1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 16 Mar 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 149       Contents: RE: Anyone out there? A Re: C vs. Macro-32 (Was: Re: User-written system service, how to) * Re: Converting PCL5e dev ctl libs to PCL5c* Re: Converting PCL5e dev ctl libs to PCL5c* Re: Converting PCL5e dev ctl libs to PCL5c# Re: Document warehouse for/on VMS?? # Re: Document warehouse for/on VMS?? # Re: Document warehouse for/on VMS?? # Re: Document warehouse for/on VMS?? # Re: Document warehouse for/on VMS??  Re: DVD writer on ES40 EUNICE availability  for sale DS10 + 2xBA356  Re: FutureVAX vs CHARON-VAX  Re: FutureVAX vs CHARON-VAX 9 FutureVAX vs CHARON-VAX (was: Nous opterons pour Opteron)  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes  Re: How to get username  Re: How to get username  Re: How to get username  Re: How to get username  Re: How to get username " Re: HP's emails blocked by spamcop HP's emails blocked by spamcop" Re: HP's emails blocked by spamcop" Re: HP's emails blocked by spamcop" Re: HP's emails blocked by spamcop> Just Posted on SKHPC Web Site: A Trio of Talks from Down Under# Re: Keyboard and the NewVMS desktop # Re: Keyboard and the NewVMS desktop # Re: Keyboard and the NewVMS desktop # Re: Keyboard and the NewVMS desktop  Re: Movies cut on VMS  Re: Movies cut on VMS  ncurses support for ovms ???? ! Re: ncurses support for ovms ????  Re: Nous opterons pour Opteron Oracle exp on VMS & RE: SAMBA & Advanced Server - coexist? RE: SMTP filters& Re: SSH, X11 forwarding and TCPIP V5.4& Re: SSH, X11 forwarding and TCPIP V5.4& Re: SSH, X11 forwarding and TCPIP V5.4& Re: SSH, X11 forwarding and TCPIP V5.4 Re: Support of USB Memory stick  sysman io disconnect?  Re: sysman io disconnect?  Re: sysman io disconnect?  Re: sysman io disconnect? ' Re: TN3270 - Why it still synchronous ? ' Re: TN3270 - Why it still synchronous ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  RE: Toys R Us and VMS ? + Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help. + Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help. + Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help. + Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help.  Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO  Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO  Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:03:38 -0500 * From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillmabg@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: Anyone out there?' Message-ID: <012DF641.C22236@yahoo.com>    John Brandon wrote:   E > Testing this bloody thing.  Not getting e-mail from IV for a couple  > of days... too quite...   J Same here, then all of a sudden overnight, three days of messages arrived. --  
 Brian Tillman    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:50:29 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> J Subject: Re: C vs. Macro-32 (Was: Re: User-written system service, how to)' Message-ID: <40564145.6010007@MMaz.com>    Paul Repacholi wrote:   2 >brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes: >  >    > B >>Well, OK.  You might find it interesting to note that that amongA >>many long-time VMS engineers here at Spit Brook Road, rewriting D >>Macro-32 to C is actually considered a good thing.  Note that thisD >>is not due to some infiltration by a younger, Unix-oriented crowd.C >>This is the view of some of the most senior VMS engineers, who've E >>been here for as long as VMS has existed, or have played a critical ) >>role in several patentable innovations.  >>     >> > C >So what is the VMS group going to do when the Itanic sinks totally = >and Intel pulls the plug on the DEC C and Fortran compilers?  >    > @ Open Source and Linux.  Though I'm very content with my present G configuration, I can't see sending projects to HP if by choose to bury   VMS...   Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2004 07:54:56 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 3 Subject: Re: Converting PCL5e dev ctl libs to PCL5c 3 Message-ID: <OHpT4fYBNBVW@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Y In article <327155b6.0403151014.7d796b9@posting.google.com>, tim267@msn.com (Tim) writes:  > 1 > There are a few characters I do not understand.  >  > 5.45c = ?????  > + > If someone could explain the "." as well. 7 > Any information on this matter is greatly appreciated   C    When I was setting up my device control modules I had no trouble     finding the PCL spec at HP.  G    Download it and read it electronicaly though, don't print it unless  "    you have a high volume printer.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2004 05:26:07 -0800 From: tim267@msn.com (Tim)3 Subject: Re: Converting PCL5e dev ctl libs to PCL5c = Message-ID: <327155b6.0403160526.78840e92@posting.google.com>   C I appreciate the pointer to documentation. <ESC> tables I have. The  question remains:     <esc>&l1o5.45C<esc>&k2S<esc>(8U    I understand that:   &l1o = landscape &k2S = compress  (8U = pitch   / There are a few characters I do not understand.   
 5.45c = ?????     D They are also not documented in <esc>tables I have. I have PDF files6 for CANON and several HP tables found on the internet.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:23:08 -0500 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>3 Subject: Re: Converting PCL5e dev ctl libs to PCL5c : Message-ID: <c3764u$25b08a$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>  
 Tim wrote: >...= > The following module is for PCL5e Lanscape/compress/pitch8. 	 I need to < > understand the module fully before I can convert to PCL5c. >...  3 Check out http://www.pcltools.com. They have a tool : (PCLCodes.EXE IIRC) that will translate PCL into text. The= tool used to be free and downloadable by itself, but the last > time I looked (8 to 12 months ago) the tool was still free but; you had to download the whole SDK to get it. The tool has a = time check in it so it expires after some period of time so I / can not run it now to give you a simple answer.    --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:19:48 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"), Subject: Re: Document warehouse for/on VMS??6 Message-ID: <00A2EE29.6B37EDCE@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  k In article <ROl5c.1303$TxJ.265@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: . >Thinking about a possible upcoming project... > L >-approximately 100 million documents (.pdf  / .pps / .doc / .tif / xml /andJ >some other formats) need to be stored, indexed, and available for display >via a web browser/plug-in > I >- each document is variable size, anywhere from 1 to 100's of pages long  > J >- users have to be able to access specific pages of the documents if they >are multi-page ones >  > 2 >Two basic approaches in a roll-your-own solution: > I >a) Store the file name, location, description in a rdbms or OR store and J >have the ability in a program to go to the required location and open theK >file.  The challenge here is that if the file moves or is deleted/renamed,  >my DB is out of whack.  >  > D >b) Store the 'objects' as blobs in a rdbms along with various otherL >attributes and indicies to specific sections of interest. The the app wouldH >have to copy the doc to the file system when the user wanted to access.M >Maybe a little harder to implement, but better for maintaining db integrity.   I You don't have to involve the file system at all.  Store the blobs in an  K rdbms, and have your application, running as a CGI, fetch the blobs,  write K appropriate headers and then the binary document itself out to its link  to H the webserver.  Same strategy as generating a plot and writing it out to< the webserver without an intermediate file; we do that here.  L >In a file system approach under VMS, my memory tells me that there are/wereJ >a couple of limitations on the number of nested directory levels possibleF >and/or number of files. Since my current apps only deal with a ratherG >limited number of files outside the db I can't be sure if this vaguely ( >recollected 'issue' is still a problem.  H It's certainly less of a problem unders ODS-5 and under ODS-2 since 7.2.N You used to be limited to eight levels of directory structure (which you couldI fake out with rooted directory structures and renaming, but with possible J trouble); there'd also be noticeable performance difficulties in directoryK maintenance of large directories; both of these issues have been addressed.    >  > D >Other solutions would include 3rd party apps, if available on VMS -H >Documentum springs to mind as an application of this type, but it isn't >available on VMS.  C >Any thoughts on how to handle an app/requirement like this on VMS?   G Basic approach given above: store all the documents as blobs in a dbms, J have CGIs fetch 'em from the db and blat 'em out directly.  (The loss hereI vs. filesystem is in frequently-accessed files, which the webserver won't J cache if they appear to be dynamically generated.  But Apache 1.3 doesn't H cache anyway.  You'd have to figure out how to tweak your db to make it * cache big, frequently-accessed documents.)  B Lot of flexibility.  You can put Rdb on a backend machine (not theJ webserver); it's fast, not very fragile, and supports LARGE databases veryD well.  (It sounds like you're doing lots of access and not very muchI updating, so TPC-type data isn't really of any use.  MySQL is supposed to D be optimized to blat mostly-static data out onto webpages as fast asB possible, but I have no clue how well it compares to Rdb.  It _is_ available on VMS nowadays.)   I Your CGIs can run on the same or a different box than the webserver does; E through various approaches: FastCGI, OSU DECnet script execution (via J the OSU module on Apache if you're running Apache), or a dedicated server E process and a module to talk to it (easiest to implement on Apache or D WASD).  (The FastCGI and dedicated server approaches don't require a VMS-based webserver.)   D You can talk to Rdb from Java, Perl, Python, and (in theory, anyway,K haven't seen it working yet) PHP via the SQLNET4RDB (Oracle Call Interface) F support.  All true for Oracle Server, of course, but everything I hear& about Oracle suggests fragility to me.  I Webservers: CSWS is most industry-standard, WASD is fastest, OSU has most   third-party CGI tools available.   -- Alan  --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:28:37 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> , Subject: Re: Document warehouse for/on VMS??J Message-ID: <F_q5c.4120$uUx1.2537@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:4056141D.1653F841@istop.com...  > John Smith wrote:  > > 1 > > Thinking about a possible upcoming project...  > > J > > -approximately 100 million documents (.pdf  / .pps / .doc / .tif / xml /andE > > some other formats) need to be stored, indexed, and available for  display  > > via a web browser/plug-in  > C > If you are not concerned about moving to IA64, you might consider  ALL-IN-1. ItI > is highly scalable for such applications.  More recent versions (Called  Office* > Server) include WEB access to documents. > J > A1 uses RMS files as index, but you can distribute the load amongst many suchK > file cabinets. Allin1 stores file format, handing, long title, author etc  inJ > the file cabinet database. It is scriptable, and you can write code that can L > either be linked with the main image, or is dynamically linked against it. > L > However, for such a large project, you might consider buying software from% > NortherLights, AltaVista or Google.  > I > Google even has software that will convert PDF documenst to html on the  fly.    , Thanks...hadn't thought about that approach.    @ Platforms. Northern Light is available on Sun Solaris and LINUX.  F Didn't this originally start out on VMS? I guess it's simply a case ofL another ISV not thinking that it's worth their while to be in the VMS market? even though VMS could be the best platform to run their app on.