1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 18 Mar 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 152       Contents:/ Re: Contract VMS programming position available * Re: Converting PCL5e dev ctl libs to PCL5c Re: DCL Numerical symbols ! Re: Displaying TCP socket options ' Re: RE: Document warehouse for/on VMS?? ' Re: RE: Document warehouse for/on VMS?? # Re: Document warehouse for/on VMS??  Re: DVD writer on ES40 Re: EUNICE availability  Re: EUNICE availability = GNU DIFF and PATCH for Alpha?  Version at crinoid won't unzip A Re: GNU DIFF and PATCH for Alpha?  Version at crinoid won't unzip A Re: GNU DIFF and PATCH for Alpha?  Version at crinoid won't unzip  Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes 1 Hit counter for Apache like #Accesses SSI in OSU?  Re: How to get username  Re: How to get username 9 Re: HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour 9 Re: HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour  Re: License Pak move to Itanium * Re: mail program example for reading mails Re: Movies cut on VMS ! Re: ncurses support for ovms ???? ! Re: ncurses support for ovms ???? # New ENCOMPASS group meeting (NCLUG) ( New ENCOMPASS group meeting (NCLUG) TIME+ perhaps on-topic: Google can't find a page! / Re: perhaps on-topic: Google can't find a page! & Re: Sharing a socket between processes Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ? < Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CD [OT?] Internet Appliances  Re: [OT?] Internet Appliances  Re: [OT?] Internet Appliances  Re: [OT?] Internet Appliances   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 05:03:00 GMT " From: tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com8 Subject: Re: Contract VMS programming position available8 Message-ID: <50bi509j2k3neuhah01de2gfp5n3bssvio@4ax.com>  / Darn, I used to know the name of the company...    I used to work in Toronto.... D And if memory served me better, I would know the name of the Winery.F They were indeed a vax/vms shop. Heck, back as far as 1979 - they were% probably a DEC 10 (20?) shop as well.   C For some reason, the name "Jordan Wines" pops up. But that's wrong. ? All I remember for "sure" is that they are in or near Vineland, < Ontario (aptly named - the "wine belt" of the Niagara penn.)   j.    ( On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 01:33:06 GMT, wrote:  K >This was sent to me by a headhunter today. I have no further details other 9 >than what is here. Contact vit-cutthis@cutthis-procom.ca  >  > I >This position would be of interest to those within commuting distance of  >Toronto/Hamilton, Ontario.  >  >  >Position: Programmer 2 >NOTE: ONLY suitable candidates will be contacted. > 
 >Required: >Mandatory Skills  >*Advanced Vax - VMS DCL >*Advanced Vax - Fortran - RMSC >*Working knowledge of Quiz/QTP in a Powerhouse/Vax VMS environment  >  >Scope of WorkJ >*Design, programming, testing and commissioning of application code for a >Planning and Scheduling System  > $ >Location: Hamilton, Ontario  Canada? >Duration: 3 months to start with a possibility of an extension  >Rate/Salary:Negotiable. >Start Date: ASAP  >    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Mar 2004 11:55:00 -0800% From: whohe@whoever.com (DL Phillips) 3 Subject: Re: Converting PCL5e dev ctl libs to PCL5c = Message-ID: <af0dc2ea.0403171155.2ad4d023@posting.google.com>   _ tim267@msn.com (Tim) wrote in message news:<327155b6.0403170653.4e424273@posting.google.com>... C > Thank you for your response. I have a follow up question. The PCL F > modules that work for HP also do not work with the Canon Black&white > printers that use PCL5e. > B > If the 5.45c is for vertical motion, "<esc>&l#C" Shouldn't it be > coded. > 2 > <esc>&l1o<esc>&5.45C (instead of) <esc>&l1o5.45C >  > ?  > F > Or am I to assume the leading <esc> is okay for the whole string? At, > least it works for HP printers, not canon. >  > l > whohe@whoever.com (DL Phillips) wrote in message news:<af0dc2ea.0403161356.6f4c8540@posting.google.com>...c > > tim267@msn.com (Tim) wrote in message news:<327155b6.0403160526.78840e92@posting.google.com>... I > > > I appreciate the pointer to documentation. <ESC> tables I have. The  > > > question remains:  > > > & > > > <esc>&l1o5.45C<esc>&k2S<esc>(8U  > > >  > > > I understand that: > > >  > > > &l1o = landscape > > > &k2S = compress  > > > (8U = pitch  > > > 5 > > > There are a few characters I do not understand.  > > >  > > > 5.45c = ?????  > > >  > > > J > > > They are also not documented in <esc>tables I have. I have PDF files< > > > for CANON and several HP tables found on the internet. > > A > > From the HP PCL5 Printer Language Technical Reference Manual:  > > 5 > >   <esc>&l#C is the Vertical Motion Index Command.  > > I > >    # = number of 1/48 inch increments between rows. Default of 8 is 6  > > lines per inch.      Tim,  F It is a combined command. If the terminating or parameter character inF the escape sequence is lower case, ie "o", then the escape and the two5 characters following will apply to the next value and B terminator/parameter. An upper case terminates the combination, ieA "C". You can combine any commands which have the same two letters  following the <esc>. So:  7   <esc>&l1o5.45C  is the same as  <esc>&l1O<esc>&l5.45C   E This is how the HP's PCL works and I've not worked with Cannon but if F they claim to be PCL5 compliant then it should work for them. The 5.45D value might not be valid on that printer, though as it translates toD ~8.8 lines per inch. Try using 6 instead to get 8 lines/inch and see if the Cannon accepts that.    HTH     Doug    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Mar 2004 13:33:52 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) " Subject: Re: DCL Numerical symbols3 Message-ID: <Y$YWcecMzeWm@eisner.encompasserve.org>   { In article <560543904c.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> writes:    > Then under VMS 4.0 >  > Create/dir [.fred] > rename fred.dir -.dir  > set default [-]  > : > You are not down a level into -.DIR, you are up a level. > $ > At least rename would recover you.      I didn't recall that one.  N    I see that's fixed now, ODS-2 on my VAX won't do it (was it fixed in 4.1?) M    and extended file parsing will let me handle the -.dir correctly on ODS-5      on my Alpha:   *       set default [-]	   goes up one level/       set default [.^-]    gets down into -.DIR    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 23:44:40 GMT 0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>* Subject: Re: Displaying TCP socket options> Message-ID: <Ip56c.108399$Wa.68427@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  H I am not sure about SHOW DEV displaying the socket options.  However you
