1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 23 Mar 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 162       Contents: Re: Alpha sizing for Cerner  Re: Alpha sizing for Cerner > Re: Checking Operating Temperature of Alpha; resetting the OCP0 DCLER (DCL Enhancement Request) for TYPE command4 Re: DCLER (DCL Enhancement Request) for TYPE command Re: Easiest way.. % Re: Extremely Frustrated with EMC SAN % Re: Extremely Frustrated with EMC SAN  Re: Gartner  Re: HSV110 replacement question  Re: HSV110 replacement question & Re: Pathworks Current versions/product Re: Securing files under VMS Re: Securing files under VMS Re: Securing files under VMS Re: Securing files under VMS Re: Server hang - compute bound  Re: Spam form kerry  Re: Spam form kerry  Re: Spam form kerry  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ? + Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help. $ Re: VAX clock cycles per instruction$ Re: VAX clock cycles per instruction3 Re: VMS 5.5-2 disk size limitations on VAX 4000-200 * Re: Wants to run autogen evertime it boots< RE: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CD8 Re: why isn't there room on this disk for the swap file?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:45:32 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>$ Subject: Re: Alpha sizing for Cerner6 Message-ID: <405F96BC.B4B793CA@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   John Smith wrote:  > L > Anyone have a ballpark guess as to what would be a reasonable Alpha to run7 > Cerner on for a 70 patient hospital + emergency room?   D Unless this place is planning spectacular growth, I'd steer 'em awayG from Cerner. It'll eat up their cash flow faster than corrupt corporate  governance.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 03:39:01 GMT & From: Lee Mah <lytmah@telusplanet.net>$ Subject: Re: Alpha sizing for Cerner( Message-ID: <pjO7c.409$wg1.356@edtnps84>   Can you  be more specific?4 Will you be running the Classic or Millennium suite? What modules are you running?   = With that in mind, in 1999 we 'clustered' PharmNet 306 on two < AS1200's (of a four-AS1200 VMScluster) for three medium-size= hospitals (approx. 500 beds).  The two Cerner nodes were also / sharing resources with non-Cerner applications.   Response was more than adequate.     John Smith wrote:   K >Anyone have a ballpark guess as to what would be a reasonable Alpha to run 6 >Cerner on for a 70 patient hospital + emergency room? >  >  >    >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:53:10 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>G Subject: Re: Checking Operating Temperature of Alpha; resetting the OCP 6 Message-ID: <405F9886.5B08B8FE@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Denny wrote: > q > Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> wrote in message news:<4051e005$0$440$7f8943f3@newsreader.visi.com>...  > > Hello all, > > : > > I have number of Alpha 4000s, ES40s, ES45s, and ES47s. > > ; > > Is there a way query the system's internal temperature?  > > * > > I looked and couldn't find anything... > @ > Similar question: ES45: We had PS2 fail. Now the OCP says "PS2G > Failed", and i don't know how to reset this other than to reboot (not  > an option!). > C > Any hints?  I've looked in the owner's manual but may have missed  > something.  H Dunno 'bout ES45, but on GS1280, you just pull the power cord out of it,; wait a bit, then put it back in (assumes more than one PS).    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Mar 2004 19:26:57 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)9 Subject: DCLER (DCL Enhancement Request) for TYPE command = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0403221926.68ed19c0@posting.google.com>   C Can we please have the date, and maybe size-used of a file given on @ the file-spec line for TYPE/HEADER and TYPE wild-card-file-spec?   $ TYPE/HEADER file  A disk:[blah.blah]file.dat              3   25-APR-2003 13:34:45.76    <contents of FILE.DAT>  & There's certainly enough space for it!   Thanks!    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 04:05:37 +0000 7 From: David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> = Subject: Re: DCLER (DCL Enhancement Request) for TYPE command * Message-ID: <405FB791.3040102@bigpond.com>   Alan E. Feldman espoused: E > Can we please have the date, and maybe size-used of a file given on B > the file-spec line for TYPE/HEADER and TYPE wild-card-file-spec? >  > $ TYPE/HEADER file > C > disk:[blah.blah]file.dat              3   25-APR-2003 13:34:45.76  >  > <contents of FILE.DAT> > ( > There's certainly enough space for it! > 	 > Thanks!  >   + You mean like the output of TYPE/PAGE=SAVE?    $ type/page=save *.com  K DBS0:[SCRATCH]BUILD_MBX$SDA.COM;1     18 blocks      2-FEB-2004 02:18:50.51 