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 07:49:46 +0000 * From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>, Subject: Re: Document warehouse for/on VMS??' Message-ID: <c36bk8$1rt$1@lore.csc.com>    John Smith wrote:  > / > Thinking about a possible upcoming project...  > M > -approximately 100 million documents (.pdf  / .pps / .doc / .tif / xml /and K > some other formats) need to be stored, indexed, and available for display  > via a web browser/plug-in   E > b) Store the 'objects' as blobs in a rdbms along with various other M > attributes and indicies to specific sections of interest. The the app would I > have to copy the doc to the file system when the user wanted to access. N > Maybe a little harder to implement, but better for maintaining db integrity.  D > Any thoughts on how to handle an app/requirement like this on VMS?  F There is a product formerly known as PCMS, or PVCS, but in any case itF comes from a company, or should I say is now owned by a company called Merant.   E It is a multiple platform CMS effectively (or this is how I currently @ see it being used) and it's a database between items, and formerC versions of the items, as well as a repository which keeps items on G respective platforms. It uses Oracle as the database, but in a multiple D platform environment you have one instance of the database, then theH remainder of the platforms as 'clients', and the users have GUI tools orA command line options to pull and push items from/to the database.   C Web integration would need a CGI which executes the "pull" from the 	 database.   H Of course, what I'm suggesting may be overkill because it is designed to+ do more than you are (I think) looking for.    http://www.merant.com/  F Now the question of VMS support. They have a VMS client, and of course+ you could run the database on a VMS system.   C Looking at their web site, it's one of those wonders that tells you A absolutely nothing. A previous incarnation did used to give you a H platform list. Also, it's not obvious how the "dimensions" product wouldF fit into how I think it may work for you. For the "current" version 8,G OpenVMS is not a listed operating system. However they do still support H VMS capable versions (version 4 at least). It would be for Merant to sayH if they were able or wanted to produce a V8 for VMS. They certainly haveF VMS customers in their current client list, though of course this does9 not imply that is one of the platforms it is employed on.    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 14:06:28 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> , Subject: Re: Document warehouse for/on VMS??L Message-ID: <ERD5c.16543$uUx1.10830@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  7 "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message ! news:c36bk8$1rt$1@lore.csc.com...  > John Smith wrote:  > > 1 > > Thinking about a possible upcoming project...  > > J > > -approximately 100 million documents (.pdf  / .pps / .doc / .tif / xml /andE > > some other formats) need to be stored, indexed, and available for  display  > > via a web browser/plug-in  > G > > b) Store the 'objects' as blobs in a rdbms along with various other I > > attributes and indicies to specific sections of interest. The the app  would K > > have to copy the doc to the file system when the user wanted to access. E > > Maybe a little harder to implement, but better for maintaining db 
 integrity. > F > > Any thoughts on how to handle an app/requirement like this on VMS? > H > There is a product formerly known as PCMS, or PVCS, but in any case itH > comes from a company, or should I say is now owned by a company called	 > Merant.  > G > It is a multiple platform CMS effectively (or this is how I currently B > see it being used) and it's a database between items, and formerE > versions of the items, as well as a repository which keeps items on I > respective platforms. It uses Oracle as the database, but in a multiple F > platform environment you have one instance of the database, then theJ > remainder of the platforms as 'clients', and the users have GUI tools orC > command line options to pull and push items from/to the database.  > E > Web integration would need a CGI which executes the "pull" from the  > database.  > J > Of course, what I'm suggesting may be overkill because it is designed to- > do more than you are (I think) looking for.  >  > http://www.merant.com/ > H > Now the question of VMS support. They have a VMS client, and of course- > you could run the database on a VMS system.  > E > Looking at their web site, it's one of those wonders that tells you C > absolutely nothing. A previous incarnation did used to give you a J > platform list. Also, it's not obvious how the "dimensions" product wouldH > fit into how I think it may work for you. For the "current" version 8,I > OpenVMS is not a listed operating system. However they do still support J > VMS capable versions (version 4 at least). It would be for Merant to sayJ > if they were able or wanted to produce a V8 for VMS. They certainly haveH > VMS customers in their current client list, though of course this does; > not imply that is one of the platforms it is employed on.     I I've used PVCS before. Not a bad product. Hadn't thought of using it as a J 'document management system' even though that's exactly what it is (with a bit of a twist).  I I'm not so interested in extracting the difference between documents that G are seemingly the same, ie. codefragment.c;129 and codefragment.c;130 , ( although that's not a bad thing to have.  G I'm more interested in categorizing all the documents by source, topic, J date, and cross-references - In essence using metadata about the document.G With meta data, the Google search appliance can easily categorize (with / certain customizations on a front-end process).   J Still walking my way through the real requirements - research and commentsJ here have shown valuable possibilities we hadn't considered. Thanks again.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 14:31:04 -0000 5 From: "Robert A.M. van Lopik" <lopik@mail.telepac.pt> , Subject: Re: Document warehouse for/on VMS??: Message-ID: <c374co$1smbq1$1@ID-191217.news.uni-berlin.de>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageF news:ERD5c.16543$uUx1.10830@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > 9 > "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message # > news:c36bk8$1rt$1@lore.csc.com...  > > John Smith wrote:  > > > 3 > > > Thinking about a possible upcoming project...  > > > L > > > -approximately 100 million documents (.pdf  / .pps / .doc / .tif / xml > /andG > > > some other formats) need to be stored, indexed, and available for 	 > display  > > > via a web browser/plug-in  > > I > > > b) Store the 'objects' as blobs in a rdbms along with various other K > > > attributes and indicies to specific sections of interest. The the app  > would E > > > have to copy the doc to the file system when the user wanted to  access. G > > > Maybe a little harder to implement, but better for maintaining db  > integrity. > > H > > > Any thoughts on how to handle an app/requirement like this on VMS? > > J > > There is a product formerly known as PCMS, or PVCS, but in any case itJ > > comes from a company, or should I say is now owned by a company called > > Merant.  > > I > > It is a multiple platform CMS effectively (or this is how I currently D > > see it being used) and it's a database between items, and formerG > > versions of the items, as well as a repository which keeps items on K > > respective platforms. It uses Oracle as the database, but in a multiple H > > platform environment you have one instance of the database, then theL > > remainder of the platforms as 'clients', and the users have GUI tools orE > > command line options to pull and push items from/to the database.  > > G > > Web integration would need a CGI which executes the "pull" from the 
 > > database.  > > L > > Of course, what I'm suggesting may be overkill because it is designed to/ > > do more than you are (I think) looking for.  > >  > > http://www.merant.com/ > > J > > Now the question of VMS support. They have a VMS client, and of course/ > > you could run the database on a VMS system.  > > G > > Looking at their web site, it's one of those wonders that tells you E > > absolutely nothing. A previous incarnation did used to give you a L > > platform list. Also, it's not obvious how the "dimensions" product wouldJ > > fit into how I think it may work for you. For the "current" version 8,K > > OpenVMS is not a listed operating system. However they do still support L > > VMS capable versions (version 4 at least). It would be for Merant to sayL > > if they were able or wanted to produce a V8 for VMS. They certainly haveJ > > VMS customers in their current client list, though of course this does= > > not imply that is one of the platforms it is employed on.  >  > K > I've used PVCS before. Not a bad product. Hadn't thought of using it as a L > 'document management system' even though that's exactly what it is (with a > bit of a twist). > K > I'm not so interested in extracting the difference between documents that I > are seemingly the same, ie. codefragment.c;129 and codefragment.c;130 , * > although that's not a bad thing to have. > I > I'm more interested in categorizing all the documents by source, topic, L > date, and cross-references - In essence using metadata about the document.I > With meta data, the Google search appliance can easily categorize (with 1 > certain customizations on a front-end process).  > L > Still walking my way through the real requirements - research and commentsL > here have shown valuable possibilities we hadn't considered. Thanks again. > H You may want to have a look at an open source project that is being done8 jointly between MIT and HP: http://dspace.org/index.html  L DSpace at present runs on Unixes and uses Postgresql as the database. I haveK looked into it (a bit) and it doesn't seem to difficult to make it database L independent; it just hasn't been done yet, or maybe somebody else already isL busy. The rest is Java stuff that should run on VMS as well. Maybe you couldK even get HP interested in having it on VMS. I would certainly be willing to   talk to some HP people about it.  K As to storing the documents in files in a directory structure: AFAIK DSpace D stores the files outside the database, but not in any structure; theJ structure is imposed by the indexing model in the database. The files just have a unique file name.   hth 
 rob van lopik    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2004 16:40:14 +0100C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann)  Subject: Re: DVD writer on ES40 - Message-ID: <40571fde$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>   D In article <cu43c.430$xC.150@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:/ >In article <4045ab67$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>,  & >  vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de# > (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) writes:  > H >:In article <AP51c.31$ev1.23@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoffman@hp.nospam (Hoff >:Hoffman) writes:I >:>  I've code working with a HP DVDwriter 200 series, writing DVD+RW and J >:>  CD-R media on an AlphaStation XP1000 running OpenVMS V7.3-2 -- use ofD >:>  the SCSI format unit command does require a change to DQDRIVER,G >:>  however ... If you want to pursue this change, take a look at the  D >:>  version of DQDRIVER on the Freeware, and look for the table of H >:>  commands and inbound/outbound directions -- you'll need to add the @ >:>  format unit command code into the driver source code table. >  >  >  >:Maybe it's easier! >:< >:Here is a log of dvdwrite run with an unmodified dqdriver: >  > A >  And then again, maybe not.  (I can only assume you posted your A >  reply before you looked at the cited section of DQDRIVER -- do  >  take a look at that code.)  >   D The "FORMAT_UNIT_COMMAND" is implemented in the dqdriver since 2000.
