1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 18 Mar 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 153       Contents:+ Re: ANN: bison 1.35 and flex 2.5.4a for GNV + Re: ANN: bison 1.35 and flex 2.5.4a for GNV + Re: ANN: bison 1.35 and flex 2.5.4a for GNV + Re: ANN: bison 1.35 and flex 2.5.4a for GNV " Cluster hang -- Getting Crash Dump CSR mapping  Re: CSR mapping ! Re: Displaying TCP socket options  Re: DVD writer on ES40 Re: FTP NT->VMS  Re: FTP NT->VMS A Re: GNU DIFF and PATCH for Alpha?  Version at crinoid won't unzip 3 Re: Help - Pathworks & Windows 2000 Advanced Server 5 RE: Hit counter for Apache like #Accesses SSI in OSU? / How do I tell if my Alpha is a L1 or L2 router? 9 Re: HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour 9 Re: HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour " Re: HP's emails blocked by spamcop IA64 version of SETI for VMS ? Re: Java on OpenVMS question# Re: Keyboard and the NewVMS desktop # RE: Keyboard and the NewVMS desktop # Re: Keyboard and the NewVMS desktop  Re: License Pak move to Itanium   Message-ID ??? How to replicate?$ Re: Message-ID ??? How to replicate?0 OpenVMS 7.1 VAX and IBM DDYS 18.2GB disk problem" Pathworks Current versions/product/ Re: perhaps on-topic: Google can't find a page! # Re: Postal mail sorting application # Re: Postal mail sorting application # Re: Postal mail sorting application # Re: Postal mail sorting application # Re: Postal mail sorting application C Reading binary data from DBMS DBO /SHOW STATISTICS /OUTPUT=file.bin  Server hang - compute bound & Re: SSH, X11 forwarding and TCPIP V5.4 Re: Toys R Us and VMS ? / VMS 5.5-2 disk size limitations on VAX 4000-200 3 Re: VMS 5.5-2 disk size limitations on VAX 4000-200 3 Re: VMS 5.5-2 disk size limitations on VAX 4000-200 3 RE: VMS 5.5-2 disk size limitations on VAX 4000-200 < Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CD< Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CD< Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CD Re: [OT?] Internet Appliances  Re: [OT?] Internet Appliances  Re: [OT?] Internet Appliances   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:47:13 +0300 : From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev{at}DeltaTelecom{dot}RU>4 Subject: Re: ANN: bison 1.35 and flex 2.5.4a for GNV3 Message-ID: <976657863764C1AF29A3FEF9AF71AFCC@nntp>    Hello !   K > http://www.oooovms.dyndns.org/gnv/flex/GNV-AXPVMS-FLEX-V0205-4-1_PCSI.ZIP  Portion done: 0%...30%...50%   %PCSI-E-OPENIN, error opening E DISK$OVMSAXP:[SYS2.SYSCOMMON.][GNV.USR.LOCAL.BIN]FLEX^+^+.;* as input / -RMS-E-FND, ACP file or directory lookup failed + -SYSTEM-W-BADFILENAME, bad file name syntax " %PCSI-E-OPFAILED, operation failedE Terminating is strongly recommended.  Do you want to terminate? [YES]      --  F + WBR, OpenVMS [Sys|Net] HardWorker .................................+D Delta Telecom Inc., NMT-450i, IMT-MC-450(CDMA2000) cellular operatorE Russia,191119,St.Petersburg,Transportny per. 3 Cel: +7 (812) 116-3222 F +http://starlet.deltatelecom.ru ............. Frying on OpenVMS only +   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:22:55 +0100 - From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de> 4 Subject: Re: ANN: bison 1.35 and flex 2.5.4a for GNV9 Message-ID: <c3bppi$1ub75c$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>    Ruslan R. Laishev wrote:L >> http://www.oooovms.dyndns.org/gnv/flex/GNV-AXPVMS-FLEX-V0205-4-1_PCSI.ZIP >> Portion done: 0%...30%...50%  >  > %PCSI-E-OPENIN, error opening G > DISK$OVMSAXP:[SYS2.SYSCOMMON.][GNV.USR.LOCAL.BIN]FLEX^+^+.;* as input 1 > -RMS-E-FND, ACP file or directory lookup failed - > -SYSTEM-W-BADFILENAME, bad file name syntax $ > %PCSI-E-OPFAILED, operation failedG > Terminating is strongly recommended.  Do you want to terminate? [YES]   , Does DISK$OVMSAXP: have an ODS-5 filesystem?- Did you $ SET PROCESS /PARSE_STYLE=EXTENDED ?    cu,    Martin --  @   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de F    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:24:10 +0300 : From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev{at}DeltaTelecom{dot}RU>4 Subject: Re: ANN: bison 1.35 and flex 2.5.4a for GNV3 Message-ID: <EAA7B85D28C824298CE285778B8B894C@nntp>    Martin Vorlaender wrote:   > Ruslan R. Laishev wrote: > L >>>http://www.oooovms.dyndns.org/gnv/flex/GNV-AXPVMS-FLEX-V0205-4-1_PCSI.ZIP >>>Portion done: 0%...30%...50%  >> >>%PCSI-E-OPENIN, error opening G >>DISK$OVMSAXP:[SYS2.SYSCOMMON.][GNV.USR.LOCAL.BIN]FLEX^+^+.;* as input 1 >>-RMS-E-FND, ACP file or directory lookup failed - >>-SYSTEM-W-BADFILENAME, bad file name syntax $ >>%PCSI-E-OPFAILED, operation failedG >>Terminating is strongly recommended.  Do you want to terminate? [YES]  >  > . > Does DISK$OVMSAXP: have an ODS-5 filesystem? 	No, of course.   / > Did you $ SET PROCESS /PARSE_STYLE=EXTENDED ?  	No. >  > cu, 
 >   Martin   --  F + WBR, OpenVMS [Sys|Net] HardWorker .................................+D Delta Telecom Inc., NMT-450i, IMT-MC-450(CDMA2000) cellular operatorE Russia,191119,St.Petersburg,Transportny per. 3 Cel: +7 (812) 116-3222 F +http://starlet.deltatelecom.ru ............. Frying on OpenVMS only +   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:42:44 +0100 - From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de> 4 Subject: Re: ANN: bison 1.35 and flex 2.5.4a for GNV9 Message-ID: <c3buf7$25tfc3$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>    Ruslan R. Laishev wrote: > Martin Vorlaender wrote: >> Ruslan R. Laishev wrote:  >>>>I http://www.oooovms.dyndns.org/gnv/flex/GNV-AXPVMS-FLEX-V0205-4-1_PCSI.ZIP ! >>>> Portion done: 0%...30%...50%  >>> ! >>> %PCSI-E-OPENIN, error opening C >>> DISK$OVMSAXP:[SYS2.SYSCOMMON.][GNV.USR.LOCAL.BIN]FLEX^+^+.;* as 	 >>> input 3 >>> -RMS-E-FND, ACP file or directory lookup failed / >>> -SYSTEM-W-BADFILENAME, bad file name syntax & >>> %PCSI-E-OPFAILED, operation failedC >>> Terminating is strongly recommended.  Do you want to terminate? 	 >>> [YES]  >>/ >> Does DISK$OVMSAXP: have an ODS-5 filesystem?  > No, of course. > 0 >> Did you $ SET PROCESS /PARSE_STYLE=EXTENDED ? > No.   = Then you're out of luck, I'd suppose. That's what I think the 1 "...for GNV" in the announcement really is about.    cu,    Martin --  @   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de F    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Mar 2004 09:29:40 -08000 From: dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter)+ Subject: Cluster hang -- Getting Crash Dump = Message-ID: <a3c44af1.0403180929.2b8dac62@posting.google.com>   A In the past month, I have had two occasions when my (2-node ES40, E OVMS731)cluster has hung.     All of the symptoms point to a probable ? Quorum Hang, (quite possible since I don't have a Quorum Disk), F however there are some indications that this might not be the case.   * (Note: VOTES = 1 each, EXPECTED_VOTES = 1)  7 1.    Neither node crashed.  (so no quorum loss there). F 2.    The cluster uses two fully independent GB ethernet interconnects@ (switches), which are private and do not connect to the network.D 3.    My other cluster, (which uses the same interconnect (i.e. same- pair of switches) was unaffected by the hang. F 4.    On examination, (i.e. after driving in from home to take care ofC the problem), all link lights are green on the GB Switches.    This D would seem to rule out the interconnects as the source of any quorum@ loss.    And even if they did somehow, simultaneously lose theirC connection and cause a loss of quorum, would quorum not be restored , when the interconnect links reestablished???  A       I would really appreciate any comments/suggestions here.    E (Please dont start berating me about the lack of a Quorum Disk unless C you think it would have avoided this problem, and can explain why).   C      On a second, equally important issue.    In order to break the < hang I had to HALT the nodes (one at a time with Cntrl/P).  ? (Comment:: Again, with the votes set as above, this should have 3 released the hang on the other node,  it didn't!!).   F      Because the nodes were HALTed, they didn't automatically generateB a Crash Dump, so I dont have any thing to diagnose with (Error Log@ contains no indications of problems, neither does Operator.log).  F      The crash dump file SYSDUMP.DMP is set up off the system disk, on@ an internal drive, (and is correctly set up in sysgen and at the console level).   C HOW CAN I FORCE A DUMP AFTER I AM AT THE "P00>>" CONSOLE PROMPT ???   F      I am sure that I remember being told that there is a command that? can  be entered at the "P00>>" prompt that forces a dump of the E Registers.    I would really appreciate it if anyone can give me this E information.     