1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 22 Mar 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 160       Contents: Gartner  Re: Gartner  Re: HSV110 replacement question  Re: HSV110 replacement question  Re: HSV110 replacement question " Re: IA64 version of SETI for VMS ? Non-VMS advertising by HP  Re: Non-VMS advertising by HP  Re: Non-VMS advertising by HP : Q:  Modified Date-time vs. batch job termination date-time Securing files under VMS Re: Securing files under VMS Re: Securing files under VMS Re: Securing files under VMS& Re: Someone tried to crack my Alpha... Re: Support of USB Memory stick  Re: Support of USB Memory stick & Wants to run autogen evertime it boots* Re: Wants to run autogen evertime it boots* Re: Wants to run autogen evertime it boots8 Re: why isn't there room on this disk for the swap file?8 Re: why isn't there room on this disk for the swap file?8 Re: why isn't there room on this disk for the swap file?8 Re: why isn't there room on this disk for the swap file?8 Re: why isn't there room on this disk for the swap file?8 Re: why isn't there room on this disk for the swap file?8 Re: why isn't there room on this disk for the swap file?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 03:28:51 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: GartnerM Message-ID: <T3t7c.113731$uUx1.81833@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   J In case you may not have seen these articles before...even though they are from November 2003  ' Editor's Note: A Closer Look At Gartner         $ By Stephanie Stahl,  InformationWeek Nov. 3, 2003 URL:I http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=15800386       I Due diligence, company viability, scrutiny--how many times have you heard C those words over the past few years of economic turmoil? As budgets F tightened, companies of all sizes upped their efforts to make sure theG companies they bought products or services from were financially sound, & trustworthy, and in for the long haul.  I It's not unreasonable to apply a similar level of scrutiny to the analyst G firms you turn to for market research and advice. It's been a few years K since we studied the analyst community in depth, but our research has shown G that InformationWeek readers spend tens of thousands of dollars on such 1 services, with the lion's share going to Gartner.   L Recent news of a debt-conversion transaction whereby Silver Lake Partners, aL private equity-investment firm, gained 49.4 million shares of Gartner stock,L 38% of outstanding shares, prompted us to take a closer look at the company.H On p. 22, senior editor at large John Foley explains who's behind SilverL Lake (some names you'll recognize: Dell, Ellison, Gates), how much influenceI these investors have (Gartner execs insist they have none), and what some @ customers who invest in Gartner's services have to say about it.  D Let me be clear. We aren't suggesting that Gartner is doing anythingK unscrupulous. In fact, our staff occasionally calls on Gartner analysts for K input on the stories printed in this magazine. But for companies that spend L significant amounts of money on consulting services, we think it's importantH to know who's behind them. Strange thing is, Gartner's CEO claims not toI know who the investors in Silver Lake are and says he's never asked. Now, I call me silly, but if you were CEO of a company that had 38% of its stock < controlled by an investment firm, wouldn't you want to know?   Stephanie Stahl  Editor -----------------------    Who Owns Gartner?   H The firm insists that an influential VC's 38% stake won't compromise its objectivity     A By Thomas Claburn,  John Foley,  David M. Ewalt,  InformationWeek  Nov. 3, 2003 URL:I http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=15800394       G Two weeks ago, 700 CIOs and thousands of other technology professionals K attended a six-day strategy fest in Orlando, Fla., to hear Gartner analysts F talk about everything from application integration to business-processE "fusion." The IT research and advisory firm can draw such a large and E influential crowd because of its track record for providing top-notch > analysis of IT trends and helping companies develop successfulJ business-technology plans. Would their respect for Gartner's advice changeJ if they knew the firm is indirectly owned by dozens of big-money investors9 who control some of the same companies Gartner evaluates?   G That scenario was not an issue as recently as a few weeks ago. But in a F debt-to-stock conversion that took place in early October, Silver LakeF Partners, a Silicon Valley private equity-investment firm, gained 49.4H million shares of Gartner stock, or about 38% of outstanding shares. TwoI principals of Silver Lake, Glenn Hutchins and David Roux, already were on ' Gartner's 10-member board of directors.   E Silver Lake invests large stakes--in the range of $50 million to $400 L million--in only a few companies, betting it can realize big returns throughJ financial engineering and a hands-on approach. The firm's general partnersE include Roger McNamee, a co-founder who gained fortune and fame as an G investor, and Ed Zander, who joined Silver Lake after 15 years as a top   executive with Sun Microsystems.  L But it's the individuals who invest in Silver Lake, called limited partners,K who might be of most interest to Gartner clients. According to Silver Lake, F they include more than 150 "leading technology executives from the topG technology firms." Some of the names you might recognize: Michael Dell,  Larry Ellison, and Bill Gates.  I No one has suggested that Gartner's output has been tainted in any way by H the indirect connection between the industry heavyweights that invest inD Silver Lake and the market advice Gartner's analysts and consultantsL provide. But Gartner's customers want to know that the connection exists and how the company deals with it.  @ "That's definitely relevant to us," says Onker Basu, a VP in theL information-services division of National City Corp., a bank holding companyK with $100 billion worth of assets that's a Gartner client. Basu didn't know F of the relationship between Silver Lake and Gartner but says he'll payH closer attention. "We have an interest in knowing what could potentially influence Gartner's output."  F Gartner is the dominant provider of business-technology research, withA clients spending $85,000 to $95,000 on average. In a 2001 survey, H InformationWeek Research found almost nine of 10 companies surveyed used! Gartner as an information source.   L Freight company Menlo Worldwide Forwarding is a Gartner client, and managingJ director of IT Ron Berger was unaware of Silver Lake's large stake. BergerH says he'll reserve judgment on Gartner until he learns more but makes itI clear the company's objectivity counts for a lot. "The value of a company - like [Gartner] is its impartiality," he says.   I Gartner officials don't go out of their way to talk about the Silver Lake K ownership. The advisory firm disclosed on Oct. 8 that its $300 million debt H to Silver Lake was converted into shares, but the subject didn't come upJ less than two weeks later at its Symposium conference. Gartner CEO MichaelF Fleisher says that's largely because no one's interested. "I meet withK hundreds of clients," Fleisher explains. "I've never had a client ask about 
