1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 17 Mar 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 150       Contents: Re: Anyone out there? + Contract VMS programming position available / RE: Contract VMS programming position available / Re: Contract VMS programming position available * Re: Converting PCL5e dev ctl libs to PCL5c0 creating 16-bit unicode filename in OpenVMS7.3-2# Re: Document warehouse for/on VMS?? # Re: Document warehouse for/on VMS?? # RE: Document warehouse for/on VMS?? # Re: Document warehouse for/on VMS??  RE: EUNICE availability  Re: EUNICE availability  RE: EUNICE availability  Re: FutureVAX vs CHARON-VAX  Re: FutureVAX vs CHARON-VAX  Re: FutureVAX vs CHARON-VAX  Re: FutureVAX vs CHARON-VAX  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes / Help - Pathworks & Windows 2000 Advanced Server 3 Re: Help - Pathworks & Windows 2000 Advanced Server P Help - Pathworks & Windows 2000 Advanced Server, microsoft.public.win2000.advanc Re: How to get username 9 Re: HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour 9 Re: HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour 9 Re: HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour " RE: HP's emails blocked by spamcop# Re: Keyboard and the NewVMS desktop  License Pak move to Itanium  Re: License Pak move to Itanium  Re: License Pak move to Itanium < Official Announcement - OpenVMS Advanced Technical Boot Camp@ Re: Official Announcement - OpenVMS Advanced Technical Boot Camp@ Re: Official Announcement - OpenVMS Advanced Technical Boot Camp@ Re: Official Announcement - OpenVMS Advanced Technical Boot Camp6 Re: OpenVMS C/C++ compilers on ALpha and I64 Questions Re: Oracle exp on VMS  Re: SMTP Welcome message& Re: SSH, X11 forwarding and TCPIP V5.4' Re: TN3270 - Why it still synchronous ? ' Re: TN3270 - Why it still synchronous ? ' Re: TN3270 - Why it still synchronous ? ' Re: TN3270 - Why it still synchronous ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  RE: Toys R Us and VMS ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:11:05 -0600 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) Subject: Re: Anyone out there?1 Message-ID: <04031615110535@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>    Brian Tillman wrote:G > > Testing this bloody thing.  Not getting e-mail from IV for a couple  > > of days... too quite...  > L > Same here, then all of a sudden overnight, three days of messages arrived. > --     Me too - sorry I asked!!!      J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 01:33:06 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 4 Subject: Contract VMS programming position availableG Message-ID: <mVN5c.21859$TxJ.9775@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   J This was sent to me by a headhunter today. I have no further details other8 than what is here. Contact vit-cutthis@cutthis-procom.ca    H This position would be of interest to those within commuting distance of Toronto/Hamilton, Ontario.     Position: Programmer1 NOTE: ONLY suitable candidates will be contacted.   	 Required:  Mandatory Skills *Advanced Vax - VMS DCL  *Advanced Vax - Fortran - RMS B *Working knowledge of Quiz/QTP in a Powerhouse/Vax VMS environment  
 Scope of Work I *Design, programming, testing and commissioning of application code for a  Planning and Scheduling System  # Location: Hamilton, Ontario  Canada > Duration: 3 months to start with a possibility of an extension Rate/Salary:Negotiable.  Start Date: ASAP   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:21:41 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 8 Subject: RE: Contract VMS programming position available9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIOEGECPAA.tom@kednos.com>   C Not wishing to sound like a broken record  but here we are 12 years @ after Alpha was launched and customers are still looking for VAXB support.  Is there something management overlooked.  Fast forward,D now let's abandon alpha.  The first action was a reckless adventure,F which I can't grasp that anybody could possibly believe would increaseA the customer base.  Can you imagine IBM engaging in such a stupid ? endeavour?  You can run object modules compiled 30 years ago on A current architecure.  AS400 even still supports the old System 3. D So you have to ask yourself why was VAX abandoned?  We have had thisA thread running recently, and many believe that it was because VAX B architecure couldn't compete, which demonstrably was pure hogwash.@ Then we had to port to Alpha, a fast but rather misplaced designF now to be abandoned in favour of Itanium with a most uncertain future.  F I don't understand that it is so difficult to fathom that the Jewel inC the Crown is VMS, and the delivery vehicle is but a replacable van.   A The most successful computer comapny doesn't even build hardware.   D Is it possible for HP to have an epiphany and to deploy their assetsE in such a way as to benefit the shareholders, or to continue on these H reckless adventures that have failed in the past and appear to implodingD currently?  Port VMS to Opteron, Power PC, do something real.  Build	 microcode G to support the VAX architecture.  It will please your customers and you   will generate a handsome return.         -----Original Message-----*   From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]'   Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 5:33 PM    To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 6   Subject: Contract VMS programming position available    L   This was sent to me by a headhunter today. I have no further details other:   than what is here. Contact vit-cutthis@cutthis-procom.ca    J   This position would be of interest to those within commuting distance of   Toronto/Hamilton, Ontario.       Position: Programmer3   NOTE: ONLY suitable candidates will be contacted.      Required:    Mandatory Skills   *Advanced Vax - VMS DCL    *Advanced Vax - Fortran - RMS D   *Working knowledge of Quiz/QTP in a Powerhouse/Vax VMS environment     Scope of Work K   *Design, programming, testing and commissioning of application code for a     Planning and Scheduling System  %   Location: Hamilton, Ontario  Canada @   Duration: 3 months to start with a possibility of an extension   Rate/Salary:Negotiable.    Start Date: ASAP       --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B   Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004   --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 20:51:52 -0600 " From: bugs@pu.net (Mark Hittinger)8 Subject: Re: Contract VMS programming position available0 Message-ID: <4NSdnVMceJLVIMrdRVn_vQ@comcast.com>  % "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: F >                        Can you imagine IBM engaging in such a stupid@ >endeavour?  You can run object modules compiled 30 years ago onB >current architecure.  AS400 even still supports the old System 3.  & Got IBM 8100?  Got OS/2?  Got "RT-PC"?  H IBM has done this also - they aren't the best counter example to use :-)   Later    Mark Hittinger bugs@pu.net    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2004 13:56:33 -0800% From: whohe@whoever.com (DL Phillips) 3 Subject: Re: Converting PCL5e dev ctl libs to PCL5c = Message-ID: <af0dc2ea.0403161356.6f4c8540@posting.google.com>   _ tim267@msn.com (Tim) wrote in message news:<327155b6.0403160526.78840e92@posting.google.com>... E > I appreciate the pointer to documentation. <ESC> tables I have. The  > question remains:  > " > <esc>&l1o5.45C<esc>&k2S<esc>(8U  >  > I understand that: >  > &l1o = landscape > &k2S = compress 