This is probably more important to me than the cause @ of the hang since, at the moment, I have nowhere to go except toC endlessly analyse the symptoms in my head, (this leads to insanity,  ultimately).  D      The only other information I can think of which might be useful> is to mention that I am running the Cerner Millennium Clinical! Application, with Oracle 8.1.7.4.    Thanks   Dave.    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Mar 2004 13:31:39 GMT0 From: Chip Coldwell <coldwell@frank.harvard.edu> Subject: CSR mapping/ Message-ID: <c3c8br$dm6$1@news.fas.harvard.edu>   F OK, here's yet another question for the kernel gurus.  In "Creating anE OpenVMS Alpha Device Driver from an OpenVMS VAX Device Driver" p. 2-3 	 one reads   C     Most drivers want to call IOC$MAP_IO immediately after they are B     loaded.  Traditionally, the correct place for a driver to call=     IOC$MAP_IO would be its controller or unit initialization E     routine.  However, because the controller and unit initialization E     routines are called at IPL$_POWER, IOC$MAP_IO cannot take out the %     MMG spinlock in this environment.   A     The new driver support feature for calling IOC$MAP_IO has two C     elements.  First, the driver may request preallocated space for F     any number of I/O Handles (the output of IOC$MAP_IO).  Second, theC     driver may name a routine that will be called in an environment %     suitable for calls to IOC$MAP_IO.   D OK, sounds good.  So I figured out that the number of I/O handles is, specified in the driver prologue table thus:  $   ini_dpt_iohandles(&driver$dpt, 3);  F (3 is the number of regions I want to map), and the "routine that willC be called in an environment suitable for calls to IOC$MAP_IO" is in 3 the csr_mapping field in the driver dispatch table:   3   ini_ddt_csr_mapping(&driver$ddt, gm$csr_mapping);   B From the system headers (ddtdef.h), I have been able to figure outF that the csr_mapping function should return an int (which I infer is a
 status code):   M    int (*ddt$ps_csr_mapping)();        /*ADDRESS OF CSR MAPPING ROUTINE    */   < What I haven't been able to figure out is what arguments the? csr_mapping function will be called with.  The "RELAXED_ANSI89" 8 standard used when compiling system code doesn't requireB function-pointer declarations to fully specify argument lists, andF every function-pointer declaration in the system headers seems to have> an empty argument list (i.e. I can't infer from the above that> csr_mapping will be a function of no arguments returning int).   Help!    TIA,   Chip   --   Charles  M. "Chip" Coldwell  "Turn on, log in, tune out"    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Mar 2004 12:02:26 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) Subject: Re: CSR mapping3 Message-ID: <XKWyIEBVXLOW@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <c3c8br$dm6$1@news.fas.harvard.edu>, Chip Coldwell <coldwell@frank.harvard.edu> writes:H > OK, here's yet another question for the kernel gurus.  In "Creating anG > OpenVMS Alpha Device Driver from an OpenVMS VAX Device Driver" p. 2-3  > one reads  >   I Since you are making a reference to this manual, I wonder if you have the H "Writing OpenVMS Alpha Device Drivers in C" book, which is the book that I used.   G Also, assuming that you are on a VMS 7.x version, you also need to read L the "Alpha Guide to Upgrading Privileged-Code Applications" which deals with: the changes for 64-bit addressing that VMS 7.x brought in.   Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       P SCO: Proudly pushing Microsoft down to #2 on the list of most disliked companies   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:07:24 +0000 (UTC) 8 From: Stephen Bainbridge <S_Bainbridge@btinternet.co.uk>* Subject: Re: Displaying TCP socket options2 Message-ID: <c3bscs$t2p$1@hercules.btinternet.com>   Matt Muggeridge wrote:J > I am not sure about SHOW DEV displaying the socket options.  However you > could try: > J >  - getsockopt() to display the socket option setting inside your programI >  - def tcpip$socket_trace 1 ! display setsockopt() call to verify it is  > being set as expected  >  > 0 >>ttcp -t -s -l 65535 -n 40000 -f M localhost -D >  > @ > BTW, the -D must come before the hostname.  So this should be: > 6 >     $ ttcp -t -s -l 65535 -n 40000 -f M -D localhost >  > Matt.  >    Thanks for that Matt.   B Perhaps the TCPIP SHOW DEV command should be enhanced to show all  enabled options ?    Regards, Steve    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Mar 2004 10:13:46 +0100C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann)  Subject: Re: DVD writer on ES40 - Message-ID: <4059684a$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>   F In article <KN16c.1056$MF2.652@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes: > . >In article <40571fde$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>,F >vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) writes: >F >:The "FORMAT_UNIT_COMMAND" is implemented in the dqdriver since 2000. >:Not "new". > A >  I just checked the V7.3-2 source pool -- both the release and  = >  the current remedial stream version, too.  It's not there.  > @ >  If you are running certain hardware configurations, you might? >  well believe the command is already available -- because of  ? >  how the driver is implemented, the FORMAT_UNIT command will  @ >  work correctly on certain existing DQDRIVER versions in some ? >  ATAPI configurations, and it is a command that I expect will ) >  fail in other hardware configurations.  > > >  WRITE (6), WRITE (10), WRITE (12), and MODE_SELECT (10) are< >  already implemented in current versions of DQDRIVER.  But >  not FORMAT_UNIT.   J Ah, now I do understand, what you mean! I thought that you said that it isI impossible to send FORMAT_UNIT commands. All those recording commands are I possible in IO_DIAGNOSE mode (I call it "raw" I/O.). Your plan is write a I dqdriver that accepts initialisation on DCL level for Rewritables, right?   A This approach is not very attractive. You can see this on Windoze 
 platforms:  F All drivers that use Rewritables as normal "disks" are unreliable. TheF usual opinion is "don't use it and uninstall it as quick as possible".  I DVD+-RW are erasable only upto 1000 times (and I have media here that are . unusable after 20 cycles of erasing+writing!).  J I prefer DVD-RAM. 100,000 times erasing+writing. Automatic verification ofH the written data. The verification process for DVD+-R(W) must be done byJ hand (DVDwrite has this feature just for that reason.). A loss of data forD a Vidoo-DVD means one strange picture on your screen, but it will be fatal for you archived data.  J The LG-burner drives (my newest is a GSA-4081B)  do a very good job. Fast,I Plus-Minus- and RAM-media are usable and if you like you can burn it with  8x.    Eberhard   > : >  Again, please see the DQDRIVER source code for details. > ? >  If you've found a different version of DQDRIVER or different ; >  behaviour, I'm certainly interested in knowing about it. < >  I've just implemented a fix for a bug in this area -- and> >  specifically for FORMAT_UNIT, and have been working within ; >  DQDRIVER for a while now.  If I'm wrong here -- always a 7 >  possibility -- please point me at the source code...  >  > 1 > ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h>  >-----------------------------2 >    For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- >www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq3 > --------------------------- pure personal opinion  >---------------------------F >        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 14:05:55 GMT + From: Hans Blom <hans.blom@teliasonera.com>  Subject: Re: FTP NT->VMS@ Message-ID: <652bd33c8670420fc079637996b88fdd@news.teranews.com>  1 MS Win 2k SP3/ Alpha OpenVMS 7.3-1/ucx5.3 - eco 3  Same behaviour.    Hans   Didier Morandi wrote:  > Julien Rossignol wrote:  > I >> I am trying to get a file from an OPEN-VMS system through a Windows NT  >> system with FTP. ; >> Everything is right until I actually get the file on NT.  >>E >> Here are the commands I type in FTP once I am logged into the FTP   >> server on >> VMS:  >> >> bin >> mget *.*; >>@ >> When I get the file on the Windows side, the file appears as: >> >> SYS$SYSROOT >> >> and it is empty.  >>F >> This problem doesn't occur when I get one file at a time with "get" >> >> Any suggestions?  >  > G > Yes. I read that thread, then I did the same test and I got the same   > result you got:  > D > Windows XP Pro SP1 / VMS 7.3-2 Alpha, DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for  > OpenVMS 5.1-15 > K > I did a mget *.com from sys$manager, then answered Y for A.COM (who does  5 > not have a a.com file in his default directory???).  > " > I got an empty SYS$SYSROOT file. >  > D. >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 17:05:38 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>  Subject: Re: FTP NT->VMS8 Message-ID: <95lj501ts80osualth955f6medd6tjj5kj@4ax.com>  G On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 09:01:53 +0100, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote:     Q >Windows XP Pro SP1 / VMS 7.3-2 Alpha, DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS 5.1-15   O Is that version of TCP/IP a typo? If not it's surely time for an upgrade before , going any further running down this problem.   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:24:50 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")J Subject: Re: GNU DIFF and PATCH for Alpha?  Version at crinoid won't unzip6 Message-ID: <00A2F007.E38C3BFF@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  y In article <8433448df9e808dbf3a9ddf082974ad9@news.teranews.com>, "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler> writes: 7 >In article <00A2EFD4.AF3C61A4@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, I > winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")   > wrote: > K >> It uses Unix diff and patch to identify changes in pages.  No problem, I E >> thought; I remember they've been ported to VMS, and went googling.  >>    >> http://www.crinoid.com/utils/ >>  K >> appears to have recent versions of these utilities, but the versions it  	 >> serves  >> appear to be corrupt.   > D >I've never had trouble with those links in the past, but it's been  >awhile since I tried them.  > / >> Anybody got a working version or any advice?  > J >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware50/gnudiffutils/gnudiffutils.z >ip  > D >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware50/gnupatch/gnupatch.zip > F >If for some reason you have trouble with those, let me know and I'll D >see what I can do.  I believe there is also a diff (but not patch)  >included in GNV.      Thanks very much!     J (Curiously, I went and scanned the freeware links before posting, and just/ totally failed to see these directories there.)    -- Alan    --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:44:29 +0000 % From: David Gray <police@spamcop.net> < Subject: Re: Help - Pathworks & Windows 2000 Advanced Server8 Message-ID: <gr2j505fhtutiffrd0s19v1utp5sr2if8h@4ax.com>  	 Hi Paul,      Here is the info you asked for.      >Sanity check time :)    Lost mine ages ago ;-)       >On Jerry, do: >  >$ admin >  >does the prompt change to:  >  >    EXTENZA-W1\\JERRY>  >  >or  >  >    TURPINS-WM\\JERRY>    EXTENZA-W1\\JERRY>     >Exit ADMIN and do:  >  >$ DIR PWRK$LMDOMAINS: > 4 >is the file there named EXTENZA-W1. or TURPINS-WM.?& Directory PWRK$LMROOT:[LANMAN.DOMAINS]    15MAR200410454514.DIR;1 ?                       0.50KB/2KB        15-MAR-2004 10:45:45.15  15MAR200412561182.DIR;1 ?                       0.50KB/2KB        15-MAR-2004 12:56:11.83 ? EXTENZA-W1.;1          464KB/464KB      15-MAR-2004 12:56:13.58     Total of 3 files, 465KB/468KB 
 XDS_JERRY>        L >See if there's a machine account for JERRY in the TURPINS-WM domain.  Note:J >if JERRY is a member of an OpenVMS cluster, the machine account for JERRYL >will not be JERRY; instead, the account name will match the Advanced Server >cluster alias name:  C JERRY is not a member of a cluster, DATABASE01 is part of a Windows D cluster and is the domain TURPINS-WM.   I'm not really sure what youE mean about the machine name, I've looked in the cluster administrator B on DATABASE01 and JERRY is not listed.   The only names listed are: DATBASE01 & DATABASE02, the latter being a failover node.     % >    $ ADMIN LOGON /DOMAIN=TURPINS-WM   >    Username: <admin-acct-name> >    Password:  * EXTENZA-W1\\JERRY> logon/domain=TURPINS-WM Username: administrator 	 Password: D The server \\DATABASE01 successfully logged you on as Administrator.3 Your privilege level on domain TURPINS-WM is ADMIN. 2 The last time you logged on was 03/18/04 10:09 AM.   ; %PWRK-E-DCNOTFND, cannot find Primary Domain Controller for  "TURPINS-WM" TURPINS-WM\\DATABASE01>   ; TURPINS-WM\\DATABASE01> show computers /type=domain_members ; %PWRK-E-DCNOTFND, cannot find Primary Domain Controller for  "TURPINS-WM"< -PWRK-W-NODOMOPRPOS, domain-wide operations are not possible' %PWRK-E-NOENTFND, no entries were found     & TURPINS-WM\\DATABASE01> show computers; %PWRK-E-DCNOTFND, cannot find Primary Domain Controller for  "TURPINS-WM"< -PWRK-W-NODOMOPRPOS, domain-wide operations are not possible   ! Computers in domain "TURPINS-WM":    > Computer              Type                         Description1 --------------------  --------------------------- Q --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + [SV] APPLICATION01    Windows NT 5.0 Server + [SV] APPLICATION02    Windows NT 5.0 Server + [SV] BKUPEXECVRS      Windows NT 5.0 Server , [PD] DATABASE01       Windows NT 5.0 Primary+ [BD] DATABASE02       Windows NT 5.0 Backup + [SV] WMCLUSTER        Windows NT 5.0 Server       Total of 6 computers      . >    $ ADMIN SHOW COMPUTER/TYPE=DOMAIN_MEMBERS > 5 >Is JERRY (or the AS cluster alias name) in the list?  > K >Is there a trust between these two domains (if one-way, which way)?  Since = >you're logged into the TURPINS-WM domain, check there first:  >  >    $ ADMIN SHOW TRUSTS >   " TURPINS-WM\\DATABASE01> show trust; %PWRK-E-DCNOTFND, cannot find Primary Domain Controller for  "TURPINS-WM"    TURPINS-WM\\DATABASE01>   " TURPINS-WM\\DATABASE01> show admin Administration information:    , The domain being administered is: TURPINS-WM2 The domain controller for the domain is: (unknown)( The domain controller type is: (unknown)   , The server being administered is: DATABASE01" The server type is: Windows NT 5.0    The user name is: ADMINISTRATOR F The user is logged on to domain TURPINS-WM and has been authenticated.3 The user's privilege level on this domain is: ADMIN < The user's workstation is JERRY and is in domain EXTENZA-W1.         5 >then login to the EXTENZA-W1 domain and check there:  > $ >    $ ADMIN LOGON/DOMAIN=EXTENZA-W1 >    Username: >    Password: >  >    $ ADMIN SHOW TRUSTS     EXTENZA-W1\\JERRY> show trust    % Domains trusted by domain EXTENZA-W1:      TURPIN, TURPINS-WM   - Domains permitted to trust domain EXTENZA-W1:      TURPIN, TURPINS-WM     EXTENZA-W1\\JERRY> show admin     Administration information:    , The domain being administered is: EXTENZA-W1/ The domain controller for the domain is: ZAKARY - The domain controller type is: Windows NT 4.0    ' The server being administered is: JERRY / The server type is: Advanced Server for OpenVMS     The user name is: ADMINISTRATOR F The user is logged on to domain EXTENZA-W1 and has been authenticated.3 The user's privilege level on this domain is: ADMIN < The user's workstation is JERRY and is in domain EXTENZA-W1.       > I >If a trust is involved, are you sure jerry is receiving SAM updates from M >ZAKARY regularly?  Do you see successful partial synchronizations of the SAM ) >database reflected in JERRY's event log:  > 5 >    $ ADMIN SHOW EVENT/SINCE="-10-"   ! Last 10 days   E Show event reports lots of entries for today and reports that partial - sync has been completed for the PDC ZAKARY.       ' EXTENZA-W1\\JERRY> show event/sin /full    - Events in System Event Log on server "JERRY":    < T Date     Time        Source    Category        Event  User Computer7 - -------- ----------- --------- --------------- ------ $ -------------------- ---------------; E 03/18/04 12:30:16 PM NETLOGON  None            5719   N/A  JERRY ? No domain controller is available for domain TURPINS-WM for the  following reason:  %1311  Data: -     0000: 5e 00 00 c0 00 00 00 00    ^......    ; E 03/18/04 12:29:19 PM NETLOGON  None            5719   N/A  JERRY ? No domain controller is available for domain TURPINS-WM for the  following reason:  %1311  Data: -     0000: 5e 00 00 c0 00 00 00 00    ^......    ; I 03/18/04 11:04:46 AM NETLOGON  None            5715   N/A  JERRY D The partial synchronization replication of the LSA database from the? primary domain controller \\ZAKARY completed successfully. 1 ch ( ange(s) is(are) applied to the database.   ; I 03/18/04 08:44:23 AM NETLOGON  None            5715   N/A  JERRY D The partial synchronization replication of the SAM database from the? primary domain controller \\ZAKARY completed successfully. 1 ch ( ange(s) is(are) applied to the database.   ; I 03/18/04 08:34:23 AM NETLOGON  None            5715   N/A  JERRY D The partial synchronization replication of the SAM database from the? primary domain controller \\ZAKARY completed successfully. 1 ch ( ange(s) is(are) applied to the database.   ; I 03/18/04 08:29:23 AM NETLOGON  None            5715   N/A  JERRY D The partial synchronization replication of the SAM database from the? primary domain controller \\ZAKARY completed successfully. 1 ch ( ange(s) is(are) applied to the database.   ; I 03/18/04 04:31:39 AM NETLOGON  None            5715   N/A  JERRY D The partial synchronization replication of the SAM database from the? primary domain controller \\ZAKARY completed successfully. 1 ch ( ange(s) is(are) applied to the database.   ; I 03/18/04 02:31:38 AM NETLOGON  None            5715   N/A  JERRY D The partial synchronization replication of the SAM database from the? primary domain controller \\ZAKARY completed successfully. 1 ch ( ange(s) is(are) applied to the database.   ; I 03/18/04 12:04:23 AM NETLOGON  None            5715   N/A  JERRY D The partial synchronization replication of the SAM database from the? primary domain controller \\ZAKARY completed successfully. 1 ch ( ange(s) is(are) applied to the database.      Total of 9 events         J >    If EXTENZA-W1 trusts TURPINS-WM, does JERRY know that?  To check, setL >your admin focus so you are looking into the copy of the local SAM database