 Silver Lake."   D Customers need not worry about Gartner's objectivity, Fleisher says.D Investors and board members have "no influence, input, or connectionJ whatsoever to the research process," he says. "There's no dialogue betweenL board members and analysts, no communications path, no reviewing of researchK by board members." To ensure the integrity of its advice, Gartner also uses F peer review to encourage researchers to comment on one another's work.G Fleisher insists he doesn't even know who invests in Silver Lake: "I've ! never seen a list or even asked."   B Still, could Silver Lake's close ties to tech execs hurt Gartner'sJ reputation just by association? Silver Lake touts those relationships as aL competitive advantage and says it will tap them to help portfolio companies.K But Silver Lake managing director Mike Bingle downplays potential conflicts G of interest. "They have absolutely no influence or governance over what L decisions we make," he says. "Their investments are entirely financial, made at arm's length."   J Customers are very sensitive these days "to activities that compromise theL objectivity of research firms," says Tony Friscia, CEO of Gartner competitorI AMR Research. But Gartner's Silver Lake ties aren't cause for concern, he H says. Friscia refers to Dell, Ellison, and Gates as passive investors inF Silver Lake, adding, "It's not like Larry Ellison took a 20% ownership position in Gartner."   H Silver Lake's involvement might never touch Gartner's research, but it'sI likely to have an impact on Gartner's business. The firm has a reputation G for being an active investor. It was part owner of Datek Online Holding H Corp. prior to Datek's $1.3 billion merger with Ameritrade Holding Corp.E Before that, it helped architect a deal that involved the transfer of J Seagate Technology's operating assets to a third company--formed by SilverJ Lake and other private equity investors--followed by the merger of Seagate% and a subsidiary of Veritas Software.   I Given its deal-making background, Silver Lake's leadership is unlikely to E wait quietly if Gartner's business doesn't improve. Gartner last week F reported an 11% decline in revenue, to $197 million, for the SeptemberK quarter, which included a 6% drop in its flagship research business and 21% E fall in consulting fees compared with a year ago. Profit sank to $5.5 H million from $15.6 million last year. "This segment overall is in reallyI rough shape and needs to reinvent itself," says Chuck Richard, an analyst ; with Outsell, a research firm that tracks Gartner and other  information-services providers.   L In a 10Q statement Gartner filed with the Securities and Exchange CommissionL in August, before the debt conversion, Gartner warned that Silver Lake couldI "exercise significant control over the company" if it gained such a large D block of stock. CEO Fleisher says Silver Lake's principals "are veryI engaged" but notes they only hold a 38% stake in Gartner. "They are by no H means a control shareholder," he says. The upside: With its debt erased,* Gartner now has a healthier balance sheet.  D Silver Lake officials say nothing "radical" is in their playbook forK Gartner. Echoing Fleisher's prediction of a pending rebound in IT spending, K Silver Lake partner Bingle says Gartner stands to benefit from an improving F market outlook. "Just by executing well, the company should be able to  create a lot of value," he says.  J With Gartner shares around $13, Silver Lake's stake is worth approximatelyJ $630 million on paper--more than double its investment. While that doesn'tK come close to the 10-times return Silver Lake sometimes generates, the firm J has had money in Gartner for more than three years, and sooner or later itK has to show investors the fruits of that deal. Barring a sale of Gartner to G another company, which could happen only with the approval of Gartner's H other shareholders, it's unlikely Silver Lake would attempt to unload 49I million shares in a single transaction. When the time comes, Bingle says, G Silver Lake would prefer to coordinate its exit strategy with Gartner's  board.  H The transfer of Gartner stock by Silver Lake to its investors is anotherG possibility, albeit a remote one. Meanwhile, Gartner's leadership might E consider giving customers a little more analysis on its own business.    ----------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 23:51:43 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: Gartner) Message-ID: <405E62B5.DF2CCEC5@istop.com>   D re: ownership of Gartner by firm whose shareholders are IT big guys.  L Wouldn't gartner customers be disapointed that IBM isn't a big shareholder ?L After all, they have relied on gartner to justify their decisions to go/stay with IBM for many decades now    :-) :-) :-) :-)   L Do Gartner customers actually use Gartner reports to set directions, or just0 help justify decisions they have already taken ?  L Interesting that Carly Fiorina wasn't mentioned. I guess she is just a civilJ servant and not a big player mike Mickey Dell, Larry Elison or Baby Gates.L Personally, as long as you have multiple heavy weights involved like EllisonL vs Gates/Dell and McNealy, then I don't think there is going to be much of a conflict of interest.   L Where that article failed is in mentioning whether the big IT guys have moreA or less equal shares or if one has much more control than others.