 could try:  H  - getsockopt() to display the socket option setting inside your programG  - def tcpip$socket_trace 1 ! display setsockopt() call to verify it is  being set as expected   0 > ttcp -t -s -l 65535 -n 40000 -f M localhost -D  > BTW, the -D must come before the hostname.  So this should be:  4     $ ttcp -t -s -l 65535 -n 40000 -f M -D localhost   Matt.    --  = -------------------------------------------------------------  OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Company  Gold Coast, AUSTRALIA = -------------------------------------------------------------     E "Stephen Bainbridge" <S_Bainbridge@btinternet.co.uk> wrote in message * news:c396gv$lp7$1@sparta.btinternet.com...B >    Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.3 - ECO 2: >    on a AlphaServer DS10L 466 MHz running OpenVMS V7.3-1 >  > ================ >  > Hi,  > J > I trying to verify if I have correctly set the TCP socket option NODELAYF > in one of my programs. I initially thought that a "TCP SHOW DEV/FULLG > BGxx" would display it, if set, on the "Option" row but this does not  > seem to be the case. > E > Does anyone know how to view this parameter on a per socket basis ?  > : > I did the following test to verify it was'nt my program: >  > Session 1  > ========= $ > @sys$manager:tcpip$define_commands > ttcp -r -s >  > Session 2  > ========= $ > @sys$manager:tcpip$define_commands0 > ttcp -t -s -l 65535 -n 40000 -f M localhost -D >  > Session 3  > =========  > TCPIP SHOW DEV > TCPIP SHOW DEV BGxx/FULL > TCPIP SHOW DEV BGyy/FULL > TCPIP SHOW DEV BGzz/FULL > < > Where xx, yy and zz are the sockets on port 5001. It gave: >  > ZRR82A::SYSTEM>ucx sho dev > @ >                              Port                       Remote> > Device_socket  Type    Local  Remote  Service           Host > ; >    bg45        STREAM    5001       0                   * C >    bg46        STREAM    5001   49155                   127.0.0.1 C >    bg47        STREAM   49155    5001                   127.0.0.1  > ' > ZRR82A::SYSTEM>ucx sho dev /full bg47 * > Device_socket:  bg47        Type: STREAM> >                        LOCAL                          REMOTE> >           Port:        49155                            5001< >           Host:  127.0.0.1                       127.0.0.1 >        Service:  > E >                                                             RECEIVE 	 >    SEND E >                                     Queued I/O                    0  >          0E >         Q0LEN         0             Socket buffer bytes           0  >      61440E >         QLEN          0             Socket buffer quota       61440  >      61440E >         QLIMIT        0             Total buffer alloc            0  >      69504E >         TIMEO         0             Total buffer limit       491520  >     491520E >         ERROR         0             Buffer or I/O waits           1  >      63247E >         OOBMARK       0             Buffer or I/O drops           0  >          0E >                                     I/O completed                 1  >      12404E >                                     Bytes transferred             0  > 812896140  >  >    Options:  None  >    State:    ISCONNECTED PRIV  >    RCV Buff: None  >    SND Buff: WAIT  > ' > ZRR82A::SYSTEM>ucx sho dev /full bg46 * > Device_socket:  bg46        Type: STREAM> >                        LOCAL                          REMOTE> >           Port:         5001                           49155< >           Host:  127.0.0.1                       127.0.0.1 >        Service:  > E >                                                             RECEIVE 	 >    SEND E >                                     Queued I/O                    0  >          0E >         Q0LEN         0             Socket buffer bytes           0  >          0E >         QLEN          0             Socket buffer quota       61440  >      61440E >         QLIMIT        0             Total buffer alloc            0  >          0E >         TIMEO         0             Total buffer limit       491520  >     491520E >         ERROR         0             Buffer or I/O waits           0  >          0E >         OOBMARK       0             Buffer or I/O drops           0  >          0E >                                     I/O completed             49943  >          0E >                                     Bytes transferred     903727650  >          0 >  >    Options:  None  >    State:    ISCONNECTED PRIV  >    RCV Buff: WAIT  >    SND Buff: None  > ' > ZRR82A::SYSTEM>ucx sho dev /full bg45 * > Device_socket:  bg45        Type: STREAM> >                        LOCAL                          REMOTE> >           Port:         5001                               04 >           Host:  *                               * >        Service:  > E >                                                             RECEIVE 	 >    SEND E >                                     Queued I/O                    0  >          0E >         Q0LEN         0             Socket buffer bytes           0  >          0E >         QLEN          0             Socket buffer quota       61440  >      61440E >         QLIMIT        2             Total buffer alloc            0  >          0E >         TIMEO         0             Total buffer limit       491520  >     491520E >         ERROR         0             Buffer or I/O waits           1  >          0E >         OOBMARK       0             Buffer or I/O drops           0  >          0E >                                     I/O completed                 1  >          0E >                                     Bytes transferred             0  >          0 >  >    Options:  ACCEPT  >    State:    PRIV  >    RCV Buff: None  >    SND Buff: None    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:06:05 +0000 (UTC) G From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@expires-2004-03-31.arcornews.de> 0 Subject: Re: RE: Document warehouse for/on VMS??2 Message-ID: <c3a7it$9p8$1@stubsi.arcor-online.net>  I Here is a list of commercial Document Management Systems known to run on  