 Not "new".   eberhard     > 1 > ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h>  >-----------------------------2 >    For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- >www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq3 > --------------------------- pure personal opinion  >---------------------------F >        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com >    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2004 05:19:38 -0800( From: fausap@libero.it (Fausto Saporito) Subject: EUNICE availability= Message-ID: <8764e844.0403160519.39365b7f@posting.google.com>   
 Hello all,  ; I saw a lot of old posts about EUNICE emulutor for VAX/VMS. E I'm wondering if it's still possible to get this software, maybe with / the hobbyist license, running under OpenVMS 7.2   E I need to compile Franz Lisp and it's possible only under UNIX and/or  EUNICE emulation.    thanks in advance, Fausto   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:37:24 +0100 & From: "cor" <cor.smit@isnetworking.nl>  Subject: for sale DS10 + 2xBA3562 Message-ID: <c373ff$bk2$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>  	 For Sale: * DS10, Memory 768 Mb, 3 x 9 GB internal HDD 2 x BA356 JF Disks: RZ1DA-VW 9,1 Gb 7x (new)  RZ1ED-VW 18,2 Gb 6x (new)  email cor.smit@isnetworking.nl! Also OpenVMS specialist available    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:02:03 +0100 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> $ Subject: Re: FutureVAX vs CHARON-VAX: Message-ID: <c37cmp$21tgv2$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>  , On 2004-03-16 09:05, "Didier Morandi" wrote:   > [...]  > M > The FutureVAX is a hardware product from the Emulators International Dutch  N > company (http://www.emulatorsinternational.com/) which is intended to fully S > replace a VAX. It is a computer (COM-PU-TER), with an operating system (actually  R > two, Windows XP and VMS). The FutureVAX is a turn-key system. Like a Macintosh, , > if you want: "unpack it, plug it, run it". > L > CHARON-VAX is a software (SOFT-WA-RE) product from the Software Resources P > International Swiss company (http://www.softresint.com/), which emulates some K > VAX processors, aimed at being installed either on a Windows PC or on an  O > OpenVMS/Alpha computer. It is a fairly complex piece of software which needs  ! > service to be implemented. See?  > O > These are two different products, if my English is not too bad for you Barry.  >  > [...]   B So Windows *and* VMS are running in parallel on an Intel CPU?? No?  F As far as I understand it VMS is running on Charon-VAX which itself isK an application running on Windows as an hosting OS running on an Intel CPU.    Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:57:46 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>$ Subject: Re: FutureVAX vs CHARON-VAX- Message-ID: <c37f6p$u1m$1@biggoron.nerim.net>    Michael Unger wrote: > D > So Windows *and* VMS are running in parallel on an Intel CPU?? No? > H > As far as I understand it VMS is running on Charon-VAX which itself isM > an application running on Windows as an hosting OS running on an Intel CPU.   T In parallel? No. As far as I know, VMS does not run on Intel Pentium or AMD chips...  Q CHARON-VAX is a Windows and/or OpenVMS/Alpha programs which emulates a VAX. Then  Q you boot your emulated VAX and load VMS from a emulated ODS2/5 disk. The result,  O for the Windows version, is one Windows image, and if possible two CPUs (which  P is the case for the FutureVAX). One for Windows and one for the emulator, which P uses 100% of its CPU (because of the VMS IDLE process) unless you run a special G Windows application which suppresses the CPU usage of the IDLE process  O (available with the CHARON-VAX kit of the FutureVAX). Don't ask me how, I have  O no idea and am not interested in that depth of knowledge. I prefer to focus on   Customers requirements.    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 09:05:40 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>B Subject: FutureVAX vs CHARON-VAX (was: Nous opterons pour Opteron)- Message-ID: <c36cgj$76j$1@biggoron.nerim.net>    Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote: > Didier Morandi wrote:  > 9 >> o  migrate towards Software Resources Int'l CHARON-VAX 9 >> o  migrate towards Emulators International's FutureVAX  >  > J > Why do you continue with these shameless plugs for your FutureVAX as if G > it is something different than CHARON-VAX, it IS CHARON-VAX and your  ; > attempts to indicate otherwise is not terribly sincere...   K The FutureVAX is a hardware product from the Emulators International Dutch  L company (http://www.emulatorsinternational.com/) which is intended to fully Q replace a VAX. It is a computer (COM-PU-TER), with an operating system (actually  P two, Windows XP and VMS). The FutureVAX is a turn-key system. Like a Macintosh, * if you want: "unpack it, plug it, run it".  J CHARON-VAX is a software (SOFT-WA-RE) product from the Software Resources N International Swiss company (http://www.softresint.com/), which emulates some I VAX processors, aimed at being installed either on a Windows PC or on an  M OpenVMS/Alpha computer. It is a fairly complex piece of software which needs   service to be implemented. See?   M These are two different products, if my English is not too bad for you Barry.    Now, give me a break, will you?    Thanks.    D./ (FutureVAX *and* CHARON-VAX reseller in France)  --    J     didier morandi  ~ sarl au capital de 8 000 euros ~  Revendeur agr HPL   Expertise en environnement DIGITAL ~ Formation ~ Programmation ~ MigrationJ     Offshore ~ 5 av. A. Durand 31700 Blagnac France. Tl: 33(0)5 6131 6287G       SIRET 448 694 851 00016 RCS Toulouse http://www.didiermorandi.com    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 00:54:29 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) " Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes( Message-ID: <c35j85$k7l$1@pcls4.std.com>  , JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:   >Daryl Jones wrote: H >> pagefile or almost full pagefile. In either case, a message should beF >> coming up on your ops log file about the pagefile being fragmented.  K >Are you 100% sure the "page file badly fragmented" messages are handled by , >OPCOM and actually logged to operator.log ?  6 >From my experience, they were just displayed to OPA0.  D They are not in operator.log.  They are only printed on the console.  I >There were 2 messages. The first one was something like "page file badly J >fragmented, trying to continue", and the second one lacked the "trying toN >continue". After the first message, you still had time to start logging usersM >off. After the second message, it became extremely difficult, and you had to 6 >carefully select which use loogged off in what order.  % The messages you are thinking of are:   G \%SYSTEM-W-PAGEFRAG, Page file badly fragmented, system continuing\ and I \%SYSTEM-W-PAGECRIT, Page file space critical, system trying to continue\   A They were changed around V6.1 timeframe to "page file filling up"  and "nearly full" messages.      --   -Mike    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2004 20:03:21 -08007 From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones) " Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes= Message-ID: <8a646952.0403152003.4af21381@posting.google.com>    Dear JF Mezei:  C I'm sorry. My recollection was years ago the ops log which included ? console messages was generated on OPA0: on terminals or on line F printer and then later the log files were saved on VAXCluster Console.F Anyway, there were several messages generated which I think started atF 50% consumed and then continued until the system crashed or hangs. TheB last system that I set up, the ops log had to turn on for it to be displayed on OPA0.  / If I am wrong about his, please clarify for me.f   Regards, Daryl Jonest    [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<4056161C.5CBE1395@istop.com>...? > Daryl Jones wrote:I > > pagefile or almost full pagefile. In either case, a message should beDG > > coming up on your ops log file about the pagefile being fragmented.  > L > Are you 100% sure the "page file badly fragmented" messages are handled by- > OPCOM and actually logged to operator.log ?m > 7 > From my experience, they were just displayed to OPA0.e > J > There were 2 messages. The first one was something like "page file badlyK > fragmented, trying to continue", and the second one lacked the "trying tolO > continue". After the first message, you still had time to start logging users N > off. After the second message, it became extremely difficult, and you had to7 > carefully select which use loogged off in what order.M > O > (Logging off often requires that portion of a process in page file need to be J > brought back to memory for process rundown, which means you need to sendP > another process,s pages to the page file, and if the later is full/fragmented, > that is where it hangs.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 02:56:26 -0500e* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>" Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes) Message-ID: <4056B300.87DE4E85@istop.com>    Daryl Jones wrote:E > I'm sorry. My recollection was years ago the ops log which includedtA > console messages was generated on OPA0: on terminals or on linemH > printer and then later the log files were saved on VAXCluster Console.H > Anyway, there were several messages generated which I think started atD > 50% consumed and then continued until the system crashed or hangs.  M My recollection on my all mighty microvax II until I gave it a huge page filerN was that there was only 2 messages, one stating that it was fragmented, trying= to continue, and then one that said it was badly fragmented. -  M I can't be 100% sure, but they seemd to be written directlty to OPA0, and not: through OPCOM.  L Back at 5.5-2, when I implemented volume shadowing, the first day it was putJ into production after nightly tests, I was at the user offices, when thereI were complaints of system being very slow. Did a show mem to see the pageqF files almost used up, called the operators and ask them to look at theK printout of OPA0: and they did see the first message. I immediatly asked aseL many users as possible to log out (they were all in the room next to where IN was). After a couple of minutes when things had settled down, I created a new,J bigger page file, installed it, then also noticed that the previous systemN manager had set wsdec to 0 , which disabled paging of processes, and set it to3 a decent value. All this was done without a reboot.y  M Later, I had to do a "post mortem", the comittee were pretty impressed when IaJ had explained what had happene and how I had been able to fix it without aJ reboot. (during all that time, one user had remained logged into enter the most important SWIFT messages).v   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2004 04:39:16 -0800* From: wim.van-den-wyngaert@ing.be (Wim@BE)" Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes= Message-ID: <6ad21a71.0403160439.2b3f6a2c@posting.google.com>t   JF  1 I did a test on an alpha station 500 with VMS7.3. 7 I started big TPU sessions until the pagefile was full.h Not 1 message.   Wimt   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2004 07:44:50 -0800- From: phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer)   Subject: Re: How to get username= Message-ID: <5ee1d1b7.0403160744.2bf98965@posting.google.com>3  
 > > Try this:t > > H > > A = F$GETSYI("NODENAME")+"::"+F$EDIT(F$GETJPI("","USERNAME"),"trim") > > SET PROMPT="''A' > " > > G > Yes, I think I know how it should be done. What I am curiuos about isvF > how it is possible that DCL can make something out of such a mangled > string construct!4 >  > Bart Zornc  C You just have to look at it as any other programming language, likegD C++.  Some of the constructs in C++ look peretty mangled for some of0 us old COBOL/FORTRAN/BASIC programming types. :)  4 If you break it down to multiple lines of code like:    NODE_NAME = F$GETSYI("NODENAME")# USER_NAME = F$GETJPI("","USERNAME") $ USER_NAME = F$EDIT(USER_NAME,"TRIM") A = NODE_NAME+"::"+USER_NAME SET PROMPT="''A' > "   Does that make more sense?   PT   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2004 23:20:33 -0800% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn)6  Subject: Re: How to get username= Message-ID: <a98cd882.0403152320.4b27d818@posting.google.com>t  r phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer) wrote in message news:<5ee1d1b7.0403151024.23d5fac8@posting.google.com>...l > Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) wrote in message news:<a98cd882.0403150355.7a8731f1@posting.google.com>...] > > Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> wrote in message news:<105ag4ec3kr6df2@corp.supernews.com>...d- > > > Jan-Erik S?derholm <aaa@aaa.com> wrote:uK > > > : > SET PROMPT="''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''"e >  n > > > : One way : B > > > : $ P="''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''" > > > : $ SET PROMPT = "''p' " > > >  > > > Another way: > > > L > > > $ SET PROMPT="''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''>" " > > B > > Although this surprisingly DOES work, it makes an even greater8 > > syntactical mess of the command then it already was. > >  > > Another observation: > > @ > > $ A = "''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''" > > $ SHOW SYMBOL A  > >   A = "SPLZ03::BART"C > > $ A = "''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''>" "lD > > %DCL-W-SYMDEL, invalid symbol or value delimiter - check command