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 14:20:31 -0500 # From: "Hal Kuff" <kuff@comcast.net> ( Subject: Re: HSV110 replacement question- Message-ID: <c3kpt2$5l3@library2.airnews.net>   K  Oh dear no... this is not your mother's HSG80 or HSZ70 .... as the storage D is all virtual messing with the controllers can reduce your EVA to a rack-of-disks.....    4 "John Nebel" <john.nebel@csdco.com> wrote in message" news:405C93A6.3040209@csdco.com...C > Is replacing one of an HSV pair as simple as shutting it down and ? > connecting another controller?, then powering up the new one?  > C > I haven't been able to find instructions for this anywhere.  Just , > thinking ahead, in case that is necessary. >  > John Nebel >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:40:32 -0700 ' From: John Nebel <john.nebel@csdco.com> ( Subject: Re: HSV110 replacement question( Message-ID: <405E19E0.3030404@csdco.com>   Hal,  E Clearly there has to be a way of replacing a single controller.  The  E controllers can be shut down individually and the system will run on  ? either one so they both have all the necessary data structures.   I They could have been designed so that a uninitialized controller brought  H into the pair would obtain all its data structures from the running one.  I The HSVs have the advantage over HSGs in that they talk with one another  A over a fibre connection so there is not the electrical hassle of  / plugging a cold device into a shared backplane.   ( So the question remains, how is it done?   John   Hal Kuff wrote: M >  Oh dear no... this is not your mother's HSG80 or HSZ70 .... as the storage F > is all virtual messing with the controllers can reduce your EVA to a > rack-of-disks..... >  > 6 > "John Nebel" <john.nebel@csdco.com> wrote in message$ > news:405C93A6.3040209@csdco.com... > C >>Is replacing one of an HSV pair as simple as shutting it down and > >>connecting another controller, then powering up the new one? >>C >>I haven't been able to find instructions for this anywhere.  Just , >>thinking ahead, in case that is necessary. >> >>John Nebel >> >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:42:40 -0500 ! From: Hal Kuff <kuff@comcast.net> ( Subject: Re: HSV110 replacement question< Message-ID: <kuff-6E9006.20424021032004@library.airnews.net>  ( In article <405E19E0.3030404@csdco.com>,)  John Nebel <john.nebel@csdco.com> wrote:    > Hal, > G > Clearly there has to be a way of replacing a single controller.  The  G > controllers can be shut down individually and the system will run on  A > either one so they both have all the necessary data structures.  > K > They could have been designed so that a uninitialized controller brought  J > into the pair would obtain all its data structures from the running one. > K > The HSVs have the advantage over HSGs in that they talk with one another  C > over a fibre connection so there is not the electrical hassle of  1 > plugging a cold device into a shared backplane.  > * > So the question remains, how is it done? >  > John >  > Hal Kuff wrote: O > >  Oh dear no... this is not your mother's HSG80 or HSZ70 .... as the storage H > > is all virtual messing with the controllers can reduce your EVA to a > > rack-of-disks..... > >  > > 8 > > "John Nebel" <john.nebel@csdco.com> wrote in message& > > news:405C93A6.3040209@csdco.com... > > E > >>Is replacing one of an HSV pair as simple as shutting it down and @ > >>connecting another controller, then powering up the new one? > >>E > >>I haven't been able to find instructions for this anywhere.  Just . > >>thinking ahead, in case that is necessary. > >> > >>John Nebel > >> > >  > >  >   I I agree that there is a method (somewhere) to swapping out a controller.  I I only mention that having three EVA5000 units ourselves and having been  A scared out of our wits on several occasions by the quirks in the  I software and leveling processes I would proceed slowly... in fact in our  F case before we got the current field service guy (a Britt named Tony) F they were dangerous around these things.... we would not have thought C twice about pulling a controller card on an HSZ or HSG unit, these  ( things need to be given a wide birth....   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:57:03 +0100 , From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>+ Subject: Re: IA64 version of SETI for VMS ? : Message-ID: <c3ks2j$28p8k1$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>  . "Roy Omond" <Roy@Omond.net> schreef in bericht. news:c3hpap$23c$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk... > Hans Vlems wrote:  >  >  > >>Subject says it all ...  > >>? > >>We've just received one of these IA64 thingies, and it will : > >>very probably have a fair amount of idle time.  Anyone1 > >>(Burns Fisher ?) have a SETI client for VMS ?  > >>
 > >>Roy Omond @ > >>Blue Bubble Ltd.  (11,396 units complete, almost all VMS :-) > >  > > , > > Where does one find an Alpha/VMS client? > H > ftp://alien.ssl.berkeley.edu/pub/setiathome-3.03.alpha_openvms_bck.exe >  > Roy Omond * > Blue Bubble Ltd. (11,431 units complete)  . Thanks! Found it and have 5 units complete....G It takes between 8 hrs and 8 hrs 50 minutes to complete a workunit on a  digital server 5305, VMS V7.3.   Hans   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 03:08:08 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> " Subject: Non-VMS advertising by HPM Message-ID: <sMs7c.113450$uUx1.28560@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   , This is probably old news to most of you....  J Today I was dealing with the pile of magazines that has piled up beside my' desk for month, mostly Information Week   G What caught my eye was that last fall, HP had bought 8 consecutive full   pages of advertsing as an insert   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 03:16:24 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> & Subject: Re: Non-VMS advertising by HPM Message-ID: <cUs7c.113586$uUx1.69724@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   ) sorry...accidentally hit the Enter key...    -----   , This is probably old news to most of you....  J Today I was dealing with the pile of magazines that has piled up beside my' desk for month, mostly Information Week   I What caught my eye was that last summer, HP had bought 8 consecutive full I pages of advertsing as an insert ostensibly as an 'article' entitled "The K Business Critical PC". They did this for 4 issues of the magazine in a row, ) around the end of August/early September.   