 OpenVMS...   Datalogics - DL Pager # http://www.datalogics.com/pager.asp    Redwood - OutRun* http://www.redwood.com/products/outrun.htm   Sec 1.01 - Paradocs * http://www.sec101.ch/deutsch/paradocs.html0 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/sec/index.htm  - Swiftbase International > Document Management 8 http://www.swiftbase.com/applications2/document_mgr.html  : TIM -- Enterprise Content-Management- und Redaktionssystem http://www.fct.de/  & Touch Technologies, Inc. - DECdocument& http://www.ttinet.com/decdocument.html  + VTX - SP6405PF.PDF (application/pdf Object) 2 http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP6405/SP6405PF.PDF   Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg   IBM Business Services - Hannover   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:17:14 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 0 Subject: Re: RE: Document warehouse for/on VMS??L Message-ID: <K746c.38524$uUx1.13151@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  L "Keith Cayemberg" <keith.cayemberg@expires-2004-03-31.arcornews.de> wrote in4 message news:c3a7it$9p8$1@stubsi.arcor-online.net...J > Here is a list of commercial Document Management Systems known to run on > OpenVMS... >  > Datalogics - DL Pager % > http://www.datalogics.com/pager.asp  >  > Redwood - OutRun, > http://www.redwood.com/products/outrun.htm >  > Sec 1.01 - Paradocs , > http://www.sec101.ch/deutsch/paradocs.html2 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/sec/index.htm > / > Swiftbase International > Document Management : > http://www.swiftbase.com/applications2/document_mgr.html > < > TIM -- Enterprise Content-Management- und Redaktionssystem > http://www.fct.de/ > ( > Touch Technologies, Inc. - DECdocument( > http://www.ttinet.com/decdocument.html > - > VTX - SP6405PF.PDF (application/pdf Object) 4 > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP6405/SP6405PF.PDF > 	 > Cheers!  >  > Keith Cayemberg " > IBM Business Services - Hannover    H Thanks Keith. So how did a nice guy like you wind-up working for IBM and know so much about VMS?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 01:09:39 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>, Subject: Re: Document warehouse for/on VMS??) Message-ID: <40593D0A.9F233A8C@istop.com>   H > > As to storing the documents in files in a directory structure: AFAIK > DSpaceH > > stores the files outside the database, but not in any structure; theN > > structure is imposed by the indexing model in the database. The files just > > have a unique file name.  M Same with ALL-IN-1.  And the way A1 got around directory size limitations was / to spread files amongst a group do directories.   K For instance, a user would have 10 subdirectories in his own directory, and N the central mail area that stored shared documents such as emails would have aK variable number of directories depending on usage. Documents are created at < random in any of those directories, thus spreading the load.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:37:14 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)  Subject: Re: DVD writer on ES40 1 Message-ID: <KN16c.1056$MF2.652@news.cpqcorp.net>   s In article <40571fde$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>, vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) writes:   E :The "FORMAT_UNIT_COMMAND" is implemented in the dqdriver since 2000.  :Not "new".   @   I just checked the V7.3-2 source pool -- both the release and <   the current remedial stream version, too.  It's not there.  ?   If you are running certain hardware configurations, you might >   well believe the command is already available -- because of >   how the driver is implemented, the FORMAT_UNIT command will ?   work correctly on certain existing DQDRIVER versions in some  >   ATAPI configurations, and it is a command that I expect will(   fail in other hardware configurations.  =   WRITE (6), WRITE (10), WRITE (12), and MODE_SELECT (10) are ;   already implemented in current versions of DQDRIVER.  But    not FORMAT_UNIT.  9   Again, please see the DQDRIVER source code for details.   >   If you've found a different version of DQDRIVER or different:   behaviour, I'm certainly interested in knowing about it.;   I've just implemented a fix for a bug in this area -- and =   specifically for FORMAT_UNIT, and have been working within  :   DQDRIVER for a while now.  If I'm wrong here -- always a6   possibility -- please point me at the source code...    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:15:50 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)   Subject: Re: EUNICE availability0 Message-ID: <Gt16c.1055$MF2.55@news.cpqcorp.net>  h In article <8764e844.0403160519.39365b7f@posting.google.com>, fausap@libero.it (Fausto Saporito) writes: :Hello all,  : < :I saw a lot of old posts about EUNICE emulutor for VAX/VMS.  <   Eunice was a third-party UNIX emulation for OpenVMS.  It's1   not been in common/wide use for some years now.   F :I'm wondering if it's still possible to get this software, maybe with0 :the hobbyist license, running under OpenVMS 7.2  >   Eunice was not part of OpenVMS, and is not a direct part of ?   the hobbyist program -- the list of product licenses that are =   included in the hobbyist program are, of course, listed at     the hobbyist website.   F :I need to compile Franz Lisp and it's possible only under UNIX and/or :EUNICE emulation.  =   RuleWorks is an OPS-5 implementation, that's undoubtedly of =   little help if you require Franz Lisp (now Allegra?) but it ?   is available on the Freeware -- and thus matches your desired 
