1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 21 Mar 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 158       Contents: Re: Athlon 64 vs Opteron: diff?  HSV110 replacement question / Re: perhaps on-topic: Google can't find a page! D Re: Professional Agitator - Harrison, Andrew. Confimed on sun.com!!!4 Using perl under GNV - (Was: ODS-5 after five years) [OT]: WinCE  Re: [OT]: WinCE   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 12:51:51 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> ( Subject: Re: Athlon 64 vs Opteron: diff?' Message-ID: <405CA0D7.2030003@MMaz.com>    Bill Todd wrote:  / >"Nigel Barker" <nigel@hp.com> wrote in message 3 >news:bq3o5052cjomhh0jc527d9ik52f8jv66r1@4ax.com...  >    > 5 >>On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 18:55:39 +0000, Andrew Harrison , >><andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote: >> >>     >> >>>Didier Morandi wrote: >>> 	 >>>        >>> H >>>>Could someone please share some light on the differences between the >>>>         >>>> >AMD >    > ) >>>>Athlon-64 and the Opteron processors?  >>>> >>>>         >>>>C >>>Athlon-64 is for single CPU systems, Opteron is for SMP systems. 	 >>>        >>>  >>Small SMP systems. >>     >> > H >Small, fast, inexpensive, cool-running, IA32-performance-compatible SMP7 >systems - with large, fast, inexpensive, cool-running, B >IA32-performance-compatible SMP systems under active development. > J >Of course, if you don't care about the cool-running and inexpensive partsE >and perhaps some of the performance, you'll be able to buy the other L >characteristics on a Xeon base fairly soon - including the higher processorG >counts, since the IBM Xeon platform reportedly already supports 64-bit ? >operation (whether the Unisys platform does too I don't know).  >    > % All things that IA64 will never be...    Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 11:55:34 -0700 ' From: John Nebel <john.nebel@csdco.com> $ Subject: HSV110 replacement question( Message-ID: <405C93A6.3040209@csdco.com>  B Is replacing one of an HSV pair as simple as shutting it down and = connecting another controller?, then powering up the new one?   B I haven't been able to find instructions for this anywhere.  Just * thinking ahead, in case that is necessary.  
 John Nebel   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:07:57 -0600 " From: MikeWJ <mjenkins//mfire.com>8 Subject: Re: perhaps on-topic: Google can't find a page!8 Message-ID: <f29q501c2nlgl5rs31biq09jj07df8c220@4ax.com>   Ken,  K The magazine, MaximumPC, for April 2004, has a 5 page article on Google, if  you're interested.   MikeWJ  3 "Ken Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com> wrote:   M >"Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de> 0 >wrote in message news:c3alnp$70l$1@online.de...D >> I have the OSU web server doing some multi-homing (i.e. differentJ >> domains, same IP address) on my hobbyist cluster.  So far, so good, andD >> everything seems to work fine.  However, a page which has been inJ >> existence for 3 weeks or so isn't visible to Google (which I've checkedH >> regularly) (nor to some other search engines, which I haven't checkedI >> that often), even though I explicitly asked Google to index it after a  >> couple of weeks.  >>D >> I have another page, which has been around for years but which isJ >> modified regularly, which has a link to the new page.  This old page isK >> easily found by Google.  It is being served by the web server running on ' >> another port, NOT doing multihoming.  >>I >> Google isn't in the access log of the domain in question.  However, it K >> DOES appear regularly (every 3--5 days) in the default access log of the I >> web server, which one gets into if one types in the IP address instead  >> of one of the domains.  >>A >> Thus, it seems the following is happening: Google has the URL, I >> translates it to get an IP address, accesses the web server via the IP ) >> address, and then can't find the page.  >> >> I can't prove this though.  >>H >> Is there a problem with Google reaching pages on multi-homed servers? > B >Google has no problem with my virtual servers, over a half dozen. > I >I don't have a clue how Google works.  I can tell you they rake my sites ; >multiple times daily along with many other search engines.  >  >Ken   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Mar 2004 18:28:40 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)M Subject: Re: Professional Agitator - Harrison, Andrew. Confimed on sun.com!!! = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0403201828.6cca5be0@posting.google.com>   q Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message news:<c3fl1u$4sv$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > David Svensson wrote:  > _ > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<404CD136.84C8780A@istop.com>...  > >  > >>David Svensson wrote:  > >>= > >>>to react to it like you do. Those who still use VMS need F > >>>encouragement, not a bully person setting them straight. I cannotB > >>>understand how you can take posts from Bob Ceculski seriosly. > >>P > >>Hey, don't blast Bob.  While his posts are overly enthousiastic, he seems to- > >>be defending VMS, not HP's bad decisions.  > >  > > H > > I don't mind Bob, it is OK with me, and it is also funny that AndrewF > > feels that he needs to answer :), but I don't find the discussions > > that follow so interesting.  >  > 1 > So you are happy about the image Bob portrays ?  > # > Is he the classic OpenVMS admin ?  > . > Lets hope not but some of his postings would- > make horribly usefull collateral for anyone / > trying intent on showing that OpenVMS is just 1 > a marginal OS for people with very very strange  > ideas. > / > I like Bob as well, his posts are normally so 3 > full of BS that correcting them is a pleasure and 4 > one that doesn't require me to break into a sweat. > 	 > Regards  > Andrew Harrison   2 calling vms a marginal os is total bs ... which is# all you spout off on this board ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 18:52:49 -0500 - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> = Subject: Using perl under GNV - (Was: ODS-5 after five years) 1 Message-ID: <PvSdnYzpXtvMRMHdRVn-tA@adelphia.com>    Craig A. Berry wrote: 3 > In article <yI2dncwdJd_JN8bdRVn-vw@adelphia.com>, 1 >  "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote:   J >>Apparently to build a component of Mozilla, a version of PERL is needed J >>that when run under BASH on an ODS-5, keep the filenames in UNIX format  >>including preserving case. >   D > I heard Mozilla needs (did need?) the now defunct POSIX kernel to D > build, in which case the Perl involved was probably built without  > knowing it was on VMS.    I No, since at about Mozilla 1.4, the build for OpenVMS has been using GNV.   D I think that Perl is needed to rebuild GTK+ completely from sources.  F >>I have a patch procedure that should build such a version, but that J >>patch hardcodes the behavior instead of making it selectable outside of 
 >>the script.  >   E > Making Perl case preserving and honoring DECC$EFS_CASE_PRESERVE is  I > pretty easy and I've got a patch that'll do that, but the flip side of  B > case preserving is that you then have to make sure all filename  > comparisons are case blind.   F I have not looked into this fully, but it appears that the section of F the build that uses perl requires that the comparisons be case exact,  and UNIX syntax.   The patches are:  ? In mp_do_rmsexpand in vms.c, set isunix if the filespec is ".".   1 Disable DECC$FILENAME_UNIX_ONLY in vms_image_init   F In VMSISH.H, Change the BIT_BUCKET to be /dev/null/ and do not define 9 unlink to kill_file, instead #define UNLINK_ALL_VERSIONS.    Then use MMS to build perl.   G Then more edits, apparently perl is somehow used to build perl, so the  < following edits can not be done until after the first build.  H In [.VMS]VMS.C, in Perl_readdir, don't force the filename to lowercase, $ but make sure it is null terminated.   Then run MMS again.   G In [.LIB]CWD.pm, the vms_cwd function that used to be $ENV{'DEFAULT'}'   becomes:        use VMS::Filespec;       sub _vms_cwd { " 	my $d = unixify($ENV{'DEFAULT'}); 	$d =~ s/\/$//;  	return $d;       }I In [lib.file]spec.pm, In the modules table at the start, map VMS to Unix   by commenting out the VMS line.   C And the command $DEFINE PERL5OPT "-" is needed to prevent an error  % message when running perl under bash.   