   Here's some more information:s  E Switching off the CBT from the AREA's have resulted in a non CBT file D and the software still runs so I assume it's not neurotic about that characteristic.g  E Checking the channels show no sort or temporary files but perhaps thep, process is performing a sort intermittently.  F I thought that the contiguous space was a problem as that was tight onC the old drive but 2.5 million blocks of contiguous space suggests I> was chasing red herrings!t  = The software only uses a particular drive and, due to lots ofoC monitoring, I'm convinced that the space is not actually a problem;aF Lots of other third-party software is installed on that drive but it's@ only FaxSR which gives us a problem. No other disks have a space problem either.   D As the process is a composer I suspect that some sort of rasterisingA is occurring but I don't think there's much data involved at all.l  B The file is the prime suspect as the problem goes away for a whileD when the file is created from scratch using the FDL. Before creating: the new file the process was failing within a few seconds.  C The application message of "Disk space too low..." does reflect the.  status in the Accounting record.  ' Doing a SET WATCH would be very tricky.t  ) The problem file is only 25 k blocks big.s  $ The index file has only 4 fragments.  B I shall attempt to report this through formal channels but I don't hold out much hope.t    Thanks again to all who replied.   Gerald.S   Gerald Marsh  4 gerald -at_Sign- cyfer -dot- demon -dot- co -dot- uk- (And I really get miffed having to do that!)     ------------------------------    Date: 14 Mar 2004 22:31:48 -0800# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley) ; Subject: Re: DEVICEFULL with 25 million free blocks! (Long)r= Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0403142231.43b4e53d@posting.google.com>i  { Gerald Marsh <gerald-@-cyfer-remove_this.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:<vak9501v8qt5a0bfupsj4snp8enu6012vi@4ax.com>...r6 > Thank you to all who have tried to help on this one. >  > Here's some more information:  > G > Switching off the CBT from the AREA's have resulted in a non CBT fileeF > and the software still runs so I assume it's not neurotic about that > characteristic.r > G > Checking the channels show no sort or temporary files but perhaps the . > process is performing a sort intermittently. > H > I thought that the contiguous space was a problem as that was tight onE > the old drive but 2.5 million blocks of contiguous space suggests Ip > was chasing red herrings!  > ? > The software only uses a particular drive and, due to lots of E > monitoring, I'm convinced that the space is not actually a problem; H > Lots of other third-party software is installed on that drive but it'sB > only FaxSR which gives us a problem. No other disks have a space > problem either.J > F > As the process is a composer I suspect that some sort of rasterisingC > is occurring but I don't think there's much data involved at all.y > D > The file is the prime suspect as the problem goes away for a whileF > when the file is created from scratch using the FDL. Before creating< > the new file the process was failing within a few seconds. > E > The application message of "Disk space too low..." does reflect thea" > status in the Accounting record. > ) > Doing a SET WATCH would be very tricky.  > + > The problem file is only 25 k blocks big.  > & > The index file has only 4 fragments. > D > I shall attempt to report this through formal channels but I don't > hold out much hope.0 > " > Thanks again to all who replied. > 	 > Gerald.  >  > Gerald Marsh > 6 > gerald -at_Sign- cyfer -dot- demon -dot- co -dot- uk. > (And I really get miffed having to do that!)# A couple of things you could try...a  8 $set file statistics <filename> when the file is created; and before the detached process starts, this enables you toO! $monitor rms /filename=<filename>   7 If you have control over the detached process creation  / (ie. you have some dcl with run/detached in it)e then include a /dump parameter k+ then you can analyze the dump when it failsn   Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:26:23 +0000 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk>-; Subject: Re: DEVICEFULL with 25 million free blocks! (Long) 8 Message-ID: <67bb50lh5nvj9cdf2p9b8j030rnd5q2udv@4ax.com>  0 On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:05:27 +0000, Gerald Marsh/ <gerald-@-cyfer-remove_this.demon.co.uk> wrote:   G >I thought that the contiguous space was a problem as that was tight onsD >the old drive but 2.5 million blocks of contiguous space suggests I >was chasing red herrings!  H I wouldn't be surprised if the software isn't confusing itself.  PerhapsH your disk is too big and has too many free blocks for some dumb internalI calculation to work without overflowing ?  It might be trying to extend a D file, looking at existing size, working out some percentage and then< incorrectly judging whether the disk has the required space.  I I looked after a system using FaxSr for many years and never saw anything1G like this, and we managed to just about fill the system disk on many annI occasion...  I do recall the history purge function was completely brokennD and it was necessary to manually create new files from time to time.J Furthermore, the supplied .FDLs are confusingly named, somtimes internallyG refer to files of different names, and there is, if I am not wrong, onegL missing.  The whole package was never Y2K-qualified but did continue to workC - one set of output files did contain dates like 1-Jan-100, though.-  E Although it worked reasonably well, I thought the whole compose-modem<G server sequence took far too long unless wakeup intervals were set very4I short, quality was terrible in standard resolution (and fine costs nearlygC twice as much per call), and the licensing system was just short ofnI criminal.  (Rename your node - certainly sir, please send relicensing feeoH to...)  Plus I did come across an inbuilt expiry date once.  To be fair, that was fixed pdq.5   -- C3 The mailman bringeth...  The trashman taketh away! b   Mail john rather than nospam...e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 20:56:41 -08005& From: Tom Crabtree <tccrab@sunset.net>/ Subject: Re: Digital Personal workstation 600au,+ Message-ID: <c2m6td0m2m@enews3.newsguy.com>l  / > OK  well I found a generic SCSI CD at work...u >  > 2 >   OpenVMS Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3-2B >   c Copywrite 1976-2003 Hewlett-Packard Development Company L.P. > D >   %EXECINIT-F-LOADERR, Error loading EXCEPTION, status = 0001380F4 > F Guessing SCSI related.  Maybe termination.  Maybe generic SCSI CD not & VMS compatible.  What kind of SCSI CD?   To   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:59:15 +0000f- From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk>-/ Subject: Re: Digital Personal workstation 600au08 Message-ID: <vp3u40lvdon1rd3hv3nfc7b4psmqjq246n@4ax.com>  I On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 01:07:11 GMT, G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com> wrote:n  C >On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 06:37:53 GMT, G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com>n >wrote:p >e. >OK  well I found a generic SCSI CD at work... >e. >Does anyone have an idea what is wrong now??? > 1 >  OpenVMS Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3-2eA >  c Copywrite 1976-2003 Hewlett-Packard Development Company L.P.  > C >  %EXECINIT-F-LOADERR, Error loading EXCEPTION, status = 0001380F4h  ? Your machine may require a firmware update to load 7.3-2.  See:rD http://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/archive/digitalpw.htmlI for information on the last release for the pw machines. VMS is tested on K the latest firmware at the time of o/s release.  It's usually good practiceh- to update one before the other, just in case.a   -- t% When Mozart was my age, he was dead. a   Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------   Date: 10 Mar 2004 23:49:59 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.comA/ Subject: Re: Digital Personal workstation 600aui, Message-ID: <c2o9j701h88@enews1.newsguy.com>  ' G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com> wrote:a/ > OK  well I found a generic SCSI CD at work....  / > Does anyone have an idea what is wrong now???$  I Does your generic SCSI CD-ROM support 512-byte blocks, and do you have itg= set to use them rather than the more common 2048-byte blocks?/  I I'm using an ancient 4x SCSI CD-ROM in my system to get one with 512-byte : blocks (the sad thing is my PDP-11/73 has an 8x CD-ROM :^)   		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 02:05:29 +0000s7 From: David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>i/ Subject: Re: Digital Personal workstation 600auw* Message-ID: <404FC969.6070205@bigpond.com>   news group. espoused:  > David: > H > thanks for your help... I actually went out and purchased an RRD driveJ > thinking that my problem was a drive incompatibility with the SCSI drive > I had... i >  > Now when I try to boot A >  > boot dka600 -flags 0,0 > 
 > I get... > F > DKA600.6.0.11.0 has no media present or is disabled via the run/stop > switch  C The only time I've seen this is when there is no media in the driveo5 (which is not the case) or the drive has a problem...  > ' > I have 7.3-2 media is in the drive???r >  > Any clue??  B Not really.  I recently got one of these systems and my IDE CD-ROM7 works fine (although my machine has only ever run VMS).c' Have you tried booting the firmware CD?e7 The IDE CD-ROM on yours is the same as the one on mine.rG Is it possible there is some other environment variable that is causing H the problem?  Could you post the results of a "show *" from the console?   >  > Thanks in advance! >  > Gary > Gary Henry > henryga@mindspring.com   Regards, Dave.n --  I David B Sneddon (dbs)    VMS Systems Programmer     dbsneddon@bigpond.comuI Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/yI DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htmrI "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennont   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:40:14 GMT & From: G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com>/ Subject: Re: Digital Personal workstation 600aua8 Message-ID: <8m1250h1e9omkhg27m4pdsqdun2am14kml@4ax.com>  = On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 02:05:29 +0000, David B Sneddon - bigpondc <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> wrote:   here is my show*P >>>sh                                                                            adv_diag                offI auto_action             HALT' boot_dev                dka0.0.0.1010.0i	 boot_file  boot_osflags boot_reset              OFFt' bootdef_dev             dka0.0.0.1010.0e
 booted_dev booted_file  booted_osflags char_set                0.  console                 graphics controlp                on d_bell                  offe d_cleanup               on d_complete              offf d_eop                   offi d_group                 fieldn d_harderr               halt d_loghard               on d_logsoft               offn d_oper                  offo d_passes                1. d_quick                 off- d_report                full d_runtime               0r  d_softerr               continue d_startup               offc d_status                offe d_trace                 offi dma_prefetch            ON dump_dev enable_audit            ON ewa0_arp_tries          3  ewa0_bootp_filee ewa0_bootp_servera ewa0_bootp_tries        3w ewa0_def_ginetaddr      0.0.0.0  ewa0_def_inetaddr       0.0.0.0n ewa0_def_inetfilel ewa0_def_sinetaddr      0.0.0.0a ewa0_def_subnetmask     0.0.0.0  ewa0_ginetaddr          0.0.0.0t ewa0_inet_init          bootpX ewa0_inetaddr           0.0.0.0l
 ewa0_inetfilet ewa0_loop_count         3e8o ewa0_loop_inc           at  ewa0_loop_patt          ffffffff ewa0_loop_size          2e ewa0_lp_msg_node        1o$ ewa0_mode               Twisted-Pair ewa0_protocols          BOOTPt ewa0_sinetaddr          0.0.0.0o ewa0_tftp_tries         3  ffauto                  OFFi ffnext                  OFFt graphics_page           0, graphics_type           VIDEOh kbd_hardware_type       PCXAL  language                36) language_name           English(American)L license                 MU mop_debug               OFFe, mop_password            00-00000000-00000000 mop_version             1  mopv3_boot              OFFo os_type                 OpenVMSoD pal                     OpenVMS PALcode V1.20-16, Tru64 UNIX PALcode V1.22-18   e pci_device_override     0u pci_parity              offl pka0_host_id            7- pka0_mode               ultraa pka0_soft_term          diff quick_start             OFFe scsi_poll               ON srm2ctrl srm2devo sys_serial_num tt_allow_login          1E tta0_page               0e tta0_type               VIDEO  tty_dev                 0h3 version                 V7.2-1 Mar  6 2000 14:47:02n         >news group. espoused:	 >> David:a >>  I >> thanks for your help... I actually went out and purchased an RRD driveeK >> thinking that my problem was a drive incompatibility with the SCSI drivee >> I had...  >> t >> Now when I try to boot  >> i >> boot dka600 -flags 0,0o >>   >> I get...- >> -G >> DKA600.6.0.11.0 has no media present or is disabled via the run/stopi	 >> switch. >uD >The only time I've seen this is when there is no media in the drive6 >(which is not the case) or the drive has a problem... >>  ( >> I have 7.3-2 media is in the drive??? >> a
 >> Any clue??p >rC >Not really.  I recently got one of these systems and my IDE CD-ROM 8 >works fine (although my machine has only ever run VMS).( >Have you tried booting the firmware CD?8 >The IDE CD-ROM on yours is the same as the one on mine.H >Is it possible there is some other environment variable that is causingI >the problem?  Could you post the results of a "show *" from the console?d >A >>   >> Thanks in advance!o >> a >> Garye
 >> Gary Henrym >> henryga@mindspring.comy > 	 >Regards,- >Dave.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 04:09:16 GMTe& From: G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com>/ Subject: Re: Digital Personal workstation 600aue8 Message-ID: <4cd250psjshto8f9pcg2ugks707j3kqhih@4ax.com>  B On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 06:37:53 GMT, G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com> wrote:  ) I want to THANK ALL of you for your help!o  2 Iam in the process of insalling VMS as we speak...  1 You might ask what I did... I HAVE NO CLUE... :-)t  F I starting to put things away and I put the case together screwing theF disks and new SCSI CD into the case.  On and on a whim I tried to boot- to the VMS CD and it just started to work... n   I really have no CLUE!!   
 Thanks again!u   Gary   >I hope someone can help me....r >g >I have two questions....i >nG >I  have a Digital Personal Workstation 600au that I would like to likedD >to put VMS on.  I had NT on it and I changed it over to SRM and set >the following Parameters  >u >boot_osflags "" >auto_action halta >OS_type OpenVMS >Bootdef_dev dka0  >s@ >I have the following devices on the machine after a show device >- >DKA0		RZ1CB-BS			0818 >DKA300	COMPAQ BD018635C4		B017p# >DQA0		TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-6202B	1110r >DVA0h >EWA0n >PKA0		mac address >PQA0		SCSI Bus IS 7 >PQA0		PCI EIDE( >PQB0		PCI EIDED >h >5C >WHen put the 7.3.-2 CD into the machine and boot with the command h >p >boot -flags 0,0 dka0h >b# >I get the following on the screen:w >a >     boot dqa0.0.0.4.0 2 >     block 0 of dqa0.0.04.0 is a valid boot block* >     reading 1134 blocks from dqa0.0.04.0 >     bootstrap code read in e1 >     base=1d800 image_start=-, Image_bytes=8dc00  >     Initializing HWRPBat 2000s' >     Initializing page table at 1CA000-  >     Initializing machine state% >     Setting affinity to primary CPUc >     Jumping to bootstrap code  >n4 >     OpenVMS Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3-2D >     c Copywrite 1976-2003 Hewlett-Packard Development Company L.P. > F >     INIT_IO_DB-F-CFG_DEV_NOT_FOUND, a device onthe boot line, or in 3 >     Boot_Dev cannot be found in the config tablese >r> >    -console pathname IDE 0 4 0 0 0 0 0, ID=00000000.06461095 > 9 >    Ignoring the device, and not loading the boot driver  > > >    OpenVMS Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3-2 - BUGCHECK > F >and thent he system trys to write a Dump to the disk and of course itD >cannot.  It looks like it is in an infinet loop since it just keeps! >tring to boot until I power down  >eF >Is my problem, that 7.3-1 does not support this machine??????  If not >what am I doing wrong?? >u > E >THe version of VMS that I really want on this machine is 7.2-1 sinceOC >our 3 alphas are running 7.2.-1 but we cannot find the CD's in theOD >office.  Does anyone have an ISO image they can send me or point me >to? >  >Thanks in advance >  >Gary Henry    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:34:41 GMTn# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>a( Subject: Document warehouse for/on VMS??E Message-ID: <ROl5c.1303$TxJ.265@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>n  - Thinking about a possible upcoming project...   K -approximately 100 million documents (.pdf  / .pps / .doc / .tif / xml /andaI some other formats) need to be stored, indexed, and available for displayd via a web browser/plug-inr  H - each document is variable size, anywhere from 1 to 100's of pages long  I - users have to be able to access specific pages of the documents if theyo are multi-page onesa    1 Two basic approaches in a roll-your-own solution:s  H a) Store the file name, location, description in a rdbms or OR store andI have the ability in a program to go to the required location and open the J file.  The challenge here is that if the file moves or is deleted/renamed, my DB is out of whack.    C b) Store the 'objects' as blobs in a rdbms along with various other K attributes and indicies to specific sections of interest. The the app would G have to copy the doc to the file system when the user wanted to access. L Maybe a little harder to implement, but better for maintaining db integrity.  K In a file system approach under VMS, my memory tells me that there are/were I a couple of limitations on the number of nested directory levels possibleNE and/or number of files. Since my current apps only deal with a rather F limited number of files outside the db I can't be sure if this vaguely' recollected 'issue' is still a problem.     C Other solutions would include 3rd party apps, if available on VMS -MG Documentum springs to mind as an application of this type, but it isn'tA available on VMS.I    B Any thoughts on how to handle an app/requirement like this on VMS?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:37:52 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>, Subject: Re: Document warehouse for/on VMS??) Message-ID: <4056141D.1653F841@istop.com>    John Smith wrote:r > / > Thinking about a possible upcoming project...e > M > -approximately 100 million documents (.pdf  / .pps / .doc / .tif / xml /andrK > some other formats) need to be stored, indexed, and available for displayh > via a web browser/plug-ine  N If you are not concerned about moving to IA64, you might consider ALL-IN-1. ItN is highly scalable for such applications.  More recent versions (Called Office( Server) include WEB access to documents.  M A1 uses RMS files as index, but you can distribute the load amongst many suchhL file cabinets. Allin1 stores file format, handing, long title, author etc inL the file cabinet database. It is scriptable, and you can write code that canJ either be linked with the main image, or is dynamically linked against it.  J However, for such a large project, you might consider buying software from# NortherLights, AltaVista or Google.c  L Google even has software that will convert PDF documenst to html on the fly.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:53:24 -0500F* From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>% Subject: encompass membership sign-upc8 Message-ID: <bH84c.16356$p77.540@bignews3.bellsouth.net>  L How long does it usually take for encompass to process an online membership  request?  L I was going to sign up for the hobbyist OpenVMS licensing program and found = out that my DECUS membership # from the early 1990's was not a accepted/recognized.  H I went through the online sign-up process at encompass but have not yet M heard anything back about my member #.  Are they usually pretty speedy about BC that, or does the process drag on and require periodic rattling of h- somebody's cage to get the process completed?      -- u Chuck Choppr  8 ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com1                                    ICQ # 22321532s@ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax4 Greer, SC  29651                  800 774 0718 pagerC                                    8007740718 (at) skytel (dot) come  , Do not send me unsolicited commercial email.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:03:18 -0600.( From: Michael Rice <marice@whiteice.com>) Subject: Re: encompass membership sign-upg0 Message-ID: <10526jb7i4k3idb@corp.supernews.com>  ( On 3/11/2004 7:53 PM, Chuck Chopp wrote:  C > How long does it usually take for encompass to process an online l > membership request?g > H > I was going to sign up for the hobbyist OpenVMS licensing program and E > found out that my DECUS membership # from the early 1990's was not e > accepted/recognized. > J > I went through the online sign-up process at encompass but have not yet I > heard anything back about my member #.  Are they usually pretty speedy eK > about that, or does the process drag on and require periodic rattling of c/ > somebody's cage to get the process completed?m >  > I For the past two years, I received the "application confirmation" e-mail :F the same day I submitted the on-line form. It took about two weeks to  process the application.  B This year, I submitted my on-line app about 10 days ago. Again, I H received the "application confirmation" e-mail the same day. If history E holds true, it should be processed by Encompass in the next few days.:   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 03:08:08 GMT  From: Jim Duff <jim@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: EVA disk storageoH Message-ID: <sKQ3c.188183$hR.3464853@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>   Gorazd Kikelj wrote:M > "Michael Austin" <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com> wrote in message > > news:23Q1c.3569$lP1.1220868226@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com... > J >>So, back to my original question.  Does the Lightning truely work -- and$ >>perform well in the OpenVMS space. >>J >>Quite frankly, I tend to take Gartner with a a grain of salt - more like >>a salt block...  >> >>Michael Austin >> >  >  > 	 > Look at _ > http://www.hp.com/products1/storage/products/disk_arrays/highend/xpoperatingsystem/index.html  > # > OpenVMS is supported on xp boxes.  >  >  >   G Gee, I had to go "Edit->Find in this page" and type in VMS to find the uF single mention.  While three non-HP owned operating systems get their J own separate highlighted box on the page, VMS gets one mention in passing.  F A couple of months ago, I twice communicated my disappointment at the I complete lack of literature on XP1024 compatibility with VMS to HP. I've n! even written it up on my website.   ; Come on HP, how about putting a page together like this oneG  6 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/storage/msa1000.html  G for the XP, and linking to it from the OpenVMS Features box on the VMS r
 home page?     Jimi --   jim AT eight DASH cubed DOT comh   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 12:09:16 +0100h3 From: "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@nospam.hp.com>s Subject: Re: EVA disk storageh* Message-ID: <40504911@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  9 OpenVMS is in supported platforms list on this data sheets  D http://www.hp.com/products1/storage/pdfs/disk_arrays/5981-5717EN.pdf  / and the following document is mandatory readingN  K  ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/products/storageworks/techdoc/san/AA-RU5TE-TE.pdfM  I On http://h18006.www1.hp.com/products/storageworks/san/documentation.htmlA# you can get many usefull documents.E  L And I agree that it's not easy to find info about OpenVMS and xp. It will be? Good Thing (tm) to have a single page on line with all required 
 informations.    Best regards, Gorazd KikeljE   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 06:38:06 GMTA% From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com>O Subject: Re: EVA disk storage 7 Message-ID: <iVc4c.7612$4B1.5764@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>   7 Gorazd Kikelj <gorazd.kikelj@siol.net> wrote in messagee+ news:Qcr3c.6146$%x4.773085@news.siol.net...  > E > "Michael Austin" <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com> wrote inA messageL> > news:23Q1c.3569$lP1.1220868226@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...L > > So, back to my original question.  Does the Lightning truely work -- and& > > perform well in the OpenVMS space. > >CL > > Quite frankly, I tend to take Gartner with a a grain of salt - more like > > a salt block...  > >  > > Michael Austin > >A >N > 	 > Look at1 > L http://www.hp.com/products1/storage/products/disk_arrays/highend/xpoperating system/index.html  > # > OpenVMS is supported on xp boxes.  >  > Best, Gorazd >d > Gorazd Kikelje > Hewlett-Packardt
 > HP Servicesr > Customer Engineero  D That is the sales weenie answer.... It's supported... It slices.. ItI dices... It tuck's you into bed at night!  This still does not answer thetK question of is there a VMS customer out there that is willing to say  "Yes, 9 This shit really works for VMS!  It's running in my shop"6  D Look at Phil Thayer's posts about his problems with the EMC storage.J Granted that HP isn't saying that it is a supported config.  But EMC sales( weenies will tell you that it works too.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:36:49 +0100 3 From: "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@nospam.hp.com>Y Subject: Re: EVA disk storageo* Message-ID: <405176da@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  0 "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> wrote in message1 news:iVc4c.7612$4B1.5764@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...d >t  F > That is the sales weenie answer.... It's supported... It slices.. ItK > dices... It tuck's you into bed at night!  This still does not answer the F > question of is there a VMS customer out there that is willing to say "Yes,k; > This shit really works for VMS!  It's running in my shop"G >lF > Look at Phil Thayer's posts about his problems with the EMC storage.L > Granted that HP isn't saying that it is a supported config.  But EMC sales* > weenies will tell you that it works too. >n >c  @ I do have customers that runs OVMS on xp1024. No problem at all.   Best, Gorazd   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:02:41 +0100w From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: EVA disk storage 2 Message-ID: <c2rvdu$2ll$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Mike Naime wrote:n9 > Gorazd Kikelj <gorazd.kikelj@siol.net> wrote in messageV- > news:Qcr3c.6146$%x4.773085@news.siol.net...e > E >>"Michael Austin" <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com> wrote ink > 	 > message  > > >>news:23Q1c.3569$lP1.1220868226@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com... >>K >>>So, back to my original question.  Does the Lightning truely work -- ando% >>>perform well in the OpenVMS space.i >>>aK >>>Quite frankly, I tend to take Gartner with a a grain of salt - more likeo >>>a salt block... >>>A >>>Michael AustinD >>>p >> >>	 >>Look atn >> > N > http://www.hp.com/products1/storage/products/disk_arrays/highend/xpoperating > system/index.htmln > # >>OpenVMS is supported on xp boxes.  >> >>Best, Gorazd >> >>Gorazd Kikeljd >>Hewlett-Packardn
 >>HP Servicesp >>Customer EngineerC >  > F > That is the sales weenie answer.... It's supported... It slices.. ItK > dices... It tuck's you into bed at night!  This still does not answer theoM > question of is there a VMS customer out there that is willing to say  "Yes,o; > This shit really works for VMS!  It's running in my shop"l > F > Look at Phil Thayer's posts about his problems with the EMC storage.L > Granted that HP isn't saying that it is a supported config.  But EMC sales* > weenies will tell you that it works too. >  >  > O The way I see it is this. The XP/Lightning 99xx series are basically mainframe  P storage cabinets, that can be used for "open systems" meaning Unix, VMS, Linux,  Windooz.  L The disks in such a cabinet are used in groups of four (maybe eight in some P newer systems). Such a group of four disks is then set up as a raid 0+1 or raid P 5 set. Such a set is then formatted & partitioned (!!). A raid 5 set of four 72 Q GB disks will result in for instance six 36GB partitions (you can choose between iM many partition sizes). Normally these 36 GB partitions are then presented as s LUN's to the host system.(  N In Unix as you may know, there is a Logical Volume Manager. With that you can Q combine these 36 GB lun's to bigger units, and then partition those or whatever.  M You can use striping or concatinate those 36 GB lun's and so on. Unix system dP mamangers / operators are capable of producing breathtaking adventurous storage S configurations with these options, and then wonder why their system is so slooooow.   P On VMS we do have software striping etc. (as a layered product), but I doubt if Q many people use it. We expect to get a disk/lun of the size we need, and that is pF it. Now the XP/Lightning can do that, but only by concatinating those K partitions. Striping on the box of the partitions is not supported. From a  P performance point of view concatination is very bad, so it is not what you want.  M My conclusion: The XP/Lightning can be used for Unix, *but* you do need very cN capable system managers etc. to make a good storage configuration on the Unix Q system. An that is also my objection to this kind of storage. A lot, if not most  O of the storage configuration has to be done on the host system. In my view the rK storage should present lun's that can be used at once, without the need to  A juggle with host based concatinating, striping, partitioning etc.5  N For VMS you can use the XP, but with all these matters in mind I would try to 	 avoid it.F   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Mar 2004 08:27:09 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)o Subject: Re: EVA disk storageo3 Message-ID: <gAJarBn$yzLi@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  _ In article <iVc4c.7612$4B1.5764@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> writes:    > F > Look at Phil Thayer's posts about his problems with the EMC storage.L > Granted that HP isn't saying that it is a supported config.  But EMC sales* > weenies will tell you that it works too. >   @ 	It does work, 3 years for me.  I also have in hand spreadsheetsH 	that show there are quite a number of EMC VMS customers.  Additionally,? 	one of the largest corporations in the world does EMC and VMS.   F 	A quick Google in groups has only this association with phil and EMC:  m http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=5ee1d1b7.0402242001.73f39cd3%40posting.google.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplaint  < We have just purchased an AlphaServer ES40 M2 with a KGPSA-CD FiberChannel card in it.  I am trying to get connectivity to the EMCE DAS-24 M2 SAN switch but it doesn't seem to be working.  I am runningyB console firmware version 6.6-19 from Nov 2003 and have replace theC fiber and card already and still no luck.  The EMC people said thatgA when the switch sees "light" on the fiber cable a blue light willvD light up next to the port I am useing.  But it never lights up and I? keep getting the message "pga0.0.0.4.1 link down" on the system % console when I initialize the system.t  @ 	That isn't a storage issue.  Is there something else out there?  E 	Conversely, I had a sales weenie literally chasing me down the hall eB 	pointing out issues with EVAs.  On close inspection and follow-upA 	with good sources, turns out it was FUD.  Carefully examine what B 	any of them say and then go to the source (a good source) to find 	out whether it is true or not.r   				Rob    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Mar 2004 08:37:03 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)e Subject: Re: EVA disk storage-3 Message-ID: <uddLte3PlS2s@eisner.encompasserve.org>5  S In article <c2rvdu$2ll$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:D  N > The disks in such a cabinet are used in groups of four (maybe eight in some R > newer systems). Such a group of four disks is then set up as a raid 0+1 or raid R > 5 set. Such a set is then formatted & partitioned (!!). A raid 5 set of four 72 S > GB disks will result in for instance six 36GB partitions (you can choose between hO > many partition sizes). Normally these 36 GB partitions are then presented as   > LUN's to the host system.o  B 	Depends on the vendor.  In EMC Symmetrix, you can cobble together; 	up to 255 hypers.  I've been told LUNs 3 Terabytes in sizeo 	have been tested.   				Robg   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:15:44 +0100 3 From: "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@nospam.hp.com>  Subject: Re: EVA disk storagea* Message-ID: <4051d462@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:gAJarBn$yzLi@eisner.encompasserve.org...r> > We have just purchased an AlphaServer ES40 M2 with a KGPSA-CF > FiberChannel card in it.  I am trying to get connectivity to the EMCG > DAS-24 M2 SAN switch but it doesn't seem to be working.  I am runningwD > console firmware version 6.6-19 from Nov 2003 and have replace theE > fiber and card already and still no luck.  The EMC people said thatdC > when the switch sees "light" on the fiber cable a blue light will F > light up next to the port I am useing.  But it never lights up and IA > keep getting the message "pga0.0.0.4.1 link down" on the systeme' > console when I initialize the system.t >pA > That isn't a storage issue.  Is there something else out there?  >e  G Did you try fixing the speed of the port? This can be speed negotiationd issue.   Best, Gorazd   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Mar 2004 11:15:24 -0800- From: phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer)M Subject: Re: EVA disk storageo< Message-ID: <5ee1d1b7.0403121115.da25df5@posting.google.com>  e "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@nospam.hp.com> wrote in message news:<4051d462@usenet01.boi.hp.com>...r: > "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:gAJarBn$yzLi@eisner.encompasserve.org...>@ > > We have just purchased an AlphaServer ES40 M2 with a KGPSA-CH > > FiberChannel card in it.  I am trying to get connectivity to the EMCI > > DAS-24 M2 SAN switch but it doesn't seem to be working.  I am runningsF > > console firmware version 6.6-19 from Nov 2003 and have replace theG > > fiber and card already and still no luck.  The EMC people said thatpE > > when the switch sees "light" on the fiber cable a blue light willpH > > light up next to the port I am useing.  But it never lights up and IC > > keep getting the message "pga0.0.0.4.1 link down" on the system ) > > console when I initialize the system.v > >,C > > That isn't a storage issue.  Is there something else out there?c > >y > I > Did you try fixing the speed of the port? This can be speed negotiationu > issue. >  > Best, Gorazd  E Did that and was able to get connectivity to the SAN (although it didsB NOT give a BLUE light as the technicians said it would.  It lite aE GREEN light.)  Now I am at the point where I can see the LUN's on the D SAN at the AlphaServer Console prompt.  But that is as far as I haveF been able to get.  I installed a load of patches that were recommended1 (including the FIBRE_SCSI patch.)  Still no luck.e  E I am soooooooo frustrated withe EMC because they have been absolutely B no help whatsoever.  All I ever get from them is that their SAN isD setup correctly and it must be something on the VMS side that is not right.   PT   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:50:07 +0100s From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: EVA disk storage 2 Message-ID: <c2t1rb$ho8$1@news3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Rob Young wrote:U > In article <c2rvdu$2ll$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:d >  > N >>The disks in such a cabinet are used in groups of four (maybe eight in some R >>newer systems). Such a group of four disks is then set up as a raid 0+1 or raid R >>5 set. Such a set is then formatted & partitioned (!!). A raid 5 set of four 72 S >>GB disks will result in for instance six 36GB partitions (you can choose between aO >>many partition sizes). Normally these 36 GB partitions are then presented as - >>LUN's to the host system.a >  > D > 	Depends on the vendor.  In EMC Symmetrix, you can cobble together= > 	up to 255 hypers.  I've been told LUNs 3 Terabytes in sizeo > 	have been tested. > 	 > 				Rob9 > N You're right. EMC can strip these partitions and offer the stripe as one lun. ' However the XP/Lightning can't do that.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 02:44:23 GMTo% From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com>k Subject: Re: EVA disk storageI7 Message-ID: <bAu4c.8156$4B1.3272@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>f  6 Rob Young <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:gAJarBn$yzLi@eisner.encompasserve.org...eF > In article <iVc4c.7612$4B1.5764@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> writes: >n > >eH > > Look at Phil Thayer's posts about his problems with the EMC storage.H > > Granted that HP isn't saying that it is a supported config.  But EMC sales , > > weenies will tell you that it works too. > >w >aA > It does work, 3 years for me.  I also have in hand spreadsheetsII > that show there are quite a number of EMC VMS customers.  Additionally,c@ > one of the largest corporations in the world does EMC and VMS. >tG > A quick Google in groups has only this association with phil and EMC:l >o >iL http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=5ee1d1b7.0402242001.73f39cd3%40posting.! google.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain  >t> > We have just purchased an AlphaServer ES40 M2 with a KGPSA-CF > FiberChannel card in it.  I am trying to get connectivity to the EMCG > DAS-24 M2 SAN switch but it doesn't seem to be working.  I am runningeD > console firmware version 6.6-19 from Nov 2003 and have replace theE > fiber and card already and still no luck.  The EMC people said thatsC > when the switch sees "light" on the fiber cable a blue light willrF > light up next to the port I am useing.  But it never lights up and IA > keep getting the message "pga0.0.0.4.1 link down" on the system ' > console when I initialize the system.a >!A > That isn't a storage issue.  Is there something else out there?- >-E > Conversely, I had a sales weenie literally chasing me down the hallsC > pointing out issues with EVAs.  On close inspection and follow-up-B > with good sources, turns out it was FUD.  Carefully examine whatC > any of them say and then go to the source (a good source) to finds  > out whether it is true or not. >  > Rob- >k  L I used to work with Phil, and still exchange E-mail with him.  He was a damnL good admin that ran into political trouble.  If he had worked with me on theK hardware/OS side he would probably still be around.  I'm willing to believe-L what he is saying.  I did get him past the cabeling problems.  It was a caseK of the fibre ends needing to be swapped around.  Something that someone new J to Fibre might not know to try.  (Gee it's a brand new cable...  Why isn'tL it working?)  I also found out that Phil is stuck dealing with a third partyH vendor that is trying to blame VMS as the problem.  If this is a re-soldK dot-bomb storage array, it could have been configured for a SUN box, and iteI will never work without the proper configuration tool to change the OS on-? the storage ports.  (According to the EMC SE I talked to today)L  L Rob:  You are an end user.   This is the type of acknowledgement that we areC looking for.  You could care less if I bought HP or Hitachi or EMC.t  
 Mike Naime   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 03:27:12 GMTt" From: tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com Subject: external fscn$_name8 Message-ID: <a9b250dqtiddu5di928bql39d8p9releha@4ax.com>  ( I just can't get a handle on "external".  E A few of you have been nice enough to email me and say "the syntax of > the code does not even compile - on a vax nor on an alpha"....  ; But yet it must have "compiled" on a vax at one time right?:, Cause the code is ON the clients vax box....    =   03  fsn_item_code pic s9(4) comp value external fscn$_name.e  B correction: it compiles, just does not link. says fscn$_name is an undefined symbol.a  
 Any ideas?> email directly after parsing   schiffkey AT cfl DOT rr DOT com  	 Thank youd   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:48:48 -0500s7 From: "Hein van den Heuvel" <hein_news@eps.zko.dec.com>   Subject: Re: external fscn$_name* Message-ID: <40513353@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  J module fscndef is in starlet.mlb, but not in .olb that the linker searches? $ pipe libr/list sys$library:starlet.mlb | search sys$pipe fscnc  / So you have to roll your own global defintions:a $ create fscndef.mar         $FSCNDEF GLOBAL          .END $ macro fscndefi  E Now you have a FSCNDEF.OBJ which you can link with the cobol objects.DL I suppose you coudl also stick it in a librayr for automatic searches, but I
 would not.   hth, Hein.o     $createt/ <tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com> wrote in messagee2 news:a9b250dqtiddu5di928bql39d8p9releha@4ax.com...* > I just can't get a handle on "external". >nG > A few of you have been nice enough to email me and say "the syntax of @ > the code does not even compile - on a vax nor on an alpha".... >a= > But yet it must have "compiled" on a vax at one time right?l. > Cause the code is ON the clients vax box.... >  >e? >   03  fsn_item_code pic s9(4) comp value external fscn$_name.o >gD > correction: it compiles, just does not link. says fscn$_name is an > undefined symbol.e >e > Any ideas?@ > email directly after parsing   schiffkey AT cfl DOT rr DOT com >t > Thank youo >  >o   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2004 20:26:05 -0800- From: phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer)a* Subject: Extremely Frustrated with EMC SAN< Message-ID: <5ee1d1b7.0403112026.e2dfc61@posting.google.com>  A I have been fighting to get this *?&%$*& EMC SAN working with thee= AlphaServer ES40 and it's pushing me to pull my hair out.....   D I have gotten the ES40 to a point where I can see the disks from theA console prompt when I do a SHOW DEVICE.  I have installed all the0? current patches on the ES40 for VMS V7.3.  I can sit on the EMCgE monitoring utility and see the transmit/receive counts increment whenu I do SYSMAN IO AUTOCONFIGURE.1  @ Everything seems to be setup correctly so, WHY DO I NOT HAVE ANY! DRIVES GETTING CONFIGURED IN VMS?*  F I wish this company had just bought a StorageWorks SAN instead of this@ *&%$#?%$%$ EMC SAN.  Unfortunately the decision on this was made before I arrived here.     PT   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 17:04:39 GMTt& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>. Subject: Re: Extremely Frustrated with EMC SAN8 Message-ID: <6fr350118og16foniknq4n0d53prlchs2t@4ax.com>  F On 11 Mar 2004 20:26:05 -0800, phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer) wrote:  B >I have been fighting to get this *?&%$*& EMC SAN working with the> >AlphaServer ES40 and it's pushing me to pull my hair out..... > E >I have gotten the ES40 to a point where I can see the disks from the B >console prompt when I do a SHOW DEVICE.  I have installed all the@ >current patches on the ES40 for VMS V7.3.  I can sit on the EMCF >monitoring utility and see the transmit/receive counts increment when >I do SYSMAN IO AUTOCONFIGURE. >mA >Everything seems to be setup correctly so, WHY DO I NOT HAVE ANY0" >DRIVES GETTING CONFIGURED IN VMS? >eG >I wish this company had just bought a StorageWorks SAN instead of this A >*&%$#?%$%$ EMC SAN.  Unfortunately the decision on this was made0 >before I arrived here..  H Phil, there can be several reasons for this to happen.  I would first of> all check the access list for LUNs and their selective storageJ presentation.  I'd also check port zoning in the switches to make sure the paths are actually allowed.    --- jlsi0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.6 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Mar 2004 11:31:00 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)a. Subject: Re: Extremely Frustrated with EMC SAN3 Message-ID: <5AnhXxNRMYKp@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  H > On 11 Mar 2004 20:26:05 -0800, phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer) > wrote: > C >>I have been fighting to get this *?&%$*& EMC SAN working with thes? >>AlphaServer ES40 and it's pushing me to pull my hair out.....A >>F >>I have gotten the ES40 to a point where I can see the disks from theC >>console prompt when I do a SHOW DEVICE.  I have installed all the A >>current patches on the ES40 for VMS V7.3.  I can sit on the EMC G >>monitoring utility and see the transmit/receive counts increment whenn >>I do SYSMAN IO AUTOCONFIGURE.t >>B >>Everything seems to be setup correctly so, WHY DO I NOT HAVE ANY# >>DRIVES GETTING CONFIGURED IN VMS?  >>H >>I wish this company had just bought a StorageWorks SAN instead of thisB >>*&%$#?%$%$ EMC SAN.  Unfortunately the decision on this was made >>before I arrived here.    9 	Oh - this message. My fault - did not see it via google.>* 	His prior post you can see with phil emc.   				Robb   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Mar 2004 11:48:16 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)n. Subject: Re: Extremely Frustrated with EMC SAN3 Message-ID: <ctEY1yAYYT+h@eisner.encompasserve.org>   l In article <5ee1d1b7.0403112026.e2dfc61@posting.google.com>, phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer) writes:C > I have been fighting to get this *?&%$*& EMC SAN working with theE? > AlphaServer ES40 and it's pushing me to pull my hair out...... > F > I have gotten the ES40 to a point where I can see the disks from theC > console prompt when I do a SHOW DEVICE.  I have installed all themA > current patches on the ES40 for VMS V7.3.  I can sit on the EMCuG > monitoring utility and see the transmit/receive counts increment when> > I do SYSMAN IO AUTOCONFIGURE.h >    	Maybe I'll state the obvious.  = 	You are either on a Symmetrix or a DMX.  I don't know anyone0> 	that has one of those without support.  EMC's support is okay> 	in that you will eventually escalate to the correct level (or* 	go there immediately if Level 1 problem).  B 	If you are attempting to access drives on something other than a " 	Symm or DMX, that's your problem.   				Rob  	a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:13:45 -0500d* From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillmabg@yahoo.com>8 Subject: Finding my local authorized HP Business Partner' Message-ID: <012D0CBD.C22236@yahoo.com>a  K I'm perusing HP's page http://h71000.www7.hp.com/swcat/us/cssmov.html using H Mozilla 1.5 running on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 looking for Save Set ManagerD order information.  That page lists prices and UPIs for what I want.L However, I don't know how to contact my "local authorized Business Partner."C Well, the above page says at the bottom (just before some incorrectrI javascript that displays as text instead of being interpreted, but that'svF another issue): "For further information on how to order this product,H please contact your local authorised HP Business Partner. Click here forK more information if you don't have a local contact."  The "Click Here" is aSI link that points to http://wecome.hp.com/country/us/eng/contact_us.html .2  So, I click that link and I get:  J "welcome.hp.com could not be found.  Please check the name and try again."  F I try the same thing with IE6 and get "The page you are looking for isL currently unavailable."  (The javascript doesn't show up as text here, so itL must have been written by someone whose world is so small s/he thinks IE6 isJ the only browser that exists.)  Doesn't HP vet their own pages?  How can IJ locate my "local authorized Business Partner" when the only means HP givesL me DOESN'T WORK!  I guess HP doesn't want my business.  Doh!  Of course they" don't.  This is for a VMS product. -- r Brian Tillman          Smiths Aerospace 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 > Brian.Tillman is the name, smiths-aerospace.com is the domain.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:54:13 GMTn# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>t< Subject: Re: Finding my local authorized HP Business PartnerH Message-ID: <Vrp4c.19297$iDG1.8631@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  5 "Brian Tillman" <Tillmabg@yahoo.com> wrote in messagei! news:012D0CBD.C22236@yahoo.com...gG > I'm perusing HP's page http://h71000.www7.hp.com/swcat/us/cssmov.htmlp usingsJ > Mozilla 1.5 running on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 looking for Save Set ManagerF > order information.  That page lists prices and UPIs for what I want.D > However, I don't know how to contact my "local authorized Business	 Partner." E > Well, the above page says at the bottom (just before some incorrect K > javascript that displays as text instead of being interpreted, but that's:H > another issue): "For further information on how to order this product,J > please contact your local authorised HP Business Partner. Click here forK > more information if you don't have a local contact."  The "Click Here" ise a1K > link that points to http://wecome.hp.com/country/us/eng/contact_us.html .a" > So, I click that link and I get: >iL > "welcome.hp.com could not be found.  Please check the name and try again." >eH > I try the same thing with IE6 and get "The page you are looking for isK > currently unavailable."  (The javascript doesn't show up as text here, soa itK > must have been written by someone whose world is so small s/he thinks IE6  isL > the only browser that exists.)  Doesn't HP vet their own pages?  How can IL > locate my "local authorized Business Partner" when the only means HP givesI > me DOESN'T WORK!  I guess HP doesn't want my business.  Doh!  Of courseb they > don't.  4 Whaddaya expect - a change of a 10-year old policy??   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:03:09 -0500e$ From: "PEN" <paul.nuneznosp@mhp.com>< Subject: Re: Finding my local authorized HP Business Partner, Message-ID: <c34d2v$j0m$1@hplms2.hpl.hp.com>  	 Hi Brian,o   [snip]   >  The "Click Here" is aK > link that points to http://wecome.hp.com/country/us/eng/contact_us.html .e" > So, I click that link and I get: > L > "welcome.hp.com could not be found.  Please check the name and try again." >h  J Let me first offer a sincere apology for the web site problems; I recentlyL reported the same problem internally, so hopefully they'll fix the bad link.B Notice the word "wecome" in the URL - should be "welcome", so try:  4 http://welcome.hp.com/country/us/eng/contact_us.html  J I urge you to follow up in this thread with the results of your search for) your "local authorized Business Partner." ; I'm hearing too often that's it's too hard to order OpenVMSa> software/licenses and I would appreciate your direct feedback.   TIA,   Paul   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:37:13 -1000i4 From: Ruisheng Peng <peng@olivine.submm.caltech.edu>( Subject: firmware problem on DEC3000 AXP9 Message-ID: <40511449.65EF4681@olivine.submm.caltech.edu>    Hi,w  F   I'm trying to turn a DEC3000 M400 AXP box that used to run Ultrix toB one that runs OpenVMS6.2 as a backup, but am running into firmware	 problems.rA Many of you may recall that to upgrade from anything earlier than1G OpenVMS6.2 to anything later needs to replace a PROM (from series 309E7cG to 333E7) on the main board for the firmware upgrade to be successful.  G The Ultrix box has a PROM of 309E7 series.  So went ahead to replace itdG with a 333E7 series.  The trouble is that upon power up, I can't get todH the console program, nor there's the regular powerup test.  All I get isG a mirrored ? on the console.  The diagnostic LED on the back of the box H has 2, 3, 4 off and the rest on.  Initally suspected that maybe the PROM> I placed in was faulty.  Ordered a couple more.  Same results.  H   Is there something specific in the firmware for the AXP boxes that runG Ultrix as compared to those that run OpenVMS?  Is it possible at all too& turn an Ultrix box into a OpenVMS box?  H   Another strange thing: with the old PROM in place, "show memory" underH console program shows only bank 0 and bank 2, each having 32MB, and bankG 1 and 3 have 0MB.  But all four banks are filled with the same memory. h) I swapped memories around. No difference.t  '   Any help and suggestions appreciated,y   --Ruisheng Pengy   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:23:53 +0800r@ From: Tim Sneddon <first-initiallastname@bsddotinfomedia.com.au>, Subject: Re: firmware problem on DEC3000 AXP( Message-ID: <40511f3a$1@post.usenet.com>  > **** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com ****   Ruisheng Peng wrote: > Hi,  > H >   I'm trying to turn a DEC3000 M400 AXP box that used to run Ultrix to  F I'm not too familiar with that model or Alpha, but Ultrix only ran on 1 PDP/VAX/MIPS. Do you mean OSF/DIGITAL UNIX/Tru64?o  D > one that runs OpenVMS6.2 as a backup, but am running into firmware > problems. C > Many of you may recall that to upgrade from anything earlier than.I > OpenVMS6.2 to anything later needs to replace a PROM (from series 309E7iI > to 333E7) on the main board for the firmware upgrade to be successful.  I > The Ultrix box has a PROM of 309E7 series.  So went ahead to replace itpI > with a 333E7 series.  The trouble is that upon power up, I can't get to J > the console program, nor there's the regular powerup test.  All I get isI > a mirrored ? on the console.  The diagnostic LED on the back of the boxrJ > has 2, 3, 4 off and the rest on.  Initally suspected that maybe the PROM@ > I placed in was faulty.  Ordered a couple more.  Same results. >   G I've never done this myself, but I know of some software called Brick. pA As I understand it this is supposed to be used to recover from a "J situtation similar to yours (I could be wrong, maybe someone else knows?).  ? If you need it, I'm not sure where you could get a copy, maybe aC ftp://gatekeeper.dec.com. If not I can probably do an image of the t. floppy. I think there's a few floating around.  J >   Is there something specific in the firmware for the AXP boxes that runI > Ultrix as compared to those that run OpenVMS?  Is it possible at all to0( > turn an Ultrix box into a OpenVMS box? >   G There are some problems related to running VMS on Windows NT/UNIX only sH machines. This is generally to do with one of the operating systems not E having all the necessary drivers to run on the specific Alpha system.$  J >   Another strange thing: with the old PROM in place, "show memory" underJ > console program shows only bank 0 and bank 2, each having 32MB, and bankI > 1 and 3 have 0MB.  But all four banks are filled with the same memory. t+ > I swapped memories around. No difference.e  @ Not sure about that one. The AlphaServer page at HP should have I documentation for almost all the Alpha systems. You might find something p	 in there.p   > ) >   Any help and suggestions appreciated,  >  > --Ruisheng Pengp   Hope this is helpful.i  
 Regards, Tim.m    F -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=D  *** Usenet.com - The #1 Usenet Newsgroup Service on The Planet! ***+                       http://www.usenet.comiE Unlimited Download - 19 Seperate Servers - 90,000 groups - UncensoredtF -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:04:13 GMT74 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>, Subject: Re: firmware problem on DEC3000 AXP0 Message-ID: <4051D06C.A0D22188@blueyonder.co.uk>   Ruisheng Peng wrote: >  > Hi,- > H >   I'm trying to turn a DEC3000 M400 AXP box that used to run Ultrix toD > one that runs OpenVMS6.2 as a backup, but am running into firmware > problems.DC > Many of you may recall that to upgrade from anything earlier than I > OpenVMS6.2 to anything later needs to replace a PROM (from series 309E7rH > to 333E7) on the main board for the firmware upgrade to be successful.I > The Ultrix box has a PROM of 309E7 series.  So went ahead to replace itdI > with a 333E7 series.  The trouble is that upon power up, I can't get tohJ > the console program, nor there's the regular powerup test.  All I get isI > a mirrored ? on the console.  The diagnostic LED on the back of the boxiJ > has 2, 3, 4 off and the rest on.  Initally suspected that maybe the PROM@ > I placed in was faulty.  Ordered a couple more.  Same results. >   ; I have vaugue memories of this that might be of help.I usedR@ to sit in front of a 3000-400. Wasn't it a SROM chip? I rememberK that if the upgrade wan't sequenced right it was possibe to lock the systems requiring a motherboard change.n  D I suggest you track down the approriate SPD and research from there.   regards,  J >   Is there something specific in the firmware for the AXP boxes that runI > Ultrix as compared to those that run OpenVMS?  Is it possible at all to ( > turn an Ultrix box into a OpenVMS box? >   C The 3000-400 wil run VMS and OSF fine, or did back in the mid-90s. i+ Not sure about newer versions of OSF/Tru64.u      regards --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 21:42:41 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER), Subject: Re: firmware problem on DEC3000 AXP0 Message-ID: <newscache$ddghuh$22r$1@news.sil.at>  g In article <4051D06C.A0D22188@blueyonder.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:i< >I have vaugue memories of this that might be of help.I usedA >to sit in front of a 3000-400. Wasn't it a SROM chip? I remembersL >that if the upgrade wan't sequenced right it was possibe to lock the system  >requiring a motherboard change.  F Yup. At some time in the past the newest firmware version required theF SROM chip to be not V1.0 but V2.1 instead. You had to replace the SROMK before the f/w upgrade (but I don't remember that the Mobo needed a replacei otherwise).p   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERg% Network and OpenVMS system specialisth E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2004 05:56:58 -0800$ From: anantha.prabhu@hp.com (Ananth). Subject: fopen with mode "rt" issue in OVMS...= Message-ID: <e0273250.0403150556.2ea9bbbd@posting.google.com>i   Hello,  < I am using Compaq C++ V6.5-004 on a Alpha  system. I have anF application which uses "rt" mode for opening a file with "fopen" call.? But I am not able to open the file with "rt" mode. Is there anyp? settings needs to be done for enabling ANSI during compilation?k  o@ Where can I get more information/documentation about "Compaq C++
 V6.5-004"?   Thanks and Regards Ananth   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:55:14 +0100M- From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de>g2 Subject: Re: fopen with mode "rt" issue in OVMS...9 Message-ID: <c34g4r$233pj4$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>o  
 Ananth wrote:e > Hello, > > > I am using Compaq C++ V6.5-004 on a Alpha  system. I have anH > application which uses "rt" mode for opening a file with "fopen" call.A > But I am not able to open the file with "rt" mode. Is there any A > settings needs to be done for enabling ANSI during compilation?k  B There is no such mode as "rt" - AFAIK, it's a Microsoft invention.   SeeeG http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/c/docs/5763p027.html#fopen_routine.  >B > Where can I get more information/documentation about "Compaq C++ > V6.5-004"?  3 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/c/c_index.html    -- m@   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de>F    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:34:47 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>5 Subject: for OpenVMS C-programmers: #pragma unused ??r2 Message-ID: <c2ulm9$b09$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>  O We are trying to do some open source projects on OpenVMS, and we stumbled over s2 the < #pragma unused > statements in some sources.  L We already know what it does in other C-compilers. These compilers may give Q warnings if in a function certain attributes in the function call can not be set h; by that function (I just hope I understand this correctly).   P The VMS C-compiler however does not know this pragma, en will produce an error. H Removing this pragma statement will also remove the error, and will not # introduce other warnings or errors.e  O Is there a way to avoid the < #pragma unused > errors without the need to edit o
 the sources ?3   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 06:16:56 GMT " From: tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com9 Subject: Re: for OpenVMS C-programmers: #pragma unused ??y8 Message-ID: <a2u750derss3dhtakfbcctnbuua2hdrcm4@4ax.com>  E would you mind responding directly to     tutor AT cfl DOT rr DOT comr ???e
 Thank you,   --------------------1 Interesting that you are talking about pragma....   - Not being a C programmer (please forgive me),e2 I am not clear what the following code is doing...! and worse yet SHOULD it be there?t  % We are doing a vax to alpha migration C and I wonder why the alpha has this code, and yet the vax does not?   9 ps: this is in the fscndef.h module in the system library     E #pragma __nostandard     /* This file uses non-ANSI-Standard featureso */! #pragma __member_alignment __saveg #pragma __nomember_alignmentD #ifdef __INITIAL_POINTER_SIZE                    /* Defined whenever
 ptr size p< #pragma __required_pointer_size __save           /* Save the previously-definedD #pragma __required_pointer_size __short          /* And set ptr size
 default to   ======================* On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:34:47 +0100, wrote:  P >We are trying to do some open source projects on OpenVMS, and we stumbled over 3 >the < #pragma unused > statements in some sources.p >eM >We already know what it does in other C-compilers. These compilers may give dR >warnings if in a function certain attributes in the function call can not be set < >by that function (I just hope I understand this correctly). >-Q >The VMS C-compiler however does not know this pragma, en will produce an error. eI >Removing this pragma statement will also remove the error, and will not y$ >introduce other warnings or errors. >cP >Is there a way to avoid the < #pragma unused > errors without the need to edit  >the sources ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 07:27:20 GMTr0 From: glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>9 Subject: Re: for OpenVMS C-programmers: #pragma unused ??k, Message-ID: <sPT4c.4273$SR1.18781@attbi_s04>  # tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com wrote:   / > Not being a C programmer (please forgive me), 4 > I am not clear what the following code is doing...# > and worse yet SHOULD it be there?k > ' > We are doing a vax to alpha migrationiE > and I wonder why the alpha has this code, and yet the vax does not?4 > ; > ps: this is in the fscndef.h module in the system libraryh >  > G > #pragma __nostandard     /* This file uses non-ANSI-Standard features. > */# > #pragma __member_alignment __saveC > #pragma __nomember_alignmentF > #ifdef __INITIAL_POINTER_SIZE                    /* Defined whenever > ptr size p> > #pragma __required_pointer_size __save           /* Save the > previously-definedF > #pragma __required_pointer_size __short          /* And set ptr size > default to  B I can't exactly tell what they do, but consider that Alpha and VAX7 have different alignment requirements and pointer size.o  C Well, pointers on Alpha are supposed to be 64 bits, but it might bes2 that it has an option for 32 bit (short) pointers.   -- glenw   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:26:39 GMTs9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>u9 Subject: Re: for OpenVMS C-programmers: #pragma unused ??s/ Message-ID: <PWj5c.855$Nw.623@news.cpqcorp.net>i   cc /warn=disable=UNAVAILPRAGMA  H (or whatever the message was).  This will cause the pragma to be ignoredI without the message.  Just make sure that what the pragma is trying to dosJ isn't strictly required.  This error is an informational - so I'm not sure
 why you care.1    + "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> wrote in messagel, news:c2ulm9$b09$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...K > We are trying to do some open source projects on OpenVMS, and we stumbledp over4 > the < #pragma unused > statements in some sources. >SH > We already know what it does in other C-compilers. These compilers may giveK > warnings if in a function certain attributes in the function call can noth be set= > by that function (I just hope I understand this correctly).s >eJ > The VMS C-compiler however does not know this pragma, en will produce an error.I > Removing this pragma statement will also remove the error, and will not % > introduce other warnings or errors.g > K > Is there a way to avoid the < #pragma unused > errors without the need tom edit > the sources ?z >i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:19:35 -0500@+ From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@intel.com>e  Subject: Re: Fortran 9x for VAX?8 Message-ID: <jkgs40dekjak49lic7cob214du3f264usf@4ax.com>  J On 9 Mar 2004 07:42:26 -0600, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:   O >> I can tell you with certainty that DEC/Compaq never produced one and I'd betrL >> quite a bit that HP never will.  I am also unaware of anyone else who hasE >> offered such a thing, but it is a big world...  I suppose g95 is al >> possibility...n >e/ >   Yep.  I must have been mis-remmebering HPO.g  L For the benefit of others, VAX FORTRAN-HPO was a variant of VAX FORTRAN thatN added automatic parallelization and vectorization.  These features were foldedK into VAX FORTRAN 6.0, which was then and ever more shall be an extended F77o	 compiler.e         Steve Lionel Software Products Division Intel Corporationn