 >on JERRY: >  >    $ ADMIN >    ...\\JERRY> LOGON! >    Username:  <admin-acct-name>  >    Password:' >    ...\\JERRY> DEBUG SET /FLAG=ADMBDC M >    ...\\JERRY> SET ADMIN/DOMAIN=\\JERRY  ! The double-backslash is required L >    Note: The admin prompt should change to \\JERRY\\JERRY; if not, try the >above 2 commands again :).  >   >    \\JERRY\\JERRY> SHOW TRUSTS >    \\JERRY\\JERRY> exit      EXTENZA-W1\\JERRY>) EXTENZA-W1\\JERRY> DEBUG SET /FLAG=ADMBDC    + EXTENZA-W1\\JERRY> SET ADMIN/DOMAIN=\\JERRY B %PWRK-S-ADMSET, now administering domain "\\JERRY", server "JERRY"    \\JERRY\\JERRY> show trusts    " Domains trusted by domain \\JERRY:     TURPIN, TURPINS-WM   * Domains permitted to trust domain \\JERRY:     TURPIN, TURPINS-WM       >> XDS_JERRY> admin show version >>$ >> Advanced Server V7.3A for OpenVMS        K >Unfortunately, $ admin show version is useless - it never reflects the ECO : >installed, if any; to find the true version you must use: > ( >    $ @sys$startup:pwrk$define_commands >  >    $ pwver    , XDS_JERRY> @sys$startup:pwrk$define_commands XDS_JERRY> pwver  + The image version for all listed images is    C Information on Advanced Server for OpenVMS images installed on this  system:    9 Image Name                     Image Version    Link date 	 Linker ID A ------------------------------ ---------------- ----------------- 
 ------------- A PWRK$MASTER                    V7.3-110A        17-DEC-2002 18:12  A11-20      > M >Hopefully, your image idents are v7.3-120A, which is the latest - v7.3A ECO2 $ >(available from the ITRC FTP site).  E I'll postpone the upgrade until after you have confirmed nothing else 	 is amis.     Thanks again for your help.    Dave.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:28:21 -0500 * From: "Brian Tillman" <tillmabg@yahoo.com>> Subject: RE: Hit counter for Apache like #Accesses SSI in OSU?' Message-ID: <012EB261.C22236@yahoo.com>   , "Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr" wrote:  H > The OSU webserver supports a hit count or accesses counter through the> > preprocessor.  (When the preprocessor runs as a presentation > script for? > a particular page, and sees the Accesses tag, it looks up the  > file name in; > an RMS indexed file, creates a new record if there's none  > there, increments ? > the access count, (re) writes the record, and substitutes the / > incremented access count in the output page.)   I The best part of that counter is that it's visible no matter what browser  accessed the page. --  
 Brian Tillman    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:34:07 -0600 % From: Neil Cherry <njc@wolfgang.uucp> 8 Subject: How do I tell if my Alpha is a L1 or L2 router?. Message-ID: <slrnc5jjrv.ahj.njc@wolfgang.uucp>  B Sorry for the clueless question but how do I tell if my Alpha is a Level 1 or Level 2 router?     --  D Linux Home Automation         Neil Cherry        ncherry@comcast.net; http://home.comcast.net/~ncherry/               (Text only) = http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/                 (SourceForge) 8 http://hcs.sourceforge.net/                     (HCS II)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:25:33 -0600 " From: MikeWJ <mjenkins//mfire.com>B Subject: Re: HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour8 Message-ID: <d0ij50tpkd7j73dudq0se8psfc71hhd2nr@4ax.com>  L Now for the REAL questions  Which browser(s) [and version(s)] are you using?H The next question:  Does this site conform to W3C standards or some lame Microsoft flavor?   H How many have checked this site using Opera?  Mozilla?  Netscape? IE? orN whatever you use on your particular O/S?  How does it look using the flavor of: Netscape that USED to be found on the DECwindows packages?   Be more specific.    MikeWJ  + JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:    >warren sander wrote: H >> as for the style sheets. they are defined in a javascript and use the >> 'theme' the set things up.  > H >Why ? First of all, those who have javascript disabled but style sheetsK >enabled don't get any of this. Secondly, it is not very good documentation L >when users rtry to debug why HP's pages don't render well on their browser. > D >Hiding the style sheets under hidden javascript is not a good idea. >   >Why not use the standard HTML ? > ; ><LINK href="mystyle.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css">    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 18:28:36 +0100e3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com>eB Subject: Re: HP VMS web site: terrible coding of background colour: Message-ID: <c3cn1r$2694up$2@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>  + On 2004-03-17 21:01, "warren sander" wrote:    > [...]e > K > Yes having pop-ups turned off kills the survey. haveing javascript turnedT > off kills the surveyF > having cookies turned off kills the survey. I guest folks that allow! > pop-ups, javascript and cookies0M > give better positive feedback then slugs like us that don't have this stuff  > turned on.  > Three reasons why I don't see any survey. No, I don't miss it.  I > I'm lobbying for a 'link' to take a satisfaction survey that would keepc& > seperate answers from the pop-up one: > but the survey owners want the randomness of the survey. >  > [...]b  C Satisfaction with HP's web site? Rather limited. (Not ignoring your  effort of course.)   Michael    -- i; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system.p5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Mar 2004 10:40:56 -0800' From: ultrajoe@spamcop.net (Joe Sewell)i+ Subject: Re: HP's emails blocked by spamcopn< Message-ID: <a55b951e.0403181040.b7999d6@posting.google.com>  [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<4056CDC7.E9A12E7C@istop.com>...eO > I am subscribed to the ITRC mailing list. However, HP attempted to send me an * > email and my ISP bounced it as spam !!!! > E > Mar 16 00:49:45 ns postfix/smtpd[19471]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT fromsC > mh.hp.m0.net[209.11.164.98]: 554 Service unavailable; Client host = > [209.11.164.98] blocked using bl.spamcop.net; Blocked - seelK > http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?209.11.164.98; from=<us-news@your.hp.com>o; > to=<vaxination@istop.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<mh.hp.m0.net>p > M > I wonder if HP is actually sending SPAM (unsollicited advertising) from the-F > same servers that it is sending serious stuff like the ITRC stuff ?  > P > Either way, the owner of the ITRC mailing list should be contacted and advisedF > that his emails have been bounced by many recipient's email systems.  D FYI, 209.11.164.98 has dropped off of the latest SpamCop blocklist. ? (This happens automatically if a site hasn't been reported in aPE certain length of time; the URL in the headers will provide details.)C   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:43:05 +0000e From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>l' Subject: IA64 version of SETI for VMS ?o4 Message-ID: <c3c91a$1ic$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>   Subject says it all ...   ; We've just received one of these IA64 thingies, and it will.6 very probably have a fair amount of idle time.  Anyone- (Burns Fisher ?) have a SETI client for VMS ?t  	 Roy Omondr< Blue Bubble Ltd.  (11,396 units complete, almost all VMS :-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 17:16:48 GMT-! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>4% Subject: Re: Java on OpenVMS questiond8 Message-ID: <rflj50tsu3fduoi6mcac3n7btkls5oka94@4ax.com>  O On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 12:30:23 -0500, Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com> wrote:   N >Is it proper to say that both Tomcat and Weblogic require the same JVM v1.4, N >and that it is the app server itself that provides the J2EE API's [e.g. code ! >libraries, JAR archives, etc..]?S  O Unlike some other platforms that may have a number of different JVMs on OpenVMStP the only JVM available is the HP version. You can use various different versionsI of Java on OpenVMS. Normally when you start a process you would execute a O startup procedure that pointed it at the correct JVM but it is possible to swapE. between versions from one command to the next.  O BTW make sure that all required patches are installed especially anything to doeN with the C runtime library or threading. Also please read the documentation asP there are one or two fundamental errors that can be made by new users of Java onO OpenVMS e.g. ensure .CLASS files are StreamLF format, use ODS-5 disk & extended4 parse style etc    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:08:10 GMT5& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>, Subject: Re: Keyboard and the NewVMS desktop8 Message-ID: <mrej50h02ca73gugf4m3jtrmbi3h3ujml1@4ax.com>  J On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:48:02 -0800, Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com> wrote:    A >     As others have mentioned, it's very difficult to find a KVM^@ >that will support a PC _and_ an Alpha.  Has to do with keyboard@ >"modes" and with the fact that many KVMs drop keycodes in modesB >they're not expecting.  (Laptop runs in mode 1, KVM runs keyboardA >in mode 2 and translates between that and the other modes, AlphaO= >runs in mode 3 and has more key codes than a "standard" PS/2P >keyboard in mode 2.)  >.@ >     Not wanting to buy an expensive, data-center type KVM fromB >Rose or Raritan, and not having the time to keep an eye on E-Bay,? >I chose to use _two_ keyboards (sigh...).  But the inexpensivebC >Rose Mini-Vista does fine switching the video and (3-button) mouset  >between the two systems.  YMMV. >n  J Strangely enough, I purchased a Belkin Omni Cube 4-port KVM box at a localJ retailer (CompUSA I think) and it's worked perfectly for my PW500/au (VMS)I and my Compaq WinXP box.  Oh, and I also have an AS100 running Tru64 UNIXe attached and working fine.   --- jls 0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.6 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)>   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 07:59:38 -0800G# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> , Subject: RE: Keyboard and the NewVMS desktop9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIGEIDCPAA.tom@kednos.com>n  5 Ken Fairfiled had a good summary of this a while backt  L http://groups.google.com/groups?q=fairfield+executive+group:comp.os.vms&hl=eA n&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=3F664335.4E1F1798%40intel.com&rnum=5>    E Another approach is to you PuTTY (which is free), which has the addedf advantage thatL you can chhose the colors of the windows, so in my case, for example, I have	 different K colours for each cluster node, so I don't have include the node name in thee prompt.e5 I use this on a W2K box, but it also runs under Unix.r  2 http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/     -----Original Message-----/   From: jlsue [mailto:jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net]-(   Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 7:08 AM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comx.   Subject: Re: Keyboard and the NewVMS desktop    L   On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:48:02 -0800, Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com>   wrote:    C   >     As others have mentioned, it's very difficult to find a KVM B   >that will support a PC _and_ an Alpha.  Has to do with keyboardB   >"modes" and with the fact that many KVMs drop keycodes in modesD   >they're not expecting.  (Laptop runs in mode 1, KVM runs keyboardC   >in mode 2 and translates between that and the other modes, Alphae?   >runs in mode 3 and has more key codes than a "standard" PS/2o   >keyboard in mode 2.)e   >iB   >     Not wanting to buy an expensive, data-center type KVM fromD   >Rose or Raritan, and not having the time to keep an eye on E-Bay,A   >I chose to use _two_ keyboards (sigh...).  But the inexpensivenE   >Rose Mini-Vista does fine switching the video and (3-button) mouseb"   >between the two systems.  YMMV.   >   L   Strangely enough, I purchased a Belkin Omni Cube 4-port KVM box at a localL   retailer (CompUSA I think) and it's worked perfectly for my PW500/au (VMS)K   and my Compaq WinXP box.  Oh, and I also have an AS100 running Tru64 UNIXi   attached and working fine.  	   --- jls 2   The preceding message was personal opinion only.7   I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,f    and certainly not my employer./   (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)i     --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B   Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004   ---,& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 17:03:02 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>l, Subject: Re: Keyboard and the NewVMS desktop8 Message-ID: <oukj50p1gt8lp45977vlb223u4u1a1j5eo@4ax.com>  I On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:08:10 GMT, jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net> wrote:   K >Strangely enough, I purchased a Belkin Omni Cube 4-port KVM box at a localeK >retailer (CompUSA I think) and it's worked perfectly for my PW500/au (VMS)"J >and my Compaq WinXP box.  Oh, and I also have an AS100 running Tru64 UNIX >attached and working fine.   K I too have a Belkin Omni Cube (it must be the cheapest 4 port KVM:-). WorkseN perfectly with my DPW600a (VMS) & a variety of desktop PCs & laptops. There isN one PC that refuses to recognise the keyboard & mouse unless it has focus when it's booted though.a   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'AzurI   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:18:28 GMT7# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>-( Subject: Re: License Pak move to ItaniumH Message-ID: <osg6c.53260$ohV.40277@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:40594014.11012B40@istop.com...o > Charlie Hammond wrote:A > > From what I hear, the licensing model for OpenVMS I64 will beDC > > signifcantly different from Alpha and VAX.  The differences mayO4 > > address at least some of the issues raised here. > I > It isn't so much the differences in licencing that are the problem, butl how D > easy and costly it will be for customers to migrate their existing	 licences.i   Exactly.  L  How costly will it be to run in parallel (Alpha and Itanic) while you proveK to your own organization that the 'new' VMS on Itanic is the same as VMS oni: Alpha and that the HP layered products behave identically?  & Will HP give free licences for a year?  $ What about ISV's and their licences?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:43:18 -0600n( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)) Subject: Message-ID ??? How to replicate?g1 Message-ID: <04031810431849@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>e  K I was wondering where the Message-ID came from when sending an e-mail using  MIME.h  E In the example below the Message-ID is <562452482.1079626026@OpenVMS>   N I have noted that this value changes each time you create a new MIME document.  0 What does the left value indicate?     5624524821 What does the right value indicate?    1079626026e  A I want to replicate this, or do I need to concern myself with it?p  0 ------------------------------------------------   Mime-version: 1.0 K Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="OpenVMS/MIME.562452482.1079626026"  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7biti* Message-ID: <562452482.1079626026@OpenVMS>  # --OpenVMS/MIME.562452482.1079626026A Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitn Content-Disposition: (null)d  # --OpenVMS/MIME.562452482.1079626026i, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bite= Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=SP_PAGER_REMOTE.COMt   $! $! stupid command procedure  $! $ write sys$output "hello" $ exit  % --OpenVMS/MIME.562452482.1079626026--"  0 ------------------------------------------------     J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*na VMS Systems Administrator6* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Mar 2004 12:12:19 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org- Subject: Re: Message-ID ??? How to replicate?r3 Message-ID: <68r52D02x3oJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  \ In article <04031810431849@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) writes: > M > I was wondering where the Message-ID came from when sending an e-mail using  > MIME.a > G > In the example below the Message-ID is <562452482.1079626026@OpenVMS>A > P > I have noted that this value changes each time you create a new MIME document. > 2 > What does the left value indicate?     