K No other company advertised in this 'feature' but HP. And guess what HP was F flogging....Billyboxes - laptops, desktops, and PDA's. Of course thereG wasn't a word about servers and certainly no mention of VMS....but then . again, there never is - anywhere, at any time.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:24:24 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>& Subject: Re: Non-VMS advertising by HP) Message-ID: <405E4E43.9BA80CE0@istop.com>    John Smith wrote: I > What caught my eye was that last fall, HP had bought 8 consecutive full " > pages of advertsing as an insert  N And ? So ?  Are you going to say that you are susprised not to find any VMS in there ?   N HP apologists have repeatedly stated that VMS wouldn't be mentioned in public, visible, advertising.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:33:06 -0500  From: norm.raphael@metso.comC Subject: Q:  Modified Date-time vs. batch job termination date-time Q Message-ID: <OFFE27D3E2.34339908-ON85256E5E.007ABF82-85256E5E.007BDD80@metso.com>   + This is a multipart message in MIME format. " --=_alternative 007BDD7A85256E5E_=, Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"  - These two batch log files are one week apart. I Their Elapsed Time is close, their CPU time is close, but their modified   date-times  K minus their created date-times are longer than their elapsed times, buy 40   minutes ? or so in the earlier case, and over 24 hours in the later case.   6 Is this a normal consequence of SAN/XQP/Writeback/RMS?# What would cause such a difference?  ************ ************( File DISK$USER1:[SC]SC_CSWKLYUPD.LOG;105@   215     CS_TECHNICAL job terminated at 19-MAR-2004 22:15:07.73   216    Accounting information: G   217     Buffered I/O count:                631      Peak working set   size:       7840K   218     Direct I/O count:                 5660      Peak virtual size:    	    178800 K   219     Page faults:                      2273      Mounted volumes:        0F   220     Charged CPU time:        0 00:00:01.44      Elapsed time: 0  00:00:12.37  ******( File DISK$USER1:[SC]SC_CSWKLYUPD.LOG;104@   217     CS_TECHNICAL job terminated at 14-MAR-2004 00:37:16.74   218    Accounting information: G   219     Buffered I/O count:                631      Peak working set   size:       7776K   220     Direct I/O count:                 5739      Peak virtual size:    	    178800 K   221     Page faults:                      2271      Mounted volumes:        0F   222     Charged CPU time:        0 00:00:01.43      Elapsed time: 0  00:00:10.24  ************    DIFFERENCES /IGNORE=()/MERGED=1-(     DISK$USER1:[SC]SC_CSWKLYUPD.LOG;105-'     DISK$USER1:[SC]SC_CSWKLYUPD.LOG;104  $ DIRE/FULL    Directory DISK$USER1:[SC]   A SC_CSWKLYUPD.LOG;105                      File ID:  (38093,11,0)  , Size:           20/20         Owner:    [SC]# Created:    19-MAR-2004 22:14:55.56 ' Revised:    21-MAR-2004 01:21:20.77 (2)  Expires:    <None specified>  Backup:     <No backup recorded> Effective:  <None specified> Recording:  <None specified> Accessed:   <None specified> Attributes: <None specified> Modified:   <None specified>
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 version limit J Record format:      VFC, 2 byte header, maximum 0 bytes, longest 112 bytes/ Record attributes:  Print file carriage control  RMS attributes:     None Journaling enabled: None> File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:R Access Cntrl List:  None Client attributes:  None   Total of 2 files, 40/40 blocks. " --=_alternative 007BDD7A85256E5E_=+ Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"     N <br><font size=2><tt>These two batch log files are one week apart.</tt></font>J <br><font size=2><tt>Their Elapsed Time is close, their CPU time is close,* but their modified date-times </tt></font>I <br><font size=2><tt>minus their created date-times are longer than their * elapsed times, buy 40 minutes </tt></font>H <br><font size=2><tt>or so in the earlier case, and over 24 hours in the later case.</tt></font>  <br>W <br><font size=2><tt>Is this a normal consequence of SAN/XQP/Writeback/RMS?</tt></font> D <br><font size=2><tt>What would cause such a difference?</tt></font>- <br><font size=2><tt>************</tt></font> - <br><font size=2><tt>************</tt></font> I <br><font size=2><tt>File DISK$USER1:[SC]SC_CSWKLYUPD.LOG;105</tt></font> I <br><font size=2><tt>&nbsp; 215 &nbsp; &nbsp; CS_TECHNICAL job terminated & at 19-MAR-2004 22:15:07.73</tt></font>3 <br><font size=2><tt>&nbsp; 216 &nbsp; </tt></font> ? <br><font size=2><tt>&nbsp; Accounting information:</tt></font> H <br><font size=2><tt>&nbsp; 217 &nbsp; &nbsp; Buffered I/O count: &nbsp;L &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;631 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Peak7 working set size: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 7840</tt></font> F <br><font size=2><tt>&nbsp; 218 &nbsp; &nbsp; Direct I/O count: &nbsp;N &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 5660 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Peak< virtual size: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 178800</tt></font>H <br><font size=2><tt>&nbsp; 219 &nbsp; &nbsp; Page faults: &nbsp; &nbsp;I &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;2273 &nbsp; G &nbsp; &nbsp;Mounted volumes: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  &nbsp; &nbsp;0</tt></font>F <br><font size=2><tt>&nbsp; 220 &nbsp; &nbsp; Charged CPU time: &nbsp;J &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;0 00:00:01.44 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Elapsed time: &nbsp;' &nbsp; &nbsp; 0 00:00:12.37</tt></font> ' <br><font size=2><tt>******</tt></font> I <br><font size=2><tt>File DISK$USER1:[SC]SC_CSWKLYUPD.LOG;104</tt></font> I <br><font size=2><tt>&nbsp; 217 &nbsp; &nbsp; CS_TECHNICAL job terminated & at 14-MAR-2004 00:37:16.74</tt></font>3 <br><font size=2><tt>&nbsp; 218 &nbsp; </tt></font> ? <br><font size=2><tt>&nbsp; Accounting information:</tt></font> H <br><font size=2><tt>&nbsp; 219 &nbsp; &nbsp; Buffered I/O count: &nbsp;L &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;631 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Peak7 working set size: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 7776</tt></font> F <br><font size=2><tt>&nbsp; 220 &nbsp; &nbsp; Direct I/O count: &nbsp;N &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 5739 