 Nashua, NH  8 User communities for Intel Software Development Products"   http://softwareforums.intel.com/ Intel Fortran Support_7   http://developer.intel.com/software/products/support/t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:14:44 -0700r" From: Dave Pitts <dpitts@cozx.com>  Subject: FS: MicroVAX II systems, Message-ID: <4LadnSpsHqqgSs3dRVn-uQ@csd.net>  
 Hello All:  4 I hope that posting this message to the group is OK.  ; I have two MicroVAX II systems that need good homes. We aree; downsizing the Hacienda and I need to sell these systems. It have:o  9 1. MicroVAX II system in a pedestal with a VT320 console. H 2. MicroVAX II system short 19" rack, VT220 console and TS05 tape drive., 3. Software for both (VMS 5.1) on TK50 media( 4. Complete set of VMS 4.x documentation6 5. Some VMS 5.x docs (Didn't get all of them in time).  C Both systems were running when I last turned them off and they haver Ethernet controllers.n  2 I have no idea as to what these systems are worth.   -- 4M Dave Pitts                   PULLMAN: Travel and sleep in safety and comfort. F dpitts@cozx.com              My other RV IS a Pullman (Colorado Pine). http://www.cozx.com/~dpittst   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 08:50:37 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>t Subject: Ghostscript9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECICEPMCOAA.tom@kednos.com>a  & Martin, any progress fro the vms PORT? tOMw --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 20:42:24 -0800 3 From: Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com>v* Subject: Graphics demos for PowerStorm 300. Message-ID: <404E9CB0.8080204@Flying-Disk.com>  6 Are there any demonstration programs that show off the4 capabilities of the PowerStorm 300 graphics adapter?   Thanks,r Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2004 17:09:23 -08003 From: antony.wardle@optusnet.com.au (Antony Wardle)i Subject: gzip error status< Message-ID: <fe52053.0403111709.1cddc0d9@posting.google.com>  ( how do I check for a gzip error message?  E I have been receiving some corrupt gz files and I'd like to test thems  before I try to decompress them.   gzip -t gzfilename  D will test the file. If there are no errors then nothing is returned,C otherwise I might see something about crc errors. How can I capturei this?n  < $STATUS and $SEVERITY don't change, as I guess gzip is beingB sucessfully run. I tried defining sys$output but the error doesn't turn up in the file.  A I am going to try pipe and see if I can wing it with that, but ifcE someone else has already invented this wheel, then can I borrow a bite	 of it ;-)    cheers   Antony   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 04:02:13 GMTf6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler> Subject: Re: gzip error status@ Message-ID: <5278cb939b80796ea9909639ee1bf6a2@news.teranews.com>  < In article <fe52053.0403111709.1cddc0d9@posting.google.com>,5  antony.wardle@optusnet.com.au (Antony Wardle) wrote:   * > how do I check for a gzip error message?  7 Just a guess, but have you tried redefining SYS$ERROR ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 12:13:31 +0100a- From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de>h Subject: Re: gzip error status9 Message-ID: <c2s60u$20vbt0$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>g   Antony Wardle wrote:* > how do I check for a gzip error message?  ? Judging from the source code (v1.2.4), gzip only returns one ofe
 three values:i   /* Return codes from gzip */ #define OK      0  #define ERROR   1u #define WARNING 2l   cu,    Martin -- e@   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deEF    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 04:14:52 +0000 (UTC)r7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)A" Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes( Message-ID: <c2u1rs$s0j$1@pcls4.std.com>  ( Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com> writes:  E >The only thing I could think of, that might hang a cluster and then oF >resolve itself like that, is a cluster state transition. But I'm not J >much of a sys admin, so I wonder, does that sound like a possibility, or " >should we suspect something else?  J I'll guess that an important drive went offline temporarily and came back,C and everything hung because they all backed up behind a lock on thet affected drive.v  F >BTW: This cluster and apps have been running 24/7 for over 10 years. D >We've had a few system crashes that *may* have been caused by some G >Peek&Spyware, but everything has always come right back up (of course  $ >it's VMS:) Last reboot was in Sept.  I What is 'Peek&Spyware' ?  I am unaware of any PC-type 'spyware' that runst on VMS.t -- l -Miket   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:55:31 -0500t* From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>" Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes8 Message-ID: <dqw4c.2485$zP2.2351@bignews5.bellsouth.net>   Michael Moroney wrote:  K > What is 'Peek&Spyware' ?  I am unaware of any PC-type 'spyware' that runs 	 > on VMS.m    H It is terminal monitoring software that allows you to "shadow" terminal L device and see all of the I/O activity for it on your own terminal.  It has J legitimate usage for training & troubleshooting where one person needs to M take over an end-user's session to directly observe and error or to remotely  L provide keyboard input to help the end-user perform some task.  It can also K be used to spy on users who may be making improper use of system resources dK by allowing their terminal line activities to be monitored and even logged  
 to a file.     --   Chuck Choppe  8 ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com1                                    ICQ # 223215320@ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax4 Greer, SC  29651                  800 774 0718 pagerC                                    8007740718 (at) skytel (dot) comy  , Do not send me unsolicited commercial email.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 08:06:45 GMTv+ From: "Macallan" <ian_macallan@hotmail.com>t" Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes2 Message-ID: <piz4c.73211$Or1.37550@news.chello.at>  .         This can occurs if system disk is full;         for example sys$scratch filled by a sort operation.i  -         In this case only system account haver%         an amount of the time shared.-  0         Check the free size on the system disks.  = "Don Sykes" <paladin@mydomain.com> a crit dans le message de 6 news:78t4c.9471$Qx2.6534@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com... >nG > My customer (a Police 911 dispatch center) experienced an odd hang oftG > their cluster a few days ago. For about 15 minutes no one was able toyJ > get a response on any of their terminals. Then, without any known event,< > the situation cleared itself up. Neither system went down.I > I looked in all the application and system log files, I could think of,cG > but didn't see anything unusual. This is a 2 node, Alpha cluster (DECeI > 7000; VMS Ver.V6.2) with 2, redundant HSJ disk controllers and mirroredr > disks.C > During that time one person was able to log on, but then could do < > nothing else. Everyone else was just hung on both systems.E > The only thing I could think of, that might hang a cluster and theneF > resolve itself like that, is a cluster state transition. But I'm notJ > much of a sys admin, so I wonder, does that sound like a possibility, or# > should we suspect something else?s >tF > BTW: This cluster and apps have been running 24/7 for over 10 years.D > We've had a few system crashes that *may* have been caused by someG > Peek&Spyware, but everything has always come right back up (of course % > it's VMS:) Last reboot was in Sept.o >  > TIA- > -- - >- > Have VMS, Will Travelr > Wire paladin, San Franciscol >_ > (paladinATalphaseDOTcom) >a   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 09:44:18 +01000" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>" Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes2 Message-ID: <4052c9e2$0$280$626a14ce@news.free.fr>  1 ftp://ftp.rtfmcsi.com/ftp/WebDownloads/Resume.pdft% 550 no such file or directory, Chuck.    D.   Chuck Chopp wrote:   [couic]   8 ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com1                                    ICQ # 22321532g@ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax4 Greer, SC  29651                  800 774 0718 pagerC                                    8007740718 (at) skytel (dot) comb   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 11:56:42 +0100y, From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>" Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes: Message-ID: <c2updd$1qhmtm$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>  5 "Don Sykes" <paladin@mydomain.com> schreef in berichty6 news:78t4c.9471$Qx2.6534@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com... >4G > My customer (a Police 911 dispatch center) experienced an odd hang ofoG > their cluster a few days ago. For about 15 minutes no one was able to*J > get a response on any of their terminals. Then, without any known event,< > the situation cleared itself up. Neither system went down.I > I looked in all the application and system log files, I could think of,aG > but didn't see anything unusual. This is a 2 node, Alpha cluster (DECiI > 7000; VMS Ver.V6.2) with 2, redundant HSJ disk controllers and mirroredm > disks.C > During that time one person was able to log on, but then could dor< > nothing else. Everyone else was just hung on both systems.E > The only thing I could think of, that might hang a cluster and thentF > resolve itself like that, is a cluster state transition. But I'm notJ > much of a sys admin, so I wonder, does that sound like a possibility, or# > should we suspect something else?l >hF > BTW: This cluster and apps have been running 24/7 for over 10 years.D > We've had a few system crashes that *may* have been caused by someG > Peek&Spyware, but everything has always come right back up (of coursei% > it's VMS:) Last reboot was in Sept.z >c > TIA  > -- o >  > Have VMS, Will Travelp > Wire paladin, San Francisco  >a > (paladinATalphaseDOTcom) >-D 15 minutes is an odd interval. What I mean is, it does not translateK directly to a timer used by SCS. It is long enough for DECnet though. CouldSG it be that network traffic was so heavy that the VMS systems lost their0
 DECnet links?0   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 12:13:44 +0100h* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>" Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes: Message-ID: <c2uqd8$22038s$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   Don Sykes wrote: > H > My customer (a Police 911 dispatch center) experienced an odd hang of H > their cluster a few days ago. For about 15 minutes no one was able to K > get a response on any of their terminals. Then, without any known event, i< > the situation cleared itself up. Neither system went down.J > I looked in all the application and system log files, I could think of, H > but didn't see anything unusual. This is a 2 node, Alpha cluster (DEC J > 7000; VMS Ver.V6.2) with 2, redundant HSJ disk controllers and mirrored  > disks.D > During that time one person was able to log on, but then could do < > nothing else. Everyone else was just hung on both systems.F > The only thing I could think of, that might hang a cluster and then G > resolve itself like that, is a cluster state transition. But I'm not :K > much of a sys admin, so I wonder, does that sound like a possibility, or m# > should we suspect something else?7 > G > BTW: This cluster and apps have been running 24/7 for over 10 years. eE > We've had a few system crashes that *may* have been caused by some wH > Peek&Spyware, but everything has always come right back up (of course % > it's VMS:) Last reboot was in Sept.n >  > TIAa  L Can you see any messages from that time period in SYS$MANAGER:OPERATOR.LOG ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 17:33:39 GMT  From: guppy@fish.org" Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes8 Message-ID: <uah650hqkdhk86s8pjt08lglhlig9bk30m@4ax.com>  . On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 12:13:44 +0100, Paul Sture  <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote:   >Don Sykes wrote:   E >> During that time one person was able to log on, but then could do y= >> nothing else. Everyone else was just hung on both systems. G >> The only thing I could think of, that might hang a cluster and then eH >> resolve itself like that, is a cluster state transition. But I'm not L >> much of a sys admin, so I wonder, does that sound like a possibility, or $ >> should we suspect something else?  C I recall an entire cluster hanging years ago because it was "out ofeE mailboxes", but I don't remember if it ever took back off on its own./   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 18:59:25 GMTe& From: Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com>" Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes< Message-ID: <hSI4c.9645$2Z1.1825@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>   Hans Vlems wrote:l  7 > "Don Sykes" <paladin@mydomain.com> schreef in berichty8 > news:78t4c.9471$Qx2.6534@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com... > G >>My customer (a Police 911 dispatch center) experienced an odd hang of)G >>their cluster a few days ago. For about 15 minutes no one was able toyJ >>get a response on any of their terminals. Then, without any known event,< >>the situation cleared itself up. Neither system went down.I >>I looked in all the application and system log files, I could think of,oG >>but didn't see anything unusual. This is a 2 node, Alpha cluster (DECeI >>7000; VMS Ver.V6.2) with 2, redundant HSJ disk controllers and mirrored  >>disks.C >>During that time one person was able to log on, but then could don< >>nothing else. Everyone else was just hung on both systems.E >>The only thing I could think of, that might hang a cluster and thenxF >>resolve itself like that, is a cluster state transition. But I'm notJ >>much of a sys admin, so I wonder, does that sound like a possibility, or# >>should we suspect something else?o >>F >>BTW: This cluster and apps have been running 24/7 for over 10 years.D >>We've had a few system crashes that *may* have been caused by someG >>Peek&Spyware, but everything has always come right back up (of coursee% >>it's VMS:) Last reboot was in Sept.- >> >>TIA  >>--   >> >>Have VMS, Will Travel  >>Wire paladin, San Francisco  >> >>(paladinATalphaseDOTcom) >> > F > 15 minutes is an odd interval. What I mean is, it does not translateM > directly to a timer used by SCS. It is long enough for DECnet though. CouldiI > it be that network traffic was so heavy that the VMS systems lost their0 > DECnet links?t >   C Unlikely, in that the overall load on the system was not unusually kH increased and the numer of users is relatively static. I wonder though, I what would happen if someone "unplugged" the LAN connection... although, t( I believe there is also a redundant LAN.     -- e   Have VMS, Will Travel  Wire paladin, San Franciscoa   (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 19:04:04 GMTr& From: Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com>" Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes< Message-ID: <EWI4c.9646$372.7631@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>   guppy@fish.org wrote:l  0 > On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 12:13:44 +0100, Paul Sture" > <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote: >  >  >>Don Sykes wrote: >  > E >>>During that time one person was able to log on, but then could do P= >>>nothing else. Everyone else was just hung on both systems.gG >>>The only thing I could think of, that might hang a cluster and then lH >>>resolve itself like that, is a cluster state transition. But I'm not L >>>much of a sys admin, so I wonder, does that sound like a possibility, or $ >>>should we suspect something else? >  > E > I recall an entire cluster hanging years ago because it was "out ofhG > mailboxes", but I don't remember if it ever took back off on its own.y >  > B There were a couple of "mailbox filled" messages from the 911 tel B interface application, but that's not that too unusual either. It F happens when a user is answering calls, but is not logged on. In that G case the address info from the tel interface is sent to a mailbox that   no one is reading.               -- B   Have VMS, Will Travele Wire paladin, San Franciscoa   (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 19:16:24 GMT:& From: Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com>" Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes< Message-ID: <b6J4c.9652$Pb2.2167@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>   Macallan wrote:e  0 >         This can occurs if system disk is full= >         for example sys$scratch filled by a sort operation.h > / >         In this case only system account havee' >         an amount of the time shared.  > 2 >         Check the free size on the system disks.  A SYS$SCRATCH is undefined above job level, so I guess SYSTEM uses e SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]I The system disk is cluster shared and is about 77% full. Sounds a little yI full, but it still has 1974177 free blocks. Is there a rule of thumb for a'   free space for the SYS$SYSROOT disk ?m   > ? > "Don Sykes" <paladin@mydomain.com> a crit dans le message deb8 > news:78t4c.9471$Qx2.6534@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com... > G >>My customer (a Police 911 dispatch center) experienced an odd hang ofhG >>their cluster a few days ago. For about 15 minutes no one was able tonJ >>get a response on any of their terminals. Then, without any known event,< >>the situation cleared itself up. Neither system went down.I >>I looked in all the application and system log files, I could think of,mG >>but didn't see anything unusual. This is a 2 node, Alpha cluster (DECeI >>7000; VMS Ver.V6.2) with 2, redundant HSJ disk controllers and mirrored  >>disks.C >>During that time one person was able to log on, but then could dow< >>nothing else. Everyone else was just hung on both systems.E >>The only thing I could think of, that might hang a cluster and then F >>resolve itself like that, is a cluster state transition. But I'm notJ >>much of a sys admin, so I wonder, does that sound like a possibility, or# >>should we suspect something else?x >>F >>BTW: This cluster and apps have been running 24/7 for over 10 years.D >>We've had a few system crashes that *may* have been caused by someG >>Peek&Spyware, but everything has always come right back up (of coursen% >>it's VMS:) Last reboot was in Sept.  >> >>TIA0 >>-- t >> >>Have VMS, Will Travelt >>Wire paladin, San Francisco  >> >>(paladinATalphaseDOTcom) >> >  >  >      -- t   Have VMS, Will Travelu Wire paladin, San Francisco-   (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 19:42:40 GMTb& From: Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com>" Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes< Message-ID: <QuJ4c.9718$0p2.8804@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>   Paul Sture wrote:t   > Don Sykes wrote: >  >>I >> My customer (a Police 911 dispatch center) experienced an odd hang of uI >> their cluster a few days ago. For about 15 minutes no one was able to UE >> get a response on any of their terminals. Then, without any known  D >> event, the situation cleared itself up. Neither system went down.G >> I looked in all the application and system log files, I could think rH >> of, but didn't see anything unusual. This is a 2 node, Alpha cluster G >> (DEC 7000; VMS Ver.V6.2) with 2, redundant HSJ disk controllers and e >> mirrored disks.E >> During that time one person was able to log on, but then could do  = >> nothing else. Everyone else was just hung on both systems.nG >> The only thing I could think of, that might hang a cluster and then  H >> resolve itself like that, is a cluster state transition. But I'm not I >> much of a sys admin, so I wonder, does that sound like a possibility,  ' >> or should we suspect something else?  >>H >> BTW: This cluster and apps have been running 24/7 for over 10 years. F >> We've had a few system crashes that *may* have been caused by some I >> Peek&Spyware, but everything has always come right back up (of course b& >> it's VMS:) Last reboot was in Sept. >> >> TIA >  > 4 > Can you see any messages from that time period in  > SYS$MANAGER:OPERATOR.LOG ? >  All I saw was LOTS of :t TELNET Login Request TELNET Logout Requestn  - but that seems consistant throughout the log.w  J The logs are huge, though. 235k & 306k blocks. Could that cause a problem?. What is the quick way to force a new log file?   --     Have VMS, Will Travelr Wire paladin, San Franciscoo   (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 14:57:45 -0500t* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>" Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes) Message-ID: <405367B6.45F5742C@istop.com>   ? There is one message which I *think* doesn't got operator log: n  . The dreaded "page file is getting fragmented".  J What is possible is that your system didn't hang, but it became as slow asJ molasses for any process that needed new memory/paging. This might explainM that some processes coudl still write some entries to the operatr log. It mayoI have unjammed when one process that was a memory hog completed, releasingpH plenty of memory and allowing other processes to resume at normal speed.  F During that time, did you do SHOW MEM to take a look at your page file
 utilisation ?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 22:09:31 +0100 , From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>" Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes: Message-ID: <c2vta6$22nohu$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>  5 "Don Sykes" <paladin@mydomain.com> schreef in bericht-6 news:hSI4c.9645$2Z1.1825@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com... > Hans Vlems wrote:e >l9 > > "Don Sykes" <paladin@mydomain.com> schreef in bericht0: > > news:78t4c.9471$Qx2.6534@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com... > >eI > >>My customer (a Police 911 dispatch center) experienced an odd hang ofoI > >>their cluster a few days ago. For about 15 minutes no one was able tomL > >>get a response on any of their terminals. Then, without any known event,> > >>the situation cleared itself up. Neither system went down.K > >>I looked in all the application and system log files, I could think of,hI > >>but didn't see anything unusual. This is a 2 node, Alpha cluster (DECsK > >>7000; VMS Ver.V6.2) with 2, redundant HSJ disk controllers and mirroredt
 > >>disks.E > >>During that time one person was able to log on, but then could dop> > >>nothing else. Everyone else was just hung on both systems.G > >>The only thing I could think of, that might hang a cluster and then.H > >>resolve itself like that, is a cluster state transition. But I'm notL > >>much of a sys admin, so I wonder, does that sound like a possibility, or% > >>should we suspect something else?  > >>H > >>BTW: This cluster and apps have been running 24/7 for over 10 years.F > >>We've had a few system crashes that *may* have been caused by someI > >>Peek&Spyware, but everything has always come right back up (of courseh' > >>it's VMS:) Last reboot was in Sept.g > >> > >>TIAe > >>--   > >> > >>Have VMS, Will Travelr > >>Wire paladin, San FranciscoO > >> > >>(paladinATalphaseDOTcom) > >> > >lH > > 15 minutes is an odd interval. What I mean is, it does not translateI > > directly to a timer used by SCS. It is long enough for DECnet though.u CouldrK > > it be that network traffic was so heavy that the VMS systems lost their- > > DECnet links?a > >4 >:D > Unlikely, in that the overall load on the system was not unusuallyI > increased and the numer of users is relatively static. I wonder though,dJ > what would happen if someone "unplugged" the LAN connection... although,* > I believe there is also a redundant LAN. >   J I was thinking that other network traffic may have been the problem. ThereJ are a lot of broadcasting/multicasting protocols that don't scale well. IfI there is a redundant LAN (completely separate) then forget my suggestion.a   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 23:07:52 GMT & From: Lee Mah <lytmah@telusplanet.net>" Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes, Message-ID: <cvM4c.81212$Ff2.59796@clgrps12>   REPLYe     /LOG           /LOG         /NOLOG  (      Requires OPER (operator) privilege.  B      Closes the current operator's log file and opens a new one ifB      OPCOM is running. The /NOLOG qualifier closes the current logF      file, but does not open a new log file. The current terminal mustF      be enabled as an operator terminal. The operator can then examine+      the contents of the previous log file.3  B Your log files are rather huge.  I keep mine under 100k blocks by  refreshing every 5 days or so.  G A couple of times last year, I had 2 instances of slow response for 20 c minutes or so.. MONITOR CLUSTER showed no resource deficiency.H This is a 3-site, 5-node (4 x ES45's plus quorum node) cluster (VMS 7.3  at that time).E Everything returned to normal after approx. 20 minutes, with nothing n unusual in the log.hF I found numerous mailbox references in the log, but the message times  did not necessarilyo* synchronize with the slow response times..  G     %SECSRV-E-ASSIGNFAILED, security server failed to assign a channel 0 to a client reply mailboxn     Mailbox Name: >MBA1335:<     Don Sykes wrote:   > Paul Sture wrote:s >. >> Don Sykes wrote:t >> >>> G >>> My customer (a Police 911 dispatch center) experienced an odd hang  E >>> of their cluster a few days ago. For about 15 minutes no one was dH >>> able to get a response on any of their terminals. Then, without any K >>> known event, the situation cleared itself up. Neither system went down.mH >>> I looked in all the application and system log files, I could think I >>> of, but didn't see anything unusual. This is a 2 node, Alpha cluster 7H >>> (DEC 7000; VMS Ver.V6.2) with 2, redundant HSJ disk controllers and  >>> mirrored disks.pF >>> During that time one person was able to log on, but then could do > >>> nothing else. Everyone else was just hung on both systems.H >>> The only thing I could think of, that might hang a cluster and then I >>> resolve itself like that, is a cluster state transition. But I'm not k= >>> much of a sys admin, so I wonder, does that sound like a m5 >>> possibility, or should we suspect something else?. >>>nI >>> BTW: This cluster and apps have been running 24/7 for over 10 years. bG >>> We've had a few system crashes that *may* have been caused by some aC >>> Peek&Spyware, but everything has always come right back up (of  . >>> course it's VMS:) Last reboot was in Sept. >>>u >>> TIAl >> >> >>5 >> Can you see any messages from that time period in   >> SYS$MANAGER:OPERATOR.LOG ?l >> > All I saw was LOTS of :r > TELNET Login Request > TELNET Logout Requestr >a/ > but that seems consistant throughout the log.o > D > The logs are huge, though. 235k & 306k blocks. Could that cause a 
 > problem?0 > What is the quick way to force a new log file? >3   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 07:48:09 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>" Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes- Message-ID: <874qsss406.fsf@prep.synonet.com>c  ( Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com> writes:  D > My customer (a Police 911 dispatch center) experienced an odd hangB > of their cluster a few days ago. For about 15 minutes no one wasE > able to get a response on any of their terminals. Then, without anyrC > known event, the situation cleared itself up. Neither system wenteF > down.  I looked in all the application and system log files, I couldD > think of, but didn't see anything unusual. This is a 2 node, Alpha= > cluster (DEC 7000; VMS Ver.V6.2) with 2, redundant HSJ disk ! > controllers and mirrored disks.d  D Do you know if there where any deadlock scans during this time? TheyF can make the system seem to be locked solid, and will cascade as other2 lock requests time out and triger another, that...  E There is also a old problem where something gets a lock on SYSUAF andtE noone can write to it, but your problem does not seem right for this.=   -- =< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.m@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 22:41:37 -0500V* From: "Marty O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com>" Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes: Message-ID: <c30qcj$22h7ur$1@ID-118202.news.uni-berlin.de>  3 "Don Sykes" <paladin@mydomain.com> wrote in message 6 news:8RK4c.9798$fi3.6267@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com... :oJ : I'm not the SYS Admin of those systems. I'm responsible only for all theJ : low-level application code. I doubt the fellow who was there was able toI : do a SHOW MEM. But I thought the page file is allocated as a contiguousg+ : file? If so, how would it get fragmented?o :e :eb We had something like this a few years ago when I think it was that security messages could not be_ logged (system disk full) and you could only clear it up by getting on the console and deleting  space on the disk.   Martyd   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 12:07:22 GMTs+ From: "Macallan" <ian_macallan@hotmail.com>r" Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes1 Message-ID: <_VX4c.94279$Or1.2243@news.chello.at>   7         You can try to identify the process/job runninge7         during the problem period using the accounting. 4         Accounting provides some usefull information*         as the resource needed by the job.  = "Don Sykes" <paladin@mydomain.com> a crit dans le message de 6 news:QuJ4c.9718$0p2.8804@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com... > Paul Sture wrote:a >h > > Don Sykes wrote: > >p > >>J > >> My customer (a Police 911 dispatch center) experienced an odd hang ofJ > >> their cluster a few days ago. For about 15 minutes no one was able toF > >> get a response on any of their terminals. Then, without any knownF > >> event, the situation cleared itself up. Neither system went down.H > >> I looked in all the application and system log files, I could thinkI > >> of, but didn't see anything unusual. This is a 2 node, Alpha cluster H > >> (DEC 7000; VMS Ver.V6.2) with 2, redundant HSJ disk controllers and > >> mirrored disks.F > >> During that time one person was able to log on, but then could do? > >> nothing else. Everyone else was just hung on both systems.aH > >> The only thing I could think of, that might hang a cluster and thenI > >> resolve itself like that, is a cluster state transition. But I'm notyJ > >> much of a sys admin, so I wonder, does that sound like a possibility,) > >> or should we suspect something else?r > >>I > >> BTW: This cluster and apps have been running 24/7 for over 10 years.yG > >> We've had a few system crashes that *may* have been caused by somelJ > >> Peek&Spyware, but everything has always come right back up (of course( > >> it's VMS:) Last reboot was in Sept. > >> > >> TIA > >g > >n5 > > Can you see any messages from that time period ine > > SYS$MANAGER:OPERATOR.LOG ? > >l > All I saw was LOTS of :a > TELNET Login Request > TELNET Logout Request  > / > but that seems consistant throughout the log.d > L > The logs are huge, though. 235k & 306k blocks. Could that cause a problem?0 > What is the quick way to force a new log file? >i > -- m >  > Have VMS, Will Travelo > Wire paladin, San Franciscoa >l > (paladinATalphaseDOTcom) >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 14:44:34 GMTb# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>o" Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutesI Message-ID: <md_4c.1666$lnp1.566@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   3 "Don Sykes" <paladin@mydomain.com> wrote in message,6 news:78t4c.9471$Qx2.6534@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com... >iG > My customer (a Police 911 dispatch center) experienced an odd hang ofeG > their cluster a few days ago. For about 15 minutes no one was able to J > get a response on any of their terminals. Then, without any known event,< > the situation cleared itself up. Neither system went down.I > I looked in all the application and system log files, I could think of, G > but didn't see anything unusual. This is a 2 node, Alpha cluster (DECeI > 7000; VMS Ver.V6.2) with 2, redundant HSJ disk controllers and mirrored_ > disks.C > During that time one person was able to log on, but then could do-< > nothing else. Everyone else was just hung on both systems.E > The only thing I could think of, that might hang a cluster and then-F > resolve itself like that, is a cluster state transition. But I'm notJ > much of a sys admin, so I wonder, does that sound like a possibility, or# > should we suspect something else?e  J Once all obvious things are analyzed and discounted by examining log filesF and other information that is available from accounting, device stats,I etc... and any short-term 'corrective' action deemed necessary taken, you H may want to consider some system monitoring tool similar to Unicenter orK Polycenter (or whatever it's called these days).  For something as criticaluL as a 911 system, I'd have thought ythere would have been something like that already in-place.r   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:24:20 GMTi> From: Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com>" Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutesA Message-ID: <oY45c.1788$%Q6.600998006@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>    John Smith wrote:0  5 > "Don Sykes" <paladin@mydomain.com> wrote in message:8 > news:78t4c.9471$Qx2.6534@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com... > G >>My customer (a Police 911 dispatch center) experienced an odd hang ofgG >>their cluster a few days ago. For about 15 minutes no one was able towJ >>get a response on any of their terminals. Then, without any known event,< >>the situation cleared itself up. Neither system went down.I >>I looked in all the application and system log files, I could think of, G >>but didn't see anything unusual. This is a 2 node, Alpha cluster (DEC@I >>7000; VMS Ver.V6.2) with 2, redundant HSJ disk controllers and mirrored  >>disks.C >>During that time one person was able to log on, but then could do-< >>nothing else. Everyone else was just hung on both systems.E >>The only thing I could think of, that might hang a cluster and thenoF >>resolve itself like that, is a cluster state transition. But I'm notJ >>much of a sys admin, so I wonder, does that sound like a possibility, or# >>should we suspect something else?e >  > L > Once all obvious things are analyzed and discounted by examining log filesH > and other information that is available from accounting, device stats,K > etc... and any short-term 'corrective' action deemed necessary taken, you'J > may want to consider some system monitoring tool similar to Unicenter orM > Polycenter (or whatever it's called these days).  For something as criticalsN > as a 911 system, I'd have thought ythere would have been something like that > already in-place.o >  >   G  From experience, my guess would be that you had a disk that went into  F mountverify or was full due to some temp files (like SORT files) that G caused your earlier problem. You may also have a drive on the HSJ that 7H is starting to have problems and depending on your level of redundancy, G may have bounced in and out of MNTVERIFY until the controller replaced l0 the drive.  SHOW ERROR and since you are on 6.2 5 ANAL/ERR/INCLUDE=DISK/SINCE="<timestamp before hang>"Y     Michael Austin   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:19:41 GMT > From: Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com>" Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutesA Message-ID: <1U45c.1787$F77.601014399@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>I   John Smith wrote:o  5 > "Don Sykes" <paladin@mydomain.com> wrote in message 8 > news:78t4c.9471$Qx2.6534@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com... > G >>My customer (a Police 911 dispatch center) experienced an odd hang of G >>their cluster a few days ago. For about 15 minutes no one was able toMJ >>get a response on any of their terminals. Then, without any known event,< >>the situation cleared itself up. Neither system went down.I >>I looked in all the application and system log files, I could think of,-G >>but didn't see anything unusual. This is a 2 node, Alpha cluster (DECoI >>7000; VMS Ver.V6.2) with 2, redundant HSJ disk controllers and mirroredm >>disks.C >>During that time one person was able to log on, but then could do.< >>nothing else. Everyone else was just hung on both systems.E >>The only thing I could think of, that might hang a cluster and then F >>resolve itself like that, is a cluster state transition. But I'm notJ >>much of a sys admin, so I wonder, does that sound like a possibility, or# >>should we suspect something else?n >  > L > Once all obvious things are analyzed and discounted by examining log filesH > and other information that is available from accounting, device stats,K > etc... and any short-term 'corrective' action deemed necessary taken, youvJ > may want to consider some system monitoring tool similar to Unicenter orM > Polycenter (or whatever it's called these days).  For something as criticalwN > as a 911 system, I'd have thought ythere would have been something like that > already in-place.- >  > G Another good one is ConsoleWorks by TECSys http://www.tditx.com  I use hC it in an environment that includes almost 200 (and  growing) Alpha wH servers and 36 HSG80 controllers.  It logs ALL output of the console to G a file and allows you to go back and see what happened on the console.  F It also allows multiple people to connect to that console at the same E time from different locatations to view/control the console (dueling  B keyboards).  This is especially useful for my associates and I to G collaborate while troubleshooting. They can be at the office and I can lI be at home connected to the same console.  It also allows me to start an dF upgrade at the office, disconnect, drive home, and finish the install E when I get home.  I can review any messages that occurred during the lI drive home (all of 7 minutes) and either restart or complete the upgrade h7 from the comforts of my big, overstuffed chair at home.w  A As one that is Sys Admin for MANY systems, putting a graphics or ME unrecordable device(VTxxx without a printer etc..) on the console is nG quite ridiculous.  Either waste the paper or use a PC that can capture  H everything that scrolls across the console.  There are many things that H can -- and do -- happen that is sent to the console ONLY... and without F it, it is quite likely that it will take someone that just happens to E walk by the console at the moment of the event to figure out what is t	 going on.-   Michael Austin   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Mar 2004 23:12:21 -0800# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley) " Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes= Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0403142312.6891e150@posting.google.com>f  j Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com> wrote in message news:<78t4c.9471$Qx2.6534@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>...H > My customer (a Police 911 dispatch center) experienced an odd hang of H > their cluster a few days ago. For about 15 minutes no one was able to K > get a response on any of their terminals. Then, without any known event,  < > the situation cleared itself up. Neither system went down.J > I looked in all the application and system log files, I could think of, H > but didn't see anything unusual. This is a 2 node, Alpha cluster (DEC J > 7000; VMS Ver.V6.2) with 2, redundant HSJ disk controllers and mirrored  > disks.D > During that time one person was able to log on, but then could do < > nothing else. Everyone else was just hung on both systems.B To me, this indicates that either sysuaf or rightslist was locked.D Have a look in accounting for processes that terminated just before E the system "came good", and see if any had a connect time of 15 mins.s- (A typical value for tty_timeout is 900 secs)  Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 08:59:43 -0000e! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>s" Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes0 Message-ID: <105as3vsksoi6bd@corp.supernews.com>  $ dooley <dooleys@snowy.net.au> wrote:J : > My customer (a Police 911 dispatch center) experienced an odd hang of J : > their cluster a few days ago. For about 15 minutes no one was able to M : > get a response on any of their terminals. Then, without any known event, - ...-F : > During that time one person was able to log on, but then could do > : > nothing else. Everyone else was just hung on both systems.  D : To me, this indicates that either sysuaf or rightslist was locked.F : Have a look in accounting for processes that terminated just before G : the system "came good", and see if any had a connect time of 15 mins.t/ : (A typical value for tty_timeout is 900 secs)   # Can you log in if SYSUAF is locked?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:25:47 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>" Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes: Message-ID: <c343s5$23migm$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   Don Sykes wrote: > Paul Sture wrote:- >    <snip>   >>5 >> Can you see any messages from that time period in e >> SYS$MANAGER:OPERATOR.LOG ?  >> > All I saw was LOTS of :c > TELNET Login Request > TELNET Logout RequestD > / > but that seems consistant throughout the log.   C That puzzles me. Are lots of users logging in and out all the time?e   > L > The logs are huge, though. 235k & 306k blocks. Could that cause a problem?0 > What is the quick way to force a new log file? >   %  From an account with OPER privilege:   6 $ REPLY/ENABLE	! you may see lots of operator messages" $ REPLY/LOG	! creat a new log file' $ REPL/DISABLE	! stop operator messagest   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:27:37 +0100s* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>" Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes: Message-ID: <c343v9$23migm$2@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   Don Sykes wrote: > JF Mezei wrote:u > A >> There is one message which I *think* doesn't got operator log: 1 >> The dreaded "page file is getting fragmented".c >>F >> What is possible is that your system didn't hang, but it became as 
 >> slow asF >> molasses for any process that needed new memory/paging. This might 
 >> explainJ >> that some processes coudl still write some entries to the operatr log. 	 >> It may L >> have unjammed when one process that was a memory hog completed, releasingK >> plenty of memory and allowing other processes to resume at normal speed.c >>I >> During that time, did you do SHOW MEM to take a look at your page fileV >> utilisation ? >  > K > I'm not the SYS Admin of those systems. I'm responsible only for all the oK > low-level application code. I doubt the fellow who was there was able to bJ > do a SHOW MEM. But I thought the page file is allocated as a contiguous + > file? If so, how would it get fragmented?i > ! It can get fragmented internally.-   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:01:59 GMT<& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>" Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes8 Message-ID: <rdob50d91t2gmildan7tdb8vohibm5l7fh@4ax.com>  F On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 08:59:43 -0000, Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> wrote:  % >dooley <dooleys@snowy.net.au> wrote:oK >: > My customer (a Police 911 dispatch center) experienced an odd hang of tK >: > their cluster a few days ago. For about 15 minutes no one was able to .N >: > get a response on any of their terminals. Then, without any known event,  >...G >: > During that time one person was able to log on, but then could do p? >: > nothing else. Everyone else was just hung on both systems.k >nE >: To me, this indicates that either sysuaf or rightslist was locked.eG >: Have a look in accounting for processes that terminated just before nH >: the system "came good", and see if any had a connect time of 15 mins.0 >: (A typical value for tty_timeout is 900 secs) >u$ >Can you log in if SYSUAF is locked?  J Not normally.  I've seen this happen.  However, if all currently logged-inF users were also hung, this doesn't seem to be the right place to look.  E I'd recommend using Availman/AMDS to monitor the system.  It works athK driver level and will not be affected by 'hangs' that affect processes.  Ita% can be a great troubleshooting tools.    --- jlsL0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.6 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2004 10:52:19 -08007 From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones)S" Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes< Message-ID: <8a646952.0403151052.30a2bb9@posting.google.com>   Dear Don Sykes:t  < I have been reviewing the responses to your request. My onlyD suggestion is to use, if you have them, DECamds or DECps (PolycenterC Performance Adviser, AdviseIT) or like software to investigate youreD problem. Sometime reviewing the performance graphs will indicate theB problem. For example at a site the Alpha 8400 system had come to a? complete halt for some time similar to your situation. The onlyuE difference was the version of Rdb changed from 6.1 to 7.0 and the DBA A were trying to use the rolling AIJ file method feature in Rdb V7.-C After looking into the advisor report and found the CI path was max = out. I used the graphs to find out the old AIJ file was beingsC initialized during this time. Oracle denied it. However, the graphss pinpointed it as the problem.d  
 Good luck!   Daryl Jonese    j Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com> wrote in message news:<78t4c.9471$Qx2.6534@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>...H > My customer (a Police 911 dispatch center) experienced an odd hang of H > their cluster a few days ago. For about 15 minutes no one was able to K > get a response on any of their terminals. Then, without any known event, s< > the situation cleared itself up. Neither system went down.J > I looked in all the application and system log files, I could think of, H > but didn't see anything unusual. This is a 2 node, Alpha cluster (DEC J > 7000; VMS Ver.V6.2) with 2, redundant HSJ disk controllers and mirrored  > disks.D > During that time one person was able to log on, but then could do < > nothing else. Everyone else was just hung on both systems.F > The only thing I could think of, that might hang a cluster and then G > resolve itself like that, is a cluster state transition. But I'm not  K > much of a sys admin, so I wonder, does that sound like a possibility, or :# > should we suspect something else?i > G > BTW: This cluster and apps have been running 24/7 for over 10 years. bE > We've had a few system crashes that *may* have been caused by some tH > Peek&Spyware, but everything has always come right back up (of course % > it's VMS:) Last reboot was in Sept.> >  > TIAn   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2004 11:03:10 -08007 From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones)e" Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes= Message-ID: <8a646952.0403151103.595544fe@posting.google.com>o   Dear Don Sykes:e  A As Paul Sture has already stated, the page file can be fragmentedy? internally. The internal fragmentation can be caused by a smallrE pagefile or almost full pagefile. In either case, a message should behC coming up on your ops log file about the pagefile being fragmented.,   Regards, Daryl Jones           j Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com> wrote in message news:<8RK4c.9798$fi3.6267@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>... > JF Mezei wrote:- > C > > There is one message which I *think* doesn't got operator log: n > > 2 > > The dreaded "page file is getting fragmented". > > N > > What is possible is that your system didn't hang, but it became as slow asN > > molasses for any process that needed new memory/paging. This might explainQ > > that some processes coudl still write some entries to the operatr log. It maylM > > have unjammed when one process that was a memory hog completed, releasinghL > > plenty of memory and allowing other processes to resume at normal speed. > > J > > During that time, did you do SHOW MEM to take a look at your page file > > utilisation ?m > K > I'm not the SYS Admin of those systems. I'm responsible only for all the mK > low-level application code. I doubt the fellow who was there was able to iJ > do a SHOW MEM. But I thought the page file is allocated as a contiguous + > file? If so, how would it get fragmented?"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:46:23 -0500'* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>" Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes) Message-ID: <4056161C.5CBE1395@istop.com>s   Daryl Jones wrote:G > pagefile or almost full pagefile. In either case, a message should beBE > coming up on your ops log file about the pagefile being fragmented.l  J Are you 100% sure the "page file badly fragmented" messages are handled by+ OPCOM and actually logged to operator.log ?o  5 From my experience, they were just displayed to OPA0.c  H There were 2 messages. The first one was something like "page file badlyI fragmented, trying to continue", and the second one lacked the "trying toiM continue". After the first message, you still had time to start logging userseL off. After the second message, it became extremely difficult, and you had to5 carefully select which use loogged off in what order.j  M (Logging off often requires that portion of a process in page file need to betH brought back to memory for process rundown, which means you need to sendN another process,s pages to the page file, and if the later is full/fragmented, that is where it hangs.D   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 14:37:57 GMTc# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>., Subject: Re: hobbyist project for how long ?I Message-ID: <97_4c.1664$lnp1.925@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   / "eddy" <eddysafra@hotmail.com> wrote in messagen7 news:acfa166a.0403140222.55da9419@posting.google.com...n > Hi all >uC > I have a question to HP and the folks behind the hobbyist openvms  > project ,o >n< > First of all I wish that people reading this post will notG > misunderstand my question , I am not complaining but merely wondering  > out loud . > ? > My question is there any mechanism put in place to ensure theoH > longevity in the life of the hobbyist openvms project ? I mean what ifC > after all the time and energy people invest in using the hobbyistoG > openvms some beans counters at HP suddenly realize they aren't makingcF > any money on it and pull the plug all together leaving all the users
 > locked out.n >iC > Again consider it as a concern rather than a complain as I really:A > appreciate the opportunity this project provided us with to use>D > openvms and I am grateful for the efforts of all those behind thisF > project , albeit with a string attached that is to renew the licenseA > on yearly bases and if someone decide we've had enough fun rideaE > suddenly stop the renewing process and lock us out !, won't that bel > heart bleeding ? .    L Any corporation's policies and direction are always subject to change at any time without prior notice.  K As an example, perhaps you'll recall an announcement made on June 25, 2001.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 15:14:29 -0500Q* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>, Subject: Re: hobbyist project for how long ?) Message-ID: <4054BD24.9F598A98@istop.com>a  I > > openvms some beans counters at HP suddenly realize they aren't makingrH > > any money on it and pull the plug all together leaving all the users > > locked out.w  L My hope would be that should this happen, there would be a "temporary" lapseN in security on Montagar's systems, and someone would get a hold of the licenceN generation program which weould contine to be put to good use for the hobbyist community :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)2  E Either that, or someone will find that old t-shirt seen at some DECUStK conference that had the patch to the licencing image written on the back ofeL the t-shirt :-) (i.e. if they don't give us legal hobbyist licences, perhaps& we'll just hack the licencing system).   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:20:58 GMT & From: G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com> Subject: How to get username8 Message-ID: <9im950dii69i8i9s7s4qqr8pvpk14s3b30@4ax.com>  # All of you DCL experts out there...n  B How do I get the username of the current logged on user?  F$user()= seems to just deliver the current UIC which in my case can bea differnet than the username    Thanks in advanceM   Gary   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:27:43 GMT > From: Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com>  Subject: Re: How to get username> Message-ID: <4054D593.7020004@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com>   G Henry wrote:  % > All of you DCL experts out there...o > D > How do I get the username of the current logged on user?  F$user()? > seems to just deliver the current UIC which in my case can bei > differnet than the username  >  > Thanks in advance- >  > Gary >e    ) $ writ sys$output f$getjpi("","USERNAME")z     Michael Austin   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:47:22 GMT5& From: G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com>  Subject: Re: How to get username8 Message-ID: <i2o950dfenfq0mevjg02vmkh43jc4o2ts1@4ax.com>   Michael:  E I fee pretty stupud since I used F$getjpi to get the node name i justa missed the username :-(.    F I have not done DCL for a LONG time so I forget some of the syntax but3 how do I add a single space at the end of this linee  A SET PROMPT="''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''"p "'   Thanks again!!!a   Gary  0 On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:27:43 GMT, Michael Austin0 <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com> wrote:   >G Henry wrote:l >t& >> All of you DCL experts out there... >> aE >> How do I get the username of the current logged on user?  F$user()@@ >> seems to just deliver the current UIC which in my case can be >> differnet than the username l >> > >> Thanks in advance >> d >> Gary> >> >f > * >$ writ sys$output f$getjpi("","USERNAME") >w >r >Michael Austina   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 01:13:29 +0100i9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>o  Subject: Re: How to get username' Message-ID: <4054F529.FA421D14@aaa.com>d   G Henry wrote: > H > I have not done DCL for a LONG time so I forget some of the syntax but5 > how do I add a single space at the end of this line  > C > SET PROMPT="''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''"w > "'  	 One way :   : $ P="''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''" $ SET PROMPT = "''p' "  ) The space is added in the second command.(   Jan-Erik   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 00:39:00 GMT & From: G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com>  Subject: Re: How to get username8 Message-ID: <3ou9501nol3vjpp5imuhf4n9gqjvvecqkb@4ax.com>  	 THanks !!   ; I would not have thoguth I needed to do it in two commands!a  
 Thanks again o   Gary    D On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 01:13:29 +0100, Jan-Erik Sderholm <aaa@aaa.com> wrote:   >G Henry wrote:t >> oI >> I have not done DCL for a LONG time so I forget some of the syntax but 6 >> how do I add a single space at the end of this line >> 1D >> SET PROMPT="''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''" >> "'o > 
 >One way : >e; >$ P="''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''"  >$ SET PROMPT = "''p' "w >i* >The space is added in the second command. >a	 >Jan-Erikl   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 21:03:32 -0500o( From: "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail.com>  Subject: Re: How to get username, Message-ID: <40550f41$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  3 "G Henry" <newsgroup@gnshenry.com> wrote in message 2 news:3ou9501nol3vjpp5imuhf4n9gqjvvecqkb@4ax.com... > THanks !!  >i= > I would not have thoguth I needed to do it in two commands!l  K set prompt seems to have slightly nonstandard parsing, because it is a datae value?  F > >> SET PROMPT="''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''"  E The getjpi username should, best I know return a 12 character string. G The double-quote - single-quote before getjpi should, best I know be an. error B The two single-quotes after getjpi should, best I know be an error2 But the combination adds up to a trimmed username!  L Maybe something in 'deferred substitution' that is not immediatly obvious to me. K [see "12.13.4 Repetitive and Iterative Substitution" in the VMS Usersguide: K http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/6489/6489pro_033.html#index_x_1459"]    Hein.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 05:35:10 -0000 ! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>g  Subject: Re: How to get username0 Message-ID: <105ag4ec3kr6df2@corp.supernews.com>  ' Jan-Erik S?derholm <aaa@aaa.com> wrote:aE : > SET PROMPT="''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''"r   : One way :o< : $ P="''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''" : $ SET PROMPT = "''p' "   Another way:  F $ SET PROMPT="''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''>" "   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2004 03:55:43 -0800% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn)d  Subject: Re: How to get username= Message-ID: <a98cd882.0403150355.7a8731f1@posting.google.com>   Y Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> wrote in message news:<105ag4ec3kr6df2@corp.supernews.com>...s) > Jan-Erik S?derholm <aaa@aaa.com> wrote:rG > : > SET PROMPT="''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''"r >   
 > : One way :e> > : $ P="''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''" > : $ SET PROMPT = "''p' " >  > Another way: > H > $ SET PROMPT="''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''>" "  > Although this surprisingly DOES work, it makes an even greater4 syntactical mess of the command then it already was.   Another observation:  < $ A = "''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''" $ SHOW SYMBOL At   A = "SPLZ03::BART"? $ A = "''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''>" "e@ %DCL-W-SYMDEL, invalid symbol or value delimiter - check command syntax $f  & Any comments from our DCL wizard, Guy?   Regards,  	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 08:40:46 -0500t  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>  Subject: Re: How to get username6 Message-ID: <1040315083355.34750B-100000@Ives.egh.com>  # On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, G Henry wrote:h  
 > Michael: > G > I fee pretty stupud since I used F$getjpi to get the node name i juste > missed the username :-(.   > H > I have not done DCL for a LONG time so I forget some of the syntax but5 > how do I add a single space at the end of this line  > C > SET PROMPT="''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''"h > "' >  > Thanks again!!!r >  > Gary >    $ SET PROMPT= -yF  "''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::''F$EDIT(F$GETJPI("","USERNAME"),"TRIM")' "  @ (I split the command onto a continuation line because it is wide7 enough to cause problems in my mail client's editor...)   @ Need to use F$EDIT to get rid of trailing spaces on username andC replace the "' before the 2nd term with '' (replace expression withq; result inside quoted string), and change the final '' to '.n  B Adding a space now is simply a matter of inserting a literal space0 into the quoted prompt string, right at the end.     --   John Santosa Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2004 10:24:40 -0800- From: phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer)m  Subject: Re: How to get username= Message-ID: <5ee1d1b7.0403151024.23d5fac8@posting.google.com>:  j Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) wrote in message news:<a98cd882.0403150355.7a8731f1@posting.google.com>...[ > Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> wrote in message news:<105ag4ec3kr6df2@corp.supernews.com>...h+ > > Jan-Erik S?derholm <aaa@aaa.com> wrote:dI > > : > SET PROMPT="''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''"a >  s > > : One way :c@ > > : $ P="''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''" > > : $ SET PROMPT = "''p' " > >  > > Another way: > > J > > $ SET PROMPT="''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''>" " > @ > Although this surprisingly DOES work, it makes an even greater6 > syntactical mess of the command then it already was. >  > Another observation: > > > $ A = "''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''" > $ SHOW SYMBOL At >   A = "SPLZ03::BART"A > $ A = "''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''>" "cB > %DCL-W-SYMDEL, invalid symbol or value delimiter - check command > syntax > $  > ( > Any comments from our DCL wizard, Guy? > 
 > Regards, >  > Bart Zornt    	 Try this:p  D A = F$GETSYI("NODENAME")+"::"+F$EDIT(F$GETJPI("","USERNAME"),"trim") SET PROMPT="''A' > "  ? Basically, the principles are to insert a double-quote inside a A quotesed string you have to use two double-quotes.  So inside the0C outermost set of double-quotes you have to double the double-quotesi whever you want them at.  F However, to reduce the confusion in all that simply don't do it insideA quotes.  The F$GETSYI and F$GETJPI both return string variables. nC Concatinate them to the ":: and " > " to create the string you want  and use that to set the prompt.o  D Also, if you use a symbol other than A you can use that symbol as an< indentifier for the process later.  For Example. NODE_USER = .....NAMENAME.....USERNAME  . IF NODE_USER .EQS. "NODE1::USER1" THEN LOGOUT     Or some other control like that.   PT   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 12:51:50 +0800/ From: "Yong Boon, Lim" <limyb@megasteel.com.my>c1 Subject: Re: How to Ping Between OpenVMS and Unix * Message-ID: <c2m7fb$s31$1@news4.jaring.my>   Friend,0  L     Sorry that l don't provide adequate information regarding the version of the TCP/IP,n  L     So my OpenVMS is version 7.1-2 which imply that we are using UCX instead
 of TCP/IP.B     Besides, the Unix is Digital Unix 4....which l think is almost obsolete...........   D     Let's get to the business, here is my system configuration, i.e.
     VMS site:o             IP :  192.168.2.2m              Subnet : 192.168.2.0     Digital Unix             IP : 191.1.2.2             Subnet : 191.1.2.0E     To connect both system WITHOUT going through IP-route or gateway.1  5     So l've done the following steps on both systems,c          Digital UnixF7               # route add -host 192.168.2.2 191.1.2.2 1s          OpenVMS;               UCX> set route 191.1.2.2 /gateway=192.168.2.2 6     At the end, l still not able to "Ping" each other.  J     So what l've been suggested to add logical address which is same class with the opponent on eitherhI    OpenVMS/Digital Unix.....is there any better solution other than this?dG     Besides, how do add the logical unix on Digital Unix using ifconfig   
 Best Regards,l Yong Boon, Lim        9 Matt Muggeridge <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com> wrote in messageo7 news:w062c.88733$Wa.36907@news-server.bigpond.net.au...mL > You don't mention what version of TCP/IP.  This should work on V5.* on the > VMS side:  > * >     $ @sys$manager:tcpip$define_commands- >     $ route add -net 191.1.2/24 192.168.3.2o >hD > On UNIX side (you don't mention which UNIX), something similar to: >a- >     $ route add -net 192.168.3/24 191.1.2.2W >e > Matt.w >s >  > --? > -------------------------------------------------------------e > OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering > Enterprise Computing Group > Hewlett-Packard Companyp > Gold Coast, AUSTRALIA ? > -------------------------------------------------------------  >$ >A< > "Yong Boon, Lim" <limyb@megasteel.com.my> wrote in message& > news:c29kte$5bm$1@news4.jaring.my... > > Friend,h > >eF > >     l've one OpenVMS server and one Unix server on SINGLE physical networkb > > WITHOUT gateway in between.?1 > >     These systems have different subnet, i.e.  > >  > >     OpenVMSV > >         IP : 192.168.3.2" > >         Subnet : 255.255.255.0 > >s > >     Unix > >        IP : 191.1.2.2-! > >        Subnet : 255.255.255.04 > >ML > >    In order for both system to be able to "PING" each others, what exact) > > configuration (and command like Routeb7 > >    or UCX Add Route?) should l add to both systems?d > >. > >     Thank in advance!s > >c > > Regards, > > Lim7 > >. > >g >o >.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:31:12 +0800/ From: "Yong Boon, Lim" <limyb@megasteel.com.my>51 Subject: Re: How to Ping Between OpenVMS and Unixn* Message-ID: <c2m7fe$s31$2@news4.jaring.my>  
 Hi friend,  F    O.K., l'm using OpenVMS 7.1-2 (with UCX) and Digital Unix 4........    So the configuration is,l        OpenVMS Siten             IP : 192.168.2.2"             Subnet : 255.255.255.0        Digital Unix Site             IP : 191.1.2.2"             Subnet : 255.255.255.0C    Since there are existing on the same physical network WITHOUT IPn
 route/Gatewayo<    l've done the following configuration on both sites, i.e.         OpenVMSu8            ucx> set route 191.1.2.2 /gateway=192.168.2.2          Digital Unixa5             # route add -host 192.168.2.2 191.1.2.2 1 /     But l still can't ping each others.........i  K     So what l've been suggested to do is to add a logical IP on either siten which have theJ     same class with the other site..........is it a better ways? Or you've any better suggestion?       Thank you!  