 > > syntax > > $t > > * > > Any comments from our DCL wizard, Guy? > >  > > Regards, > > 
 > > Bart Zornr >  >  > Try this:o > F > A = F$GETSYI("NODENAME")+"::"+F$EDIT(F$GETJPI("","USERNAME"),"trim") > SET PROMPT="''A' > " > A > Basically, the principles are to insert a double-quote inside acC > quotesed string you have to use two double-quotes.  So inside the4E > outermost set of double-quotes you have to double the double-quotesn > whever you want them at.      [ Snip ... ]o  E Yes, I think I know how it should be done. What I am curiuos about isaD how it is possible that DCL can make something out of such a mangled string construct!s  	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:02:24 -0500i( From: "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail.com>  Subject: Re: How to get username, Message-ID: <4055fe0f$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  : "PhilThayer" <phillip_thayer@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:5ee1d1b7.0403151024.23d5fac8@posting.google.com...  > Try this:v >oF > A = F$GETSYI("NODENAME")+"::"+F$EDIT(F$GETJPI("","USERNAME"),"trim") > SET PROMPT="''A' > " >cA > Basically, the principles are to insert a double-quote inside am4 > quotesed string you have to use two double-quotes.  % What's the challenge in that! Boring!h   :-)r   Hein.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:34:21 +0100d2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)  Subject: Re: How to get username; Message-ID: <40573a9d.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>t  . PhilThayer (phillip_thayer@hotmail.com) wrote: > Bart Zorn wrote: > > > Try this:y > > > J > > > A = F$GETSYI("NODENAME")+"::"+F$EDIT(F$GETJPI("","USERNAME"),"trim") > > > SET PROMPT="''A' > " > > > I > > Yes, I think I know how it should be done. What I am curiuos about is H > > how it is possible that DCL can make something out of such a mangled > > string construct!  ...h6 > If you break it down to multiple lines of code like: >s" > NODE_NAME = F$GETSYI("NODENAME")% > USER_NAME = F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")r& > USER_NAME = F$EDIT(USER_NAME,"TRIM") > A = NODE_NAME+"::"+USER_NAME > SET PROMPT="''A' > " >r > Does that make more sense?  8 I think Bart was refering to the original line which was  A SET PROMPT="''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''"  "'  ? which I would break down - using normal DCL string rules - likes  =  "''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"  'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")'  '""'   1 1. It seems SET PROMPT implicitly merges strings.e0 2. The last part doesn't make sense, or does it?   cu,s	   Martin r -- uC                              | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules! 6   Microsoft isn't the Borg:  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deI   the Borg have proper       |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/c=   networking.                | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.deO   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2004 10:10:50 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)  Subject: Re: How to get username= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0403161010.63a78baa@posting.google.com>i  j Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) wrote in message news:<a98cd882.0403150355.7a8731f1@posting.google.com>...[ > Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> wrote in message news:<105ag4ec3kr6df2@corp.supernews.com>...c+ > > Jan-Erik S?derholm <aaa@aaa.com> wrote:hI > > : > SET PROMPT="''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''"h >  w > > : One way :o@ > > : $ P="''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''" > > : $ SET PROMPT = "''p' " > >  > > Another way: > > J > > $ SET PROMPT="''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''>" " > @ > Although this surprisingly DOES work, it makes an even greater6 > syntactical mess of the command then it already was. >  > Another observation: > > > $ A = "''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''" > $ SHOW SYMBOL Af >   A = "SPLZ03::BART"A > $ A = "''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''>" "SB > %DCL-W-SYMDEL, invalid symbol or value delimiter - check command > syntax > $  > ( > Any comments from our DCL wizard, Guy? > 
 > Regards, >  > Bart Zorn    Well, here's my take on this:e   Consider  D $ SET PROM="''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''>" "D $        A="''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''>" "@ %DCL-W-SYMDEL, invalid symbol or value delimiter - check command syntax $r  J? I think the SET PROMPT version works only because commands liken  e     $ SET PROMPT=ASDFD  OB work; i.e., SET PROMPT is expecting a character string and acceptsD spaces and >'s as part of it. Change this command to a symbol assignE (which is already done above) and it fails because of the spaces nears' the end while DCL is in non-quote mode.-  a > > > Another observation: > > >=B > > > $ A = "''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''" > > > $ SHOW SYMBOL A. > > >   A = "SPLZ03::BART"  eE I'm surprised this works. I would have expected it to fail because --iF except for 12-char usernames -- there would be spaces in a place whereB DCL would be in non-quote mode. Somehow, the last apostrophe nukesE said space and it works. I don't know how or why this happens. But it2  happens the same for SET PROMPT.  o< If you remove that last aprostrophe it fails for both cases:  g $ set prompt=dcl>U< DCL>a="''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''" DCL>sh sym a   A = "IDS03::FELDMAN"    DCL>!!! Remove final apostrophe:  ; DCL>a="''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")'"s> %DCL-W-EXPSYN, invalid expression syntax - check operators and operands DCL>B DCL>set prom="''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")'"@ %DCL-W-MAXPARM, too many parameters - reenter command with fewer
 parameters  \"\ DCL>  < Notice how the set prompt command above is happy to accept a. non-quoted string that contains a > character!   What is non-quote mode?r   dcl> a = "abc"def"ghi"
 dcl> sh sym a    A = "abcDEFghi"e dcl> a = "abc" def"ghi"i= %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spellingh	  \DEFghi\b  E The second quote puts DCL in non-quote mode. That's why the DEF is in B uppercase. In the second command, the space stops the appending ofA subsequent characters to the current token and the command fails.l  E Quote mode: Read all characters verbatim except process double quotescD as a single quote, process double apostrophes as symbol subst. (withC final apostrophe). An initial single quote changes DCL to non-quotel mode.   @ Non-quote mode: Upcase everything, process single apostrophes asC symbol subst. commands, all the other usual DCL stuff, and continuetF appending characters to the current token unless a space or some otherE special character is encountered. Also, a single quote changes DCL tov quote mode.    Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmani   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:51:54 -05009< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>+ Subject: Re: HP's emails blocked by spamcopg: Message-ID: <c377qv$24n40t$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>   JF Mezei wrote:a >...7 > I wonder if HP is actually sending SPAM (unsollicitedn advertising)= > from the same servers that it is sending serious stuff liked the ITRC	 > stuff ?d >...  = Have you seen the latest ITRC mailing? I got one today, theree= was one line that I would consider useful, the other dozen or > so (I deleted the garbage in anger otherwise I would count the8 lines) lines was all advertising for stuff I don't need.   -- u Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXm www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 04:50:49 -0500h* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>' Subject: HP's emails blocked by spamcopm) Message-ID: <4056CDC7.E9A12E7C@istop.com>p  M I am subscribed to the ITRC mailing list. However, HP attempted to send me an ( email and my ISP bounced it as spam !!!!  C Mar 16 00:49:45 ns postfix/smtpd[19471]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from A mh.hp.m0.net[209.11.164.98]: 554 Service unavailable; Client hostr; [209.11.164.98] blocked using bl.spamcop.net; Blocked - seetI http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?209.11.164.98; from=<us-news@your.hp.com>s9 to=<vaxination@istop.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<mh.hp.m0.net>e  K I wonder if HP is actually sending SPAM (unsollicited advertising) from the D same servers that it is sending serious stuff like the ITRC stuff ?   N Either way, the owner of the ITRC mailing list should be contacted and advisedD that his emails have been bounced by many recipient's email systems.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:04:02 -0500h+ From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@intel.com>e+ Subject: Re: HP's emails blocked by spamcope8 Message-ID: <sk5e50db7ugdu7utvnr4m4tdr5og30cf3c@4ax.com>  H On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 04:50:49 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:  N >I am subscribed to the ITRC mailing list. However, HP attempted to send me an) >email and my ISP bounced it as spam !!!!o >eD >Mar 16 00:49:45 ns postfix/smtpd[19471]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT fromB >mh.hp.m0.net[209.11.164.98]: 554 Service unavailable; Client host< >[209.11.164.98] blocked using bl.spamcop.net; Blocked - seeJ >http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?209.11.164.98; from=<us-news@your.hp.com>: >to=<vaxination@istop.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<mh.hp.m0.net> > L >I wonder if HP is actually sending SPAM (unsollicited advertising) from theE >same servers that it is sending serious stuff like the ITRC stuff ?    F m0.net is a third-party marketing firm that a lot of companies use forG marketing mailing, though in my experience, it never spams.  One of the>L problems with blocklists such as Spamcop's that rely on user reports is thatM some users, accidentally or intentionally, report as spam mailings which theypH did indeed request or grant permission to receive.  (I am a Spamcop user$ myself, so I have seen this effect.)  N I have added m0.net to my Spamcop whitelist - you may want to restrict this to
 hp.m0,net.   Steveg   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 08:42:04 -0800 3 From: Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com>o+ Subject: Re: HP's emails blocked by spamcope. Message-ID: <40572E5C.4050608@Flying-Disk.com>   Steve Lionel wrote: J > On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 04:50:49 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> > wrote:  O >>I am subscribed to the ITRC mailing list. However, HP attempted to send me an * >>email and my ISP bounced it as spam !!!!  H > m0.net is a third-party marketing firm that a lot of companies use forI > marketing mailing, though in my experience, it never spams.  One of thevN > problems with blocklists such as Spamcop's that rely on user reports is thatO > some users, accidentally or intentionally, report as spam mailings which theys4 > did indeed request or grant permission to receive.  E Unfortunately, HP does *not* use confirmed opt-in, so it is extremelytC easy for vandals to forge-subscribe people to HP's lists.   This isnE probably what leads to HP/m0.net getting on Spamcop's lists.   I havedH tried to educate HP, but to no avail.   According to Dan Swartwood, HP's? Privacy Officer, HP has no intention of using confirmed opt-in.s   Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2004 09:58:11 -0800. From: alexdaniels@themail.co.uk (Alex Daniels)+ Subject: Re: HP's emails blocked by spamcopM= Message-ID: <9f7f13a8.0403160958.4b569730@posting.google.com>u  [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<4056CDC7.E9A12E7C@istop.com>...aO > I am subscribed to the ITRC mailing list. However, HP attempted to send me an * > email and my ISP bounced it as spam !!!! > E > Mar 16 00:49:45 ns postfix/smtpd[19471]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT fromuC > mh.hp.m0.net[209.11.164.98]: 554 Service unavailable; Client hosty= > [209.11.164.98] blocked using bl.spamcop.net; Blocked - seeeK > http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?209.11.164.98; from=<us-news@your.hp.com>e; > to=<vaxination@istop.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<mh.hp.m0.net>r > M > I wonder if HP is actually sending SPAM (unsollicited advertising) from the F > same servers that it is sending serious stuff like the ITRC stuff ?  > P > Either way, the owner of the ITRC mailing list should be contacted and advisedF > that his emails have been bounced by many recipient's email systems.  B At a previous site I had a number of email's from hp blocked. They: usually contained things like, 'anal/sys' or 'anal/crash'.  * A colleague did report this problem to hp.