   pricing.  ?   There's a franz-lisp.Z available at the gnu mirrors.  Haven't    looked at that.   B   You'll want to visit franz.com, if you have not already done so.  @   I do not immediately recall having seen a Franz Lisp available>   via the Freeware, nor via the Encompass (fka DECUS) library.  >   If you find or port a version to OpenVMS (open-source), pass0   it along and I'll add it to the next Freeware.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Mar 2004 13:35:57 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)   Subject: Re: EUNICE availability3 Message-ID: <OUUZqUVO$wyT@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <8764e844.0403160519.39365b7f@posting.google.com>, fausap@libero.it (Fausto Saporito) writes: > G > I need to compile Franz Lisp and it's possible only under UNIX and/or  > EUNICE emulation.   B    There used to be a commercial Franz Lisp for VAXen running VMS.@    I don't recall the company, but you might look around for it.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 02:18:17 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")F Subject: GNU DIFF and PATCH for Alpha?  Version at crinoid won't unzip6 Message-ID: <00A2EFD4.AF3C61A4@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  	 VMSers --   M Still in my quest to get PMWIKI running, even though I haven't sorted out the O chmod 2777 problem.  (I seem to have quoted it as "chmod 777", which isn't good H enough; the CRTL doc on chmod don't seem to have a way to get into that  left hand bit.)   H It uses Unix diff and patch to identify changes in pages.  No problem, IB thought; I remember they've been ported to VMS, and went googling.   http://www.crinoid.com/utils/   N appears to have recent versions of these utilities, but the versions it servesN appear to be corrupt.  (UNZIP says there's no directory structure in them, andH that they might be partial archives.)  Tried this with both HTTP and FTP# downloads using Mozilla 1.5 on VMS.   F I tried the openoffice tools page, and it doesn't have links for those
 utilities.  , Anybody got a working version or any advice?   Thanks,    -- Alan    --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 03:32:35 GMT 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>J Subject: Re: GNU DIFF and PATCH for Alpha?  Version at crinoid won't unzip@ Message-ID: <8433448df9e808dbf3a9ddf082974ad9@news.teranews.com>  6 In article <00A2EFD4.AF3C61A4@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>,H  winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")   wrote:   J > It uses Unix diff and patch to identify changes in pages.  No problem, ID > thought; I remember they've been ported to VMS, and went googling. >  > http://www.crinoid.com/utils/  > J > appears to have recent versions of these utilities, but the versions it  > serves > appear to be corrupt.     C I've never had trouble with those links in the past, but it's been   awhile since I tried them.  . > Anybody got a working version or any advice?  I http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware50/gnudiffutils/gnudiffutils.z  ip  C http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware50/gnupatch/gnupatch.zip   E If for some reason you have trouble with those, let me know and I'll  C see what I can do.  I believe there is also a diff (but not patch)   included in GNV.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 05:12:30 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)J Subject: Re: GNU DIFF and PATCH for Alpha?  Version at crinoid won't unzip; Message-ID: <405921ae.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   K Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr (winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU) wrote: = > It uses Unix diff and patch to identify changes in pages.    ... . > Anybody got a working version or any advice?  H GNU patch and diffutils are also on the OpenVMS Freeware V5 CD, I think.- And they are at ftp://ftp.pdv-systeme.de/vms/    cu,    Martin --  D One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de J One OS to bring them all      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Mar 2004 12:18:53 -08000 From: dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter)" Subject: Re: Hang Time: 15 minutes= Message-ID: <a3c44af1.0403171218.481b8665@posting.google.com>   j Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com> wrote in message news:<78t4c.9471$Qx2.6534@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>...H > My customer (a Police 911 dispatch center) experienced an odd hang of H > their cluster a few days ago. For about 15 minutes no one was able to K > get a response on any of their terminals. Then, without any known event,  < > the situation cleared itself up. Neither system went down.J > I looked in all the application and system log files, I could think of, H > but didn't see anything unusual. This is a 2 node, Alpha cluster (DEC J > 7000; VMS Ver.V6.2) with 2, redundant HSJ disk controllers and mirrored  > disks.D > During that time one person was able to log on, but then could do < > nothing else. Everyone else was just hung on both systems.F > The only thing I could think of, that might hang a cluster and then G > resolve itself like that, is a cluster state transition. But I'm not  K > much of a sys admin, so I wonder, does that sound like a possibility, or  # > should we suspect something else?  > G > BTW: This cluster and apps have been running 24/7 for over 10 years.  E > We've had a few system crashes that *may* have been caused by some  H > Peek&Spyware, but everything has always come right back up (of course % > it's VMS:) Last reboot was in Sept.  >  > TIA   F I remember something similar happening locally, but a long time ago.  B The problem was eventually tracked down by our network people.   IB dont remember the exact details, however, It seems that a link had; some how been made between two (supposed to be) independent B networks/segments.   On the other network was a DEC node which wasE doing some kind of testing and had attached a loop-back cable.   This B resulted in the networks being flooded with loop-back messages and? literally seizing up all nodes using bridged networks (DecNet). E      In our case, I recall the problem persisting for an hour or more < while people ran round in ever decreasing circles, (with theD predictable result).  The problem did in fact go away on its own (atC least someone outside our organization (probably the guy who caused $ it), found the problem and fixed it)  +      We only learned about the cause later.    your problem may be similar.   Dave.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 02:03:26 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"): Subject: Hit counter for Apache like #Accesses SSI in OSU?6 Message-ID: <00A2EFD2.9BA44185@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  	 VMSers --   F The OSU webserver supports a hit count or accesses counter through theG preprocessor.  (When the preprocessor runs as a presentation script for J a particular page, and sees the Accesses tag, it looks up the file name inK an RMS indexed file, creates a new record if there's none there, increments I the access count, (re) writes the record, and substitutes the incremented ! access count in the output page.)   