1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 20 Mar 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 157       Contents:@ Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers+ Re: ANN: bison 1.35 and flex 2.5.4a for GNV + Re: ANN: bison 1.35 and flex 2.5.4a for GNV  Re: Athlon 64 vs Opteron: diff?  Re: Athlon 64 vs Opteron: diff? ' Re: Check out these new VT flat panels! " Re: IA64 version of SETI for VMS ?" Re: IA64 version of SETI for VMS ? Re: ODS-5 after five years Re: ODS-5 after five years Re: ODS-5 after five yearsD Re: Professional Agitator - Harrison, Andrew. Confimed on sun.com!!! Re: Quorum Disk Question Re: Quorum Disk Question Re: Quorum Disk Question Re: SIMH problems & Re: SSH, X11 forwarding and TCPIP V5.4 Re: Sun On The Run? - Re: [Simh] Newbie has network compile problem   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 20 Mar 2004 02:40:28 -0800' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson) I Subject: Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers = Message-ID: <734da31c.0403200240.78235e17@posting.google.com>   t "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<t7v4c.21572$1gU1.15168@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...? > "Ken Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com> wrote in message : > news:Xnr4c.90668$eL2.4850859@twister.southeast.rr.com...2 > > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageF > > news:pyo4c.18372$iDG1.3599@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > > > 5 > > > "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> wrote in message 2 > > > news:4052126b$0$294$636a15ce@news.free.fr...J > > > > [from http://www.amd.com/us-en/0,,3715_10025,00.html?redir=CPBS12] > > > > F > > > > AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers -
 >  Delivering H > > > > high-performance solutions for today's most demanding enterprise >  applications  > > > > G > > > > The AMD OpteronT processor-based server, the Sun FireT V20z, is  >  designed  >  to F > > > > deliver high performance for today's most demanding enterprise >  applications. > > > > 
 >  <snip>> > > > > * > > > > The Business Benefits to Customers > > > > I > > > > Choice and flexibility. With the addition of this new line of AMD 
 >  OpteronJ > > > > processor-based servers to Sun's line of entry systems, Sun offers >  customers aJ > > > > choice of architectures and platforms for their "scale out" needs. > > > >  > > > <snip> > > > H > > > Sun's choice of words, while sort of meaning the same as 'Alpha is	 >  dead', K > > > clearly does not piss customers off in the same way that Curly did in 	 > > 2001.  > >  > >  > > You mean Sparc is dead?  >  > J > Reading between the lines, probably yes. Not this generation or the next- > ones due, but most probably the ones after.  > L > Yet Sun has not said it in so many words, and not gone out of their way toN > tell their customers that they are killing a proven architecture in favor ofL > one that has yet to prove itself (funny, do I hear an echo of the Big Bang	 > here?).  > N > Sun has a CEO (McNeely) who understands the value of customers and the valueM > of marketing, unlike the CEO's of Digital, Compaq (excluding Pfeiffer), and L > HP. Were Sun to have announced a Sparc-icide, how long would it have taken > to spell 'bankruptcy'?  F As I see it, Suns Opteron boxes is an effort to try to enter the LinuxD market. Yes, they are porting Solaris to x86-64, but even Sun peopleC say that most of their Opteron boxes will be used and sold as Linux  boxes.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 11:10:19 +0100 & From: Bernard Giroud <bgiroud@free.fr>4 Subject: Re: ANN: bison 1.35 and flex 2.5.4a for GNV& Message-ID: <405C188A.500E881@free.fr>   "Ruslan R. Laishev" a crit :    > Joshua Cope wrote: > I > >>Bernard, do you think that I'll convert ODS especialy for using FLEX?  > >  > > L > >   On the other hand, should we still be asking developers to add specialK > > filename handling code to every UNIX port? ODS-5 has been available for  > > something like 5 years now. < >         For system disk? Have a look to release notes 7.3. >   H This announcement was specifically for GNV, latest version, which can beE installed on ANY ODS-5 disk (i.e. not system). And the motivation was H to ease the task of other people porting Un*x code. I needed that for my1 ongoing port of GCC 3.3. So why keep it private ?   F On the other hand, I understand your point: but why didn't you use theC VMS flex version at http://vms.process.com/fileserv-software.html ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 15:36:32 +0300 : From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev{at}DeltaTelecom{dot}RU>4 Subject: Re: ANN: bison 1.35 and flex 2.5.4a for GNV3 Message-ID: <0D7FAB1B068E53FE9B1FEE695EE62368@nntp>    Bernard Giroud wrote:  > "Ruslan R. Laishev" a crit :  >  >  >>Joshua Cope wrote: >> >>I >>>>Bernard, do you think that I'll convert ODS especialy for using FLEX?  >>>  >>> K >>>  On the other hand, should we still be asking developers to add special J >>>filename handling code to every UNIX port? ODS-5 has been available for >>>something like 5 years now. >>< >>        For system disk? Have a look to release notes 7.3. >> >  > J > This announcement was specifically for GNV, latest version, which can beG > installed on ANY ODS-5 disk (i.e. not system). And the motivation was 5 > to ease the task of other people porting Un*x code.  	Easy - is not better.   > I needed that for my3 > ongoing port of GCC 3.3. So why keep it private ? 