5624524823 > What does the right value indicate?    1079626026t > C > I want to replicate this, or do I need to concern myself with it?o  C Message-ID is, for most purposes, irrelevant.  It is supposed to beuH a globally and eternally unique value.  The most common strategy used inB generating Message-IDs is to put a fully qualified globally uniqueC host name (if available) on the right hand side of an @ sign and toeH put a either a randomly generated string, a time stamp, sequence number,; a locally significant identifier (or a combination thereof)t= on the left hand side, thus providing the eternal uniqueness.h  A In the absence of a Message-ID header on a received message, someo= transfer agents will generate and insert one into the messagef before forwarding it.   ? If you're generating RFC 822/MIME formatted messages, including @ a Message-ID header is a nice touch.  But you don't have to do aC very good job.  And if you don't include one, chances are good that & your message will be delivered anyway.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:43:13 +0100c( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>9 Subject: OpenVMS 7.1 VAX and IBM DDYS 18.2GB disk problem-3 Message-ID: <001601c40cbc$ab422400$994614ac@wat153>    Hello,  G We do have a lot of IBM 18.2GB disk fr5om the type DGHS, DMVS and DDYS.eF I did connect a DDYS to a VAX32000 with OpenVMS 7.1. The disk could beE initialized and mounted. But if I did create directories, the VAX didwE crash (unexpectect signal during ...). I did verify this with anotherlH DDYS disk. The same behavior. The other two DGHS do function without anyG error. Does anybody know this problem? Must I install any jumper on the. disk (e.g. TI sync)?  " TIA and best regads Rudolf Wingert  H P.S. The DDYS do function under OpenVMS AXP well (sometimes a few errors within months).r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:16:52 -0600o' From: "Earl Lakia" <elakia@hotmail.com> + Subject: Pathworks Current versions/productT1 Message-ID: <RuKdnUGt2a4LesTdRVn-ig@netnitco.net>e  ? I have been on the phone with HP trying to find out about a new 3 version of Pathworks, if that is still the product.r  6 I need to connect a Windows 2000 box to an OpenVMS/VAX4 over DECNET.  All I need is the ability to connect a. transparent task to task link to the VMS host.  - So what is the product I need on the W2K box.o= I never got through to anyone after 30 minutes of very politeF but not helpful folks at HP.   -earlg   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:01:06 +0100l* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>8 Subject: Re: perhaps on-topic: Google can't find a page!: Message-ID: <c3bogj$26eltb$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   Ken Farmer wrote:vN > "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>1 > wrote in message news:c3alnp$70l$1@online.de...e > C >>I have the OSU web server doing some multi-homing (i.e. differentaI >>domains, same IP address) on my hobbyist cluster.  So far, so good, and C >>everything seems to work fine.  However, a page which has been in I >>existence for 3 weeks or so isn't visible to Google (which I've checkedeG >>regularly) (nor to some other search engines, which I haven't checked H >>that often), even though I explicitly asked Google to index it after a >>couple of weeks. >>C >>I have another page, which has been around for years but which islI >>modified regularly, which has a link to the new page.  This old page isxJ >>easily found by Google.  It is being served by the web server running on& >>another port, NOT doing multihoming. >>H >>Google isn't in the access log of the domain in question.  However, itJ >>DOES appear regularly (every 3--5 days) in the default access log of theH >>web server, which one gets into if one types in the IP address instead >>of one of the domains. >>@ >>Thus, it seems the following is happening: Google has the URL,H >>translates it to get an IP address, accesses the web server via the IP( >>address, and then can't find the page. >> >>I can't prove this though. >>G >>Is there a problem with Google reaching pages on multi-homed servers?p >  > C > Google has no problem with my virtual servers, over a half dozen.a > J > I don't have a clue how Google works.  I can tell you they rake my sites< > multiple times daily along with many other search engines. >   F Speaking of search engines, Inktomi seems to have an weird compulsion @ about my Apache manual pages. It's just the standard Doc set as I installed by CSWS, but Inktomi is in there every day searching different   bits of it.s  D Strange when you consider the number of places it must be available.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 06:39:45 -0400I* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>, Subject: Re: Postal mail sorting application) Message-ID: <40597C6E.9531EE67@istop.com>>   Andrew Rycroft wrote:>@ > Please can anyone advise if they know of a postal mail sortingH > application that runs on OpenVMS. This is for an opporunity in Africa.  G I know that Canada Post is/used to be a big VMS user for postal sorting 0 plants. Not sure what software they used though.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Mar 2004 08:05:12 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)n, Subject: Re: Postal mail sorting application3 Message-ID: <yXhE3syvskKp@eisner.encompasserve.org>   v In article <58ba0101.0403180209.4aee612f@posting.google.com>, andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com (Andrew Rycroft) writes: > Hi,- > @ > Please can anyone advise if they know of a postal mail sortingH > application that runs on OpenVMS. This is for an opporunity in Africa.  C    IIRC the US Post Office knows of one.  Try to find thier vendor.r   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Mar 2004 07:06:42 -0800- From: soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume) , Subject: Re: Postal mail sorting application= Message-ID: <f401eb7f.0403180706.6cb33e37@posting.google.com>o  { andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com (Andrew Rycroft) wrote in message news:<58ba0101.0403180209.4aee612f@posting.google.com>...0 > Hi,4 > @ > Please can anyone advise if they know of a postal mail sortingH > application that runs on OpenVMS. This is for an opporunity in Africa. >  > Thanks > Andrew  A It is my understanding that the U.S. Postal Service recently (two3= years ago?) consolidated some of their OpenVMS VAX systems toyF AlphaServers.  I do not know whether they use the systems for sorting.C  I also suspect that the software is an "in house" application.  To A defray costs, they might be willing to license the software.  TryiE contacting them or see if Sue Skonetski will point you to the OpenVMS ) Ambassador(s) that have worked with them.w   JMOD   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Mar 2004 07:07:51 -0800- From: soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume)v, Subject: Re: Postal mail sorting application= Message-ID: <f401eb7f.0403180707.143abe55@posting.google.com>t  { andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com (Andrew Rycroft) wrote in message news:<58ba0101.0403180209.4aee612f@posting.google.com>...p > Hi,e > @ > Please can anyone advise if they know of a postal mail sortingH > application that runs on OpenVMS. This is for an opporunity in Africa. >  > Thanks > Andrew  A It is my understanding that the U.S. Postal Service recently (twoe= years ago?) consolidated some of their OpenVMS VAX systems tosF AlphaServers.  I do not know whether they use the systems for sorting.C  I also suspect that the software is an "in house" application.  To A defray costs, they might be willing to license the software.  Try=E contacting them or see if Sue Skonetski will point you to the OpenVMS.) Ambassador(s) that have worked with them.    JMOD   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Mar 2004 08:37:39 -08001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) , Subject: Re: Postal mail sorting application= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0403180837.1e2ad3f4@posting.google.com>-  A If you look at the HP OpenVMS home page you will find that the USiD Postal Service uses VMS.  I have sent email to the Ambassador asking> what their application is. http://h71000.www7.hp.com/usps.html  