B We liked that functionality, and would like to have the equivalent functionality under CSWS.   K We've tried the MUQUIT page counter program, which returns an image with an N odometer count.  Unfortunately, it does its work based on referring URL ratherL than on filename.  Our pages are served by by the same server under multipleL aliases, and we'd like the page counts to be combined.  We'd also the serverK not to be as smart about not incrementing the page counter when the same IP O address hits the same URL a second time - we want the counter to go up whenever  the page is accessed.   J The use of the <IMG> tag is okay, although a completely compatible SSI tag would be nicer.   . Is this functionality available on CSWS (1.3)?  L (If it isn't, I suppose I can do an #exec cgi of a program which swipes the O RMS access file code from the OSU preprocessor, if I can figure out how to pass O the actual file name (as distinct from referring URL) as a parameter.  I'm just M lazily trying to avoid doing that if somebody else has already done the work, L or if there's something CSWS will do for me that I just haven't been able to find in the docs.)   Thanks,    -- Alan  --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Mar 2004 15:47:06 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)  Subject: Re: How to get username= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0403171547.25417960@posting.google.com>   Y briggs@encompasserve.org wrote in message news:<OHiG1dYjE0Jc@eisner.encompasserve.org>... 4 > [References lost -- header too long for my client]o > In article <b096a4ee.0403170726.270ca16@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:  [...] ' > > Something's happening with the "'s!  > I > Using LIB$GET_FOREIGN, one can get somewhat more direct and interesting 
 > results: >  > $ x command line here  > COMMAND LINE HERE  > $ x '" >  [many examples omitted] B > $ x '""" A quoted quote and a closing quote " and some more text > AND SOME MORE TEXTH > $ x '""""""""" Odd number = quote, quoted quotes and no trailing quote > G > $ x '"""""""""" Even number = quote, quoted quotes and trailing quote 7 > EVEN NUMBER = QUOTE, QUOTED QUOTES AND TRAILING QUOTE  > I > One could speculate that lexical analysis proceeds by first identifying I > quoted strings (and performing any requisite nested symbol substituion) J > and then by doing apostrophe substitution on the resulting command line.D > In this second pass, the quoted strings would be treated as atomic > lexical elements.  > D > The reality may be wildly different -- DCL command line parsing isE > (in my view) an extremely complex and bizarre process that attempts D > to produce a coherent result.  Any resemblance between the guts of< > the process and the results it produces may be accidental. >  > 	John Briggs  " OK, here's my second take on this:  E Gotfryd Smolik posted in this NG a trick that lets you put quotes (") > in a symbol name. He used the ampersand on the left side of anD assignment statement to achieve this. So quotation marks can be in a@ symbol name. Then the rest follows from quote vs non-quote mode.  F When you have an even number of quotes followed by a space, the symbolD name is complete and it translates as a symbol. The rest of the line2 is kept as DCL is in non-quote mode at that point.  C When you have an odd number of quotes, DCL is left in quote mode so E the remaining characters on the line are added verbatim to the symbol B name, including spaces (?!). Then the symbol name is translated to	 nullness.   E But can spaces be part of a symbol name? Let's try the Gotfryd Smolik  trick:   $ abc = "GG G"
 $ &abc = 5 $ sh sym GG*0   GG G = 5   Hex = 00000005  Octal = 00000000005 $  $ abc = "GG G""HH"
 $ &abc = 5 $ sh sym GG*0   GG G = 5   Hex = 00000005  Octal = 000000000053   GG G"HH = 5   Hex = 00000005  Octal = 00000000005  $   E Holy SYS$PETUNIAS! They can! You can have a symbol name that contains > spaces and/or quotation marks! OK, I think it makes sense now.   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:45:32 -0500 4 From: "Roert G. Schaffrath" <rschaffrath@yahoo.com>  Subject: Re: How to get username% Message-ID: <4058FF3C.565A@yahoo.com>    Michael Austin wrote:  >  > G Henry wrote: > ' > > All of you DCL experts out there...  > > F > > How do I get the username of the current logged on user?  F$user()A > > seems to just deliver the current UIC which in my case can be  > > differnet than the username  > >  > > Thanks in advance  > >  > > Gary > >  > + > $ writ sys$output f$getjpi("","USERNAME")  >  > Michael Austin  8 If you really want to have fun and dig in to VMS, searchE SYS$SYSTEM:SYS.MAP for the address of CTL$T_USERNAME.  Then pass that A address to F$FAO with an !AD directive.  Example from VMS V5.5-2:   - $ write sys$output f$fao("!AD",12,%X7FFEFE9C)  SYSTEM  F F$GETJPI is the way to go but sometimes you just want to be different!   Robert   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:01:09 -0500 , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>B Subject: Re: HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour* Message-ID: <4058aee6@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  F "Ken Robinson (spock)" <kenneth.robinson@verizonwireless.com> wrote in4 message news:04031711210280@spock.odc.vzwcorp.com... > Warren Sander wrote in part: > > E > >As it is on every page on the OpenVMS site there are the following  > >Javascripts: G > >1) hpweb_utilities.js - sets up all the style sheet classes based one browsers > >version and page themee >oK > I don't know what server you're running, but if it is Apache and you have  PHPL& > support, this could be done via PHP.  G But this is a common script for all HP.COM sites IIS, Apache, Netscape,E	 whatever.wH I am running Apache, I don't have PHP turned on right now but might have some stuff laterH in the summer that uses PHP. But I'd have to get the folks  that run the HP.COM infrastructure toJ allow and PHP version of the hpweb_utilities (and someone to code it) plus they change it all the timeAI so I'd have to make sure I didn't end out out of sync with the JS versionn > H > >2) bread.js - does the breadcrumbs at the top of the pages so I don't have" > >to hard code them on every page >l3 > Probably can be done with PHP on the server side.t  K Again if you don't see the bread crumbs I don't think any of you will 'die'l but a scriptH is a LOT better than hand coding. I've had to do some hand codeing for a couple of other sitesp I manage and it's a pain.O     >rL > >3) openvms10.js - popup survey (please take if you haven't already and be > >kind but firm)n > 9 > I have pop-up turned off at work ... I'll never see it.e >hI Yes having pop-ups turned off kills the survey. haveing javascript turnedn off kills the surveyD having cookies turned off kills the survey. I guest folks that allow pop-ups, javascript and cookiesnK give better positive feedback then slugs like us that don't have this stuff-