 	Yes, please.   H > On the other hand, I understand your point: but why didn't you use theE > VMS flex version at http://vms.process.com/fileserv-software.html ?  	I'll. --   Cheers, Ruslan. D +---------------------pure personal opinion------------------------+C   RADIUS Server for OpenVMS project - www.starlet.spb.ru/radiusvms/ @   TKD (WTF) in Russia, St.-Petersburg - www.TaeKwonDo-WTF.SPb.RU   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 09:39:58 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> ( Subject: Re: Athlon 64 vs Opteron: diff?8 Message-ID: <bq3o5052cjomhh0jc527d9ik52f8jv66r1@4ax.com>  3 On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 18:55:39 +0000, Andrew Harrison * <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote:   >Didier Morandi wrote: > L >> Could someone please share some light on the differences between the AMD ( >> Athlon-64 and the Opteron processors? >>   > A >Athlon-64 is for single CPU systems, Opteron is for SMP systems.    Small SMP systems.   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:25:46 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>( Subject: Re: Athlon 64 vs Opteron: diff?2 Message-ID: <38qdnedLFrccEcHdRVn-uA@metrocast.net>  . "Nigel Barker" <nigel@hp.com> wrote in message2 news:bq3o5052cjomhh0jc527d9ik52f8jv66r1@4ax.com...5 > On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 18:55:39 +0000, Andrew Harrison , > <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote: >  > >Didier Morandi wrote: > > I > >> Could someone please share some light on the differences between the  AMD * > >> Athlon-64 and the Opteron processors? > >> > > C > >Athlon-64 is for single CPU systems, Opteron is for SMP systems.  >  > Small SMP systems.  G Small, fast, inexpensive, cool-running, IA32-performance-compatible SMP 6 systems - with large, fast, inexpensive, cool-running,A IA32-performance-compatible SMP systems under active development.   I Of course, if you don't care about the cool-running and inexpensive parts D and perhaps some of the performance, you'll be able to buy the otherK characteristics on a Xeon base fairly soon - including the higher processor F counts, since the IBM Xeon platform reportedly already supports 64-bit> operation (whether the Unisys platform does too I don't know).   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 09:36:11 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> 0 Subject: Re: Check out these new VT flat panels!8 Message-ID: <of3o50hdkv0d327p9hm6t1kp53fnpvm7gd@4ax.com>  L On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 19:15:31 GMT, Alfred Falk <falk@arc.REMOVE.ab.ca> wrote:  H >You're thinking of the "old" London Bridge.  There's a newer one now - F >built after the old one was removed.  Boring modern bridge.  Now the , >Tower Bridge, that might be worth owning...  M The story is that when the folk in Arizona bought 'London Bridge' they indeed H thought that they were buying 'Tower Bridge' a far more famous landmark.   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 12:30:57 +0100 , From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>+ Subject: Re: IA64 version of SETI for VMS ? : Message-ID: <c3ha1j$1tj752$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>  . "Roy Omond" <Roy@Omond.net> schreef in bericht. news:c3c91a$1ic$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk... > Subject says it all ...  > = > We've just received one of these IA64 thingies, and it will 8 > very probably have a fair amount of idle time.  Anyone/ > (Burns Fisher ?) have a SETI client for VMS ?  >  > Roy Omond > > Blue Bubble Ltd.  (11,396 units complete, almost all VMS :-)  ( Where does one find an Alpha/VMS client?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 15:51:52 +0000  From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> + Subject: Re: IA64 version of SETI for VMS ? 4 Message-ID: <c3hpap$23c$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>   Hans Vlems wrote:      >>Subject says it all ...  >>= >>We've just received one of these IA64 thingies, and it will 8 >>very probably have a fair amount of idle time.  Anyone/ >>(Burns Fisher ?) have a SETI client for VMS ?  >> >>Roy Omond > >>Blue Bubble Ltd.  (11,396 units complete, almost all VMS :-) >  > * > Where does one find an Alpha/VMS client?  F ftp://alien.ssl.berkeley.edu/pub/setiathome-3.03.alpha_openvms_bck.exe  	 Roy Omond ( Blue Bubble Ltd. (11,431 units complete)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 11:17:58 +0100 & From: Bernard Giroud <bgiroud@free.fr># Subject: Re: ODS-5 after five years ' Message-ID: <405C1A56.8923B563@free.fr>    "John E. Malmberg" a crit :   > Craig A. Berry wrote:  > > K > > 1.)  Perl was ported to VMS about 10 years ago, well before ODS-5 was a G > > glimmer in the eye of its designers, so there's a lot of home-grown I > > file parsing that needs a thorough rewrite, plus the addition of long G > > name support with NAML, honoring some of the settings of the DECC$*  > > feature logical names, etc.  > I > Apparently to build a component of Mozilla, a version of PERL is needed I > that when run under BASH on an ODS-5, keep the filenames in UNIX format  > including preserving case. > E > I have a patch procedure that should build such a version, but that I > patch hardcodes the behavior instead of making it selectable outside of 
 > the script.  >   E I also had to twiddle with a more recent version of PERL that the one B on the freeware CD, to try to have a recent autoconf working, withB little succes so far. So it would be nice to share our progresses.6 Have you registered yourself to the gnv-develop list ?   >  > (..snip..)   > G > Post on comp.os.vms with a subject indicating about your patch, and a H > maintainer may show up.  Hunter Goatley seems to be doing some work inI > that area, if not the patches themselves, assisting in the coordination 