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Peak< virtual size: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 178800</tt></font>H <br><font size=2><tt>&nbsp; 221 &nbsp; &nbsp; Page faults: &nbsp; &nbsp;I &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;2271 &nbsp; G &nbsp; &nbsp;Mounted volumes: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  &nbsp; &nbsp;0</tt></font>F <br><font size=2><tt>&nbsp; 222 &nbsp; &nbsp; Charged CPU time: &nbsp;J &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;0 00:00:01.43 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Elapsed time: &nbsp;' &nbsp; &nbsp; 0 00:00:10.24</tt></font> - <br><font size=2><tt>************</tt></font>  <br>A <br><font size=2><tt>DIFFERENCES /IGNORE=()/MERGED=1-</tt></font> S <br><font size=2><tt>&nbsp; &nbsp; DISK$USER1:[SC]SC_CSWKLYUPD.LOG;105-</tt></font> R <br><font size=2><tt>&nbsp; &nbsp; DISK$USER1:[SC]SC_CSWKLYUPD.LOG;104</tt></font>, <br><font size=2><tt>$ DIRE/FULL</tt></font> <br>: <br><font size=2><tt>Directory DISK$USER1:[SC]</tt></font> <br>L <br><font size=2><tt>SC_CSWKLYUPD.LOG;105 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;K &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;File ID: &nbsp;(38093,11,0) &nbsp; ' &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</tt></font> J <br><font size=2><tt>Size: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 20/20 &nbsp;9 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Owner: &nbsp; &nbsp;[SC]</tt></font> N <br><font size=2><tt>Created: &nbsp; &nbsp;19-MAR-2004 22:14:55.56</tt></font>R <br><font size=2><tt>Revised: &nbsp; &nbsp;21-MAR-2004 01:21:20.77 (2)</tt></font>M <br><font size=2><tt>Expires: &nbsp; &nbsp;&lt;None specified&gt;</tt></font> Q <br><font size=2><tt>Backup: &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;No backup recorded&gt;</tt></font> H <br><font size=2><tt>Effective: &nbsp;&lt;None specified&gt;</tt></font>H <br><font size=2><tt>Recording: &nbsp;&lt;None specified&gt;</tt></font>H <br><font size=2><tt>Accessed: &nbsp; &lt;None specified&gt;</tt></font>C <br><font size=2><tt>Attributes: &lt;None specified&gt;</tt></font> H <br><font size=2><tt>Modified: &nbsp; &lt;None specified&gt;</tt></font>3 <br><font size=2><tt>Linkcount: &nbsp;1</tt></font> D <br><font size=2><tt>File organization: &nbsp;Sequential</tt></font>K <br><font size=2><tt>Shelved state: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Online </tt></font> F <br><font size=2><tt>Caching attribute: &nbsp;Writethrough</tt></font>J <br><font size=2><tt>File attributes: &nbsp; &nbsp;Allocation: 20, Extend:7 0, Global buffer count: 0, No version limit</tt></font> K <br><font size=2><tt>Record format: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;VFC, 2 byte header, . maximum 0 bytes, longest 112 bytes</tt></font>U <br><font size=2><tt>Record attributes: &nbsp;Print file carriage control</tt></font> C <br><font size=2><tt>RMS attributes: &nbsp; &nbsp; None</tt></font> 9 <br><font size=2><tt>Journaling enabled: None</tt></font> K <br><font size=2><tt>File protection: &nbsp; &nbsp;System:RWED, Owner:RWED,  Group:RE, World:R</tt></font> > <br><font size=2><tt>Access Cntrl List: &nbsp;None</tt></font>> <br><font size=2><tt>Client attributes: &nbsp;None</tt></font> <br>L <br><font size=2><tt>SC_CSWKLYUPD.LOG;104 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;K &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;File ID: &nbsp;(32961,89,0) &nbsp; ' &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</tt></font> J <br><font size=2><tt>Size: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 20/20 &nbsp;9 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Owner: &nbsp; &nbsp;[SC]</tt></font> N <br><font size=2><tt>Created: &nbsp; &nbsp;14-MAR-2004 00:37:06.64</tt></font>R <br><font size=2><tt>Revised: &nbsp; &nbsp;14-MAR-2004 01:09:05.95 (2)</tt></font>M <br><font size=2><tt>Expires: &nbsp; &nbsp;&lt;None specified&gt;</tt></font> Q <br><font size=2><tt>Backup: &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;No backup recorded&gt;</tt></font> H <br><font size=2><tt>Effective: &nbsp;&lt;None specified&gt;</tt></font>H <br><font size=2><tt>Recording: &nbsp;&lt;None specified&gt;</tt></font>H <br><font size=2><tt>Accessed: &nbsp; &lt;None specified&gt;</tt></font>C <br><font size=2><tt>Attributes: &lt;None specified&gt;</tt></font> H <br><font size=2><tt>Modified: &nbsp; &lt;None specified&gt;</tt></font>3 <br><font size=2><tt>Linkcount: &nbsp;1</tt></font> D <br><font size=2><tt>File organization: &nbsp;Sequential</tt></font>K <br><font size=2><tt>Shelved state: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Online </tt></font> F <br><font size=2><tt>Caching attribute: &nbsp;Writethrough</tt></font>J <br><font size=2><tt>File attributes: &nbsp; &nbsp;Allocation: 20, Extend:7 0, Global buffer count: 0, No version limit</tt></font> K <br><font size=2><tt>Record format: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;VFC, 2 byte header, . maximum 0 bytes, longest 112 bytes</tt></font>U <br><font size=2><tt>Record attributes: &nbsp;Print file carriage control</tt></font> C <br><font size=2><tt>RMS attributes: &nbsp; &nbsp; None</tt></font> 9 <br><font size=2><tt>Journaling enabled: None</tt></font> K <br><font size=2><tt>File protection: &nbsp; &nbsp;System:RWED, Owner:RWED,  Group:RE, World:R</tt></font> > <br><font size=2><tt>Access Cntrl List: &nbsp;None</tt></font>> <br><font size=2><tt>Client attributes: &nbsp;None</tt></font> <br>@ <br><font size=2><tt>Total of 2 files, 40/40 blocks.</tt></font>$ --=_alternative 007BDD7A85256E5E_=--   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:43:54 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ! Subject: Securing files under VMS I Message-ID: <_fm7c.130696$TxJ.68760@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   J I'd be interested in hearing about methods other than ACL's which are used* in VMS shops for securing access to files.  H There are many applications where really secure access to information isG required...military, intelligence, medical, financial, etc..... and I'm D looking for thoughts on approaches to security beyond ACL's in a VMS environment.       I came across this today: ; http://www.neoscale.com/English/Products/CryptoStor_FC.html   < Is anyone using anything like this in their VMS environment?