 > (8U = pitch  > 1 > There are a few characters I do not understand.  >  > 5.45c = ?????  >  > F > They are also not documented in <esc>tables I have. I have PDF files8 > for CANON and several HP tables found on the internet.  = From the HP PCL5 Printer Language Technical Reference Manual:   1   <esc>&l#C is the Vertical Motion Index Command.   E    # = number of 1/48 inch increments between rows. Default of 8 is 6  lines per inch.    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2004 21:49:25 -0800- From: rajarao1106@yahoo.com (Raja Rao Sindhe) 9 Subject: creating 16-bit unicode filename in OpenVMS7.3-2 = Message-ID: <de8f9c73.0403162149.5943cdb9@posting.google.com>    Hi,   F I am new to OpenVMS, I desperatly need help in creating 16-bit unicode filename in OpenVMS7.3-2   Waiting for reply    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:57:04 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> , Subject: Re: Document warehouse for/on VMS??L Message-ID: <46I5c.20534$uUx1.17106@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  @ "Robert A.M. van Lopik" <lopik@mail.telepac.pt> wrote in message4 news:c374co$1smbq1$1@ID-191217.news.uni-berlin.de... > 0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageH > news:ERD5c.16543$uUx1.10830@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > > ; > > "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message % > > news:c36bk8$1rt$1@lore.csc.com...  > > > John Smith wrote:  > > > > 5 > > > > Thinking about a possible upcoming project...  > > > > J > > > > -approximately 100 million documents (.pdf  / .pps / .doc / .tif / xml  > > /andI > > > > some other formats) need to be stored, indexed, and available for  > > display ! > > > > via a web browser/plug-in  > > > K > > > > b) Store the 'objects' as blobs in a rdbms along with various other I > > > > attributes and indicies to specific sections of interest. The the  app 	 > > would G > > > > have to copy the doc to the file system when the user wanted to 	 > access. I > > > > Maybe a little harder to implement, but better for maintaining db  > > integrity. > > > J > > > > Any thoughts on how to handle an app/requirement like this on VMS? > > > L > > > There is a product formerly known as PCMS, or PVCS, but in any case itL > > > comes from a company, or should I say is now owned by a company called
 > > > Merant.  > > > K > > > It is a multiple platform CMS effectively (or this is how I currently F > > > see it being used) and it's a database between items, and formerI > > > versions of the items, as well as a repository which keeps items on D > > > respective platforms. It uses Oracle as the database, but in a multipleJ > > > platform environment you have one instance of the database, then theK > > > remainder of the platforms as 'clients', and the users have GUI tools  orG > > > command line options to pull and push items from/to the database.  > > > I > > > Web integration would need a CGI which executes the "pull" from the  > > > database.  > > > K > > > Of course, what I'm suggesting may be overkill because it is designed  to1 > > > do more than you are (I think) looking for.  > > >  > > > http://www.merant.com/ > > > L > > > Now the question of VMS support. They have a VMS client, and of course1 > > > you could run the database on a VMS system.  > > > I > > > Looking at their web site, it's one of those wonders that tells you G > > > absolutely nothing. A previous incarnation did used to give you a H > > > platform list. Also, it's not obvious how the "dimensions" product would L > > > fit into how I think it may work for you. For the "current" version 8,E > > > OpenVMS is not a listed operating system. However they do still  support J > > > VMS capable versions (version 4 at least). It would be for Merant to say I > > > if they were able or wanted to produce a V8 for VMS. They certainly  haveL > > > VMS customers in their current client list, though of course this does? > > > not imply that is one of the platforms it is employed on.  > >  > > K > > I've used PVCS before. Not a bad product. Hadn't thought of using it as  a L > > 'document management system' even though that's exactly what it is (with a  > > bit of a twist). > > H > > I'm not so interested in extracting the difference between documents thatK > > are seemingly the same, ie. codefragment.c;129 and codefragment.c;130 , , > > although that's not a bad thing to have. > > K > > I'm more interested in categorizing all the documents by source, topic, D > > date, and cross-references - In essence using metadata about the	 document. K > > With meta data, the Google search appliance can easily categorize (with 3 > > certain customizations on a front-end process).  > > E > > Still walking my way through the real requirements - research and  commentsG > > here have shown valuable possibilities we hadn't considered. Thanks  again. > > J > You may want to have a look at an open source project that is being done: > jointly between MIT and HP: http://dspace.org/index.html > I > DSpace at present runs on Unixes and uses Postgresql as the database. I  haveD > looked into it (a bit) and it doesn't seem to difficult to make it databaseK > independent; it just hasn't been done yet, or maybe somebody else already  isH > busy. The rest is Java stuff that should run on VMS as well. Maybe you could J > even get HP interested in having it on VMS. I would certainly be willing to" > talk to some HP people about it. > F > As to storing the documents in files in a directory structure: AFAIK DSpaceF > stores the files outside the database, but not in any structure; theL > structure is imposed by the indexing model in the database. The files just > have a unique file name.    G Interesting. Any idea how well this scales to thousands of simultaneous  users?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:36:46 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>, Subject: Re: Document warehouse for/on VMS??( Message-ID: <4057655D.DE87DFD@istop.com>  % re: database of 100 million documents   M Are those documents totally randomly accessed (for instance, satellite images E covering the earth) ? Or would, for instance, a single customer have, 0 associated with it, a fair number of documents ?  Q I think you also need to define how the data will be added, removed and accessed.   M Lets say the database contained scanned images of cleared cheques (instead of L being microfilmed). You would never want to modify a record once it has beenH entered, but you will be adding lots of records each night. Would you beL continually deleting records past a certain age each day, or would you run a$ weekly/monthly/yearly job to do so ?  L How often will searches be done ? Transactions per second ? Per minute ? Per hour ? A few dozen per day ?  M Another thing to consider: if you use the file system to store documents, 100 H million documents taking on average one more block of allocation (due toD cluster size) than needed would consume an extra 100 million blocks.  G On the other hand, if your index somehow gets corrupt, you can probably K rebuild the index and your documents are still safe. If you store the whole L kit and kaboodle into one giant database, you then have mega headache if theL database is corrupt. You also have some issues with backup, which you do notD have when you are file based because VMS backup works fine on those.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:29:57 -0500 * From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillmabg@yahoo.com>, Subject: RE: Document warehouse for/on VMS??' Message-ID: <012E0F6B.C22236@yahoo.com>   & Nic Clews [mailto:sendspamhere@ wrote:  > > Of course, what I'm suggesting may be overkill because it is