 > of them. >  >   H Alternatively, you could ask Martin Borgman: it would probably be betterJ if ALL contributions for unixoids versions of open source tools are at the7 same place. The ideal IMO beeing the GNV site itself...    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 17:26:07 GMT 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler># Subject: Re: ODS-5 after five years @ Message-ID: <573b2f35c4fc829ca36498e620064057@news.teranews.com>  1 In article <yI2dncwdJd_JN8bdRVn-vw@adelphia.com>, /  "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote:   J > Apparently to build a component of Mozilla, a version of PERL is needed J > that when run under BASH on an ODS-5, keep the filenames in UNIX format  > including preserving case.  B I heard Mozilla needs (did need?) the now defunct POSIX kernel to B build, in which case the Perl involved was probably built without  knowing it was on VMS.    F > I have a patch procedure that should build such a version, but that J > patch hardcodes the behavior instead of making it selectable outside of 
 > the script.   C Making Perl case preserving and honoring DECC$EFS_CASE_PRESERVE is  G pretty easy and I've got a patch that'll do that, but the flip side of  @ case preserving is that you then have to make sure all filename D comparisons are case blind.  There is still some work to be done in D this area, particularly with the MakeMaker module, which is used to 2 build all extensions, including those in the core.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 17:50:55 GMT 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler># Subject: Re: ODS-5 after five years @ Message-ID: <bc23b850bdb9021a773429b09a058ed6@news.teranews.com>  ' In article <405C1A56.8923B563@free.fr>, (  Bernard Giroud <bgiroud@free.fr> wrote:   > "John E. Malmberg" a crit : >  > > Craig A. Berry wrote:  > > > M > > > 1.)  Perl was ported to VMS about 10 years ago, well before ODS-5 was a I > > > glimmer in the eye of its designers, so there's a lot of home-grown K > > > file parsing that needs a thorough rewrite, plus the addition of long I > > > name support with NAML, honoring some of the settings of the DECC$* ! > > > feature logical names, etc.  > > K > > Apparently to build a component of Mozilla, a version of PERL is needed K > > that when run under BASH on an ODS-5, keep the filenames in UNIX format  > > including preserving case. > > G > > I have a patch procedure that should build such a version, but that K > > patch hardcodes the behavior instead of making it selectable outside of  > > the script.  > >  > G > I also had to twiddle with a more recent version of PERL that the one D > on the freeware CD, to try to have a recent autoconf working, withD > little succes so far. So it would be nice to share our progresses.8 > Have you registered yourself to the gnv-develop list ?  D The Perl Configure script is massive and complicated and I think it F will be some time before GNV's bash and supporting utilities are able G to tackle it (though when they can that will be a good indication that  G GNV is really getting somewhere).  Meanwhile configure.com is actively  D maintained and supports the native build utilities MMS and MMK.  In E principle it supports GNU make (run from DCL, not bash) but this has  G not been tested or maintained recently.  Patches would be welcome.  To  E contribute to the Perl effort (or just follow what's going on), send  H mail to vmsperl-subscribe AT perl DOT org and you'll be on a relatively : low volume mailing list related to all things Perl on VMS.  D Having written that paragraph I reread yours and it appears you are B using Perl to build autoconf rather than the other way around, so  ignore me :-).  I > > Post on comp.os.vms with a subject indicating about your patch, and a J > > maintainer may show up.  Hunter Goatley seems to be doing some work inK > > that area, if not the patches themselves, assisting in the coordination  > > of them. > >  > >  > J > Alternatively, you could ask Martin Borgman: it would probably be betterL > if ALL contributions for unixoids versions of open source tools are at the9 > same place. The ideal IMO beeing the GNV site itself...   ; Well, the candidates for posting updates to ZIP seem to be:   , 1.)  This newsgroup and/or vmsnet.vms-posix.  D 2.)  Info-ZIP, but there've been no releases since 1999, so I'm not ! sure what effect this would have.   $ 3.)  The GNV feedback address at HP.  ! 4.)  The GNV site at sourceforge.    5.)  Hunter   H I think I'll post to sourceforge and send pointers to one or more other  places.    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Mar 2004 02:30:14 -0800' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson) M Subject: Re: Professional Agitator - Harrison, Andrew. Confimed on sun.com!!! < Message-ID: <734da31c.0403200230.ae34651@posting.google.com>  q Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message news:<c3fl1u$4sv$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > David Svensson wrote:  > _ > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<404CD136.84C8780A@istop.com>...  > >  > >>David Svensson wrote:  > >>= > >>>to react to it like you do. Those who still use VMS need F > >>>encouragement, not a bully person setting them straight. I cannotB > >>>understand how you can take posts from Bob Ceculski seriosly. > >>P > >>Hey, don't blast Bob.  While his posts are overly enthousiastic, he seems to- > >>be defending VMS, not HP's bad decisions.  > >  > > H > > I don't mind Bob, it is OK with me, and it is also funny that AndrewF > > feels that he needs to answer :), but I don't find the discussions > > that follow so interesting.  >  > 1 > So you are happy about the image Bob portrays ?    