E As I do not know much about PERL, I really do not know the impact of  I these changes, or if there is a way to have one VMS distribution of perl  E that will work both ways.  Particularly to detect if the environment  " variable "SHELL" is set to "bash".  A I have the source for Perl-5.8.1 in a ZIP archive, and a tarball   containing 5.8.3.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 19:28:35 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: [OT]: WinCEH Message-ID: <DX07c.109076$TxJ.1514@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:405B6AFA.D0F2EA91@istop.com... C > > > http://www.epinions.com/cmd-review-15CA-7B5915-394AB4AC-prod3 A > > >   "The PocketPC OS is basically WinCe with still more added . > > >     features, without most of the bugs." > % > Ok, that article is not worth much.  > L > One needs to look at the year it was written: 2000. The writer mentions he has L > tried all PDAs, but fails to mention PSIONs which were still alive at that time.  > E > In fact, when Microsoft developped WinCE in 1998, it was to counter  PSIONs, L > not PALMS. And so much so, that PSION released its PSION 5 (first with the 32L > bit EPOC OS) before it was actually ready because it wanted to be first to8 > market since Microsoft had promised so much for WinCE. > K > Turns out that the first couple of versions of WinCE were total duds, and K > PSION's product, with all its flaws because it was released before it was I > finished was still far superior. PALM at that time still had not "taken  over  > the world" (but had begun to). > D > Now, by 2000, Palm had become the "de facto standard" PDA in north america,I > and Microsoft was quick to get Compaq to produce a new WINCE, this time  aimed K > at Palm instead of PSION (which by that time, had pulled out of the north H > american market, retrenching to Europe). It was rebranded as PocketPC. > L > Meanwhile, PSION had spun off its EPOC32 OS to Symbian and had gotten manyE > mobile phone nmanufacturers to jump in, despite strong efforts from 	 Microsoft I > to lure them to WinCE. But WinCE just wasn't capable of handling phones  (no J > real time capability for instance) and was full of bug, and very bloated (more K > expensive hardware to run it). Microsoft never did manage to make serious K > inroads into the mobile market, although it has managed to ruin cars like 5 > Mercedes by bribing its way in luxury car cockpits.     F Ask BMW about their much maligned iDrive in the new 7-Series and theirK relationship with Microsoft. I was told on Thursday by my local dealer that E BMW USA has acres of 7-series cars they have quietly bought-back from G dissatisfied customers - almost all related to issues with iDrive bugs, G traced back to the operating system chosen. I also saw several articles 7 about this same matter in a few reputable publications.   C In fairness, it appears that recently manufactured 7-Series are not K experiencing the same issues as earlier production vehicles. Apparently the J 'application software' running the car is up to v11.0 in just over 2 yearsI of manufacture, and I don't suppose they've added new features like stock 3 trading from a heads-up display in their revisions.   J Aside from that, it's my wish that BMW subcontracts out the electronics onK their cars to the Japanese and do the rest themselves. My '5' has had a lot J of intermittent electrical problems, include one where BMW has no clue how to reliably fix.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 21:41:07 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: [OT]: WinCE0 Message-ID: <00A2F222.9B4C57B6@SendSpamHere.ORG>  n In article <DX07c.109076$TxJ.1514@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > 8 >"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message$ >news:405B6AFA.D0F2EA91@istop.com...D >> > > http://www.epinions.com/cmd-review-15CA-7B5915-394AB4AC-prod3B >> > >   "The PocketPC OS is basically WinCe with still more added/ >> > >     features, without most of the bugs."  >>& >> Ok, that article is not worth much. >>M >> One needs to look at the year it was written: 2000. The writer mentions he  >hasM >> tried all PDAs, but fails to mention PSIONs which were still alive at that  >time. >>F >> In fact, when Microsoft developped WinCE in 1998, it was to counter >PSIONs,
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