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:59:07 GMT 2 From: "Ken Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com>G Subject: Just Posted on SKHPC Web Site: A Trio of Talks from Down Under ? Message-ID: <fvF5c.103476$eL2.5295527@twister.southeast.rr.com>r  J As many of you know, I was missing in action (and not posting much news onG this site) from 23 February until 3 March due to a trip to Australia toaK deliver a trio of presentations to Encompass Australia Local User Groups in0K Sydney and Melbourne, and to HP employees and customers at an HP Enterprise:J Sales Academy Event on Australia's Gold Coast. It took a while to trim theK presentations down amd convert them from PowerPoint to PDF format, and thencI get them posted on my Web site at http://www.shannonknowshpc.com, but theeI job is finally done. Within the last hour, I posted the slideware from mycK presentations on the site. If you're interested in viewing the slide sets IpL used in Australia, here are the names and descriptions of the talks, as well& as the URLs at which they are located.     HP: 21 Months Post-Mergere  L This is a condensed version of a speech I delivered in Sydney and Melbourne,J Australia on 24 February and 2 March respectively. The slides reflect HP'sK progress in the post-merger era and include my ever-popular Top Ten List of K Fearless HP Prognostications, several of which have already come to pass. IeF converted the original PowerPoint slides into Adobe PDF format to saveG space: I can upload no more than 5MB in a single email message, and theoL original version of this presentation took up more than 14MB of space. AfterG removing some pictures that consumed an inordinate amiount of space andyJ converting the slides to PDF, the file size was reduced to just under 2MB.) The downsized presentation is located at:oC http://www.shannonknowshpc.com/stories.php?story=04/03/15/7455423 .e    5 HP Hardware Futures: What's After Marvel & Superdome?e  G HP is developing a Future Enterprise Server that will replace incumbent F Alpha and Integrity Superdome systems in the 2007-2008 timeframe. ThisI presentation, delivered in Sydney and Melbourne, Australia in early MarchsI 2004, discusses current HP enterprise servers and near-term enhancements, H and then presents my expectations for a next-generation server that willF support 256 or more Itanium CPUs, at least 2TB of memory, and advancedL management software. Also included are performance estimates and some of theJ gating factors associated with the development of the server. To view this) presentation, just point your browser at:uC http://www.shannonknowshpc.com/stories.php?story=04/03/15/9445374 .a    2 HP's Adaptive Enterprise: An Analyst's Perspective  I This presentation, which I delivered on 1 March 2004 at the HP EnterpriserG Sales Academy on Australia's Gold Coast, provides my assessment of HP's L evolving Adaptive Enterprise (AE) strategy and product set. The presentationE includes a discussion of Compaq's "Server Utility" AE precursor, HP'se> decision to extend storage and CPU virtualization to create anK infrastructure in which all hardware and software assets are virtualized to B enable continuous and secure operations, automated and intelligentL management, and dynamic resource optimization, allocation, reallocation, andL deallocation that enable the infrastructure to immediately adapt to changingL business conditions and workloads.Business and IT will be fully synchronizedK to capitalize on change in an environment characterized by standardization,aB management, and virtualization. Element virtualization, integratedJ virtualization, and complete IT Utility virtualization will be defined andG explained, together with OS and Blade server virtualization, as well as K comprehensive Utility Data Center virtualization. If you're wondering why IaI devoted so much time to virtualization, it's because the AE and successor ? UDC architectures rely heavily on this technology. To view this " presentation, just pay a visit to:C http://www.shannonknowshpc.com/stories.php?story=04/03/15/9390492 .e    I I haven't heard whether any of my sessions--including a new one that will K provide an in-deoth discussion of HP's Itanium strategy--have been acceptedsL for the colocated ENSA@WORK and HP-Interex-EMEA symposium in Munich. If I amI not invited to attend the Munich event, it will be the first time in more I than a decade that I've missed a European symposium. Based on the lack ofoI feedback from the conference cioordinators, these slides may represent myeI contribution to HP-Interex-EMEA knowledge base this year. I hope you finds5 the presentations to be informative and entertaining.g    I (c) 2004 by Terry C. Shannon, Consultant and Publisher, Shannon Knows HPC      -- Kenneth Farmer <>< OpenVMS.org    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Mar 2004 05:20:45 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.comu, Subject: Re: Keyboard and the NewVMS desktop, Message-ID: <c362rd111l4@enews2.newsguy.com>  4 Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@flying-disk.com> wrote:? > In my experience, there are only a very few KVM switches that A > work with VMS.   The two companies I know of that "do it right"j@ > are Rose and Raritan, and even then, not all of their productsA > work.   For instance, the Raritan MX48 (and similar units) willh? > work with VMS only if you have an APKME module in series withi > the keyboard.   = > I am told that the problem is because VMS puts the keyboardn> > into a different mode than that used by PCs.   Non-VMS-aware& > KVM switches don't handle this well.  H The 4 port Belkin OMNI KVM switch he's using doesn't even handle Alpha'sL that well.  I remember having to telnet into a Multia I had connected to oneK temporarily and reboot it, as once I switched to another system and back, I H could no longer type.  I finally gave up on plugging my Alpha's into theK KVM, and these days I just run them with a VT420 plugged in, and display myd% DECwindows desktop on another system.u   			Zane    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 09:18:11 GMT.0 From: glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>, Subject: Re: Keyboard and the NewVMS desktop. Message-ID: <nDz5c.23315$J05.164091@attbi_s01>   healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:  J > The 4 port Belkin OMNI KVM switch he's using doesn't even handle Alpha'sN > that well.  I remember having to telnet into a Multia I had connected to oneM > temporarily and reboot it, as once I switched to another system and back, I-J > could no longer type.  I finally gave up on plugging my Alpha's into theM > KVM, and these days I just run them with a VT420 plugged in, and display my-' > DECwindows desktop on another system.-  > Same for PS/2's running OS/2.  I tried an non-Belkin KVM which& also didn't work with the combination.   -- glen-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:06:23 +0000(* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>, Subject: Re: Keyboard and the NewVMS desktop' Message-ID: <c36qle$71f$1@lore.csc.com>a   glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: >  > healyzh@aracnet.com wrote: > L > > The 4 port Belkin OMNI KVM switch he's using doesn't even handle Alpha'sP > > that well.  I remember having to telnet into a Multia I had connected to oneO > > temporarily and reboot it, as once I switched to another system and back, I-L > > could no longer type.  I finally gave up on plugging my Alpha's into theO > > KVM, and these days I just run them with a VT420 plugged in, and display my7) > > DECwindows desktop on another system.a > @ > Same for PS/2's running OS/2.  I tried an non-Belkin KVM which( > also didn't work with the combination.  B Well in one case I was using a DEC 2000 (Jensen) with the standardC graphics with a Belkin, and the Belkin thinks the video has gone to4G sleep, although it did display. I didn't try to switch the kb or mouse.u  H In another situation I was using a DS20E and a Compaq KVM, and it worked
 perfectly.  E I tried to use a keyboard extender cable on a VT520 kb, but it didn't  work very well.a   -- r? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencest nclews at csc dot coma   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 09:14:53 -0500 % From: "DAVID TURNER" <DAVID@HPAQ.NET>(, Subject: Re: Keyboard and the NewVMS desktop0 Message-ID: <105e2uvrf16lc5a@news.supernews.com>  H Try using a standard PC keyboard and  >>>set  kbd_hardware_type to PCXAL5 This changes the I/O to a standard "non-vms" keyboardn, If I remember correctly, this does the trick   David  --   Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St Suite 180a Savannah GA 31404n Tel: 912 4476622 Fax: 912 201 0402o, Email (SPAMproofed) dbturner@islandco.nospam (replace nospam with .com)    7 "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in messagec! news:c36qle$71f$1@lore.csc.com...r > glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: > >n > > healyzh@aracnet.com wrote: > >lF > > > The 4 port Belkin OMNI KVM switch he's using doesn't even handle Alpha'swK > > > that well.  I remember having to telnet into a Multia I had connected  to oneI > > > temporarily and reboot it, as once I switched to another system ande back, IsJ > > > could no longer type.  I finally gave up on plugging my Alpha's into thehF > > > KVM, and these days I just run them with a VT420 plugged in, and
 display my+ > > > DECwindows desktop on another system.- > >-B > > Same for PS/2's running OS/2.  I tried an non-Belkin KVM which* > > also didn't work with the combination. >HD > Well in one case I was using a DEC 2000 (Jensen) with the standardE > graphics with a Belkin, and the Belkin thinks the video has gone totI > sleep, although it did display. I didn't try to switch the kb or mouse.w >hJ > In another situation I was using a DS20E and a Compaq KVM, and it worked > perfectly. > G > I tried to use a keyboard extender cable on a VT520 kb, but it didn'tM > work very well.N >X > -- iA > Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Scienceso > nclews at csc dot coma   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:41:07 +0100s* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> Subject: Re: Movies cut on VMS: Message-ID: <c36p4k$245a99$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   healyzh@aracnet.com wrote: > VAXman- wrote: > Y >>In article <4052ed68$0$280$626a14ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:  >>R >>>I'm currently working on a VMS presentation and I would like to be able to cut U >>>my Macintosh OS X 10.3 iMovie3 project on a PC with Lostdows Movie Maker 5.1 (XP).u >  > O >>Why?  If you have OS X 10.3 and iMovie I assume you also have the iLiFe suite N >>with iDVD?  Is it that you have no DVD burner?  They're cheap.  Buy one for " >>the Mac and burn your DVD there. >  > K > But if he needs to use an external burner, then he would need to have DVDtM > Studio Pro, as iDVD only supports "SuperDrives".  For that matter, 10.3 andlE > iMovie 3 don't necessarily mean the existance of iDVD on a system.   >   I I don't have my iBook handy to check right now, but I'm pretty sure that iH 10.3 on its own doesn't come with iDVD. That's not to say that it isn't ? included with new systems ordered with a Superdrive, of course.   : It does come as part of the iLife package ($49 in the US).   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:16:11 GMTi" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Movies cut on VMS0 Message-ID: <00A2EEAF.09D350CB@SendSpamHere.ORG>  g In article <c36p4k$245a99$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:  >healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:a >> VAXman- wrote:d >> rZ >>>In article <4052ed68$0$280$626a14ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes: >>>tS >>>>I'm currently working on a VMS presentation and I would like to be able to cut  V >>>>my Macintosh OS X 10.3 iMovie3 project on a PC with Lostdows Movie Maker 5.1 (XP). >>   >> mP >>>Why?  If you have OS X 10.3 and iMovie I assume you also have the iLiFe suiteO >>>with iDVD?  Is it that you have no DVD burner?  They're cheap.  Buy one for n# >>>the Mac and burn your DVD there.- >>   >> iL >> But if he needs to use an external burner, then he would need to have DVDN >> Studio Pro, as iDVD only supports "SuperDrives".  For that matter, 10.3 andF >> iMovie 3 don't necessarily mean the existance of iDVD on a system.  >>   > J >I don't have my iBook handy to check right now, but I'm pretty sure that I >10.3 on its own doesn't come with iDVD. That's not to say that it isn't e@ >included with new systems ordered with a Superdrive, of course. > ; >It does come as part of the iLife package ($49 in the US).z  L My PowerBook G4 17" laptop came with the iLife suite (iTunes, iMovie, iDVD)." It also has the SuperDrive. OS X.3  K I recently purchased the new iLife because I wanted GarageBand.  This is angJ excellent piece of software and was worth the $49.00 alone.  I purchased aK USB/MIDI keyboard to use with it as well.  I've used my GarageBand to cut apJ radio announcement segue with my DECtalk for AuralMoon.com and I'm working on serveral more.  d   --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.d -- lK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             i5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" r   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2004 02:30:37 -0800$ From: anantha.prabhu@hp.com (Ananth)& Subject: ncurses support for ovms ????= Message-ID: <e0273250.0403160230.36f4b92c@posting.google.com>Y   Hello,  E I wanted to know whether ncurses are supported on OVMS or not? I have D an application which uses "cbreak" function of curses. When I try toD compile this source on OVMS, I get an error saying cbreak undefined.0 Does that mean curses are not supported on OVMS?   Thanks and Regards Ananth   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Mar 2004 10:59:16 GMT2 From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@squeeeez.no-ip.com>* Subject: Re: ncurses support for ovms ????/ Message-ID: <slrnc5dng5.nm.thierry@MARS.Family>e  