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:38:18 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>% Subject: Re: Securing files under VMS ) Message-ID: <405DEF29.91131C9C@istop.com>    John Smith wrote:rF > looking for thoughts on approaches to security beyond ACL's in a VMS > environment.  8 Securing against reading or securing against tampering ?  K For tampering, you can use checksums stored in a different file, as well asn: storing 2 copies of the information in two separate files.  S Note that VMS used to have a encryption SIP that could encrypt files automatically.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:52:04 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>% Subject: Re: Securing files under VMSr. Message-ID: <c3kv9n$2f1m$1@biggoron.nerim.net>   John Smith wrote:n  L > I'd be interested in hearing about methods other than ACL's which are used, > in VMS shops for securing access to files. > J > There are many applications where really secure access to information isI > required...military, intelligence, medical, financial, etc..... and I'mpF > looking for thoughts on approaches to security beyond ACL's in a VMS > environment.  B (you forgot swiss banking account numbers/holders matching system)  J You have many ways to secure files on a computer, either connected or not 5 connected to a network. My list is the following one:-  I 1. file is not on a reachable computer (i.e. stored on a removable media)t   2. file is encrypted  . 3. file is in a hidden or unreachable location  / 4. file is not reachable due to RMS prot or ACLc  N 5. file data are split into many pieces stored in different locations and all E pieces have to be located then gathered to rebuild the original data.n  N The highest sensitive data I ever dealt with were Strategic Targets locations J within the French Army and salary data (don't laugh, salary data are high  sensitive data in my Country).  K Both were stored, the former encrypted on numbered tapes in safes, with no gN labels, no way to know what it was, the latter on floppy disks, encrypted too.  N The persons in charge of processing were different people to fetch the tapes, I mount them, use the programs then unload them and store them back safely.v  L I recall a war story about these "strategic data" tapes. They were 1600 bpi I types, with the tape tip cutter, remember? Each time they were used, the bO operator felt necessary to use the cutter to ease loading. After a few months, oH an operator came into the lab after a "sensitive processing" used for a J simulation operation, and found in memory some data with Eastern European O country capitals names and coordinates, etc. He came to a security officer and 8O showed him the data. The guy became green then asked the operator to leave the   computer room at once.  O The story is that the cutting of the tape removed parts of the very first data ,L on the tape, which was actually the program used to erase the memory of the  computer after processing...  	 Security!r   D.' Former DEC France Computer Security Mgra www.didiermorandi.coml   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Mar 2004 18:13:00 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)% Subject: Re: Securing files under VMSo= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0403211813.64e3238f@posting.google.com>i  t "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<_fm7c.130696$TxJ.68760@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...L > I'd be interested in hearing about methods other than ACL's which are used, > in VMS shops for securing access to files. > J > There are many applications where really secure access to information isI > required...military, intelligence, medical, financial, etc..... and I'm-F > looking for thoughts on approaches to security beyond ACL's in a VMS > environment. >  >  >  > I came across this today: = > http://www.neoscale.com/English/Products/CryptoStor_FC.htmlo > > > Is anyone using anything like this in their VMS environment?  : did you ever hear of decencrypt ... it has been out on the  market for about 9 years now ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:47:49 +0100e" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>/ Subject: Re: Someone tried to crack my Alpha...p. Message-ID: <c3ko0o$2agq$1@biggoron.nerim.net>   Didier Morandi wrote:   	 > Hi all,t > % > Finally, some life in my system :-)r@ > I found today a file in my default anonymous directory, named H > BIGDICT.ZIP size 8106 blocks. Unzipped, it gave a CRACKLIB.TXT, 29820 	 > blocks.    Here is the author's log: 4 (the TAGGED dir is empty, and I *did not* create it)  P 22-FEB-2004 14:13:37.88 User:anonymous logged in ident:anonymous@on.the.net from!   Host:pD9EE15D5.dip.t-dialin.net   P 22-FEB-2004 14:18:40.36 User:anonymous logged in ident:anonymous@on.the.net from!   Host:pD9E67A90.dip.t-dialin.neta  P 22-FEB-2004 14:18:47.94 User:anonymous ident:anonymous@on.the.net status:0001000# 1 CWD dir:DKA100:[ANONYMOUS.TAGGED]a  P 22-FEB-2004 14:18:53.56 User:anonymous ident:anonymous@on.the.net status:0001000 1 CWD dir:DKA100:[ANONYMOUS]  P 22-FEB-2004 14:19:04.76 User:anonymous ident:anonymous@on.the.net status:0000000 0 STOR file:  P 22-FEB-2004 14:19:59.05 User:anonymous ident:anonymous@on.the.net status:0000000 0 STOR file:  L 22-FEB-2004 14:20:19.86 User:anonymous ident:anonymous@on.the.net logged out  L 22-FEB-2004 14:21:41.50 User:anonymous ident:anonymous@on.the.net logged out   D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:44:38 GMTi# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>p( Subject: Re: Support of USB Memory stickI Message-ID: <qol7c.129942$TxJ.36582@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>e  D "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message' news:2o71c.47$GG1.7@news.cpqcorp.net... $ > Do you have a requirement for one? >eL > We have some code, but it isn't shipping or supported.  By letting us knowL > that there are real customer requirements, we can determine if it is worth) > qualifying the logic and supporting it.d    & http://www.usb.org/app/search/products  J It may simply come down to be that in a 'beauty contest' USB capability isG simply a checkbox requirement and without it you're out of the running.o   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:47:57 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>t( Subject: Re: Support of USB Memory stickJ Message-ID: <xrl7c.130014$TxJ.104992@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  D "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message' news:2o71c.47$GG1.7@news.cpqcorp.net...e$ > Do you have a requirement for one? >   G Most small single 'point' UPS systems already have and many 'workgroup'uL sized UPS systems are moving towards using USB for signaling and monitoring.  