 Best Regrads,t Yong Boon, Lim          9 Matt Muggeridge <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com> wrote in message 7 news:w062c.88733$Wa.36907@news-server.bigpond.net.au...sL > You don't mention what version of TCP/IP.  This should work on V5.* on the > VMS side:w >d* >     $ @sys$manager:tcpip$define_commands- >     $ route add -net 191.1.2/24 192.168.3.2e >uD > On UNIX side (you don't mention which UNIX), something similar to: >f- >     $ route add -net 192.168.3/24 191.1.2.2m >t > Matt.g >D >o > --? > -------------------------------------------------------------e > OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering > Enterprise Computing Group > Hewlett-Packard Company4 > Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAo? > -------------------------------------------------------------d >  > < > "Yong Boon, Lim" <limyb@megasteel.com.my> wrote in message& > news:c29kte$5bm$1@news4.jaring.my... > > Friend,r > >iF > >     l've one OpenVMS server and one Unix server on SINGLE physical networks > > WITHOUT gateway in between.l1 > >     These systems have different subnet, i.e.n > >  > >     OpenVMSe > >         IP : 192.168.3.2" > >         Subnet : 255.255.255.0 > >e > >     Unix > >        IP : 191.1.2.2l! > >        Subnet : 255.255.255.0i > >aL > >    In order for both system to be able to "PING" each others, what exact) > > configuration (and command like Route>7 > >    or UCX Add Route?) should l add to both systems?r > >t > >     Thank in advance!  > >  > > Regards, > > Lims > >. > >I >n >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:36:33 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>P Subject: HP and AMD Form Relationship to Power Server Innovation and Performance2 Message-ID: <40521142$0$305$636a15ce@news.free.fr>  @ [from http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2004/040224a.html]  L New AMD Opteron processor-based HP ProLiant servers offer customers greater   standards-based choice and value  . PALO ALTO and SUNNYVALE, Calif., Feb. 24, 2004P --------------------------------------------------------------------------------  E HP and AMD today announced an expanded collaboration to broaden HP's nH standards-based server portfolio with the introduction of AMD OpteronTM M processor-based systems in the HP ProLiant server family. The companies have rO agreed to work together to drive next-generation server capabilities through a aH multi-year purchasing, marketing and technology collaboration agreement.  M "HP's Adaptive Enterprise strategy assures customers that they will have the aL broadest choice of industry standard-based platforms to meet their evolving P business needs," said Brad Anderson, senior vice president and general manager, M Industry Standard Servers, HP. "The AMD Opteron processor is an evolution of HO current x86 architectures that can provide immediate performance advantages in yO 32-bit environments, accelerate ISV adoption and further advance the future of s 64-bit ecosystems."7  Q "HP, the market leader for servers, has chosen the AMD Opteron processor to help nN expand their product offerings," said Marty Seyer, vice president and general O manager, Microprocessor Business Unit, AMD. "Their decision to incorporate AMD hI Opteron processors in the ProLiant family confirms AMD's momentum in the tE enterprise and HP's commitment to providing customers more choice on   industry-standard platforms."y  N As part of today's announcement, HP introduced new industry-standard ProLiant M servers featuring the AMD Opteron processor, including the ProLiant DL145, a eN two-processor server, and DL585, a four-processor workhorse, as well as plans I for future blade servers (for details, see HP news release entitled, "HP  L Broadens Customer Choice with Expansion of Industry-leading Standards-based  Server Portfolio").>  O "Yahoo! is pleased to see HP ProLiant servers using the AMD Opteron processor. wL With all of the dependability and functionality we expect from the ProLiant M line, this is a welcome addition that makes a lot of sense for Yahoo!," said r5 Kevin Timmons, senior director of Operations, Yahoo!.r  O "We are very excited by HP's enhancement of its HPC roadmap by the addition of tM AMD Opteron processor-based ProLiant server nodes for large-scale clusters," eH said Mike Levine and Ralph Roskies, co-scientific directors, Pittsburgh N Supercomputing Center. "By providing a choice of HPC solutions, based on both Q ProLiant and Integrity servers, HP is well-positioned to maintain its leadership e in HPC."  J Working with AMD expands HP's unique ability to deliver industry-standard K solutions to all computing tiers of the data center. With its full line of kO ProLiant servers, HP provides customers extensive value, support and technical cH expertise. AMD Opteron processor-based ProLiant servers offer customers Q cutting-edge 32- and 64-bit solutions that position HP for accelerated growth in tK specific markets, including high-performance computing (HPC) applications, d0 memory-intensive applications and blade servers.  J Building on its new AMD Opteron processor-based HP ProLiant servers, HP's L extensive portfolio of infrastructure solutions delivers consistency across L management, storage, operating system, solutions and professional services. L Ideal for applications needing expanded memory capabilities and outstanding N price/performance, AMD64 technology allows customers to leverage one platform 6 for both 32-bit and sophisticated 64-bit applications.  H Complementary with HP's existing ProLiant, Integrity and NonStop server M offerings, the AMD Opteron processor is designed to deliver high-performance  G server and workstation solutions for today's most demanding enterprise  Q applications. Key AMD Opteron processor innovations include an integrated memory  P controller, which reduces memory latency, and HyperTransport technology, which Q increases overall performance by removing or reducing processor-to-processor and  Q input/output bottlenecks, increasing bandwidth and enabling the processor to use aB system memory more efficiently in high-end multiprocessor systems.  ; More information about HP ProLiant servers is available at v- http://www.hp.com/products/servers/platforms.c ---   . So, we will have i64, Athlon-64 and Opteron???   D. --  2 VAXUS - Your new helpful friend in the DEC Family!2 EHQ: 19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France/       Phone: +336 7983 6418 Fax: +335 6154 1928l$                 http://www.vaxus.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 16:24:40 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>> Subject: HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour( Message-ID: <40479E8E.569E4D8@istop.com>  L Shock and horror. The VMS web site has succombed to the terrible practice ofQ using a 1*1 GIF image to define a backround colour instead of using a color= tag.i  J This slows down the browsing extremely, not only because of the extra HTTPK transaction needed to get that stupid file, but also because that 1*1 imagef4 need to be tiled a billion times to fill the screen.  M This means that each time one scrolls the page, it needs to be slowly redrawnoK because instead of using rapid logic to paint a whole area the same colour,RN the browser must not only tile the image, but also then manually overlay other images/text in the foreground.  M This may not be extremely visible on 3ghz wintel machines, but it is terribly M slow on older machines and is extremely bad coding practice. Shame on you HP.e  - And low and behold, the offending image used:h" http://welcome.hp-ww.com/img/s.gif   is a 1 pixel of ****WHITE****e  % And it is used liberally on the page.n   This is at:e7 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/index.html?jumpid=/go/openvmsi  F Oh, and by the way, that page makes liberal use of various style sheetL classes, yet, nowhere in the page does it define those classes or point to a. URL that contains the style sheet definitions.    J And feeding the page thorugh the validator.w3.org generates lots of errorsI (including inapropriate use of backgroup=url scheme in some of the tags).   E If Microsoft wants its own standard for HTML/javascript/css, then theeJ documents its software produce should point to the standard HTML DTDs, butI instead point to the proprietary Microsoft ones. At least those documentsa, would validate against those proprietary DTS   ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 07:04:31 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)B Subject: Re: HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour$ Message-ID: <c2ehhv$pk6$2@online.de>  1 In article <40479E8E.569E4D8@istop.com>, JF Mezeih$ <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:   N > Shock and horror. The VMS web site has succombed to the terrible practice ofH > using a 1*1 GIF image to define a backround colour instead of using a 
 > color= tag.p > L > This slows down the browsing extremely, not only because of the extra HTTPM > transaction needed to get that stupid file, but also because that 1*1 image 6 > need to be tiled a billion times to fill the screen.  / > And low and behold, the offending image used:e$ > http://welcome.hp-ww.com/img/s.gif >  > is a 1 pixel of ****WHITE****  > ' > And it is used liberally on the page.e  F How can the developer of this page be so incompetent and, presumably,  get paid for it?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 15:59:40 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGB Subject: Re: HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour0 Message-ID: <00A2E7BB.C308C0F7@SendSpamHere.ORG>  w In article <c2ehhv$pk6$2@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:m2 >In article <40479E8E.569E4D8@istop.com>, JF Mezei% ><jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: o >hO >> Shock and horror. The VMS web site has succombed to the terrible practice oflI >> using a 1*1 GIF image to define a backround colour instead of using a E >> color= tag. >> pM >> This slows down the browsing extremely, not only because of the extra HTTPtN >> transaction needed to get that stupid file, but also because that 1*1 image7 >> need to be tiled a billion times to fill the screen.l >x0 >> And low and behold, the offending image used:% >> http://welcome.hp-ww.com/img/s.gif8 >> m  >> is a 1 pixel of ****WHITE**** >> 8( >> And it is used liberally on the page. >tG >How can the developer of this page be so incompetent and, presumably, 9 >get paid for it?   J HP probably hired some incompetent too bright for the software developmentK team of that schlock outfit in Redmond.  What ever happened to the good ol'T/ days when only the gov't employed incompetents?   t --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.s -- cK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMi            s5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:00:07 -0500 , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>B Subject: Re: HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour* Message-ID: <404f9014@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  ! you guys are really on the ball..   K it's been that way for almost 2 years. In fact EVERY PAGE on HP.COM servers. is the same way.H It is a corporate requirement. I didn't invent it, I didn't get asked. I just had to impliment it.o   -warren    --  K --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7 Warren Sander                   WW E-Marketing (HP.COM)pB Hewlett-Packard Company         Work:  warren.sander@remove.hp.comK 200 Forest Street MR01-3/K8     Personal: sander.ma.ultranet@remove.rcn.comr. Marlboro, MA 01752              (508) 467-48755    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself0*          Read http://www.hp.com/go/openvmsK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------s    , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A2E7BB.C308C0F7@SendSpamHere.ORG...F > In article <c2ehhv$pk6$2@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de2 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:4 > >In article <40479E8E.569E4D8@istop.com>, JF Mezei& > ><jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > >iE > >> Shock and horror. The VMS web site has succombed to the terriblet practice of J > >> using a 1*1 GIF image to define a backround colour instead of using a > >> color= tag. > >>J > >> This slows down the browsing extremely, not only because of the extra HTTPJ > >> transaction needed to get that stupid file, but also because that 1*1 imaget9 > >> need to be tiled a billion times to fill the screen.  > > 2 > >> And low and behold, the offending image used:' > >> http://welcome.hp-ww.com/img/s.gifv > >>" > >> is a 1 pixel of ****WHITE**** > >>* > >> And it is used liberally on the page. > > H > >How can the developer of this page be so incompetent and, presumably, > >get paid for it?  > L > HP probably hired some incompetent too bright for the software developmentI > team of that schlock outfit in Redmond.  What ever happened to the good  ol'm1 > days when only the gov't employed incompetents?y >n > --D > http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityE >                             solutions that others only claim to be.a > -- o2 > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >a6 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:39:52 +0000 (UTC)uP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)B Subject: Re: HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour$ Message-ID: <c2o5fo$qrv$1@online.de>  : In article <404f9014@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> writes: e  # > you guys are really on the ball..  > M > it's been that way for almost 2 years. In fact EVERY PAGE on HP.COM serversi > is the same way.  C The page has always taken longer to load than it should.  I'm sure  E several people have noticed that, but since it's rather complicated, HI probably no-one noticed why.  Until now.  Presumably, this WILL increase g the time it takes to load.  J > It is a corporate requirement. I didn't invent it, I didn't get asked. I > just had to impliment it.i   You have my sympathy.l   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 01:00:40 GMThL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")B Subject: Re: HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour6 Message-ID: <00A2EA49.AE74654F@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  w In article <c2o5fo$qrv$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:r; >In article <404f9014@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "warren sander"o  ><warren.sander@hp.com> writes:  >g$ >> you guys are really on the ball.. >> rN >> it's been that way for almost 2 years. In fact EVERY PAGE on HP.COM servers >> is the same way.r > D >The page has always taken longer to load than it should.  I'm sure F >several people have noticed that, but since it's rather complicated, J >probably no-one noticed why.  Until now.  Presumably, this WILL increase  >the time it takes to load.   I Just to be really picky - it will increase the time to _display_, but thed? single small image won't increase the time to _load_ very much.e   >pK >> It is a corporate requirement. I didn't invent it, I didn't get asked. IE >> just had to impliment it. >  >You have my sympathy.  	 Seconded.f   -- Alanu   -- eO ===============================================================================20  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056mM  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================g   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 23:09:58 +0000 (UTC)eP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)B Subject: Re: HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour$ Message-ID: <c2qrk6$11e$1@online.de>  6 In article <00A2EA49.AE74654F@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>,F winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:   K > Just to be really picky - it will increase the time to _display_, but the A > single small image won't increase the time to _load_ very much.    Right.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 00:02:20 GMTr8 From: "Tom Simpson" <thomas.simpson1@nospam.comcast.net>B Subject: Re: HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour- Message-ID: <fcs4c.20108$mM.161155@attbi_s02>s  L I _did_ notice it 2 years ago.  I just did not think it would do any good toJ complain.  I just quit browsing HP web sites unless I have a specific need$ and there is no other alternative...   Regards, Tomi  7 "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> wrote in messagew$ news:404f9014@usenet01.boi.hp.com...# > you guys are really on the ball..  >iE > it's been that way for almost 2 years. In fact EVERY PAGE on HP.COMp servers  > is the same way.J > It is a corporate requirement. I didn't invent it, I didn't get asked. I > just had to impliment it.i >b	 > -warreno >r > --  L > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - 9 > Warren Sander                   WW E-Marketing (HP.COM) D > Hewlett-Packard Company         Work:  warren.sander@remove.hp.com+ > 200 Forest Street MR01-3/K8     Personal:t! sander.ma.ultranet@remove.rcn.comk0 > Marlboro, MA 01752              (508) 467-48757 >    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myselfo, >          Read http://www.hp.com/go/openvmsL > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -  >p >m. > <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message, > news:00A2E7BB.C308C0F7@SendSpamHere.ORG...H > > In article <c2ehhv$pk6$2@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de4 > (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:6 > > >In article <40479E8E.569E4D8@istop.com>, JF Mezei( > > ><jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > > >aG > > >> Shock and horror. The VMS web site has succombed to the terriblec
 > practice ofmL > > >> using a 1*1 GIF image to define a backround colour instead of using a > > >> color= tag. > > >>L > > >> This slows down the browsing extremely, not only because of the extra > HTTPL > > >> transaction needed to get that stupid file, but also because that 1*1 > image ; > > >> need to be tiled a billion times to fill the screen.r > > >k4 > > >> And low and behold, the offending image used:) > > >> http://welcome.hp-ww.com/img/s.gif  > > >>$ > > >> is a 1 pixel of ****WHITE**** > > >>, > > >> And it is used liberally on the page. > > >yJ > > >How can the developer of this page be so incompetent and, presumably, > > >get paid for it?u > >gB > > HP probably hired some incompetent too bright for the software developmentnK > > team of that schlock outfit in Redmond.  What ever happened to the goodc > ol'e3 > > days when only the gov't employed incompetents?  > >i > > --F > > http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityG > >                             solutions that others only claim to be.  > > -- 04 > > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker > VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > >-8 > >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" >u >L   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:24:07 +0100n From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>B Subject: Re: HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour2 Message-ID: <c2ul27$mit$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   warren sander wrote:# > you guys are really on the ball..  > M > it's been that way for almost 2 years. In fact EVERY PAGE on HP.COM serverst > is the same way.J > It is a corporate requirement. I didn't invent it, I didn't get asked. I > just had to impliment it.o > 	 > -warren  > L I suppose we all can understand that. But perhaps you can find out why they > implemented such a strange way of getting a white background ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 08:37:14 +0100t( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>& Subject: Re: Intel releases 64bit Xeon3 Message-ID: <000d01c40672$81c953f0$994614ac@wat153>m   Hello,   Andrew did wrote:o   >>>jE The system tested had a maximum I/O bandwidth of 14200 MB/s not 270004E MB/s this is because it had 71 x 200MB/s FC HBA's. We could of course F use newer 2 port HBA's this would increase our available I/O bandwidthF but not by a factor of 2 because 1 HBA in every 4 would be in a 33 Mhz slot.l <<<c  H Andrew I don=B4t know how you get your values? I did found on the newestD Sun WEBside about the F15K the following performance specifications:A   Overall System Bandwidth Up to 172.8 GBps peak, up to 43.2 GBpso< sustained. Overall I/O Bandwidth: up to 21.6 GBps sustained.H So I think, that with the newest hardware, the max. overall I/O bandwith7 is 21.6GB/s. The F25K is not much faster with 25.2GB/s.e   Best regards Rudolf Wingert    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 00:33:34 GMTr& From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>& Subject: Re: Intel releases 64bit Xeon0 Message-ID: <ynt3c.591$v02.349@news.cpqcorp.net>  : Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote:< > Perhaps you have now worked out how Sun calculated its I/OC > throughput numbers for the F25K ? Rather more scientific than the 0 > I/O bridge peak throughpu x 16 as in the Dome.  9 Well if taking the sums of the peak throughput of the PCIo6 busses and multiplying by .8 is more scientific, sure.  F > Perhaps its also time to draw a line under what seems to be becoming? > an increasing unhappy discussion as far as you are concerned.   @ Why should I be unhappy?  I'm learing more about my competition.  
 rick jones -- -H Wisdom Teeth are impacted, people are affected by the effects of events.F these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...h   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2004 09:46:59 +0100' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)k# Subject: Re: Is DISK a new command?G+ Message-ID: <+oS3K2vkhWGy@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>f  6 In article <404E65E5.4CAB764C@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>,B "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:  'E > Hhmmm... Cute! Maybe it should be modified to handle volume-sets...w  . Good idea, just no time now to implement  :-)    -- S>    Joseph "Sepp" Huber, Muenchen   http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:07:28 +0100 : From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de># Subject: Re: Is DISK a new command?w) Message-ID: <c2mlrt$otb2@doiweb4.b2x.vwg>s  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------000505070706030902020902; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bito  
 pbc wrote:   > Hi > K > I'm using OVMS 7.3 on my XP1000. After reading Open VMS System ManagementeD > Guide I tried to use DISK getting an error no such command exists. >  > Peter  >  > ^ Sometime ago I enhanced an utility called DBL I found somewhere, it makes a nice listing like:   SAP01_Rohwedder. dblO     device        label      type.s   m a x     f r e e      u s e d        I/OwQ     ------        -----      ------   -----  -----------    -----------  -------- P DSA0:         VAX_SYSTEM    RF72.2   4.00    2.51( 62%)     1.48( 38%)    463327P DSA1:         AXP_SYSTEM    DKX0.5  33.92   29.65( 87%)     4.27( 13%)   5374203P DSA2:         CNC_DISK      DKX0.5  33.92   32.01( 94%)     1.91(  6%)   3236193P DSA5:         SCRATCH       DKX0.5  33.92   33.04( 97%)     0.88(  3%)   3183649P DSA8:         INFO          DKX0.5  33.92   33.17( 97%)     0.74(  3%)    301974P DSA9:         APPL_2        DKX0.5  33.92   24.41( 71%)     9.50( 29%)   3226262P DSA13:        KITS_1        DKX0.5  33.92   18.64( 54%)    15.28( 46%)   1204762P DSA20:        USER_1        DKX0.5  33.92   31.36( 92%)     2.56(  8%)   1079888P $1$LDA100:    AXPDOCDEC031 LDdsk.2   0.31    0.02(  7%)     0.29( 93%)       168P $1$LDA101:    AXPDOCDEC032 LDdsk.2   0.57    0.04(  6%)     0.53( 94%)       168P $1$LDA102:    AXPDOCDEC033 LDdsk.2   0.29    0.01(  3%)     0.27( 97%)       176P $1$LDA103:    VMSDOC0732   LDdsk.2   0.52    0.04(  6%)     0.49( 94%)       318P $1$LDA104:    FREEWARE50   LDdsk.2   1.06    0.04(  3%)     1.03( 97%)      7243P $1$LDA106:    FREEWARE60   LDdsk.2   0.72    0.02(  2%)     0.70( 98%)      2438P --------------------------------------------------------------------------------P Totals: [GByte]             # 14   244.90  204.97( 83%)    39.93( 17%)  18080769  3 Note:	- the .S field in type is the structure level"P 	- P1 may be used (? for version info) to specify a string that must be included 	  in devicename or label [ 	- when called without parameters the SW-Raid template device DPA0 and shadowsets with unitMK 	  numbers >6000 are skipped (the default numbers for SW-Raid/shadow disks)'  K It is in FORTRAN,  I attached the source, may be it is usefull for someone.m   -- c  + mit freundlichen Gren | with best regardsu  ? Karl Rohwedder          | karl.rohwedder(at)it-ingenieurteam.de-A                          | extern.karl.rohwedder(at)volkswagen.den  & --------------000505070706030902020902 Content-Type: text/plain;4  name="DBL.FOR"- Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit4 Content-Disposition: inline;  filename="DBL.FOR"e   	PROGRAM DBL Cc C  LINK OPTIONS:! C	LINK dbl,sys$system:sys.stb/sels Ct C	Modified: D C	28-JAN-1992 Rohwedder	- skip () on volnam and increase fieldlength  C				  to display full labelname@ C	30-SEP-1997 Rohwedder	- add P1 to select devices to be scannedF C	 2-DEC-1997 Rohwedder	- increase diskspace to allow for larger disksQ C	13-SEP-1999 Rohwedder	- change arithmetic to allow for big disks (18GB or more)"7 C	25-AUG-2000 Rohwedder	- alloe P1 to also select labeloR C	22-MAY-2001 Rohwedder	- upcase comandline (it gets funny by parsestyle=extended)i C	24-JAN-2002 Rohwedder	- skip DPA0: template device (RAID) and DSA with units >6000 (RAID default names) Q C	28-FEB-2002 Rohwedder	- fix small bug which prevented DSA6 grom being displayede; C	19-JUL-2002 Rohwedder	- add structure level to type fieldiM C	20-AUG-2002 Rohwedder	- skip DSA6000 only, if no selection via P1 is active M C	20-DEC-2002 Rohwedder	- search also in medianame, insert version string (?)- C- 	IMPLICIT INTEGER*4(A-Z)         INCLUDE '($DCDEF)'         INCLUDE '($DVIDEF)'a         INCLUDE '($DVSDEF)': 	INCLUDE '($SSDEF)'a C  	CHARACTER*64 DEVNAM,MEDIANAM4 	CHARACTER*12 VOLNAM 	Character*1  ACPNAM   	Character*128 CmdLine 	Integer*2     CmdLinel8  P 	Parameter   Program   = 'DBL V2.0, list disk devices, fill levels and IO rates'O 	Parameter   Copyright = '          (c) 2002 Karl Rohwedder (iT-Ingenieurteam)'a. 	Parameter   Usage1    = '   Usage: $ DBL [s]'a 	Parameter   Usage2    = '          S: only, if S is contained in devicename, label or medianame'N  F 	INTEGER    CLASS,SYS$GETDVIW,OPCNT,MAX,TOTMAX,TOTFREE,DEVTYPE,ACPTYPE> 	INTEGER    TOTIO,TOTDISK,TOTUSED,USED,VOLNAMLEN,MEDIALEN,HOAV4 	INTEGER    SYS$DEVICE_SCAN,STATUS,DEVLEN,CONTXT,NCU7 	INTEGER    FREEBL,FP,UP,CATCH,MERGE,MEMBER,FAIL,REFCNTt   	REAL	   Factor	   	STRUCTURE /ITMLST/  	  UNION 	    MAP 	      INTEGER*2 BUFLEN  	      INTEGER*2 CODE' 	      INTEGER*4 BUFADR"!               INTEGER*4 RETLENADRS             END MAP              MAPN 	      INTEGER*4 END_LISTN             END MAPW           END UNIONo         END STRUCTUREc         RECORD /ITMLST/ DVI (2)  	RECORD /ITMLST/ GDV (8) 	RECORD /ITMLST/ GDS (7)             CONTXT		=0 	TOTDISK		=0
 	TOTIO		=0 	TOTMAX		=0E 	TOTFREE		=0  , 	Factor		= 512.0 / 1024.0 / 1024.0 / 1024.0    	Call	LIB$GET_FOREIGN (i 	1	    Cmdline,, r 	1	    Cmdlinel,)s 	  	Call	STR$UPCASE ( 	1	    Cmdline,  	1	    Cmdline)  	i   	If (CmdLineL .gt. 0) Then3 	    If (Index('?', CmdLine(1:CmdLineL)).gt.0)	Thenh 		Type*, Program 		Type*, CopyRight 		Type*, Usage1i 		Type*, Usage2m 		Call Exiti
 	    Endif 	Endif   	CLASS		=DC$_DISKJ         DVI(1).buflen	=4"         DVI(1).code	=DVS$_DEVCLASS"         DVI(1).bufadr	=%LOC(CLASS)"         DVI(1).retlenadr=%LOC(NCU) 	DVI(2).END_LIST =0u 	GDS(1).buflen	=4h' 	GDS(1).code	=DVI$_SHDW_CATCHUP_COPYINGt 	GDS(1).bufadr	=%LOC(CATCH)  	GDS(2).buflen	=4S% 	GDS(2).code	=DVI$_SHDW_FAILED_MEMBERN 	GDS(2).bufadr	=%LOC(FAIL) 	GDS(3).buflen	=4r 	GDS(3).code	=DVI$_SHDW_MEMBER 	GDS(3).bufadr	=%LOC(MEMBER) 	GDS(4).buflen	=4u% 	GDS(4).code	=DVI$_SHDW_MERGE_COPYINGn 	GDS(4).bufadr	=%LOC(MERGE). 	GDS(5).buflen	=4R 	GDS(5).code	=DVI$_HOST_AVAILa 	GDS(5).bufadr	=%LOC(HOAV) 	GDS(6).buflen	=4g 	GDS(6).code	=DVI$_REFCNTr 	GDS(6).bufadr	=%LOC(REFCNT) 	GDS(7).end_list	=0n 	GDV(1).buflen	=4h 	GDV(1).code	=DVI$_FREEBLOCKS  	GDV(1).bufadr	=%LOC(FREEBL) 	GDV(2).buflen	=4X 	GDV(2).code	=DVI$_MAXBLOCKi 	GDV(2).bufadr	=%LOC(MAX)i 	GDV(3).buflen	=4k 	GDV(3).code	=DVI$_MEDIA_NAME  	GDV(3).bufadr	=%LOC(MEDIANAM)  	GDV(3).retlenadr=%LOC(MEDIALEN) 	GDV(4).buflen	=4e 	GDV(4).code	=DVI$_OPCNT 	GDV(4).bufadr	=%LOC(OPCNT): 	GDV(5).buflen	=12 	GDV(5).code	=DVI$_VOLNAM: 	GDV(5).bufadr	=%LOC(VOLNAM)! 	GDV(5).retlenadr=%LOC(VOLNAMLEN)y 	GDV(6).buflen	=4t 	GDV(6).code	=DVI$_DEVTYPE 	GDV(6).bufadr	=%LOC(DEVTYPE)i 	GDV(7).buflen	=4s 	GDV(7).code	=DVI$_ACPTYPE 	GDV(7).bufadr	=%LOC(ACPTYPE)h   	GDV(8).end_list	=0.  X c	TYPE *,'   device      label   type  maxblocks  blocks    free  blocks    used    I/O'  X 	TYPE *,'   device        label      type.s   m a x     f r e e      u s e d        I/O'Z 	TYPE *,'   ------        -----      ------   -----  -----------    -----------  --------' 	DO WHILE (.true.) 	        MEDIANAM(1:64)=' '  		VOLNAM(1:12)=' ' 	        DEVNAM(1:64)=' 'iL c        	STATUS=SYS$DEVICE_SCAN(DEVNAM,DEVLEN,DEVSEA(1:devseal),DVI,CONTXT)=         	STATUS=SYS$DEVICE_SCAN(DEVNAM,DEVLEN,'*',DVI,CONTXT)7$ 		IF (STATUS.NE.SS$_NORMAL)GO TO 101/ 		STATUS=SYS$GETDVIW(,,DEVNAM(:DEVLEN),GDS,,,,) $ 		IF (STATUS.NE.SS$_NORMAL)GO TO 1009 		IF ((.NOT.HOAV).OR.MEMBER.OR.FAIL.OR.CATCH.OR.MERGE.OR.  	1	(REFCNT.EQ.0)) GO TO 1002/ 		STATUS=SYS$GETDVIW(,,DEVNAM(:DEVLEN),GDV,,,,)t$ 		IF (STATUS.NE.SS$_NORMAL)GO TO 100  < c		check, if cmdline is contained in either VOLNAM or DEVNAM5 		If(CmdLinel.gt.0)	Then	! search criteria entered?		-E 			If (Index(VolNam(1:VolNamLen),    Cmdline(1:CmdLineL)).le.0  .and.CF 	1		    Index(DevNam(1:DevLen),       Cmdline(1:CmdLineL)).le.0  .and.T 	2		    Index(MediaNam(1:MediaLen),   Cmdline(1:CmdLineL)).le.0) Goto 100	! end loop 		Endify   c		skip template devices dpa0a, 		If(Devnam(1:DevLen).eq.'_DPA0:')		Goto 100  7 c		skip raid shadowsets (unit >6000), if no P1 is givenn! 	        If (CmdLinel.le.0)  Thenr< 		    If (Devnam(1:5).eq.'_DSA6' .and. Devlen.gt.8)	Goto 100 		Endife  ; c               If RAID0 or RAID5 -> set medianame manually1 		If (Devtype.eq.175)	Then 			Medianam	= 'RAID0'  			Medialen	= 5  		Endif    		If (Devtype.eq.176)	Then 			Medianam	= 'RAID5'  			Medialen	= 5o 		Endifs  4 c               If LD disk -> set medianame manuallyD 		If (Devtype.eq.129 .and. INDEX (Devnam(1:Devlen),'LDA').ne.0)	Then 			Medianam	= 'LDdsk'd 			Medialen	= 5h 		Endifv 		       		IF(MAX.EQ.0) GO TO 100 		TOTDISK=TOTDISK+1  		TOTMAX=TOTMAX+MAX- 		TOTFREE=TOTFREE+FREEBL 		TOTIO=TOTIO+OPCNT8 		USED=MAX-FREEBLn! 		FP=Float(FREEBL)/Float(MAX)*100u 		UP=100-FPw   		VOLNAM(VOLNAMLEN+1:)=' '   		If (MediaLen.eq.4) Then$, 		    Medianam = ' ' // Medianam(1:Medialen) 		    MediaLen = 5 		EndifU   		MEDIANAM(MEDIALEN+1:)=' '    		ACPNAM	= '?'. 		If (ACPTYPE.eq.DVI$C_ACP_F11V1) ACPNAM = '1'. 		If (ACPTYPE.eq.DVI$C_ACP_F11V2) ACPNAM = '2'. 		If (ACPTYPE.eq.DVI$C_ACP_F11V3) ACPNAM = '3'. 		If (ACPTYPE.eq.DVI$C_ACP_F11V4) ACPNAM = '4'. 		If (ACPTYPE.eq.DVI$C_ACP_F11V5) ACPNAM = '5'. 		If (ACPTYPE.eq.DVI$C_ACP_F11V6) ACPNAM = '6'  7 		WRITE(*,10) DEVNAM,VOLNAM,MEDIANAM,ACPNAM,MAX*Factor,p( 	1	FREEBL*Factor,FP,USED*Factor,UP,OPCNTD 10		FORMAT(A14,' ',A12,' ',A5,'.',A1,' ',F6.2,'  ',F6.2,'(',I3,'%)', 	1	'   ',F6.2,'(',I3,'%)',I10)
 100	END DO 101	CONTINUE) 	If (totmax.le.0) call exit (ss$_Normal) e 	Totused	= Totmax - Totfreed$ 	FP=FLoat(TOTFREE)/Float(TOTMAX)*100
 	UP=100-FPa         TYPE *,'--------------------------------------------------------------------------------' b 	WRITE (*,11) TOTDISK,Float(TOTMAX)*Factor,Float(TOTFREE)*Factor,FP,Float(TOTUSED)*Factor,UP,TOTIOD 11	FORMAT(' Totals: [GByte]             #',I3,' ',F8.2,' ',F7.2,'('," 	1	I3,'%)  ',F7.2,'(',I3,'%)',I10) 	CALL EXIT(SS$_NORMAL) 	END  ( --------------000505070706030902020902--   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:04:06 -0600.@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net># Subject: Re: Is DISK a new command?d6 Message-ID: <404FE536.72F051AB@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Karl Rohwedder wrote:- >  > pbc wrote: >  > > Hi > >-M > > I'm using OVMS 7.3 on my XP1000. After reading Open VMS System ManagementaF > > Guide I tried to use DISK getting an error no such command exists. > >-	 > > Peter- > >- > >-` > Sometime ago I enhanced an utility called DBL I found somewhere, it makes a nice listing like: >  > SAP01_Rohwedder. dblQ >     device        label      type.s   m a x     f r e e      u s e d        I/OeS >     ------        -----      ------   -----  -----------    -----------  --------,R > DSA0:         VAX_SYSTEM    RF72.2   4.00    2.51( 62%)     1.48( 38%)    463327R > DSA1:         AXP_SYSTEM    DKX0.5  33.92   29.65( 87%)     4.27( 13%)   5374203R > DSA2:         CNC_DISK      DKX0.5  33.92   32.01( 94%)     1.91(  6%)   3236193R > DSA5:         SCRATCH       DKX0.5  33.92   33.04( 97%)     0.88(  3%)   3183649R > DSA8:         INFO          DKX0.5  33.92   33.17( 97%)     0.74(  3%)    301974R > DSA9:         APPL_2        DKX0.5  33.92   24.41( 71%)     9.50( 29%)   3226262R > DSA13:        KITS_1        DKX0.5  33.92   18.64( 54%)    15.28( 46%)   1204762R > DSA20:        USER_1        DKX0.5  33.92   31.36( 92%)     2.56(  8%)   1079888R > $1$LDA100:    AXPDOCDEC031 LDdsk.2   0.31    0.02(  7%)     0.29( 93%)       168R > $1$LDA101:    AXPDOCDEC032 LDdsk.2   0.57    0.04(  6%)     0.53( 94%)       168R > $1$LDA102:    AXPDOCDEC033 LDdsk.2   0.29    0.01(  3%)     0.27( 97%)       176R > $1$LDA103:    VMSDOC0732   LDdsk.2   0.52    0.04(  6%)     0.49( 94%)       318R > $1$LDA104:    FREEWARE50   LDdsk.2   1.06    0.04(  3%)     1.03( 97%)      7243R > $1$LDA106:    FREEWARE60   LDdsk.2   0.72    0.02(  2%)     0.70( 98%)      2438R > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------R > Totals: [GByte]             # 14   244.90  204.97( 83%)    39.93( 17%)  18080769 > 7 > Note:   - the .S field in type is the structure leveldY >         - P1 may be used (? for version info) to specify a string that must be includedi" >           in devicename or labeld >         - when called without parameters the SW-Raid template device DPA0 and shadowsets with unitT >           numbers >6000 are skipped (the default numbers for SW-Raid/shadow disks) > M > It is in FORTRAN,  I attached the source, may be it is usefull for someone.t  D A .OLB for Vax / Alpha / Itanic would be better (for those who don't have the compiler)..   -- H David J. Dachterar dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/r   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 05:09:12 GMTd, From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net># Subject: Re: Is DISK a new command?D- Message-ID: <YBb4c.12868$Gm5.41678@attbi_s04>t  I The OpenVMS System Management Guide 2nd Edition from HP press does indeed I refer to a DISK command.  Its shown on pg 315 and can be downloaded alongiE with a bunch of other procedures described in Appendix E.  One of thenI authors, Baldwin, has a group of procedures which he calls TASM: T=forgotaK A=automated S=system M=management.  I started to look at this today and raneH into DISK.COM which produces the screen output described in this thread.  ' The book is worth having on your shelf.    Dave...p  , "pbc" <pbc@informchaos.com> wrote in message* news:c2g6hp$2dnr$1@alpha2.radio-msu.net... > Hi >nK > I'm using OVMS 7.3 on my XP1000. After reading Open VMS System ManagementnD > Guide I tried to use DISK getting an error no such command exists. >e > Peterp >t >s   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2004 08:13:16 -0800! From: tom@kednos.com (Tom Linden)o! Subject: Re: Is the INFOVAX dead?o= Message-ID: <ef893e89.0403150813.1cde42da@posting.google.com>s  c "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote in message news:<003701c40a66$efa4bf70$994614ac@wat153>...o > Hello, > F > At the moment I don t get any message from the INFOVAX. Is there anyI > known problem? I am still member of this site? Or could it be a problemt? > of our provider? Please answer via INFOVAX and (!!) directly.  > % > TIA and best regards Rudolf Wingertr  ? It appears the list server is misbehaving, I sent the followingt   [SUBSCRIBE INFO-VAX]  & You are already subscribed to INFO-VAX   [SET INFO-VAX NODIGEST]-  - Your subscription is already set to NODIGEST.r   [SET INFO-VAX MAIL]t  ) Your subscription is already set to MAIL.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:24:29 +0100e( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> Subject: Is the INFOVAX death?3 Message-ID: <003701c40a66$efa4bf70$994614ac@wat153>u   Hello,  F At the moment I don=B4t get any message from the INFOVAX. Is there anyG known problem? I am still member of this site? Or could it be a problemo= of our provider? Please answer via INFOVAX and (!!) directly.n  # TIA and best regards Rudolf Wingertp   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2004 13:03:38 -0800. From: drew.shelton@sematech.org (Drew Shelton)" Subject: Re: Is the INFOVAX death?< Message-ID: <fb0c6fe9.0403151303.994c922@posting.google.com>  c "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote in message news:<003701c40a66$efa4bf70$994614ac@wat153>...p > Hello, > F > At the moment I don t get any message from the INFOVAX. Is there anyI > known problem? I am still member of this site? Or could it be a probleme? > of our provider? Please answer via INFOVAX and (!!) directly.n > % > TIA and best regards Rudolf Wingerth  5 I have received just one message from INFO-VAX today.e   Drew Shelton   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:31:14 -0500s' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>d3 Subject: RE: Is time to have Alpha/Itanium Blades ?4R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB2797B3@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----/ > From: Mike Naime [mailto:mnaime@kc.rr.com]=203 > Sent: March 9, 2004 8:33 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como5 > Subject: Re: Is time to have Alpha/Itanium Blades ?a >=20@ > I need my Alphaserver to have Multiple Fibre Channel and IP=20 > connections.< > Something that most of our existing Bladeservers do not=20@ > require.  This is also the reason that I do not buy the "L"=20B > version of Alphaservers.  I need the internal PCSI slots that=20? > you are missing on the 10L.  I suppose that with the ISCSI=20s> > Router/Bridge or FCIP protocols, you can do Fibre channel=20@ > through your network IP connection.  That would mean that I=20? > need 5 network ports/connections in my Alphaserver, and it=20.) > will not be as fast as an internal HBA.h >=20@ > We were buying racks of Dell servers for a couple of years,=20; > and we have now turned to 2 different styles of the HP=20t< > bladeservers.  48 per rack where you need mirrored 36GB=20@ > disks, or a 3U shelf that holds 20 some blades with a small=20A > internal drive. (No redundancy)  I have not seen anything on=20h; > the IBM blades, but I bet that if they were that price=20 A > competitive, we would be using them instead of the HP blades=20- > that we are using today. >=20> > Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message=209 > news:f30679fb.0403091119.59dde164@posting.google.com.../	 > > Click  > >n7 > > http://news.com.com/2100-1010-5171648.html?tag=3Dnle > >t > >sG > > Looks like IBM is winning the blade race with their PowerPC blades. % > > Why not Alpha or Itanium blades ?i > >. > > Regardsd > >h > > FC >=20  	 Mike -=20r  5 Re: requiring multiple SAN and network connections ..   C The new blades today offer integrated dual SAN and dual 10/100/1000s) network connections on each blade server.t  G I expect the blade server arena to get real interesting in the next fewD years...   :-)   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantt HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660a Fax: 613-591-4477e Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom-. (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:14:59 +0000 (UTC)C- From: lewis@spyder.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) 3 Subject: Re: Is time to have Alpha/Itanium Blades ?e. Message-ID: <c2niei$gkb$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> writes in article <%eu3c.3985$4B1.3287@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com> dated Wed, 10 Mar 2004 01:32:43 GMT:I >I need my Alphaserver to have Multiple Fibre Channel and IP connections.oJ >Something that most of our existing Bladeservers do not require.  This isK >also the reason that I do not buy the "L" version of Alphaservers.  I needeI >the internal PCSI slots that you are missing on the 10L.  I suppose thatiI >with the ISCSI Router/Bridge or FCIP protocols, you can do Fibre channel/K >through your network IP connection.  That would mean that I need 5 network F >ports/connections in my Alphaserver, and it will not be as fast as an >internal HBA.  J The DS10L has one PCI slot.  If you put a 4-way ethernet in it, that givesJ you a total of 6 interfaces.  Then you need some kind of SAN for storage. G iSCSI sounds like kind of a wacky concept to me; I'd use NFS and do theD shadowing within the SAN.a  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:42:43 GMT<& From: G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com>( Subject: Keyboard and the NewVMS desktop8 Message-ID: <ric9509edh7b60d1s22n0gbjt9mj80chha@4ax.com>  F Is there a trick to get the keyboard to work with the NewVMS desktop??  E First, I have the keyboard, mouse and monitor on a 4 port Belkin OMNIeB KVM switch with 3 windows 2003 servers and my PWS 600a running VMS> 7.2-2 (I have also had 7.3-2 and it does the same thing).  The+ Keyboard works GREAT on the WIndows systems,  >   No matter what I do, the "?" on the keyboard will not work    2   No matter what I do the arrow keys will not work  B If I plug the keyboard directly into the PWS600a the question mark" works but the Arrow keys will not.   Anyone have any suggestions?   Thanks in advance.   Gary   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:23:08 -0800R3 From: Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com>e, Subject: Re: Keyboard and the NewVMS desktop. Message-ID: <4054CD3C.1090407@Flying-Disk.com>   G Henry wrote:H > Is there a trick to get the keyboard to work with the NewVMS desktop?? > G > First, I have the keyboard, mouse and monitor on a 4 port Belkin OMNIoD > KVM switch with 3 windows 2003 servers and my PWS 600a running VMS@ > 7.2-2 (I have also had 7.3-2 and it does the same thing).  The- > Keyboard works GREAT on the WIndows systems. > @ >   No matter what I do, the "?" on the keyboard will not work   > 4 >   No matter what I do the arrow keys will not work > D > If I plug the keyboard directly into the PWS600a the question mark$ > works but the Arrow keys will not.  = In my experience, there are only a very few KVM switches thatn? work with VMS.   The two companies I know of that "do it right"r> are Rose and Raritan, and even then, not all of their products? work.   For instance, the Raritan MX48 (and similar units) willM= work with VMS only if you have an APKME module in series withe
 the keyboard..  ; I am told that the problem is because VMS puts the keyboardr< into a different mode than that used by PCs.   Non-VMS-aware$ KVM switches don't handle this well.   Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2004 14:09:27 -0800* From: charitylynn@eudoramail.com (Charity)+ Subject: lib$spawn kills my terminal windowp= Message-ID: <ad3e1f6f.0403101409.5068fddd@posting.google.com>r   Hi all,   F I have a lib$spawn call in my program.  Whenever it executes, there isA an error written to the terminal and then my terminal is killed. 9D Unfortunately, I cannot read the error message fast enough before myF terminal vanishes to see what the problem is.  Does anyone know how toC prevent the terminal from disappearing so that I can read the erroru  message?  I am running under dec windows.  = Any help will be much appreciated.  Also, if this is a stupide" question, my apologies in advance.   Thanks and have a nice day   Charityt   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 19:11:09 -0600l6 From: "bamalupieman" <bamalupieman AT charter DOT net>/ Subject: Re: lib$spawn kills my terminal windowm0 Message-ID: <104vf6egb9htlfa@corp.supernews.com>  7 "Charity" <charitylynn@eudoramail.com> wrote in message 7 news:ad3e1f6f.0403101409.5068fddd@posting.google.com...,	 > Hi all,, > H > I have a lib$spawn call in my program.  Whenever it executes, there isB > an error written to the terminal and then my terminal is killed.F > Unfortunately, I cannot read the error message fast enough before myH > terminal vanishes to see what the problem is.  Does anyone know how toE > prevent the terminal from disappearing so that I can read the errort" > message?  I am running under dec
 > windows. >e? > Any help will be much appreciated.  Also, if this is a stupid $ > question, my apologies in advance. >k > Thanks and have a nice day >-	 > Charity-  E Use SPAWN at the DCL prompt to start a sub-process before running thei$ program causing the process to exit.   that is:   prompt>spawn (new process stuff)  prompt>run problem_program5 (crashes back to upper process, MESSAGES left on CRT)t  
 Good luck, StuartC //name mangled to reduce harvesting... demangling should be obvious    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2004 01:58:37 -0800. From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk (Martin Kirby)/ Subject: Re: lib$spawn kills my terminal window < Message-ID: <224291b.0403110158.14bfd2b4@posting.google.com>  C Stuart's suggestion is the easiest and it has always worked for me.o  E If for some reason it doesn't, and your terminal window is a DECterm,eF then DECterm has a mode to enable printing to file. You'll need to useF the Printer dialog to enable the file and to select "Auto Print Mode".   Martin Kirby   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 12:17:26 GMT@+ From: "Macallan" <ian_macallan@hotmail.com>A/ Subject: Re: lib$spawn kills my terminal windowe2 Message-ID: <qNY3c.35477$Or1.32652@news.chello.at>  8     Define SYS$OUTPUT and SYS$ERROR before starting main     program to files.iC     You will have the output in files to see what error was logged. ;     You can start the program as a BATCH if it does not use 
      teminal.r  A "Charity" <charitylynn@eudoramail.com> a crit dans le message de 7 news:ad3e1f6f.0403101409.5068fddd@posting.google.com...V	 > Hi all,  >CH > I have a lib$spawn call in my program.  Whenever it executes, there isB > an error written to the terminal and then my terminal is killed.F > Unfortunately, I cannot read the error message fast enough before myH > terminal vanishes to see what the problem is.  Does anyone know how toE > prevent the terminal from disappearing so that I can read the errorh" > message?  I am running under dec
 > windows. >l? > Any help will be much appreciated.  Also, if this is a stupidt$ > question, my apologies in advance. >s > Thanks and have a nice day >h	 > Charitya   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2004 08:19:48 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org/ Subject: Re: lib$spawn kills my terminal windowL3 Message-ID: <Na4$XDVnJyWb@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  j In article <ad3e1f6f.0403101409.5068fddd@posting.google.com>, charitylynn@eudoramail.com (Charity) writes:	 > Hi all,2 > H > I have a lib$spawn call in my program.  Whenever it executes, there isC > an error written to the terminal and then my terminal is killed. :F > Unfortunately, I cannot read the error message fast enough before myH > terminal vanishes to see what the problem is.  Does anyone know how toE > prevent the terminal from disappearing so that I can read the errorc" > message?  I am running under dec
 > windows.  ( I'd do a $ SET HOST 0 /LOG=mylogfile.log  < If the LIB$SPAWN is somehow managing to blow up the process,> the window will survive.  If the LIB$SPAWN is somehow managing: to blow up your window, the SET HOST 0 should deflect that? nicely.  And if all else fails, you have a good shot of finding4 something in the log file.  5 You could alternatively do a $ SET TERMINAL /NOHANGUP:  ? If the LIB$SPAWN is managing to blow up your process, this will 7 allow the session to survive after the process is gone.    	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2004 07:32:45 -0800* From: charitylynn@eudoramail.com (Charity)/ Subject: Re: lib$spawn kills my terminal windowd= Message-ID: <ad3e1f6f.0403110732.23b91a4e@posting.google.com>s   Hi!e  E Stuart's suggestion worked!  Much thanks!  I am onto figuring out how 0 to fix the error now that I know what it is  :-)  " Thanks again and have a great day!   Charity    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:33:11 +0100e  From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>/ Subject: Re: lib$spawn kills my terminal window-- Message-ID: <c2q0rl$1s44$1@news.cybercity.dk>-  K I would have thought this was a job for PIPE, sending the output to a namedl file, thus a one liner.   
 Dr. Dweeb.   Macallan wrote:c: >     Define SYS$OUTPUT and SYS$ERROR before starting main >     program to files. E >     You will have the output in files to see what error was logged.m= >     You can start the program as a BATCH if it does not useh >      teminal.  >-C > "Charity" <charitylynn@eudoramail.com> a crit dans le message de-9 > news:ad3e1f6f.0403101409.5068fddd@posting.google.com...a
 >> Hi all, >>F >> I have a lib$spawn call in my program.  Whenever it executes, thereF >> is an error written to the terminal and then my terminal is killed.G >> Unfortunately, I cannot read the error message fast enough before my F >> terminal vanishes to see what the problem is.  Does anyone know howC >> to prevent the terminal from disappearing so that I can read the ) >> error message?  I am running under decr >> windows.n >>@ >> Any help will be much appreciated.  Also, if this is a stupid% >> question, my apologies in advance.  >> >> Thanks and have a nice dayc >>
 >> Charity   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 19:23:41 +0000 (UTC) - From: lewis@spyder.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) / Subject: Re: lib$spawn kills my terminal window:. Message-ID: <c2qebt$27u$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   charitylynn@eudoramail.com (Charity) writes in article <ad3e1f6f.0403101409.5068fddd@posting.google.com> dated 10 Mar 2004 14:09:27 -0800:G >I have a lib$spawn call in my program.  Whenever it executes, there is B >an error written to the terminal and then my terminal is killed. E >Unfortunately, I cannot read the error message fast enough before myeG >terminal vanishes to see what the problem is.  Does anyone know how tosD >prevent the terminal from disappearing so that I can read the error! >message?  I am running under dec 	 >windows.   L The terminal shouldn't be dying.  And how to prevent it dying depends partlyI on what exactly is causing it to die.  In other words, whatever I suggest  may or may not work.  K "SET HOST 0" or "TELNET LOCALHOST" can give you some good insulation.  Then1; if your application process is killed, the window lives on.u  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 23:25:45 +0100, From: "Reinhard Eigner" <antispam@garnix.de>; Subject: Re: Looking for: SWCC ver: 2.5 client software kitp/ Message-ID: <c2lg97$ivt$04$1@news.t-online.com>e  	 Hi there!   4 I know that we have an old software package at work,D but I currently don't know the version of the StorageWorks programs. I will have a look.....e   bye  Reinhard    L "Island Computers USA" <dbturner@islandco.com.nospam> schrieb im Newsbeitrag* news:104rff8mviu759d@news.supernews.com...H > If anyone has a copy of this please let me know on the following email	 > address0 >45 > david@islandco.nospam.com (remove no spam in reply)  > -- t > David B Turner! > Island Computers US Corporationo > 2700 Gregory St., Suite 180i > Savannah GA 31404  > Tel: 912 447 6622u > Fax: 912 201 0402t >A >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 08:29:19 -0500c; From: "Island Computers USA" <dbturner@islandco.com.nospam>n; Subject: Re: Looking for: SWCC ver: 2.5 client software kith0 Message-ID: <104u5o7b2q1eb86@news.supernews.com>   Thanks   Still looking y'all !r   Davidm  7 "Reinhard Eigner" <antispam@garnix.de> wrote in messagee) news:c2lg97$ivt$04$1@news.t-online.com...u > Hi there!I >i6 > I know that we have an old software package at work,F > but I currently don't know the version of the StorageWorks programs. > I will have a look.....  >- > bye-
 > Reinhard >- >-B > "Island Computers USA" <dbturner@islandco.com.nospam> schrieb im Newsbeitrag , > news:104rff8mviu759d@news.supernews.com...J > > If anyone has a copy of this please let me know on the following email > > addressu > >m7 > > david@islandco.nospam.com (remove no spam in reply)l > > -- I > > David B Turner# > > Island Computers US Corporationt > > 2700 Gregory St., Suite 180  > > Savannah GA 31404e > > Tel: 912 447 6622g > > Fax: 912 201 0402h > >p > >  >  >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:54:41 +0800lR From: "Chandran Subramaniam \(IFMY IT External\)" <Chandran.external@infineon.com># Subject: Looping error after search 3 Message-ID: <c2mhk3$8a3$1@newssrv.muc.infineon.com>    Hi,t  K I amvery new to VMS. I need to write batch procedure to look for file with,   xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.M/.DAT if found : search for xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.s before copy the file(s).  N Below is my script. Pls advice me why when after first search it stop. Thanks.   file.txt ------
 PF406823M89.M0 PF408597M31.DAT 
 PF4105405M1.Mm PF322504M12-02.S
 PF406823M89.S:
 PF408597M31.Yn
 PF4105405M1.Se PF322504M12-02.S   $! $ open/read input_file file.txt< $read_line:7( $ read/end_of_file=endit input_file line $e" $ first_Char = f$extract(0,1,line)$ $ file_name  = f$element(0," ",line); $ file_type  = f$edit(f$parse(file_name,,,"TYPE"),"UPCASE")i; $ filename   = f$edit(f$parse(file_name,,,"NAME"),"UPCASE")S $": $ if (file_type .eqs. ".DAT" ) .or. (file_type .eqs. ".M") $ then$ $     search input_file 'filename'.S $     goto read_line $ endifh $d $endit:n $ close input_file   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:34:19 +0100d: From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>' Subject: Re: Looping error after search9) Message-ID: <c2mjto$otb1@doiweb4.b2x.vwg>8  . Chandran Subramaniam (IFMY IT External) wrote:   > Hi,b > M > I amvery new to VMS. I need to write batch procedure to look for file with,t" > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.M/.DAT if found < > search for xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.s before copy the file(s). > P > Below is my script. Pls advice me why when after first search it stop. Thanks. > 
 > file.txt > ------ > PF406823M89.M  > PF408597M31.DATa > PF4105405M1.M  > PF322504M12-02.S > PF406823M89.S  > PF408597M31.Y  > PF4105405M1.S- > PF322504M12-02.S >  > $!! > $ open/read input_file file.txt 
 > $read_line: * > $ read/end_of_file=endit input_file line > $3$ > $ first_Char = f$extract(0,1,line)& > $ file_name  = f$element(0," ",line)= > $ file_type  = f$edit(f$parse(file_name,,,"TYPE"),"UPCASE") = > $ filename   = f$edit(f$parse(file_name,,,"NAME"),"UPCASE")3 > $ < > $ if (file_type .eqs. ".DAT" ) .or. (file_type .eqs. ".M") > $ then& > $     search input_file 'filename'.S > $     goto read_line	 > $ endif  > $5	 > $endit:4 > $ close input_file > U I suppose, SEARCH reads the file to the end and the next READ jumps to the END label.7B Try the SEARCH on FILE.TXT and add an /READ to the OPEN statement.   --    + mit freundlichen Gren | with best regards0  ? Karl Rohwedder          | karl.rohwedder(at)it-ingenieurteam.de0A                          | extern.karl.rohwedder(at)volkswagen.de:   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:05:28 +0100L9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>9' Subject: Re: Looping error after search0' Message-ID: <404EDA58.D852D461@aaa.com>   0 "Chandran Subramaniam (IFMY IT External)" wrote: >  > Hi,0 > M > I amvery new to VMS. I need to write batch procedure to look for file with,-! > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.M/.DAT if founda< > search for xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.s before copy the file(s). > P > Below is my script. Pls advice me why when after first search it stop. Thanks. > 
 > file.txt > ------ > PF406823M89.Mg > PF408597M31.DATd > PF4105405M1.Ma > PF322504M12-02.S > PF406823M89.Sp > PF408597M31.YR > PF4105405M1.Sc > PF322504M12-02.S >  > $!! > $ open/read input_file file.txth
 > $read_line:r* > $ read/end_of_file=endit input_file line > $ $ > $ first_Char = f$extract(0,1,line)& > $ file_name  = f$element(0," ",line)  @ These two lines does nothing (or the result isn't used rather..)  = > $ file_type  = f$edit(f$parse(file_name,,,"TYPE"),"UPCASE")e= > $ filename   = f$edit(f$parse(file_name,,,"NAME"),"UPCASE")7 > $3< > $ if (file_type .eqs. ".DAT" ) .or. (file_type .eqs. ".M") > $ then& > $     search input_file 'filename'.S   What should happen here ?e5 Should you search the file "file.txt" for something ?s8 Or are you looking for the file with name 'filename'.S ?. In that case, look at "help lexical f$search".   Regards 	 Jan-Erik.l   > $     goto read_line	 > $ endif  > $1	 > $endit:d > $ close input_file   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2004 10:29:20 +0100' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)e' Subject: Re: Looping error after search"+ Message-ID: <W$xsM2SQy0HW@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>s  3 In article <c2mhk3$8a3$1@newssrv.muc.infineon.com>,nT "Chandran Subramaniam \(IFMY IT External\)" <Chandran.external@infineon.com> writes:M > I amvery new to VMS. I need to write batch procedure to look for file with,o" > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.M/.DAT if found < > search for xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.s before copy the file(s).P > Below is my script. Pls advice me why when after first search it stop. Thanks.