 $ set noon( $ cc mbx$sda+alpha$library:sys$lib_c/lib ..     Regards, Dave.  --  I David B Sneddon (dbs)    VMS Systems Programmer     dbsneddon@bigpond.com I Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/ I DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm I "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennon    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 23:04:56 GMT 9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>  Subject: Re: Easiest way..? Message-ID: <7697e1934c.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>   5 In message <40383539.F2B5DAB3@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> K           "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote:    > David Gray wrote:  > >  > > Greetings all, > > J > > Need to replicate an entire directory structure including  protections8 > > and ACLs to another with a slight change in the path > >  > > EG.  > >  > > From > > DISK1:[XPS...] > >  > > To > > DISK1:[XAS...] > > G > > There are a few hundred directories than need recreating in the new 
 > > XAS tree.  > >  > > I've tried > >  > > $ set default DISK1:[XAS] ) > > $ copy/log DISK1:[XPS...]*.DIR  [...]  > >   > > But am not getting the ACLs. > > . > > What would be the simplest way to do this?   Don't use COPY, use BACKUP.   3 $BACKUP DISK1:[000000]XAS.DIR DISK1:[000000]XPS.DIR <   (This used to be necessary - not sure whether it still is)/ $BACKUP DISK1:[XAS...]*.*;* DISK1:[XPS...]*.*;*   J If you just use the second command, and it creates XPS.DIR, that directoryG lacks ACLs, but the subdirectories and files have them. This may now be : fixed. The first command creates the directory, with ACLs.   >  > Hhmmm... Did you try:  > : > $ SET SECURITY/LIKE=NAME=source_filespec target_filespec > J > You may have to surround that with enough DCL to make up for the lack ofD > wildcard support in that command. F$SEARCH() and F$PARSE() will be > useful, at the very least. > J > See also the on-line HELP and the Guide to System Security for important > info.  >    --  
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:50:18 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>. Subject: Re: Extremely Frustrated with EMC SAN6 Message-ID: <405F97DA.12C3449F@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   PhilThayer wrote:  > C > I have been fighting to get this *?&%$*& EMC SAN working with the ? > AlphaServer ES40 and it's pushing me to pull my hair out.....  > F > I have gotten the ES40 to a point where I can see the disks from theC > console prompt when I do a SHOW DEVICE.  I have installed all the A > current patches on the ES40 for VMS V7.3.  I can sit on the EMC G > monitoring utility and see the transmit/receive counts increment when  > I do SYSMAN IO AUTOCONFIGURE.  > B > Everything seems to be setup correctly so, WHY DO I NOT HAVE ANY# > DRIVES GETTING CONFIGURED IN VMS?  > H > I wish this company had just bought a StorageWorks SAN instead of thisB > *&%$#?%$%$ EMC SAN.  Unfortunately the decision on this was made > before I arrived here.  D Well, in a recent conference call with hp, I was told - more or lessG officially - that EMC is not certified with/by OpenVMS and likely never D will be. EMC says they support OpenVMS, but then Dubya said... well,9 let's keep politics out of it, I think the point is made.   F That said, I am aware of at least one VMS site running on EMC (it's an
 IDX machine).   F I believe V7.3-1 with patches may be a minimum, but I'm probably wrong there.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 04:30:50 GMT & From: Lee Mah <lytmah@telusplanet.net>. Subject: Re: Extremely Frustrated with EMC SAN( Message-ID: <_3P7c.429$wg1.275@edtnps84>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------0407070408080705070507049 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   F Last year, over several months, I ran hundreds of extensive test jobs  against ? ten shadow sets comprised of EMC-EMC, EMC-HSJ, and HSJ-HSJ disk L members in a five-node cluster (four ES45's, one DS10, three separate sites)5 using HBVS.  The cluster was at VMS 7.3 plus patches. = I encountered no problems or any differences in behaviour or   functionality ofH the three different types of shadows, other than one which I'll discuss  later.D Of course, the EMC-EMC shadow sets showed better results in terms of= throughput.  DCL commands like ANALYZE/DISK, CONVERT, COPY... C worked normally.  As individual DGA disks, the EMC disks behaved no 0 differently from the Storageworks HSJ DUA disks.H The positive aspect of going to EMC is that my life would be much easierH in regards to disk maintenance and tape backups.  I would no longer have# to look after these onerous duties. F EMC provided me with two customer reference contacts.  One was runningG SRDF, not HBVS.  The second contact still hasn't replied to my list of  