E Not all Alpha's live in 'glass houses' with Liebert UPS'es and diesel D generators providing clean power all the time. Nor will all Itanics.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:12:22 GMTd& From: G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com>/ Subject: Wants to run autogen evertime it bootss8 Message-ID: <7des50pf9nkmsd38io72qqjarqe5dlmfq7@4ax.com>   All:  A I am tring to get my DPW600a set up on VMS and while I worked fortA Digital for 14+ years I was NOT focused on VMS and I had a lot ofoB people around me that I could ask for help when I had a question.   D My DPW600a has had Free BSD and Windows NT on it and now it is VMS'sE turn (Damn that Bob Palmer :-)) It has been probally 10 years and VMSrB 5.1 since I last played with VMS and while I am having fun with it again I NEED some help now...r  C I have succesfully installed 7.2-2 (I did this verison on purpose Io> need it for a piece of software that I ultimetly want to load)  E I had the system working well but I just rebooted it and now eveytimehC it boots it askes to run autogen.  It is complaining that there arenC not enough GBLSectons to start DECwindows (it says that it only hasmE 250 when it needs something like 280 to start).  I also get some kindrE of OPCOM message (it srcolls off the console and I cannot capture it)h> It sayting something about "Too few servers detected from node Local:.AS09X DTSS"    E TO solve the autogen problem I have tried slect YES to run autogen ituC just asks me to run it again.  I have slected NO and telnetted into C the system and gone into modparams and set MIN_GBLSECTION = 600 andoC then run autogen (autogen genparams reboot) and it did not work.  InF have gone into sysgen and set min and default values of GBLSECTIONS toD 600 (I used 600 since that is what Params.dat says the default value% should be if DECwindows is isntalled)   E Can someone help me  with one or both of these errors?  I do not knowc1 where to look any more I have exahusted my ideas.c   THanks   Gary a frustrated old DECie     ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:38:26 -0500o- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>o3 Subject: Re: Wants to run autogen evertime it bootsd1 Message-ID: <bpCdnc6VF9sP3sPdRVn-hA@adelphia.com>h   G Henry wrote: > All: >  iE > I have succesfully installed 7.2-2 (I did this verison on purpose I @ > need it for a piece of software that I ultimetly want to load)  > Is there some reason that this software will not run on 7.3-2?  G > I had the system working well but I just rebooted it and now eveytimeeE > it boots it askes to run autogen.  It is complaining that there arehE > not enough GBLSectons to start DECwindows (it says that it only hasy1 > 250 when it needs something like 280 to start).n  I That sounds like an issue with an older version of DECWindows.  I do not a- remember seeing that since either 5.5 or 6.x.r  I In that bug, it would run autogen, but because nothing actually modified t; the MODPARAMS.DAT or other files, no changes would be made.n  D I think that the fix has been in DECWindows MOTIF for quite a while.  C For a manual fix, say no to running autogen, and manually edit the o MODPARAMS.DAT file.o   >  I also get some kindlG > of OPCOM message (it srcolls off the console and I cannot capture it)g@ > It sayting something about "Too few servers detected from node > Local:.AS09X DTSS" e  F You have installed DECNET+.  It is telling you that it can not find 3 7 DECNET+ servers on your network.  Not quite surprising.s  I See the OpenVMS FAQ from a link at http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/ for the e fixes.  G > TO solve the autogen problem I have tried slect YES to run autogen itnE > just asks me to run it again.  I have slected NO and telnetted intoiE > the system and gone into modparams and set MIN_GBLSECTION = 600 andrE > then run autogen (autogen genparams reboot) and it did not work.  IWH > have gone into sysgen and set min and default values of GBLSECTIONS toF > 600 (I used 600 since that is what Params.dat says the default value' > should be if DECwindows is isntalled)n   For Autogen use:  1 $@sys$update:autogen getdata setparams nofeedbacks  1 Then read the report in SYS$SYSTEM:AGEN$*.REPORT.   C When you have TCP/IP and DECNET+ and MOTIF and other products, 600 , glbsections may not be enough.  , $ write sys$output f$getsyi("free_gblsects")  ( gblsections is set to 1200 on my system.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlyt   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:20:18 -0400o* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>3 Subject: Re: Wants to run autogen evertime it bootss) Message-ID: <405E4D4D.5F23F701@istop.com>    G Henry wrote:@ > It sayting something about "Too few servers detected from node > Local:.AS09X DTSS"   PRODUCT REMOVE DECNET-5p PRODUCT INSTALL DECNET-4  I Unless you have a specific need for 5, and have printed manuals, it isn't M worth the effort to learn that huge beast that DECNET-5 is. DECNET 4 is a farn simpler, smaller product.l  M With the autogen issue, did you have a SETPARAMS somwhere in there ?  If not,,L then autogen will have wasted all its work and not actually gone into SYSGEN to set the parameters.  M You can go to SYS$SYSTEM and you'll find AGEN* files that contain a report on:6 what was actually done, errors found, suggestions etc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:33:41 -0400w* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>A Subject: Re: why isn't there room on this disk for the swap file?t) Message-ID: <405DEE14.99651000@istop.com>t  I Oh another thing. When you manually manage your page/swap files, you thenrB remove any reference to them in MODPARAMS.DAT and replace it with:   SWAPFILE = 0 DUMPFILE = 0 PAGEFILE = 0  H This prevents AUTOGEN from messing with your files everytime you run it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:30:39 -0400o* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>A Subject: Re: why isn't there room on this disk for the swap file?i) Message-ID: <405DED5F.3902BE8F@istop.com>n   Michael Moroney wrote:J > allocated space in a single header.  