Really, I don't care.   # > Is he the classic OpenVMS admin ?    I have no idea.   . > Lets hope not but some of his postings would- > make horribly usefull collateral for anyone / > trying intent on showing that OpenVMS is just 1 > a marginal OS for people with very very strange  > ideas. > / > I like Bob as well, his posts are normally so 3 > full of BS that correcting them is a pleasure and 4 > one that doesn't require me to break into a sweat.  F Perhaps I was unclear. I don't like or like him. I am neutral. Though,C it is sometimes funny which is a good thing and sometimes even more 0 fun when I see that you feel the need to answer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 10:49:10 +0100 , From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>! Subject: Re: Quorum Disk Question : Message-ID: <c3h42o$27lk3s$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>  ? "Dave Baxter" <dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com> schreef in bericht 7 news:a3c44af1.0403191408.2c60dfee@posting.google.com... H > Thanks to everyone who responded to my note, you all help a lot.   NewB > Question.     The reason I am running a 2-node cluster without aE > quorum disk is that I expected to have a third node in by now!    I ? > have now decided to go ahead and create a quorum disk anyway.  > . >      I have carried out the following steps. > G > 1.    enabled each node as a Quorum Watcher by running cluster_config 3 > on each cluster node and defined the quorum disk. ? > 2.    I checked modparams.dat to make sure that the necessary # > information is included, (it is). ? > 3.    I initialized the new disk ($1$dga1014:) with the label  > "QUORUM$DISK".F > 4.    My cluster storage is SAN (hence the dga device) so both nodes > can see the disk directly. > < >    My question is this.    Will the system mount this diskG > automatically on the next boot, or will I have to mount it explicitly  > (say in SYPAGSWPFILES.com)?  >  > thanks  J The quorum disk is accessed briefly, early in the boot process. On the old RA8nC drives the A or B channel button would light up on the quorum disk. J If you want to use the disk for anything useful you need to mount it. I've
 seen sitesK where they used SYLOGICALS.COM for that purpose. I wouldn't recommend that. G The procedure isn't called SYLOGICALS.COM for nothing... But SYLOGICALS E is always run by STARTUP.COM. The same applies for SYPAGSWPFILES.COM. C Mount your disks in SYSTARTUP_VMS because you have control over the 	 execution J of that procedure at boot time. I earned a good deal of money to solve the	 puzzle on G how to boot a VAX where disks were mounted in SYSLOGICALS and were, for . some reason, no longer available for mounting.   Hans   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:16:35 GMT 4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)! Subject: Re: Quorum Disk Question - Message-ID: <TuX6c.47304$_w.751878@attbi_s53>   a In article <%1Q6c.24870$4B1.20602@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> writes:  ! / !Basil Fong <reply@usenet.com> wrote in message + !news:c3g1a8$h4d$1@sparta.btinternet.com... M !> We have a 2 AXP (SAN) node cluster with the system disk also acting as the  !> quorum disk too.  !>J !> This seems to work quite well, is anybody else doing this or are we the !only 	 !> ones ?  !> ! H !We have over 60 2-node VMS clusters using the system disk as the quorumJ !disk.  Management did not want to waste space/spindles for a quorum disk.B !Now that we are using EVA's for new clusters, I can make an extra? !pagefile/quorum disk as an extra LUN without using unnecessary  !spindles/space.  M I was told that "best practice" suggested not to use the system disk, (or any N other disk) but to use a separate one.  I don't know the precise reason(s) forJ the suggestion, but I suppose it might have to do with accessing the disk;F imagine the havoc that might be visited on a cluster deleteing 4+GB of> highly-fragmented files from a disk which contains QUORUM.DAT.  L I haven't had the pleasure of using EVA for more than a year now, but I feltD great creating a quorum disk of minimal size - no more wasted space!   !  !Mike Naime  !  !  !  !  !   J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own" K bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-'  0                                          with @"   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:49:25 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) ! Subject: Re: Quorum Disk Question ( Message-ID: <c3hlll$rrh$1@pcls4.std.com>  2 dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter) writes:  G >Thanks to everyone who responded to my note, you all help a lot.   New A >Question.     The reason I am running a 2-node cluster without a D >quorum disk is that I expected to have a third node in by now!    I> >have now decided to go ahead and create a quorum disk anyway.  ? A quorum node will give quicker cluster transition performance. 8 The hardware can be cheap (an old workstation from Ebay)  ; >   My question is this.    Will the system mount this disk F >automatically on the next boot, or will I have to mount it explicitly >(say in SYPAGSWPFILES.com)?  G It can access the quorum disk without mounting it, but it will complain + "Please mount quorum disk" once in a while.   F You'll have to mount it the first boot at minimum so it can create theF quorum file.  Since there is no quorum file initially you'll need both nodes up to do this.     --   -Mike    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:53:00 GMT 4 From: "Roert G. Schaffrath" <rschaffrath@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: SIMH problems% Message-ID: <405C4CBC.274B@yahoo.com>   5 There is the SIMH mailing list.  Subscription info at ) http://simh.trailing-edge.com/help.html .    