 > file.txt > ------ > PF406823M89.M2 > PF408597M31.DATr > PF4105405M1.Ma > PF322504M12-02.S > PF406823M89.SI > PF408597M31.Y( > PF4105405M1.SL > PF322504M12-02.S >  > $!! > $ open/read input_file file.txtD
 > $read_line:U* > $ read/end_of_file=endit input_file line > $4$ > $ first_Char = f$extract(0,1,line)& > $ file_name  = f$element(0," ",line)= > $ file_type  = f$edit(f$parse(file_name,,,"TYPE"),"UPCASE")d= > $ filename   = f$edit(f$parse(file_name,,,"NAME"),"UPCASE")= > $ < > $ if (file_type .eqs. ".DAT" ) .or. (file_type .eqs. ".M") > $ then& > $     search input_file 'filename'.S > $     goto read_line	 > $ endif  > $c	 > $endit:  > $ close input_file  4 I don't know why You are calling it "looping error",8 what happens is: the loop ends after it finds the first ; file PF406823M89.M, because You search the (DCL-) open fileAC input_link, so the file is positioned at the end when the next readE is executed.   The error is in line$ $     search input_file 'filename'.S Which should be " $     search file.txt 'filename'.S      -- G>    Joseph "Sepp" Huber, Muenchen   http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 04:44:51 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>' Subject: Re: Looping error after searchR) Message-ID: <404EE359.120051F2@istop.com>)  0 "Chandran Subramaniam (IFMY IT External)" wrote:! > $ open/read input_file file.txto ...5& > $     search input_file 'filename'.S  J input_file is a logical name pointing to a current file access block which% contains current record position etc.e  L I assume that what happens is that the search command reads from the alreadyN opened file at the current record position until it reaches end of file.  Then it goes back to the loop.d  N But because search has "consumed" all remaining records, the next READ gets an end of file.  * You should SEARCH file.txt 'filename'.S     N This way, the search command will open its own independnat channel to the file( and not mess with that used by your loop   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2004 06:14:18 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)' Subject: Re: Looping error after searchS= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0403100614.3940e323@posting.google.com>$   "Chandran Subramaniam \(IFMY IT External\)" <Chandran.external@infineon.com> wrote in message news:<c2mhk3$8a3$1@newssrv.muc.infineon.com>...n > Hi,G > M > I amvery new to VMS. I need to write batch procedure to look for file with,1" > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.M/.DAT if found < > search for xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.s before copy the file(s). > P > Below is my script. Pls advice me why when after first search it stop. Thanks. > 
 > file.txt > ------ > PF406823M89.MM > PF408597M31.DATe" [...some text and code omitted...]< > $ if (file_type .eqs. ".DAT" ) .or. (file_type .eqs. ".M") > $ then& > $     search input_file 'filename'.S > $     goto read_line	 > $ endif5 > $l	 > $endit:V > $ close input_file    . Welcome to VMS!: The world's best kept secret!   Re your code:   E It stops because if it doesn't find .DAT or .M, the code between THENYF and ENDIF is not executed. So you never execute "goto read_line". MoveF the "goto read_line" to after the ENDIF block and before "$endit:" and it should work fine.  C Actually, it's not clear what you want to do. Do you want to search 5 all .S files with the right names, or just the first?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:31:48 -0500)( From: "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail.com>' Subject: Re: Looping error after searchV* Message-ID: <404f3513@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  H As the other replies indicate, by using the logical name in the 'search'K command you tell it to keep on reading where the DCL script left of. SearchS= reads to the end, and the script continues at that end: done.H  ! So you should use something like:T   $input_filename = "file.txt"' $ open/read input_file '$input_filename.  :) $     search 'input_filename 'filename'.S  :t  > You may also want to use "SYNTAX_ONLY" for this F$PARSE usage.  / Finally, for grins, here is the script in perl:m  K #read input, chop carriage return, create or increment hash array entry for  thelJ # uppercased name. <> ,chop, and uc byt default all operate on variable $_  ' while (<>) { chop; $filenames{uc()}++ }n  D #read back all the (sorted) key names created in the hash into handy variable $_ # foreach $_ (sort keys %filenames) {)  K   #look for, and remember in $1, some number of characters followed by a .M. or .DAT'   if (/(.+)\.(M|DAT)/) {     $searchname = $1 . ".S";     $x=$filenames{$searchname};a
     if ($x) {	+       print "$searchname found $x times\n";0       } else {%       print "$searchname NOT found\n"	       }M     }	   }I   Enjoy, Hein.	    J "Chandran Subramaniam (IFMY IT External)" <Chandran.external@infineon.com>> wrote in message news:c2mhk3$8a3$1@newssrv.muc.infineon.com... > Hi,a > G > I amvery new to VMS. I need to write batch procedure to look for file  with,S! > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.M/.DAT if found < > search for xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.s before copy the file(s). >nH > Below is my script. Pls advice me why when after first search it stop. Thanks.  >f
 > file.txt > ------ > PF406823M89.M= > PF408597M31.DATM > PF4105405M1.Me > PF322504M12-02.S > PF406823M89.SD > PF408597M31.Y  > PF4105405M1.S	 > PF322504M12-02.S >P > $!! > $ open/read input_file file.txtI
 > $read_line:C* > $ read/end_of_file=endit input_file line > $N$ > $ first_Char = f$extract(0,1,line)& > $ file_name  = f$element(0," ",line)= > $ file_type  = f$edit(f$parse(file_name,,,"TYPE"),"UPCASE")C= > $ filename   = f$edit(f$parse(file_name,,,"NAME"),"UPCASE")a > $p< > $ if (file_type .eqs. ".DAT" ) .or. (file_type .eqs. ".M") > $ then& > $     search input_file 'filename'.S > $     goto read_line	 > $ endif0 > $ 	 > $endit:T > $ close input_file >a   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 21:49:57 GMTF> From: Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com>' Subject: Re: Looping error after search-A Message-ID: <9s45c.1786$FI4.600847498@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>F  . Chandran Subramaniam (IFMY IT External) wrote:   > Hi,F > M > I amvery new to VMS. I need to write batch procedure to look for file with,," > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.M/.DAT if found < > search for xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.s before copy the file(s). > P > Below is my script. Pls advice me why when after first search it stop. Thanks. > 
 > file.txt > ------ > PF406823M89.M. > PF408597M31.DATI > PF4105405M1.Ma > PF322504M12-02.S > PF406823M89.SN > PF408597M31.Y. > PF4105405M1.Se > PF322504M12-02.S >  > $!! > $ open/read input_file file.txtV
 > $read_line:1* > $ read/end_of_file=endit input_file line > $ $ > $ first_Char = f$extract(0,1,line)& > $ file_name  = f$element(0," ",line)= > $ file_type  = f$edit(f$parse(file_name,,,"TYPE"),"UPCASE")e= > $ filename   = f$edit(f$parse(file_name,,,"NAME"),"UPCASE")A > $o< > $ if (file_type .eqs. ".DAT" ) .or. (file_type .eqs. ".M") > $ then& > $     search input_file 'filename'.S > $!!!!     goto read_line	 > $ endif-    $ GOTO READ_LINE- > $-	 > $endit:  > $ close input_file >    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2004 11:59:16 -0800' From: terwong@rogers.com (Terence Wong) / Subject: mail program example for reading mails = Message-ID: <5ff20ebd.0403151159.3fb85f89@posting.google.com>   	 Hi group,C  E I could not find program examples from VMS MAIL UTILITY documentation  on "READING MAIL".  3 Could anyone show me this and prefer in C language.S   Thanks,  Terence.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:44:57 +0100I" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>Y Subject: Microsoft Launches Beta for 64-Bit =?windows-1252?Q?Windows=99_?= =?windows-1252 2 Message-ID: <40521339$0$294$636a15ce@news.free.fr>  / ...and what about a dual OS PC: Windaube/VMS???8  J [from http://www.amd.com/us-en/Weblets/0,,7832_10306,00.html?redir=CPMS03]  = Microsoft Windows Server 2003 and the AMD Opteron Processor   M On January 6, 2004, Microsoft made broadly available the beta version of its %1 Windows Server 2003 for 64-Bit Extended Systems.E    N Windows Server 2003 for 64-Bit Extended Systems provides high performance for Q both 32-bit and 64-bit applications on AMD Opteron processor-based systems. The -O underlying architecture is based on 64-bit extensions to the industry-standard  Q x86 instruction set, allowing today's 32-bit applications to run natively on AMD S Opteron processors.   M At the same time, new 64-bit applications are executed in 64-bit mode, which rQ processes more data per clock cycle, allows greater access to memory, and speeds lO numeric calculations. The end result is a platform that leverages the existing  N wealth of 32-bit applications while also providing a smooth migration path to  64-bit computing.n  P Windows Server 2003 for 64-Bit Extended Systems is currently under development, Q with delivery scheduled for the second half of 2004. Pre-release versions of the -J operating system are available for evaluation from the Microsoft web site.     ---a  	 Confused.o   D. -- t2 VAXUS - Your new helpful friend in the DEC Family!2 EHQ: 19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France/       Phone: +336 7983 6418 Fax: +335 6154 1928u$                 http://www.vaxus.org   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:02:15 GMTm" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGY Subject: Re: Microsoft Launches Beta for 64-Bit =?windows-1252?Q?Windows=99_?= =?windows-i0 Message-ID: <00A2EBDC.3F53F3E0@SendSpamHere.ORG>  W In article <40521339$0$294$636a15ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:o1 >....and what about a dual OS PC: Windaube/VMS???o >oK >[from http://www.amd.com/us-en/Weblets/0,,7832_10306,00.html?redir=CPMS03]r >d> >Microsoft Windows Server 2003 and the AMD Opteron Processor >eN >On January 6, 2004, Microsoft made broadly available the beta version of its 2 >Windows Server 2003 for 64-Bit Extended Systems.    < Great, now Weendoze users can reboot 2**32 times more often.   --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.- --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMg            85   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" i   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 12:15:52 +01004" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> Subject: Movies cut on VMS2 Message-ID: <4052ed68$0$280$626a14ce@news.free.fr>  O I'm currently working on a VMS presentation and I would like to be able to cut eR my Macintosh OS X 10.3 iMovie3 project on a PC with Lostdows Movie Maker 5.1 (XP).  N I exported the Mac movie under mpeg4 format then transferred it to the PC but  WMM does not know that format.  * Did anyone succeed to do what I wish, pls?   Thanks,r   D. -- o2 VAXUS - Your new helpful friend in the DEC Family!2 EHQ: 19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France/       Phone: +336 7983 6418 Fax: +335 6154 1928a$                 http://www.vaxus.org   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 11:32:37 GMT0" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Movies cut on VMS0 Message-ID: <00A2EC4D.7432EC38@SendSpamHere.ORG>  W In article <4052ed68$0$280$626a14ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:iP >I'm currently working on a VMS presentation and I would like to be able to cut S >my Macintosh OS X 10.3 iMovie3 project on a PC with Lostdows Movie Maker 5.1 (XP).   M Why?  If you have OS X 10.3 and iMovie I assume you also have the iLiFe suitesL with iDVD?  Is it that you have no DVD burner?  They're cheap.  Buy one for   the Mac and burn your DVD there.   --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  -- eK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe            w5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" r   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Mar 2004 05:15:32 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.comn Subject: Re: Movies cut on VMS, Message-ID: <c362hk011l4@enews2.newsguy.com>   VAXman- wrote:Y > In article <4052ed68$0$280$626a14ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:FR > >I'm currently working on a VMS presentation and I would like to be able to cut U > >my Macintosh OS X 10.3 iMovie3 project on a PC with Lostdows Movie Maker 5.1 (XP).0  O > Why?  If you have OS X 10.3 and iMovie I assume you also have the iLiFe suiteiN > with iDVD?  Is it that you have no DVD burner?  They're cheap.  Buy one for " > the Mac and burn your DVD there.  I But if he needs to use an external burner, then he would need to have DVDrK Studio Pro, as iDVD only supports "SuperDrives".  For that matter, 10.3 andtC iMovie 3 don't necessarily mean the existance of iDVD on a system. a   		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 02:29:32 -0500   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>; Subject: Re: Multiple ASTs for a Lock in a single process ?t6 Message-ID: <1040312021406.15727C-100000@Ives.egh.com>  # On Mon, 8 Mar 2004, JF Mezei wrote:   L > Ok, I have ALL-IN-1 do LIB$FDIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL against a shareable image o= f K > mine, then executes a routine inside that image. 99% of the time is spent L > inside my routine (for instance, when waiting for calls from the web serv= er). >=20L > ALL-IN-1 takes a lock called OA$_SHUTDOWN with a blocking AST. (see detai= ls of A > that lock at bottom of this post). Its only "Flag" is "SYSTEM".i >=20L > I have tested this yesterday. When the shutdown comes into effect, a user=  A1fL > process doesn't exit until the user enters the next command. So it would = seemL > that the blocking AST only sets a flag. There is a DCL procedure that als= o.L > runs which will do a rather blunt STOP/ID on any process still running Al= lin1H > after 2 minutes (does a show dev/files/nosys and then searches for all6 > processes with a channel to a specific allin1 file). >=20L > Back to my problem: Is there a way for my routine to also be notified whe= n thedL > system manager notifies processes of the A1 shutdown ? Can one take the s= amee" > lock twice in the same process ?  F I *think* you can do this no problems.  Each blocking AST will trigger8 when the system manager attempts to grab the resource...  C I was working on an application where I was worried about preciselydF this issue a couple of years ago, then I realized that if you couldn'tC do this, then a program that opened a file on more than one channelu: couldn't lock records against itself, if this didn't work!  D From=20the SDA output, it looks like each A1 process grabs a CR lockG on the resource, and then the shutdown procedure queues an incompatible,D lock (probably EX?) that then triggers the blocking AST's in all the@ A1 processes.  This was the model I was using for controlling anC application, and it worked.  I was writing a package of file-accesso? routines, and had no way to control how many different files an C application using them would open, etc.  I was worried that the 2ndhD "stream" would grab locks belonging to the 1st one, etc., but it all
 worked right.w  A I would write some simple test programs to make sure I understoodnA all the issues, especially since the ASTs operate asynchronously,r@ so you have to be sure they only use local memory (on the stack)2 or have some way of tracking what memory they own.  D But it should all just work...  Unless I've completely misunderstoodB what's going on...  It's late at night and I'm extremely tired and caffeine-deprived!      L > Or would the only way be to have my routine cancel the lock taken by All-= IN-1L > and reissue it with the blocking AST pointing to my own code (which would=  then<H > call the AST that had been specified by A1 after doing my own stuff) ?    I don't think this is necessary.  L > My concern is that when the shutdown is done during iddle time, no comman= dsL > would be sent by my routine to ALL-In-1, so ALL-In-1 woudln't exit by its= elfeL > and thus be unceremoniously killed. What I want is to have DCL code look = atG > the exit status and determine is it is just a temporary shutdown or arI > requested shutdwon (with temprary shutdown, the DCL could wait a couplee+ > minutes and then try to restart the app).d >=20 >=20, > Here is what SDA tells me about the lock : >=209 > Process index: 0057   Name: A1   Extended PID: 20400557e9 > -------------------------------------------------------d > Lock data: >=20: > Lock id:  0E00077C   PID:     000A0057   Flags:   SYSTEM( > Par. id:  00000000   SUBLCKs:        0( > LKB:      80C5A000   BLKAST:  000B260A > PRIORTY:      0000 >=20( > Granted at      CR   00000000-FFFFFFFF >=207 > Resource:      54554853 5F24414F    OA$_SHUT  Status:t. >  Length   13   0000004E 574F445F    _DOWN.... >  User mode     00000000 00000000    ......... >  System        00000000 00000000    ........ >=20 > Local copy >=20 >=20   --=20. John Santosl Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 23:50:30 GMTt( From: "~ Darrell  Larose ~" <me@here.eh>. Subject: Re: n o b o d y @ n o b o d y . o r gK Message-ID: <a7N4c.53976$GFc1.1696@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>a  2 "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message2 news:27f4e3989bc411de3d93e479ec3a2bd9@dizum.com... > FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
 >    About
 > JF MEZEI >t6 Damn, we all hoped you gave up on your lusting over JF   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Mar 2004 00:26:50 GMT. From: jealousxmp@aol.commonplace (jealous xmp). Subject: Re: n o b o d y @ n o b o d y . o r g: Message-ID: <20040313192650.15000.00001595@mb-m18.aol.com>   >> FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONSa >>    About. >> JF MEZEIa >>7 >Damn, we all hoped you gave up on your lusting over JF- >-    How can I get my very own troll?   Michael-   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:11:43 GMTs& From: "Soon_To_Fly" <return@news.spam>. Subject: Re: n o b o d y @ n o b o d y . o r gJ Message-ID: <3v%4c.1806$lnp1.1626@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  I If this guy is doing this "dogging after JF" manually, the effort must benL very time consuming. I mean, this guy dogs JF where ever he goes, this can'tH be done manually, can it? The effort involved to do this? He must have aH program or web thingy designed to chase JF. Still, what a waste of time.    2 "~ Darrell Larose ~" <me@here.eh> wrote in messageE news:a7N4c.53976$GFc1.1696@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com.... > 4 > "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message4 > news:27f4e3989bc411de3d93e479ec3a2bd9@dizum.com... > > FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS > >    About > > JF MEZEI > >u8 > Damn, we all hoped you gave up on your lusting over JF >1 >f >b   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 23:40:25 +0100i, From: Martin Trnsten <omartint@hotmail.com>. Subject: Re: n o b o d y @ n o b o d y . o r g8 Message-ID: <7fm9509mqgvbf30qqp0ho59kn1tv21gv30@4ax.com>  N Captain's log. On StarDate Sat, 13 Mar 2004 17:50:02 +0100 (CET) received commD from Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> on channel comp.sys.psion.misc:  8 : 16.  Where else does he hang out, I want to avoid him! : Q : His main haunt on usenet is comp.os.vms, a newsgroup dedicated to some ancient,sL : arcane, obsolete piece of vax crapware that nobody has taken seriously forO : decades.  JF hangs out there with other misfits and social dropouts who sharenL : his psychological traumas, crying for the good old vax days of yore.  It's : really pathetic! : # : 17.  Where else does he hang out?s : K : can.internet.highspeed, alt.cellular.fido, and a few other geeky computerpI : groups.  For a while after the Shuttle Columbia disaster he invaded the,P : sci.space groups, sci.space.shuttle in particular, and trolled it relentlesslyR : with the anti-American, conspiracy theory crap he's so famous for.  But they ranP : him off that group and he had to go crawling back to comp.os.vms with his tail' : between his legs, licking his wounds.p : R : 18.  It sounds like comp.os.vms is the only group he respects and doesn't troll. : Q : Pretty much.  For a megatroll like JF it's impossible not to troll, so he slipseR : in troll bait every now and then, but by and large he respects comp.os.vms, and,N : more importantly, he tries to hide his trolling activities from them so they, : won't find out what a major netkook he is.  L Besides comp.os.vms I have only seen him in comp.sys.psion.misc, but in thatL group his also "quite" normal (a lot of people on Usenet can be arrogant andK repetitive). Perhaps his very different in the groups you have seen him in?o  F The only strange things I have seen is that he has many weird and wildF conspiracy theories about Psion (especially about their USA market andO marketing, but also a lot about the motives behind the Psion Series 5), which I M have never seen anyone else come up with (some people with inside informationaO from Psion has denounced them strongly, even after they quit working for them).i  O To give JF credit (besides the amusement value of his many different conspiracydO posting I have seen in comp.sys.psion.* over the years) I must say that he alsobN can come up with a lot of good comments and thinking, especially regarding theH technical and practical differences between Series 3 and Series 5 (and I# actually agree with a lot of them).e  N Regarding his alleged hate for USA and americans (I haven't seen so much aboutN it, and I suspect that this type of "kook FAQ" as usual is quite exaggerated),M but that seems be quite the norm (unfortunately) by Canadians, especially theaJ french speaking part, and is very likely to be just a very traditional andF common complex for being less worth than the more successful neighbor.  O That said I think this "FAQ" was quite funny and interesting to read (even if IcF seriously don't believe even half of it)  -- call me a bad person! :-)  
 Best regards,d   martin trnstens   -- . http://82.182.73.126/c   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2004 06:32:13 -0800" From: hharber@smcwv.com (H Harber) Subject: NFS service locking up = Message-ID: <dcead079.0403110632.34c754dc@posting.google.com>s  
 Greetings,D We are exporting several VMS directories out to PC's and AIX boxes. B After approximately 1-2 months we start losing these connections. @ Stopping and restarting the NFS server via the TCPIP$CONFIG menuF doesn't seem to help. If I do a SHOW SERVICES from the TCPIP prompt itC shows NFS disabled.  I can re-enable it here but it falls off againg> after a few seconds.  The only thing that seems to get the NFSF connections working again is to re-boot the whole server.  Has anybodyF else experienced anything like this?  Any advice would be appreciated. Compaq DS10L AlphaServer OpenVms v7.3-1
 TCPIP v5.3   Thanks,8 Heath Harber Special Metals Corp. Huntington Wv, 25705   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2004 12:06:07 -0800/ From: kenneth.randell@verizon.net (Ken Randell)t# Subject: Re: NFS service locking upI= Message-ID: <79de9693.0403111206.6013737f@posting.google.com>a  g hharber@smcwv.com (H Harber) wrote in message news:<dcead079.0403110632.34c754dc@posting.google.com>...h > Greetings,F > We are exporting several VMS directories out to PC's and AIX boxes. D > After approximately 1-2 months we start losing these connections. B > Stopping and restarting the NFS server via the TCPIP$CONFIG menuH > doesn't seem to help. If I do a SHOW SERVICES from the TCPIP prompt itE > shows NFS disabled.  I can re-enable it here but it falls off again @ > after a few seconds.  The only thing that seems to get the NFSH > connections working again is to re-boot the whole server.  Has anybodyH > else experienced anything like this?  Any advice would be appreciated. > Compaq DS10L AlphaServer > OpenVms v7.3-1 > TCPIP v5.3 > 	 > Thanks,n > Heath Harber > Special Metals Corp. > Huntington Wv, 25705  F In my testing of NFS the first 5.3 version to work properly was ECO2. < 5.3 and 5.3 ECO 1 were broken; to wit -- files & directoriesD disappearing for some random interval then magically re-appearing atD my client(s) (Debian Linux 2.2 if that matters), NFS server hanging, etc.  D If you read the release notes for any of the TCP/IP 5.3 ECOs, you'llF see numerous fixes.  If you are really running TCP/IP 5.3 I'd upgrade.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Mar 2004 05:16:36 -0800" From: hharber@smcwv.com (H Harber)# Subject: Re: NFS service locking up-= Message-ID: <dcead079.0403120516.1c283e60@posting.google.com>r  H > In my testing of NFS the first 5.3 version to work properly was ECO2. > > 5.3 and 5.3 ECO 1 were broken; to wit -- files & directoriesF > disappearing for some random interval then magically re-appearing atF > my client(s) (Debian Linux 2.2 if that matters), NFS server hanging, > etc. > F > If you read the release notes for any of the TCP/IP 5.3 ECOs, you'llH > see numerous fixes.  If you are really running TCP/IP 5.3 I'd upgrade.  F Yes, I am going to upgrade to the latest version.  I talked to HP thisA morning and the recommended ECO 4 for TCPIP v5.3. Thanks for yourt help.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 21:06:53 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com># Subject: Nous opterons pour Opterone2 Message-ID: <4052185f$0$292$636a15ce@news.free.fr>  ( French for "we'll choose Opteron, then."  L Looks like, from the previous posts, the Future of VAX/VMS Users may be the  following one:   o  migrate towards HP Itaniumo o  migrate towards HP Athlon! o  migrate towards HP Opteron (?)  o  migrate towards Alpha6 o  migrate towards Software Resources Int'l CHARON-VAX6 o  migrate towards Emulators International's FutureVAX6 o  replatforming towards another platform (IBM ou SUN) o  do nothing (not recommended)L   D. --  2 VAXUS - Your new helpful friend in the DEC Family!2 EHQ: 19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France/       Phone: +336 7983 6418 Fax: +335 6154 1928,$                 http://www.vaxus.org   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:18:46 GMTa9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>m' Subject: Re: Nous opterons pour Opteronu. Message-ID: <qPj5c.853$_v.82@news.cpqcorp.net>  / "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> wrote in messagel, news:4052185f$0$292$636a15ce@news.free.fr...* > French for "we'll choose Opteron, then." >uI > Looks like, from the previous posts, the Future of VAX/VMS Users may be  then > following one: >9 > o  migrate towards HP Itaniumt > o  migrate towards HP Athlon# > o  migrate towards HP Opteron (?)0 > o  migrate towards Alpha8 > o  migrate towards Software Resources Int'l CHARON-VAX8 > o  migrate towards Emulators International's FutureVAX8 > o  replatforming towards another platform (IBM ou SUN)! > o  do nothing (not recommended)  >i   1  migrate towards HP Itanium> 2  migrate towards Alpha
 3  do nothingn6 4  migrate towards Software Resources Int'l CHARON-VAX  F These are all valid paths, in the order of preference and depending onK needs.  If you need large scale performance now - pick #2.  If you can live L with 1-4 processors for a little while, pick #1 as the long term future.  IfL you have an unchanging legacy software package that needs VAX and an old VMS/ version - #3 is OK (but the HW is aging) or #4.e   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2004 12:14:45 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)s' Subject: Re: Nous opterons pour OpteronG3 Message-ID: <hl8$4yUXi68N@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  W In article <4052185f$0$292$636a15ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:-  ! > o  do nothing (not recommended)   F    Gee.  Works for us.  Something you're selling that's not compatable
    with this?>   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2004 07:49:19 -0800- From: soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume)t; Subject: OpenVMS C/C++ compilers on ALpha and I64 Questions = Message-ID: <f401eb7f.0403110749.455efb3c@posting.google.com>x   All,  6 Based the following information I have some questions:  C  "...there is exactly one fully conforming implementation of C99 on0A the planet...it's by Edison Design Group." [CUJ, March 2004, Herb0 Sutter, pg. 52]5  C "We are fortunate that the [C++] compiler [for OpenVMS on Alpha] iseC one of the best [written] standards compliance, mostly due to theireA using the Edison Design Group front-end parser.  The next version"@ [will] use the latest and greatest EDG parser, which is about as compliant as you can get."6 [Google, comp.os.vms, February 8, 2004, Joshua Lehrer]  D "[For OpenVMS on I64,] the C++ compiler is an Intel compiler.  The CD compiler at present is a GEM-based compiler.  Our goal is to provide) an Intel-based C compiler in the future."-2 [Google, comp.os.vms, March 10, 2004, John Reagan]  ? "It is not expected that [the GEM] backend will move forward as:0 enhancements are made to the IA64 architecture."1 [Google, comp.os.vms, March 10, 2004, Rob Brooks]Y    C 1.  Do the OpenVMS for Alpha C and C++ compilers indeed use the EDGe front-end parsers?  B 2.  Does the Intel OpenVMS on I64 C++ compiler use the EDG parser?  C 3.  Are there any language compliance differences between the Alphai and I64 C++ compilers?  = 4.  Does the HP OpenVMS on I64 C compiler use the EDG parser?   E 5.  Since the "goal" is to eventually use the Intel C compiler on theS  I64, does it use the EDG parser?  ? 6.  Until the HP OpenVMS on I64 C compiler is replaced by Inteln; compiler is the only real issue about code optimization fort performance?  C 7.  Are there any language compliance differences between the AlphaeE and I64 C compilers?  Will there be any expected differences when theC/ I64 compiler is replaced by the Intel compiler?,   TIA"   JMOD   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:16:53 -0500 + From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@intel.com>S? Subject: Re: OpenVMS C/C++ compilers on ALpha and I64 Questions 8 Message-ID: <24415056td6n2tbdag3gq2hi4vqmqtapsq@4ax.com>  M On 11 Mar 2004 07:49:19 -0800, soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume) wrote:a  3 Not really my area, but I can answer some of these:h  D >1.  Do the OpenVMS for Alpha C and C++ compilers indeed use the EDG >front-end parsers?m   C++ does, I don't think C does.t  C >2.  Does the Intel OpenVMS on I64 C++ compiler use the EDG parser?    Yes.  H As far as compatibility, etc., someone else will have to respond.  I'm a Fortran guy...     Steve Lionel Software Products Division Intel Corporation.
 Nashua, NH  8 User communities for Intel Software Development Products"   http://softwareforums.intel.com/ Intel Fortran Supporth7   http://developer.intel.com/software/products/support/D   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 17:10:32 GMT.& From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>? Subject: Re: OpenVMS C/C++ compilers on ALpha and I64 Questions 0 Message-ID: <c414c.722$DP3.307@news.cpqcorp.net>   Nom de Plume wrote:4   >  > E > 1.  Do the OpenVMS for Alpha C and C++ compilers indeed use the EDGS > front-end parsers? > D > 2.  Does the Intel OpenVMS on I64 C++ compiler use the EDG parser? > E > 3.  Are there any language compliance differences between the Alphae > and I64 C++ compilers? > ? > 4.  Does the HP OpenVMS on I64 C compiler use the EDG parser?i > G > 5.  Since the "goal" is to eventually use the Intel C compiler on thee" > I64, does it use the EDG parser? > A > 6.  Until the HP OpenVMS on I64 C compiler is replaced by IntelM= > compiler is the only real issue about code optimization foro > performance? > E > 7.  Are there any language compliance differences between the AlphaiG > and I64 C compilers?  Will there be any expected differences when thei1 > I64 compiler is replaced by the Intel compiler?o >  > TIAe >  > JMOD  @ Let me get you an accurate answer for these excellent questions.   --   John Reaganr/ HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leadero Hewlett-Packard Company:   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:14:39 GMTs/ From: "Duane Smith" <duane.smith@hp-nospam.com>.? Subject: Re: OpenVMS C/C++ compilers on ALpha and I64 Questionse0 Message-ID: <3F44c.748$344.502@news.cpqcorp.net>   >e  D > 1. Do the OpenVMS for Alpha C and C++ compilers indeed use the EDG   > front-end parsers?   >x  L Digital C++ compilers moved to the EDG front end in 1998 with the release ofG the 6.0 compilers for OpenVMS Alpha, Tru64 UNIX, and Linux Alpha. The C A compilers for these platforms are not based on the EDG front end.-      C > 2. Does the Intel OpenVMS on I64 C++ compiler use the EDG parser?2   >   L First, let's be clear that Intel does not have an OpenVMS product and has noI plans to have an OpenVMS product. The HP C++ group (former Digital/CompaqeJ group) is creating on OpenVMS I64 C++ product based on the Intel Linux IPFJ compiler technology. This is fully an HP product based on Intel technologyG as a starting point. Not that this is a huge difference, but it is very)H important to make the distinction. Yes, it is based on the EDG front-end technology.       D > 3. Are there any language compliance differences between the Alpha   > and I64 C++ compilers?   >i  G The HP team has been working on the OpenVMS I64 C++ compiler to make it J compatible with the OpenVMS Alpha C++ compiler. The goal is "recompile andB go". We will have a single set of user documentation to cover bothH platforms. There will be an update to the OpenVMS Alpha product to bringI that up to a newer version of EDG and to add features which were added in-F the OpenVMS I64 development. This update will happen after the initialG OpenVMS I64 release. The Alpha product will continue to be based on GEML technology.a      > > 4. Does the HP OpenVMS on I64 C compiler use the EDG parser?   >m  I The HP C compiler for OpenVMS I64 and OpenVMS Alpha are based on the same K front end and that front end is not EDG. The engineering team is evaluating F whether to move to a single C and C++ compiler based on EDG capable ofL compiling both languages. It was inconceivable that this approach could haveB been initially taken on OpenVMS I64 since recompile and go was notK negotiable. The addition of C support in the C++ compiler may be considereds in the future.      F > 5. Since the "goal" is to eventually use the Intel C compiler on the  " > I64, does it use the EDG parser?   >m  L The Intel compiler for Linux IPF is based on EDG and supports both the C and C++ languages.      @ > 6. Until the HP OpenVMS on I64 C compiler is replaced by Intel  = > compiler is the only real issue about code optimization fori   > performance?   >   H The initial product plans assumed that the Intel compiler would generateK better performing code over time.  That does not suggest that the initial CeE compiler would have inferior performance to the Intel compiler.  This J strategy was based on the Compaq/Intel Alpha/IPF deal struck in June 2001.* We continue to evaluate our options at HP.      D > 7. Are there any language compliance differences between the Alpha  F > and I64 C compilers? Will there be any expected differences when the  1 > I64 compiler is replaced by the Intel compiler?    >o  J While HP cannot guarantee that all OpenVMS Alpha sources written in C willJ build on OpenVMS I64, it is our goal that the capabilities of the compilerJ are not seen as an impetiment to getting your code running on OpenVMS I64.J I believe you will be pleasantly surprised how well we've succeeded in theI recompile-and-go goal.  There are people who have asked that we deal witheJ conditional code of the form #ifdef __ALPHA to help them port from OpenVMSK Alpha to OpenVMS I64.  It is not our goal to define the ALPHA macros on thelH I64 platform.  This is a new architecture and applications whose sourcesC have architecture specific code will need to investigate that code.-  C I hope this reply helps.  In summary, this is an HP set of productsnJ developed by the same set of engineers who delivered the Digital C and C++I products which were later rebranded as Compaq C and C++ products.  We arehE moving our product documentation to cover  both the OpenVMS Alpha andwJ OpenVMS I64 products and will be updating the OpenVMS Alpha products after$ the release of OpenVMS I64 products.   Duane Smithn   Engineering Managern  E HP C and C++ Compilers for OpenVMS I64, OpenVMS Alpha, and Tru64 UNIXr   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 20:37:10 -0500% From: "DAVID TURNER" <DAVID@HPAQ.NET>,P Subject: Re: OpenVMS virus proof while other disks get zapped by latest viruses!0 Message-ID: <104ssaa25l537f6@news.supernews.com>  I Well... I agree with Bob.. (Message to Bob - Buy more Alpha PWS's !!!!!!)l   DT   -- ; Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St Suite 180  Savannah GA 31404n Tel: 912 4476622 Fax: 912 201 0402o, Email (SPAMproofed) dbturner@islandco.nospam (replace nospam with .com)    5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message(7 news:d7791aa1.0403061837.35daa4b8@posting.google.com...i5 > bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote in messagee6 news:<c2d0rh$1rv0t1$3@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>... > >eB > > Uhhhh....  Bob just said he runs "powerterm for vt emulation".	 Powerterm L > > is a Windows program, not a VMS program. He may not see it, recognize itL > > or be willing to admit it, but he is running Windows, just like everyoneK > > else.  He doesn't have VMS to the desktop and his employers systems arex( > > just as vulnerable as anyone else's. > >x > > bill > ? > and check out this vt flat panel terminal bill ... I have one  > on order to test ... > / > http://www.midcomdata.com/terminal/planar.htmF   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:51:33 +0100F" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>" Subject: Opteron Competitive Table2 Message-ID: <405214c6$0$288$636a15ce@news.free.fr>  0 http://www.amdboard.com/opteron_competition.html   ---    Is Opteron the future of VMS?)   D. -- n2 VAXUS - Your new helpful friend in the DEC Family!2 EHQ: 19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France/       Phone: +336 7983 6418 Fax: +335 6154 1928"$                 http://www.vaxus.org   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 21:23:26 GMTl& From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>& Subject: Re: Opteron Competitive Table0 Message-ID: <iTp4c.818$JY4.363@news.cpqcorp.net>  # Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote: 2 > http://www.amdboard.com/opteron_competition.html  @ FWIW, they are a bit out of date on Itanium2 cache sizes in thatE chart.  The ways of SMP is technically correct only in the context of( the CEC they selected.  C On the I/O figures, are there indeed Opteron systems out there withtF I/O hanging off of each CPU?  It has been a while since I checked, butC I seem to recall the block diagrams/pictures of the "up-to-two" CPUcD systems showing I/O off of one CPU, and the "up-to-four" CPU systems showing I/O off of two CPUs.  
 rick jones -- 7G oxymoron n, Hummer H2 with California Save Our Coasts and Oceans plates5F these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...p   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:08:23 +0000 (UTC)e- From: lewis@spyder.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)(( Subject: OT: Athlon 64 vs Opteron: diff?. Message-ID: <c2suan$btb$2@newslocal.mitre.org>  | Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes in article <4051f18c$0$312$636a15ce@news.free.fr> dated Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:21:16 +0100:J >Could someone please share some light on the differences between the AMD & >Athlon-64 and the Opteron processors?  K If you're looking for a forum where this question is topical, you could trym  Yahoo's AMD stock message board.  - http://messages.yahoo.com/?action=q&board=AMDf  B The board is for following AMD as a company, but there are lots ofE techies there who are long or short AMD stock and love to explain theE: technical reasons AMD processors are superior or inferior.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 00:06:48 -0500i* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>& Subject: OT: Network management errors) Message-ID: <404EA240.AB6FE090@istop.com>C  I Stumbled on a document worthy of reading. It lists common network (TCPIP).L management mistakes. Good for you, and good for you to bring to your network* manager when the later makes a mistake :-)  1 http://www.freelabs.com/~whitis/isp_mistakes.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 08:41:19 +0100B9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>-3 Subject: Re: Ping Between OpenVMS and Digital Unix?-' Message-ID: <404EC69F.7156D7F6@aaa.com>t  / Why on earth are two systems on the same subnett1 not having IP addresses within the same netmask ?b  - Change the IP address of one of the systems !   . Then you don't need any fancy routing setup...  	 Jan-Erik.x   "Yong Boon, Lim" wrote:h >   >    For OpenVMS v7.1-2 with UCX >       IP : 192.168.2.2 >       Subnet :  255.255.255.0a >  >    For Digital Unix 4  >       IP : 191.1.2.2 >       Subnet : 255.255.255.0   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:58:39 +0100m, From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>3 Subject: Re: Ping Between OpenVMS and Digital Unix?d: Message-ID: <c2nvhn$1u2jjo$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>  < "Yong Boon, Lim" <limyb@megasteel.com.my> schreef in bericht# news:c2mbec$r4$1@news4.jaring.my...a > Dear Sir,o > 4 >    Sorry that l didn't mention the version........ >l  >    For OpenVMS v7.1-2 with UCX >       IP : 192.168.2.2 >       Subnet :  255.255.255.0  >4 >    For Digital Unix 4t >       IP : 191.1.2.2 >       Subnet : 255.255.255.0 >eK >    So l've done the below configuration on both OpenVMS and Digital Unix,: > i.e. >       OpenVMSe8 >          UCX> set route 191.1.2.2 /gateway=192.168.2.2 >        Digital UnixF5 >           # route add -host 192.168.2.2 191.1.2.2 16 >1  E The two nodes are in two different IP networks: 192.168.2.0 (vms) andb 191.1.2.0 (du4).H You provide a gateway to the VMS system that is in the other network andI vice versa. No way these nodes can see each other unless you put a routerp
 between them.r  K SInce you request explicitly that NO router is allowed, I'd suggest putting  them in the same IP network.L You can't issue IP addresses in different networks without running a router, either as a separate box or byJ running RIP or another routing protocol on the two nodes themselves. Which is somewhat artificial....    9 >     At the end, l still can't "see" each others........n >MK >     So what configuration required in order to "see" each other in a SAME 
 > physical* >     network WITHOUT IP route or Gateway? >-K >     One of them suggests me to add another logical IP which have the same. > class withC >     its opponent.....is there any better way other than that? Any> > disadvantage of using G >     dual IP on single server? How do add logical IP on Digital Unix??O >  >    Thank you in advance! >t
 > Regards, > Yong Boon, Lim >  >  >o >d; > Matt Muggeridge <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com> wrote in messageP9 > news:w062c.88733$Wa.36907@news-server.bigpond.net.au...dJ > > You don't mention what version of TCP/IP.  This should work on V5.* on the 
 > > VMS side:l > >H, > >     $ @sys$manager:tcpip$define_commands/ > >     $ route add -net 191.1.2/24 192.168.3.22 > > F > > On UNIX side (you don't mention which UNIX), something similar to: > > / > >     $ route add -net 192.168.3/24 191.1.2.2@ > >p	 > > Matt.  > >c > >: > > --A > > -------------------------------------------------------------a > > OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering > > Enterprise Computing Group > > Hewlett-Packard Companyr > > Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAsA > > -------------------------------------------------------------. > >v > >r> > > "Yong Boon, Lim" <limyb@megasteel.com.my> wrote in message( > > news:c29kte$5bm$1@news4.jaring.my...
 > > > Friend,L > > >tH > > >     l've one OpenVMS server and one Unix server on SINGLE physical	 > network ! > > > WITHOUT gateway in between. 3 > > >     These systems have different subnet, i.e.s > > >u > > >     OpenVMS  > > >         IP : 192.168.3.2$ > > >         Subnet : 255.255.255.0 > > >  > > >     Unix > > >        IP : 191.1.2.2T# > > >        Subnet : 255.255.255.0  > > > H > > >    In order for both system to be able to "PING" each others, what exact + > > > configuration (and command like Routee9 > > >    or UCX Add Route?) should l add to both systems?0 > > >e > > >     Thank in advance!r > > >  > > > Regards,	 > > > Lim6 > > >@ > > >e > >, > >e >o >d >n   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:49:00 GMTI0 From: glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>3 Subject: Re: Ping Between OpenVMS and Digital Unix?a0 Message-ID: <g3M3c.100280$PR3.1813633@attbi_s03>   Hans Vlems wrote:      (snip)  M > SInce you request explicitly that NO router is allowed, I'd suggest putting  > them in the same IP network.N > You can't issue IP addresses in different networks without running a router,  > either as a separate box or byL > running RIP or another routing protocol on the two nodes themselves. Which > is somewhat artificial....  2 Putting them on the same network is definitely the right thing to do.  3 On some machines you can put a secondary IP addressH9 on an interface.  It will then respond to either address.l   -- glent   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 01:59:09 GMT 0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>3 Subject: Re: Ping Between OpenVMS and Digital Unix? = Message-ID: <NJP3c.97704$Wa.13897@news-server.bigpond.net.au>h  J Well, I can't vouch for the older versions of UCX and Digital UNIX.  I didL notice you used different IP addresses in your last entry.  Perhaps that was just a typo.  F Anyway, here is how I did it between two of my systems (running TCP/IP internal version of T5.5).   HOST 1: 0     $ ifconfig ie0 delete ! delete all addresses5     $ ifconfig ie0 192.168.2.2/16 ! add a new address +     $ route add -net 191.2.2/24 192.168.2.2        $ ifconfig ie0:     IE0: flags=c43<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST,SIMPLEX>H         *inet 192.168.2.2 netmask ffffff00 broadcast 192.168.2.255 ipmtu 1500       $ netstat -nrf inet      Routing tablesI     Destination      Gateway            Flags     Refs     Use  Interfacen  %     Route Tree for Protocol Family 2:tC     127.0.0.1        127.0.0.1          UHL         7       47  LO0mC     191.2.2/24       192.168.2.2        US          0        8  IE0mC     192.168.2/24     192.168.2.2        U           1        0  IE0oC     192.168.2.2      192.168.2.2        UHL         0        0  IE0t   HOST 2:r     $ ifconfig ie0 delete      $ ifconfig ie0 191.2.2.2/24 +     $ route add -net 192.168.2/24 191.2.2.2u       $ ifconfig ie0:     IE0: flags=c43<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST,SIMPLEX>I         *inet 191.2.2.2 netmask ffffff00 broadcast 191.2.2.255 ipmtu 1500t       $ netstat -rnf inet      Routing tablesI     Destination      Gateway            Flags     Refs     Use  Interfacee  %     Route Tree for Protocol Family 2:aC     127.0.0.1        127.0.0.1          UHL         1        0  LO0aC     191.2.2/24       191.2.2.2          U           1        0  IE0 C     191.2.2.2        191.2.2.2          UHL         0        0  IE0sC     192.168.2/24     191.2.2.2          US          0        8  IE0    HOST 1:      $ ping 191.2.2.2-     PING 191.2.2.2 (191.2.2.2): 56 data bytesu8     64 bytes from 191.2.2.2: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=1 ms8     64 bytes from 191.2.2.2: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0 ms8     64 bytes from 191.2.2.2: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0 ms8     64 bytes from 191.2.2.2: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0 ms    %     ----191.2.2.2 PING Statistics----)=     4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet losss+     round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 0/0/1 msy   HOST 2:o     $ ping 192.168.2.21     PING 192.168.2.2 (192.168.2.2): 56 data bytesf:     64 bytes from 192.168.2.2: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=0 ms:     64 bytes from 192.168.2.2: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0 ms:     64 bytes from 192.168.2.2: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0 ms:     64 bytes from 192.168.2.2: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0 ms    '     ----192.168.2.2 PING Statistics----s=     4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet losse+     round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 0/0/0 mse  ? In the words that nobody likes to hear... "it works for me" :-)  --  = -------------------------------------------------------------L OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Companyo Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAh= -------------------------------------------------------------     : "Yong Boon, Lim" <limyb@megasteel.com.my> wrote in message# news:c2mbec$r4$1@news4.jaring.my...  > Dear Sir,s >n4 >    Sorry that l didn't mention the version........ >-  >    For OpenVMS v7.1-2 with UCX >       IP : 192.168.2.2 >       Subnet :  255.255.255.0P >  >    For Digital Unix 4Y >       IP : 191.1.2.2 >       Subnet : 255.255.255.0 > K >    So l've done the below configuration on both OpenVMS and Digital Unix,R > i.e. >       OpenVMS08 >          UCX> set route 191.1.2.2 /gateway=192.168.2.2 >        Digital Unix05 >           # route add -host 192.168.2.2 191.1.2.2 10 >09 >     At the end, l still can't "see" each others......... >=K >     So what configuration required in order to "see" each other in a SAME 
 > physical* >     network WITHOUT IP route or Gateway? >-K >     One of them suggests me to add another logical IP which have the samee > class withC >     its opponent.....is there any better way other than that? Any. > disadvantage of usingeG >     dual IP on single server? How do add logical IP on Digital Unix??e >e >    Thank you in advance! >2
 > Regards, > Yong Boon, Lim >K >Q >T >S; > Matt Muggeridge <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com> wrote in messageo9 > news:w062c.88733$Wa.36907@news-server.bigpond.net.au... J > > You don't mention what version of TCP/IP.  This should work on V5.* on theu
 > > VMS side:b > >y, > >     $ @sys$manager:tcpip$define_commands/ > >     $ route add -net 191.1.2/24 192.168.3.2N > >SF > > On UNIX side (you don't mention which UNIX), something similar to: > >u/ > >     $ route add -net 192.168.3/24 191.1.2.2y > > 	 > > Matt.  > >h > >  > > --A > > -------------------------------------------------------------r > > OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering > > Enterprise Computing Group > > Hewlett-Packard Company- > > Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAwA > > -------------------------------------------------------------  > >i > >t> > > "Yong Boon, Lim" <limyb@megasteel.com.my> wrote in message( > > news:c29kte$5bm$1@news4.jaring.my...
 > > > Friend,n > > >lH > > >     l've one OpenVMS server and one Unix server on SINGLE physical	 > networki! > > > WITHOUT gateway in between.t3 > > >     These systems have different subnet, i.e.t > > >s > > >     OpenVMS9 > > >         IP : 192.168.3.2$ > > >         Subnet : 255.255.255.0 > > >" > > >     Unix > > >        IP : 191.1.2.22# > > >        Subnet : 255.255.255.0. > > > H > > >    In order for both system to be able to "PING" each others, what exacth+ > > > configuration (and command like Route 9 > > >    or UCX Add Route?) should l add to both systems?a > > >2 > > >     Thank in advance!T > > >  > > > Regards,	 > > > Limj > > >: > > >o > >@ > >b >d >. >r   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 02:04:20 GMT 0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>3 Subject: Re: Ping Between OpenVMS and Digital Unix?o= Message-ID: <EOP3c.97710$Wa.81686@news-server.bigpond.net.au>   K > vice versa. No way these nodes can see each other unless you put a routera > between them.t  F As shown in a previous note, this can be made to work with appropriate) routing entries, (and software versions).nL Though, I agree wholeheartedly with the general gist of the messages in this5 thread - i.e this is not a recommended configuration..   Matt.    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2004 02:25:49 -0800' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson)dM Subject: Re: Professional Agitator - Harrison, Andrew. Confimed on sun.com!!! = Message-ID: <734da31c.0403100225.1e166cac@posting.google.com>   [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<404CD136.84C8780A@istop.com>...' > David Svensson wrote:y< > > to react to it like you do. Those who still use VMS needE > > encouragement, not a bully person setting them straight. I cannot A > > understand how you can take posts from Bob Ceculski seriosly.  > N > Hey, don't blast Bob.  While his posts are overly enthousiastic, he seems to+ > be defending VMS, not HP's bad decisions.   D I don't mind Bob, it is OK with me, and it is also funny that AndrewB feels that he needs to answer :), but I don't find the discussions that follow so interesting.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 19:50:35 +0100m2 From: Wilm Boerhout <w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl>6 Subject: Re: Remote host identification: Telnet vs SSH* Message-ID: <c2qcjq$l7r$1@reader10.wxs.nl>  F The remote port identification is given to LOGINOUT.EXE, and hence to G the user process, by the internet ACP "demon" on VMS. Depending on the hG TCPIP stack used, various versions of the remote port info strings may eE be generated. I'm not too familiar with SSH, but apparently when the oH incoming connection is made via SSH, no information at all is passed to * LOGINOUT and the user process environment.  G Does your SSH implentation have (hidden) features (logical names etc.) pF to direct the remote port info behaviour? UCX doesn't, Multinet does, 
 others ???  