Defragment the drive (easiest is toE > do a BACKUP/IMAGE and restore the backup /IMAGE if you don't have a % > defragmenter) or use another drive.n  J Another way to do this is to create a tiny swap and page files (say, about 8000 blocks each).   Reboot with STARTUP_P1 = min.   M Purge the swap files (which will free up your original page/swap files). TheneJ use SYSGEN to manually create the ones with the size you want. Then rebootH without STARTUP_P1=MIN and purge the page/swap files again (deleting the temporary 8000 block ones).    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:27:01 +0000 (UTC)sP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)A Subject: Re: why isn't there room on this disk for the swap file? $ Message-ID: <c3l4rl$5i7$1@online.de>  8 In article <c3k6p8$7tn$1@reader13.wxs.nl>, Wilm Boerhout' <w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl> writes:    1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > L > > By the way, is there anyway to see the system parameters PAGEFILEn_NAME  > > and SWAPFILEn_NAME?e > G > These names are not system (SYSGEN, $GETSYI) parameters, but AUTOGEN aD > symbols, and may be read from MODPARAMS.DAT and used for AUTOGENs  > internal calculations.  G OK.  My problem, however, was that my values in MODPARAMS.DAT were not uE getting "picked up" and other (possibly old versions from typos etc) o> were still in use even after a couple of full runs of AUTOGEN.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:29:46 +0000 (UTC)lP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)A Subject: Re: why isn't there room on this disk for the swap file?q$ Message-ID: <c3l50p$5i7$2@online.de>  E In article <c3k93a$293bl9$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>, Paul Stureo" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:   L > > However, as shown above, I should have enough room for the file.  Or is L > > the 99999 some magic number which must be left on the disk when AUTOGEN * > > creates or extends page or swap files? > K > I 've never seen that, but SYSGEN tries to create swap and page files as rF > best try contiguous. If know that in earlier versions of VMS if the K > primary page or swap files were too fragmented the boot process couldn't iC > map to all the extents. Maybe Autogen is trying to guard against - > over-fragmentation.   . I started out with a freshly INITIALIZEd disk.  H > Have you upgraded VMS on this system? The upgrade procedure saves old G > parameters and appends key ones to your MODPARAMS.DAT. I always give d- > MODPARAMS a good clean out after upgrading.o  I I upgraded to 7.3-1 several months ago, long before the current pagefile tG problems.  I too generally (and in this case) keep MODPARAMS.DAT short m
 and sweet.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:31:05 +0000 (UTC)yP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)A Subject: Re: why isn't there room on this disk for the swap file? $ Message-ID: <c3l539$5i7$3@online.de>  H In article <c3kf40$84f$1@pcls4.std.com>, moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes:   F > The primitive boot drivers can't deal with extension headers, so theJ > drive can't be so fragmented that all fragments are too small to get theJ > allocated space in a single header.  Defragment the drive (easiest is toE > do a BACKUP/IMAGE and restore the backup /IMAGE if you don't have aa% > defragmenter) or use another drive.   E I started out with a freshly initialized drive, but maybe even one or.F two screw-ups was enough to through it out of kilter.  Since I plan to; use the drive only for secondary swap and page files, I can,( re-initialize it and give it another go.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:45:18 -0400n* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>A Subject: Re: why isn't there room on this disk for the swap file?e) Message-ID: <405E0CE5.B96B4B05@istop.com>e  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:sH > two screw-ups was enough to through it out of kilter.  Since I plan to= > use the drive only for secondary swap and page files, I can * > re-initialize it and give it another go.  N As I recall, autogen only deals with system drive page/swap files. If you haveN secondary ones on a spearate disk (which is what I have), then you need to useI the PAGEFILE = 0 in modparams otherwise autogen will think that the smallbB pagefile on your system drive is inadequate and needs to be grown.  N (And in systartup_vms, don't forget to install your large files that reside onR a drive other than the system disk, after that drive has been mounted, of course).   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 23:40:23 +00000- From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> A Subject: Re: why isn't there room on this disk for the swap file? 8 Message-ID: <gm9s5054moq7sp3nijhno0v4st1e7tra6i@4ax.com>  I On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:31:05 +0000 (UTC), helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.dec1 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:b  I >In article <c3kf40$84f$1@pcls4.std.com>, moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.como >(Michael Moroney) writes: n > G >> The primitive boot drivers can't deal with extension headers, so theeK >> drive can't be so fragmented that all fragments are too small to get theoK >> allocated space in a single header.  Defragment the drive (easiest is touF >> do a BACKUP/IMAGE and restore the backup /IMAGE if you don't have a& >> defragmenter) or use another drive. > F >I started out with a freshly initialized drive, but maybe even one orG >two screw-ups was enough to through it out of kilter.  Since I plan toi< >use the drive only for secondary swap and page files, I can) >re-initialize it and give it another go.l  L You may want to $ INIT/INDEX=BEGIN then, and get the largest contiguous areaF possible.  I never let autogen create or modify page/swap files - muchK easier to use sysgen interactively.  To be honest, I wouldn't bother with a-H swap file at all, unless you are forced to have at least one (I forget).L The days when memory was limited and/or expensive and there were performanceK gains to be had from encouraging swapping over paging were a very long timee ago.   -- e8 I came...  I saw...  I had NO idea what was going on...    Mail john rather than nospam...n   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.160 ************************