 > designed to - > do more than you are (I think) looking for.  >  > http://www.merant.com/ > H > Now the question of VMS support. They have a VMS client, and of course- > you could run the database on a VMS system.  > E > Looking at their web site, it's one of those wonders that tells you C > absolutely nothing. A previous incarnation did used to give you a < > platform list. Also, it's not obvious how the "dimensions" > product would H > fit into how I think it may work for you. For the "current" version 8,; > OpenVMS is not a listed operating system. However they do  > still support < > VMS capable versions (version 4 at least). It would be for > Merant to say ; > if they were able or wanted to produce a V8 for VMS. They  > certainly haveH > VMS customers in their current client list, though of course this does; > not imply that is one of the platforms it is employed on.   L Recently, many of our commercial projects pulled their sources out of CMS onK our VMS systems and converted it to Dimensions on PCs and Solaris.  They do E not have any current version targeted at VMS.  Those project managers J wouldn't entertain the idea of keeping sources on VMS, even though CMS hadK served them flawlessly for years.  Some thing about "standardizing on fewer  platforms."  --  
 Brian Tillman    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 01:45:05 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> , Subject: Re: Document warehouse for/on VMS??H Message-ID: <B4O5c.21986$TxJ.11548@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message " news:4057655D.DE87DFD@istop.com...' > re: database of 100 million documents  > H > Are those documents totally randomly accessed (for instance, satellite imagesG > covering the earth) ? Or would, for instance, a single customer have, 2 > associated with it, a fair number of documents ?  F Mostly random access though we will want to pre-build 'categories' forI related documents (that may simply pump a set of parameters into a search  engine).      I > I think you also need to define how the data will be added, removed and 	 accessed.   ( Loads of thinking about this...trust me. > L > Lets say the database contained scanned images of cleared cheques (instead ofI > being microfilmed). You would never want to modify a record once it has  beenJ > entered, but you will be adding lots of records each night. Would you beL > continually deleting records past a certain age each day, or would you run a & > weekly/monthly/yearly job to do so ?  H Yearly jobs most likley, quarterly at most....must have 10 years of info3 on-line, longer for some categories of information.     J > How often will searches be done ? Transactions per second ? Per minute ? Per  > hour ? A few dozen per day ?  ( 1 million+ per day is the sizing figure.    K > Another thing to consider: if you use the file system to store documents,  100 J > million documents taking on average one more block of allocation (due toF > cluster size) than needed would consume an extra 100 million blocks.  L One of the limitations of using a file system approach, though it may not be out-weighed by the benefits.    I > On the other hand, if your index somehow gets corrupt, you can probably G > rebuild the index and your documents are still safe. If you store the  whole J > kit and kaboodle into one giant database, you then have mega headache if the J > database is corrupt. You also have some issues with backup, which you do not F > have when you are file based because VMS backup works fine on those.  B We're going to have a rdbms in any event so the temptation to haveJ everything in the db is great. As you note there are also some issues with this.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:40:03 -0500 * From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillmabg@yahoo.com>  Subject: RE: EUNICE availability' Message-ID: <012E100A.C22236@yahoo.com>    Fausto Saporito wrote:  = > I saw a lot of old posts about EUNICE emulutor for VAX/VMS. G > I'm wondering if it's still possible to get this software, maybe with 1 > the hobbyist license, running under OpenVMS 7.2   H Since Eunice was a product of The Wollongong Group and that company longG since passed away, with Attachmate purchasing (and later discontinuing) D their Pathway TCP/IP stack, I'd be surprised if you can find a copy. --  
 Brian Tillman    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:26:16 -0500 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>  Subject: Re: EUNICE availability. Message-ID: <405738B8.3918.14C99E02@localhost>  . On 16 Mar 2004 at 5:19, Fausto Saporito wrote:= > I saw a lot of old posts about EUNICE emulutor for VAX/VMS. G > I'm wondering if it's still possible to get this software, maybe with 1 > the hobbyist license, running under OpenVMS 7.2   C You don't want to do that.  Instead, download GNV (short for GNU's  D not VMS) from the HP website, and install a *real* Unix environment A on your system.  You can then compile the Unix flavor (probably).   C Requires Alpha, unfortunately.  You could join the HP DSPP (free),  ) then sign up for the Alpha/VMS TestDrive.   C Any Alpha they let you share would be gobs faster than the VAX you   have at home...   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 14:34:11 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>   Subject: RE: EUNICE availability9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECICEGBCPAA.tom@kednos.com>   9 Doesn't that require 7.3-2?  Also you probably want ODS-5      -----Original Message-----9   From: Stanley F. Quayle [mailto:squayle@insight.rr.com] '   Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 2:26 PM    To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com "   Subject: Re: EUNICE availability      0   On 16 Mar 2004 at 5:19, Fausto Saporito wrote:?   > I saw a lot of old posts about EUNICE emulutor for VAX/VMS. I   > I'm wondering if it's still possible to get this software, maybe with 3   > the hobbyist license, running under OpenVMS 7.2    E   You don't want to do that.  Instead, download GNV (short for GNU's  F   not VMS) from the HP website, and install a *real* Unix environment C   on your system.  You can then compile the Unix flavor (probably).    E   Requires Alpha, unfortunately.  You could join the HP DSPP (free),  +   then sign up for the Alpha/VMS TestDrive.    E   Any Alpha they let you share would be gobs faster than the VAX you     have at home...       --Stan Quayle    Quayle Consulting Inc.      ----------E   Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 3   8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 ?   Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com          --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B   Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004    --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:07:34 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> $ Subject: Re: FutureVAX vs CHARON-VAX' Message-ID: <40575076.1070801@MMaz.com>    Didier Morandi wrote:   G > The FutureVAX is a hardware product from the Emulators International  B > Dutch company (http://www.emulatorsinternational.com/) which is G > intended to fully replace a VAX. It is a computer (COM-PU-TER), with  H > an operating system (actually two, Windows XP and VMS). The FutureVAX H > is a turn-key system. Like a Macintosh, if you want: "unpack it, plug  > it, run it".  