 Good morning!t  4 On 2004-03-16, Ananth <anantha.prabhu@hp.com> wrote:  G > I wanted to know whether ncurses are supported on OVMS or not? I havevF > an application which uses "cbreak" function of curses. When I try toF > compile this source on OVMS, I get an error saying cbreak undefined.2 > Does that mean curses are not supported on OVMS?  @ curses is supported on OpenVMS, although it seems cbreak is not.D You could put this in one of your included .h-files to make it work:  ; #if defined(VMS) || defined(__convex__) || defined(sequent)e #if !defined(cbreak) #define cbreak crmodee #endif #endif   (got this from:bC http://www.stsci.edu/ftp/software/gopher-client/gopher/CURcurses.h)e   HTH    Thierryo   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:44:47 -0700O+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> ' Subject: Re: Nous opterons pour Opteronl' Message-ID: <40563FEF.8030506@MMaz.com>e   Didier Morandi wrote:t  8 > o  migrate towards Software Resources Int'l CHARON-VAX8 > o  migrate towards Emulators International's FutureVAX  H Why do you continue with these shameless plugs for your FutureVAX as if E it is something different than CHARON-VAX, it IS CHARON-VAX and your o: attempts to indicate otherwise is not terribly sincere...      Barryi   -- o  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        e   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2004 03:26:52 -08000 From: gjosepsson@yahoo.com (Gudmundur Josepsson) Subject: Oracle exp on VMS= Message-ID: <d0b8e184.0403160326.7664c093@posting.google.com>7   Hi,i  ? How can I quote the query clause so that it works on DCL/VMS?  y  C exp userid=scott/tiger@orc1 tables=emp query=where job like 'CLERK'o   Thanks,t	 Gudmundur    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:26:16 -0500o* From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillmabg@yahoo.com>/ Subject: RE: SAMBA & Advanced Server - coexist?m' Message-ID: <012DF2CC.C22236@yahoo.com>a   Brian Tillman wrote:  % >> Anyone using SAMBA with VMS V7.3 ?t > C > OpenVMS VAX V7.2 for me.  It doesn't work on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1t > here, at any rate.  < I found my problem.  D'oh!  I had the SMBD service disabled. -- m
 Brian Tillmana   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:04:22 -0500 * From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillmabg@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: SMTP filtersh' Message-ID: <012DF081.C22236@yahoo.com>f   Jerry Alan Braga wrote:   . > Do the 5.4 ECO1 fixes mean you don't need MX > - > or is the investment in MX still worth it ?g   It's still worth it. -- l
 Brian Tillmans   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:14:30 +0000m) From: Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk>a/ Subject: Re: SSH, X11 forwarding and TCPIP V5.4n- Message-ID: <c36nin$11qn$1@godfrey.mcc.ac.uk>    Jack Patteeuw wrote:  H > I have very little experience with SSH so I'm looking for someone who  > has the details worked out ! > I > We have TCPIP V5.4 installed which include ssh and ssh_server (not the tG > EAK).  The docs clearly state that the "standard" -x switch will not t > work for X11 forwarding. > F > So how do I tell PuTTY to tell VMS I want my X11 packets forwarded ? >   G Intersting. This feature certainly does not work in the EAK, and I was lG told that it would be implemented in 5.4 which I am eagerly waiting to -G install. I'll be most dissappointed if it still does not work. Perhaps g@ it has to be switched on. See other post from MArtin Vorleander.  G Not sure how to do it in PuTTY, but you can do manual port forwarding. t8 from Cygwin's implementation of ssh, I do the following:  " 	ssh -R 6010:localhost:6000 acavms  I This means that once connected to acavms (my machine) any connections to 0H port 6010 on acavms will be redirected to port 6000 on localhost, i.e., 5 the machine from which I am invoking the ssh command.7  # On VMS, I then issue the following:   < 	set display/create/transport=tcpip/host=localhost/server=10  # and then start a DECW$ application.M   Messy, but it does work.  F I have tried encapsulating all of the above into a single ssh command G invoking pipe with the set disp and DECW app all in one line, but that c fails for some reason. E.g.,  % ssh -R 6010:localhost:6000 "pipe set r: disp/create/trans=tcpip/server=10/user ; create/term/wait"   Tony.k   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:07:53 +0100 - From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de> / Subject: Re: SSH, X11 forwarding and TCPIP V5.4S9 Message-ID: <c3758k$24b547$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>_   Tony Arnold wrote: > Jack Patteeuw wrote:H > Intersting. This feature certainly does not work in the EAK, and I wasH > told that it would be implemented in 5.4 which I am eagerly waiting toH > install. I'll be most dissappointed if it still does not work. PerhapsB > it has to be switched on. See other post from MArtin Vorleander.  G But how to switch it on besides the config file's "AllowX11Forwarding"?.  H > Not sure how to do it in PuTTY, but you can do manual port forwarding.: > from Cygwin's implementation of ssh, I do the following: > # > ssh -R 6010:localhost:6000 acavmsw > G > This means that once connected to acavms (my machine) any connections.F > to port 6010 on acavms will be redirected to port 6000 on localhost,= > i.e., the machine from which I am invoking the ssh command.G > % > On VMS, I then issue the following:" > = > set display/create/transport=tcpip/host=localhost/server=10  > % > and then start a DECW$ application.A >  > Messy, but it does work.  B Yep, this one does the job. Unfortunately it's not possible to use? it with PuTTY (or PuTTY's command line equivalent, plink) whicha, only supports the -X/-x command line switch.  ? It seems that enabling X forwarding (by merely checking the box @ in PuTTY's setup screen) triggers a missing feature. PuTTY's log
 file says:  &   Event Log: Requesting X11 forwarding#   Event Log: X11 forwarding refusedl   :-((  = From the log it also seems this relies on an MIT-MAGIC-COOKIEu; (which AFAIK DECwindows doesn't support), so maybe it's not  SSH's fault.   cu,    Martin -- S@   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de F    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:39:38 +0100 - From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de>s/ Subject: Re: SSH, X11 forwarding and TCPIP V5.4t9 Message-ID: <c37746$226qsm$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>l   Martin Vorlaender wrote: > Tony Arnold wrote:$ >> ssh -R 6010:localhost:6000 acavms > D > Yep, this one does the job. Unfortunately it's not possible to useA > it with PuTTY (or PuTTY's command line equivalent, plink) which.. > only supports the -X/-x command line switch.  D I found a workaround for the non-commercial case: SSH CommunicationsG Security Inc.'s SSH client. You can download a Windows installation kit" viaRG http://www.ssh.com/support/downloads/secureshellwks/non-commercial.htmlr   cu,s   Martin -- o@   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de F    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2004 09:55:23 -0800  From: nmanser@progis.de (Manser)/ Subject: Re: SSH, X11 forwarding and TCPIP V5.4a= Message-ID: <2178d61f.0403160955.187f29fb@posting.google.com>O  ^ Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk> wrote in message news:<c36nin$11qn$1@godfrey.mcc.ac.uk>... > Jack Patteeuw wrote: > J > > I have very little experience with SSH so I'm looking for someone who   > > has the details worked out ! > > K > > We have TCPIP V5.4 installed which include ssh and ssh_server (not the lI > > EAK).  The docs clearly state that the "standard" -x switch will not E > > work for X11 forwarding. > > H > > So how do I tell PuTTY to tell VMS I want my X11 packets forwarded ? > >  > I > Intersting. This feature certainly does not work in the EAK, and I was wI > told that it would be implemented in 5.4 which I am eagerly waiting to 'I > install. I'll be most dissappointed if it still does not work. Perhaps 'B > it has to be switched on. See other post from MArtin Vorleander. > I > Not sure how to do it in PuTTY, but you can do manual port forwarding. s: > from Cygwin's implementation of ssh, I do the following: > $ > 	ssh -R 6010:localhost:6000 acavms > K > This means that once connected to acavms (my machine) any connections to  J > port 6010 on acavms will be redirected to port 6000 on localhost, i.e., 7 > the machine from which I am invoking the ssh command.- > % > On VMS, I then issue the following:  > > > 	set display/create/transport=tcpip/host=localhost/server=10 > % > and then start a DECW$ application.b >  > Messy, but it does work. > H > I have tried encapsulating all of the above into a single ssh command I > invoking pipe with the set disp and DECW app all in one line, but that n > fails for some reason. E.g., > ' > ssh -R 6010:localhost:6000 "pipe set r< > disp/create/trans=tcpip/server=10/user ; create/term/wait" >  > Tony.E   I have the following config'   on the server side  . OpenVMS alpha 7.3-2 tcpip 5.4 with SSH enabled ssh config files:" ## ssh2_config$ ## SSH 2.0 Client Configuration File ##  @ ## The "*" is used for all hosts, but you can use other hosts as ## well. *:   ## HP Tru64 UNIX specificy# # Secure the r* utilities (no, yes) * #       EnforceSecureRutils             no  
 ## General  #  VerboseMode                    yes'+ #       QuietMode                       yesM* #       DontReadStdin                   no+ #       BatchMode                       yes$+ #       Compression                     yes,+ #       ForcePTTYAllocation             yesm+ #       GoBackground                    yes ) #       EscapeChar                      ~ < #       PasswordPrompt                  "%U@%H's password: "9         PasswordPrompt                  "%U's password: ")+         AuthenticationSuccessMsg        yes"    
 ## Network  "  Port                           22*  NoDelay                                no#  KeepAlive                      yesT' #       SocksServer                    n@ socks://mylogin@socks.ssh.com:1080/203.123.0.0/16,198.74.23.0/24    	 ## Crypto   4  Ciphers                                AnyStdCipher&  MACs                           AnyMAC#  StrictHostKeyChecking           nob, #       RekeyIntervalSeconds            3600    ! ## User public key authenticatione  .  IdentityFile                   identification-  AuthorizationFile              authorization +  RandomSeedFile                 random_seed      ## Tunneling  + #       GatewayPorts                    yesc8         ForwardX11                      yes   <<<<<<<<< + #       ForwardAgent                    yesu    ) # Tunnels that are set up upon logging ina  > #       LocalForward                    "110:pop3.ssh.com:110"8 #       RemoteForward                   "3000:foobar:22"     ## SSH1 Compatibilitys  &    Ssh1Compatibility               yes,    Ssh1AgentCompatibility               none3 #       Ssh1AgentCompatibility          traditional , #       Ssh1AgentCompatibility          ssh2; #       Ssh1Path                        /usr/local/bin/ssh1E   ## Authentications' ## Hostbased is not enabled by default.s  F         AllowedAuthentications          hostbased, publickey, password    D # For ssh-signer2 (only effective if set in the global configuration& # file, usually /etc/ssh2/ssh2_config)  7 #       DefaultDomain                   ucx.lkg.dec.com '         SshSignerPath                  o! /sys$system/tcpip$ssh_ssh-signer2"    & ## Examples of per host configurations   #alpha*:4 #       Host                            alpha.oof.fi, #       User                            user? #       PasswordPrompt                  "%U:s password at %H: "e, #       Ciphers                         idea   #foobar:/ #       Host                            foo.bara0 #       User                            foo_user       ## sshd2_config $ ## SSH 2.4 Server Configuration File ##  
 ## General  #  VerboseMode                    yesi+ #       QuietMode                       yesg2         AllowCshrcSourcingWithSubsystems        no*         ForcePTTYAllocation             no,         SyslogFacility                  AUTH. #       SyslogFacility                  LOCAL7  
 ## Network  "  Port                           22'  ListenAddress                  0.0.0.0i"  RequireReverseMapping          no!  MaxBroadcastsPerSecond         0e) #       MaxBroadcastsPerSecond          1 + #       NoDelay                         yes + #       KeepAlive                       yesa* #       MaxConnections                  50) #       MaxConnections                  0-( # 0 == number of connections not limited    	 ## Crypto   1  Ciphers                                AnyCipher . #       Ciphers                         AnyStd4 #       Ciphers                         AnyStdCipher, #       Ciphers                         3des.         