Robert   Dr. Dweeb wrote: >  > Hi,  > , > Is there a place where SIMH is discussed ? > K > In my instance I am trying to set up a VAX using SIMH on a Win2K machine.  > L > I would like then to connect and X-terminal to the SIMH, if that is indeedI > possible.  My machine is a 512MB 3.2Gz PIV, so I am assuming I have the ) > power to actually do this successfully.  > - > Anyhow, any direction would be appreciated.  >  > Dr. Dweeb. > < > The logfile is below (I have cleaned out some whitespace). >  > Logging to file "vax.log"  > do> load -r ka655.bin  > do> attach nvr ka655.nvr > do> set cpu 64m  > do> set lpt disable  > do> set tq disable > do> set rl disable > do> set ts disable > do> set rq0 ra92 > do> set rq1 ra92 > do> set rq2 ra92 > do> set rq3 cdrom  > do> att rq0 vms073.dsk > do> att rq1 vmsdata.dsk  > do> att rq2 tmpdata.dsk ! > do> att -r rq3 oraclerdbvax.iso  > do> dep bdr 0  > do> set cpu simhalt " > do> set xq mac=08-00-2B-AA-BB-CC > do> attach xq eth0@ > Eth: opened \Device\NPF_{6185B870-7EBC-4C1D-95C3-6ABD274FE847} >  > do> boot cpu > [cKA655-B V5.3, VMB 2.7 > ! > Performing normal system tests.  > B > 40..39..38..37..36..35..34..33..32..31..30..29..28..27..26..25..B > 24..23..22..21..20..19..18..17..16..15..14..13..12..11..10..09.. > 08..07..06..05..04..03.. >  > Tests completed. > Loading system software. > (BOOT/R5:0 ETH0  >  >   2..  >  > ?41 DEVASSIGN, ETH0 > HALT instruction, PC: 00000C1A (MOVL (R11),SP) > sim> exit 	 > Goodbye @ > Eth: closed \Device\NPF_{6185B870-7EBC-4C1D-95C3-6ABD274FE847} > Log file closed    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 05:31:06 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)/ Subject: Re: SSH, X11 forwarding and TCPIP V5.4 ; Message-ID: <405bc90a.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   D [X forwarding not working with Win32 PuTTY and TCP/IP Services' SSH]   I wrote:H > the problem then seems to be in SSH not supporting it (at least not in$ > the way that PuTTY uses it). Pity.  G I just built the current development version of PuTTY under Linux; this D one supports the -L switch. As PuTTY is self-contained (i.e. doesn'tH rely on any external SSH package), I guess that the next Windows versionF will be able to properly do X forwarding with TCP/IP Services. No idea" when it is to be expected, though.   cu,    Martin --  ;    OpenVMS @ 25      | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules! .                      | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deA    Still exceeding   |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ 5    expectations      | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Mar 2004 03:06:32 -0800' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson)  Subject: Re: Sun On The Run?= Message-ID: <734da31c.0403200306.56603594@posting.google.com>   q Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message news:<c3fgrl$3dm$4@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > David Svensson wrote:  >  > > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c2i1p2$pob$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > >  > >>Rob Young wrote: > >> > >>>In article <c2hpjr$mtb$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:  > >>>  > >>>  > >>>>Daryl Jones wrote: > >>>  > >>>  > >>>>>Second: > >>>>> K > >>>>>What is being done to SUN by LINUX it is the same thing SUN has been L > >>>>>doing to HP, IBM, Compaq, and others and vise versa. Take over a DataK > >>>>>Center by initially cutting its prices and then later boosting them. ) > >>>>>Business as usual in the IT world.  > >>>>>  > >>>>" > >>>>Provide examples if you can. > >>>> > >>>  > >>> @ > >>>	Really.  That claim is misleading.  I personally don't see= > >>>	Linux getting a whole lot more expensive and Intel kit  C > >>>	has been stable or declining for years in price.  I seriously F > >>>	doubt HP boosts their Intel kit prices - Dell is always lurking! > >>>  > >> > >>E > >>>http://www.forbes.com/technology/2004/03/03/cz_dl_0303linux.html  > >>> S > >>>Same goes for Jorge Borbolla, chief information officer at AutoTradeCenter, an R > >>>online auto wholesaler in Menlo Park, Calif.--Sun let him go without a fight.P > >>>Borbolla just replaced all of his Sun computers with HP Intel-based serversR > >>>running Linux. "It was the money," Borbolla says. "The Linux systems were 40%$ > >>>the cost of the Sun machines."  > >>>  > >>B > >>SPARC boxes all include Solaris right to use licenses with the > >>systems. > >>I > >>HP x86 boxes don't include a commecrial Linux license and if you want I > >>to run almost any kind of commercial app you have to buy a commercial 4 > >>Linux release which ends up being mainly Redhat. > >>D > >>RedHat AS which is what most customers end up with costs between= > >>$1499 and $2499 per year so on a cheap HP you add another  > >>$4.5-$7.5K.  > >>A > >>This means that low end x86 boxes actually end up costing ~2x  > >>the cost of a low end Sun. > >>> > >>Of course if you only consider the hardware costs then the: > >>Sun's may be more expensive but then you have to run a< > >>community version of Linux and you cannot do that if you# > >>want supported commercial apps.  > >>B > >>Of course if you are smart you add up the cost of the hardware! > >>................. and the OS.  > >> > >>regards  > >>Andrew Harrison  > >  > > F > > Are you saying that the world is screwed and don't understand it'sH > > best? I am seeing lots of sites that have been and are replacing SunC > > Sparc servers with x86 Linux servers. Most of this replacing is  > > because of costs.  >  > ) > Absolutely correct do you want a prize.    Yes.  1 > Replacing old Sun's with new PC's running Linux 3 > may well save money, but then replacing old Sun's ' > with new Sun's would also save money.   