 questions,2 so I don't know whether they're using HBVS or not.H So, with these two sites, plus David's count of one, plus the site whoseA VMS administrator posted a complaint two years ago and got burned ; for doing so, we have four known VMS sites using EMC disks.   F Now, the problem with EMC shadow sets.  If a node crashes, each shadowA set comprised of EMC-EMC members went into mount verification and F took over 12 hours to do full shadow merges.  The EMC-HSJ shadows tookK from 1.5 to 5 hours to full merge.  The HSJ-HSJ shadows went into minimerge E and recovered to normalcy within six seconds.  Of course, the EMC-EMC D shadow problem also applies to HP SAN disks.  HP is supposed to have? a retro-fit available for this problem some time in the future.   G Also, a note of warning if you want to do shadowing of dissimilar-size   members E under VMS 7.3-2.  There is a restriction in the mounting process.  I   wouldn'tL recommend going for dissimilar shadowing until this restriction is resolved.     David J. Dachtera wrote:   >PhilThayer wrote: >    > C >>I have been fighting to get this *?&%$*& EMC SAN working with the ? >>AlphaServer ES40 and it's pushing me to pull my hair out.....  >>F >>I have gotten the ES40 to a point where I can see the disks from theC >>console prompt when I do a SHOW DEVICE.  I have installed all the A >>current patches on the ES40 for VMS V7.3.  I can sit on the EMC G >>monitoring utility and see the transmit/receive counts increment when  >>I do SYSMAN IO AUTOCONFIGURE.  >>B >>Everything seems to be setup correctly so, WHY DO I NOT HAVE ANY# >>DRIVES GETTING CONFIGURED IN VMS?  >>H >>I wish this company had just bought a StorageWorks SAN instead of thisB >>*&%$#?%$%$ EMC SAN.  Unfortunately the decision on this was made >>before I arrived here. >>     >> > E >Well, in a recent conference call with hp, I was told - more or less H >officially - that EMC is not certified with/by OpenVMS and likely neverE >will be. EMC says they support OpenVMS, but then Dubya said... well, : >let's keep politics out of it, I think the point is made. > G >That said, I am aware of at least one VMS site running on EMC (it's an  >IDX machine). > G >I believe V7.3-1 with patches may be a minimum, but I'm probably wrong  >there.  >  >    >   & --------------040707040808070507050704) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   ? <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">  <html> <head>I   <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1">    <title></title>  </head> ' <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> E Last year, over several months, I ran hundreds of extensive test jobs  against<br> C ten shadow sets comprised of EMC-EMC, EMC-HSJ, and HSJ-HSJ disk<br> E members in a five-node cluster (four ES45's, one DS10, three separate 
 sites)<br>> using HBVS.&nbsp; The cluster was at VMS 7.3 plus patches.<br>< I encountered no problems or any differences in behaviour or functionality of<br>G the three different types of shadows, other than one which I'll discuss 
 later.<br>H Of course, the EMC-EMC shadow sets showed better results in terms of<br>F throughput.&nbsp; DCL commands like ANALYZE/DISK, CONVERT, COPY...<br>L worked normally.&nbsp; As individual DGA disks, the EMC disks behaved no<br>4 differently from the Storageworks HSJ DUA disks.<br>L The positive aspect of going to EMC is that my life would be much easier<br>Q in regards to disk maintenance and tape backups.&nbsp; I would no longer have<br> ' to look after these onerous duties.<br> O EMC provided me with two customer reference contacts.&nbsp; One was running<br> K SRDF, not HBVS.&nbsp; The second contact still hasn't replied to my list of  questions,<br>6 so I don't know whether they're using HBVS or not.<br>L So, with these two sites, plus David's count of one, plus the site whose<br>E VMS administrator posted a complaint two years ago and got burned<br> ? for doing so, we have four known VMS sites using EMC disks.<br>  <br>O Now, the problem with EMC shadow sets.&nbsp; If a node crashes, each shadow<br> E set comprised of EMC-EMC members went into mount verification and<br> O took over 12 hours to do full shadow merges.&nbsp; The EMC-HSJ shadows took<br> F from 1.5 to 5 hours to full merge.&nbsp; The HSJ-HSJ shadows went into
 minimerge<br> N and recovered to normalcy within six seconds.&nbsp; Of course, the EMC-EMC<br>M shadow problem also applies to HP SAN disks.&nbsp; HP is supposed to have<br> C a retro-fit available for this problem some time in the future.<br>  <br>F Also, a note of warning if you want to do shadowing of dissimilar-size members<br> N under VMS 7.3-2.&nbsp; There is a restriction in the mounting process.&nbsp; I wouldn't<br>B recommend going for dissimilar shadowing until this restriction is