D Hardware being a PC (specifically Intel), that is still running the  CHARON-VAX Software.   > B > CHARON-VAX is a software (SOFT-WA-RE) product from the Software F > Resources International Swiss company (http://www.softresint.com/), I > which emulates some VAX processors, aimed at being installed either on  G > a Windows PC or on an OpenVMS/Alpha computer. It is a fairly complex  ? > piece of software which needs service to be implemented. See?   D CHARON-VAX being that software that still MUST run on a host system 7 which is most typically a PC which can be Intel or AMD.     G The difference?  None except that the first is a packaged bundle where  G as the second requires that you add water (ie. the PC) and stir.  Same   thing!    H The complaint is that if you are going to plug your product, do so when D someone voices a requirement but your present frequency is not only H annoying, but your third-party by-stander approach is insincere in that G you attempt to appear as if you have no stack in the statements!  That   is what I find irritating.    I As for me, yes I want to see more success with SRI and specifically with  F the CHARON products, but unlike yourself, I'm a paying end-user so my F 'plugs,' if you will, are for the purposes of helping someone solve a K problem and I do not do it under the guise of a 'third-party' by-stander...      Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 19:53:57 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>$ Subject: Re: FutureVAX vs CHARON-VAX. Message-ID: <c37ig5$104l$1@biggoron.nerim.net>  I > CHARON-VAX is a Windows and/or OpenVMS/Alpha programs which emulates a  K > VAX. Then you boot your emulated VAX and load VMS from a emulated ODS2/5  J > disk. The result, for the Windows version, is one Windows image, and if K > possible two CPUs (which is the case for the FutureVAX). One for Windows  K > and one for the emulator, which uses 100% of its CPU (because of the VMS  C > IDLE process) unless you run a special Windows application which  C > suppresses the CPU usage of the IDLE process (available with the  I > CHARON-VAX kit of the FutureVAX). Don't ask me how, I have no idea and  E > am not interested in that depth of knowledge. I prefer to focus on   > Customers requirements.    Let me rephrase all that:   2 CHARON-VAX is a program which emulates a VAX chip.  I There are three versions of CHARON-VAX as far as platforms are concerned: 
 Windows XP
 OpenVMS/Alpha  Linux   J When you start CHARON-VAX, it will display the standard sequence of a VAX L initialization (the HW tests) up to the console prompt. If you have a valid Q emulated disk available, which contains a valid installation of VMS or any other  F operating systems running on a VAX, you'll boot that operating system.  J For the Windows version of CHARON-VAX, you will have then a Windows image O running. If you have a HW with two CPUs, which is highly recommended, one will  N take care of the emulator, which uses 100% of its CPU because of the VMS IDLE Q process which is always running when the CPU is not serving another process, and  + the other one will take care of Windows XP.    Better?    D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 20:56:54 GMT + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> $ Subject: Re: FutureVAX vs CHARON-VAX7 Message-ID: <qSJ5c.828$Wc4.2645@bcandid.telisphere.com>    Michael Unger wrote:. > On 2004-03-16 09:05, "Didier Morandi" wrote: >  >  >>[...]  >>M >>The FutureVAX is a hardware product from the Emulators International Dutch  N >>company (http://www.emulatorsinternational.com/) which is intended to fully S >>replace a VAX. It is a computer (COM-PU-TER), with an operating system (actually  R >>two, Windows XP and VMS). The FutureVAX is a turn-key system. Like a Macintosh, , >>if you want: "unpack it, plug it, run it". >>L >>CHARON-VAX is a software (SOFT-WA-RE) product from the Software Resources P >>International Swiss company (http://www.softresint.com/), which emulates some K >>VAX processors, aimed at being installed either on a Windows PC or on an  O >>OpenVMS/Alpha computer. It is a fairly complex piece of software which needs  ! >>service to be implemented. See?  >>O >>These are two different products, if my English is not too bad for you Barry.  >> >>[...]  >  > D > So Windows *and* VMS are running in parallel on an Intel CPU?? No? Yes    > H > As far as I understand it VMS is running on Charon-VAX which itself isM > an application running on Windows as an hosting OS running on an Intel CPU.  Yes.   Barry    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 22:32:15 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>$ Subject: Re: FutureVAX vs CHARON-VAX) Message-ID: <4057C6AD.D13B586A@istop.com>    "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:H > The difference?  None except that the first is a packaged bundle whereH > as the second requires that you add water (ie. the PC) and stir.  Same > thing!  J For a hobbyist, yes. For a commercial operation, it depends on the type ofI support you get. If you buy all parts separately, you then have to wonder Q about whether it will work, if drivers will support the interfaces ethernet etc).   B If you buy the bundled solution, you have a turnkey system runningK VAX-VMS.This is especially true if you have a shop where the wintel weenies K aren't allowed to touch serous stuff like VMS. You don't want them fiddling K with windows and hardware while attempting to setup the unbundled solution.    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2004 14:59:17 -08007 From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones) " Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes= Message-ID: <8a646952.0403161459.40e7f249@posting.google.com>   o wim.van-den-wyngaert@ing.be (Wim@BE) wrote in message news:<6ad21a71.0403160439.2b3f6a2c@posting.google.com>...  > JF > 3 > I did a test on an alpha station 500 with VMS7.3. 9 > I started big TPU sessions until the pagefile was full.  > Not 1 message. >  > Wim   	 Dear Wim:   O You need to turn on the opcom messages for a opa0: before messages will appear.    Regards, Daryl Jones    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:45:18 +0000 % From: David Gray <police@spamcop.net> 8 Subject: Help - Pathworks & Windows 2000 Advanced Server8 Message-ID: <0oie509kankncbrh4dj2o6mumv23j7ob81@4ax.com>  
 Hello group,     Windows 2000 Advanced server. 2 HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4  OpenVMS 7.3-2    Three servers in two domains:    Domain EXTENZA-W1  ====================5 ZAKARY  - Prime domain controller (PDC)  running NT4  ) JERRY    -  Alphaserver running OpenVMS      Domain TURPINS-WM  ====================/ DATABASE01 - PDC	running advanced server 2000.    F I'm unable to get DATABASE01 to see any of the pathworks shares on the server JERRY.    E.g.    5 Database01 (PDC)	ZAKARY (PDC) 	                 JERRY = Windows 2K 	--- > 	Windows NT4   ----->              OpenVMS      A ZAKARY can see the pathworks shares on JERRY no problem, Zakary & F DATABASE01 can both see each other just fine.  DATABASE01 is unable toC see the pathworks shares.  If I try to map a drive on Database01 to > any share on JERRY  I'm prompted for a username/password,  allC possible combinations appear to be invalid.  The shares do not have  passwords assigned.   C Any ideas which username/password combination this should be?  I've 7 tried using the administrator password for the PDC, the . username/password for the VMS machine JERRY.    E This worked until pathworks was restarted due to a reboot.  All looks E to be pretty much the same as before as far as pthworks is concerned,  shares, trusts etc...   ) Any ideas or pointers on where to look?      Thanks in advance,   	Dave.     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:20:14 -0500 $ From: "PEN" <paul.nuneznosp@mhp.com>< Subject: Re: Help - Pathworks & Windows 2000 Advanced Server, Message-ID: <c37r2i$on8$1@hplms2.hpl.hp.com>   Hi,    [snip]G > This worked until pathworks was restarted due to a reboot.  All looks G > to be pretty much the same as before as far as pthworks is concerned,  > shares, trusts etc...  >   " I would shutdown PATHWORKS and do:  # $ @sys$startup:pwrk$define_commands 