 That is true.   0 > Chosing new Server running Linux as opposed to5 > new Sun's running Solaris is unlikely to save money 5 > unless you use free Linux and you can't if you want # > supported apps or a supported OS.   = RedHat and Suse have pretty good enterprise support nowadays. ' Oracle/DB2 support Linux installations.  Those two are cheaper on Linux.   B And as you say free Linux, there are many installations today that? used to be under support contracts that today run Linux without C support contracts. That is a reality that hurts the commercial UNIX E systems (though it may be scary). I recently saw a hospital replacing F fully supported Digital UNIX installations with "do it yourself" Linux installations.  	 > Regards  > Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2004 22:53:06 -0800) From: ssmith94132@yahoo.com (Steve Smith) 6 Subject: Re: [Simh] Newbie has network compile problem< Message-ID: <33bc038.0403192253.4477e48a@posting.google.com>  B Thanks everybody. Adding paths in the makefile for libpcap did it!   - Steve   a Alan Fay <alan@fay.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:<c3fs9f$3j0$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>... = > Bob Supnik's SIMH for VAX runs great. Here is my SIMH VAX:-  > 
 > $ sh sysJ > VAX/VMS V5.5  on node MVAX  19-MAR-2004 21:30:00.81   Uptime  0 03:01:23O >   Pid    Process Name    State  Pri      I/O       CPU       Page flts Ph.Mem R > 00000021 SWAPPER         HIB     16        0   0 00:00:45.89         0      0   R > 00000025 CONFIGURE       HIB      8        7   0 00:00:00.04        98    159   R > 00000026 IPCACP          HIB     10        9   0 00:00:00.04        96    156   R > 00000028 ERRFMT          HIB      8      206   0 00:00:00.29       102    102   R > 00000029 OPCOM           HIB      8      110   0 00:00:00.24       249    125   R > 0000002A AUDIT_SERVER    HIB     10       47   0 00:00:00.25      1359    423   R > 0000002B JOB_CONTROL     HIB     10      120   0 00:00:00.20       125    209   R > 0000002C TP_SERVER       HIB     10     1033   0 00:00:00.47       162    268   R > 0000002D UCX$INET_ACP    HIB      9      205   0 00:00:00.34       331    372   R > 0000002F ALAN            CUR      7    75430   0 00:32:55.47   4877696    258    > $  > + > I have 8 RA92 disks plus 4 CD's mounted:-  >  > $ sh dev dR > Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntR >  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count CntR > MVAX$DUA0:              Mounted alloc        0  VAXVMSV073     1430037     1   1R > MVAX$DUA1:              Mounted              0  VAXVMSV055     1499511   162   1R > MVAX$DUA2:              Mounted alloc        0  DUA2           1662207     1   1R > MVAX$DUA3:              Mounted alloc        0  DUA3           2940585     1   1R > MVAX$DUB4:              Mounted alloc        0  DUB4            430863     1   1R > MVAX$DUB5:              Mounted alloc        0  DUB5           2940585     1   1R > MVAX$DUB6:              Mounted alloc        0  I64081         1524915     1   1R > MVAX$DUB7:              Mounted alloc        0  DUB7           2940585     1   1R > MVAX$DUC8:              Mounted alloc        0  VAXBINDEC033    183264     1   1* >                         wrtlck          R > MVAX$DUC9:              Mounted alloc        0  FREEWARE50_2     56934     1   1* >                         wrtlck          R > MVAX$DUC10:             Mounted alloc        0  VAXVMS073        16137     1   1* >                         wrtlck          R > MVAX$DUC11:             Mounted alloc        0  VAXVMS062       134463     1   1* >                         wrtlck           > $  >  > Networking also works:-  >  > $ ucx sh host mvax	 >          >      LOCAL database  >    > Host address    Host name  >    > 192.168.1.57    mvax, MVAX > $  > $ ucx sh serv N > Service             Port  Proto    Process          Address            StateQ > BPCD               13782  TCP      BPCD             0.0.0.0             Enabled2Q > FTP                   21  TCP      UCX$FTPD         0.0.0.0             EnabledrQ > REXEC                512  TCP      UCX$REXECD       0.0.0.0             EnabledsQ > RLOGIN               513  TCP      not defined      0.0.0.0             Enabled-Q > RSH                  514  TCP      UCX$RSHD         0.0.0.0             EnabledfQ > TELNET                23  TCP      not defined      0.0.0.0             Enabledi > $  > 4 > eth1 is actually configured as (not the same ip):- > # > [root@enigma simh]# ifconfig eth1C; > eth1      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0C:6E:7A:03:0B   K >           inet addr:192.168.0.22  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0-> >           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1C >           RX packets:610912 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0sE >           TX packets:421887 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:05) >           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 @H >           RX bytes:586141351 (558.9 Mb)  TX bytes:548798118 (523.3 Mb)+ >           Interrupt:10 Memory:feaf4000-0 F >  > [root@enigma simh]#  > # > This is running on RH Linux 7.2:-2 >  > [root@enigma simh]# uname -aC > Linux enigma 2.4.23 #13 Sat Feb 28 18:48:34 GMT 2004 i686 unknown1 > [root@enigma simh]#  > , > Now list the libraries SIMH VAX is using:- >  > [root@enigma simh]# ldd vax 0 > 	libm.so.6 => /lib/i686/libm.so.6 (0x40033000)= > 	libpcap.so.0.6.2 => /usr/lib/libpcap.so.0.6.2 (0x40056000)50 > 	libc.so.6 => /lib/i686/libc.so.6 (0x40071000)8 > 	/lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40000000) > [root@enigma simh]#  > 2 > Notice /usr/lib/libpcap.so.0.6.2 for networking. >  > Compile with:- > 0 > [root@enigma simh]# make USE_NETWORK=1 BIN/vax >  > Here is my vax.ini file:-  >  > ;e > ; Load CPU microcode > load -r ka655.binf > ;d% > ; Attach non-volatile RAM to a filei > attach nvr nvram.bin > ;>' > ; This virtual machine has 64M memory 