 Wilm Boerhout    Alan Frisbie wrote:e@ > On VMS v7.3-2, the SHOW USERS/FULL command displays the remote? > host if the connection came in via Telnet, but not if it camee= > in via SSH.   Is there any way to find/extract/display thisd > information? > 
 > Example: > B >  FLORES      Maria Flores     0000139F  LTA5378: (YELLOW/PORT_3)1 >  FREZZA      Angelica Frezza  00001746  TNA904:(H >                              (Host: quality1.nelsonusa.com Port: 1207)0 >  FRISBIE     Alan Frisbie     00001664  FTA43: > @ > In the first case (LTA5378:), the user is on a terminal server/ > port, which makes it easy to track them down.d > @ > In the second case (TNA904:), the user is connected via Telnet? > and the host identification makes it easy to track them down.r > @ > In the third case (FTA43:), the user is connected via SSH, but; > there is no indication of where the connection came from.o > B > Any help would be appreciated.   I would really like to use thisB > information in SYLOGIN.COM so connections from outside our local% > network can be treated differently.a > 	 > Thanks,  > Alan >    --  
 Wilm Boerhoutt   wilmOLD@PAINTboerhout.nl(    (remove OLD PAINT from reply address)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:27:33 -0800r3 From: Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com>-2 Subject: Remote host identification: Telnet vs SSH, Message-ID: <4050AF95.60409@Flying-Disk.com>  > On VMS v7.3-2, the SHOW USERS/FULL command displays the remote= host if the connection came in via Telnet, but not if it cameu; in via SSH.   Is there any way to find/extract/display this  information?   Example:  A   FLORES      Maria Flores     0000139F  LTA5378: (YELLOW/PORT_3)-0   FREZZA      Angelica Frezza  00001746  TNA904:G                               (Host: quality1.nelsonusa.com Port: 1207)s/   FRISBIE     Alan Frisbie     00001664  FTA43:2  > In the first case (LTA5378:), the user is on a terminal server- port, which makes it easy to track them down.4  > In the second case (TNA904:), the user is connected via Telnet= and the host identification makes it easy to track them down.m  > In the third case (FTA43:), the user is connected via SSH, but9 there is no indication of where the connection came from.o  @ Any help would be appreciated.   I would really like to use this@ information in SYLOGIN.COM so connections from outside our local# network can be treated differently.n   Thanks,a Alan   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Mar 04 11:21:20 PST From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.come6 Subject: Re: Remote host identification: Telnet vs SSH( Message-ID: <9RZl+nb4B80e@cpva.saic.com>  * In article <c2qcjq$l7r$1@reader10.wxs.nl>,5  Wilm Boerhout <w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl> writes:,H > The remote port identification is given to LOGINOUT.EXE, and hence to I > the user process, by the internet ACP "demon" on VMS. Depending on the pI > TCPIP stack used, various versions of the remote port info strings may )G > be generated. I'm not too familiar with SSH, but apparently when the rJ > incoming connection is made via SSH, no information at all is passed to , > LOGINOUT and the user process environment. >   F Or perhaps LOGINOUT is not run. It all depends upon how the process isC created. At least some SSH implementations do not execute LOGINOUT.i  I > Does your SSH implentation have (hidden) features (logical names etc.) nH > to direct the remote port info behaviour? UCX doesn't, Multinet does,  > others ??? >  > Wilm Boerhout  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 19:09:16 GMTy" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG6 Subject: Re: Remote host identification: Telnet vs SSH0 Message-ID: <00A2EAFA.EA4DF952@SendSpamHere.ORG>  b In article <4050AF95.60409@Flying-Disk.com>, Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> writes:? >On VMS v7.3-2, the SHOW USERS/FULL command displays the remote > >host if the connection came in via Telnet, but not if it came< >in via SSH.   Is there any way to find/extract/display this
 >information?  >4	 >Example:0 > B >  FLORES      Maria Flores     0000139F  LTA5378: (YELLOW/PORT_3)1 >  FREZZA      Angelica Frezza  00001746  TNA904:rH >                              (Host: quality1.nelsonusa.com Port: 1207)0 >  FRISBIE     Alan Frisbie     00001664  FTA43: >h? >In the first case (LTA5378:), the user is on a terminal servert. >port, which makes it easy to track them down. > ? >In the second case (TNA904:), the user is connected via Telnet > >and the host identification makes it easy to track them down. >r? >In the third case (FTA43:), the user is connected via SSH, butd: >there is no indication of where the connection came from. >fA >Any help would be appreciated.   I would really like to use thislA >information in SYLOGIN.COM so connections from outside our local $ >network can be treated differently. >- >Thanks, >Alan-  B Alan, FT terminals so not support the access port name by default.  C I hacked up some code a few years back to allow the FT to employ anpC access port name.  This code is now used by Process Software in theaC Multinet and TCPware implementations of SSH to provide the informa-w tion you seek.  C You could use the code I devised to add access port information buteC you'll need to figure out how to relate the FT devices back to the n remote system somehow first.   --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.o --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             i5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" n   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2004 13:13:39 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e6 Subject: Re: Remote host identification: Telnet vs SSH3 Message-ID: <l$VgstMNm7a3@eisner.encompasserve.org>f  b In article <4050AF95.60409@Flying-Disk.com>, Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> writes: > @ > In the third case (FTA43:), the user is connected via SSH, but; > there is no indication of where the connection came from.  > B > Any help would be appreciated.   I would really like to use thisB > information in SYLOGIN.COM so connections from outside our local% > network can be treated differently.:  E    You need a better IP stack.  Multinet, for example, provides this:a  B    KOEHLER  KOEHLER        00004292  FTA842: (ssh/<node>:<number>)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 12:57:44 -0800 3 From: Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com>'6 Subject: Re: Remote host identification: Telnet vs SSH. Message-ID: <4050D2C8.4060504@Flying-Disk.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:; > In article <4050AF95.60409@Flying-Disk.com>, Alan Frisbie * > <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> writes:  A >> In the third case (FTA43:), the user is connected via SSH, butl< >> there is no indication of where the connection came from.  G >    You need a better IP stack.  Multinet, for example, provides this:i > D >    KOEHLER  KOEHLER        00004292  FTA842: (ssh/<node>:<number>)  9 I'm beginning to get the hint(s) that I should ditch HP'sn& implementation and switch to Multinet:  '    1. HP can't handle expired passwordsn,    2. HP doesn't let me know the remote node	    3. ???]  B Darn, just when I was getting comfortable with it.   How difficult is it to switch?   Alan   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Mar 2004 21:20:57 GMT1 From: JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones) 6 Subject: Re: Remote host identification: Telnet vs SSH: Message-ID: <c2ql7p$ps4$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  * In article <c2qcjq$l7r$1@reader10.wxs.nl>,5  Wilm Boerhout <w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl> writes:oG > The remote port identification is given to LOGINOUT.EXE, and hence to,H > the user process, by the internet ACP "demon" on VMS. Depending on theH > TCPIP stack used, various versions of the remote port info strings may > be generated.S  E In the server I wrote, the SSH daemon uses Brian's FT hack to set themN accpornam field of the pseudo-terminal before it even creates the user process> that attaches to it.  There is nothing loginout.exe has to do.  < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929- Ohio State University        |      Internet:PL 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  1 Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:13:19 +0100C- From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de>r6 Subject: Re: Remote host identification: Telnet vs SSH9 Message-ID: <c2rrf1$1tpdl7$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de><   Alan Frisbie wrote:S > Bob Koehler wrote:8 >> Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> writes:B >>> In the third case (FTA43:), the user is connected via SSH, but= >>> there is no indication of where the connection came from.o >> lH >>    You need a better IP stack.  Multinet, for example, provides this: >>  E >>    KOEHLER  KOEHLER        00004292  FTA842: (ssh/<node>:<number>)  > ; > I'm beginning to get the hint(s) that I should ditch HP'sc( > implementation and switch to Multinet: > ) >    1. HP can't handle expired passwordsh. >    2. HP doesn't let me know the remote node >    3. ???t > D > Darn, just when I was getting comfortable with it.   How difficult > is it to switch?  C Not very difficult. There's a product called "SSH for OpenVMS" that B effectively is the MultiNet SSH implementation for use with TCP/IP3 Services. See http://www.process.com/tcpip/ssh.html   = You should even be able to re-use your config files and keys.c   cu,O   Martin   -- i@   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de F    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Mar 2004 07:36:20 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)r6 Subject: Re: Remote host identification: Telnet vs SSH3 Message-ID: <oPqrVV+7ZIP2@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  d In article <4050D2C8.4060504@Flying-Disk.com>, Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> writes: > D > Darn, just when I was getting comfortable with it.   How difficult > is it to switch?  E    I've actually done this at home.  After temporarily installing UCXcC    I simply installed Multinet and updated sysytartup_vms.com.  I'mbC    probably wasting a little disk space as I don't recall whether Ih    actually removed UCX.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:43:03 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG6 Subject: Re: Remote host identification: Telnet vs SSH0 Message-ID: <00A2EBC0.6B1F355B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  d In article <405201D0.9090902@Flying-Disk.com>, Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> writes: >Martin Vorlaender wrote:  >> Alan Frisbie wrote: >> s >>>Bob Koehler wrote:5 >n: >>>> Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> writes: >+D >>>>> In the third case (FTA43:), the user is connected via SSH, but? >>>>> there is no indication of where the connection came from.s >fI >>>>   You need a better IP stack.  Multinet, for example, provides this:  >pE >>>Darn, just when I was getting comfortable with it.   How difficult  >>>is it to switch?n > F >> Not very difficult. There's a product called "SSH for OpenVMS" thatE >> effectively is the MultiNet SSH implementation for use with TCP/IPn6 >> Services. See http://www.process.com/tcpip/ssh.html >> r@ >> You should even be able to re-use your config files and keys. >I? >Cool, it looks like it is worth checking out.   Unfortunately,e@ >I couldn't find any pricing information on their web site.   Do! >you have any idea what it costs?m >  >Alant >t& From an email I received from Process:  L The SSH client server lic is $1200 / lic and $240 annually for support.  The< server-only lic is $995 / lic and $200 annually for support.   --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.W -- lK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             t5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 14:08:57 -0600e( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)6 Subject: Re: Remote host identification: Telnet vs SSH1 Message-ID: <04031214085743@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>    > @ > Cool, it looks like it is worth checking out.   Unfortunately,A > I couldn't find any pricing information on their web site.   Dos" > you have any idea what it costs? >  > Alan  ( I believe it is about $1,200 per server.     J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n+ VMS Systems Administratora* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 03:17:55 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e6 Subject: Re: Remote host identification: Telnet vs SSHH Message-ID: <D3v4c.21524$1gU1.5146@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A2EBC0.6B1F355B@SendSpamHere.ORG...= > In article <405201D0.9090902@Flying-Disk.com>, Alan Frisbiee( <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> writes: > >Martin Vorlaender wrote:e > >> Alan Frisbie wrote: > >> > >>>Bob Koehler wrote:u > >u< > >>>> Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> writes: > >dF > >>>>> In the third case (FTA43:), the user is connected via SSH, butA > >>>>> there is no indication of where the connection came from.p > >wK > >>>>   You need a better IP stack.  Multinet, for example, provides this:s > > G > >>>Darn, just when I was getting comfortable with it.   How difficultu > >>>is it to switch?  > > H > >> Not very difficult. There's a product called "SSH for OpenVMS" thatG > >> effectively is the MultiNet SSH implementation for use with TCP/IP 8 > >> Services. See http://www.process.com/tcpip/ssh.html > >>B > >> You should even be able to re-use your config files and keys. > >lA > >Cool, it looks like it is worth checking out.   Unfortunately,lB > >I couldn't find any pricing information on their web site.   Do# > >you have any idea what it costs?a > >y > >Aland > >w( > From an email I received from Process: >gI > The SSH client server lic is $1200 / lic and $240 annually for support.o The > > server-only lic is $995 / lic and $200 annually for support.     Cheap at twice the price   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2004 02:17:47 -0800& From: thomas.hahnemann@s-t.de (vmstom)E Subject: Re: reopening sys$output and sys$error in a detached process = Message-ID: <59607e25.0403100217.3e3f476e@posting.google.com>u  v usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer) wrote in message news:<477e0934.0403091921.5f6e5cf8@posting.google.com>... > / > use "freopen" instead of "fclose" and "fopen"t  + Ive tested it, but there is no difference.   = > > What can I do to receive $putmsg output in the logfiles ? = > > How do I get traceback info in my own exception handler ?m > >  >nF > This can be done.  It is undocumented, but depending on your serviceG > contract with HP, they may tell you how to do it.  I know they showedrH > us, but I'm not sure that we are allowed to disclose the information. D > I'd rather err on the safe side.  Just ask your HP representative.  > Ive seen an article from Arne Vajhj with an example for VAX.I Iam able to walk through the call stack and get the procedure addresses, B but where is the traceback info stored ? Is it really a secret on 	 OpenVMS ?9   Thomas   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2004 13:36:38 -08001 From: usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer)nE Subject: Re: reopening sys$output and sys$error in a detached processt= Message-ID: <477e0934.0403101336.3b32adfa@posting.google.com>i  k thomas.hahnemann@s-t.de (vmstom) wrote in message news:<59607e25.0403100217.3e3f476e@posting.google.com>..."x > usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer) wrote in message news:<477e0934.0403091921.5f6e5cf8@posting.google.com>... > > 1 > > use "freopen" instead of "fclose" and "fopen"u > - > Ive tested it, but there is no difference.  >   C sorry, works for me.  Write a mainprog in C, reopen STDOUT in "wb+"e? mode.  Run that mainprog and you should see different behavior.t  ? > > > What can I do to receive $putmsg output in the logfiles ?w? > > > How do I get traceback info in my own exception handler ?- > > >  > >eH > > This can be done.  It is undocumented, but depending on your serviceI > > contract with HP, they may tell you how to do it.  I know they showed.J > > us, but I'm not sure that we are allowed to disclose the information. F > > I'd rather err on the safe side.  Just ask your HP representative. > @ > Ive seen an article from Arne Vajhj with an example for VAX.K > Iam able to walk through the call stack and get the procedure addresses,wD > but where is the traceback info stored ? Is it really a secret on  > OpenVMS ?l >   E No, you don't even need to walk the call stack yourself.  There is anbD undocumented function that does all of the work for you.  Again, I'mE sorry I can't disclose how to do it, as we aren't sure whether or nottC we were informed under an NDA.  Try pinging your HP representative.t   > Thomas   -josh    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 08:45:24 -0500 * From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillmabg@yahoo.com>/ Subject: RE: SAMBA & Advanced Server - coexist?c' Message-ID: <012C3673.C22236@yahoo.com>e  $ > Anyone using SAMBA with VMS V7.3 ?  J OpenVMS VAX V7.2 for me.  It doesn't work on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 here, atK any rate.  It appears to work (the NMBD server runs but no connections ever7H work).  It's probably something I don't have configured correctly, but IG can't figure out what, since both the VAX and the Alpha are in the same I cluster and have the same .CONF file.  It worked for the version prior to-
 Samba V2.2.8.-   > Do you like it?,  G It's very slow on a VAX.  I don't know how fast it may be on the Alpha.L -- (
 Brian TillmanA   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:16:11 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>/ Subject: Re: SAMBA & Advanced Server - coexist? / Message-ID: <404F313B.2151BB2@sture.homeip.net>p   Brian Tillman wrote: > & > > Anyone using SAMBA with VMS V7.3 ? > L > OpenVMS VAX V7.2 for me.  It doesn't work on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 here, atM > any rate.  It appears to work (the NMBD server runs but no connections evereJ > work).  It's probably something I don't have configured correctly, but II > can't figure out what, since both the VAX and the Alpha are in the samenK > cluster and have the same .CONF file.  It worked for the version prior tor > Samba V2.2.8.e >  > > Do you like it?a > I > It's very slow on a VAX.  I don't know how fast it may be on the Alpha.   C I found it dreadfully slow on a VAXstation 3100 38, especially wheniG using Explorer to view files on the VAX. 100 logical names translationsmH per second, which was about the maximum a VAX of that era could sustain.  F At the time someone offered the explanation that Explorer looks inside- each file to determine which icon to display.t  D Performance has been fine on the Alphas I have tried, but getting it) working in the first place can be tricky.    -- -  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 09:03:28 -05005! From: Hal Kuff <kuff@comcast.net> ! Subject: SAN Replication over IP?n< Message-ID: <kuff-3FD6BE.09032814032004@library.airnews.net>   Hi,e  I    We have a T-3 circuit between two data centers. At that clock rate we sB could easily move about 20gb/hour, possibly more witj compression.  =    We use EVA-5000 StorageWorks on Compaq (Brocade) switches.Y  B    I'm wondering if anyone is using the StorageWorks availability H software to replicate some of the volumes (LUNS) between two sites over  a T-3?  F    One of the issues is just how much data is being written to a LUN! G There does not appear to be anyway within the StorageWorks environment m7 to see just what the data rate is for write operations.p     ---    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 20:06:10 GMT>> From: Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com>% Subject: Re: SAN Replication over IP? > Message-ID: <4054B467.1070200@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com>   Hal Kuff wrote:r   > Hi,v > K >    We have a T-3 circuit between two data centers. At that clock rate we  D > could easily move about 20gb/hour, possibly more witj compression. > ? >    We use EVA-5000 StorageWorks on Compaq (Brocade) switches.M > D >    I'm wondering if anyone is using the StorageWorks availability J > software to replicate some of the volumes (LUNS) between two sites over  > a T-3? > H >    One of the issues is just how much data is being written to a LUN! I > There does not appear to be anyway within the StorageWorks environment S9 > to see just what the data rate is for write operations.y >  >  > ---n   Hal,  E Brocade has some new devices that could possibly facilitate this for lI you.. It does FC-FC, FC-IP and a whole lot more.  In your environment, I  H am not convinced you have a big enough pipe line in place to facilitate I Business Copy in the EVA, unless it is done in an ASYNC mode using FC-IP.g  G Excerpt from: <<http://www.brocade.com/san/extending_valueof_SANs.jsp>>   < "Extending Fibre Channel SANs Transparently over IP Networks  E Delivered on the Brocade SilkWorm Multiprotocol Router (based on the S? industry-unique SilkWorm Fabric Application Platform), Brocade  F multiprotocol routing services provide new options for connecting SAN I islands and extending SAN benefits over multiple networks, to larger SAN aI sizes, and across longer distances. A key aspect of this approach is the  F unprecedented capability to configure SAN protocols on a port-by-port E basis within the Multiprotocol Router. The new multiprotocol routing . services include:w  8      * Fibre Channel-to-Fibre Channel (FC-to-FC) routing4      * ISCSI-to-Fibre Channel (iSCSI-to-FC) bridging,      * SAN extension over distance via FC-IP "    Excerpt from: W <<http://searchstorage.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid5_gci935220,00.html>>.  C "Now that storage area networks (SANs) have proliferated in the IT sH world, the focus has shifted from installing them to connecting storage G networks across distances. That's where Brocade Communications Systems -F Inc. hopes its new Fabric Application Platform will make a big splash.  C San Jose, Calif.-based Brocade made its play for the SAN extension IH market last week by offering a new set of multi-protocol fabric routing @ services that the company claims will extend the functionality, $ scalability and versatility of SANs.  I The services will be delivered on an intelligent switch designed to host  F storage management applications in the SAN fabric. Called the Brocade D SilkWorm Fabric Application Platform AP7420, the product will allow A customers to logically consolidate and scale SANs and extend SAN uC functionality over multiple networks and across greater distances. .E Brocade is betting the SilkWorm Fabric AP7420 will be a hit with the oG company's existing users, who use a combined 2.8 million Fibre Channel g
 SAN ports.  < "Brocade's multi-protocol fabric routing services are about G consolidating and extending the reach of SANs [by] connecting isolated aC islands, going farther distances and bringing in more servers. The -D benefits are similar to storage or server consolidation," said Mike F Fisch, a senior analyst with the Clipper Group Inc., Wellesley, Mass."     Michael Austin Mobile:816-728-3080c   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 20:06:11 -0500 # From: "Hal Kuff" <kuff@comcast.net> % Subject: Re: SAN Replication over IP?m- Message-ID: <c32vh0$q40@library2.airnews.net>a  L     Thanxs Mike... always a pleasure....  Yes we were told about the BrocadeD software a few months ago, we are looking into that. If we chose theH Cusiness Copy S/W we wound only replicate one or possibly two LUNS... we< could then ship off RMS and Oracle after image log files....  J     One thing we should all keep in mind (if we are still using RMS files)H is that a one megabyte data write can initiate a 10 or 20MB write duringK which a lot of index and bucket split operations occur on a poorly designede
 application..c  K    Our theory is that say two LUNS that have peak write of 10GB total could9+ easily be replicated (asynch) over a T-3 ..'  G     We are wondering who out there is using Brocade, CNT, Nishan, Ciscou MDS9216 etc....a        K "Michael Austin" <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com> wrote in message 8 news:4054B467.1070200@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com... > Hal Kuff wrote:  >O > > Hi,  > >fL > >    We have a T-3 circuit between two data centers. At that clock rate weF > > could easily move about 20gb/hour, possibly more witj compression. > >oA > >    We use EVA-5000 StorageWorks on Compaq (Brocade) switches.> > > E > >    I'm wondering if anyone is using the StorageWorks availability5K > > software to replicate some of the volumes (LUNS) between two sites overw
 > > a T-3? > >gI > >    One of the issues is just how much data is being written to a LUN! J > > There does not appear to be anyway within the StorageWorks environment; > > to see just what the data rate is for write operations.  > >9 > >. > > ---1 >1 > Hal, > F > Brocade has some new devices that could possibly facilitate this forJ > you.. It does FC-FC, FC-IP and a whole lot more.  In your environment, II > am not convinced you have a big enough pipe line in place to facilitate K > Business Copy in the EVA, unless it is done in an ASYNC mode using FC-IP.> > I > Excerpt from: <<http://www.brocade.com/san/extending_valueof_SANs.jsp>>  > > > "Extending Fibre Channel SANs Transparently over IP Networks >wF > Delivered on the Brocade SilkWorm Multiprotocol Router (based on the@ > industry-unique SilkWorm Fabric Application Platform), BrocadeG > multiprotocol routing services provide new options for connecting SAN J > islands and extending SAN benefits over multiple networks, to larger SANJ > sizes, and across longer distances. A key aspect of this approach is theG > unprecedented capability to configure SAN protocols on a port-by-port F > basis within the Multiprotocol Router. The new multiprotocol routing > services include:9 >.: >      * Fibre Channel-to-Fibre Channel (FC-to-FC) routing6 >      * ISCSI-to-Fibre Channel (iSCSI-to-FC) bridging. >      * SAN extension over distance via FC-IP > ". >I > Excerpt from:) > L <<http://searchstorage.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid5_gci93522 0,00.html>>m >=D > "Now that storage area networks (SANs) have proliferated in the ITI > world, the focus has shifted from installing them to connecting storage=H > networks across distances. That's where Brocade Communications SystemsH > Inc. hopes its new Fabric Application Platform will make a big splash. > D > San Jose, Calif.-based Brocade made its play for the SAN extensionI > market last week by offering a new set of multi-protocol fabric routinglA > services that the company claims will extend the functionality,t& > scalability and versatility of SANs. >eJ > The services will be delivered on an intelligent switch designed to hostG > storage management applications in the SAN fabric. Called the Brocade E > SilkWorm Fabric Application Platform AP7420, the product will allow-B > customers to logically consolidate and scale SANs and extend SAND > functionality over multiple networks and across greater distances.F > Brocade is betting the SilkWorm Fabric AP7420 will be a hit with theH > company's existing users, who use a combined 2.8 million Fibre Channel > SAN ports. > = > "Brocade's multi-protocol fabric routing services are abouttH > consolidating and extending the reach of SANs [by] connecting isolatedD > islands, going farther distances and bringing in more servers. TheE > benefits are similar to storage or server consolidation," said Mike H > Fisch, a senior analyst with the Clipper Group Inc., Wellesley, Mass." >  >' > Michael Austin > Mobile:816-728-3080o >a >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 12:22:42 -0600 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)/ Subject: SAN upgrade, 8-PORT to 16-PORT, hints?l1 Message-ID: <04031112224284@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   M I will be replacing our existing 8-PORT SAN switch with a 16-PORT SAN switch.      Currently I have:n  * two 8-PORT SAN switch (Compaq)" * three VMS Alpha Servers (V7.2-1) * two HSG80 controller pairs    1 This takes up 14 ports out of 16 ports available.g    = I have opted to replace the 8-PORT SAN switch with a 16-PORT..    M I plan on moving the secondary cables to the 16-PORT fabric and then move the  primary cables over.     Questions I have:i  N 1) Is there an easy way to force a failover from the primary to the secondary?  " 2) Has anyone else perfromed this?  $ 3) Am I about to fall off the cliff?         J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator2* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:15:37 -0500-+ From: "DanO" <oz55555.nospam@bellsouth.net>n3 Subject: Re: SAN upgrade, 8-PORT to 16-PORT, hints?-9 Message-ID: <cJ34c.73932$rB4.5292@bignews6.bellsouth.net>-  B From your port usage, it appears your two current switches are NOT? connected to each other.  I assume you have not implemented any@1 zoning.  This should not a be a big  deal at all.   2 If your current installation is working correctly,, you should be able to do this live by simply+ powering off one of the switches and movingf( all the cable from it to the new switch.  ) I have done this before with no problems.   -   Dan Osburn - former StorageWorks Instructor     3 John Brandon <brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote in message + news:04031112224284@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com... G > I will be replacing our existing 8-PORT SAN switch with a 16-PORT SANr switch.d >m >d > Currently I have: " > * two 8-PORT SAN switch (Compaq)$ > * three VMS Alpha Servers (V7.2-1) > * two HSG80 controller pairs >d > 3 > This takes up 14 ports out of 16 ports available.  >- >-? > I have opted to replace the 8-PORT SAN switch with a 16-PORT.r >  >tK > I plan on moving the secondary cables to the 16-PORT fabric and then move  thea > primary cables over. >c >7 > Questions I have:e >iE > 1) Is there an easy way to force a failover from the primary to then
 secondary? >r$ > 2) Has anyone else perfromed this? > & > 3) Am I about to fall off the cliff? >h >p >r >e > J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*no > VMS Systems Administrator , > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 04:45:01 GMTn% From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com>-3 Subject: Re: SAN upgrade, 8-PORT to 16-PORT, hints?r7 Message-ID: <hfb4c.7503$4B1.7408@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>   3 John Brandon <brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote in messagee+ news:04031112224284@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com...nG > I will be replacing our existing 8-PORT SAN switch with a 16-PORT SANe switch.1 >8 >7 > Currently I have: " > * two 8-PORT SAN switch (Compaq)$ > * three VMS Alpha Servers (V7.2-1) > * two HSG80 controller pairs >a >l3 > This takes up 14 ports out of 16 ports available.s >d >w? > I have opted to replace the 8-PORT SAN switch with a 16-PORT.t >a >BK > I plan on moving the secondary cables to the 16-PORT fabric and then moveS the  > primary cables over. >o >  > Questions I have:t >eE > 1) Is there an easy way to force a failover from the primary to theu
 secondary?  ) That depends on your definition of "Easy"g  F you do a SHO DEV  /MULTI.  This will show you the current path of your multi-pathed devices.uH The GGA devices are the command console LUN for the storage controllers.: The ID# that you assigned to the HSG will equal the GGA #.  J With the HSG80 controllers, the WWId of the path string ends in the port #) of the controller that you are active on.n so you know the following:( ...XXX1 is the Bottom controller port 1.( ...XXX2 is the Bottom controller port 2.% ...XXX3 is the Top controller port 1.p% ...XXX4 is the Top controller port 2.   G SHO DEV/FULL will show you all 4 possible path strings for that device.   E If you know that your PGA devices are all plugged into your first SAN K switch, and your HSG port1's are plugged into that switch.  You can issue a,D command similar to the following to force a LUN to fail over to that port....  J SET DEV $1$DGA100: /SWITCH /PATH=PGA0.5000.1FE1.00AB.CDE1   <== notice the last digit.vJ This would send a request to force DGA100 to switch to port1 of the bottom. storage controller on HSG 5000.1FE1.00AB.CDE0.  J SET DEV $1$DGA100: /SWITCH /PATH=PGB0.5000.1FE1.00AB.CDE4   <== notice the last digit.AG This would send a request to force DGA100 to switch to port2 of the Top  storage controller.m  L Notice that the devices PGA and PGB are different between the commands.  TheL  HBA for device PGA/FGA is cabled to one switch and PGB/FGB is cabled to the
 other switch.e    I This forcing of the paths is not necessary on a VMS system, but it is the D paranoid way of ensuring that you do not have any problems with yourI re-cabeling.  Our management requires it before we do SAN Fabric Firmwares	 Upgrades.i    $ > 2) Has anyone else perfromed this?E Moving from an 8 port to 16 port switch....  No.   Moving HSG storage I controllers from one SAN switch to another SAN switch within the same SAN  fabric....  Yes!  G I had to move 4 storage controllers a port at a time from one switch toAI other switches.  I was moving them for locality, and to be able to re-use-1 the two switches elsewhere within my data center.0  & > 3) Am I about to fall off the cliff?  I Not with proper planning and prep work.  If you do not have any zoning on-E the SAN switches, it should be a simple re-cable.  If you are alreadyUJ zoning, you will need to duplicate the zoning on the new switches prior to swapping the cables.    
 Mike Naime   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 16:42:33 -0600L( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)3 Subject: Re: SAN upgrade, 8-PORT to 16-PORT, hints?01 Message-ID: <04031316423313@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>s   Dan Osburn writes:D > From your port usage, it appears your two current switches are NOTA > connected to each other.  I assume you have not implemented anyt3 > zoning.  This should not a be a big  deal at all.s  ) The switches are not implementing zoning.i  4 > If your current installation is working correctly,. > you should be able to do this live by simply- > powering off one of the switches and moving * > all the cable from it to the new switch. > + > I have done this before with no problems.a  I Thanks.  I thought it would be as simple as that - I have not tested thiso% before so I just wanted to make sure.e     Mike Naime writes:  L > SET DEV $1$DGA100: /SWITCH /PATH=PGA0.5000.1FE1.00AB.CDE1   <== notice the
 > last digit.oL > This would send a request to force DGA100 to switch to port1 of the bottom0 > storage controller on HSG 5000.1FE1.00AB.CDE0. > L > SET DEV $1$DGA100: /SWITCH /PATH=PGB0.5000.1FE1.00AB.CDE4   <== notice the
 > last digit.nI > This would send a request to force DGA100 to switch to port2 of the Topt > storage controller.  > N > Notice that the devices PGA and PGB are different between the commands.  TheN >  HBA for device PGA/FGA is cabled to one switch and PGB/FGB is cabled to the > other switch.n > K > This forcing of the paths is not necessary on a VMS system, but it is theTF > paranoid way of ensuring that you do not have any problems with yourK > re-cabeling.  Our management requires it before we do SAN Fabric Firmwaret > Upgrades.   8 Thanks for the information.  I will play around with it.  N I have a small environment (3 servers, 4 controllers) so I do not expect it to be that difficult.       J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator-* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2004 10:13:22 +0100' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)H! Subject: Re: scanning the PCI busn+ Message-ID: <rPiD8Qv9YTMT@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>F  b In article <c2m7qk$394$1@news.fas.harvard.edu>, Chip Coldwell <coldwell@frank.harvard.edu> writes: > B > The next step is to try to get the array of devices from the PCIF > buses.  According to my book, this requires some messing around with > the system dump analyzer:n    1 I  can't help You further with the dump analyzer, < but maybe a program posted here by Patrick Young does a good# job in identifying PCI bus devices. ; If not found in the c.o.v. archives, get it from my system:   8   http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/vmssig/src/c/pci_bus_list.c   Build:.  CC pci_bus_list+sys$library:sys$lib_c.tlb/lib  LINK/sysexe pci_bus_listy   Needs CMKRNL privilege to run.   -- c>    Joseph "Sepp" Huber, Muenchen   http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Mar 2004 14:14:08 GMT0 From: Chip Coldwell <coldwell@frank.harvard.edu>! Subject: Re: scanning the PCI bust/ Message-ID: <c2n7rg$umk$1@news.fas.harvard.edu>a  ( Joseph Huber <huber@mppmu.mpg.de> wrote:d > In article <c2m7qk$394$1@news.fas.harvard.edu>, Chip Coldwell <coldwell@frank.harvard.edu> writes: >> .C >> The next step is to try to get the array of devices from the PCIsG >> buses.  According to my book, this requires some messing around with  >> the system dump analyzer:    3 > I  can't help You further with the dump analyzer,h> > but maybe a program posted here by Patrick Young does a good% > job in identifying PCI bus devices.s= > If not found in the c.o.v. archives, get it from my system:l  : >   http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/vmssig/src/c/pci_bus_list.c  C Thanks a lot, that did the trick.  Not only did it scan my PCI bus,hB but the source code revealed where I was going wrong with the SDA.   Chip   --   Charles  M. "Chip" Coldwellm "Turn on, log in, tune out"n   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 19:29:52 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)n! Subject: Re: scanning the PCI bus 0 Message-ID: <Q0K3c.651$tW2.168@news.cpqcorp.net>  e -- In article <c2m7qk$394$1@news.fas.harvard.edu>, Chip Coldwell <coldwell@frank.harvard.edu> writes:eA :The system in question is a PWS600au running OpenVMS 7.3-1.  I'm0F :looking for a device on the PCI bus using ANALYZE/SYSTEM.  The method@ :I'm following comes from the book "Writing OpenVMS Alpha DeviceC :Drivers in C" by Margie Sherlock and Leonard Szubowicz on page 223m4 :(Copyright 1996, so probably a little out of date). :rG :The first step is to take a look at what's on the system using SYSMAN:o ..F :So my question is: has something changed since my book was published?  B   Much has changed.  The book was written largely for V6.2, and isB   missing much of the current 64-bit kernel and I/O infrastructure?   information.  FC, for instance, is a big addition to the I/O.r  A   There is/was an errata document occasionally available for the t   contents of the current book.S  C   I've asked about an update, and beleive that someone may/will or :B   has already been tapped for that work.  Digital Press will know.  =   The first and most obvious question is "what is your goal?"T  ?   There are a set of CLUE commands integrated into SDA that canoC   display configuration information, and these provide information cA   on the FRUs (CLUE FRU), on the configuration (CLUE CONFIG) and EC   other related operations.  You can also see various configurationg=   information from the SRM console, and from other tools and i   diagnostics.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqwN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comn   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:25:52 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>e! Subject: Re: scanning the PCI busW0 Message-ID: <kRK3c.663$W03.591@news.cpqcorp.net>  I Let me assume that you are trying to configure a device.  I would suggest ' using the file based autoconfiguration.d  B First of all, set your terminal to 132 columns and use the command   CLUE CONFIGr  B in ANAL/SYS.  This (the second or so screenfull) will show you the6 bus/device information - the SYSMAN stuff is obsolete.  L There is a file called SYS$SYSTEM:SYS$USER_CONFIG.DAT which then can be usedJ to add your device information.  The SYS$CONFIG.DAT can be looked at as anC example.  It was documented in the New Features manual back in V7.1   L A handy thing in debugging is you can boot with NOAUTO set to 1 and the USERF config file will be ignored.  You can modify the files and rebuild the> configuration information in the ADP's using SYSMAN IO REBUILD        = "Chip Coldwell" <coldwell@frank.harvard.edu> wrote in messagem) news:c2m7qk$394$1@news.fas.harvard.edu... B > The system in question is a PWS600au running OpenVMS 7.3-1.  I'mG > looking for a device on the PCI bus using ANALYZE/SYSTEM.  The method A > I'm following comes from the book "Writing OpenVMS Alpha Device>D > Drivers in C" by Margie Sherlock and Leonard Szubowicz on page 2235 > (Copyright 1996, so probably a little out of date).i >cH > The first step is to take a look at what's on the system using SYSMAN: >r > $ MCR SYSMAN > SYSMAN> IO SHOW BUSL > 3 > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node ROGER  > < > _Bus__________Node_TR#__Name____________Base CSR__________; >   PCI           24   2    Unknown        FFFFFFFF83654000l; >   PCI           32   2    Unknown        FFFFFFFF83656000t? >       XBUS          0    4    Mouse          FFFFFFFF8365A000a? >       XBUS          1    4    Keyboard       FFFFFFFF8365A000i? >       XBUS          2    4    Serial Port    FFFFFFFF8365A000l? >       XBUS          3    4    Serial Port    FFFFFFFF8365A000s? >       XBUS          4    4    Parallel Port  FFFFFFFF8365A000e? >       XBUS          5    4    Floppy         FFFFFFFF8365A000 ? >       XBUS          6    4    Unknown device FFFFFFFF8365A000u? >       XBUS          7    4    Unknown device FFFFFFFF8365A000d= >     PCI           320  5    Unknown        FFFFFFFF8385E000/= >     PCI           336  5    PCI/SCSI       FFFFFFFF83860000  >-D > The output above leads me to believe that there are at least threeF > buses on my system, two PCI buses (doubtless linked by a PCI bridge)1 > and an ISA bus bridged to one of the PCI buses.  >qB > The next step is to try to get the array of devices from the PCIF > buses.  According to my book, this requires some messing around with > the system dump analyzer:  >t > $ ANAL/SYS >i$ > OpenVMS (TM) Alpha system analyzer >?& > SDA> READ SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:SYSDEFJ > %SDA-I-READSYM, 10626 symbols read from SYS$COMMON:[SYS$LDR]SYSDEF.STB;1 > SDA> FORMAT @IOC$GL_ADPLIST  >o > [ ... some output ... ]  >c> > FFFFFFFF.8144678C   ADP$L_LINK                      81446A00> > FFFFFFFF.81446790   ADP$L_TR                        00000001> > FFFFFFFF.81446794   ADP$L_ADPTYPE                   00000069 >e > [ ... bunch more output ... ]g >DB > My understanding from reading the book is that the global symbolF > IOC$GL_ADPLIST contains the head of a linked list strung together by? > the ADP$L_LINK field in each list element.  Each list elementBD > corresponds to a system bus and we can associate the list elementsH > with the buses listed by SYSMAN using the ADP$L_TR field, which shouldG > contain the same number as the TR# column above.  The idea is to walkrH > the linked list until you come to a list element whose ADP$L_TR numberG > matches the bus your device is on.  So I did this, and I came up withoG > the following list elements (where only a few interesting fields fromp  > each element are shown below): >  > IOC$GL_ADPLIST = 81446780t >H >     81446780 >     ADP$L_LINK       81446A00. >     ADP$L_TR         00000001/ >     ADP$L_ADPTYPE    00000069n >     ADP$PS_BUS_ARRAY 814468C0l >a >     81446A00 >     ADP$L_LINK       81447380e >     ADP$L_TR         00000002c >     ADP$L_ADPTYPE    00000044i >     ADP$PS_BUS_ARRAY 81446C80h >  >     81447380 >     ADP$L_LINK       814479C0  >     ADP$L_TR         00000003  >     ADP$L_ADPTYPE    000000470 >     ADP$PS_BUS_ARRAY 81447600o >  >     814479C0 >     ADP$L_LINK       81448780a >     ADP$L_TR         00000004w >     ADP$L_ADPTYPE    00000048O >     ADP$PS_BUS_ARRAY 81447C00  >  >     81448780 >     ADP$L_LINK       00000000  >     ADP$L_TR         00000005f >     ADP$L_ADPTYPE    00000044a >     ADP$PS_BUS_ARRAY 81448A00t > H > For every element of the linked list above (i.e. for every bus), thereG > is an ADP$PS_BUS_ARRAY that should contain an array of devices on thesD > bus.  Unfortunately, SDA FORMAT doesn't know what to do with these? > device arrays, so you have to EXAMINE the memory and look for G > meaningful numbers.  In the case of the ISA bus (TR#4 above), you geto > something that looks real: >o > SDA> EXAMINE 81447C00;128 7 > 00000015 06790280 00000000 814479C0  @yD.......y.....  FFFFFFFF.81447C00p7 > 00000045 53554F4D 00000000 0000000B  ........MOUSE...i FFFFFFFF.81447C10.7 > 00000000 00000000 FFFFFFFF 8365A000  ..e.............- FFFFFFFF.81447C20a7 > 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000  ................o FFFFFFFF.81447C30R7 > 00000000 00000000 81447F40 0000000C  ....@.D.........  FFFFFFFF.81447C4017 > FFFFFFFF 8365A000 00000000 0044424B  KBD.......e.....d FFFFFFFF.81447C50 7 > 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000001  ................  FFFFFFFF.81447C6007 > 81448040 00000001 00000000 00000000  ............@.D.@ FFFFFFFF.81447C70i7 > 00000000 324D4F43 00000000 00000000  ........COM2....t FFFFFFFF.81447C80K7 > 00000001 00000002 FFFFFFFF 8365A000  ..e.............@ FFFFFFFF.81447C90i7 > 54540041 00000000 00000000 814AA780  .'J.........A.TTi FFFFFFFF.81447CA0,7 > 00000000 00000000 81448240 00000003  ....@.D.........i FFFFFFFF.81447CB0w7 > FFFFFFFF 8365A000 00000000 00016450  Pd........e.....m FFFFFFFF.81447CC0s7 > 00000000 814AAA80 00000001 00000003  .........*J.....t FFFFFFFF.81447CD0lL > 81448140 00000004 54540042 00000000  ....B.TT....@.D.     FFFFFFFF.81447CE 0e7 > 00000000 3154504C 00000000 00000000  ........LPT1....t FFFFFFFF.81447CF0  > E > First, you can see that the first longword is a pointer back to thetD > corresponding ADP list element.  You can also see longword-alignedF > values that look like legitimate pointers here, as well as the ASCII8 > names of some of the devices (MOUSE, KBD, COM2, LPT1). > G > Unfortunately, for the two PCI buses (TR#2 and TR#5) the situation isw > different: >  > SDA> EXAMINE 81446C80;128 7 > 00000013 067904C0 00000000 81446A00  .jD.....@.y.....l FFFFFFFF.81446C80h7 > 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000015  ................  FFFFFFFF.81446C90  >tC > Zeros suppressed from FFFFFFFF.81446CA0 through FFFFFFFF.81446D3F  >1 > SDA> EXAMINE 81448A00;128e7 > 00000013 06790740 00000000 81448780  ..D.....@.y.....n FFFFFFFF.81448A00t7 > 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000020   ...............@ FFFFFFFF.81448A10u > C > Zeros suppressed from FFFFFFFF.81448A20 through FFFFFFFF.81448B277 >3H > The first longword in each ADP$PS_BUS_ARRAY is still a pointer back toC > the linked list element, but there's a big block of zeros where Ie* > would expect to find the device entries. >uG > So my question is: has something changed since my book was published? G > If so, is there another method of getting the interrupt vector offseti > for a device on a PCI bus? >t > TIA, >m > Chip >  > -- d > Charles  M. "Chip" Coldwells > "Turn on, log in, tune out"a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:02:27 -0500u2 From: Chip Coldwell <coldwell@physics.harvard.edu>! Subject: Re: scanning the PCI bus L Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0403101555520.21657-100000@localhost.localdomain>  ( On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Hoff Hoffman wrote:   > g > -- In article <c2m7qk$394$1@news.fas.harvard.edu>, Chip Coldwell <coldwell@frank.harvard.edu> writes:3C > :The system in question is a PWS600au running OpenVMS 7.3-1.  I'mcH > :looking for a device on the PCI bus using ANALYZE/SYSTEM.  The methodB > :I'm following comes from the book "Writing OpenVMS Alpha DeviceE > :Drivers in C" by Margie Sherlock and Leonard Szubowicz on page 22376 > :(Copyright 1996, so probably a little out of date). > :sI > :The first step is to take a look at what's on the system using SYSMAN:g > ..H > :So my question is: has something changed since my book was published? > D >   Much has changed.  The book was written largely for V6.2, and isD >   missing much of the current 64-bit kernel and I/O infrastructureA >   information.  FC, for instance, is a big addition to the I/O.c > C >   There is/was an errata document occasionally available for the  ! >   contents of the current book.  > E >   I've asked about an update, and beleive that someone may/will or sD >   has already been tapped for that work.  Digital Press will know. > ? >   The first and most obvious question is "what is your goal?"e  B My short-term goal is to be able to get the interrupt vector for aA SYSMAN IO CONNECT command to load a custom driver for the device.iB Long-term, I want to do this with an ICBM and IO AUTOCONFIGURE, ofB course.  As you and a couple of other folks have pointed out, CLUE8 CONFING is the low-impedance path to my short-term goal.   Chip   -- n Charles M. "Chip" Coldwell System Administrator Harvard Physics Department 617-495-3388   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 02:28:47 GMTe% From: Roger Ivie <rivie@ridgenet.net>n! Subject: Re: scanning the PCI buso3 Message-ID: <slrnc4vjmv.i0g.rivie@Stench.no.domain>-  M In article <Pine.LNX.4.44.0403101555520.21657-100000@localhost.localdomain>, T Chip Coldwell wrote:D > My short-term goal is to be able to get the interrupt vector for aC > SYSMAN IO CONNECT command to load a custom driver for the device. D > Long-term, I want to do this with an ICBM and IO AUTOCONFIGURE, of	 > course.   D Do you have something against SYS$SYSTEM:SYS$USER_CONFIG.DAT? That's2 the mechanism I use for all my PCI device drivers. --  
 Roger Ivie rivie@ridgenet.net3 (Rated a Category 10 Forth-Hater in the Fox scheme)s   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:55:42 GMTi& From: hoffman@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)! Subject: Re: scanning the PCI bus / Message-ID: <iLo5c.895$vT.493@news.cpqcorp.net>(  [ In article <Pine.LNX.4.44.0403101555520.21657-100000@localhost.localdomain>, Chip Coldwell r& <coldwell@physics.harvard.edu> writes:  C :Long-term, I want to do this with an ICBM and IO AUTOCONFIGURE, of3 :course.  G   I tend to prefer to use file-based configurations now, and not ICBMs.   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqeN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 00:27:09 +0000r) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org>o& Subject: Re: SIMH and TK50/TK70 tapes?> Message-ID: <Wgt3c.27571$gC2.3182@newsfe5-gui.server.ntli.net>   Lee Roth wrote:w  ? > I have an old Microvax with a TK70 tape drive that I'd reallyfB > like to get rid of... (hint: it has a low WAF - "Wife Acceptance= > Factor") but I still have some TK50 and TK70 tapes that I'meB > interested in (maybe, someday) reading the files from- they wereB > all made with VMS BACKUP. Most of the data is text, but some are > binaries.A  = Create a virtual disk of aboutn 650MB using LDDRIVER, init itn: and mount it as you would for any other ODS2 disk, restore< as many tapes as possible to it. Dismount it, and burn as an: image to CD. Mount the CD and verify that you can read it.8 Now burn it again, verify that the second CD is readable and store it somewhere else.  ) Repeat until all your tapes are archived.c  4 If you feel fancy, you can go to the extra effort of5 giving the CDs a dual ODS2/ISO9660 filesystem so thate5 the text files (must be STREAM_LF IIRC) are availableg in the ISO9660 fs.  3 Your tapes are now preserved (although I'd keep theo1 originals because I'm cautious like that :-)) and 1 you can use whatever access mechanisms your wouldi2 have used n Linux to get to the tapes on CDs, only probably with less hassle.   Antonior   --   ---------------t- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org-   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 17:52:04 GMTM4 From: "Roert G. Schaffrath" <rschaffrath@yahoo.com>% Subject: SIMH, VMS and TELNET problemi$ Message-ID: <40549BC3.1FB@yahoo.com>  G Well I finally got my V7.3 CDROM and was able to install it without any E trouble.  In addition, I was able to restore my old V5.5-2 system andeB that boots without any difficulty as well.  However, I am having a@ rather bizarre problem TELNET'ing to the SIMH simulator and I amD wondering if anyone has seen the problem.  I set the DZ device to anD available port and I am able to TELNET in the first time without anyG problem.  I get terminal TTA0 and everything works fine.  However, if I > logout and then try to login again, I get no response from theG simulator.  If I go to OPA0: and do a SHOW USERS/FU, I see "<login>" on D TTA0: so it would appear the carriage returns are getting through (ID should note; if I logout and do not press return, "<login>" does notH appear on the SHOW USERS/FU display).  Then if I do a STOP/ID on the PIDH and go back to the TELNET session, I get a "Username:" prompt as soon asC I press carriage return.  I suspect there is some setting I need to A apply via "SET TERM" but I have no idea what it might be.  I haves@ disabled AUTOBAUD and tried enabling modem control and hangup inG conjunction with "ATT DZ -am" with no luck.  Is there some setting I ameA missing?  This problem happens with both VMS V5.5-2 and VMS V7.3.    TIA, Robert   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:22:53 +0100d" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>) Subject: Re: SIMH, VMS and TELNET problemg2 Message-ID: <4054a300$0$284$626a14ce@news.free.fr>  = You mean you telnet to SIMH via modem control and not via IP?yQ I installed Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS in my SIMH and am able to telnet vO over IP many sessions without any problem, but I never thought about telneting *& via modem. Why do you want to do that?  
 Just curious.N   D.   Roert G. Schaffrath wrote:   I > Well I finally got my V7.3 CDROM and was able to install it without any8G > trouble.  In addition, I was able to restore my old V5.5-2 system andhD > that boots without any difficulty as well.  However, I am having aB > rather bizarre problem TELNET'ing to the SIMH simulator and I amF > wondering if anyone has seen the problem.  I set the DZ device to anF > available port and I am able to TELNET in the first time without anyI > problem.  I get terminal TTA0 and everything works fine.  However, if Is@ > logout and then try to login again, I get no response from theI > simulator.  If I go to OPA0: and do a SHOW USERS/FU, I see "<login>" on F > TTA0: so it would appear the carriage returns are getting through (IF > should note; if I logout and do not press return, "<login>" does notJ > appear on the SHOW USERS/FU display).  Then if I do a STOP/ID on the PIDJ > and go back to the TELNET session, I get a "Username:" prompt as soon asE > I press carriage return.  I suspect there is some setting I need tosC > apply via "SET TERM" but I have no idea what it might be.  I have'B > disabled AUTOBAUD and tried enabling modem control and hangup inI > conjunction with "ATT DZ -am" with no luck.  Is there some setting I amoC > missing?  This problem happens with both VMS V5.5-2 and VMS V7.3.a >  > TIA, > Robert   -- a2 VAXUS - Your new helpful friend in the DEC Family!2 EHQ: 19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France/       Phone: +336 7983 6418 Fax: +335 6154 1928G$                 http://www.vaxus.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:04:04 +0100 , From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>) Subject: Re: SIMH, VMS and TELNET problemR: Message-ID: <c32hbv$23fh0j$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>  A "Roert G. Schaffrath" <rschaffrath@yahoo.com> schreef in berichtd news:40549BC3.1FB@yahoo.com...I > Well I finally got my V7.3 CDROM and was able to install it without any G > trouble.  In addition, I was able to restore my old V5.5-2 system andfD > that boots without any difficulty as well.  However, I am having aB > rather bizarre problem TELNET'ing to the SIMH simulator and I amF > wondering if anyone has seen the problem.  I set the DZ device to anF > available port and I am able to TELNET in the first time without anyI > problem.  I get terminal TTA0 and everything works fine.  However, if Io@ > logout and then try to login again, I get no response from theI > simulator.  If I go to OPA0: and do a SHOW USERS/FU, I see "<login>" on F > TTA0: so it would appear the carriage returns are getting through (IF > should note; if I logout and do not press return, "<login>" does notJ > appear on the SHOW USERS/FU display).  Then if I do a STOP/ID on the PIDJ > and go back to the TELNET session, I get a "Username:" prompt as soon asE > I press carriage return.  I suspect there is some setting I need to-C > apply via "SET TERM" but I have no idea what it might be.  I havenB > disabled AUTOBAUD and tried enabling modem control and hangup inI > conjunction with "ATT DZ -am" with no luck.  Is there some setting I am-C > missing?  This problem happens with both VMS V5.5-2 and VMS V7.3.t >  > TIA, > Robert   Robert,t  G the <login> process claims the TTA0 port. The only solution I found is:h - log on on OPA0:  - $ stop/id=.....s   Hans   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 01:47:10 GMTl4 From: "Roert G. Schaffrath" <rschaffrath@yahoo.com>) Subject: Re: SIMH, VMS and TELNET problemo% Message-ID: <40550B24.7336@yahoo.com>   G Yes, I telnet directory to SIMH.  I have tried both "att dz -am 23" andn? "att dz 23" in the simulator and neither option gets around themE problem.  I may eventually try TCP/IP directly to the VMS system.  MytH V5.5-2 has an ancient multinet 3.3 stack installed and should be able toB talk to XQA0 (it is still configured for ESA0 and does not work). / However, I need to get another Ethernet card...B   Didier Morandi wrote:o > ? > You mean you telnet to SIMH via modem control and not via IP? R > I installed Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS in my SIMH and am able to telnetP > over IP many sessions without any problem, but I never thought about telneting( > via modem. Why do you want to do that? >  > Just curious.e >  > D. >  > Roert G. Schaffrath wrote:r > K > > Well I finally got my V7.3 CDROM and was able to install it without anyFI > > trouble.  In addition, I was able to restore my old V5.5-2 system and*F > > that boots without any difficulty as well.  However, I am having aD > > rather bizarre problem TELNET'ing to the SIMH simulator and I amH > > wondering if anyone has seen the problem.  I set the DZ device to anH > > available port and I am able to TELNET in the first time without anyK > > problem.  I get terminal TTA0 and everything works fine.  However, if ImB > > logout and then try to login again, I get no response from theK > > simulator.  If I go to OPA0: and do a SHOW USERS/FU, I see "<login>" onfH > > TTA0: so it would appear the carriage returns are getting through (IH > > should note; if I logout and do not press return, "<login>" does notL > > appear on the SHOW USERS/FU display).  Then if I do a STOP/ID on the PIDL > > and go back to the TELNET session, I get a "Username:" prompt as soon asG > > I press carriage return.  I suspect there is some setting I need to E > > apply via "SET TERM" but I have no idea what it might be.  I havegD > > disabled AUTOBAUD and tried enabling modem control and hangup inK > > conjunction with "ATT DZ -am" with no luck.  Is there some setting I amlE > > missing?  This problem happens with both VMS V5.5-2 and VMS V7.3.  > >s > > TIA,
 > > Robert >  > --4 > VAXUS - Your new helpful friend in the DEC Family!4 > EHQ: 19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France1 >       Phone: +336 7983 6418 Fax: +335 6154 1928t& >                 http://www.vaxus.org   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 01:19:37 GMTr> From: Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com> Subject: SMTP filtersWA Message-ID: <J8P3c.1464$XA4.441215162@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>   F Is it possible to configure SMTP mail to NOT bounce messages when the G user is not found?  Normally the FROM is bogus.... and I don't want to  1 bounce it because it usually bounces back to me..4   Michael Austin   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2004 22:20:51 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: SMTP filtersa3 Message-ID: <wb98H8gEF5nT@eisner.encompasserve.org>o   In article <J8P3c.1464$XA4.441215162@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com> writes:H > Is it possible to configure SMTP mail to NOT bounce messages when the I > user is not found?  Normally the FROM is bogus.... and I don't want to  3 > bounce it because it usually bounces back to me..h  D Independent of VMS, well managed SMTP systems will Reject during the4 SMTP dialog rather than bounce the message later on.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:32:32 +0000 (UTC)-6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: SMTP filters50 Message-ID: <newscache$qoqeuh$lcl$1@news.sil.at>   In article <J8P3c.1464$XA4.441215162@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com> writes:G >Is it possible to configure SMTP mail to NOT bounce messages when the  H >user is not found?  Normally the FROM is bogus.... and I don't want to 2 >bounce it because it usually bounces back to me..   Yup.K When you reject mails (instead of accepting first, checking addresses them,nN anti-SPAM them, virus-check and finally bouncing them) on the first mailserverF reachable from the internet. (Unfortunately, firewalls are very rarelyL acceptable - despite good - mailservers). Means, let the internet connect toJ your VMS Mailserver directly (consider also the IDENTD/AUTH TCP-Port 113).  L Accepting mail first means you also accept the mail delivery problem solvingL responsibility which you obviously (like every other manager) want to avoid.   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERo% Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:40:20 +0000 (UTC)76 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: SMTP filtersp0 Message-ID: <newscache$q1reuh$lcl$1@news.sil.at>  n In article <e1d40caf.0403102301.3d785aff@posting.google.com>, dieter.rossbach@gmx.de (dieter rossbach) writes:\ >JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<404FD5B9.AC211DCB@istop.com>... >> -L >> However, VMS username resolution/verification is done separately once theB >> received message has been queued and processed by the symbiont. >hB >This is one of the main disadvantages of the VMS Smtp-Server: TheF >message is transfered completely to my VMS system before any check isB >done. This causes a lot of problems with spam to unkown user: theF >message cannot be rejected because the sender is faked or even worse,F >is send back to somebody who didn't send it, I had to much traffic on >my line because of that.s   This is NOT the fault of VMS.sL Use Madgoat's MX as the SMTP Server (on top of TCPIP or TCPware or Multinet)# and you will note the difference...t   -- n Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERf% Network and OpenVMS system specialista E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 06:20:02 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>s Subject: RE: SMTP filters 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIEEOICOAA.tom@kednos.com>n     -----Original Message-----7   From: dieter rossbach [mailto:dieter.rossbach@gmx.de]a*   Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 11:01 PM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn   Subject: Re: SMTP filtersr    7   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message.'   news:<404FD5B9.AC211DCB@istop.com>....   > 9   > However, VMS username resolution/verification is donel   separately once thesC   > received message has been queued and processed by the symbiont.i  C   This is one of the main disadvantages of the VMS Smtp-Server: The G   message is transfered completely to my VMS system before any check isuC   done. This causes a lot of problems with spam to unkown user: theoG   message cannot be rejected because the sender is faked or even worse,/G   is send back to somebody who didn't send it, I had to much traffic ons'   my line because of that. My solution:s  G   Debian + Exim4 + spamassassin and a small /etc/aliases is now used as.G   my first email gateway. Exim4 checks the user where the MAIL FROM andeD   RCPT TO message as soon as they are read over the line and rejectsF   everything that does not apply to my rules. Every other message goesA   to my internal SMTP-Server on my Alpha, my users do not see thecF   difference and I redunced smtp traffic and SPAM by about 90%. ( I do9   not accept attachments with exe, vbs, com etc. as well)   H   VMS TCPIP SMTPs concept is OK for mail from save sources but wrong for    systems bound to the internet.  @ Which is why I switched to MX, which likewise reduced the volume considerably     Dieter     ---r(   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B   Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004   --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:01:26 -0600f( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> Subject: Re: SMTP filters / Message-ID: <00A2EAE0.A9B85C9B.7@tachysoft.com>l  / >From: dieter.rossbach@gmx.de (dieter rossbach)n >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms >Subject: Re: SMTP filters! >Date: 10 Mar 2004 23:01:21 -0800i  \ >JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<404FD5B9.AC211DCB@istop.com>... >> .L >> However, VMS username resolution/verification is done separately once theB >> received message has been queued and processed by the symbiont. > B >This is one of the main disadvantages of the VMS Smtp-Server: TheF >message is transfered completely to my VMS system before any check isB >done. This causes a lot of problems with spam to unkown user: theF >message cannot be rejected because the sender is faked or even worse,F >is send back to somebody who didn't send it, I had to much traffic on& >my line because of that. My solution: >hF >Debian + Exim4 + spamassassin and a small /etc/aliases is now used asF >my first email gateway. Exim4 checks the user where the MAIL FROM andC >RCPT TO message as soon as they are read over the line and rejectsNE >everything that does not apply to my rules. Every other message goesC@ >to my internal SMTP-Server on my Alpha, my users do not see theE >difference and I redunced smtp traffic and SPAM by about 90%. ( I doo8 >not accept attachments with exe, vbs, com etc. as well) >/G >VMS TCPIP SMTPs concept is OK for mail from save sources but wrong foru >systems bound to the internet.  >s    M All you have to do is turn off the smtp in the tcp stack and use MX instead. GL I recommend this in any case.  The superior spam handling is just one of the	 benefits.oO =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   lO =============================================================================== B Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?", 	Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:56:50 GMT*& From: Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com> Subject: Re: SMTP filterse< Message-ID: <mT04c.8955$554.2314@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>   Michael Austin wrote:e  H > Is it possible to configure SMTP mail to NOT bounce messages when the I > user is not found?  Normally the FROM is bogus.... and I don't want to a3 > bounce it because it usually bounces back to me..> >  > Michael Austin >   , Wow. This is like deja vous, all over again! The bad news is you can't.C The good news is, soon you'll be able to drop invalid users in the  G initial SMTP exchange. Thanks to Karol Zielonko at HP. He sent me this a in Jan:g  M > I'm not sure which one of you was the original poster but I've enhanced the  > receiver to do just that.  > So now if you get mail tom >  >  RCPT TO:<jones@yourhost.com>s > P > and jones isn't a valid user (and isn't forwarded off your system and isn't an, > SMTP mailing list name and...) you'll get: > 9 >  550 <<jones@yourhost.com>> ... Addressee undeliverable/ > N > The check was non-trivial. It's not just a valid username we're looking for. > R > Anyway. Just letting you know. The change will be part of ECO 1 for V5.4 and SSB: > for 5.5. And no I don't know when ECO 1 will be out. ;^) > P > BTW. By default, for 5.4 the new feature will not be turned on. You'll need toO > turn it on with a switch. This because technically this change is risky and Io( > didn't want to break current behavior. >  > Karol ZielonkoR > ********************************************************************************     --     Have VMS, Will Travel  Wire paladin, San Franciscou   (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2004 10:16:36 -0800& From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) Subject: Re: SMTP filters = Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0403111016.7c989d58@posting.google.com>h  n peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote in message news:<newscache$qoqeuh$lcl$1@news.sil.at>... > In article <J8P3c.1464$XA4.441215162@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com> writes:I > >Is it possible to configure SMTP mail to NOT bounce messages when the  J > >user is not found?  Normally the FROM is bogus.... and I don't want to 4 > >bounce it because it usually bounces back to me.. >  > Yup.M > When you reject mails (instead of accepting first, checking addresses them,PP > anti-SPAM them, virus-check and finally bouncing them) on the first mailserverH > reachable from the internet. (Unfortunately, firewalls are very rarelyN > acceptable - despite good - mailservers). Means, let the internet connect toL > your VMS Mailserver directly (consider also the IDENTD/AUTH TCP-Port 113). > N > Accepting mail first means you also accept the mail delivery problem solvingN > responsibility which you obviously (like every other manager) want to avoid.  C So the real question is when can we expect this shortcoming of HP'sr> SMTP service on VMS to be remedied?  Given the continuing (andE expanding) problems caused by high volumes of spam and spoofed mail IdE would hope that such improvements have been given a certain priority.k  E Although I'd like to look at PMDF or MX, there is no budget for that,:@ and to be honest hanging a peecee in front of the VMS systems weE support to 'protect them' from shortcomings is rather dis-satisfying.    Rich Jordane CCSC   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:39:25 +0000 (UTC)a6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: SMTP filtersE0 Message-ID: <newscache$3wtfuh$4mn$1@news.sil.at>  f In article <cc5619f2.0403111016.7c989d58@posting.google.com>, jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) writes:D >So the real question is when can we expect this shortcoming of HP's? >SMTP service on VMS to be remedied?  Given the continuing (andSF >expanding) problems caused by high volumes of spam and spoofed mail IF >would hope that such improvements have been given a certain priority.  . I just read that it comes in TCPIP V5.4 ECO 1.  F >Although I'd like to look at PMDF or MX, there is no budget for that,A >and to be honest hanging a peecee in front of the VMS systems wesF >support to 'protect them' from shortcomings is rather dis-satisfying.  = No budget for MX ? Pay it from your coffee box ;-) It is $499l   -- s Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERt% Network and OpenVMS system specialisto E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 01:20:25 GMT 2 From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jerry.braga@noreply.com> Subject: Re: SMTP filtersnG Message-ID: <tf84c.3245$hqP1.1435@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>l   What version of MX ?  5 "Wayne Sewell" <wayne@tachysoft.com> wrote in message.) news:00A2EAE0.A9B85C9B.7@tachysoft.com... 1 > >From: dieter.rossbach@gmx.de (dieter rossbach)  > >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms > >Subject: Re: SMTP filters# > >Date: 10 Mar 2004 23:01:21 -0800s >i8 > >JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message% news:<404FD5B9.AC211DCB@istop.com>...s > >>J > >> However, VMS username resolution/verification is done separately once theOD > >> received message has been queued and processed by the symbiont. > >TD > >This is one of the main disadvantages of the VMS Smtp-Server: TheH > >message is transfered completely to my VMS system before any check isD > >done. This causes a lot of problems with spam to unkown user: theH > >message cannot be rejected because the sender is faked or even worse,H > >is send back to somebody who didn't send it, I had to much traffic on( > >my line because of that. My solution: > >_H > >Debian + Exim4 + spamassassin and a small /etc/aliases is now used asH > >my first email gateway. Exim4 checks the user where the MAIL FROM andE > >RCPT TO message as soon as they are read over the line and rejectsFG > >everything that does not apply to my rules. Every other message goes8B > >to my internal SMTP-Server on my Alpha, my users do not see theG > >difference and I redunced smtp traffic and SPAM by about 90%. ( I do : > >not accept attachments with exe, vbs, com etc. as well) > > I > >VMS TCPIP SMTPs concept is OK for mail from save sources but wrong forB! > >systems bound to the internet.e > >F >8 >AE > All you have to do is turn off the smtp in the tcp stack and use MX  instead.J > I recommend this in any case.  The superior spam handling is just one of the  > benefits.  >FL ============================================================================ ===t: > Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738 wayne@tachysoft.com : > http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html >tL ============================================================================ === D > Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?"- > Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"a   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 01:23:20 GMTA2 From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jerry.braga@noreply.com> Subject: Re: SMTP filtersIF Message-ID: <ci84c.3314$hqP1.237@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  , Do the 5.4 ECO1 fixes mean you don't need MX  + or is the investment in MX still worth it ?   C "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message0* news:newscache$3wtfuh$4mn$1@news.sil.at...? > In article <cc5619f2.0403111016.7c989d58@posting.google.com>,b( jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) writes:F > >So the real question is when can we expect this shortcoming of HP'sA > >SMTP service on VMS to be remedied?  Given the continuing (andnH > >expanding) problems caused by high volumes of spam and spoofed mail IH > >would hope that such improvements have been given a certain priority. >v0 > I just read that it comes in TCPIP V5.4 ECO 1. > H > >Although I'd like to look at PMDF or MX, there is no budget for that,C > >and to be honest hanging a peecee in front of the VMS systems weeH > >support to 'protect them' from shortcomings is rather dis-satisfying. >l? > No budget for MX ? Pay it from your coffee box ;-) It is $499  >$ > --   > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERR' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 12:20:32 +0100B- From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de>D Subject: Re: SMTP filters 9 Message-ID: <c2s6e2$20vcrm$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>0   Jerry Alan Braga wrote:Y/ > "Wayne Sewell" <wayne@tachysoft.com> wrote... F >> All you have to do is turn off the smtp in the tcp stack and use MXE >> instead. I recommend this in any case.  The superior spam handling  >> is just one of the benefits.  >$ > What version of MX ?  A I'd suspect Wayne refers to the commercial version of MX which is H at version 5.3 ECO9 now. See http://www.madgoat.com/mx.html for details.   cu,a   Martin -- R@   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deeF    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 21:38:55 +0000 (UTC)06 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: SMTP filters50 Message-ID: <newscache$37ghuh$r1r$1@news.sil.at>  { In article <ci84c.3314$hqP1.237@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "Jerry Alan Braga" <jerry.braga@noreply.com> writes:0- >Do the 5.4 ECO1 fixes mean you don't need MX0  G If ECO1 brings what Karol meant it will bring, then you don't miss thisF5 feature any longer. But what if not soon ? And when ?F  , >or is the investment in MX still worth it ?  / MX was and is worth it since over a decade now.1H And maybe at some time TCPIP will narrow the gap (TCPware has advantages. over TCPIP but still has a gap to MX to fill).  G But MX is slowing its progress unfortunately. Last new version was 2002.K (but last new ECO was this year) and so it gets easier and easier for TCPIP., to close up (but it still may take a while).    I One of the bigger advantages of MX for me in my previous company was thatAG it was stack independant and we used TCPware (on the servers) and TCPIP8E (on the satellites [and standalones]) in the same cluster. And MX ran4J on top of both with a clusterwide config. And DCPS made the printer queuesJ stack independant, so switching IP stacks (to hunt down the yet another IP$ problem) was a matter of one reboot.   YMMV   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERo% Network and OpenVMS system specialista E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 20:12:19 GMT,> From: Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com> Subject: Re: SMTP filters8A Message-ID: <D035c.1785$HE4.600786026@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>.    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:  h > In article <cc5619f2.0403111016.7c989d58@posting.google.com>, jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) writes: > E >>So the real question is when can we expect this shortcoming of HP's3@ >>SMTP service on VMS to be remedied?  Given the continuing (andG >>expanding) problems caused by high volumes of spam and spoofed mail I8G >>would hope that such improvements have been given a certain priority.8 >  > 0 > I just read that it comes in TCPIP V5.4 ECO 1. >  > G >>Although I'd like to look at PMDF or MX, there is no budget for that,eB >>and to be honest hanging a peecee in front of the VMS systems weG >>support to 'protect them' from shortcomings is rather dis-satisfying.s >  > ? > No budget for MX ? Pay it from your coffee box ;-) It is $499  >   A Is there a free "hobbiest" license for this? My box is at home...    Michael Austin   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:57:36 -0600e( From: Rich Jordan <duodec@speakeasy.net> Subject: Re: SMTP filters.2 Message-ID: <XBadnUN1fa3He8nd3cwC-w@speakeasy.net>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:h > In article <cc5619f2.0403111016.7c989d58@posting.google.com>, jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) writes: > E >>So the real question is when can we expect this shortcoming of HP'se@ >>SMTP service on VMS to be remedied?  Given the continuing (andG >>expanding) problems caused by high volumes of spam and spoofed mail ISG >>would hope that such improvements have been given a certain priority.l >  > 0 > I just read that it comes in TCPIP V5.4 ECO 1. >    That would be nice.    > G >>Although I'd like to look at PMDF or MX, there is no budget for that,sB >>and to be honest hanging a peecee in front of the VMS systems weG >>support to 'protect them' from shortcomings is rather dis-satisfying.  >  > ? > No budget for MX ? Pay it from your coffee box ;-) It is $499i >   F As much as I'd like that for home use, $500 is a lot for my own hobby G system.  Plus we have 7 folks in office, only 3 drink coffee, and most sI of our customers are those small to middling sorts that HP would so love u to be rid of in the VMS market.a  D I do keep MX under consideration for home use, but that really is a  chunk of change...   Rich   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2004 19:00:32 -0800C From: gconstantinides@myrealbox.com (gconstantinides@myrealbox.com)h Subject: SMTP Welcome messageN= Message-ID: <d28edccd.0403101900.3df71675@posting.google.com>o   Hi all,w  H I am running OpenVMS V7.2-2 and TCPIP V5.3 ECO 2 on an Alphaserver 1200.  B When I initiate an SMTP connection, the following message appears:  P "220 <node.domain.name> V5.3-18E, OpenVMS V7.2-2 Alpha ready at <date and time>"  K This message is too long and in any case gives away more information that I-5 would be happy with. The equivalent Linux message is:m   "220 <node.domain.name> ESMTP"  9 Is there a way I can control the content of this message?.     Thanks in advancea   GC   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 12:22:49 GMTa+ From: "Macallan" <ian_macallan@hotmail.com> ! Subject: Re: SMTP Welcome messager2 Message-ID: <tSY3c.35627$Or1.29161@news.chello.at>  4         Why do you consider the message is too long.$         SMTP Announce can be longer.         According to RFC 2821:       domainD           The maximum total length of a domain name or number is 255           characters.r        reply line K           The maximum total length of a reply line including the reply codesD           and the <CRLF> is 512 characters.  More information may be1           conveyed through multiple-line replies.c         text line I           The maximum total length of a text line including the <CRLF> isiF           1000 characters (not counting the leading dot duplicated forI           transparency).  This number may be increased by the use of SMTPt           Service Extensions.F  : <gconstantinides@myrealbox.com> a crit dans le message de7 news:d28edccd.0403101900.3df71675@posting.google.com...-	 > Hi all,i >uJ > I am running OpenVMS V7.2-2 and TCPIP V5.3 ECO 2 on an Alphaserver 1200. >OD > When I initiate an SMTP connection, the following message appears: >rK > "220 <node.domain.name> V5.3-18E, OpenVMS V7.2-2 Alpha ready at <date andn time>" >EK > This message is too long and in any case gives away more information that1 Ia7 > would be happy with. The equivalent Linux message is:i >o  > "220 <node.domain.name> ESMTP" > ; > Is there a way I can control the content of this message?n >. >> > Thanks in advance  >  > GC   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 09:15:41 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>! Subject: Re: SMTP Welcome messageo) Message-ID: <4050748D.A1AD1886@istop.com>t   Macallan wrote:a > 6 >         Why do you consider the message is too long.  L It may not be a question of length as it could be a question of the user notN wanting to advertise the operating system and version of SMTP server. Should aK vulnerability by publiscized for this compbination, hackers would know youru site is vulnerable..   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 05:46:24 -0500h* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>8 Subject: SNMP newbie question: description of all OIDs ?) Message-ID: <404EF1C2.8D339188@istop.com>e  N Ok, I installed new "hacked" software on my hetgear router which gives me SNMPN functionality. I've been able to extract all of the OIDs  with a snmp_request  getnext -l command.   J But how do I go about finding out what each of those OIDs actually mean ?   