 Warm Regards,  Suee     [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<40597C6E.9531EE67@istop.com>..., > Andrew Rycroft wrote:dB > > Please can anyone advise if they know of a postal mail sortingJ > > application that runs on OpenVMS. This is for an opporunity in Africa. > I > I know that Canada Post is/used to be a big VMS user for postal sortingN2 > plants. Not sure what software they used though.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:50:14 -06000( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)L Subject: Reading binary data from DBMS DBO /SHOW STATISTICS /OUTPUT=file.bin1 Message-ID: <04031809501462@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   L I am trying to find an application (or create one) that will read the binaryA output file of the DBO /SHOW STATISTICS /OUTPUT=file.bin command.s  C Once the data is collected you have to use the DBO /SHOW STATISTICSoJ /INPUT=file.bin (a a few menu screens later) to dump it into a report file (STATISTICS.RPT).E      L Does anyone have code they can share or have the record layout of the binary output file?       TIA'     J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator,* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Mar 2004 10:40:58 -0800' From: ultrajoe@spamcop.net (Joe Sewell)f$ Subject: Server hang - compute bound= Message-ID: <a55b951e.0403181040.3944a0a8@posting.google.com>s  7 We're running on various Alpha VMS systems, VMS V7.3-2,aA DECwindows/Motif 1.3-1.  We're finding that various applications,yD including Mozilla and our own software, can cause the X server to goA 100% compute-bound indefinitely, simply by resizing windows.  The.D action is, of course, intermittent and sporadic, making nailing down" the precise cause painful at best.  E Has anyone else seen this?  Is the fix merely to boost the X server's- quotas?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:45:22 +0100O- From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de>R/ Subject: Re: SSH, X11 forwarding and TCPIP V5.4-9 Message-ID: <c3bk2l$260r0d$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>n   Martin Kirby wrote:l@ >> From the log it also seems this relies on an MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE> >> (which AFAIK DECwindows doesn't support), so maybe it's not >> SSH's fault.  > F > MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE support is included with DECwindows V1.3 and V1.3-1F > but not for V1.2-6 or earlier. V1.3 and V1.3-1 are only available on! > OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 or V7.3-2.S  B Thanks for the correction. As I have V1.3-1 on my test system, theB problem then seems to be in SSH not supporting it (at least not in" the way that PuTTY uses it). Pity.   cu,    Martin --  @   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deMF    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Mar 2004 07:35:49 -0800- From: phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer)   Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?= Message-ID: <5ee1d1b7.0403180735.3483b3f0@posting.google.com>r   > >o > > I'm curious, > >T7 > > 1,   which UNIX(es), and which hardware platorm(s)?A > >E; > > 2,  which (defense) contractor did the implementation ?b9 > >       (if you can even say, or allude to/drop a hint)  >  > L > If they kept the VAX hardware when they ported to unix, then the choice ofM > unix probably would have been Ultrix or some Berkeley distribution. If theyrB > switched hardware, then who knows what flavor of unix they used.  F I believe they upgraded to AlphaServers and used Digital Unix and wentF to Tru64 Unix.  If I recall correctly it may have been Boeing Computer# Services taht did the work on this.W   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:05:00 +0000U$ From: Frank Gribbin <fjg@ing.iac.es>8 Subject: VMS 5.5-2 disk size limitations on VAX 4000-200' Message-ID: <4059c8ae$1@news.ll.iac.es>   H     We have Vaxes running VMS 5.5-2. We can't upgrade because we depend G on third party software that was never upgraded beyond 5.5-2. I recall iB that one can't address SCSI disks that are bigger than 8Gb. We've I recently had a 4Gb disk fail. Fortunately we had disk shadowing and have eI a couple more disks on-line. However we don't have any spares to replace v the failed 4Gb disk.  H     Does anyone know if its possible to use larger disks but initialise F so it looks like it's 8Gb or less? It seems like it's difficult to get5 SCSI disks less than 18Gb. Suggestions for suppliers?i   Thanks,  Franki   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:18:50 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>a< Subject: Re: VMS 5.5-2 disk size limitations on VAX 4000-200' Message-ID: <4059CBEA.8090406@MMaz.com>l   Frank Gribbin wrote:  I >    We have Vaxes running VMS 5.5-2. We can't upgrade because we depend sI > on third party software that was never upgraded beyond 5.5-2. I recall AD > that one can't address SCSI disks that are bigger than 8Gb. We've F > recently had a 4Gb disk fail. Fortunately we had disk shadowing and H > have a couple more disks on-line. However we don't have any spares to  > replace the failed 4Gb disk. >-I >    Does anyone know if its possible to use larger disks but initialise  H > so it looks like it's 8Gb or less? It seems like it's difficult to get7 > SCSI disks less than 18Gb. Suggestions for suppliers?0 >eH Here is a suggestion because a couple of years ago, we were in the same  situation.    I We acquired an external SCSI to SCSI RAID array that used an Infortrends  I Sentinel 100 controller.  What was slick is that with this controller, I 0E could load up as many drives as I needed into the array (I choose to 5F configure them in RAID 5 with a couple global spares), and then using C the logical volume manager of the array, partition and present the s@ logical volumes as individual SCSI disks to the VMS side of the  controller.   H We not only gained a lot of performance, but we eliminated the headache H you are dealing with today.  Probably the best part is that this didn't  break the bank.c     Barry1   -- n  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        c   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Mar 04 08:13:59 PST From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.comM< Subject: Re: VMS 5.5-2 disk size limitations on VAX 4000-200( Message-ID: <G49iVFFVrTMT@cpva.saic.com>  ' In article <4059c8ae$1@news.ll.iac.es>,A'  Frank Gribbin <fjg@ing.iac.es> writes:sJ >     We have Vaxes running VMS 5.5-2. We can't upgrade because we depend I > on third party software that was never upgraded beyond 5.5-2. I recall fD > that one can't address SCSI disks that are bigger than 8Gb. We've K > recently had a 4Gb disk fail. Fortunately we had disk shadowing and have /K > a couple more disks on-line. However we don't have any spares to replace c > the failed 4Gb disk. > J >     Does anyone know if its possible to use larger disks but initialise H > so it looks like it's 8Gb or less? It seems like it's difficult to get7 > SCSI disks less than 18Gb. Suggestions for suppliers?  > 	 > Thanks,c > Franko >   C Since I expect you only need a few, you might watch ebay for RZ28s,AD RZ29s and BA350 cabinets (the BA350 shelves are often populated withI the older drives). Many sellers will ship to Spain (es is Spain, right?).M   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:29:03 -0800g# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>a< Subject: RE: VMS 5.5-2 disk size limitations on VAX 4000-2009 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECICEIFCPAA.tom@kednos.com>E     -----Original Message-----2   From: Barry Treahy, Jr. [mailto:Treahy@MMaz.com](   Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 8:19 AM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com\>   Subject: Re: VMS 5.5-2 disk size limitations on VAX 4000-200         Frank Gribbin wrote:   K   >    We have Vaxes running VMS 5.5-2. We can't upgrade because we depend SK   > on third party software that was never upgraded beyond 5.5-2. I recall DF   > that one can't address SCSI disks that are bigger than 8Gb. We've H   > recently had a 4Gb disk fail. Fortunately we had disk shadowing and J   > have a couple more disks on-line. However we don't have any spares to     > replace the failed 4Gb disk.   >rK   >    Does anyone know if its possible to use larger disks but initialise iJ   > so it looks like it's 8Gb or less? It seems like it's difficult to get9   > SCSI disks less than 18Gb. Suggestions for suppliers?r   >wJ   Here is a suggestion because a couple of years ago, we were in the same 