 resolved.<br>  <br> <br> David J. Dachtera wrote:<br> <blockquote type="cite" 4  cite="mid405F97DA.12C3449F@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net">    <pre wrap="">PhilThayer wrote:   </pre>   <blockquote type="cite">Z     <pre wrap="">I have been fighting to get this *?&amp;%$*&amp; EMC SAN working with the= AlphaServer ES40 and it's pushing me to pull my hair out.....   D I have gotten the ES40 to a point where I can see the disks from theA console prompt when I do a SHOW DEVICE.  I have installed all the ? current patches on the ES40 for VMS V7.3.  I can sit on the EMC E monitoring utility and see the transmit/receive counts increment when  I do SYSMAN IO AUTOCONFIGURE.   @ Everything seems to be setup correctly so, WHY DO I NOT HAVE ANY! DRIVES GETTING CONFIGURED IN VMS?   F I wish this company had just bought a StorageWorks SAN instead of thisD *&amp;%$#?%$%$ EMC SAN.  Unfortunately the decision on this was made before I arrived here.
     </pre>   </blockquote>    <pre wrap=""><!---->D Well, in a recent conference call with hp, I was told - more or lessG officially - that EMC is not certified with/by OpenVMS and likely never D will be. EMC says they support OpenVMS, but then Dubya said... well,9 let's keep politics out of it, I think the point is made.   F That said, I am aware of at least one VMS site running on EMC (it's an
 IDX machine).   F I believe V7.3-1 with patches may be a minimum, but I'm probably wrong there.     </pre>
 </blockquote>  </body>  </html>   ( --------------040707040808070507050704--   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 15:44:48 -0500 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Gartner: Message-ID: <c3nj82$29ga69$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>   John Smith wrote: : > "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:cRfL4t8J+4Vz@eisner.encompasserve.org... 5 >> In article <405E62B5.DF2CCEC5@istop.com>, JF Mezei % > <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:  >>< >>> Do Gartner customers actually use Gartner reports to set8 >>> directions, or just help justify decisions they have already taken ?  >>= >> Decisions already taken?  That would be poor strategy, and 
 backwards.; >> I'm sure some dysfunctional organizations work that way.  > > > I've seen major banks work that way in the past. They'd shop the ; > street for opinions from the consulting arms of the major  auditing9 > firms and other industry consultants until they got the  opinion they; > wanted in writing, and toss the remaining opinions in the  trash.  1 Not just banks do that, I've seen it a few times.    --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:28:39 GMT < From: "John E. Malmberg" <Malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp>( Subject: Re: HSV110 replacement question1 Message-ID: <H7H7c.1377$ur.1268@news.cpqcorp.net>    David Harrold wrote:N > On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 11:55:34 -0700, John Nebel <john.nebel@csdco.com> wrote: > 
 > Hi John, >   D >>Is replacing one of an HSV pair as simple as shutting it down and ? >>connecting another controller?, then powering up the new one?  >>D >>I haven't been able to find instructions for this anywhere.  Just , >>thinking ahead, in case that is necessary. >> > N > I've actually had to do this.  Yes it is possible.  It can even be done withJ > I/O still happening on the EVA.  The caution I received was to have your# > environment as quiet as possible.   - I am more familiar with the MSA than the EVA.   4 The MSA1000 stores it's configuration in two places.  I It is stored in the battery backed up RAM on the controller, and most of  0 it is also on every disk volume connected to it.  ? If you replace a failed controller on the MSA1000, it gets the  * configuration from the working controller.  H If you power off an MSA1000 and replace both controllers, they will get G most of their configuration from the disks.  They may need to have the  B ID numbers for disks and the controllers reset.  The volume state  information will be preserved.  F This is because the MSA1000 supports disk migration when the power is I off.  When the controller finds disks that it did not know about before,  F it will add any logical volumes on them to it's configuration, but it 3 can not trust the unit ID that is assigned to them.     G For the EVA, the configuration is also stored on the disks, and if you  F replace a single controller, it should use the configuration from the , existing controller / disks connected to it.  F I do not now the situation for replacing both controllers, where they ; have no choice but to get the configuration from the disks.   G I would recommend before taking any action to look it up in the manual.   