 for instance:c. 1.3.6.1.4.1.890.1.2.7.1.1.8.1  user@domain.com  M Yeah, I can figure that this variable is the username to use when espatishing-L those pesky PPPoE sessions.  But If I didn't know what it meant, how would IG go about finding out what it was ? Must I consult multiple RFC files to J manually traverse the tree, or is there some central registry when you canH punch in the complete number and get a direct answer for that particular
 variable ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 18:13:28 -0500e  From: nobody <nobody@nobody.org>< Subject: Re: SNMP newbie question: description of all OIDs ?* Message-ID: <404FA10B.8B4E55CD@nobody.org>   Winfried Bergmann" wrote:n  L >Check the MIB of the agent. Most of the time, the OIDs are commented in the >"Description" field.   I Thanks. I went to the zyxel web site and did find the zyxel entensions tos4 RFC1215 which contain the basic SNTP MIP definition.  5 > Ask your SNMP manager (your "getnext" command?)  toOL >read the description of the OID (reads the description field from the MIB).  J is snmp_request this only "manager" tool available out-of-the-box on VMS ?M That tool doesn't seem to be able to translate the long series of diguts intof intelligible text.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:35:34 GMTs" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG/ Subject: Re: SSH, X11 forwarding and TCPIP V5.4i0 Message-ID: <00A2EB28.7F60813E@SendSpamHere.ORG>  v In article <d474c.724$GQ3.371@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@earthlink.nospamme> writes:G >I have very little experience with SSH so I'm looking for someone who V >has the details worked out !o >tH >We have TCPIP V5.4 installed which include ssh and ssh_server (not the F >EAK).  The docs clearly state that the "standard" -x switch will not  >work for X11 forwarding.5 >0E >So how do I tell PuTTY to tell VMS I want my X11 packets forwarded ?    Easy, you install Multinet!t   --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.o -- lK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMo            f5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" w   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:00:09 GMTo3 From: Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@earthlink.nospamme>o+ Subject: SSH, X11 forwarding and TCPIP V5.4i@ Message-ID: <d474c.724$GQ3.371@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>  F I have very little experience with SSH so I'm looking for someone who  has the details worked out !  G We have TCPIP V5.4 installed which include ssh and ssh_server (not the TE EAK).  The docs clearly state that the "standard" -x switch will not o work for X11 forwarding.  D So how do I tell PuTTY to tell VMS I want my X11 packets forwarded ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:06:16 +0100t- From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de>d/ Subject: Re: SSH, X11 forwarding and TCPIP V5.4o9 Message-ID: <c2rr1p$21mq5a$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>e   Jack Patteeuw wrote:G > I have very little experience with SSH so I'm looking for someone whoa > has the details worked out ! > H > We have TCPIP V5.4 installed which include ssh and ssh_server (not theF > EAK).  The docs clearly state that the "standard" -x switch will not > work for X11 forwarding. > F > So how do I tell PuTTY to tell VMS I want my X11 packets forwarded ?    In PuTTY's configuration screen,  - 1) switch the connection protocol to SSH, andA  > 2) go to the Connection/SSH/Tunnels tag, and check "Enable X11D forwarding", specifying an "X display location" on which an X server: is listening ("localhost:0" should be okay in most cases).  @ On the server side, I assume that you have correctly set up your: SSH server (e.g. enabled the service, created a host key).  @ Unfortunately, the TCP/IP Services description of the SSH server@ configuration file [1] looks a little dis-formatted. The file isD SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$SSH.SSH2]SSHD2_CONFIG. The feature that must be4 enabled (i.e. set to "yes") is "AllowX11Forwarding".  ? All that said, I haven't yet tried it (at least not with UCX) -5% that's just the way it _should_ work.a   Hope it helps,   Martin    H [1] http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732final/aa-rvbua-te/00/00/44-con.html --  @   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de F    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2004 09:11:19 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski): Subject: Sun nearing bankruptcy ... better buy VMS Andrew!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0403100911.502364e8@posting.google.com>n  1 according to this, things are not looking good ati3 Sun ... while you have an extra 300 million Andrew,b/ why not buy VMS and put the linux market out ofo business for good?  ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14614m   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:20:22 -0500h( From: "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail.com>> Subject: Re: Sun nearing bankruptcy ... better buy VMS Andrew!* Message-ID: <404f4e82@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Bob,3 Why do you bother with this sort of  troll entries?-G What is the pleasure in making fun of the troubles/struggles of others?  How will that help VMS?  Why poke at Andrew explicitly? Why clone theinquirer topics?.H ( Those that get excited by it are surely already reading it there first hand. )l   Sign me 'dissapointed',t Regards, Hein.a    5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messageg7 news:d7791aa1.0403100911.502364e8@posting.google.com...r3 > according to this, things are not looking good ata5 > Sun ... while you have an extra 300 million Andrew,n1 > why not buy VMS and put the linux market out oft > business for good? >t+ > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14614s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:22:24 -0800 * From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>> Subject: Re: Sun nearing bankruptcy ... better buy VMS Andrew!2 Message-ID: <QJOdnZxc7NXMItLdRVn-iQ@mpowercom.net>  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 7 news:d7791aa1.0403100911.502364e8@posting.google.com... 3 > according to this, things are not looking good ati5 > Sun ... while you have an extra 300 million Andrew,t1 > why not buy VMS and put the linux market out ofo > business for good? >lG This "revelation" comes from a race tout^W^W stock analyst.  In general.K their credibility ranks somewhat below that of astrologer.  However, I willsE consult the I Ching as soon as possible to see if it agrees with thisz prognostication of doom.   Jack Peacock   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2004 06:44:46 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)> Subject: Re: Sun nearing bankruptcy ... better buy VMS Andrew!< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0403110644.ea7ae6d@posting.google.com>  Z "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail.com> wrote in message news:<404f4e82@usenet01.boi.hp.com>... > Bob,5 > Why do you bother with this sort of  troll entries? I > What is the pleasure in making fun of the troubles/struggles of others?n > How will that help VMS?   > Why poke at Andrew explicitly? > Why clone theinquirer topics?iJ > ( Those that get excited by it are surely already reading it there first	 > hand. )t >  > Sign me 'dissapointed',s
 > Regards, > Hein.e  > you are going to defend a company whose ceo openly cheered and" celebrated alpha being killed?  :(   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:11:28 -0500r* From: "rob kas" <rob@paychoice.com.noSPAM>> Subject: Re: Sun nearing bankruptcy ... better buy VMS Andrew!0 Message-ID: <10510cus6vm6uae@corp.supernews.com>  6 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 6 news:d7791aa1.0403110644.ea7ae6d@posting.google.com...6 > "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail.com> wrote in message ( > news:<404f4e82@usenet01.boi.hp.com>... >> Bob, 6 >> Why do you bother with this sort of  troll entries?J >> What is the pleasure in making fun of the troubles/struggles of others? >> How will that help VMS?! >> Why poke at Andrew explicitly?-  >> Why clone theinquirer topics?K >> ( Those that get excited by it are surely already reading it there firstc
 >> hand. ) >> >> Sign me 'dissapointed', >> Regards,O >> Hein. >.@ > you are going to defend a company whose ceo openly cheered and$ > celebrated alpha being killed?  :(      ,     Mmmm Do you mean Digital , Compaq or HP?      &                                    Rob   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:14:38 GMTc9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>w> Subject: Re: Sun nearing bankruptcy ... better buy VMS Andrew!/ Message-ID: <Of04c.714$zA3.30@news.cpqcorp.net>o  5 "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> wrote in messager  I > This "revelation" comes from a race tout^W^W stock analyst.  In generaleH > their credibility ranks somewhat below that of astrologer.  However, I willG > consult the I Ching as soon as possible to see if it agrees with thism > prognostication of doom.  J Well...  While that might apply to commentary in the Inquirer - the rating: of debt has a little more structure and reality around it.  E As I've said in the past, Sun is in a lot of respects an echo of whataH happened at DEC.  I have contended (while tipping a pint) that DEC mightJ have recovered and rebounded had it "stayed the course" - it had somethingL like $4 billion in cash, almost no debt, and was losing money at a rate that= it could have gone many years before it ran out of cash.  TheuE "restructuring" cost more money than we were losing.  Sun hasn't beeneL profitable in 2-3 years, and it is showing the strain - it's stock price andF debt ratings reflect it.  The question is if they can adapt to the new7 environment quickly enough to turn the business around.t  I They are moving quickly to try and adopt AMD as a quick fix to the costlyVL Sparc strategy.  Can they move quickly enough?  One thing that helps them isJ that nobody seems to want to try and buy them out for their customer base.L I'd guess it's a case of perhaps anti-trust, and perhaps the assumption thatF they will impode on their own and the customers will leave anyway, and; taking over Sun isn't a guarantee of keeping the customers.    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Mar 2004 20:27:35 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)> Subject: Re: Sun nearing bankruptcy ... better buy VMS Andrew!: Message-ID: <c2qi3m$1vu9ck$2@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>  0 In article <10510cus6vm6uae@corp.supernews.com>,- 	"rob kas" <rob@paychoice.com.noSPAM> writes:c > 8 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 8 > news:d7791aa1.0403110644.ea7ae6d@posting.google.com... >>A >> you are going to defend a company whose ceo openly cheered ande% >> celebrated alpha being killed?  :(g >  >  > . >     Mmmm Do you mean Digital , Compaq or HP? >  >   Yes!!  :-)s   bill   -- hJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   e   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2004 16:57:11 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)> Subject: Re: Sun nearing bankruptcy ... better buy VMS Andrew!= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0403111657.5cd9f450@posting.google.com>   l bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message news:<d7791aa1.0403110644.ea7ae6d@posting.google.com>...\ > "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail.com> wrote in message news:<404f4e82@usenet01.boi.hp.com>... > > Bob,7 > > Why do you bother with this sort of  troll entries?oK > > What is the pleasure in making fun of the troubles/struggles of others?E > > How will that help VMS? " > > Why poke at Andrew explicitly?! > > Why clone theinquirer topics?bL > > ( Those that get excited by it are surely already reading it there first > > hand. )u > >  > > Sign me 'dissapointed',M > > Regards,	 > > Hein.o > @ > you are going to defend a company whose ceo openly cheered and$ > celebrated alpha being killed?  :(  > 1.) Well, at least he didn't use that awful-sounding synonym.    2.) But Andrew outclasses Bob.  E 3.) Andrew, please don't respond. Maybe doing that will put an end toS this endless trolling.  < 4.) I can't believe I actually starting reading this thread.  7 5.) I can't believe anyone else is reading this thread!w   6.) Enough already.   D 7.) So Bob, what do you think of VMS, Solaris, Sun, and Andrew?  :-) :-) :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 15:29:21 -0500f* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>> Subject: Re: Sun nearing bankruptcy ... better buy VMS Andrew!) Message-ID: <4054C09F.727ADA32@istop.com>    Fred Kleinsorge wrote:L > Well...  While that might apply to commentary in the Inquirer - the rating< > of debt has a little more structure and reality around it.  4 But it is still subject to a lot of editorial bias.   N If you decide to re-evaluate a company during a period where the company isn'tN doing so well, then yes, you'll find the rating probably goes down. But if youJ believe the company will emerge from this difficult period, then you won'tT re-evaluate its debt rating because you know that in a while things will get better.  I And there, there are rating companies that have agendas. For instance, incL Canada, the Dominion Bond Rating Service was/is a company that had a missionK to lower ratings of any/all companies and governmenst based in Qubec. TheyiL were very quick to lower a company's rating and made sure their announcementN was heard, but one never heard about improved ratings coming from DBRS, unlessN the company was based outside Qubec. While such political/racial bias may notK apply to Sun's case, it does show that a rating service can have an agenda.C  N And if a rating service doesn't like Sun, it is extremely easy for it to blast& Sun left and right whenever they want.  M I find it interesting that the "analysts" aren't downgrading HP big time withm! all the uncertainty around IA64. C  M If you have more cash than you have debts, I don't see why any rating serviceo could lower your rating.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 21:41:50 GMTi# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> > Subject: Re: Sun nearing bankruptcy ... better buy VMS Andrew!I Message-ID: <yk45c.4159$lnp1.975@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messages# news:4054C09F.727ADA32@istop.com...  > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:G > > Well...  While that might apply to commentary in the Inquirer - they rating> > > of debt has a little more structure and reality around it. >n5 > But it is still subject to a lot of editorial bias.s >wJ > If you decide to re-evaluate a company during a period where the company isn't L > doing so well, then yes, you'll find the rating probably goes down. But if youtL > believe the company will emerge from this difficult period, then you won'tJ > re-evaluate its debt rating because you know that in a while things will get better.e >bK > And there, there are rating companies that have agendas. For instance, inoF > Canada, the Dominion Bond Rating Service was/is a company that had a missionoH > to lower ratings of any/all companies and governmenst based in Qubec. TheyA > were very quick to lower a company's rating and made sure theirs announcementI > was heard, but one never heard about improved ratings coming from DBRS,n unlessL > the company was based outside Qubec. While such political/racial bias may notyE > apply to Sun's case, it does show that a rating service can have an= agenda.= >=J > And if a rating service doesn't like Sun, it is extremely easy for it to blastp( > Sun left and right whenever they want. > J > I find it interesting that the "analysts" aren't downgrading HP big time with" > all the uncertainty around IA64. >dG > If you have more cash than you have debts, I don't see why any rating. services > could lower your rating.    H Rating agencies change ratings based on their assessment of a particularI company's *expected* condition/performance over a certain period of time,dJ usually the next 2 years or so. Those expectations take into considerationJ cash on-hand, cash flow from operations, debt servicing requirements, ccahH 'burn rate', expectations of business prospects for that company and the? industry it operates in, management considerations, new productk introductions, and so on.   K The rating is reflective of the relative safety of the payments required toh? be made on existing bond, prefered share, or bank indebtedness.l  K It is not an indictment of the technical merits of a company's products per(L se, but more a critique of management's ability to get customers to purchaseF the company's product in the market conditions which currently and areE expected to prevail, and of management's ability to control costs andm, maintain the company's competitive position.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 17:16:51 -0500A* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>> Subject: Re: Sun nearing bankruptcy ... better buy VMS Andrew!) Message-ID: <4054D9CD.8579E108@istop.com>    John Smith wrote:eM > The rating is reflective of the relative safety of the payments required tooA > be made on existing bond, prefered share, or bank indebtedness.*  N Just like Wall Street Casino Analysts who decide what the want to say and thenK support it with the facts that support their decisions, the same applies to- rating agencies.  N Heck, even Gartner's reports are unbiased and backed with facts and reflect onJ the relative safety of one solution or the other in the future. But we all5 know that their predictions aren't exactlty unbiased.o  L I the particular case of Sun, is it rigth to question their future relevanceL in the industry ? Perhaps. They are a one horse pony show with just Solaris.J But they have a huge installed base in the Unix market. If they play their1 cards right, they can maintain that market share.f  L Wall Street has to stop expecting or demanding growth in the IT industry. ItG is now an established industry and sales are now mostly replacementy ofsK exsiting hardware. There may be a comin wave of replacements similar to Y2KhF when people are "forced" by public image/pressure to upgrade to 64 bit. wintels. But again, that is a one time thing.   G In the enterprise sector, I suspect that Sun HP and IBM will, like beereJ manufacturers, try to steal each other's business because the pie won't be growing significantly.  M While Wall Street has been basing its analysis purely on growth (which is whypL they thought the .COM companies were so great even though they never had anyK hope of being profitable, as long as they grew, they could issue more stockiJ and continue to exist). Now, they'll have to return to reality and look at2 business plans for non-growth and good management.  G In that sense, Sun is less mature than HP and IBM and its adaptation toh> non-growth will be harder. Gateway and Dell are also adapting.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:21:17 GMTp# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>g> Subject: Re: Sun nearing bankruptcy ... better buy VMS Andrew!F Message-ID: <xZi5c.7519$faP.4175@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messagec# news:4054D9CD.8579E108@istop.com...w > John Smith wrote:eL > > The rating is reflective of the relative safety of the payments required toC > > be made on existing bond, prefered share, or bank indebtedness.  >eK > Just like Wall Street Casino Analysts who decide what the want to say andh thenJ > support it with the facts that support their decisions, the same applies to > rating agencies.  K I'm not going to get in politics with you on this - let's just say that the E actions you ascribe to which occurred during the the period of Quebec I neverendums were entirely justified by the rating agencies. And as to howfL the markets themselves reacted to those events, Markets and investors do NOTL like political uncertainty, and there was more than enough of that in QuebecJ at the time - the rating agencies bond ratings were more than justified by$ the facts. It's time to get over it.      E > Heck, even Gartner's reports are unbiased and backed with facts and-
 reflect onL > the relative safety of one solution or the other in the future. But we all7 > know that their predictions aren't exactlty unbiased.s >-D > I the particular case of Sun, is it rigth to question their future	 relevanceoE > in the industry ? Perhaps. They are a one horse pony show with just0 Solaris.L > But they have a huge installed base in the Unix market. If they play their3 > cards right, they can maintain that market share.f  J And the way they will do that is to develop and market a value propositionB that can then be sold to customers - and when I say 'sold'  I meanJ effectively marketed. Sun has a history of being able to sell 'snake oil',L or as others have pointed out to me in marketing lessons - if you're sellingK shit you have to reposition it into something more acceptable like "manure"T0 or "fertilizer" and then charge a premium price.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2004 02:11:02 -0800' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson)n Subject: Re: Sun On The Run?= Message-ID: <734da31c.0403100211.2ecf6ed9@posting.google.com>i   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c2i1p2$pob$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...l > Rob Young wrote: > > In article <c2hpjr$mtb$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > >  > >>Daryl Jones wrote: > >  > >  > >>>Second: > >>>yI > >>>What is being done to SUN by LINUX it is the same thing SUN has beenoJ > >>>doing to HP, IBM, Compaq, and others and vise versa. Take over a DataI > >>>Center by initially cutting its prices and then later boosting them. ' > >>>Business as usual in the IT world.i > >>>s > >>  > >>Provide examples if you can. > >> > >  > > ? > > 	Really.  That claim is misleading.  I personally don't seet< > > 	Linux getting a whole lot more expensive and Intel kit B > > 	has been stable or declining for years in price.  I seriouslyE > > 	doubt HP boosts their Intel kit prices - Dell is always lurking!= > >  >  > D > > http://www.forbes.com/technology/2004/03/03/cz_dl_0303linux.html > > R > > Same goes for Jorge Borbolla, chief information officer at AutoTradeCenter, anQ > > online auto wholesaler in Menlo Park, Calif.--Sun let him go without a fight.mO > > Borbolla just replaced all of his Sun computers with HP Intel-based serversyQ > > running Linux. "It was the money," Borbolla says. "The Linux systems were 40%4# > > the cost of the Sun machines." g > >  > @ > SPARC boxes all include Solaris right to use licenses with the
 > systems. > G > HP x86 boxes don't include a commecrial Linux license and if you wantnG > to run almost any kind of commercial app you have to buy a commercialA2 > Linux release which ends up being mainly Redhat. > B > RedHat AS which is what most customers end up with costs between; > $1499 and $2499 per year so on a cheap HP you add anotherm
 > $4.5-$7.5K.w > ? > This means that low end x86 boxes actually end up costing ~2xg > the cost of a low end Sun. > < > Of course if you only consider the hardware costs then the8 > Sun's may be more expensive but then you have to run a: > community version of Linux and you cannot do that if you! > want supported commercial apps.i > @ > Of course if you are smart you add up the cost of the hardware > ................. and the OS.a > 	 > regardse > Andrew Harrisone  B Are you saying that the world is screwed and don't understand it'sD best? I am seeing lots of sites that have been and are replacing Sun? Sparc servers with x86 Linux servers. Most of this replacing isL because of costs.    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2004 12:38:12 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)I Subject: Re: Sun On The Run?3 Message-ID: <eXc3zm5tKXNf@eisner.encompasserve.org>0  l In article <umn3c.504$hu1.107@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes: > E > RedHat doesn't actually sell you "Linux" so much as they sell you a<H > subscription service which includes the OS distribution as part of theN > contract.  When you agree to the contract, you are agreeing to use what theyM > provide *only* on the number of systems for which you have paid them to useX	 > it on. u  C    Sounds liek RedHat has found a way to deploy IBM's old mainframen,    licensing scheme on a Linux distribution.  E    Now I have good reason not to bother looking at RedHat next time It    want a Linux distribution.!   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:37:01 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") Subject: Re: Sun On The Run?6 Message-ID: <00A2EA35.9D31ADAF@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  q In article <eXc3zm5tKXNf@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:em >In article <umn3c.504$hu1.107@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes:e >> mF >> RedHat doesn't actually sell you "Linux" so much as they sell you aI >> subscription service which includes the OS distribution as part of the O >> contract.  When you agree to the contract, you are agreeing to use what theywN >> provide *only* on the number of systems for which you have paid them to use
 >> it on.  >eD >   Sounds liek RedHat has found a way to deploy IBM's old mainframe- >   licensing scheme on a Linux distribution.t >XF >   Now I have good reason not to bother looking at RedHat next time I >   want a Linux distribution.  J As I understand it, there is an unencumbered fork of Redhat called Fedora.# No maintenance charges; no support.    -- Alane   -- tO ===============================================================================w0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056hM  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025,O ===============================================================================f   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:00:21 GMTn9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>0 Subject: Re: Sun On The Run?0 Message-ID: <p204c.710$CE3.686@news.cpqcorp.net>  ' ""Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr""4 >:L > As I understand it, there is an unencumbered fork of Redhat called Fedora.% > No maintenance charges; no support.D >c  I From their description, it sounds like it is a regularly updated "current J baselevel" of Linux.  Not designed for production, but for people who wantL or need to live on the edge (new features etc).  Download only.  Looked likeE it was free.  Don't know what the restrictions are on redistribution.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:19:25 -0500s; From: "Island Computers USA" <dbturner@islandco.com.nospam>e( Subject: Re: Support of USB Memory stick0 Message-ID: <104u8m2j9nu7959@news.supernews.com>  G I talk to a lot of Air Force bases and Government installations where ae# removable medium is always requirediI USB or even a SCSI Flash Card reader/writer for VMS would be an excellentm idea.o. Almost all the bases run VMS somewhere within.   DT   -- ? David B Turner Island Computers US Corporation  2700 Gregory St., Suite 180l Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax: 912 201 0402     I "Christoph Gartmann" <gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens> wrote in message * news:c27817$75j$2@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de...I > In article <c2600v0isv@enews3.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com writes:e/ > >Lord Isildur <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:6 > >0 > >> how about a network?g > >.7 > >There are lots of systems that can't be on networks.t >rL > And even some more systems that have a software problem with their network > software.e >i
 > Regards, >    Christoph Gartmanna >n > -- lG >  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452  >  ImmunbiologieK >  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot deT >  D-79011  Freiburg, Germanyu; >                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html,   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:55:03 -0600t@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>( Subject: Re: Support of USB Memory stick6 Message-ID: <404FE317.C9FBF621@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Island Computers USA wrote:k > I > I talk to a lot of Air Force bases and Government installations where ao% > removable medium is always required K > USB or even a SCSI Flash Card reader/writer for VMS would be an excellento > idea.b0 > Almost all the bases run VMS somewhere within.  & Ever looked at Castlewood's ORB drive?   --   David J. Dachtera. dba DJE Systems- http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:33:25 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>.( Subject: Re: Support of USB Memory stickI Message-ID: <FUZ3c.253770$Qg7.53360@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>t  K "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message 0 news:404FE317.C9FBF621@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net... > Island Computers USA wrote:o > >dK > > I talk to a lot of Air Force bases and Government installations where au' > > removable medium is always requireddC > > USB or even a SCSI Flash Card reader/writer for VMS would be ans	 excellent 	 > > idea.i2 > > Almost all the bases run VMS somewhere within. >a( > Ever looked at Castlewood's ORB drive?  / http://www.castlewood.com/current_products.html:  * They're ok as large cousins to Zip drives.  I Some people in the Win/linux world use USB keys as licensing tokens. It'soJ unlikely that any of those apps would make it toVMS in the first place but> if they did, I wouldn't expect them to want to use LMF either.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:58:49 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ( Subject: Re: Support of USB Memory stickJ Message-ID: <tg_3c.253931$Qg7.121234@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  K "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in messageo0 news:404FE317.C9FBF621@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net... > Island Computers USA wrote:t > >tK > > I talk to a lot of Air Force bases and Government installations where a ' > > removable medium is always required C > > USB or even a SCSI Flash Card reader/writer for VMS would be ans	 excellent 	 > > idea.82 > > Almost all the bases run VMS somewhere within. >a( > Ever looked at Castlewood's ORB drive? >C > -- > David J. Dachterae > dba DJE Systemsh > http://www.djesys.com/ >i* > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n  L While the Orb is a variation on the Zip drive idea (faster & more capacity),I at the prices they charge one can buy a 40-120Gb external USB hard drive.T  J Formal USB interface support is a must as more and more devices fulfillingL various needs come to the market. Who knows what the next 'big thing' in USB devices will bring?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 09:30:45 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>( Subject: Re: Support of USB Memory stick6 Message-ID: <40508625.8115F860@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   John Smith wrote:s > M > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message 2 > news:404FE317.C9FBF621@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net... > > Island Computers USA wrote:h > > > M > > > I talk to a lot of Air Force bases and Government installations where ai) > > > removable medium is always required-E > > > USB or even a SCSI Flash Card reader/writer for VMS would be ane > excellents > > > idea.j4 > > > Almost all the bases run VMS somewhere within. > >g* > > Ever looked at Castlewood's ORB drive? > >t > > -- > > David J. Dachteram > > dba DJE Systemsh > > http://www.djesys.com/ > >v, > > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:# > > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > N > While the Orb is a variation on the Zip drive idea (faster & more capacity),K > at the prices they charge one can buy a 40-120Gb external USB hard drive.u  C Check it out a little further. The Orb is a MR technology hard-diskeA removable cartridge. Originally a "2.2GB" capacity (circa 1.98GBFIE ODS-2), it was going to be available in a "5GB" version (likely wouldtF have been circa 4.8GBF ODS-2/5). Looks like they may have dropped that product.  A Zip is little more than an ultra-high-density floppy and has somer2 reliability problems. Google for "click of death".   -- , David J. Dachtera2 dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/4   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:57:24 GMTM# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e( Subject: Re: Support of USB Memory stickL Message-ID: <E%%3c.222795$ah.143201@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  K "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in messageM0 news:40508625.8115F860@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net... > John Smith wrote:O > >eG > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote inn messagel4 > > news:404FE317.C9FBF621@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net...! > > > Island Computers USA wrote:n > > > >oG > > > > I talk to a lot of Air Force bases and Government installationsa where a1+ > > > > removable medium is always requiredeG > > > > USB or even a SCSI Flash Card reader/writer for VMS would be an-
 > > excellentF
 > > > > idea.H6 > > > > Almost all the bases run VMS somewhere within. > > >r, > > > Ever looked at Castlewood's ORB drive? > > >a > > > -- > > > David J. Dachterax > > > dba DJE Systemsm > > > http://www.djesys.com/ > > >d. > > > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:% > > > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/r > > E > > While the Orb is a variation on the Zip drive idea (faster & more 
 capacity),F > > at the prices they charge one can buy a 40-120Gb external USB hard drive. > E > Check it out a little further. The Orb is a MR technology hard-disk0C > removable cartridge. Originally a "2.2GB" capacity (circa 1.98GBF G > ODS-2), it was going to be available in a "5GB" version (likely wouldtH > have been circa 4.8GBF ODS-2/5). Looks like they may have dropped that
 > product. >iC > Zip is little more than an ultra-high-density floppy and has some-4 > reliability problems. Google for "click of death".     I know all about that.  F My point was that MANY USB devices with all types of functionality areJ coming into the market. To not have a fully supported USB interface in VMS	 is folly.h   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 17:15:10 GMTh9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>n( Subject: Re: Support of USB Memory stick0 Message-ID: <y814c.723$QO3.488@news.cpqcorp.net>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageF news:E%%3c.222795$ah.143201@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... >a > H > My point was that MANY USB devices with all types of functionality areL > coming into the market. To not have a fully supported USB interface in VMS > is folly.6 >.  - There are a number of points to address here.   H First, while on the surface USB defines a fairly clean set of high-levelK abstractions for devices - it seems to me that Forrest ends up having to dohB lots of tweaking to handle the idiosyncracies of specific devices.  E Second, supported how?  Plug in a random device and expect it to work I flawlessly on VMS?  To be "supported" in my mind means we've qualified itnK and know it to work correctly, and have the ability to fix bugs if they are  found.  J Third, the enterprise server people (the ones that build 'em, and the onesK who buy 'em) still aren't sold on USB.  I think that will change, but givenbH the choice between say, a 8-line serial mux PCI card and a 8-line serialJ line USB box - they keep asking for the PCI card (just as an example).  WeI (VMS) aren't in the consumer or desktop market - so the USB devices we'vegK done have been limited (plus the Alpha USB support was spotty at best untilP Marvel).  L Fourth, user-written USB drivers are a great idea - but probably not high onK the priority list.  I think this would be a great thing to have (along withX6 a SCSI port driver and graphics developers kit too ;-)  I So.  What happens is we support the devices that we *have* to support.  I0B think that in the not-too-distant-future - we can justify a memoryH stick/key.  There are just too many really good uses for them.  I'm justI waiting for the first real customer requirement to come in where it's not K just a "like to have".  I think you'll probably see a USB DVD on Itanium in-I the next year.  And Forrest is trying to be pretty good about putting out 1 unsupported USB handlers for interesting devices.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 17:35:36 GMT.# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>i( Subject: Re: Support of USB Memory stickL Message-ID: <Ir14c.223669$ah.122459@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  D "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message* news:y814c.723$QO3.488@news.cpqcorp.net... >e >eL > Third, the enterprise server people (the ones that build 'em, and the onesG > who buy 'em) still aren't sold on USB.  I think that will change, but4 given@J > the choice between say, a 8-line serial mux PCI card and a 8-line serialL > line USB box - they keep asking for the PCI card (just as an example).  WeK > (VMS) aren't in the consumer or desktop market - so the USB devices we'veqG > done have been limited (plus the Alpha USB support was spotty at best  untile
 > Marvel).    L A desktop system is just a blade with a video card in a box with rubber feet on the bottom/side  ;-)g   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:57:58 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>o( Subject: Re: Support of USB Memory stick0 Message-ID: <qp44c.747$624.465@news.cpqcorp.net>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageF news:Ir14c.223669$ah.122459@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... >0 >1I > A desktop system is just a blade with a video card in a box with rubbern feet > on the bottom/side  ;-)y >S >d  L Only to someone who hasn't had to sell it.  A box designed for a rack can beI a much different beast than what is required for a office.  And even whennK you do the job right and design it to do both (the DS10 for instance) there = are testing and compliance requirements.  It isn't just free.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:23:22 GMTe# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>o( Subject: Re: Support of USB Memory stickG Message-ID: <uF54c.1994$j5B1.1577@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   D "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message* news:qp44c.747$624.465@news.cpqcorp.net... >-0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageH > news:Ir14c.223669$ah.122459@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > >  > >eK > > A desktop system is just a blade with a video card in a box with rubber. > feet > > on the bottom/side  ;-). > >w > >i >eK > Only to someone who hasn't had to sell it.  A box designed for a rack canh beK > a much different beast than what is required for a office.  And even whenlG > you do the job right and design it to do both (the DS10 for instance)w therei? > are testing and compliance requirements.  It isn't just free.d     Hence the smiley in my message.t; FCC Class A vs. Class B and lots of other issues for  sure.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:02:31 +0000d* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]># Subject: Re: TCPIP printer via ISDNe' Message-ID: <c2mlkm$fjt$1@lore.csc.com>    Piet Timmers wrote:e > 2 > We have tcpip printers connected via ISDN lines.F > These lines are only active, and we have to pay for them, when thereC > is a need to connect to the printer. The problem is that when theaG > printerqueue is stalled, a polling is executed, which causes the isdniH > line to be active, so we have to pay for it. This can be the situationF > for several hours, for example when in the evening the printers runsH > out of paper, the queue is stalled until the next morning, and we have > to pay for the isdn line.  > G > Is there a way to solve this problem, or to make it less expensive. I A > can imagine that a stalled queue has to poll the printer to see)F > whether it is available again, but mayby there is way to change thisG > polling to once an hour, this will reduce our isdn cost dramatically.a  ? In the absence of any replies, I don't know if this would help.H  E Someone would need to confirm that the polling stops when you issue a-5 STOP/QUE command to a stalled que (may need /RESET?).   D Perhaps a process which detects (say) 15 minutes of stalled printer,F then STOPs the que. ISDN line no longer gets traffic, then drops. WhenH the printer owner comes back in, they need to resolve this stopped queueD now but this is partly a penance for letting it run out in the first place.   HTH. -- i? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer SciencesI nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:09:09 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>- Subject: Telnet oddities (outbound to router)d) Message-ID: <405226ED.2FAC98C9@istop.com>    Found an interesting glitch.  VELO:: VAXVMS 7.2, TCPIP 5.0A  BIKE:: VAXVMS 7.2, TCPIP 5.3-2    VELO::OPA0: a real VT220.  BIKE::TTA1: a real VT220 VELO::TXA5: a real VT320    N From my MAC, with an old NSCA telnet program, I can telnet to my netgear (withI Zyxel personality) router. No problems found at all. (note that this alsoe" applied with the netgear software)  N The router also has a serial interface attached to a serial port on node VELO.  F From VELO::OPA0:, I can SET HOST/DTE TXC4 to the router, and again, no interface problems.   * From VELO::OPA0:, I can TELNET ROUTER1 ...N If I go into router's CLI, and generate lots of output (256 very short lines),$ the last 10 or so lines are garbled.  & From BIKE::TTA1	, if I TELNET ROUTER1:C 	-on some menus, one field gets erased after having been displayed.mQ 	-the CLI command that generates lots of output has more data garbled at the end.fN 	-in the CLI mode, the up/down arrows *sometimes* do not work, and a [ commandN (or a command with a [ appended)  is registered in the router's recall buffer.  D From BIKE::TTA1, if I SET HOST VELO, then from VELO, TELNET ROUTER1:J 	-the command that generates the output generate as much garbled data, but> after the last line is displayed (there are 256 lines), I get:> SYSTEM-F-TOOMUCHDATA too much optional or interrupt data spec?M (the "?" is a reverse question mark, and the VT terminal freezes and needs totL have its "init comm" due to garbage characters having been sent). The telnetM program has exited after the SYSTEM-F message, but session still connected toa VELO via SET Host 0.  S From BIKE::WSA2 in a DECTERM, I can TELNET ROUTER1 and everything works fine !!!!!!   J From VELO::TXA5: (VT320), I can SET HOST/DTE TXC4: and everything SEEMS toI work. However, after having displayed the long output (which scrolls muchcM faster on a 320 compared to 220), there seems to be some garbage in the inputt8 buffer because the first command I type is not accepted.  M So, it looks like either the VMS or the router's TELNET is broken in terms of-
 flow control.m  ? Does anyone have any hints on how to investigate this further ?r   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 12:08:34 +0100@, From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>1 Subject: Re: Telnet oddities (outbound to router)0: Message-ID: <c2uq3o$21k939$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>  9 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> schreef in berichtc# news:405226ED.2FAC98C9@istop.com...e > Found an interesting glitch.  >  VELO:: VAXVMS 7.2, TCPIP 5.0A! >  BIKE:: VAXVMS 7.2, TCPIP 5.3-2s >  > VELO::OPA0: a real VT220.e > BIKE::TTA1: a real VT220 > VELO::TXA5: a real VT320 >  >iJ > From my MAC, with an old NSCA telnet program, I can telnet to my netgear (withtK > Zyxel personality) router. No problems found at all. (note that this also $ > applied with the netgear software) > J > The router also has a serial interface attached to a serial port on node VELO.e > H > From VELO::OPA0:, I can SET HOST/DTE TXC4 to the router, and again, no > interface problems.r > , > From VELO::OPA0:, I can TELNET ROUTER1 ...H > If I go into router's CLI, and generate lots of output (256 very short lines),d& > the last 10 or so lines are garbled. >o( > From BIKE::TTA1 , if I TELNET ROUTER1:D > -on some menus, one field gets erased after having been displayed.I > -the CLI command that generates lots of output has more data garbled at1 the end.G > -in the CLI mode, the up/down arrows *sometimes* do not work, and a [: commandiH > (or a command with a [ appended)  is registered in the router's recall buffer.  > F > From BIKE::TTA1, if I SET HOST VELO, then from VELO, TELNET ROUTER1:K > -the command that generates the output generate as much garbled data, butt@ > after the last line is displayed (there are 256 lines), I get:@ > SYSTEM-F-TOOMUCHDATA too much optional or interrupt data spec?L > (the "?" is a reverse question mark, and the VT terminal freezes and needs toG > have its "init comm" due to garbage characters having been sent). Thei telnetL > program has exited after the SYSTEM-F message, but session still connected to > VELO via SET Host 0. >,I > From BIKE::WSA2 in a DECTERM, I can TELNET ROUTER1 and everything worksh fine !!!!!!n >aL > From VELO::TXA5: (VT320), I can SET HOST/DTE TXC4: and everything SEEMS toK > work. However, after having displayed the long output (which scrolls muchcI > faster on a 320 compared to 220), there seems to be some garbage in theh inputo: > buffer because the first command I type is not accepted. >aL > So, it looks like either the VMS or the router's TELNET is broken in terms of > flow control.t >rA > Does anyone have any hints on how to investigate this further ?'  E JF, my suggestion would be to have a look on the VT220/VT320 terminale! settings. Say, 7-bit vs. 8-bit...t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 18:46:17 -0600t( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)
 Subject: testv1 Message-ID: <04031018461754@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>    Never mind.n         J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n- VMS Systems Administrator0* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 17:16:11 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>? Subject: Re: The Inquirer:   HP re-thinking its IA-64 strategy?m2 Message-ID: <4051e24b$0$313$636a15ce@news.free.fr>  5 when you write well, you write well, Jean-Franois...    D.   JF Mezei wrote:o   > Didier Morandi wrote:  > O >>If i64 is dead, VMS is dead, and even if I do not want that, all my passsion, 6 >>our passion for VMS will not do anything to save it. >  >  > I am not 100% sure of this.a > P > In the scenario where HP and Intel make a joint announcement about the lack ofN > future for IA64, it is a safe bet that to save face, all 3 OSs targetted for@ > IA64 will be retargetted to the new platform. (VMS, HPUX, NSK) > K > In the scenario where HP acts as if nothing had happened and continues to,N > claim IA64 has a bright future, then yes, VMS is in jeoperdy. Not because ofK > any actions by HP with regards to architecture, but rather because enoughrO > customers will stay away from IA64 systems that HP,s accountants will be able H > to show that VMS is no longer generating profits and should be killed. > M > One has to wait to see what happens between now and the official commercialh > launch of VMS on IA64. > O > There is still a window opened for HP to start to do serious marketing of VMSsK > on IA64. We'be become so desperate to see any marketing of VMS, that we'dcI > probably welcome that advertising even if is for a platform we dislike.r > P > Remember that it is "possible" that HP has purposely waited to start marketingN > VMS until it ran on one of its platforms. It may not have wanted to market aO > product running on a platform HP doesn't want to keep (especially if any saleeL > of Alpha system is tied to a promise to supply a free IA64 hot air furnace > when it becomes available).c > P > Of course, it is perhaps more likely that the launch of VMS on IA64 will be as# > invisible as VMS has been so far.n > L > However, if HP does go ahead to launch VMS on IA64 commercially later thisP > year, it will have officially runned out of excuses NOT to marklet VMS and anyO > lack of marketing subsequent to the launch will be a clear indication that HPdG > does not intend to leverage the big investment it made in VMS when itt > purchased Compaq.d   -- i2 VAXUS - Your new helpful friend in the DEC Family!2 EHQ: 19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France/       Phone: +336 7983 6418 Fax: +335 6154 1928u$                 http://www.vaxus.org   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2004 09:02:59 -0800. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso), Subject: TN3270 - Why it still synchronous ?= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0403150902.1c4b4a2b@posting.google.com>-  B I know it is not related to OpenVMS, but as I am a TN3270 user too of these IBM MVS stuff etc...u  F Do you know why IBM mantain the synchronous terminal emulation instead of assynchrounous like VT ?      Regardsh   FC   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2004 12:17:20 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)b0 Subject: Re: TN3270 - Why it still synchronous ?3 Message-ID: <MBw2so9UZPTZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  n In article <f30679fb.0403150902.1c4b4a2b@posting.google.com>, fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) writes:  H > Do you know why IBM mantain the synchronous terminal emulation instead > of assynchrounous like VT ?  r  D    Changing is expensive.  The traditional IBM model sells hardware.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:31:22 -0500u* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>0 Subject: Re: TN3270 - Why it still synchronous ?) Message-ID: <40561299.9D4F817C@istop.com>U   Fabio Cardoso wrote:H > Do you know why IBM mantain the synchronous terminal emulation instead > of assynchrounous like VT ?i  L The 3270 terminal protocol is a block mode protocol. At the time, 3270s wereM considered "smart" while VTY were really dumb , simply because 3270s ofloadedlQ processing from the mainframe by running "locally" until a user pressed a PF key.a  K In fact, HTTP protocol is close in concept to the 3270, and especially CICSsL applications on 3270 terminals (where, while user types in data, there is no& application attached to that terminal)  J The 3270 is a purely transactional system. Now, IBM has been able over theM years to add some additional smarts to the terminal controllers which allowedeN for some basic text input (I think that they managed to add word wrapping when2 input to a single field extended more than 1 line)  H From a telecom point of view, the 3270 approach is much lighter since itN reduces the number of "packets" that need to be sent.  When you pressed enter,K the terminal could send only modified fields to the mainframe for instance,lH and then the mainframe could send back inforemation to update the fields# without redrawing the whole screen.t  L If IBM mainframes had been forced to support all terminals in character mode< (like VMS does), their performance would have been pitifull.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:10:02 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?- Message-ID: <873c8hse1h.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   * brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) writes:   > Brian Tillman wrote:  E >> Seems to me, Blockbuster used to be a VMS shop.  Has it, too, goneh >> to Billy-boy hell?n  A > Blockbuster still is as far as the store systems are concerned.a  ? > However, over the years they have had an underlying effort towE > replace VMS with various other schemes...  testament to the stayingh > power of VMS I think.p  . > I heard tale that they out-sourced their IT.  D I met the chap who designed their system 20 years ago. His take was,B That a video shop was one of the most demanding apps there was for reliability.   -- a< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.a@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:43:03 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?2 Message-ID: <404f0d90$0$304$636a15ce@news.free.fr>   Dr. Dweeb wrote:  L > On the other hand, IKEA has VTxx terminals everywhere and they are still a > VMS site last time I looked.   Sure they are.  P I implemented ACMS Desktop V1.0-0 for Macintosh/HyperCard together with Rdb and - CDD in their HQ in Lausanne back to the 90's.t  " This is how I came to APPLE world.  # Talking about APPLE World... Enjoy:t) http://www.googolplex.co.jp/index_us.htmls   D. -- o2 VAXUS - Your new helpful friend in the DEC Family!2 EHQ: 19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France/       Phone: +336 7983 6418 Fax: +335 6154 1928-$                 http://www.vaxus.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:25:42 -0500S; From: "Island Computers USA" <dbturner@islandco.com.nospam>t  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?0 Message-ID: <104un3orqoh5j70@news.supernews.com>  K We just lost a deal to HP UK for 400 x DS10 running VMS for Blockbuster UK. L Updating the whole UK Branch of Blockbuster - no doubt you'll read about it.L I think they have PC's in each branch connected to an Alpha - seems a little like overkill to me.J The Sys Mgr would not give me any more info than they got a good deal from HP. I Could've got a better deal from us but there's no telling some people ;0)    Davida   -- o David B Turner Island Computers US Corporationp 2700 Gregory St., Suite 180  Savannah GA 31404s Tel: 912 447 6622T Fax: 912 201 0402  > Someone wrote: >l> > > HP is currently airing ads about how Toys R Us is using HPG > > technology to run the inventory control for its Times Square store.x > >v0 > > I seem to recall Toys R Us being a VMS user. > > D > > Does anyone know if Toys R us was in fact a big VMS user ? Is it > > still a VMS user ? >gG > Seems to me, Blockbuster used to be a VMS shop.  Has it, too, gone to3 > Billy-boy hell?  > -- e > Brian Tillmano >l   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 19:07:54 +0100s2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?; Message-ID: <404f597a.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>    Dr. Dweeb (dr@dweeb.com) wrote:BJ > On the other hand, IKEA has VTxx terminals everywhere and they are still  > a VMS site last time I looked.  G Last week I visited IKEA here in Germany after some time. I was shockedxE to see that the VT terminal had gone, and been replaced by PeeCees...a   cu,n   Martin -- r>                        |  Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!1   OpenVMS: When you    |  work: mv@pdv-systeme.desD   KNOW where you want  |    http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/8   to go today.         |  home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:22:44 -0500o* From: "Marc Burns" <burnsm77@adelphia.net>  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?1 Message-ID: <DcednbRypcEVRtLdRVn-jg@adelphia.com>u  ? BlockBuster, while appearing to be a VMS shop is an AS/400 shop     5 "Brian Tillman" <Tillmabg@yahoo.com> wrote in message ! news:012BE756.C22236@yahoo.com...t > Someone wrote: >.> > > HP is currently airing ads about how Toys R Us is using HPG > > technology to run the inventory control for its Times Square store.e > > 0 > > I seem to recall Toys R Us being a VMS user. > >gD > > Does anyone know if Toys R us was in fact a big VMS user ? Is it > > still a VMS user ? >-G > Seems to me, Blockbuster used to be a VMS shop.  Has it, too, gone toh > Billy-boy hell?n > -- e > Brian Tillmanl >I   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2004 22:45:53 -0800. From: mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon)  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?< Message-ID: <7500353b.0403102245.5a4bb13@posting.google.com>  c "Marc Burns" <burnsm77@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:<DcednbRypcEVRtLdRVn-jg@adelphia.com>...SA > BlockBuster, while appearing to be a VMS shop is an AS/400 shopn  E I find this a bit worrisome. Most of places (including our customers)oD however, turn out not running anything on VMS or are moving off from it.k  D I have a feeling that majority of the licenses are not in productionB use. According HP VMS has 400K licensees, but how do you terminateF one? or why would you? - most boxes could be on hobbyist hands or goneE to junkyard with their licenses and people here could be bragging forr- market that only exists in HP marketing page.o    ML   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2004 10:01:52 +0100K From: pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40)s  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?! Message-ID: <Vzz5hpIFktGY@sinead>t  p In article <404f597a.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>, martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) writes: [...]  > I > Last week I visited IKEA here in Germany after some time. I was shockedcG > to see that the VT terminal had gone, and been replaced by PeeCees...n >   J In France also, they move to Windows NT on the clients with a rather nice B application. May be they keep some VMS servers in the background ?   Patrick  --O ===============================================================================iN pmoreau@ath.cena.fr  (CENA)      ______      ___   _          (Patrick MOREAU)4 moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================9   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 09:43:18 GMT=L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?6 Message-ID: <00A2EA92.B14BCC53@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  m In article <7500353b.0403102245.5a4bb13@posting.google.com>, mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon) writes:td >"Marc Burns" <burnsm77@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:<DcednbRypcEVRtLdRVn-jg@adelphia.com>...B >> BlockBuster, while appearing to be a VMS shop is an AS/400 shop >rF >I find this a bit worrisome. Most of places (including our customers)E >however, turn out not running anything on VMS or are moving off from  >it.  K I'd like to hear more from Marc Burns about this "is an AS/400 shop" thing,oH and how that accords with Blockbuster UK's recent purchase of 400 DS10s.   -- Alan- --  O ===============================================================================l0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025lO ===============================================================================x   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2004 03:31:46 -0800' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson)s  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?= Message-ID: <734da31c.0403110331.708650bc@posting.google.com>2  r mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon) wrote in message news:<7500353b.0403102245.5a4bb13@posting.google.com>...e > "Marc Burns" <burnsm77@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:<DcednbRypcEVRtLdRVn-jg@adelphia.com>...lC > > BlockBuster, while appearing to be a VMS shop is an AS/400 shopg > G > I find this a bit worrisome. Most of places (including our customers)vF > however, turn out not running anything on VMS or are moving off from > it.e > F > I have a feeling that majority of the licenses are not in productionD > use. According HP VMS has 400K licensees, but how do you terminateH > one? or why would you? - most boxes could be on hobbyist hands or goneG > to junkyard with their licenses and people here could be bragging forb/ > market that only exists in HP marketing page.- >  - > M   D I assume that 400K figure have something to do with paying customersE or systems under maintenance contracts, not stricly "licensees". whensA the systems is not used anymore or is at a hobbyist I don't thinka  anyone is paying for it anymore.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:27:43 -0500e* From: "Marc Burns" <burnsm77@adelphia.net>  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?1 Message-ID: <9vOdnfkFQoWps8zdRVn-gw@adelphia.com>o  J I don't know about the UK, but a friend of mine until recently worked in aJ Blockbuster here in the US.  They had IBM AS/400 consoles for the register6 stands.  Maybe the store was unique in that regards...  - Perhaps the UK is moving to something else...-   -- MarcaH ""Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"" <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>A wrote in message news:00A2EA92.B14BCC53@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU...$> > In article <7500353b.0403102245.5a4bb13@posting.google.com>,0 mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon) writes:8 > >"Marc Burns" <burnsm77@adelphia.net> wrote in message- news:<DcednbRypcEVRtLdRVn-jg@adelphia.com>... D > >> BlockBuster, while appearing to be a VMS shop is an AS/400 shop > > H > >I find this a bit worrisome. Most of places (including our customers)G > >however, turn out not running anything on VMS or are moving off froma > >it. >sF > I'd like to hear more from Marc Burns about this "is an AS/400 shop" thing,J > and how that accords with Blockbuster UK's recent purchase of 400 DS10s. >Z	 > -- Alan  > -- p >lL ============================================================================ === 2 >  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUA >  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:. 650/926-3056G >  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA  94025< >oL ============================================================================ ===g >2   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2004 20:46:00 -0800. From: mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon)  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?= Message-ID: <7500353b.0403112046.78b4e7a5@posting.google.com>   F > I assume that 400K figure have something to do with paying customersG > or systems under maintenance contracts, not stricly "licensees". whenrC > the systems is not used anymore or is at a hobbyist I don't thinko" > anyone is paying for it anymore.  F Recalling my time in one major licensee seller, we found out that mostD maintenance was paid for systems that did not exist or were used any? more. This is because it was financial department that paid theoE maintenance bills and had no idea whether the system was up and goingr or not.y  E Yet, the figure is now years old and what I see in real life makes mei doubt...   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2004 21:15:32 -0800. From: mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon)  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?= Message-ID: <7500353b.0403112115.3092cee0@posting.google.com>   F > I assume that 400K figure have something to do with paying customersG > or systems under maintenance contracts, not stricly "licensees". whengC > the systems is not used anymore or is at a hobbyist I don't thinks" > anyone is paying for it anymore.   And.  = 400K figure has been there for two years now. I see customers1C abandoning the platform and hear about the customers like Toys R Us B going to other systems and in the meanwhile a small dribble of newF licenses is sold and yet the figure stays the same 400K for this time.C I believe HP is afraid of updating the figure and it may as well be  40K now than 400K.   Mt   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 01:26:38 -0500o* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?) Message-ID: <405157FB.3826F8DF@istop.com>i   mist dragon wrote:E > I believe HP is afraid of updating the figure and it may as well bes > 40K now than 400K.  N And it is in everyone's interest, except that of Andrew that HP NOT update theJ count. As long as nobody challenges the now inflated value, then HP should( continue to use it as much as possible.   N And if there are still 400k licenses in the database, then HP isn't lying. The> bigger HP can portray the user base, the better it is for VMS.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Mar 2004 07:18:23 -0800. From: mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon)  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?= Message-ID: <7500353b.0403120718.3f5fa282@posting.google.com>   P > And it is in everyone's interest, except that of Andrew that HP NOT update theL > count. As long as nobody challenges the now inflated value, then HP should* > continue to use it as much as possible.  > P > And if there are still 400k licenses in the database, then HP isn't lying. The@ > bigger HP can portray the user base, the better it is for VMS.  F Lying is a good way to keep customers happy. A bit like peeing in your pants. It is warm for awhile...M  E Telling that you have sold plenty of items, but no-one uses them doesy! not grow customer confidentality.o   Mn   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Mar 2004 11:22:49 -0800- From: phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer)   Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?= Message-ID: <5ee1d1b7.0403121122.14bf339b@posting.google.com>e  c "Marc Burns" <burnsm77@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:<DcednbRypcEVRtLdRVn-jg@adelphia.com>... A > BlockBuster, while appearing to be a VMS shop is an AS/400 shopm >   C Wow, That's pretty cool,  VMS is so good that even IBM is trying toa* make their AS/400's look like VMS now.  :)   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Mar 2004 11:27:05 -0800- From: phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer)w  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?= Message-ID: <5ee1d1b7.0403121127.6f805972@posting.google.com>m  b "rob kas" <rob@paychoice.com.noSPAM> wrote in message news:<104rr8115n1foc0@corp.supernews.com>...  G >              I seem to remember Reading IBM , is going to be the new e5 > Outsource  Provider and they are switching to AIX .  >  >  >  >  > 1 >                                             Robk  O Just because a company out-sources to IBM does not mean they are moving to AIX.t   PT   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Mar 2004 11:37:00 -0800- From: phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer)"  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?= Message-ID: <5ee1d1b7.0403121137.62dcc072@posting.google.com>   s mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon) wrote in message news:<7500353b.0403120718.3f5fa282@posting.google.com>...-     > H > Lying is a good way to keep customers happy. A bit like peeing in your! > pants. It is warm for awhile...c > G > Telling that you have sold plenty of items, but no-one uses them does8# > not grow customer confidentality.@ >  > Mc  F I don't doubt that the license base is 400K.  Possibly more even.  Let put it this way:  E The next time you get a letter or package where the US Postal Servicea is involed, you can thank VMS.9 The next time you get a FedEx package, you can thank VMS.s? The next time you trade a stock,  most likely you cn thank VMS. E The next time you go to the hospital and they track your treatment onl their system, you can thank VMSe@ The next time you fly in the US and you don't crash into another plane, you can thank VMS.fA The next time the AWACS goes up and tracks all aircraft along thec3 borders of the US to protest us, you can thank VMS.s .o .d .n# and the list goes on and on and on.n  D Oh, yeah,  and by the way,  all these systems run 24x365 without anyC blue screens shutting them down, not unlike what happened when theydD tried to integrate Windoze into the Aircraft Carriers in the US Navy> (all of which have been replaced with....you guessed it, VMS.)  F So, I really don't care about counts.  I care about the quality of theE counts that do exist.  Who cares if someone can rent a video or buy a @ toy.  Those are not truly mission critical system (except to theB people who are raking in the money from renting videos and sellingB toys.)  But, when I need a solid system to make sure my doctor canF treat me properly or make sure my stock trade doesn't get lost or makeC sure that I can travel without fearing that the plane will crash in)C mid-air with another plane or make sure that the countries militarypC services are able to do their job successfully...I'll take VMS over , anything else any day.  Thank you very much.   PT   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:01:36 GMTm# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>a  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?I Message-ID: <AGo4c.18510$iDG1.13569@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   : "PhilThayer" <phillip_thayer@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:5ee1d1b7.0403121137.62dcc072@posting.google.com...-; > mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon) wrote in message"9 news:<7500353b.0403120718.3f5fa282@posting.google.com>...k >e >g > > J > > Lying is a good way to keep customers happy. A bit like peeing in your# > > pants. It is warm for awhile...c > > I > > Telling that you have sold plenty of items, but no-one uses them doesr% > > not grow customer confidentality.e > >t > > M' > H > I don't doubt that the license base is 400K.  Possibly more even.  Let > put it this way: > G > The next time you get a letter or package where the US Postal Service   > is involed, you can thank VMS.; > The next time you get a FedEx package, you can thank VMS. A > The next time you trade a stock,  most likely you cn thank VMS.hG > The next time you go to the hospital and they track your treatment on ! > their system, you can thank VMS B > The next time you fly in the US and you don't crash into another > plane, you can thank VMS.-C > The next time the AWACS goes up and tracks all aircraft along thee5 > borders of the US to protest us, you can thank VMS.c    E  JSTARS uses VMS. I guess they're being used to track all those peskycG Canadians in those towns in Quebec that straddle the Quebec-Vermont and3L Quebec-Maine border. You know the ones...where the border goes right throughI the middle of the town library reading room, or the gas station is on thetL Canadian side of the border but the only entrance to it is on the US side ofJ the border and the nearest US customs station is 60 miles away as the road travels.  2 AWACS?? I was not aware that VMS is used for that.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 17:21:22 -0500q< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?: Message-ID: <c2td54$20r0lv$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>   PhilThayer wrote:o >...8 > The next time you get a letter or package where the US Postal Service  > is involed, you can thank VMS.; > The next time you get a FedEx package, you can thank VMS.4< > The next time you trade a stock,  most likely you cn thank VMS.: > The next time you go to the hospital and they track your treatment on! > their system, you can thank VMS : > The next time you fly in the US and you don't crash into anothert > plane, you can thank VMS..9 > The next time the AWACS goes up and tracks all aircrafti	 along thee5 > borders of the US to protest us, you can thank VMS.a > .t > .e > .d% > and the list goes on and on and on.o >...  < AFAIK, The next time you fly over the North Atlantic you can thank a VAX running VMS.   -- r Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.h Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.cao   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Mar 2004 17:28:35 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0403131728.3f92b58b@posting.google.com>$  s mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon) wrote in message news:<7500353b.0403120718.3f5fa282@posting.google.com>... R > > And it is in everyone's interest, except that of Andrew that HP NOT update theN > > count. As long as nobody challenges the now inflated value, then HP should, > > continue to use it as much as possible.  > > R > > And if there are still 400k licenses in the database, then HP isn't lying. TheB > > bigger HP can portray the user base, the better it is for VMS. > H > Lying is a good way to keep customers happy. A bit like peeing in your! > pants. It is warm for awhile...s > G > Telling that you have sold plenty of items, but no-one uses them doese# > not grow customer confidentality.h >  > Mi  = what are you talking about ... lying is always wrong and willn; always bite you in the rear eventually, and there is no wayy; HP would spend what it is spending for itanium port if whatl< you are saying is true ... the fact that VMS IS being ported= to itanium speaks volumes ... if anything, that 400000 numbere may be underinflated ... :)c   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Mar 2004 17:33:32 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0403131733.3341ee8f@posting.google.com>   a Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message news:<873c8hse1h.fsf@prep.synonet.com>...s, > brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) writes: >  > > Brian Tillman wrote: >  -G > >> Seems to me, Blockbuster used to be a VMS shop.  Has it, too, goneF > >> to Billy-boy hell?s >  oC > > Blockbuster still is as far as the store systems are concerned.2 >  FA > > However, over the years they have had an underlying effort to7G > > replace VMS with various other schemes...  testament to the staying2 > > power of VMS I think.2 >  E0 > > I heard tale that they out-sourced their IT. > F > I met the chap who designed their system 20 years ago. His take was,D > That a video shop was one of the most demanding apps there was for > reliability.  ; all apps in todays market are demanding ... if you are downs0 5 minutes, you lose and your competitor wins ...   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Mar 2004 17:32:10 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0403131732.62aeb66@posting.google.com>  b "rob kas" <rob@paychoice.com.noSPAM> wrote in message news:<104rr8115n1foc0@corp.supernews.com>...J > >> Seems to me, Blockbuster used to be a VMS shop.  Has it, too, gone to > >> Billy-boy hell? > >bC > > Blockbuster still is as far as the store systems are concerned.o > >wN > > However, over the years they have had an underlying effort to replace VMS  > > withL > > various other schemes...  testament to the staying power of VMS I think. > > 0 > > I heard tale that they out-sourced their IT. > >hG >              I seem to remember Reading IBM , is going to be the new )5 > Outsource  Provider and they are switching to AIX .e >  >  >  >  > 1 >                                             Robn  7 I hope they read the latest techwise report and compareg7 VMS with aix ... then they might think twice, make thatx thrice, make that quice ... :)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 06:44:35 +0800n, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?- Message-ID: <87ptbgs6y4.fsf@prep.synonet.com>e  / phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer) writes:a  B > The next time you fly in the US and you don't crash into another > plane, you can thank VMS.g   It is T64 here.t  C > The next time the AWACS goes up and tracks all aircraft along theo5 > borders of the US to protest us, you can thank VMS.                         ^^^^^^^   :)  0 Also T64 here, but about to be turfed for linux.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.>@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 06:51:14 +0800I, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?- Message-ID: <87llm4s6n1.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer) writes:e  D > So, I really don't care about counts.  I care about the quality ofE > the counts that do exist.  Who cares if someone can rent a video orrD > buy a toy.  Those are not truly mission critical system (except to@ > the people who are raking in the money from renting videos and > selling toys.)  C Ah, but they are the ones who buy the system. Video shops was a eye A opener for me. If the system is down, you don't know who has youro> tapes, you can't service customers so they go across the road,B possibly taking your tape with them, you don't know what tapes are> booked, so those customers are pissed off as well. And that is@ ignoring the money side of things if you have account deals withB hospitals etc. As he told me, it is a very short step to close the! door and walk away from the agro.a   -- )< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.T@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 06:52:51 +0800i, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?- Message-ID: <87hdwss6kc.fsf@prep.synonet.com>s  > "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> writes:  F > AFAIK, The next time you fly over the North Atlantic you can thank a > VAX running VMS.  " That the FAA side? or Eurocontrol?     -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.p@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 20:57:57 -0500y* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?) Message-ID: <4053BC0D.5D4AC4FC@istop.com>-   Bob Ceculski wrote:e9 > I hope they read the latest techwise report and compareJ9 > VMS with aix ... then they might think twice, make thats  > thrice, make that quice ... :)  N If one migrates from VMS because of lack of confidence in its future, then AIXN isn't exactly a much better option. In fairness though, once you've downgraded= to Unix, migrating from one to the other is less of an issue.c  N If the toy company decides to migrate to AIX or whatever, it would probably be4 driven by lack of the desired application(s) on VMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 01:11:06 -0500n* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?) Message-ID: <4053F757.D156093B@istop.com>i   Paul Repacholi wrote:eH > > AFAIK, The next time you fly over the North Atlantic you can thank a > > VAX running VMS. > $ > That the FAA side? or Eurocontrol?  H NAV Canada which is in charge of the western side of most trans-atlanticF routes. I know that used to use VT terminals. However, I was under theJ impression that they had migrated to Unix in recent years ? Are they still very loyal to VMS ?h   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 14:29:13 +0100   From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?, Message-ID: <c31mne$gs4$1@news.cybercity.dk>   Bob Ceculski wrote: ; > mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon) wrote in messagel; > news:<7500353b.0403120718.3f5fa282@posting.google.com>...eG >>> And it is in everyone's interest, except that of Andrew that HP NOT C >>> update the count. As long as nobody challenges the now inflatedMA >>> value, then HP should continue to use it as much as possible.S >>>tG >>> And if there are still 400k licenses in the database, then HP isn'tdD >>> lying. The bigger HP can portray the user base, the better it is >>> for VMS. >>D >> Lying is a good way to keep customers happy. A bit like peeing in' >> your pants. It is warm for awhile...p >>H >> Telling that you have sold plenty of items, but no-one uses them does$ >> not grow customer confidentality. >> >> M >r? > what are you talking about ... lying is always wrong and willa= > always bite you in the rear eventually, and there is no wayi= > HP would spend what it is spending for itanium port if whate> > you are saying is true ... the fact that VMS IS being ported? > to itanium speaks volumes ... if anything, that 400000 numbery > may be underinflated ... :)t  G It probably speaks mostly about how much money INTEL is throwing at thevK problem.  My impression was that INTEL is footing a lot of the bill, thoughi I may be mistaken.  	 Dr. Dweeb    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 14:47:39 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>1  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?I Message-ID: <fg_4c.1667$lnp1.449@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>9  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messagej# news:4053BC0D.5D4AC4FC@istop.com...s > Bob Ceculski wrote:f; > > I hope they read the latest techwise report and comparet; > > VMS with aix ... then they might think twice, make thatI" > > thrice, make that quice ... :) > L > If one migrates from VMS because of lack of confidence in its future, then AIX E > isn't exactly a much better option. In fairness though, once you've2
 downgraded? > to Unix, migrating from one to the other is less of an issue.r  G Once you've decided to cheat on your wife, it doesn't much matter whichZ# hooker you're caught sleeping with.a   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 14:51:54 GMTo# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>   Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?I Message-ID: <ek_4c.1672$lnp1.117@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messager# news:4053BC0D.5D4AC4FC@istop.com...- > D > If the toy company decides to migrate to AIX or whatever, it would probably be>6 > driven by lack of the desired application(s) on VMS.    J And lack of advertising & marketing of VMS by HP makes it an easy decisionJ for all manner of ISV's, both current VMS and those not in the VMS market,J to think that being in the VMS market is not a good use of their company's> resources and capital. Hence a lack of, or dwindling number of3 applications - which HP seems to believe sells VMS.   J Wait a minute....I don't get paid $1MM+ annually by HP to make these sortsJ of strategic marketing decsions so how could I possibly see something that HP doesn't?r   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2004 06:53:47 -0800- From: phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer)t  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?= Message-ID: <5ee1d1b7.0403150653.5614a4b7@posting.google.com>t  t "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<AGo4c.18510$iDG1.13569@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...< > "PhilThayer" <phillip_thayer@hotmail.com> wrote in message9 > news:5ee1d1b7.0403121137.62dcc072@posting.google.com...t= > > mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon) wrote in messageo< >  news:<7500353b.0403120718.3f5fa282@posting.google.com>... > >h > >n > > >oL > > > Lying is a good way to keep customers happy. A bit like peeing in your% > > > pants. It is warm for awhile...c > > > K > > > Telling that you have sold plenty of items, but no-one uses them doese' > > > not grow customer confidentality.d > > >e > > > Ml > > J > > I don't doubt that the license base is 400K.  Possibly more even.  Let > > put it this way: > >eI > > The next time you get a letter or package where the US Postal Services" > > is involed, you can thank VMS.= > > The next time you get a FedEx package, you can thank VMS.SC > > The next time you trade a stock,  most likely you cn thank VMS.>I > > The next time you go to the hospital and they track your treatment ona# > > their system, you can thank VMS D > > The next time you fly in the US and you don't crash into another > > plane, you can thank VMS.tE > > The next time the AWACS goes up and tracks all aircraft along thet7 > > borders of the US to protest us, you can thank VMS.y >  > G >  JSTARS uses VMS. I guess they're being used to track all those pesky I > Canadians in those towns in Quebec that straddle the Quebec-Vermont and N > Quebec-Maine border. You know the ones...where the border goes right throughK > the middle of the town library reading room, or the gas station is on theoN > Canadian side of the border but the only entrance to it is on the US side ofL > the border and the nearest US customs station is 60 miles away as the road
 > travels. > 4 > AWACS?? I was not aware that VMS is used for that.    F Fromn what I know from sources in DOD the newest upgrade for the AWACSE will be on VMS from a UNIX system.  UNIX did not fair so well and had & problems handling the message traffic.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:54:05 -0500u< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?: Message-ID: <c34g2e$23p13v$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>   JF Mezei wrote:  >...; > NAV Canada which is in charge of the western side of moste> > trans-atlantic routes. I know that used to use VT terminals. However,> > I was under the impression that they had migrated to Unix in recent, > years ? Are they still very loyal to VMS ?  = I was talking to a person last October/November who is at NAV-> Canada now but how no longer works with VMS. He told me that a9 few weeks before he was in some room and noticed some VAXy= machines in a corner, when he asked he was told that they areo= running VMS and that they are used to control all the traffico over the North Atlantic.   -- w Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXh www.weaverconsulting.cao   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2004 06:59:23 -0800- From: phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer)   Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?= Message-ID: <5ee1d1b7.0403150659.20fc74f8@posting.google.com>   a Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message news:<87ptbgs6y4.fsf@prep.synonet.com>...a1 > phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer) writes:0 > D > > The next time you fly in the US and you don't crash into another > > plane, you can thank VMS.y >  > It is T64 here.o  D Is there air traffic in Western Australia?   :)  Seriously, I do notF know about the Air Traffic Control systems in Australia, but the stock market there is run on VMS.t   > E > > The next time the AWACS goes up and tracks all aircraft along thei7 > > borders of the US to protest us, you can thank VMS.l  >                        ^^^^^^^ >  > :) > 2 > Also T64 here, but about to be turfed for linux.    F Doesn't surprise me.  Due to FMS (Foreign Military Sales) restrictionsC you probably have the older version of the AWACS which was on UNX.   The latest is on VMS.    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2004 07:04:54 -0800- From: phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer)w  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?= Message-ID: <5ee1d1b7.0403150704.45aecb86@posting.google.com>a  a Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message news:<87llm4s6n1.fsf@prep.synonet.com>...r1 > phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer) writes:| > F > > So, I really don't care about counts.  I care about the quality ofG > > the counts that do exist.  Who cares if someone can rent a video orrF > > buy a toy.  Those are not truly mission critical system (except toB > > the people who are raking in the money from renting videos and > > selling toys.) > E > Ah, but they are the ones who buy the system. Video shops was a eyepC > opener for me. If the system is down, you don't know who has yourm@ > tapes, you can't service customers so they go across the road,D > possibly taking your tape with them, you don't know what tapes are@ > booked, so those customers are pissed off as well. And that isB > ignoring the money side of things if you have account deals withD > hospitals etc. As he told me, it is a very short step to close the# > door and walk away from the agro.   @ No doubt.  Mission critical is a relative thing. What is missionE critical to one person may not be to others.  In my opinion, whatever-D system I am working on at the time is mission-critical (to me and myF cash flow) and I treat them like that.  But I do have te remind people6 sometimes that there are some are more...how can I putF it...Life-critical....than others.  In other words, if the video tapesD are not being tracked because the system is down due to a hurricane,F don't bet I will risk my life to come in to the data center to get theF system back up and working so a branch hundreds of miles away can rent> videos.  However, if it is a hospital, I would probably do it.   PT   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:19:33 GMTa9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>l  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?/ Message-ID: <VXi5c.847$is.590@news.cpqcorp.net>n  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageC news:AGo4c.18510$iDG1.13569@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...-   >-4 > AWACS?? I was not aware that VMS is used for that. >@  3 I don't know the details, but the original one did.6   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:29:11 GMTd9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>z  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?/ Message-ID: <X4j5c.848$lu.478@news.cpqcorp.net>   7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messagee# news:4053F757.D156093B@istop.com...  > Paul Repacholi wrote:yJ > > > AFAIK, The next time you fly over the North Atlantic you can thank a > > > VAX running VMS. > >o& > > That the FAA side? or Eurocontrol? > J > NAV Canada which is in charge of the western side of most trans-atlanticH > routes. I know that used to use VT terminals. However, I was under theL > impression that they had migrated to Unix in recent years ? Are they still > very loyal to VMS ?A  L Hmmm.  I think I was just talking to them about Radeon's on DS20's.  So I'll guess they are still using VMS.    Here are a couple more:_  K - I took the full-day "back stage tour" at DisneyWorld a few years ago.  We J were under the Magic Kingdom when the parade started - and our tour got toL go into the control room for the parade - the VS4000 running VMS the guy was sitting at suprised me ;-)  G - If you have an inoperable brain tumor and end up at the University of@C Michigan Oncolology department for Stereotactic Radiosurgery (tightcK intersecting beams of focused radiation to kill a tumor) - the plan is done. on VMS 3D workstations.5   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Mar 2004 15:56:57 GMT2 From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@squeeeez.no-ip.com>  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?/ Message-ID: <slrnc5bki9.qf.thierry@MARS.Family>k  K On 2004-03-15, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG <VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote:b > {...snip...}I >>- If you have an inoperable brain tumor and end up at the University ofhE >>Michigan Oncolology department for Stereotactic Radiosurgery (tightMM >>intersecting beams of focused radiation to kill a tumor) - the plan is donec >>on VMS 3D workstations.e > N > I would certainly hope so!  If it was Willywarez, you might windup having anN > inoperable brain tumor treated and have the machine blue screen and ZAP yourM > entire brain away.  The only hope for you then is politics, a federal judge G > appointment or a management position in the Micro$haft security dept.   N Now one would come to wonder whether all this would be of any use with a brain+ having the same thinking capacity as yello?a   Thierry2   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:17:01 +0000 (UTC) ( From: m.kraemer@gsi.de (Michael Kraemer)  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?/ Message-ID: <c34ktt$i03$1@news.tu-darmstadt.de>e  S In article <00A2EDFF.861F1F0B@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:um > In article <X4j5c.848$lu.478@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes:p > {...snip...}J > >- If you have an inoperable brain tumor and end up at the University ofF > >Michigan Oncolology department for Stereotactic Radiosurgery (tightN > >intersecting beams of focused radiation to kill a tumor) - the plan is done > >on VMS 3D workstations. > N > I would certainly hope so!  If it was Willywarez, you might windup having anN > inoperable brain tumor treated and have the machine blue screen and ZAP yourM > entire brain away.  The only hope for you then is politics, a federal judgeeG > appointment or a management position in the Micro$haft security dept.e  4 Sorry, but I think I have to burst your bubble here.  = First, such treatment plans usually are prepared on computersm@ different from the computers which control the actual treatment.  E Second, AFAIK there's no vendor of commercial software left who still1< offers VMS based solutions for imaging or treatment planningB (last time I checked was around 1999/2000 and the situation surely% hasn't improved for VMS since then). nC So the original poster's observation is either a homegrown solutionc7 (which I highly doubt since they'll need FDA clearance) ' or a legacy system with no future left.s> All new offers of commercial TPSs are on UNIX/Windows/Linux orA combinations thereof. This follows the general trend in technicalw computing since the 90's.D  < Third, to make things worse, treatment controlling computersF often are indeed Windoze based, at least as far as visualization goes.@ You can just hope that the frontend controls doing the real work run on some realtime OS.   The windoze trend<6 is largely due to pressure from customers (physicians)< who seem to only accept what they know from home (windoze).    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:19:48 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?0 Message-ID: <00A2EDFF.861F1F0B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  k In article <X4j5c.848$lu.478@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes:0 {...snip...}H >- If you have an inoperable brain tumor and end up at the University ofD >Michigan Oncolology department for Stereotactic Radiosurgery (tightL >intersecting beams of focused radiation to kill a tumor) - the plan is done >on VMS 3D workstations.  L I would certainly hope so!  If it was Willywarez, you might windup having anL inoperable brain tumor treated and have the machine blue screen and ZAP yourK entire brain away.  The only hope for you then is politics, a federal judge0E appointment or a management position in the Micro$haft security dept.s --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.s -- sK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             s5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:41:12 GMTe# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>n  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?D Message-ID: <I0l5c.330$TxJ.196@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  D "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message) news:X4j5c.848$lu.478@news.cpqcorp.net..., >e9 > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messagem% > news:4053F757.D156093B@istop.com...- > > Paul Repacholi wrote: L > > > > AFAIK, The next time you fly over the North Atlantic you can thank a > > > > VAX running VMS. > > >7( > > > That the FAA side? or Eurocontrol? > > L > > NAV Canada which is in charge of the western side of most trans-atlanticJ > > routes. I know that used to use VT terminals. However, I was under theH > > impression that they had migrated to Unix in recent years ? Are they stilli > > very loyal to VMS ?. > I > Hmmm.  I think I was just talking to them about Radeon's on DS20's.  Sot I'll! > guess they are still using VMS.l >  > Here are a couple more:s >eI > - I took the full-day "back stage tour" at DisneyWorld a few years ago.e WeL > were under the Magic Kingdom when the parade started - and our tour got toJ > go into the control room for the parade - the VS4000 running VMS the guy was- > sitting at suprised me ;-) >4I > - If you have an inoperable brain tumor and end up at the University ofTE > Michigan Oncolology department for Stereotactic Radiosurgery (tightdH > intersecting beams of focused radiation to kill a tumor) - the plan is done > on VMS 3D workstations.     
 Gamma Knife??y   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2004 10:03:11 -0800! From: tom@kednos.com (Tom Linden)   Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?= Message-ID: <ef893e89.0403151003.76b16000@posting.google.com>l  t "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<ek_4c.1672$lnp1.117@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...9 > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message1% > news:4053BC0D.5D4AC4FC@istop.com...x > >(F > > If the toy company decides to migrate to AIX or whatever, it would >  probably be8 > > driven by lack of the desired application(s) on VMS. >  > L > And lack of advertising & marketing of VMS by HP makes it an easy decisionL > for all manner of ISV's, both current VMS and those not in the VMS market,L > to think that being in the VMS market is not a good use of their company's@ > resources and capital. Hence a lack of, or dwindling number of5 > applications - which HP seems to believe sells VMS.  > L > Wait a minute....I don't get paid $1MM+ annually by HP to make these sortsL > of strategic marketing decsions so how could I possibly see something that
 > HP doesn't?o  2 How about this for advertising  N.B.  address wrap  x http://www.infineon.com/cgi/ecrm.dll/jsp/showfrontend.do?lang=EN&news_nav_oid=-9979&content_type=NEWS&content_oid=100264   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:15:08 GMTe9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>e  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?/ Message-ID: <Mom5c.867$gB.588@news.cpqcorp.net>   K My understanding... The code was home grown over a long period of time, andeJ it does the treatment plan.  The reason they use it, from what I know - isJ that they have hundreds of thousands of lines of code that can't easily beK ported, and these things weren't off-the-shelf (you needed to find one of a5D handful of research hospitals).  They continue to use it (well, thisK information is probably a year old) because they can't afford to have *any*sK downtime - since any downtime/crash probably means one less plan that day - 4 and there are lots of people in line to get treated.    5 "Michael Kraemer" <m.kraemer@gsi.de> wrote in messageb) news:c34ktt$i03$1@news.tu-darmstadt.de...t: > In article <00A2EDFF.861F1F0B@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:2E > > In article <X4j5c.848$lu.478@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge"j) <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes:5 > > {...snip...}L > > >- If you have an inoperable brain tumor and end up at the University ofH > > >Michigan Oncolology department for Stereotactic Radiosurgery (tightK > > >intersecting beams of focused radiation to kill a tumor) - the plan iso done > > >on VMS 3D workstations. > > F > > I would certainly hope so!  If it was Willywarez, you might windup	 having anrK > > inoperable brain tumor treated and have the machine blue screen and ZAP  yourI > > entire brain away.  The only hope for you then is politics, a federale judge I > > appointment or a management position in the Micro$haft security dept.e >t6 > Sorry, but I think I have to burst your bubble here. >t? > First, such treatment plans usually are prepared on computerstB > different from the computers which control the actual treatment. >tG > Second, AFAIK there's no vendor of commercial software left who stills> > offers VMS based solutions for imaging or treatment planningD > (last time I checked was around 1999/2000 and the situation surely& > hasn't improved for VMS since then).E > So the original poster's observation is either a homegrown solution 9 > (which I highly doubt since they'll need FDA clearance)t) > or a legacy system with no future left.n@ > All new offers of commercial TPSs are on UNIX/Windows/Linux orC > combinations thereof. This follows the general trend in technicalV > computing since the 90's.r >b> > Third, to make things worse, treatment controlling computersH > often are indeed Windoze based, at least as far as visualization goes.B > You can just hope that the frontend controls doing the real work > run on some realtime OS. >s > The windoze trend 8 > is largely due to pressure from customers (physicians)= > who seem to only accept what they know from home (windoze).t   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:33:26 +0000 (UTC)i From: m.kraemer@gsi.de  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?/ Message-ID: <c34stm$kvp$1@news.tu-darmstadt.de>s  k In article <Mom5c.867$gB.588@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes:- > M > My understanding... The code was home grown over a long period of time, anduL > it does the treatment plan.  The reason they use it, from what I know - isL > that they have hundreds of thousands of lines of code that can't easily beM > ported, and these things weren't off-the-shelf (you needed to find one of arF > handful of research hospitals).  They continue to use it (well, thisM > information is probably a year old) because they can't afford to have *any* M > downtime - since any downtime/crash probably means one less plan that day -w6 > and there are lots of people in line to get treated. >   H well, this seems to be the typical never-touch-a-running-system approachH when the main authors who understand all the code have left the team ...  I But still I wonder how easy/difficult it was to get FDA clearance or suchkB like. Even research hospitals will have to follow some rules here.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:41:59 GMTt9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>h  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?/ Message-ID: <HVl5c.863$0G.576@news.cpqcorp.net>m  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message> news:I0l5c.330$TxJ.196@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... >-F > "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message+ > news:X4j5c.848$lu.478@news.cpqcorp.net...a > >S; > > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message ' > > news:4053F757.D156093B@istop.com...s > > > Paul Repacholi wrote:QL > > > > > AFAIK, The next time you fly over the North Atlantic you can thank as > > > > > VAX running VMS. > > > >n* > > > > That the FAA side? or Eurocontrol? > > >t? > > > NAV Canada which is in charge of the western side of mosth trans-atlanticL > > > routes. I know that used to use VT terminals. However, I was under theJ > > > impression that they had migrated to Unix in recent years ? Are they > still- > > > very loyal to VMS ?  > >1K > > Hmmm.  I think I was just talking to them about Radeon's on DS20's.  So  > I'll# > > guess they are still using VMS.  > >5 > > Here are a couple more:- > >nK > > - I took the full-day "back stage tour" at DisneyWorld a few years ago.  > WeK > > were under the Magic Kingdom when the parade started - and our tour got  toL > > go into the control room for the parade - the VS4000 running VMS the guy > was  > > sitting at suprised me ;-) > >oK > > - If you have an inoperable brain tumor and end up at the University ofaG > > Michigan Oncolology department for Stereotactic Radiosurgery (tight J > > intersecting beams of focused radiation to kill a tumor) - the plan is > done > > on VMS 3D workstations.  >d >  > Gamma Knife??e >u  L Yup.  Although I thought that specific term was coined for someones specific implementation.T   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:43:55 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>h  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?/ Message-ID: <vXl5c.864$fD.854@news.cpqcorp.net>-  : "PhilThayer" <phillip_thayer@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:5ee1d1b7.0403150659.20fc74f8@posting.google.com... 9 > Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in messagem) news:<87ptbgs6y4.fsf@prep.synonet.com>...o3 > > phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer) writes:2 > >iF > > > The next time you fly in the US and you don't crash into another > > > plane, you can thank VMS.  > >n > > It is T64 here.c >lF > Is there air traffic in Western Australia?   :)  Seriously, I do notH > know about the Air Traffic Control systems in Australia, but the stock > market there is run on VMS.T >  > >iG > > > The next time the AWACS goes up and tracks all aircraft along the 9 > > > borders of the US to protest us, you can thank VMS. " > >                        ^^^^^^^ > >  > > :) > > 4 > > Also T64 here, but about to be turfed for linux. >d >eH > Doesn't surprise me.  Due to FMS (Foreign Military Sales) restrictionsD > you probably have the older version of the AWACS which was on UNX. > The latest is on VMS.n  J If I remember correctly, it had been VMS originally (or my defense buddies# tell me - and they generally know).I   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:04:19 GMTm# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>   Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?F Message-ID: <T6n5c.1701$TxJ.1130@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  D "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message) news:HVl5c.863$0G.576@news.cpqcorp.net...o ><0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message@ > news:I0l5c.330$TxJ.196@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > >wH > > "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message- > > news:X4j5c.848$lu.478@news.cpqcorp.net...> > > >l= > > > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messagee) > > > news:4053F757.D156093B@istop.com..., > > > > Paul Repacholi wrote:nH > > > > > > AFAIK, The next time you fly over the North Atlantic you can thankt > a  > > > > > > VAX running VMS.	 > > > > >E, > > > > > That the FAA side? or Eurocontrol? > > > > A > > > > NAV Canada which is in charge of the western side of mosta > trans-atlanticJ > > > > routes. I know that used to use VT terminals. However, I was under thesL > > > > impression that they had migrated to Unix in recent years ? Are they	 > > stilli > > > > very loyal to VMS ?- > > >-I > > > Hmmm.  I think I was just talking to them about Radeon's on DS20's.b So > > I'll% > > > guess they are still using VMS.- > > >7 > > > Here are a couple more:g > > >.H > > > - I took the full-day "back stage tour" at DisneyWorld a few years ago. > > WeI > > > were under the Magic Kingdom when the parade started - and our toura got  > toJ > > > go into the control room for the parade - the VS4000 running VMS the guys > > wase  > > > sitting at suprised me ;-) > > > J > > > - If you have an inoperable brain tumor and end up at the University ofI > > > Michigan Oncolology department for Stereotactic Radiosurgery (tight L > > > intersecting beams of focused radiation to kill a tumor) - the plan is > > done > > > on VMS 3D workstations.n > >  > >s > > Gamma Knife??  > >a >sE > Yup.  Although I thought that specific term was coined for someones  specific > implementation.t    H You may be correct in that. It's also used for tumors in/near the spinal column.k  H [OT]: Just a word of advice to all - if you see any blood in your urine,E run, don't walk, to an oncologist that day and get checked for kidneyiG tumors. It's usually the first sign of a kidney tumor, and if untreated8H immediately you can count your time remaining as under 6 months - it's aJ very aggressive form. A family member succumbed to it not long ago, and he# was a radiation oncologist himself.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:19:29 GMTr# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>o  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?E Message-ID: <5ln5c.1706$TxJ.413@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>t  . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message7 news:ef893e89.0403151003.76b16000@posting.google.com... 0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageE news:<ek_4c.1672$lnp1.117@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>... ; > > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messageh' > > news:4053BC0D.5D4AC4FC@istop.com...  > > > H > > > If the toy company decides to migrate to AIX or whatever, it would > >  probably be: > > > driven by lack of the desired application(s) on VMS. > >u > >:E > > And lack of advertising & marketing of VMS by HP makes it an easy  decisionF > > for all manner of ISV's, both current VMS and those not in the VMS market,nD > > to think that being in the VMS market is not a good use of their	 company'snB > > resources and capital. Hence a lack of, or dwindling number of7 > > applications - which HP seems to believe sells VMS.t > >nH > > Wait a minute....I don't get paid $1MM+ annually by HP to make these sorts I > > of strategic marketing decsions so how could I possibly see somethingo that > > HP doesn't?u > 4 > How about this for advertising  N.B.  address wrap >r >,L http://www.infineon.com/cgi/ecrm.dll/jsp/showfrontend.do?lang=EN&news_nav_oi, d=-9979&content_type=NEWS&content_oid=100264    J How about that!!!  Here's a company whose products are buried inside otherL products - chips and other gizmo's for which there are maybe only a thousandF possible volume purchasers in the world. And they see fit to advertiseE themselves and their product lines in airports of the world, reachingnJ hundreds of millions of people who could never possibly know what the f!ck& they make or how it will benefit them.  J Yet HP, which has a platform and o/s which could tangibly benefit millionsJ of businesses and other organizations around the world spends not one dime on advertising VMS.0    K I had an interesting conversation with somebody the other night at a party.y? We started talking about her business (movie/television program E distribution) and they started to tell me about their system problemsFI (Solaris and Windows). Naturally I tell her about VMS and she says to me,uE "Why have I never heard of this operating system before?" She went tooA university/grad school during the 90's...only saw unix and widows1H there...never saw an ad for VMS...never came across any company that wasK using it...but was intrigued by VMS none-the-less after I finished speakinga	 with her.r  L Imagine the possibilities of ISV's being able to successfully turning chanceJ encounters like this or planned sales calls into firm orders for VMS-basedK systems and apps just because HP did some advertising to raise the level of:J conciousness about VMS among potential purchasers but one billionth of one degree above absolute zero.e   The mind boggles.....e   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:57:52 GMTe9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>   Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?/ Message-ID: <4Vn5c.887$zI.539@news.cpqcorp.net>h  # <m.kraemer@gsi.de> wrote in messagee) news:c34stm$kvp$1@news.tu-darmstadt.de...  > J > well, this seems to be the typical never-touch-a-running-system approachJ > when the main authors who understand all the code have left the team ... >t  J I don't think that this is the case, but I think more that the time/effort  to port the code is prohibitive.  K > But still I wonder how easy/difficult it was to get FDA clearance or such.D > like. Even research hospitals will have to follow some rules here.  L No idea.  I've only dealt with this 3rd hand with the guy who was supporting them.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:08:01 GMTn" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?0 Message-ID: <00A2EE27.C928DA2C@SendSpamHere.ORG>  l In article <T6n5c.1701$TxJ.1130@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: {...snip...}I >[OT]: Just a word of advice to all - if you see any blood in your urine,:F >run, don't walk, to an oncologist that day and get checked for kidneyH >tumors. It's usually the first sign of a kidney tumor, and if untreatedI >immediately you can count your time remaining as under 6 months - it's anK >very aggressive form. A family member succumbed to it not long ago, and hee$ >was a radiation oncologist himself.  E Let's not frighten everybody.  Blood in the urine can come from otherhF nephrotic conditions as well as several urological conditions that areG not life threatening.  I'd think I'd first see my nephrologist if bloode appeared in my urine.   @ BTW, having blood in the uring will make it look like coca-cola.   --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.g -- uK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMi            g5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" n   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:13:20 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?0 Message-ID: <00A2EE28.87E0A37B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Z In article <c34ktt$i03$1@news.tu-darmstadt.de>, m.kraemer@gsi.de (Michael Kraemer) writes:T >In article <00A2EDFF.861F1F0B@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:n >> In article <X4j5c.848$lu.478@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes: >> {...snip...}MK >> >- If you have an inoperable brain tumor and end up at the University ofeG >> >Michigan Oncolology department for Stereotactic Radiosurgery (tight O >> >intersecting beams of focused radiation to kill a tumor) - the plan is doneC >> >on VMS 3D workstations.i >> eO >> I would certainly hope so!  If it was Willywarez, you might windup having anxO >> inoperable brain tumor treated and have the machine blue screen and ZAP your N >> entire brain away.  The only hope for you then is politics, a federal judgeH >> appointment or a management position in the Micro$haft security dept. >25 >Sorry, but I think I have to burst your bubble here.r > > >First, such treatment plans usually are prepared on computersA >different from the computers which control the actual treatment.a > F >Second, AFAIK there's no vendor of commercial software left who still= >offers VMS based solutions for imaging or treatment planningdC >(last time I checked was around 1999/2000 and the situation surely.& >hasn't improved for VMS since then). D >So the original poster's observation is either a homegrown solution8 >(which I highly doubt since they'll need FDA clearance)( >or a legacy system with no future left.? >All new offers of commercial TPSs are on UNIX/Windows/Linux oreB >combinations thereof. This follows the general trend in technical >computing since the 90's. >M= >Third, to make things worse, treatment controlling computersVG >often are indeed Windoze based, at least as far as visualization goes.nA >You can just hope that the frontend controls doing the real work  >run on some realtime OS.a >a >The windoze trend7 >is largely due to pressure from customers (physicians)t= >who seem to only accept what they know from home (windoze). h  I What a sorry sod.  You need to go visit your physician and get yourself a: healthy overdose of humor.     --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.@ -- oK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMl            .5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" n   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2004 14:41:15 -0800- From: phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer)o  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?= Message-ID: <5ee1d1b7.0403151441.66a42bea@posting.google.com>   p "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message news:<vXl5c.864$fD.854@news.cpqcorp.net>...< > "PhilThayer" <phillip_thayer@hotmail.com> wrote in message9 > news:5ee1d1b7.0403150659.20fc74f8@posting.google.com...a; > > Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in messagec, >  news:<87ptbgs6y4.fsf@prep.synonet.com>...5 > > > phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer) writes:  > > >oH > > > > The next time you fly in the US and you don't crash into another! > > > > plane, you can thank VMS.  > > >, > > > It is T64 here.  > > H > > Is there air traffic in Western Australia?   :)  Seriously, I do notJ > > know about the Air Traffic Control systems in Australia, but the stock > > market there is run on VMS.  > >t > > > I > > > > The next time the AWACS goes up and tracks all aircraft along theS; > > > > borders of the US to protest us, you can thank VMS.f$ > > >                        ^^^^^^^ > > >t > > > :) > > >k6 > > > Also T64 here, but about to be turfed for linux. > >d > >rJ > > Doesn't surprise me.  Due to FMS (Foreign Military Sales) restrictionsF > > you probably have the older version of the AWACS which was on UNX. > > The latest is on VMS.h > L > If I remember correctly, it had been VMS originally (or my defense buddies% > tell me - and they generally know).y  E Very True.  The originla AWACS platform used VMS and was later portedtC to UNIX.  It perfomed so miserably that they are now moving back to  VMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:21:46 +0100O9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>N4 Subject: Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help.' Message-ID: <40562C7A.9AE5892F@aaa.com>-   > > -------begin-------- > > G > > ^XA^IDR:*.*^XZ^XA^MMT^LH8,006^XZ~DGEG1,11760,24,zFzFzFzFzFzFzFzFzFweD > > XFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgL > > ...1  7 This is ZPL2, "Zebra Printer Language, version 2", It's./ perfectly readable if you know the language :-)s3 It's used to "program" printers from www.zebra.com.e Realy nice printers, b.t.w  9 Now, this isn't a simple "file transfer", you have to runU; some code that produces the ZPL code. It could be a Windows < printer driver, some of the applications that Zebra delivers< or JetForm (maybe the best form handling software from label; and laser printers. There was even a complete form managingA; package for VMS, "JetForm Merge" that merged text data with = formes stored on VMS to produce laser printouts with barcodesf% and all. Used it and loved it lot...)   8 Anyway, you *have* to find out how this was done before. Re-hire the former guy !!r  * (Or call me if this is in Sweden :-) :-) )  ? And, when it comes to the transfer of the file, it plain-ASCII,l= so it's no prolem at all. Just FTP in ASCII mode, or copy theD@ file to an SAMBA/Pathworks share. Or even "cut" from Notepad and< "paste" into a terminal window after a "create somefile.zpl"
 command...  	 Jan-Erik.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:30:30 +0100  From: Harry <nomail@mail.com> 4 Subject: Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help.8 Message-ID: <dcbc50pvfrbufm4n4ecr7u6173f971643l@4ax.com>  E On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:21:46 +0100, Jan-Erik Sderholm <aaa@aaa.com> s >s8 >This is ZPL2, "Zebra Printer Language, version 2", It's0 >perfectly readable if you know the language :-)4 >It's used to "program" printers from www.zebra.com. >Realy nice printers, b.t.wS > : >Now, this isn't a simple "file transfer", you have to run< >some code that produces the ZPL code. It could be a Windows= >printer driver, some of the applications that Zebra deliversb= >or JetForm (maybe the best form handling software from label < >and laser printers. There was even a complete form managing< >package for VMS, "JetForm Merge" that merged text data with> >formes stored on VMS to produce laser printouts with barcodes& >and all. Used it and loved it lot...) >m9 >Anyway, you *have* to find out how this was done before.g >Re-hire the former guy !! >o+ >(Or call me if this is in Sweden :-) :-) )h >h@ >And, when it comes to the transfer of the file, it plain-ASCII,> >so it's no prolem at all. Just FTP in ASCII mode, or copy theA >file to an SAMBA/Pathworks share. Or even "cut" from Notepad andr= >"paste" into a terminal window after a "create somefile.zpl"r >command...m >y
 >Jan-Erik.  ? Jan Erik,thank you very much !! it is indeed a file for a ZebrahC printer. We have the program "Easy Label" that came with printers. t  F With that software we made the tekstfile. Is there maybe a way that we! can save the file in "ZPL"code ?     Harryt   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:56:07 +0100e! From: Harry <noemail@geenmail.nl>A0 Subject: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help.8 Message-ID: <30nb5010ceigm8dvoa66j3o7qkfs24ork7@4ax.com>  
 Dear readers,s  & We have the following problem at work:  D We have some txt files we want to transfer to a OpenVMS system. ThisE is done before, but no ones knows how it is done (people) who did it,n don't work here anymore)  < The problem is that the files are in someway translated when transfered to the vms system.a  6 We use a win2000 system as client for the FTP transfer The Server is an OpenVMS 6.2  + The original file looks like the following:r  w ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------begin------------------l  ? Geprint om 14:28 op 02-03-04                      EASYLABEL 32,r GEOSTICK BV UITHOORN Pag. 1  9                                                    Formatw testIP-Australi Specifications-  & FORMAT TESTIP-AUSTRALI SPECIFICATIONS)  Printertype            : 6 - Zebra 140Xis  Gedefinieerde velden   : 67&  Omschrijving           : NIEUWE LAOUT#  SchermRichting         : 1-Normaale"  Printhoogte            : 150.0 mm"  Printbreedte           : 128.0 mm  Etikettussenruimte     : Ja  4 ---end----------just a part from the total file-----  : when we transfer the file to the vms it still is the same.  F The files that are transfered before,(and this is how we actually want them to be) are look like this:M   -------begin--------  C ^XA^IDR:*.*^XZ^XA^MMT^LH8,006^XZ~DGEG1,11760,24,zFzFzFzFzFzFzFzFzFw?@ XFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgL@ FE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLF@ E0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgPFF00007JFFEJ07FgPFF0B 0007JFFEJ07FgPFF00007JFFEJ07FgPFF00007JFFEJ07FgPFF00007JFFEJ07FgPFB F00007JFFEJ07FgPFF00007JFFEJ07FgPFF00007JFFEJ07FgPFF00003JFFEJ07FgC PFF00003JFFEJ07FgPFF00003JFFEJ07FgPFF00003JFFEJ07FgPFF00001JFFCJ07F D gPFF00001JFFCJ07FgPFF0J0JFF8J07FgPFF0J0JFF0J07FgPFF0J03FFFE0J07FgPFF@ 0J00FFFC0J07FgPFF0J003FFL0gRFF8T0gRFFCR001gRFFCR001gRFFCR001gRFF> ER001gRFFER001gTFR003gTFR007gTF80P007gTFC0P00FgTFC0P01FgTFE0P0@ 1FgTFF0P03FgTFFCP07FgTFFCN001gXFN003gXF80L007gXFC0L01FgXFF0L07Fh  @ ------end file------a part of total file------------------------  C My question: What kind of transfer method or translation is used tor get the above change ?  6 (BTW the two examples are not exactly the same files).  ! I hope someone can help with thisr Thanks very much in advancen Harry.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:46:13 +0100n" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>4 Subject: Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help.. Message-ID: <c35164$2k7i$1@biggoron.nerim.net>  C use WSFTP, enable ASCII transfer mode and Bob should be your Uncle.-   D.   Harry wrote:   > Dear readers,G > ( > We have the following problem at work: > F > We have some txt files we want to transfer to a OpenVMS system. ThisG > is done before, but no ones knows how it is done (people) who did it,n > don't work here anymore) > > > The problem is that the files are in someway translated when > transfered to the vms system.c   --  2 VAXUS - Your new helpful friend in the DEC Family!2 EHQ: 19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France/       Phone: +336 7983 6418 Fax: +335 6154 1928s$                 http://www.vaxus.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:16:06 +0100t! From: Harry <noemail@geenmail.nl>r4 Subject: Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help.8 Message-ID: <bm3c5092boolffiera57hf8tgpencu3bau@4ax.com>  @ On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:46:13 +0100, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote:  D >use WSFTP, enable ASCII transfer mode and Bob should be your Uncle. >e >D.  >n@ Thanks for the reply. I'v tried it, but still the sam result.... Any idees ?    Harry.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:24:30 -0500j* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>4 Subject: Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help.) Message-ID: <405610FC.1AE0FBD6@istop.com>S   Harry wrote:( > FORMAT TESTIP-AUSTRALI SPECIFICATIONS+ >  Printertype            : 6 - Zebra 140Xin >  Gedefinieerde velden   : 67H > The files that are transfered before,(and this is how we actually want! > them to be) are look like this:o >  > -------begin-------- > E > ^XA^IDR:*.*^XZ^XA^MMT^LH8,006^XZ~DGEG1,11760,24,zFzFzFzFzFzFzFzFzFwiB > XFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLB > FE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLF    C I suspect that the format you want is an encoded form of the data.    3 It could not be BASE64 because the later only uses:o@ ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789+/  9 If it were UUENCODE, you'd have a "begin 666" at the top.t    F If you are Using FTP, there are FTP servers/clients that automaticallyJ gunzuip/gzip files if there is a .gz in the rmote or local file extension.J However, the contents would be "binary" and not printable characters only.    L Perhaps if you explained why you need the "gibberish" format on VMS, insteadN of the readable text file, we could speculate more on what format/features the5 "gibberish" format is and how it was obtained before.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:27:15 +0100 ! From: Harry <noemail@geenmail.nl>y4 Subject: Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help.8 Message-ID: <894c509pkuq7ife1nk9okve5omtngo9krj@4ax.com>   >sD >I suspect that the format you want is an encoded form of the data.  >h4 >It could not be BASE64 because the later only uses:A >ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789+/i >g: >If it were UUENCODE, you'd have a "begin 666" at the top. >a >oG >If you are Using FTP, there are FTP servers/clients that automaticallysK >gunzuip/gzip files if there is a .gz in the rmote or local file extension. K >However, the contents would be "binary" and not printable characters only.1 >9 > M >Perhaps if you explained why you need the "gibberish" format on VMS, insteadsO >of the readable text file, we could speculate more on what format/features the.6 >"gibberish" format is and how it was obtained before.  @ The application on the VMS-system needs the file to send it to a/ barcode printer. It 's a macro for a printfile.    Harry.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:59:50 -0500c( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>4 Subject: Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help., Message-ID: <40560B36.3050100@tsoft-inc.com>   Harry wrote:   > Dear readers,m > ( > We have the following problem at work: > F > We have some txt files we want to transfer to a OpenVMS system. ThisG > is done before, but no ones knows how it is done (people) who did it,r > don't work here anymore) > > > The problem is that the files are in someway translated when > transfered to the vms system.h > 8 > We use a win2000 system as client for the FTP transfer > The Server is an OpenVMS 6.2 > - > The original file looks like the following:  > y > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------begin------------------@ > A > Geprint om 14:28 op 02-03-04                      EASYLABEL 32,0 > GEOSTICK BV UITHOORN > Pag. 1 > ; >                                                    Formatm! > testIP-Australi Specificationsl > ( > FORMAT TESTIP-AUSTRALI SPECIFICATIONS+ >  Printertype            : 6 - Zebra 140Xi  >  Gedefinieerde velden   : 67( >  Omschrijving           : NIEUWE LAOUT% >  SchermRichting         : 1-Normaal $ >  Printhoogte            : 150.0 mm$ >  Printbreedte           : 128.0 mm >  Etikettussenruimte     : Ja > 6 > ---end----------just a part from the total file----- > < > when we transfer the file to the vms it still is the same. > H > The files that are transfered before,(and this is how we actually want! > them to be) are look like this:i >  > -------begin-------- > E > ^XA^IDR:*.*^XZ^XA^MMT^LH8,006^XZ~DGEG1,11760,24,zFzFzFzFzFzFzFzFzFwSB > XFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLB > FE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFB > E0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgPFF00007JFFEJ07FgPFF0D > 0007JFFEJ07FgPFF00007JFFEJ07FgPFF00007JFFEJ07FgPFF00007JFFEJ07FgPFD > F00007JFFEJ07FgPFF00007JFFEJ07FgPFF00007JFFEJ07FgPFF00003JFFEJ07FgE > PFF00003JFFEJ07FgPFF00003JFFEJ07FgPFF00003JFFEJ07FgPFF00001JFFCJ07F F > gPFF00001JFFCJ07FgPFF0J0JFF8J07FgPFF0J0JFF0J07FgPFF0J03FFFE0J07FgPFFB > 0J00FFFC0J07FgPFF0J003FFL0gRFF8T0gRFFCR001gRFFCR001gRFFCR001gRFF@ > ER001gRFFER001gTFR003gTFR007gTF80P007gTFC0P00FgTFC0P01FgTFE0P0B > 1FgTFF0P03FgTFFCP07FgTFFCN001gXFN003gXF80L007gXFC0L01FgXFF0L07Fh > B > ------end file------a part of total file------------------------ > E > My question: What kind of transfer method or translation is used to  > get the above change ? > 8 > (BTW the two examples are not exactly the same files). > # > I hope someone can help with this" > Thanks very much in advanceo > Harry. >   O If you truly want the file to look like your second example, then I'm guessing iO is't some print image with imbedded printer commands and such.  Are you moving i1 the file to VMS in order to send it to a printer?d  M If you desire the second example, then I'd try to do a BINARY transfer.  FTP  " HELP will show you how to do this.   Dave   -- r4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roade Vanderbilt, PA  15486t   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:52:32 +0100f! From: Harry <noemail@geenmail.nl>w4 Subject: Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help.8 Message-ID: <al5c50d0hqh4iohlhk3gj63bkbtbamdk2q@4ax.com>   >wP >If you truly want the file to look like your second example, then I'm guessing P >is't some print image with imbedded printer commands and such.  Are you moving 2 >the file to VMS in order to send it to a printer?  E Yes, that's correct !! it is a macro for the printer connected to the-? VMS. Software on the VMS will add date en another number beforeh	 printing.h   >rN >If you desire the second example, then I'd try to do a BINARY transfer.  FTP # >HELP will show you how to do this.t >eD I'v already done a binary transfer. With the command prompt and also/ with WS_FTP an with our local "FTP -reflection"    >Dave    Harry.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:06:55 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>4 Subject: Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help.) Message-ID: <40561AEB.128A0395@istop.com>n   David Froble wrote: N > If you desire the second example, then I'd try to do a BINARY transfer.  FTP$ > HELP will show you how to do this.  K No, that can't be that simple. A binary transfer won't transform a readable, stream of bytes into gibberish.s  M If the text file was somwhoe transformed into "gibberish" that was usable foraF some bar code printer, then some software/program would have kicked inT somewhere along the line to transform the plain text file into the gibberish format.  H One possibility, which seems to have been done fairly often is to have aG process on VMS that is contantly running and looking for files recentlyw< deposited to a directory by FTP and the process those files.  L So your wintel box would deposit the text files, and a couple minutes later,J the process would convert them to binary gibberish and delete the original- text file to ensure it isn't processed again.u  K If that process isn't started, then it would explain why your files stay ine3 text format after being downloaded to the VMS host.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 22:45:44 -0000t5 From: "Robert A.M. van Lopik" <lopik@mail.telepac.pt>a4 Subject: Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help.: Message-ID: <c35bnb$23gaee$1@ID-191217.news.uni-berlin.de>  * "Harry" <nomail@mail.com> wrote in message2 news:dcbc50pvfrbufm4n4ecr7u6173f971643l@4ax.com...F > On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:21:46 +0100, Jan-Erik Sderholm <aaa@aaa.com> > >r: > >This is ZPL2, "Zebra Printer Language, version 2", It's2 > >perfectly readable if you know the language :-)6 > >It's used to "program" printers from www.zebra.com. > >Realy nice printers, b.t.w/ > >w< > >Now, this isn't a simple "file transfer", you have to run> > >some code that produces the ZPL code. It could be a Windows? > >printer driver, some of the applications that Zebra delivers ? > >or JetForm (maybe the best form handling software from labelo> > >and laser printers. There was even a complete form managing> > >package for VMS, "JetForm Merge" that merged text data with@ > >formes stored on VMS to produce laser printouts with barcodes( > >and all. Used it and loved it lot...) > > ; > >Anyway, you *have* to find out how this was done before.3 > >Re-hire the former guy !! > >s- > >(Or call me if this is in Sweden :-) :-) )- > >cB > >And, when it comes to the transfer of the file, it plain-ASCII,@ > >so it's no prolem at all. Just FTP in ASCII mode, or copy theC > >file to an SAMBA/Pathworks share. Or even "cut" from Notepad anda? > >"paste" into a terminal window after a "create somefile.zpl"a