   situation. _   K   We acquired an external SCSI to SCSI RAID array that used an Infortrends vK   Sentinel 100 controller.  What was slick is that with this controller, I  G   could load up as many drives as I needed into the array (I choose to -H   configure them in RAID 5 with a couple global spares), and then using E   the logical volume manager of the array, partition and present the  B   logical volumes as individual SCSI disks to the VMS side of the    controller.    J   We not only gained a lot of performance, but we eliminated the headache J   you are dealing with today.  Probably the best part is that this didn't    break the bank.-  ? So Barry,  there is an 8GB limit?  I have an 18GB in a 4000/90.0         BarryT      -- l   @   Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com@   Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320@   Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                          u         ---e(   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B   Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004    ---l& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:17:44 +0100rE From: "Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann" <vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de>-E Subject: Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CDlB Message-ID: <008101c40cd2$417af860$ad072286@chemie.unikonstanz.de>   Dirk,2   Nero copies VMS-CDs directly..  & DVDwrite copies VMS-CDs directly, too.   eberhard ----- Original Message ----- h  From: "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com>t' Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 6:49 PMmE Subject: Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CD     K > A long time ago I read something that the size of a CD image should be infF > multiples of 48 blocks (don't remember why). In this case 34824 is a multiple of, > 24, so maybe it was 24 ??  >mI > I don't use CDWRITE (no burner in my VMS system), but instead I use then burnerK > of my PC. First I create a LD device on my VMS systems, and the size is aoL > multiple of 96 blocks (wasn't sure if it was 48 or 96 blocks). I then fill thetL > LD device image with data. When that is done I FTP the image to my PC, and use C > Nero to burn the image to a CD-R. Analyze /disk is happy with the 
 resulting CD,r< > and will not report any problem with the number of blocks. >o > This is what I get:D >  > $ anal /disk dqa1:I > Analyze/Disk_Structure for _$1$DQA1: started on 17-MAR-2004 18:32:02.69@ >o: > %ANALDISK-W-CHKSCB, invalid storage control block, RVN 10 > %ANALDISK-I-OPENQUOTA, error opening QUOTA.SYS$ > -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file< > %ANALDISK-I-BADHIGHWATER, file (3664,1,0) SYS$ERRLOG.DMP;10 >          inconsistent highwater mark and EFBLK > $y >tJ > (This was a copy of the VMS 7.3-2 CD. I used backup to copy it to the LD image) >    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Mar 2004 08:03:42 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)LE Subject: Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CD 3 Message-ID: <RJ+um0eDxjRq@eisner.encompasserve.org>0  S In article <c3bg6n$ev4$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:H > Roger Ivie wrote:b >> d& >> CD-ROM sectors contain 2,048 bytes. >  > Isn't that 4kB ?      Gee, I hope not.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:53:25 GMTg% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>aE Subject: Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CDe@ Message-ID: <9uk6c.13357$t16.7764561@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>  H "Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann" <vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de> wrote in/ message news:405883ce$1@news.uni-konstanz.de...s > H > In article <jUZ5c.13026$t16.7572801@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>, "John# > Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes:h > >uK > >"Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann" <vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de> wrote int0 > >message news:40582659@news.uni-konstanz.de... > >> > >> Hi, > >>( > >> Take a look at my log here, please! > >> >t > [snip] > @ > >> ===========================================================& > >> Here is the important number one:, > >>        Total blocks               34824@ > >> =========================================================== >m > [snip] >t@ > >> ===========================================================& > >> Here is the important number two:, > >>        Total blocks               34816 > >RH > >CDWRITE does the same thing.  Every CD burner I've seen does this and > >I'vegI > >never been able to figure out why.  When I was looking into this I was< > >veryEL > >sure that CDWRITE wrote the expected number of blocks yet, when you mount  > >the CD, extra blocks show up. > > G > >I think you will also find that ANALYSE/DISK will complain about the4 > >extraL > >blocks.  And, if you check the CDs from the OpenVMS distribution kit, you > >will see the same problem.8 > >cK > >It seems to be harmless but, I would sure like to hear the explaination.0 > >1 >9L > It is the burning method: the option is called "Track at once" and between) > every track comes a "gap of 2 seconds".u  K But it's only an extra 8 blocks, 4kb which is about .027 seconds or, is theiI 8 blocks some sort of "end-of-track" marker that also implies 2 secons of  silence?   >lH > To get rid off this you must record in "disk at once" mode (now called > "session at once").  >iE > Old CD-R drive are unable to do this, but newer drives accept this.b >kJ > The recording steps differ alot so CDWRITE cannot be used "disk at once" > recording. >i@ > >> ===========================================================@ > >> Summary: cdrecord adds some bytes on the CD-R. This happens > >> systematically!!!!!K > >> If you try to check with a 1:1 compare step, you'll get the following.c@ > >> ===========================================================" > >> $ dvdwrite/verify lda1: dqa0: > >> Verifying...o > >>  100 % done > >> Verification error! > >> %SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abortE > >i, > >Try BACKUP/VERIFY.  I think it will work. > >, > L > Yes, because all files are there, but think about the following situation: >,L > You're getting a CD-R and copy the "image" to a disk (by copying a foreignL > mounted device). Then use cdrecord or cdwrite. which adds those records to > yourG > "image". The next person get your copy and make the same dirty thing!wG > That means everytime you use your new copy you will change your data.s# > This is a dangerous game I think.p >e  G I don't think it's dangerous because there's nothing in indexf.sys thatv points to the bogus blocks.t   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Mar 2004 08:01:11 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)i& Subject: Re: [OT?] Internet Appliances3 Message-ID: <diMKB3TSzeWq@eisner.encompasserve.org>   S In article <c3ae26$2psj$1@biggoron.nerim.net>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:eM > I heared today for the first time the expression "Internet Appliances" and cK > Google gives me thousand of pages on this, without explaining what it is.h  $    Meaningless marketing expression.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Mar 2004 07:12:39 -08002 From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb)& Subject: Re: [OT?] Internet Appliances= Message-ID: <bf98c417.0403180712.5c3f4917@posting.google.com>u  X Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:<c3ae26$2psj$1@biggoron.nerim.net>...M > I heared today for the first time the expression "Internet Appliances" and sK > Google gives me thousand of pages on this, without explaining what it is.M > 6 > Could someone share some light on that concept, pls? > 	 > Thanks,  >  > D.  " I'm sorry, I just couldn't resist:  * bsy's List of Internet Accessible Machines  * http://www-cse.ucsd.edu/users/bsy/iam.html   WWWebb   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:32:16 -0600(( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)& Subject: Re: [OT?] Internet Appliances1 Message-ID: <04031810321650@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   M > In article <c3ae26$2psj$1@biggoron.nerim.net>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>t	 > writes:aO > > I heared today for the first time the expression "Internet Appliances" and  M > > Google gives me thousand of pages on this, without explaining what it is.n > & >    Meaningless marketing expression.   A few points none the less.o  ' Point # 1 - Nothing more than a widget.   - Point # 2 - More marketing than VMS receives.e    Point # 3 - Can you say Dot Com?     J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator0* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.153 ************************