 > set cpu 64m  > ; A > ; Define disk drive types. RA92 is largest-supported VAX drive.e > ;  > set rqb enable > set rqc enable > ;e > ; DUA0: DUA1: DUA2: DUA3:s > set rq0 ra92 > set rq1 ra92 > set rq2 ra92 > set rq3 ra92 > attach rq0 dua0.dskh > attach rq1 dua1.dsk  > attach rq2 dua2.dsk  > attach rq3 dua3.dski > ; DUB4: DUB5: DUB6: DUB7:a > set rqb0 ra92' > set rqb1 ra92' > set rqb2 ra92  > set rqb3 ra92t > attach rqb0 dub4.dsk > attach rqb1 dub5.dsk > attach rqb2 i64081.dsk > attach rqb3 dub7.dsk > ; DUC8: DUC9: DUC10: DUC11:  > set rqc0 cdrom > set rqc1 cdrom > set rqc2 cdrom > set rqc3 cdrom  > attach -r rqc0 vaxvmsspl02.iso > attach -r rqc1 freeware52.isoa > attach -r rqc2 vaxvms073.iso > attach -r rqc3 vms062.isoo
 > ; tk50's > ; MUA0: MUA1: MUA2: MUA3:t > set tq0 tk70 > set tq1 tk70 > set tq2 tk70 > set tq3 tk70 > attach tq0 vms0621.tap > attach tq1 vms0622.tap > attach tq2 vms551.taph > ;eM > ; Disable unused devices. It's also possible to disable individual devices,o; > ; using a construction like "set rq2 disable" if desired.t > ;e > set rl disable > set ts disable > ;i/ > ; Attach Ethernet eth1 to a network interfacee > set xq mac=08-00-2B-AA-BB-CC > attach xq eth1 > ;e > ; Now start the emulator
 > boot cpu >  > Here is my boot sequence:- >  > [root@enigma simh]# ./vaxn >  > VAX simulator V2.10-4a > NVR: buffering file in memory- > RQC: unit is read only > RQC: unit is read only > RQC: unit is read only > RQC: unit is read only > Invalid argument > Invalid argument > Invalid argument > Invalid argument >  >  > KA655-B V5.3, VMB 2.7 ! > Performing normal system tests. B > 40..39..38..37..36..35..34..33..32..31..30..29..28..27..26..25..B > 24..23..22..21..20..19..18..17..16..15..14..13..12..11..10..09.. > 08..07..06..05..04..03.. > Tests completed.	 > >>>boott > (BOOT/R5:0 DUA1) >  >  >  >   2..l > -DUA1 
 >   1..0.. >  > G >    VAX/VMS Version V5.5     Major version id = 1 Minor version id = 0  > M > $!  Copyright (c) 1991 Digital Equipment Corporation.  All rights reserved.t > @ > %STDRV-I-STARTUP, VMS startup begun at 19-MAR-2004 22:13:13.55J > %SET-I-NEWAUDSRV, identification of new audit server process is 0000002A: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  19-MAR-2004 22:13:42.36  %%%%%%%%%%%8 > Operator _MVAX$OPA0: has been enabled, username SYSTEM > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  19-MAR-2004 22:13:42.36  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Operator status for operator _MVAX$OPA0:M > CENTRAL, PRINTER, TAPES, DISKS, DEVICES, CARDS, NETWORK, CLUSTER, SECURITY,}Q > LICENSE, OPER1, OPER2, OPER3, OPER4, OPER5, OPER6, OPER7, OPER8, OPER9, OPER10,- > OPER11, OPER12 > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  19-MAR-2004 22:13:45.48  %%%%%%%%%%%6 > Logfile has been initialized by operator _MVAX$OPA0:6 > Logfile is MVAX::SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]OPERATOR.LOG;55 > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  19-MAR-2004 22:13:45.49  %%%%%%%%%%%H > Operator status for operator MVAX::SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]OPERATOR.LOG;55M > CENTRAL, PRINTER, TAPES, DISKS, DEVICES, CARDS, NETWORK, CLUSTER, SECURITY, Q > LICENSE, OPER1, OPER2, OPER3, OPER4, OPER5, OPER6, OPER7, OPER8, OPER9, OPER10,  > OPER11, OPER12 > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  19-MAR-2004 22:13:47.71  %%%%%%%%%%%" > Message from user SYSTEM on MVAXI > Warning: DECdtm log file not found (SYS$JOURNAL:SYSTEM$MVAX.LM$JOURNAL)U$ >         %RMS-E-FNF, file not found# >         TP server process waitingt >  > ? > %RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process is 0000002Dh: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  19-MAR-2004 22:14:51.73  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user INTERnet on MVAX > INTERnet Loadeda > 7 > The Internet driver and ACP were successfully loaded.-3 > %UCX-I-SETLOCAL, Setting domain and/or local host . > %UCX-I-SETPROTP, Setting protocol parameters* > %UCX-I-STARTCOMM, Starting communication: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  19-MAR-2004 22:14:54.93  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user INTERnet on MVAX > INTERnet Started > % > %UCX-I-DEFINTE, Defining interfacesR: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  19-MAR-2004 22:14:56.12  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user INTERnet on MVAX. > INTERnet ACP Created INTERnet interface: QE0 > $ > %UCX-I-ENABSERV, Enabling services: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  19-MAR-2004 22:14:56.22  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user INTERnet on MVAX# > INTERnet ACP Activate FTP Server r > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  19-MAR-2004 22:14:56.24  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user INTERnet on MVAX% > INTERnet ACP Activate REXEC Server f > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  19-MAR-2004 22:14:56.26  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user INTERnet on MVAX6 > INTERnet ACP Remote Terminal Services START - RLOGIN > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  19-MAR-2004 22:14:56.26  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user INTERnet on MVAX& > INTERnet ACP Activate RLOGIN Server  > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  19-MAR-2004 22:14:56.28  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user INTERnet on MVAX# > INTERnet ACP Activate RSH Server r > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  19-MAR-2004 22:14:56.30  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user INTERnet on MVAX6 > INTERnet ACP Remote Terminal Services START - TELNET > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  19-MAR-2004 22:14:56.31  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user INTERnet on MVAX& > INTERnet ACP Activate TELNET Server  > ) > %UCX-I-STARTNAME, Starting name_serviceM7 > %UCX-I-LOADSERV, Loading UCX Server proxy information,@ > %UCX-I-SERVLOADED, UCX Aux. Server loaded with 1 proxy records9 > -UCX-I-SERVSKIP,  Skipped 0 communication proxy recordsn2 > -UCX-I-SERVTOTAL,  Total of 1 proxy records read; > %DECW-W-NODEVICE, No graphics device found on this systemX@ > -DECW-I-NODECW, DECwindows graphics drivers will not be loadedL > %SET-I-INTSET, login interactive limit = 64, current interactive value = 0 >   19-MAR-2004 22:15:23: >   SYSTEM       job terminated at 19-MAR-2004 22:15:24.16 >  >   Accounting information::N >   Buffered I/O count:            1856         Peak working set size:     806N >   Direct I/O count:              1141         Peak page file size:     11393N >   Page faults:                  30643         Mounted volumes:             0O >   Charged CPU time:           0 00:00:30.26   Elapsed time:     0 00:02:10.82t >  > ? > %RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process is 0000002Dg: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  19-MAR-2004 22:14:51.73  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user INTERnet on MVAX > INTERnet Loadedh > 7 > The Internet driver and ACP were successfully loaded.l3 > %UCX-I-SETLOCAL, Setting domain and/or local hoste. > %UCX-I-SETPROTP, Setting protocol parameters* > %UCX-I-STARTCOMM, Starting communication: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  19-MAR-2004 22:14:54.93  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user INTERnet on MVAX > INTERnet Started > % > %UCX-I-DEFINTE, Defining interfacesR: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  19-MAR-2004 22:14:56.12  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user INTERnet on MVAX. > INTERnet ACP Created INTERnet interface: QE0 > $ > %UCX-I-ENABSERV, Enabling services: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  19-MAR-2004 22:14:56.22  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user INTERnet on MVAX# > INTERnet ACP Activate FTP Server   > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  19-MAR-2004 22:14:56.24  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user INTERnet on MVAX% > INTERnet ACP Activate REXEC Server   > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  19-MAR-2004 22:14:56.26  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user INTERnet on MVAX6 > INTERnet ACP Remote Terminal Services START - RLOGIN > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  19-MAR-2004 22:14:56.26  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user INTERnet on MVAX& > INTERnet ACP Activate RLOGIN Server  > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  19-MAR-2004 22:14:56.28  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user INTERnet on MVAX# > INTERnet ACP Activate RSH Server o > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  19-MAR-2004 22:14:56.30  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user INTERnet on MVAX6 > INTERnet ACP Remote Terminal Services START - TELNET > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  19-MAR-2004 22:14:56.31  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user INTERnet on MVAX& > INTERnet ACP Activate TELNET Server  > ) > %UCX-I-STARTNAME, Starting name_servicet7 > %UCX-I-LOADSERV, Loading UCX Server proxy information @ > %UCX-I-SERVLOADED, UCX Aux. Server loaded with 1 proxy records9 > -UCX-I-SERVSKIP,  Skipped 0 communication proxy recordsf2 > -UCX-I-SERVTOTAL,  Total of 1 proxy records read; > %DECW-W-NODEVICE, No graphics device found on this system @ > -DECW-I-NODECW, DECwindows graphics drivers will not be loadedL > %SET-I-INTSET, login interactive limit = 64, current interactive value = 0 >   19-MAR-2004 22:15:23: >   SYSTEM       job terminated at 19-MAR-2004 22:15:24.16 >  >   Accounting information: N >   Buffered I/O count:            1856         Peak working set size:     806N >   Direct I/O count:              1141         Peak page file size:     11393N >   Page faults:                  30643         Mounted volumes:             0O >   Charged CPU time:           0 00:00:30.26   Elapsed time:     0 00:02:10.82h >  > Username: ALAN > Password: ) >         Welcome to VAX/VMS version V5.5t9 >     Last interactive login on Friday, 19-MAR-2004 18:30e? >     Last non-interactive login on Saturday, 13-MAR-2004 18:21  > $  >  > 
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