 turned on.  G I'm lobbying for a 'link' to take a satisfaction survey that would keep0$ seperate answers from the pop-up one8 but the survey owners want the randomness of the survey.  K Besides if you had pop-ups, cookies and javascript you only had a 2% chancen2 of getting the survey when it was on the home pageK now it's on every page but the home page but still set at 2%. It's supposedn< to be at 10% or 20% but they haven't made the requested editL of their error after several requests. But don't worry if you ever get asked? about it then you get a 180 day cookie and it doesn't come backl$ until you delete the HP_EBUS cookie.      J > >4) print.js - makes the 'print version' link work again so I don't have to > >hard code on every page > G > This can be replaced with a properly done CSS file and link statemente
 specifying* > that it should be used for "media=print" >-J Not really the print version goes to a script that reads the HTML page and+ using comments in the page re-formats it soHI it looks ok on a printer. It's much better than the pre-merger HP versionn, where you had to have 2 copies of every pageK index.html and index_print.html etc. I do think a lot of work went into the*- print version script and it works nicely. TheaJ script doesn't need javascript to function only the way I give it the page/ to do a print version of [ie document.location] J if you don't have javascript turned on and want a 'printable' version then put in: 6 http://www.hp.com/cgi-bin/pf-new.cgi?IN=http://url [ieA http://www.hp.com/cgi-bin/pf-new.cgi?IN=http://h71000.www7.hp.com-  D > >5) omniture - client side metrics [All HP sites should have this]K > >6) liveperson - impliments those pop-up 'do you want to talk to someone'a > >boxes >7 > See above.  J No PHP won't work for these. They are javascripts that tickle remote sitesK to store metrics information. The corporation went with client site metricshH because when we tried to do a server side implimentation it was taking 2F days to roll-up 1 days metrics. And that was just the Compaq.com side.G No it wasn't running on Alpha systems but we still had way too much log L information in too many formats to attempt to smoosh it all together to comeK up with a corporate view. The client side metrics work much better for thatsF type of info even with some shortfalls that server site metrics handle better.m     >n > Ken Robinson< > OpenVMS System Manager and part time web desiger/developer7 > kenneth (dot) robinson (at) verizonwireless (dot) comp   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 01:15:49 -0500S* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>B Subject: Re: HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour) Message-ID: <40593E7C.E836D49F@istop.com>n   warren sander wrote:G > as for the style sheets. they are defined in a javascript and use the  > 'theme' the set things up.  G Why ? First of all, those who have javascript disabled but style sheetscJ enabled don't get any of this. Secondly, it is not very good documentationK when users rtry to debug why HP's pages don't render well on their browser.e  C Hiding the style sheets under hidden javascript is not a good idea.a   Why not use the standard HTML ?4  : <LINK href="mystyle.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css">   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 01:22:38 -0500a* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>( Subject: Re: License Pak move to Itanium) Message-ID: <40594014.11012B40@istop.com>e   Charlie Hammond wrote:? > From what I hear, the licensing model for OpenVMS I64 will beYA > signifcantly different from Alpha and VAX.  The differences mayw2 > address at least some of the issues raised here.  K It isn't so much the differences in licencing that are the problem, but howdL easy and costly it will be for customers to migrate their existing licences.   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Mar 2004 11:14:57 -0800' From: terwong@rogers.com (Terence Wong)u3 Subject: Re: mail program example for reading mailsn= Message-ID: <5ff20ebd.0403171114.56182112@posting.google.com>-   Hi Guys,  5 Thanks very much for the assistance.  Really helpful.a   Regards, Terence.   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Mar 2004 02:58:33 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.come Subject: Re: Movies cut on VMS, Message-ID: <c3b38p01pbk@enews3.newsguy.com>   VAXman- wrote:M > I recently purchased the new iLife because I wanted GarageBand.  This is anrL > excellent piece of software and was worth the $49.00 alone.  I purchased aM > USB/MIDI keyboard to use with it as well.  I've used my GarageBand to cut aoL > radio announcement segue with my DECtalk for AuralMoon.com and I'm working > on serveral more.  f  J While iPhoto was what made iLife '04 worth it for me (you wouldn't believeJ how slow the old version was on a G5 2x2), GarageBand turned out to be oneH of the most intrigueing and fun to use pieces of software I've seen in aL long time.  I ended up getting a USB MIDI adaptor and the GarageBand JamPackK to use with it.  Now if I could just find the time to play with it more....g   		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:42:27 +0100D& From: Bernard Giroud <bgiroud@free.fr>* Subject: Re: ncurses support for ovms ????' Message-ID: <4058B833.2E4CCF5D@free.fr>r   Nom de Plume a crit :  C > > AFAIR, ncurses has more differences to curses than just cbreak.e@ > > We (Credit Lyonnais (Switzerland) SA) made a port of ncurses8 > > some time ago. But it was never put into production. > > C > > If you are interested, I can make available the port w've done.  > >- >-D > If this port for OVMS 7.3-2?  