 $ samcheck -s   K to determine if the sam database is corrupt (it's corrupt if any errors are J reported).  If the PATHWORKS server is a BDC, it's fairly easy to recover.L Let us know if that's the problem and I'll post some instructions to get you working again.  J Otheriwse, can you map a drive from zakary to jerry?   Any license relatedI errors shown by doing $ admin/analyze/since? Any pertinent NETLOGON error ) seen if you do $ admin show events/since?   5 Might also post the specific Advanced Server version:   L $ pwver   ! if that fails, first execute $ @sys$startup:pwrk$define_commands   HTH,   Paul   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:42:54 +0000 % From: David Gray <police@spamcop.net> Y Subject: Help - Pathworks & Windows 2000 Advanced Server, microsoft.public.win2000.advanc 8 Message-ID: <3jhe505ccra4seckpm03rs3qmdl23dev6r@4ax.com>  
 Hello group, C   Windows 2000 Advanced server. 2 HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4  OpenVMS 7.3-2    Three servers in two domains:    Domain EXTENZA-W1g ====================5 ZAKARY  - Prime domain controller (PDC)  running NT4 -) JERRY    -  Alphaserver running OpenVMS  o   Domain TURPINS-WM  ====================/ DATABASE01 - PDC	running advanced server 2000. f  F I'm unable to get DATABASE01 to see any of the pathworks shares on the server JERRY.    E.g. t  5 Database01 (PDC)	ZAKARY (PDC) 	                 JERRY = Windows 2K 	--- > 	Windows NT4   ----->              OpenVMS e    A ZAKARY can see the pathworks shares on JERRY no problem, Zakary &sF DATABASE01 can both see each other just fine.  DATABASE01 is unable toC see the pathworks shares.  If I try to map a drive on Database01 too> any share on JERRY  I'm prompted for a username/password,  allC possible combinations appear to be invalid.  The shares do not have: passwords assigned.   C Any ideas which username/password combination this should be?  I'vel7 tried using the administrator password for the PDC, thed. username/password for the VMS machine JERRY.    E This worked until pathworks was restarted due to a reboot.  All looksfE to be pretty much the same as before as far as pthworks is concerned,l shares, trusts etc...   ) Any ideas or pointers on where to look?  n   Thanks in advance, a 	Dave.     ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2004 10:24:44 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)  Subject: Re: How to get username= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0403161024.49c1fd58@posting.google.com>   j Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) wrote in message news:<a98cd882.0403152320.4b27d818@posting.google.com>...t > phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer) wrote in message news:<5ee1d1b7.0403151024.23d5fac8@posting.google.com>...n > > Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) wrote in message news:<a98cd882.0403150355.7a8731f1@posting.google.com>..._ > > > Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> wrote in message news:<105ag4ec3kr6df2@corp.supernews.com>...0/ > > > > Jan-Erik S?derholm <aaa@aaa.com> wrote:aM > > > > : > SET PROMPT="''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''"l >    [...]y > G > Yes, I think I know how it should be done. What I am curiuos about isyF > how it is possible that DCL can make something out of such a mangled > string construct!  >  > Bart Zorna  - Right after I posted I discovered something!    B > > > $ A = "''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")'::"'F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")''" > > > $ SHOW SYMBOL A< > > >   A = "SPLZ03::BART"  D It appears that that final apostrophe is translating the following "? as a symbol! So the spaces become trailing spaces and which arem  ignored in DCL's non-quote mode.  	 Examples:i   DCL>a := bell'"  DCL>sh sym a   A = "BELL"
 DCL>a = dir'". DCL>sh sym a$   A = "DIR/SIZE=ALL/DATE/WID=FIL=21"   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:41:27 -0500s, From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>B Subject: Re: HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour, Message-ID: <40574aaf$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  I First there is no background image on the pages anymore (at least the Ones Voice pages (black hp logo)).   J The s.gif is used all over the place but it does come from a cached server= (that's why it comes from http://welcome.hp-ww.com/img/s.gif)a  K Of course I've had a 'link reduction project' for the home page and reducedaH the number of links on the home page from 80 to 101 last time I checked.      + "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> wrote in messagea, news:c2ul27$mit$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl... > warren sander wrote:% > > you guys are really on the ball..r > >tG > > it's been that way for almost 2 years. In fact EVERY PAGE on HP.COMl serversr > > is the same way.L > > It is a corporate requirement. I didn't invent it, I didn't get asked. I > > just had to impliment it.  > >t > > -warren  > > H > I suppose we all can understand that. But perhaps you can find out why they@ > implemented such a strange way of getting a white background ? >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:04:45 -0500s* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>B Subject: Re: HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour) Message-ID: <40576BE9.C11DECA2@istop.com>a   warren sander wrote: > K > First there is no background image on the pages anymore (at least the Oneo > Voice pages (black hp logo)).e  * Couple more comments: in the VMS home page;  (http://h71000.www7.hp.com/index.html?jumpid=/go/openvms )   > <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="740">  F This defines the big table that contains the contents. You should haveK with="100%". It is not considered good practice to hardcode the whole tablevL width. Remember that this page is being accessed from different devices, not4 wintel stuff with the same screen size for everyone.  = And further down where you define the left nagivation column:?   <!-- Start Left Navigation -->  < <td width="170" align="left" valign="top" bgcolor="#F0F0F0">@ 		<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="170" 3 			background="http://welcome.hp-ww.com/img/s.gif">  		<tr class="colorDCDCDCbg">K 		<td align="left" width="10"><img src="http://welcome.hp-ww.com/img/s.gif"." width="10" height="1" alt=""></td>T 		<td align="left" valign="top" width="10" class="color003366bld">&raquo;&nbsp;</td>L 		<td align="left" valign="middle"><h2><a href="/index.html" class="bold">HP OpenVMS Systems</a></h2></td>e	 				</tr>t 			</table>hq 			<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="170" background="http://welcome.hp-ww.com/img/s.gif">s	 		etc etcn    N So you create a column with the right "bgcolor=" tag. Then, inside, you createJ another table with the s.gif white background, and then attempt to set yetI another colour in the bacground of the <tr element. However, the last oneoL fails because the class "colorDCDCDCgb" is not defined anywhere and the HTML8 file does not include any external CSS definition files.  