MACs                            AnyMAC. #       MACs                            AnyStd1 #       MACs                            AnyStdMACt, #       RekeyIntervalSeconds            3600     ## User.  #  PrintMotd                      yesn#  CheckMail                      yesA(  UserConfigDirectory            "%Dssh2"; #       UserConfigDirectory             "/etc/ssh2/auth/%U" +         UserKnownHosts                  yes.+ #       LoginGraceTime                  600m* #       PermitEmptyPasswords            no+ #       StrictModes                     yes   ! ## User public key authentication   '  HostKeyFile                    hostkey +  PublicHostKeyFile              hostkey.pubE+  RandomSeedFile                 random_seed6.  IdentityFile                   identification-  AuthorizationFile              authorizationc#  AllowAgentForwarding           yes.     ## Tunneling  #  AllowX11Forwarding             yesi#  AllowTcpForwarding             yeshD #       AllowTcpForwardingForUsers      sjl, cowboyneal@slashdot.org? #       DenyTcpForwardingForUsers       "2[:isdigit:]*4, peelo"tA #       AllowTcpForwardingForGroups     priviliged_tcp_forwardersl; #       DenyTcpForwardingForGroups      coming_from_outsidee     ## Authenticatione0 ## Hostbased and PAM are not enabled by default.  D #       BannerMessageFile               /etc/ssh2/ssh_banner_message6 #       BannerMessageFile               /etc/issue.net)         PasswordGuesses                 3u1 #       AllowedAuthentications          publickey ? #       AllowedAuthentications          publickey,pam-1@ssh.comID #       AllowedAuthentications          hostbased,publickey,password0         AllowedAuthentications          password: #       RequiredAuthentications         publickey,password6 #       SshPAMClientPath                ssh-pam-client   ## Host restrictions  4         AllowHosts                      localhost, *9 #       DenyHosts                       evil.org, aol.comr8 #       AllowSHosts                     trusted.host.org= #       DenySHosts                      not.quite.trusted.orgd* #       IgnoreRhosts                    no* #       IgnoreRootRHosts                noD # (the above, if not set, is defaulted to the value of IgnoreRHosts)     ## User restrictions  ' #       AllowUsers                     e "sj*,s[:isdigit:]##,s(jl|amza)"h? #       DenyUsers                       skuuppa,warezdude,31373r9 #       DenyUsers                       don@untrusted.orgr3 #       AllowGroups                     staff,userst- #       DenyGroups                      guesto- #       PermitRootLogin                 nopwd +         PermitRootLogin                 yes    ## SSH1 compatibilityt   #       Ssh1Compatibility  #       Sshd1Path-     ## Chrooted environment    # ChRootUsers   ftp, guest # ChRootGroups  guest1     ## subsystem definitions  '         subsystem-sftp                 e" /sys$system/tcpip$ssh_sftp-server2     on the client side:w   putty   $ on the window connection ssh tunnels   enable x11 forwarding : Yes> xdisplay location : localhost:0o port forwarding:4 local ports accept connections from other hosts: yes* remote ports do the same ssh v2 only : yes forwarded ports:E L5521 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:1521 where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the ip address ofo the ssh server    $ on the pc side i have  x-win 32 5.0    1) i start x-win 32 5.0s 2) login with sshy 3) on the ssh terminal :  8 $set display/create/node=yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy/transport=tcpip1 where yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy is the ip address of the PC  4) $mc decw$startlogin- then the decw login windows appears on my pc.t   hope this helps.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 08:49:54 +0100 ( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>( Subject: Re: Support of USB Memory stick3 Message-ID: <001d01c40b2b$44f654b0$994614ac@wat153>d   Hello,   Fred Kleinsorge wrotes:t  @ >> So.  What happens is we support the devices that we *have* to support.  E The problem is that the competitor do support. There is a support for C ZIP diskettes (USB, SCSI) under Solaris, which I do not found under9G OPenVMS. Also there is a support of FAT16, FAT32 and NTFS. I could readmG and write to disk greater then 512MB in Windows format. The competitors F do laugh, if they here what I can't do. I think that Memory Stick willG become another hindicap for OpenVMS. Years ago, they did say, that they G would like to disdribute OpenVMS via DVD. But till today I don't have a1H OpenVMS support for that. Yes I know, there is any Freeware. But this isG not a SIP. So the question is, how is it possible, that OpenVMS will be?E an attractive OS not only for OpenVMS fans in the future. It would be C attractive and sold if you support the so called industry standard.n   Best regards Rudolf Wingerts   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 01:17:35 -0500R0 From: Chip Coldwell <coldwell@frank.harvard.edu> Subject: sysman io disconnect?H Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0403160113420.12148-100000@frank.harvard.edu>  D I'm trying to write a device driver.  Usually, not long after I loadE it with sysman io connect, I discover a bug.  Usually the bug results B in a system crash, but when it doesn't, I would like to be able toD unload the driver without rebooting the computer.  Is it possible toD do this?  There doesn't seem to be a "sysman io disconnect" command,! but maybe there's something else?    Chip   -- f Charles  M. "Chip" Coldwelle "Turn on, log in, tune out"n   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2004 06:36:08 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)" Subject: Re: sysman io disconnect?3 Message-ID: <keSUtGqV4oV$@eisner.encompasserve.org>y  { In article <Pine.LNX.4.44.0403160113420.12148-100000@frank.harvard.edu>, Chip Coldwell <coldwell@frank.harvard.edu> writes:a > F > I'm trying to write a device driver.  Usually, not long after I loadG > it with sysman io connect, I discover a bug.  Usually the bug resultsnD > in a system crash, but when it doesn't, I would like to be able toF > unload the driver without rebooting the computer.  Is it possible toF > do this?  There doesn't seem to be a "sysman io disconnect" command,# > but maybe there's something else?e >    Alpha ?   I No such functionality exists. When I inquired about it a year or two ago,nG I was told that driver unload capabilities may be added to a future VMSn version.   Simon.   -- sB Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       P SCO: Proudly pushing Microsoft down to #2 on the list of most disliked companies   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:56:08 GMTn/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks)c" Subject: Re: sysman io disconnect?- Message-ID: <brIQHmnAPkhD@cuebid.zko.dec.com>   D clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes:3 >Chip Coldwell <coldwell@frank.harvard.edu> writes:  >>  G >> I'm trying to write a device driver.  Usually, not long after I load.H >> it with sysman io connect, I discover a bug.  Usually the bug resultsE >> in a system crash, but when it doesn't, I would like to be able to'G >> unload the driver without rebooting the computer.  Is it possible toeG >> do this?  There doesn't seem to be a "sysman io disconnect" command,t$ >> but maybe there's something else? > 	 > Alpha ? K > No such functionality exists. When I inquired about it a year or two ago,PI > I was told that driver unload capabilities may be added to a future VMSc
 > version.  B Not any time soon -- certainly not in the release that is expected  at the end of the calendar year.   -- a  M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.comf   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2004 08:02:01 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)n" Subject: Re: sysman io disconnect?3 Message-ID: <6nCOsv+iPUKO@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  { In article <Pine.LNX.4.44.0403160113420.12148-100000@frank.harvard.edu>, Chip Coldwell <coldwell@frank.harvard.edu> writes:  > F > I'm trying to write a device driver.  Usually, not long after I loadG > it with sysman io connect, I discover a bug.  Usually the bug results'D > in a system crash, but when it doesn't, I would like to be able toF > unload the driver without rebooting the computer.  Is it possible toF > do this?  There doesn't seem to be a "sysman io disconnect" command,# > but maybe there's something else?a  B    There was a RELOAD on VAX that would load a newer version of anE    already loaded driver.  It wasn't all that easy sometimes to writet(    a relaodable driver, but it did work.  $    There's no such feature on Alpha.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 00:32:47 GMTr# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>a0 Subject: Re: TN3270 - Why it still synchronous ?F Message-ID: <PWr5c.3325$TxJ.2547@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:40561299.9D4F817C@istop.com...C > Fabio Cardoso wrote:J > > Do you know why IBM mantain the synchronous terminal emulation instead > > of assynchrounous like VT ?h >cI > The 3270 terminal protocol is a block mode protocol. At the time, 3270sy wereF > considered "smart" while VTY were really dumb , simply because 3270s ofloadedK > processing from the mainframe by running "locally" until a user pressed ar PF key.i >eH > In fact, HTTP protocol is close in concept to the 3270, and especially CICSK > applications on 3270 terminals (where, while user types in data, there ist no( > application attached to that terminal) >nL > The 3270 is a purely transactional system. Now, IBM has been able over theG > years to add some additional smarts to the terminal controllers whiche allowedoK > for some basic text input (I think that they managed to add word wrapping  when4 > input to a single field extended more than 1 line) >4J > From a telecom point of view, the 3270 approach is much lighter since itI > reduces the number of "packets" that need to be sent.  When you pressed  enter,C > the terminal could send only modified fields to the mainframe forn	 instance,SJ > and then the mainframe could send back inforemation to update the fields% > without redrawing the whole screen.n > I > If IBM mainframes had been forced to support all terminals in character  mode> > (like VMS does), their performance would have been pitifull.  K There were some Vt2xx environments in the old x.25 days where the PAD wouldaI accept data from the Vt2xx terminal and then proceed to send the data via L x.25 in what amounted to 'block mode' - only changed fields were sent. A PADH at the other end 'restored'  the data stream to look like it came from aL real VT2xx. Kept comms costs low when x.25 was expensive (per packet or kilo packet charges).   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 07:57:11 -0800l* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>0 Subject: Re: TN3270 - Why it still synchronous ?2 Message-ID: <Z8GdnQKDI_hKvsrdRVn-tA@mpowercom.net>  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messagee# news:40561299.9D4F817C@istop.com...p >gI > If IBM mainframes had been forced to support all terminals in character  mode> > (like VMS does), their performance would have been pitifull. > D I once worked for a company that tried to implement the same sort ofL transaction processing on a DEC system.  Using HP block mode async terminalsK (IIRC HP 2640 series) a program would draw the form, the user would fill iteJ out locally, and transmit all the fields back at once.  Theoretically thisD offloaded the processor (PDP-11 and RSX) so that more users could be supported at once.  C The programs worked just fine, but the theory did not.  On an asynciI interface each byte sent from the terminal generated an interrupt.  SincepL this was at typing speed the number of incoming interrupts was quite low.  AG block transmission generated a burst of interrupts at 100 to 1000 timeskK normal rate, overwhelming the serial interrupt handler.  The net effect was L that only a handful of users could work if the terminals were in block mode.G DEC's first attempt to handle this was an intelligent serial board withoJ limited success, but DEC eventually solved this problem by coming out with* ethernet terminal servers (the DECServer).    Jack Peacockt   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:44:29 GMTM# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>p  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?L Message-ID: <12H5c.19291$uUx1.13934@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  5 "Brian Tillman" <Tillmabg@yahoo.com> wrote in messagee! news:012DF931.C22236@yahoo.com...p0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageH >  news:<AGo4c.18510$iDG1.13569@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...> > > "PhilThayer" <phillip_thayer@hotmail.com> wrote in message; > > news:5ee1d1b7.0403121137.62dcc072@posting.google.com...a> > >> mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon) wrote in message> > >  news:<7500353b.0403120718.3f5fa282@posting.google.com>... > >>E > >> The next time you fly in the US and you don't crash into anotherV > >> plane, you can thank VMS.