Can you post a link so that the user8 > community with an interest in ncurses may download it? >p > JMOD  ? No. The port was done (and is still) under 7.3-1. But the build- environment uses GNV.S  G I'll post the link as soon as I have a kit ready; give us a few days...c   -- Bernard Giroud! Open Source COBOL Tools DeveloperS   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 14:22:17 +0800 @ From: Tim Sneddon <first-initiallastname@bsddotinfomedia.com.au>* Subject: Re: ncurses support for ovms ????( Message-ID: <4059401b$1@post.usenet.com>  > **** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com ****   Thierry Dussuet wrote:B > curses is supported on OpenVMS, although it seems cbreak is not.F > You could put this in one of your included .h-files to make it work: > = > #if defined(VMS) || defined(__convex__) || defined(sequent)g > #if !defined(cbreak) > #define cbreak crmodeg > #endif > #endif >   . This would be good for OpenVMS VAX, however...  F On OpenVMS Alpha V7.0 and higher the [no]cbreak() function is avaiableA if you add "/DEFINE=_BSD44_CURSES" to your CC command and includeI <curses.h>.x  D See Chapter 6.1 entitled "Using the BSD-Based Curses Package" of theD "Compaq C Run-Time Library Reference Mnaual for OpenVMS Systems" for more information.v  G I got a copy of the BSD manual it references at http://www.FreeBSD.org/eH I don't remember the specific URL, but it is under the 4.4BSD documents  in the documentation section.    > (got this from: E > http://www.stsci.edu/ftp/software/gopher-client/gopher/CURcurses.h)  >  > HTH  > 	 > Thierry   
 Regards, Tim.     F -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=D  *** Usenet.com - The #1 Usenet Newsgroup Service on The Planet! ***+                       http://www.usenet.com E Unlimited Download - 19 Seperate Servers - 90,000 groups - Uncensored0F -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Mar 2004 13:47:10 -08002 From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb), Subject: New ENCOMPASS group meeting (NCLUG)= Message-ID: <bf98c417.0403171347.16ee0d4e@posting.google.com>   E I am pleased to announce that the first meeting of the North Carolina F ENCOMPASS chapter (NCLUG) will take place on Tuesday, April 6th, 2004.   Meeting location:     	 HP Office  15501 Weston Parkway, Suite 150  Cary, NC 27513   WWWebb   ========================! William W. Webb- EMS Operations,   OpenVMS Systems Support % USPS DSSC Annex - 4730 Hargrove Road  / Raleigh, NC 27616-2874 919.325.7508 Opt 7 Opt 4  * * * -    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Mar 2004 14:07:01 -08002 From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb)1 Subject: New ENCOMPASS group meeting (NCLUG) TIME6= Message-ID: <bf98c417.0403171407.6ff40285@posting.google.com>   E I am pleased to announce that the first meeting of the North CarolinaoF ENCOMPASS chapter (NCLUG) will take place on Tuesday, April 6th, 2004.   Meeting location:     	 HP Office  15501 Weston Parkway, Suite 150  Cary, NC 27513   WWWebb   Uh, meeting time:  7:00 PM   :^)    ========================! William W. Webb- EMS Operations,   OpenVMS Systems Support % USPS DSSC Annex - 4730 Hargrove Road  / Raleigh, NC 27616-2874 919.325.7508 Opt 7 Opt 4  * * * -    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 23:07:37 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)4 Subject: perhaps on-topic: Google can't find a page!$ Message-ID: <c3alnp$70l$1@online.de>  B I have the OSU web server doing some multi-homing (i.e. different H domains, same IP address) on my hobbyist cluster.  So far, so good, and B everything seems to work fine.  However, a page which has been in H existence for 3 weeks or so isn't visible to Google (which I've checked F regularly) (nor to some other search engines, which I haven't checked G that often), even though I explicitly asked Google to index it after a   couple of weeks.  B I have another page, which has been around for years but which is H modified regularly, which has a link to the new page.  This old page is I easily found by Google.  It is being served by the web server running on E$ another port, NOT doing multihoming.  G Google isn't in the access log of the domain in question.  However, it  I DOES appear regularly (every 3--5 days) in the default access log of the  G web server, which one gets into if one types in the IP address instead   of one of the domains.  ? Thus, it seems the following is happening: Google has the URL,  G translates it to get an IP address, accesses the web server via the IP e& address, and then can't find the page.   I can't prove this though.  E Is there a problem with Google reaching pages on multi-homed servers?   / There is no restriction in the robots.txt file.   I Based on what other pages of mine Google has indexed, I don't see why it 1 shouldn't index this new page.  5 Is there a contact at Google for questions like this?    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 00:17:55 GMT 2 From: "Ken Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com>8 Subject: Re: perhaps on-topic: Google can't find a page!9 Message-ID: <TU56c.46$Rr5.38801@twister.southeast.rr.com>   L "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>/ wrote in message news:c3alnp$70l$1@online.de...-C > I have the OSU web server doing some multi-homing (i.e. differentUI > domains, same IP address) on my hobbyist cluster.  So far, so good, andeC > everything seems to work fine.  However, a page which has been inaI > existence for 3 weeks or so isn't visible to Google (which I've checked G > regularly) (nor to some other search engines, which I haven't checked H > that often), even though I explicitly asked Google to index it after a > couple of weeks. >nC > I have another page, which has been around for years but which istI > modified regularly, which has a link to the new page.  This old page isoJ > easily found by Google.  It is being served by the web server running on& > another port, NOT doing multihoming. >eH > Google isn't in the access log of the domain in question.  However, itJ > DOES appear regularly (every 3--5 days) in the default access log of theH > web server, which one gets into if one types in the IP address instead > of one of the domains. >e@ > Thus, it seems the following is happening: Google has the URL,H > translates it to get an IP address, accesses the web server via the IP( > address, and then can't find the page. >o > I can't prove this though. >4G > Is there a problem with Google reaching pages on multi-homed servers?y  A Google has no problem with my virtual servers, over a half dozen.e  H I don't have a clue how Google works.  