 > >command..., > >  > >Jan-Erik. > A > Jan Erik,thank you very much !! it is indeed a file for a ZebraeD > printer. We have the program "Easy Label" that came with printers. > H > With that software we made the tekstfile. Is there maybe a way that we" > can save the file in "ZPL"code ? >  > Harryd >e Harry,  K now that I know that it is about a Zebra printer, I think I might know somemE people in the Netherlands that used this on VMS; maybe they still do.t1 Contact me off-line (and in Dutch if you want to)p  
 rob van lopika   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:54:35 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>c4 Subject: Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help.' Message-ID: <4056342B.8CBDDAFD@aaa.com>e  A > Jan Erik,thank you very much !! it is indeed a file for a Zebra0D > printer. We have the program "Easy Label" that came with printers.  @ Aha !! And you didn't know this when you first posted ?? :-) :-)   > + > With that software we made the tekstfile.c  1 What is in that textfile ? Plain text that shouldl4 be merged with some "form" to produce the ZPL file ? And it's stored on a PC ?d  @ > Is there maybe a way that we can save the file in "ZPL" code ?  ; When you say "save the file in "ZPL" code", you are talkinge> about the merged file, with both form and actual "data" in it. Right ?o  ; Now, you have to find out how this was done. Was it done ona7 the PC ? With the same tool ? Or was you actuly running % something on VMS to merge the files ?o  	 Jan-Erik.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 09:23:58 -0500t2 From: Chip Coldwell <coldwell@physics.harvard.edu>- Subject: Re: UNIX signals and threads problemiL Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0403110921070.24731-100000@localhost.localdomain>  + On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Robert Trawinski wrote:I  	 > Hi all,k > N > We've got problem with handling UNIX signals. Here is small example program:   [ ... snip ... ]  $ >      signal(SIGINT, crtlC_action);% >      signal(SIGTERM, crtlC_action);e   [ ... snip ... ]   > void crtlC_action(int x) > {c" >      printf("crtlC_action\n\n"); > }r    D Now, I don't know for a fact that this is your problem, but you haveF violated POSIX with the above.  Only a very limited subset of the libcD routines are allowed to be called from signal handlers, and "printf"E isn't among them.  I recommend the book "POSIX Programmer's Guide" byhC Donald Lewine (pub by O'Reilly & Assoc) which has a good chapter oneD the subject (including a list of all the approved library routines).   Chip   --   Charles M. "Chip" Coldwell System Administrator Harvard Physics Department 617-495-3388   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Mar 2004 14:37:27 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)z5 Subject: Re: US Navy and VMS (was: Toys R Us and VMS)-3 Message-ID: <fs+ay+5oAyrq@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  m In article <5ee1d1b7.0403121137.62dcc072@posting.google.com>, phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer) writes:l  F > Oh, yeah,  and by the way,  all these systems run 24x365 without anyE > blue screens shutting them down, not unlike what happened when theytF > tried to integrate Windoze into the Aircraft Carriers in the US Navy   I remember that story.  @ > (all of which have been replaced with....you guessed it, VMS.)  " Can you say more about that part ?   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2004 07:15:08 -0800- From: phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer)VE Subject: Re: USB and SYS$OHCIDRIVER (was: Re: Strange Device name...)r= Message-ID: <5ee1d1b7.0403100715.273740d6@posting.google.com>n  Z Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@hp.com> wrote in message news:<404E1539.4BBEC3EB@hp.com>... > PhilThayer wrote:  > > H > > This particular system would be an ES40 M2 that was bought used.  ItI > > has two USB ports on the back.  Something that would be nice is to beNF > > able to connect one of them to a USB laser printer and be ab le toF > > setup a print queue to it.  Something else that was asked here wasG > > whether the USB ports would support any type of wierless networkingmD > > device so that the AlphaServer could be connected to aq wireless > > network. > > / > > Any plans for these types of functionality?. > ; > 	The USB controller in the ES40 is based on an Acer chip  D > set.  There are some known problems with the Acer and the hardwareC > teams for the DS10 and the ES40 decided to pull support for that 0B > chip.  In the DS10 the firmware actually goes out of its way to 2 > hide the device so that OpenVMS will not see it. > : > 	On the ES40 there is one problem that there is not fix C > for and one that you might see that there is a fix for.  The one 5C > that you cannot get a fix for it that the hardware does not tell  A > the O.S. about a root hub unplug of a device.  So plugging and t= > unplugging does not work.  The second problem is that some tC > number of systems shipped with controllers with to much filtering B > on the USB signals.  The symptom on these systems is that deviceB > that need to use 12Mbs will not configure.  There is a hardware < > ECO for this sorry I don't have the exact ECO data for it. > ; > 	If you have V7.3-2 installed and you are willing to live C > with the root hub unplug issue, and using unsupported hardware.   7 > You can get a make the following addition to the fileV! > sys$system:sys$user_config.dat.l > . > device          = "ACER 5237 USB Controller" >   name          = OH" >   driver        = SYS$OHCIDRIVER >   adapter       = PCId >   id            = 0x523710B9 > end_device > 8 > 	This will get OpenVMS to start up the USB bus on the < > system, and to start up the USB Configuration Manage "UCM"= > process.  If you plug in a USB printer what will happen is o; > we will see it and the UCM will generate a configuration  + > record.  You need to use the UCM command:h >  > 	$ UCM ADD DEVICE LPA0 > 2 > 	To get the system to configure the printer the 8 > next time you plug in the printer we will configure a 8 > driver for it.  Note that the association may ne keyed7 > to where you plug it in.  If the device has a serial a7 > number we use that if not we use where on the bus we r > found it to match it up. > 1 > 	All the printer driver does it promise to get  8 > the bytes out the the printer you need some other tool8 > to generate the postscript.  At the present time DCPS , > does not work with the USB printer driver. >  >  > Forrest Kenney > OpenVMS Development   C That is very informative.  Thanks for the detail on the reponse.  ImB may try that sometime when I have the chance to play with the USB.  @ What about Wireless networking?  Any possibilities on that side?   PT   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:41:53 -0600d2 From: "-Andy-" <see2go4me@spamdelicious.yahoo.com>E Subject: Re: USB and SYS$OHCIDRIVER (was: Re: Strange Device name...)s6 Message-ID: <Xns94A876FF99757see2go4me@216.196.97.132>  < phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer) enlightened us on 10 Mar 2004 with: 1    7 > What about Wireless networking?  Any possibilities on"
 > that side? o  8 Wouldn't it make more sense to get one of those gadgets 6 that lets you attach an ethernet device to a wireless 8 network (Not sure of the official name of such a thing.)  3 I've got a cheap/slow one [802.11b] attached to my M4 Alphaserver 400 to connect it to my broadband router at home.    "D-Link AirPlus DWL-810+"B  http://support.dlink.com/products/view.asp?productid=DWL%2D810%2B  @ But there are other more expensive (and probably better designed and faster [802.11g]) brands.    -Andy- -- n4 You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant -- Excepting Alice   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 20:34:05 +0000/ From: "briowl123" <brian.allsopp1@ntlworld.com> H Subject: Use your computer to build an income stream and retire quickly!. Message-ID: <kVt2c.30392$6Z.16424@newsfe1-win>   How big is the web? Your computer will allow you to build a business and establish a steady income stream.  Click the links below and find out more.  " http://www.retirequickly.com/85731  + http://www.quickretirementseminar.com/85731i  1 For more business opportunities on the web click:h+ http://www.cbmall.com/?storefront=briowl123l   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 20:34:05 +0000/ From: "briowl123" <brian.allsopp1@ntlworld.com>aH Subject: Use your computer to build an income stream and retire quickly!- Message-ID: <kVt2c.30391$6Z.7125@newsfe1-win>.   How big is the web? Your computer will allow you to build a business and establish a steady income stream.  Click the links below and find out more.  " http://www.retirequickly.com/85731  + http://www.quickretirementseminar.com/85731e  1 For more business opportunities on the web click:s+ http://www.cbmall.com/?storefront=briowl123n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 00:50:29 +0100n4 From: Per =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Schr=F6der?= <per@mimer.se>> Subject: Re: User-written system service, how to protect data?2 Message-ID: <c2o98u$amu$1@yggdrasil.glocalnet.com>   Ryan Moore wrote:w7 >         if (__PAL_PROBEW(ptr, sizeof(unsigned int *),s  1 I guess you copied this from SYS$EXAMPLES:UWSS.C.bG Well, the code in there is unfortunately wrong. The second argument to  E __PAL_PROBEx is *NOT* the size of the data you want to probe but the n  *OFFSET* to the last byte of it.   You should have written:9 >         if (__PAL_PROBEW(ptr, sizeof(unsigned int *)-1,n        ! $ HELP CC LANG BUILT __PAL_PROBEWt  K ... or check the PAL routine definitions in an Alpha architecture handbook.   L I was bitten by this bug once where the extra byte i erroneously probed was C on another page which I did not have access to. Which made my UWSS rI mysteriously and occasionally fail. It took a while to figure it out! ;-)z  K I also filed a bug report to Digital some years ago, but it was apparantly v lost.s  
 /Per Schrder. http://developer.mimer.com   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2004 03:59:28 -0800% From: Ronnie.Doggart@sx3.com (Ronnie)a Subject: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO= Message-ID: <395d3844.0403100359.40e3360f@posting.google.com>/   Hi All,p  F I am trying to revive my OpenVMS skills and would like to run the SIMHF emulator on my PC. I however need a VAX OpenVMS iso image. All the oldC cd's I have are for Alpha, and the systems are now running Tru64 Isi> there anyone out there who could let me download a VAX V7 iso.   Ronnie   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:48:39 +0100p3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com>-" Subject: Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO: Message-ID: <c2n334$1vgtlb$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>  $ On 2004-03-10 12:59, "Ronnie" wrote:  H > I am trying to revive my OpenVMS skills and would like to run the SIMHH > emulator on my PC. I however need a VAX OpenVMS iso image. All the oldE > cd's I have are for Alpha, and the systems are now running Tru64 Is @ > there anyone out there who could let me download a VAX V7 iso.  F An OpenVMS V7.3 CD is available from the hobbyist web site for US-$ 30 including shipping:t  <http://www.openvmshobbyist.com>   Michaell   -- i; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers.a@ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system.t5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2004 10:59:44 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)O" Subject: Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO3 Message-ID: <NA3zApnO+8p5@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  p In article <c2n334$1vgtlb$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>, Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> writes:& > On 2004-03-10 12:59, "Ronnie" wrote: > I >> I am trying to revive my OpenVMS skills and would like to run the SIMHmI >> emulator on my PC. I however need a VAX OpenVMS iso image. All the oldDF >> cd's I have are for Alpha, and the systems are now running Tru64 IsA >> there anyone out there who could let me download a VAX V7 iso.r > H > An OpenVMS V7.3 CD is available from the hobbyist web site for US-$ 30 > including shipping:8" > <http://www.openvmshobbyist.com>  , But those are in ODS-2 format, not ISO-9660.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:53:14 +0100 , From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>" Subject: Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO: Message-ID: <c2nv7i$1s1mc5$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>  4 "Ronnie" <Ronnie.Doggart@sx3.com> schreef in bericht7 news:395d3844.0403100359.40e3360f@posting.google.com...w	 > Hi All,e >yH > I am trying to revive my OpenVMS skills and would like to run the SIMHH > emulator on my PC. I however need a VAX OpenVMS iso image. All the oldE > cd's I have are for Alpha, and the systems are now running Tru64 Ist@ > there anyone out there who could let me download a VAX V7 iso. >  > Ronnie  I It is possible to make one yourself. Provided you have a distribution VMS B CD. The Charon folks have all kinds of tools on-line that do this.F I have a 7.3 distribution in ISO format and you can download the bzip2L compressed image. It won't be ready until Saturday though. Send me an email: hvlems at zonnet dot nl    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:15:11 +0100n- From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de>o" Subject: Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO9 Message-ID: <c2pvq0$1voeib$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:8 > Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> writes:  >> "Ronnie" wrote:E >>> I am trying to revive my OpenVMS skills and would like to run themG >>> SIMH emulator on my PC. I however need a VAX OpenVMS iso image. AlloF >>> the old cd's I have are for Alpha, and the systems are now runningF >>> Tru64 Is there anyone out there who could let me download a VAX V7	 >>> iso. r >> rF >> An OpenVMS V7.3 CD is available from the hobbyist web site for US-$ >> 30 including shipping:c# >> <http://www.openvmshobbyist.com>  > . > But those are in ODS-2 format, not ISO-9660.  A Would a VAX really boot from an ISO formatted CD-ROM? I doubt it.v@ What Ronnie really needs is (an ISO formatted CD-ROM containing)@ the image of the VMS OS CD in a container file. Of course, usingA the hobbyist CD and some CD burning program, he can make his own.    cu,M   Martin -- X@   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de-F    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:54:23 +0100e, From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>" Subject: Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO: Message-ID: <c2qg57$20fg94$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>  : "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de> schreef in bericht3 news:c2pvq0$1voeib$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de.... > Larry Kilgallen wrote:9 > > Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> writes:h > >> "Ronnie" wrote:G > >>> I am trying to revive my OpenVMS skills and would like to run the I > >>> SIMH emulator on my PC. I however need a VAX OpenVMS iso image. All H > >>> the old cd's I have are for Alpha, and the systems are now runningH > >>> Tru64 Is there anyone out there who could let me download a VAX V7
 > >>> iso. > >>H > >> An OpenVMS V7.3 CD is available from the hobbyist web site for US-$ > >> 30 including shipping:c% > >> <http://www.openvmshobbyist.com>d > >f0 > > But those are in ODS-2 format, not ISO-9660. > C > Would a VAX really boot from an ISO formatted CD-ROM? I doubt it.hB > What Ronnie really needs is (an ISO formatted CD-ROM containing)B > the image of the VMS OS CD in a container file. Of course, usingC > the hobbyist CD and some CD burning program, he can make his own.h >aC Martin, good point: he does indeed need a .DSK image of the VAX/VMSiL distribution cd. In fact he probably might want a stand alone backup disk asJ well; I'm not able to remember whether the standard cd-rom will boot a VAX
 or not....D Anyway: the bzip2 compressed version of the 7.3 kit is available for download. Email me for details.    hans at zonnet dot nl    ------------------------------   Date: 12 Mar 2004 14:21:56 GMT. From: jealousxmp@aol.commonplace (jealous xmp)" Subject: Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO: Message-ID: <20040312092156.15038.00001143@mb-m18.aol.com>  D >> Would a VAX really boot from an ISO formatted CD-ROM? I doubt it.C >> What Ronnie really needs is (an ISO formatted CD-ROM containing) C >> the image of the VMS OS CD in a container file. Of course, usingiD >> the hobbyist CD and some CD burning program, he can make his own. >>D >Martin, good point: he does indeed need a .DSK image of the VAX/VMSM >distribution cd. In fact he probably might want a stand alone backup disk as K >well; I'm not able to remember whether the standard cd-rom will boot a VAXJ >or not.... E >Anyway: the bzip2 compressed version of the 7.3 kit is available fora  >download. Email me for details. >k >hans at zonnet dot nl  M Obviously making an image with "mkisofs" is out since it can't be mounted.  I J wonder if "dd" could be used for making raw image.  And I haven't seen anyM support in linux kernel (or windows) for ODS, but perhaps there is some patchmM available.  AFAIK, linux (or windows) can still work with the image, just noti mount the filesystem.o  J At least this was the case with BFS image (BeFS / BeOS) when I was burning that.r   Michaelr   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Mar 2004 15:02:36 GMT. From: jealousxmp@aol.commonplace (jealous xmp)" Subject: Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO: Message-ID: <20040312100236.22733.00001203@mb-m10.aol.com>  B >AFAIK, linux (or windows) can still work with the image, just not >mount the filesystem.    Well I answered my own question.  9 http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?ODS2.   Michael    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 11:43:05 +0100l, From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>" Subject: Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO: Message-ID: <c2uojt$20m7br$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>  2 "Jonas Lindholm" <jlhm@usa.net> schreef in bericht0 news:CDx4c.43661$Wo2.19886@twister.nyc.rr.com... > jealous xmp wrote:E > > Obviously making an image with "mkisofs" is out since it can't beh mounted.  IaJ > > wonder if "dd" could be used for making raw image.  And I haven't seen anycK > > support in linux kernel (or windows) for ODS, but perhaps there is someM patchoH > > available.  AFAIK, linux (or windows) can still work with the image, just not > > mount the filesystem.  > 9 > My ODS2 file system for Linux can mount them read only.r* > You find it at http://ods2.homelinux.com >A > /Jonas   Jonas,  H how current is the driver? You refer to in your FAQ that ods2 for 2.4 is still under development.2 I'm running RedHat 7.2 so that should work, right?   Hans   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 06:12:50 GMTl# From: Jonas Lindholm <jlhm@usa.net>a" Subject: Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO6 Message-ID: <CDx4c.43661$Wo2.19886@twister.nyc.rr.com>   jealous xmp wrote:O > Obviously making an image with "mkisofs" is out since it can't be mounted.  IwL > wonder if "dd" could be used for making raw image.  And I haven't seen anyO > support in linux kernel (or windows) for ODS, but perhaps there is some patchmO > available.  AFAIK, linux (or windows) can still work with the image, just notc > mount the filesystem.@  7 My ODS2 file system for Linux can mount them read only. ( You find it at http://ods2.homelinux.com   /Jonas   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 16:31:55 GMT # From: Jonas Lindholm <jlhm@usa.net>k" Subject: Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO6 Message-ID: <%HG4c.43709$Wo2.19357@twister.nyc.rr.com>   Hans Vlems wrote:    > J > how current is the driver? You refer to in your FAQ that ods2 for 2.4 is > still under development.4 > I'm running RedHat 7.2 so that should work, right?  8 Correct, it work with 7.2 as long you have a 2.4 kernel.  G I'm still doing development to add write capability to it but having a  2 new born taking my time away from that project :-)   /Jonas   >  > Hans >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 19:07:42 +0100T, From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>" Subject: Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO: Message-ID: <c2vilf$21h90t$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>  2 "Jonas Lindholm" <jlhm@usa.net> schreef in bericht0 news:%HG4c.43709$Wo2.19357@twister.nyc.rr.com... > Hans Vlems wrote:s >r > > L > > how current is the driver? You refer to in your FAQ that ods2 for 2.4 is > > still under development.6 > > I'm running RedHat 7.2 so that should work, right? >(: > Correct, it work with 7.2 as long you have a 2.4 kernel. >sH > I'm still doing development to add write capability to it but having a4 > new born taking my time away from that project :-) >X > /Jonas >L%  That sounds perfectly reasonable....E   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Mar 2004 18:05:21 GMT. From: jealousxmp@aol.commonplace (jealous xmp)" Subject: Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO: Message-ID: <20040313130521.24877.00001414@mb-m26.aol.com>  K >> how current is the driver? You refer to in your FAQ that ods2 for 2.4 isF >> still under development.F5 >> I'm running RedHat 7.2 so that should work, right?0 >F9 >Correct, it work with 7.2 as long you have a 2.4 kernel.F >0  J Yeah it should be a 2.4 kernel unless you've upgraded to 2.6.  I ran 7.2 a1 while back.  I think Redhat 8 and 9 are also 2.4.F   Try "uname -a"   Michael-   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:02:34 GMT - From: hoffman@xdelta.hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) " Subject: Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO/ Message-ID: <KRo5c.898$vT.250@news.cpqcorp.net>e  i In article <c2pvq0$1voeib$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de> writes:  :Larry Kilgallen wrote: 9 :> Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> writes: a :>> "Ronnie" wrote:SF :>>> I am trying to revive my OpenVMS skills and would like to run theD :>>> SIMH emulator on my PC. I however need a VAX OpenVMS iso image.D :>>> ...Is there anyone out there who could let me download a VAX V7
 :>>> iso.   <   The materials in question are copyrighted and/or licensed.  G :>> An OpenVMS V7.3 CD is available from the hobbyist web site for US-$  :>> 30 including shipping:$ :>> <http://www.openvmshobbyist.com> :> e/ :> But those are in ODS-2 format, not ISO-9660.  : B :Would a VAX really boot from an ISO formatted CD-ROM? I doubt it.  B   Disks can be dual-format (ISO-9660 and ODS-2/ODS-5), and OpenVMSE   VAX can boot from these -- the two file structures do not conflict.o  A :What Ronnie really needs is (an ISO formatted CD-ROM containing)0A :the image of the VMS OS CD in a container file. Of course, using B :the hobbyist CD and some CD burning program, he can make his own.  D   If "ISO" is used as is common in the recent computing vernacular, A   a disk image, then yes.  Various folks started generalizing thea@   .ISO extension and it has become largely -- and confusingly to7   some of us -- a synonym for a block-copy of an input.   C   Please get the distribution CD from the hobbyist site, and check :A   with the folks at the emulator websites (see the FAQ, etc) for RA   information on converting this into a format that the emulator A   can find and bootstrap.       N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqoN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com0   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:07:23 +0400E& From: Valentin Likoum <me@privacy.net>$ Subject: What happened with InfoVAX?: Message-ID: <c2rgib$1vvjmg$1@ID-184585.news.uni-berlin.de>  #    It's silent for two days for me.    -- b
 Best regards,r
   Valentin)   valentin.likoum at ncc dot volga dot rup   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 21:50:26 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)& Subject: Re: Where are the terminals ?$ Message-ID: <c2le71$2tg$1@online.de>  = In article <f30679fb.0403091122.2e467a87@posting.google.com>,s1 fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) writes: h  ; > With all these blades advancements is not time to rethink,= > the Terminals (VTs / 327X) etc... I am imaginig a hardwarehB > like a Terminal Controller  running Terminal-Desktop-Citrix-likeC > software. May be based in Linux GUI interfaces. What do u think ?e  G Every few months, I am reminded of the passage of time by a new "let's eE rethink terminals on VMS" post from Fabio.  I don't think ANYone has t* understood what you are trying to achieve.  I There are several options using new stuff (my option is to use old stuff C& which works fine for the job at hand):  I Option 1: Use a terminal.  OK, they were sold off, but you can still buy   them from Boundless.  B Option 2: Use an X-terminal.  I'm sure several manufacturers offer8 X-terminals with LK-style keyboards (I used to use one).  H Use something like a DS10L with a graphics card (I'm not sure if such a E beast exists, though I'm sure it could) and a modern TFT flat screen.e  I Let's face it, though: GUI is more often than not bells-and-whistles and eH a well-written forms-based application can be faster for data entry and 3 require fewer resources than a graphical front end.s   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2004 03:18:37 -0800. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)& Subject: Re: Where are the terminals ?< Message-ID: <f30679fb.0403100318.469a635@posting.google.com>  d "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> wrote in message news:<25u3c.3933$4B1.2860@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>...L > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>1 > wrote in message news:c2le71$2tg$1@online.de...pA > > In article <f30679fb.0403091122.2e467a87@posting.google.com>,o4 > > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) writes: > > ? > > > With all these blades advancements is not time to rethinkrA > > > the Terminals (VTs / 327X) etc... I am imaginig a hardwarenF > > > like a Terminal Controller  running Terminal-Desktop-Citrix-likeG > > > software. May be based in Linux GUI interfaces. What do u think ?- > >-J > > Every few months, I am reminded of the passage of time by a new "let'sH > > rethink terminals on VMS" post from Fabio.  I don't think ANYone has. > > understood what you are trying to achieve. > > L > > There are several options using new stuff (my option is to use old stuff* > > which works fine for the job at hand): > >TL > > Option 1: Use a terminal.  OK, they were sold off, but you can still buy > > them from Boundless. > > F > > Option 2: Use an X-terminal.  I'm sure several manufacturers offer< > > X-terminals with LK-style keyboards (I used to use one). > >eK > > Use something like a DS10L with a graphics card (I'm not sure if such a-I > > beast exists, though I'm sure it could) and a modern TFT flat screen.  > > L > > Let's face it, though: GUI is more often than not bells-and-whistles andK > > a well-written forms-based application can be faster for data entry and^7 > > require fewer resources than a graphical front end.0 > >L > C > Like Phil, I also do not understand exactly what Fabio is asking.F > M > My initial responce would be that they are gone!  I still have a VT510 on a7K > cart if I am really desperate, but for normal day to day access, this hasEM > been replaced by wireless laptops and a Reflections/Hyper-terminal/JAVA-GUIFM > window.  We use an Application by TDI systems called  ConsoleWorks (It runsFK > on VMS!) that allows me to remotely access all of my serial console portsFK > (Over 300 consoles right now!).  I have a private console network that isgN > composed of Decserver 700's that are monitored/accessed by a DS10.  I open aK > browser window to the ConsoleWorks webpage.  After loggin in,  I can thentM > open up a window for each console that I need to talk too.  When I open therN > link, a client agent on my laptop opens my terminal software and establishes > a link to the system.  > N > Also look into ConsoleManager.  ConsoleManager is partnered by HP/Compaq andJ > does not give me as much capabilities as my existing ConsoleWorks system > does.t > I > If I do not need onto the console, I run a strait telnet session for IPcG > traffic to that system.  Once again, the VT is gone.  Replaced by the  > Desktop/Laptop.  >  > 6 > If this is not what you intended to ask Fabio, then? > J > - Are talking about using a KVM switch to swap between Several differentG > graphical consoles?  This also has been in existence for a few years.5 > L > - Are you talking about the ability of a VT connected to a terminal serverJ > that allowed you to have 8 different LAT sessions opened per port.  ThatJ > gave you 16 sessions on a VT420 that a CTRL-B/N would toggle between the4 > sessions.  (Not running LAT anymore.  Snif..Snif!) > : > Please define exactly what you are trying to solve here. > L > Our Front end/Citrix folks where unable to come up with a remote "Console"K > to allow them to do the base install/configuration of the Citrix servers.fJ > So they still push around a cart with a built in KVM switch to do the OS > slam.f    L I define a terminal as a dumb (?) hardware/software which process a specificG GUI. I am not saying to relaunch the VT (ascii) terminals, but somekindeL of Server based software to offer a GUI (Desktop, KDE) to be displayed in a G hardware/software - when I say software can be a thin client software, o emulator, etc.... !    RegardsF   FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:13:26 -0600o@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>& Subject: Re: Where are the terminals ?6 Message-ID: <404FE766.C714D86D@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Fabio Cardoso wrote: > [slam]N > I define a terminal as a dumb (?) hardware/software which process a specificI > GUI. I am not saying to relaunch the VT (ascii) terminals, but somekindbM > of Server based software to offer a GUI (Desktop, KDE) to be displayed in a H > hardware/software - when I say software can be a thin client software, > emulator, etc.... !n  G Sounds like you're looking for some kind of a device with an embedded Xi window operating system ... ?f   -- o David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemsl http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/g   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 18:27:33 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>l& Subject: Re: Where are the terminals ?L Message-ID: <pc24c.224200$ah.108524@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  K "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message 0 news:404FE766.C714D86D@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net... > Fabio Cardoso wrote:
 > > [slam]G > > I define a terminal as a dumb (?) hardware/software which process a  specificK > > GUI. I am not saying to relaunch the VT (ascii) terminals, but somekindaJ > > of Server based software to offer a GUI (Desktop, KDE) to be displayed in aJ > > hardware/software - when I say software can be a thin client software, > > emulator, etc.... !b >4I > Sounds like you're looking for some kind of a device with an embedded Xr > window operating system ... ?     : That would be nice ....Oh, and APL character fonts too :-)   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2004 13:14:53 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler).& Subject: Re: Where are the terminals ?3 Message-ID: <6vaAYeuowgBj@eisner.encompasserve.org>d  r In article <pc24c.224200$ah.108524@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > M > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in messagee >>J >> Sounds like you're looking for some kind of a device with an embedded X  >> window operating system ... ? >   *    Like the X terminal I'm typing this on?   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2004 03:13:07 -0800. From: shakeelj2k@yahoo.com (shakeel-ur-rehman)) Subject: why a newone to OpenVMS Learn ite= Message-ID: <cb950e29.0403110313.25450eba@posting.google.com>o  F I have 04 years experience on  Microsoft Windows OS its Programming inF C/VC++ etc .My question is if some one has an opportunity to learn the> system administration and programming for DCL or C for OpenVMSF operating System .then what will be the worth of person to ponder intoE the whole new world of OS like OpenVMS( DEC Alpha Machine).Why should ; i learn  a new OS like OpenVMS .what will be pros and Cons.i   thanks Shakeelt   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2004 07:25:27 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o- Subject: Re: why a newone to OpenVMS Learn it 3 Message-ID: <lZyPtcSZsUFo@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <cb950e29.0403110313.25450eba@posting.google.com>, shakeelj2k@yahoo.com (shakeel-ur-rehman) writes:H > I have 04 years experience on  Microsoft Windows OS its Programming inH > C/VC++ etc .My question is if some one has an opportunity to learn the@ > system administration and programming for DCL or C for OpenVMSH > operating System .then what will be the worth of person to ponder intoG > the whole new world of OS like OpenVMS( DEC Alpha Machine).Why shouldh= > i learn  a new OS like OpenVMS .what will be pros and Cons.s  D    Learning is a good thing.  Finding new ways to do things, and new@    realitites of security and reliability will open your mind toE    possibilities you may have never considered, and understanding yous    don't yet have.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 09:58:43 -0600"@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>- Subject: Re: why a newone to OpenVMS Learn itu6 Message-ID: <40508CB3.4681B97B@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   shakeel-ur-rehman wrote: > H > I have 04 years experience on  Microsoft Windows OS its Programming inH > C/VC++ etc .My question is if some one has an opportunity to learn the@ > system administration and programming for DCL or C for OpenVMSH > operating System .then what will be the worth of person to ponder intoG > the whole new world of OS like OpenVMS( DEC Alpha Machine).Why shouldT= > i learn  a new OS like OpenVMS .what will be pros and Cons.n  C VMS is common in large sites like healthcare and high finance where E system failures ("blue screens") and security issues (viruses, worms,tB trojans, etc.) are not an option. Such positions are usually quite competitive, pay-wise.  E The down-sides include VMS's obscurity, scarcity of job openings, and F the overall opinion in the market-at-large that VMS is dead - which hp refuses to do anything about.w   -- e David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsi http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/'   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:06:14 GMTs# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>s- Subject: Will HP include VMS in their plans?? D Message-ID: <aol5c.778$TxJ.468@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1208&e=7&u=/nf/20040312/bs_ nf/23343&sid=95573658a    L So HP is buying up software companies. Will HP require the products produced7 by these companies to include VMS as a target platform?7  ; This alone will speak volumes about HP's commitment to VMS.l   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 22:43:37 GMTt* From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>$ Subject: Re: Xerox 6250 and DCPS 2.35 Message-ID: <090320041738293813%paul.anderson@hp.com>   G In article <FHEBJJFBMGNGDAAMBKPAMEKOCEAA.R.Voorhorst@Swabhawat.com>, R.c, Voorhorst <R.Voorhorst@Swabhawat.com> wrote:  F > 1. Xerox phaser 6250DX colour laserjet with IP and enabled port 9100< > 2. OpenVMS 7.3-2, TCP/IP 5.4 and DCPS 2.3 on a Alpha DS-10 :aF > DCPS however starts with printing, the printer is receiving data andC > remains busy (locked), but nothing happens.  Eventually the queuenE > times out.  A stop with reset of the queue releases the printer andgF > some garbage with strange symbols is produced on a piece/some piecesE > of paper.  The printer is multi protocol enabled.  We did enable ^D 2 > on the printer later but without any difference.  > Try putting the printer in PostScript (vs. auto sensing) mode.  A > After using the NO-SYNC logical for the queueu the printer willlG > sometimes print, however the job will hang in status printing. MostlyyB > the printer starts printing after a reset of the queue.  The job > entry has to be deleted.  D The NO_SYNC logical name only affects the very beginning of the DCPS( job, and bypasses the status query (^D).  F If you can't get a Raw TCP connection to work, you could set up a DCPSB LPD queue.  Read the DCPS V2.3 Release Notes for more information.  E This printer is unsupported by DCPS but may work as an "unrecognized" G printer.  As such, you won't be able to select trays by name or use the  printer's PCL interpreter.   Paul   -- e  Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineeringg   Hewlett-Packard Companyf   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:40:51 +0100o2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: Zip/update Issuel; Message-ID: <404f3703.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>u  ' Don Sykes (paladin@mydomain.com) wrote:tG > Never meant this to be so drawn out. I gave up on this method over a  K > year ago, but sought to redress it now as I'm releasing a new version of wA > my Java licensing product. I guess I'll have to resort to more  J > complicated methods, like trying to start a process from VMS to tell NT B > to build a new SEzip on demand, then copy it back to VMS...yuck!  C Do you positively have to build the SEzip on Windows? Otherwise you_? could just create a ZIP file under Windows, transfer it to VMS, 4 there update the License file, and make it an SEzip.   cu,    Martin - A So long, and thanks        | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules! 4 for all the books...       | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deG In Memoriam Douglas Adams  |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/y;             1952-2001      | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 23:27:31 GMTe& From: Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com> Subject: Re: Zip/update Issuet; Message-ID: <DvN3c.8611$Jt3.657@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>    Martin Vorlaender wrote:) > Don Sykes (paladin@mydomain.com) wrote:o > G >>Never meant this to be so drawn out. I gave up on this method over a uK >>year ago, but sought to redress it now as I'm releasing a new version of uA >>my Java licensing product. I guess I'll have to resort to more yJ >>complicated methods, like trying to start a process from VMS to tell NT B >>to build a new SEzip on demand, then copy it back to VMS...yuck! >  > E > Do you positively have to build the SEzip on Windows? Otherwise yourA > could just create a ZIP file under Windows, transfer it to VMS,m6 > there update the License file, and make it an SEzip. > F The point of making the SEzip is so it runs on Windows, not VMS. If I E could use Info-zip to create a Windows compatible exe file from VMS, rF that would work, but I don't see to do that. I've tried stripping off H the exe portion (zip prefix) and then sticking that back on the updated B zip file, but that fails too. The resulting SEzip must be able to = execute on Windows without having an unzip already installed.W   --     Have VMS, Will Traveli Wire paladin, San Franciscoo   (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:57:33 -0600r@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> Subject: Re: Zip/update Issue26 Message-ID: <404FE3AD.2F7A570B@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Don Sykes wrote: >  > Martin Vorlaender wrote:+ > > Don Sykes (paladin@mydomain.com) wrote:v > >sH > >>Never meant this to be so drawn out. I gave up on this method over aL > >>year ago, but sought to redress it now as I'm releasing a new version ofB > >>my Java licensing product. I guess I'll have to resort to moreK > >>complicated methods, like trying to start a process from VMS to tell NTbD > >>to build a new SEzip on demand, then copy it back to VMS...yuck! > >l > >iG > > Do you positively have to build the SEzip on Windows? Otherwise youeC > > could just create a ZIP file under Windows, transfer it to VMS, 8 > > there update the License file, and make it an SEzip. > > G > The point of making the SEzip is so it runs on Windows, not VMS. If IwF > could use Info-zip to create a Windows compatible exe file from VMS,G > that would work, but I don't see to do that. I've tried stripping off-I > the exe portion (zip prefix) and then sticking that back on the updatediC > zip file, but that fails too. The resulting SEzip must be able to ? > execute on Windows without having an unzip already installed.3   Have you tried:w   o FTP the files to VMS   o Write the license file   o Pack files into a .ZIP   o FTP the .ZIP back to NTa   o Make .ZIP into an SE?n  D PKware may still have a command-line version of their stuff to allow
 scripting.   -- . David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:39:00 +0100h- From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de>t Subject: Re: Zip/update Issuee9 Message-ID: <c2pml5$20cbo1$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>>   Don Sykes wrote: > Martin Vorlaender wrote:F >> Do you positively have to build the SEzip on Windows? Otherwise youB >> could just create a ZIP file under Windows, transfer it to VMS,7 >> there update the License file, and make it an SEzip.h >> aB > The point of making the SEzip is so it runs on Windows, not VMS.  A Of course. Where did I suggest to make it a VMS SEzip? If you usee@ Info-ZIP's SFX stub, you can just $COPY it together with the ZIP* file, and produce an executable NT image.   A > If I could use Info-zip to create a Windows compatible exe file 8 > from VMS, that would work, but I don't see to do that.  ? See my post dated 01-Mar. (UNZIPSFX.EXE is Info-ZIP's SFX stub)o   > I've tried stripping offA > the exe portion (zip prefix) and then sticking that back on thesC > updated zip file, but that fails too. The resulting SEzip must bepG > able to execute on Windows without having an unzip already installed.2  0 That's the whole point of SEzip files, isn't it?     cu,u   Martin -- V@   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deeF    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 19:49:00 GMTe& From: Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com> Subject: Re: Zip/update Issue-< Message-ID: <Mo34c.9077$RL5.3597@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>   Martin Vorlaender wrote: > Don Sykes wrote: >  >>Martin Vorlaender wrote: >>F >>>Do you positively have to build the SEzip on Windows? Otherwise youB >>>could just create a ZIP file under Windows, transfer it to VMS,7 >>>there update the License file, and make it an SEzip.. >>>w >>B >>The point of making the SEzip is so it runs on Windows, not VMS. >  > C > Of course. Where did I suggest to make it a VMS SEzip? If you usecB > Info-ZIP's SFX stub, you can just $COPY it together with the ZIP, > file, and produce an executable NT image.  >  > A >>If I could use Info-zip to create a Windows compatible exe filel8 >>from VMS, that would work, but I don't see to do that. >  > A > See my post dated 01-Mar. (UNZIPSFX.EXE is Info-ZIP's SFX stub)   H Where do you get such a beast? I don't seem to have one on my NT or VMS  systems.. I've been to info-zip.org and while this page H (http://www.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/) says it includes the UnZipSFX, I > can't seem to find it in any of their unzip downloads ( under % ftp://ftp.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/ )r Where did you get yours ?3   >  >  >>I've tried stripping offA >>the exe portion (zip prefix) and then sticking that back on the0C >>updated zip file, but that fails too. The resulting SEzip must beMG >>able to execute on Windows without having an unzip already installed.  >  > 2 > That's the whole point of SEzip files, isn't it? >  >  > cu,n
 >   Martin     --     Have VMS, Will Travele Wire paladin, San Franciscoe   (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:27:09 +0100 - From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de>m Subject: Re: Zip/update Issue 9 Message-ID: <c2rs8v$1vdpnr$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>-   Don Sykes wrote: > Martin Vorlaender wrote: >> Don Sykes wrote:v >> d >>> Martin Vorlaender wrote: >>> H >>>> Do you positively have to build the SEzip on Windows? Otherwise youD >>>> could just create a ZIP file under Windows, transfer it to VMS,9 >>>> there update the License file, and make it an SEzip.  >>>>   >>> D >>> The point of making the SEzip is so it runs on Windows, not VMS. >> o >> PD >> Of course. Where did I suggest to make it a VMS SEzip? If you useC >> Info-ZIP's SFX stub, you can just $COPY it together with the ZIPo, >> file, and produce an executable NT image. >> . >>  C >>> If I could use Info-zip to create a Windows compatible exe filed: >>> from VMS, that would work, but I don't see to do that. >> - >> tB >> See my post dated 01-Mar. (UNZIPSFX.EXE is Info-ZIP's SFX stub) > E > Where do you get such a beast? I don't seem to have one on my NT or. > VMS systems./ > I've been to info-zip.org and while this page-G > (http://www.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/) says it includes the UnZipSFX,lA > I can't seem to find it in any of their unzip downloads ( undere' > ftp://ftp.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/ )u > Where did you get yours ?l  6 See my post dated 02-Mar. I'll quote it again for you:   <Quote> # The official site to get it from iso( http://www.info-zip.org/UnZip.html#Win32, Choose a download site and get unz550xN.exe. </Quote>  $ Or, to make it even easier, download5 ftp://ftp.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/WIN32/unz550xN.exen  @ I verified that this file contains UNZIPSFX.EXE before I posted.     cu,    Martin -- r@   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deeF    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:21:16 GMT)& From: Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com> Subject: Re: Zip/update Issue < Message-ID: <wJq4c.9425$%d1.2664@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>   Martin Vorlaender wrote: > Don Sykes wrote: >  >>Martin Vorlaender wrote: >> >>>Don Sykes wrote:i >>>s >>>  >>>>Martin Vorlaender wrote: >>>> >>>>H >>>>>Do you positively have to build the SEzip on Windows? Otherwise youD >>>>>could just create a ZIP file under Windows, transfer it to VMS,9 >>>>>there update the License file, and make it an SEzip.n >>>>>" >>>>D >>>>The point of making the SEzip is so it runs on Windows, not VMS. >>>5 >>>gD >>>Of course. Where did I suggest to make it a VMS SEzip? If you useC >>>Info-ZIP's SFX stub, you can just $COPY it together with the ZIPr, >>>file, and produce an executable NT image. >>>n >>>s >>>oC >>>>If I could use Info-zip to create a Windows compatible exe filey: >>>>from VMS, that would work, but I don't see to do that. >>>  >>>eB >>>See my post dated 01-Mar. (UNZIPSFX.EXE is Info-ZIP's SFX stub) >>E >>Where do you get such a beast? I don't seem to have one on my NT or  >>VMS systems./ >>I've been to info-zip.org and while this page7G >>(http://www.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/) says it includes the UnZipSFX,tA >>I can't seem to find it in any of their unzip downloads ( undero' >>ftp://ftp.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/ )  >>Where did you get yours ?9 >  > 8 > See my post dated 02-Mar. I'll quote it again for you: > 	 > <Quote> % > The official site to get it from ism* > http://www.info-zip.org/UnZip.html#Win32. > Choose a download site and get unz550xN.exe.
 > </Quote> > & > Or, to make it even easier, download7 > ftp://ftp.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/WIN32/unz550xN.exee > B > I verified that this file contains UNZIPSFX.EXE before I posted. >  >  > cu, 
 >   Martin  G Thank you Martin. Sorry, I was looking fir a .zip file to download and oD your previous post (2-Mar) was expired (I know I could have gone to  Google, but I didn't)./ Anyway, I'm happy to say that you were correct!dH Appending the UNZIPSFX.EXE onto my "updated" zip file worked. I can now 5 download the resulting product and run it as a SEzip.c  G My only wish now is that Info-zip's UNZIPSFX would allow me to specify -A the name of a command procedure to run automatically after unzip -% completes, like I can do with WinZip. G (thinking aloud: but maybe I can get the source and add that myself... S yea, that's the ticket!)   -- e   Have VMS, Will Travel  Wire paladin, San Franciscom   (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:37:18 +0100r" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>- Subject: Re: [OT]: Does Charon do DECwindows?m2 Message-ID: <404f0c37$0$288$636a15ce@news.free.fr>   Correct.   D.   JF Mezei wrote::   > Didier Morandi wrote:o > < >>$ set display/create/transport=tcpip/node=IP_address_of_PC >>$ mc decw$startlogin >  > N > you should add /EXEC to the set display command. With this, the "startlogin"M > will be persistent even if you log out from the process that issued the setu > display command. > O > Once the PC reboots and starts the X terminal software, the login will appearr& > within about a minute automatically. > N > If you log out from the process that issued the SET DISPLAY (without /EXEC),O > then if the PC crashes, or exits from the X terminal software, the WSA device-O > will vanish and there won't be an automatic restart of the login process when)% > the X terminal software comes back.e   -- D2 VAXUS - Your new helpful friend in the DEC Family!2 EHQ: 19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France/       Phone: +336 7983 6418 Fax: +335 6154 1928a$                 http://www.vaxus.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:38:11 -0500-< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>- Subject: Re: [OT]: Does Charon do DECwindows?u: Message-ID: <c2ncp6$1j0q10$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>   Stanley F. Quayle wrote: >...8 > Not to contradict a valued customer like Barry, but if you're on aW> > fast, dual-processor, Winbox, that's certainly possible.  In fact,i: > it's the migration approach I take for customers running
 VAXstation< > hardware.  The emulated VAX will run in one processor, and the Xn4 > server and emulated I/O will run in the other one. >...  9 I did this on a single CPU laptop with a cross-over cablex= between the built-in Ethernet and a PCMCIA card about 3 weeksn; ago just to show someone that CHARON-VAX can do DECWindows.o< Since the single CPU had to handle both VMS and the X Server  it was very slow, but it worked.   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.s Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXe www.weaverconsulting.caH   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 01:40:06 GMT-0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>/ Subject: Re: [TCPIP V5.3 ECO4] For VMS V7.3-2 ?O= Message-ID: <Wlu3c.96028$Wa.35579@news-server.bigpond.net.au>c  , > But VAXVMS still needs to be explained ;-)  L Oh I missed that one.  You have a good eye.  I've passed that along to those who can address it.m   -- a= -------------------------------------------------------------  OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Companyr Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAk= -------------------------------------------------------------     C "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in messaged* news:newscache$t0ubuh$63d$1@news.sil.at...D > In article <lOp3c.95737$Wa.6220@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Matt, Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com> writes:F > >I double checked this with management and V5.3 ECO4 is supported onH > >VMS7.3-2.  It seems this topic was debated internally, which probably9 > >explains why you heard a whisper of a different story.  >  > Thanks for the clarifcation !  >k > >> 1  KIT NAME:, > >>* > >>      DEC-VAXVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0503-184-4 > >>- > >> Maybe only the ITRC needs to be fixed...  >i, > But VAXVMS still needs to be explained ;-) >o > -- p > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist- > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 01:41:21 GMTe0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>/ Subject: Re: [TCPIP V5.3 ECO4] For VMS V7.3-2 ?n= Message-ID: <5nu3c.96030$Wa.79742@news-server.bigpond.net.au>s  > > This does not make sense as the fail safe IP is 5.4 not 5.3.  E Did I miss something else?  Where was failSAFE IP mentioned?  You areiH correct that failSAFE IP requires TCP/IP V5.4, I'm just not sure why you
 mentioned it.n   Matt.m   -- a= -------------------------------------------------------------m OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Company. Gold Coast, AUSTRALIA-= -------------------------------------------------------------x    9 "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca> wrote in messageM( news:Lmq3c.178379$Hy3.170979@edtnps89...> > This does not make sense as the fail safe IP is 5.4 not 5.3. >o; > Would you not being applying a patch of older technology.t > E > "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in messaget, > news:newscache$t0ubuh$63d$1@news.sil.at...F > > In article <lOp3c.95737$Wa.6220@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Matt. > Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com> writes:H > > >I double checked this with management and V5.3 ECO4 is supported onJ > > >VMS7.3-2.  It seems this topic was debated internally, which probably; > > >explains why you heard a whisper of a different story.- > >K! > > Thanks for the clarifcation !  > >a > > >> 1  KIT NAME:$ > > >>, > > >>      DEC-VAXVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0503-184-4 > > >>/ > > >> Maybe only the ITRC needs to be fixed...M > >l. > > But VAXVMS still needs to be explained ;-) > >  > > -- w > > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERi) > > Network and OpenVMS system specialistt  > > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atJ > > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist >o >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 02:14:29 GMTo0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>B Subject: Re: [TCPIP V5.4] Local Host in TCPIP SHOW DEVICE_SOCKET ?= Message-ID: <9294c.98988$Wa.33641@news-server.bigpond.net.au>t  D No short term plans exist for this.  You can see the two ends of the8 connection using 'netstat' or "tcpip show dev xyz/full".   Matt.o   -- S= -------------------------------------------------------------  OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard CompanyI Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAt= -------------------------------------------------------------o    C "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in messagei* news:newscache$nhseuh$vil$1@news.sil.at...I > Do you know of any plans to include the Local-IA (means the Local Host)sB > in the brief (!) TCPIP SHOW DEVICE display (as another column) ?B > Means seeing if a connection is to the node or the cluster/alias
 address... > K > Would that be an enhancement some more people than me would like to see ?h >e
 > Many TIA >m > -- w > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERr' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 21:47:28 +0000 (UTC)F6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)B Subject: Re: [TCPIP V5.4] Local Host in TCPIP SHOW DEVICE_SOCKET ?0 Message-ID: <newscache$clghuh$32r$1@news.sil.at>  p In article <9294c.98988$Wa.33641@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com> writes:E >No short term plans exist for this.  You can see the two ends of thev9 >connection using 'netstat' or "tcpip show dev xyz/full".t  L NETSTAT misses the socket (while the brief display misses the local IA). TheM full display is not easy parseable for scripts and not handy for an overview.5   Sigh   -- ) Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERL% Network and OpenVMS system specialistO E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:56:49 +0000 (UTC)r6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER): Subject: [TCPIP V5.4] What for is SYS$SYSTEM:RESOLV.CONF ?0 Message-ID: <newscache$3pufuh$onn$1@news.sil.at>  H I just found a file SYS$SYSTEM:RESOLV.CONF (which inside states its nameL a little bit different as SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$RESOLV_CONF.DAT) and am thinkingH of a U**X system. Shudder. I found it also on my VAX with TCPIP V5.3....  O Is this file actively used already (or is TCPIP SET CONFIG NAME the only way) ?c When was it introduced ?$ Will the name discrepancy be fixed ? Is it documented ?   TIA    -- i Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialiste E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.148 ************************something like a DS10L with a graphics card (I'm not sure if such a E beast exists, though I'm sure it could) and a modern TFT flat screen.e  I Let's face it, though: GUI is more often than not bells-and-whistles and eH a well-written forms-based application can be faster for data entry and 3 require fewer resources than a graphical front end.s   ------------------------mM!HeO{kLLAiŁ٤c,ْZ\(itxLZ|eJ;؍̅L,q\[W2ڌ?,B8_6JUP*bb?byRՎJIP	A&Yyj|:I!:n:&#׎P6=L[g! rX
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