 > .snip... > >kI > >  JSTARS uses VMS. I guess they're being used to track all those pesky-G > > Canadians in those towns in Quebec that straddle the Quebec-VermonteF > > and Quebec-Maine border. You know the ones...where the border goesE > > right through the middle of the town library reading room, or the:B > > gas station is on the Canadian side of the border but the onlyE > > entrance to it is on the US side of the border and the nearest US_9 > > customs station is 60 miles away as the road travels." >-H > Many of the Boeing aircraft in service right now contains hardware andL > software from Smiths Aerospace, the latter of which was developed with DECI > Ada on VMS systems, the Flight Management System in particular.  Airbus.K > planes fly our stuff as well, developed on the same VMS systems.  We also>H > have a problem report database for the Airbus equipment hosted on VMS. Ourr, > airborne circuit cards are tested via VMS.    , Which ADA are you going to use on IA64/VMS??   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:37:23 -0500t* From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillmabg@yahoo.com>  Subject: RE: Toys R Us and VMS ?' Message-ID: <012DF931.C22236@yahoo.com>e  /  "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messagegF  news:<AGo4c.18510$iDG1.13569@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...< > "PhilThayer" <phillip_thayer@hotmail.com> wrote in message9 > news:5ee1d1b7.0403121137.62dcc072@posting.google.com.../< >> mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon) wrote in message< >  news:<7500353b.0403120718.3f5fa282@posting.google.com>... >> gC >> The next time you fly in the US and you don't crash into another  >> plane, you can thank VMS.   .snip... > G >  JSTARS uses VMS. I guess they're being used to track all those peskyhE > Canadians in those towns in Quebec that straddle the Quebec-VermontoD > and Quebec-Maine border. You know the ones...where the border goesC > right through the middle of the town library reading room, or the,@ > gas station is on the Canadian side of the border but the onlyC > entrance to it is on the US side of the border and the nearest USa8 > customs station is 60 miles away as the road travels.   F Many of the Boeing aircraft in service right now contains hardware andJ software from Smiths Aerospace, the latter of which was developed with DECG Ada on VMS systems, the Flight Management System in particular.  AirbusnI planes fly our stuff as well, developed on the same VMS systems.  We alsodK have a problem report database for the Airbus equipment hosted on VMS.  Ourn* airborne circuit cards are tested via VMS. --   Brian Tillman          Smiths Aerospace 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 > Brian.Tillman is the name, smiths-aerospace.com is the domain.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:54:32 -0500l( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>4 Subject: Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help., Message-ID: <40563428.7050504@tsoft-inc.com>   Harry wrote:  E >>I suspect that the format you want is an encoded form of the data. c >>5 >>It could not be BASE64 because the later only uses: B >>ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789+/ >>; >>If it were UUENCODE, you'd have a "begin 666" at the top.  >> >>H >>If you are Using FTP, there are FTP servers/clients that automaticallyL >>gunzuip/gzip files if there is a .gz in the rmote or local file extension.L >>However, the contents would be "binary" and not printable characters only. >> >>N >>Perhaps if you explained why you need the "gibberish" format on VMS, insteadP >>of the readable text file, we could speculate more on what format/features the7 >>"gibberish" format is and how it was obtained before.i >> > B > The application on the VMS-system needs the file to send it to a1 > barcode printer. It 's a macro for a printfile.> >  > Harry. >   ; As said many times, terse questions get terse answers.  :-)P  P Now you've supplied some more pertinant information, but to me the big question M is whether the data is in the desired format prior to being moved to the VMS   system, or after being moved?b  O When asking a question as you have, a short description of the entire purpose, nF including what's intended, will allow others to answer your question. " Speculation usually isn't helpful.  Q You mention that the data is a text file.  Note that a Word document may seem to dN be 'text' to the user, but the stored file is anything but.  This is true for  many types of data.    Dave   -- '4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roadc Vanderbilt, PA  15486e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 07:59:13 +0100p9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>s4 Subject: Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help.' Message-ID: <4056A5C1.C9862D8C@aaa.com>o   David Froble wrote:e >  > Harry wrote: > D > > The application on the VMS-system needs the file to send it to a3 > > barcode printer. It 's a macro for a printfile.p > >w
 > > Harry. > >  > = > As said many times, terse questions get terse answers.  :-)  > Q > Now you've supplied some more pertinant information, but to me the big questiondN > is whether the data is in the desired format prior to being moved to the VMS > system, or after being moved?-  A Doesn matter in this case since both the basic data files and the A ZPL file is ASCII files. So the FTP will be in ASCII mode anyway.?> The problem Harry have, is that they doesn't know how the file6 got converted (merged) into a Zebra/ZPL file at all...  R > You mention that the data is a text file.  Note that a Word document may seem toO > be 'text' to the user, but the stored file is anything but.  This is true fore > many types of data.e  5 True in general, but Zebra/ZPL files are plain ASCII.h  	 Jan-Erik.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 09:48:41 +0100e9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>t4 Subject: Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help.' Message-ID: <4056BF69.471F2847@aaa.com>3   Harry wrote: > < > We telephoned an old-college and he said that the file was> > saves as an txt file as in the example, but now i doubt this   Why do you ?8 I think (based on what we know so far) that he is right.9 And why don't you just ask your "old-college" to come andn
 fix this ?  " > The tekst file is indeed a form,  = Which, I think, is nothing but a special formatted text file.u1 It's seen as a "form" by the printer, probably...w  & > There are several files of this kind9 > The vms does add a date and a serial number to the fileb  7 OK, so the "merge" is done on VMS, fine. Are you sure ?w2 It might also be done in the Zebra printer itself.  C > >> Is there maybe a way that we can save the file in "ZPL" code ?o > > > > >When you say "save the file in "ZPL" code", you are talkingA > >about the merged file, with both form and actual "data" in it.3 > G > I think the file on the vms that i can see (the ZPL-file) is the samewG > as the txt-file (so both without the date and serial number that willn > be added.X  A Depends on how this is handled. The "form" could have the vaiable D data added *before* beeing sent to the printer. But the "form" couldF also contain ZPL macros, that is sent and stored in the printer first.F The data that is sent later have some codes that "enables" this macros and only add the variable data.   5 I'd think that we have the latter case here, actualy.&   > 
 > >Right ? > > > > >Now, you have to find out how this was done. Was it done on: > >the PC ? With the same tool ? Or was you actuly running( > >something on VMS to merge the files ? > D > But maybe the old college was wrong and the zpl file was already aA > output file from the software (Easy label). I can't try it now,  > because i'm at home.  5 He was probely "right", when not misunderstod :-) :-)e> Note that the "ZPL" file is to everyone but the Zebra printer, just a "text file"...u  ; The output file from Easy Label is probably a ZPL file that@9 contains printer macros (or "forms"). That file has to bem6 moved to VMS to be printed and stored in the printers.  @ Then, later on, some "data" is created (don't have to be createdA with Easy Laber, of course, could be created with any application < such as something running on VMS itself), and printed to the; Zebra printer where the data and the macro/form are merged.-  4 Anyway, it's still not clear how your process works,  4 - Is Easy Label only used to make the macros/forms ?+ - Is Easy Laber also used to enter "data" ?o. - If not, where comes the variable data from ?3 - Is the form/macros pre-loaded into the printers ? > - Or is the data and forms merged before sent to the printer ?  = When we have a clear picture of the process, it's much easier1 to tell what is your problem.m  ? Anwyay, didn't your former guy left som documentation over thisr	 process ?P  	 Jan-Erik.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 04:44:37 -0500a* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>4 Subject: Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help.( Message-ID: <4056CC53.CA72F4B@istop.com>   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:nA > Anwyay, didn't your former guy left som documentation over thisi > process ?t  L Why should he leave documentation ? Sometimes total lack of documentation isO seen as jobn security since the employer would be stuck without you :-) :-) :-)i  H However, this exercise does how how important documentation is to ensureL smooth continuty of the corporation. Employees are replacable. Documentation is not.r  L If the documentation on the VAX is non-existent, perhaps you should focus on the wintel side documentation. o  K If the wintel box generate only text files that contain "data", then yo arehJ pretty sure that there is some processing of that data on the VMS box wich: transforms the data and generates printer specific output.  M Even if the wintel box generates text which actually appears on the outputtedrK paper, there needs to be some software somewhere which will parse that textgI file to extract the relevant numbers and then append the printer codes toh3 print the bar codes at the right location on paper.w   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Mar 2004 23:41:03 GMT. From: jealousxmp@aol.commonplace (jealous xmp)" Subject: Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO: Message-ID: <20040315184103.22662.00001586@mb-m10.aol.com>  E >  If "ISO" is used as is common in the recent computing vernacular,  B >  a disk image, then yes.  Various folks started generalizing theA >  .ISO extension and it has become largely -- and confusingly tou8 >  some of us -- a synonym for a block-copy of an input.  O Yeah it is confusing.  Even some developers are using the term ISO for an imageeO other than ISO 9660.  I prefer the term image, whether it's a floppy or BeFS orw	 whatever.t   Michaeld   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 09:25:13 GMTm0 From: glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>" Subject: Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO- Message-ID: <ZJz5c.24091$KO3.66806@attbi_s02>o   jealous xmp wrote:  E >> If "ISO" is used as is common in the recent computing vernacular, TB >> a disk image, then yes.  Various folks started generalizing theA >> .ISO extension and it has become largely -- and confusingly to08 >> some of us -- a synonym for a block-copy of an input.  Q > Yeah it is confusing.  Even some developers are using the term ISO for an image0Q > other than ISO 9660.  I prefer the term image, whether it's a floppy or BeFS or  > whatever.h  B It is especially confusing as some software that will write an ISOB image to CD won't write other image formats.   If all one wants is6 a block copy of an image, one should be able to do it.   -- glent   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 19:05:03 +0100u, From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>" Subject: Re: VAX OpenVMS CDROM ISO: Message-ID: <c37fkd$24m5im$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>  ? "glen herrmannsfeldt" <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> schreef in berichts' news:ZJz5c.24091$KO3.66806@attbi_s02...r > jealous xmp wrote: >rF > >> If "ISO" is used as is common in the recent computing vernacular,D > >> a disk image, then yes.  Various folks started generalizing theC > >> .ISO extension and it has become largely -- and confusingly to : > >> some of us -- a synonym for a block-copy of an input. >sJ > > Yeah it is confusing.  Even some developers are using the term ISO for an imageK > > other than ISO 9660.  I prefer the term image, whether it's a floppy or. BeFS or-
 > > whatever.- >-D > It is especially confusing as some software that will write an ISOD > image to CD won't write other image formats.   If all one wants is8 > a block copy of an image, one should be able to do it. >.	 > -- glent >VH What the original poster needed was a .DSK file and that is what he got.  @ Hoff's reply worries me, however. He stated that the material isH copyrighted, while I assumed that the VMS kit may be distributed freely,I provided that the user has a proper license. The original poster assertedfI that he had the appropriate licenses so that should be sufficient, right?    Hans   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.149 ************************