M Oh, and by the way, since your document uses a 4.01 DTD, you should know that N "background=" is not a valid tag for the table element as per that DTD.  (just> because one of two browsers support it doesn't make it valid).   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:36:18 -0500s, From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>B Subject: Re: HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour, Message-ID: <405781bc$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  J Ok I pulled the background's from the left nav tables (if I get in trouble it's your fault)....  E as for the style sheets. they are defined in a javascript and use the4 'theme' the set things up. every page has a call to:@  <         <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript"L src="http://welcome.hp-ww.com/country/us/en/js/hpweb_utilities.js"></script>  L which does all the defines of the class's etc. I didn't do it. it was "THEM"   -warren   7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messageo# news:40576BE9.C11DECA2@istop.com...l > warren sander wrote: > >kI > > First there is no background image on the pages anymore (at least the2 One3! > > Voice pages (black hp logo)).o >D, > Couple more comments: in the VMS home page= >  (http://h71000.www7.hp.com/index.html?jumpid=/go/openvms )@ >t@ > <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="740"> >5H > This defines the big table that contains the contents. You should haveG > with="100%". It is not considered good practice to hardcode the whole  table1J > width. Remember that this page is being accessed from different devices, notS6 > wintel stuff with the same screen size for everyone. >e? > And further down where you define the left nagivation column:e >s  > <!-- Start Left Navigation --> >e> > <td width="170" align="left" valign="top" bgcolor="#F0F0F0">? > <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="170"e2 > background="http://welcome.hp-ww.com/img/s.gif"> > <tr class="colorDCDCDCbg">K > <td align="left" width="10"><img src="http://welcome.hp-ww.com/img/s.gif" $ > width="10" height="1" alt=""></td>* > <td align="left" valign="top" width="10") class="color003366bld">&raquo;&nbsp;</td>:L > <td align="left" valign="middle"><h2><a href="/index.html" class="bold">HP > OpenVMS Systems</a></h2></td>m > </tr> 
 > </table>? > <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="170"i0 background="http://welcome.hp-ww.com/img/s.gif">	 > etc etc- >- >-I > So you create a column with the right "bgcolor=" tag. Then, inside, youy createL > another table with the s.gif white background, and then attempt to set yetK > another colour in the bacground of the <tr element. However, the last onelI > fails because the class "colorDCDCDCgb" is not defined anywhere and the. HTML: > file does not include any external CSS definition files. >eJ > Oh, and by the way, since your document uses a 4.01 DTD, you should know thatI > "background=" is not a valid tag for the table element as per that DTD.k (just@@ > because one of two browsers support it doesn't make it valid).   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:32:48 -0500y* From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillmabg@yahoo.com>+ Subject: RE: HP's emails blocked by spamcopf' Message-ID: <012E0F8B.C22236@yahoo.com>v   JF Mezei wrote:i  7 > I am subscribed to the ITRC mailing list. However, HP  > attempted to send me anl* > email and my ISP bounced it as spam !!!! > E > Mar 16 00:49:45 ns postfix/smtpd[19471]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT frompC > mh.hp.m0.net[209.11.164.98]: 554 Service unavailable; Client hostt= > [209.11.164.98] blocked using bl.spamcop.net; Blocked - seeo0 > http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?209.11.164.98; > from=<us-news@your.hp.com>; > to=<vaxination@istop.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<mh.hp.m0.net>?  L m0.net is a well-known Email fulfillment house that is, in fact, responsibleL for a lot of SPAM.  I suspect the message was bounced because m0.net was the source.  -- e
 Brian Tillman    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:48:02 -0800 , From: Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com>, Subject: Re: Keyboard and the NewVMS desktop+ Message-ID: <c37p5t$m3n$1@news01.intel.com>s   G Henry wrote:  H > Is there a trick to get the keyboard to work with the NewVMS desktop?? > G > First, I have the keyboard, mouse and monitor on a 4 port Belkin OMNI D > KVM switch with 3 windows 2003 servers and my PWS 600a running VMS@ > 7.2-2 (I have also had 7.3-2 and it does the same thing).  The- > Keyboard works GREAT on the WIndows systemso > @ >   No matter what I do, the "?" on the keyboard will not work   > 4 >   No matter what I do the arrow keys will not work > D > If I plug the keyboard directly into the PWS600a the question mark$ > works but the Arrow keys will not. >  > Anyone have any suggestions?  ?     Google for "KVMs, LK461 and DECwindows" on comp.os.vms backoB in September of last year.  I have a PWS 600au (thanks, David! :-)? and an IBM T20 laptop.  A "standard" LK461 (VMS-style) keyboard 1 works perfectly with each of them...separately...   @      As others have mentioned, it's very difficult to find a KVM? that will support a PC _and_ an Alpha.  Has to do with keyboardo? "modes" and with the fact that many KVMs drop keycodes in modeslA they're not expecting.  (Laptop runs in mode 1, KVM runs keyboard @ in mode 2 and translates between that and the other modes, Alpha< runs in mode 3 and has more key codes than a "standard" PS/2 keyboard in mode 2.)  ?      Not wanting to buy an expensive, data-center type KVM fromrA Rose or Raritan, and not having the time to keep an eye on E-Bay,p> I chose to use _two_ keyboards (sigh...).  But the inexpensiveB Rose Mini-Vista does fine switching the video and (3-button) mouse between the two systems.  YMMV.   	      -Keni --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 22:58:00 +0000 % From: Alan Fay <alan@fay.demon.co.uk> $ Subject: License Pak move to Itanium4 Message-ID: <c380pq$pfv$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>  @ If an OpenVMS customer wants to move to Itanium do they have to @ re-buy every single new OpenVMS, C, CXX, UCX, etc.. License Pak ; plus the cost of the new hardware just to move to Itanium ?t   Alan e   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 23:27:21 +0000 (UTC)w- From: lewis@spyder.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)o( Subject: Re: License Pak move to Itanium. Message-ID: <c382go$pg1$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   Alan Fay <alan@fay.demon.co.uk> writes in article <c380pq$pfv$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk> dated Tue, 16 Mar 2004 22:58:00 +0000:kA >If an OpenVMS customer wants to move to Itanium do they have to aA >re-buy every single new OpenVMS, C, CXX, UCX, etc.. License Pak y< >plus the cost of the new hardware just to move to Itanium ?  K Some classes of licenses can presumably be moved.  "Personal" (single-user)nG licenses and "concurrent use" licenses don't seem to be attached to the. machine or architecture type.  t  = HP probably has some kind of trade-in program for the others.f  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 22:11:55 -0500o* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>( Subject: Re: License Pak move to Itanium) Message-ID: <4057C1EA.B3831C79@istop.com>0   "Keith A. Lewis" wrote:.? > HP probably has some kind of trade-in program for the others.   F On the day Alpha died, (June 25 2001), Compaq went to visit its "real"C customers (the few big ones) and supposedlty gave them sweet deals.c  N I have not seen anything to help smaller customers (those who didn't warrant a+ visit on that day) deal with the migration.   H It is too early to pass final judgement since VMS isn't yet commercially available on that IA64 thing.s   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2004 11:05:19 -08001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)oE Subject: Official Announcement - OpenVMS Advanced Technical Boot Camp = Message-ID: <857e9e41.0403161105.2510abc6@posting.google.com>p   Dear OpenVMS Technologist, w  E On behalf of the entire boot camp team, it is my pleasure to announceaE the next OpenVMS Advanced technical boot camp. May 16-21, 2004 at thewB Sheraton Hotel in Nashua, NH. This five day event is geared to theB intermediate to advanced OpenVMS technologist and your instructorsC will be expert members of the HP OpenVMS Community. Additionally we D are providing some basic and master level classes.  Please visit ourF web page at http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/bootcamp to view the agenda, D session abstracts (please click the course number on the agenda), as2 well as notes, registration and hotel information.  B Please note that registration is very limited and will be based onB first come first serve basis. Please do not hesitate to contact me with any questions.-  C The boot camp is now open to ANY customers HP employees and OpenVMSr6 business Partners in good standing who wish to attend.   Warm Regards, 
 Sue Skonetskie 603-884-2807 Program Managero   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:57:07 -0800u3 From: Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> I Subject: Re: Official Announcement - OpenVMS Advanced Technical Boot Campo. Message-ID: <40576A23.3040804@Flying-Disk.com>   VAXman- wrote:  F > Now I have to figure out how to freight my Guinness cooler to Nashua > for two weeks. t  @ I'm sorry that I cannot be there this time.   I really wanted to3 see this.   Oh, and sample the product, also.   :-)t   Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 19:11:47 GMTn" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGI Subject: Re: Official Announcement - OpenVMS Advanced Technical Boot Campo0 Message-ID: <00A2EEE9.18D33FEA@SendSpamHere.ORG>  q In article <857e9e41.0403161105.2510abc6@posting.google.com>, susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) writes:. >Dear OpenVMS Technologist,  {...snip...}D >The boot camp is now open to ANY customers HP employees and OpenVMS7 >business Partners in good standing who wish to attend.y  D Those of us in not so good standing already registered yesterday! ;)      D Now I have to figure out how to freight my Guinness cooler to Nashua for two weeks. e   --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.l -- sK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2004 14:41:55 -08001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)cI Subject: Re: Official Announcement - OpenVMS Advanced Technical Boot Campe= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0403161441.5900915c@posting.google.com>s   Brian,  B Maybe we could do a block called "What to do when your system just+ won't go down"?  Make it a bof one evening.l   Sue  g  X VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A2EEE9.18D33FEA@SendSpamHere.ORG>...s > In article <857e9e41.0403161105.2510abc6@posting.google.com>, susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) writes:e > >Dear OpenVMS Technologist,  >  {...snip...}tF > >The boot camp is now open to ANY customers HP employees and OpenVMS9 > >business Partners in good standing who wish to attend.  > F > Those of us in not so good standing already registered yesterday! ;) >  >  > F > Now I have to figure out how to freight my Guinness cooler to Nashua > for two weeks. c >  > --D > http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityE >                             solutions that others only claim to be.a   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2004 12:21:55 -0800- From: soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume).? Subject: Re: OpenVMS C/C++ compilers on ALpha and I64 Questionsf= Message-ID: <f401eb7f.0403161221.4809da55@posting.google.com>t   > [...]c
 > Duane Smithe >  > Engineering Managerz > G > HP C and C++ Compilers for OpenVMS I64, OpenVMS Alpha, and Tru64 UNIX    Thank you for your reply!!!e   JMOD   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2004 11:58:40 -08003 From: yf110@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca (Malcolm Dew-Jones)n Subject: Re: Oracle exp on VMS* Message-ID: <40575c70@news.victoria.tc.ca>  1 Gudmundur Josepsson (gjosepsson@yahoo.com) wrote:e : Hi,e  A : How can I quote the query clause so that it works on DCL/VMS?  w  E : exp userid=scott/tiger@orc1 tables=emp query=where job like 'CLERK'a  7 Is there some reasn why simply quoting it doesn't work?e  I     exp userid=scott/tiger@orc1 tables=emp query="where job like 'CLERK'"   B or, depending on how the interface to exp is implemented, possibly  I     exp userid=scott/tiger@orc1 tables=emp "query=where job like 'CLERK'"       ( (My VMS'ing is very out of date though.)   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2004 21:18:51 -0800C From: gconstantinides@myrealbox.com (gconstantinides@myrealbox.com) ! Subject: Re: SMTP Welcome messager= Message-ID: <d28edccd.0403162118.7cdcb2bf@posting.google.com>v  [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<4050748D.A1AD1886@istop.com>...  > Macallan wrote:E > > 8 > >         Why do you consider the message is too long. > N > It may not be a question of length as it could be a question of the user notP > wanting to advertise the operating system and version of SMTP server. Should aM > vulnerability by publiscized for this compbination, hackers would know youri > site is vulnerable.   H Strictly speaking the length is not an issue, but I want to interface anE instrument. The buffer for that instrument does (at this stage of itsSB development) allow for an Announce string longer than a few bytes.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 04:07:45 GMT4( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>/ Subject: Re: SSH, X11 forwarding and TCPIP V5.4V- Message-ID: <laQ5c.195570$A12.20689@edtnps84>    Manser wrote::   [ server-side config snipped ]   >  > on the client side:  >  > putty  > & > on the window connection ssh tunnels >  > enable x11 forwarding : YesP! > xdisplay location : localhost:0  > port forwarding:6 > local ports accept connections from other hosts: yes, > remote ports do the same ssh v2 only : yes > forwarded ports:G > L5521 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:1521 where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the ip address ofl > the ssh server >    Manser,   H Does your PuTTY event log show that X11-forwarding is accepted?  I have E exactly the same SSH server config as you posted, but still get "X11 14 forwarding refused" when I connect to my SSH server.  G The only difference between our setups seems to be the VMS version.  I  B currently run VMS 7.3 (Alpha) and TCP/IP Services 5.4.  