I can tell you they rake my sites: multiple times daily along with many other search engines.   Ken    -- Kenneth Farmer OpenVMS.org/   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:15:11 GMTo# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) / Subject: Re: Sharing a socket between processesp1 Message-ID: <P546c.1082$BT2.651@news.cpqcorp.net>s  Z In article <1Y26c.1070$fF2.378@news.cpqcorp.net>, Greg Zymbaluk <greg@no.spam.com> writes: :Greetings,2 :cG :I am trying to share a socket between 2 processes, the parent process sG :accept()s socket connections and then passes those socket connections t< :off to a child process which services the client's request. :P& :I've got everything working except... ..  @   There's a code example in Ask The Wizard (3995), and also see 9   (2474) for some related details, examples, and options.K  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comt   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 02:00:10 GMTe# From: Joe Bloggs <JBloggs@acme.com>t  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?8 Message-ID: <7d0i50dvdfiefhmb73m30llv1i3ibne4i4@4ax.com>  3 On 15 Mar 2004 14:41:15 -0800,  (PhilThayer) wrote:   K >> > Doesn't surprise me.  Due to FMS (Foreign Military Sales) restrictions G >> > you probably have the older version of the AWACS which was on UNX.r >> > The latest is on VMS. >> hM >> If I remember correctly, it had been VMS originally (or my defense buddies & >> tell me - and they generally know). >dF >Very True.  The originla AWACS platform used VMS and was later portedD >to UNIX.  It perfomed so miserably that they are now moving back to >VMS.-   I'm curious,    3 1,   which UNIX(es), and which hardware platorm(s)?f  8 2,  which (defense) contractor did the implementation ? 5       (if you can even say, or allude to/drop a hint)e   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 03:53:36 GMTe# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>M  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?H Message-ID: <4396c.39541$TxJ.31966@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  0 "Joe Bloggs" <JBloggs@acme.com> wrote in message2 news:7d0i50dvdfiefhmb73m30llv1i3ibne4i4@4ax.com...5 > On 15 Mar 2004 14:41:15 -0800,  (PhilThayer) wrote:i > @ > >> > Doesn't surprise me.  Due to FMS (Foreign Military Sales) restrictionsI > >> > you probably have the older version of the AWACS which was on UNX.i > >> > The latest is on VMS. > >>G > >> If I remember correctly, it had been VMS originally (or my defensel buddies ( > >> tell me - and they generally know). > >(H > >Very True.  The originla AWACS platform used VMS and was later portedF > >to UNIX.  It perfomed so miserably that they are now moving back to > >VMS.R >R > I'm curious, >t5 > 1,   which UNIX(es), and which hardware platorm(s)?I > 9 > 2,  which (defense) contractor did the implementation ?i7 >       (if you can even say, or allude to/drop a hint)t    J If they kept the VAX hardware when they ported to unix, then the choice ofK unix probably would have been Ultrix or some Berkeley distribution. If they-@ switched hardware, then who knows what flavor of unix they used.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 03:03:05 GMTn% From: Roger Ivie <rivie@ridgenet.net>pE Subject: Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CDn3 Message-ID: <slrnc5i4b9.b2s.rivie@Stench.no.domain>H  C In article <c3a475$fvh$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk wrote:-L > A long time ago I read something that the size of a CD image should be in G > multiples of 48 blocks (don't remember why). In this case 34824 is a 5 > multiple of  > 24, so maybe it was 24 ??0  # CD-ROM sectors contain 2,048 bytes.a -- l
 Roger Ivie rivie@ridgenet.net3 (Rated a Category 10 Forth-Hater in the Fox scheme)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:56:36 +0100o" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>" Subject: [OT?] Internet Appliances. Message-ID: <c3ae26$2psj$1@biggoron.nerim.net>  K I heared today for the first time the expression "Internet Appliances" and uI Google gives me thousand of pages on this, without explaining what it is.p  4 Could someone share some light on that concept, pls?   Thanks,    D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:12:36 GMTe0 From: glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>& Subject: Re: [OT?] Internet Appliances- Message-ID: <8b36c.31399$SR1.37490@attbi_s04>d   Didier Morandi wrote:l  I > I heared today for the first time the expression "Internet Appliances" eI > and Google gives me thousand of pages on this, without explaining what p > it is.  6 > Could someone share some light on that concept, pls?  7 There is a Korean company selling an internet connectede9 refrigerator.  I believe with a flat panel video display,i; so you can do web searches.  It might even have the abilityD5 to order food from your favorite supermarket web sitee when you are getting low.    -- glend   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 02:23:16 GMTu2 From: "Ken Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com>& Subject: Re: [OT?] Internet Appliances9 Message-ID: <oK76c.77$Rr5.52111@twister.southeast.rr.com>p  / "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> wrote in message ( news:c3ae26$2psj$1@biggoron.nerim.net...L > I heared today for the first time the expression "Internet Appliances" andK > Google gives me thousand of pages on this, without explaining what it is.r > 6 > Could someone share some light on that concept, pls?   That's a moving target.g  h http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&client=REAL-tb&q=%22internet+appliance%22+definition&spell=1   Watch wrap.d  J I've seen it used to describe email servers, thin clients, network storage; and even literal appliances like a refrigerator or toaster.A   Kenn   -- Kenneth Farmer <>< OpenVMS.org,   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 01:29:38 -0500e* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>& Subject: Re: [OT?] Internet Appliances( Message-ID: <405941B8.C6D0397@istop.com>  M One definition is a small wintel box running only explorer and outlook. ThinkFF of what internet cafs provide and you have an example of that type of "internet appliance".   L EG: a box that runs only a web browser and email program (and in some cases, just the browser).   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.152 ************************