The PC is E running Cygwin/XFree86, but that's clearly not the problem since the i8 forwarding must occur before the X server gets launched.  ; Anyone else having success with X11 forwarding with PuTTY ?n   Cheers,  AlderO   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:41:55 -0500c* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>0 Subject: Re: TN3270 - Why it still synchronous ?) Message-ID: <40576691.27D9867F@istop.com>4  # re: block mode terminals on PDP-11:    Jack Peacock wrote:aE > The programs worked just fine, but the theory did not.  On an asyncsK > interface each byte sent from the terminal generated an interrupt.  SinceeN > this was at typing speed the number of incoming interrupts was quite low.  AI > block transmission generated a burst of interrupts at 100 to 1000 timeso: > normal rate, overwhelming the serial interrupt handler.   G With DMA transfers on VAX, would this still cause an interrupt for eachH character received ?L And when you do raw IO without SMG, FMS or even formatted QIO, wouldn't thatN result is far fewer resources being used for each character ((especially sinceK you don't need characters to be echoed, just deposited into a memory buffer  (especially with DMA).   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 21:10:10 +0000f& From: Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk>0 Subject: Re: TN3270 - Why it still synchronous ?1 Message-ID: <160320042110104163%nospam@yrl.co.uk>i  2 In article <40576691.27D9867F@istop.com>, JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:  % > re: block mode terminals on PDP-11:s >  > Jack Peacock wrote:cG > > The programs worked just fine, but the theory did not.  On an async/M > > interface each byte sent from the terminal generated an interrupt.  Since-P > > this was at typing speed the number of incoming interrupts was quite low.  AK > > block transmission generated a burst of interrupts at 100 to 1000 timesM< > > normal rate, overwhelming the serial interrupt handler.  > I > With DMA transfers on VAX, would this still cause an interrupt for eachm > character received ?N > And when you do raw IO without SMG, FMS or even formatted QIO, wouldn't thatP > result is far fewer resources being used for each character ((especially sinceM > you don't need characters to be echoed, just deposited into a memory buffer  > (especially with DMA).  F You are right. Even on pdp-11s with DH-11s, block mode terminals wouldF deliver quite a lot of characters per interrupt. DH-11 had a silo thatF could be sucked dry on a single interrupt. Yes, the driver took a fairF armful of cpu whenever anyone hit the tx tit, but the overall cpu costF per character was much lower. On top of that, the load was potentially> halved since the cpu was taking no outbound interrupts on echoE characters. It has been a long time, but IIRC, it was possible to DMA F output to a DH-11, but I don't remember any DEC PDP-11 terminal driver that bothered to try.n  D If you were stuck with a doofus interface like a DZ-11, you would beG lucky to keep up with a block mode terminal. In that case Jack would beoG right. Terminal servers, of course were the best of all when it came ton not worrying the cpu.b  D BTDTGTTS from both writing a block mode terminal and hacking various TTDRVs on RSTS and RSX   --  N Swen has got to me. I thought I would be the last on earth to mangle my e-mail address. fsnospam$elliott$$.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2004 15:11:11 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org0 Subject: Re: TN3270 - Why it still synchronous ?3 Message-ID: <x1F$h+4x1MwJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  V In article <40576691.27D9867F@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:% > re: block mode terminals on PDP-11:a >  > Jack Peacock wrote: F >> The programs worked just fine, but the theory did not.  On an asyncL >> interface each byte sent from the terminal generated an interrupt.  SinceO >> this was at typing speed the number of incoming interrupts was quite low.  AaJ >> block transmission generated a burst of interrupts at 100 to 1000 times; >> normal rate, overwhelming the serial interrupt handler. i > I > With DMA transfers on VAX, would this still cause an interrupt for eachs > character received ?  C Traditionally, VAX asynch interfaces might do DMA on output but had E at most something like a 4 character silo for input.  So yes, you getbA per character interrupts on input.  A DZ11 would obviously not do D DMA at all.  A DMF32 or DMZ32 would do long output transfers in DMA,G short output transfers with programmed I/O and all input via programmedi I/O.  B Console interfaces, (i.e. OPA0:) tend to be even worse than DZ11s.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:17:37 -0800s* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>0 Subject: Re: TN3270 - Why it still synchronous ?2 Message-ID: <ENednSLT4syvOsrd4p2dnA@mpowercom.net>  3 "Elliott Roper" <nospam@yrl.co.uk> wrote in messageR+ news:160320042110104163%nospam@yrl.co.uk...iF > If you were stuck with a doofus interface like a DZ-11, you would beI > lucky to keep up with a block mode terminal. In that case Jack would be I > right. Terminal servers, of course were the best of all when it came ton > not worrying the cpu.n > D I did see a similar problem on an early uVAX II system that only hadI DZQ-11s, when we started to transfer files via modem on >9600 baud lines.eB The effective incoming/outgoing rate could be bursts over 2KB/sec,H especially with a nice buffered, compressed, error-correcting modem withH fairly high thruput for it's linespeed.  This was in addition to severalJ users on local terminals.  The problem first surfaced on VMS 4.[something]L when we saw crashes with stack overflows.  Bumping up the INTSTKPAGES helpedL but we had to be careful about file transfers.  The problem disappeared with3 VMS 5,  uVAX 3100/20 and DECServer 200 replacement.D  K We did use DHQ-11s at one point on the uVAX II, with the onboard 8051 front0I end processor that did some buffering and DMA management, but the DHQ wasA> primarily designed to boost large blocks of output, not input.  L The block mode frontend on the PDP-11 never saw the light of day, though theK version for plain VTs did see several installs including one in Moscow (andcE no, no back door for exploding pipelines...it was a soviet era hotel,mJ impossible to make the service any worse no matter what the software did).    Jack Peacockt   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 20:12:05 +0000 (UTC)pP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?$ Message-ID: <c37n2k$36f$1@online.de>  = In article <7500353b.0403120718.3f5fa282@posting.google.com>,e1 mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon) writes:    H > Lying is a good way to keep customers happy. A bit like peeing in your! > pants. It is warm for awhile...a  F Reminds me of the old Harley-Davidson--rider joke: "Riding a Honda is 9 like masturbation: it feels good until someone sees you."    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:21:35 -0500 * From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillmabg@yahoo.com>  Subject: RE: Toys R Us and VMS ?' Message-ID: <012E0EC9.C22236@yahoo.com>p   John Smith wrote:j  . > Which ADA are you going to use on IA64/VMS??  I Will will not be using Ada on that platform, to the best of my knowledge.N' We never used Ada on VMS/Alpha, either.u -- w
 Brian Tillmans   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.150 ************************