H They manuals for the EVA systems are online in PDF format at links from  http://www.hp.com/go/storage/    -John ! malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp  Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 14:01:33 -0700 ' From: John Nebel <john.nebel@csdco.com> ( Subject: Re: HSV110 replacement question& Message-ID: <405F542D.30100@csdco.com>   John,   C None of the EVA manuals appears to address the issue of controller  E replacement. I did look through all of them several times, but still  G could have missed it, however, the MSA manuals do describe the process.   D I can understand why the swap information would not be there as end > users might not be expected to have spare controllers on hand.  - Do you have a specific reference for the EVA?    John   John E. Malmberg wrote:  > David Harrold wrote: > I >> On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 11:55:34 -0700, John Nebel <john.nebel@csdco.com>  	 >> wrote:  >> >> Hi John,  >>   >>F >>> Is replacing one of an HSV pair as simple as shutting it down and A >>> connecting another controller?, then powering up the new one?  >>> F >>> I haven't been able to find instructions for this anywhere.  Just . >>> thinking ahead, in case that is necessary. >>>  >>F >> I've actually had to do this.  Yes it is possible.  It can even be  >> done withK >> I/O still happening on the EVA.  The caution I received was to have your $ >> environment as quiet as possible. >  > / > I am more familiar with the MSA than the EVA.  > 6 > The MSA1000 stores it's configuration in two places. > K > It is stored in the battery backed up RAM on the controller, and most of  2 > it is also on every disk volume connected to it. > A > If you replace a failed controller on the MSA1000, it gets the  , > configuration from the working controller. > J > If you power off an MSA1000 and replace both controllers, they will get I > most of their configuration from the disks.  They may need to have the  D > ID numbers for disks and the controllers reset.  The volume state   > information will be preserved. > H > This is because the MSA1000 supports disk migration when the power is K > off.  When the controller finds disks that it did not know about before,  H > it will add any logical volumes on them to it's configuration, but it 5 > can not trust the unit ID that is assigned to them.  >  > I > For the EVA, the configuration is also stored on the disks, and if you  H > replace a single controller, it should use the configuration from the . > existing controller / disks connected to it. > H > I do not now the situation for replacing both controllers, where they = > have no choice but to get the configuration from the disks.  > I > I would recommend before taking any action to look it up in the manual.  > J > They manuals for the EVA systems are online in PDF format at links from  > http://www.hp.com/go/storage/  >  > -John # > malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp  > Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 20:58:45 -0500 5 From: "Brad McCusker" <brad.mccuskerNosp@Mcompaq.com> / Subject: Re: Pathworks Current versions/product 0 Message-ID: <105v6epkhn41bfc@corp.supernews.com>  2 "Earl Lakia" <elakia@hotmail.com> wrote in message+ news:UvedndHAfOFsY8fd4p2dnA@netnitco.net... B > After going to the SPD, etc.  Do I need to have software running; > on an OpenVMS system?  I currently connect to a PDP and a ? > OpenVMS VAX, but I only really need to talk to the PDP.  Will > > the Pathworks Client work without a VMS host?  All I want is( > the DLL for the DECNET protocol stack. > F All you need is the PATHWORKS 32 product to give you DECnet on the PC.7 DECnet on the server will come from the DECnet product.    Regards,  
 Brad McCusker  OpenVMS Engineering 
 Nashua NH USA    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:38:15 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> % Subject: Re: Securing files under VMS F Message-ID: <HgH7c.12103$5ze.874@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:wB8jYSrWMNZE@eisner.encompasserve.org... I > In article <oBC7c.514$uz5.507@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, % "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  > >  > > K > > Unfortunately I didn't make my first post clear enough. What I'm really L > > looking at are mandatory access controls and audit trails on file access and  > > modifications. > 9 >    "mandatory access controls" sounds like SEVMS to me.     G http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_7813.html  tells me that the SEVMS  manuals are not on-line.  F Can anyone here offer a brief synopsis of the differences between what3 regular VMS offers and SEVMS offers in this regard.   F Perhaps if I define my UIC's/groups well enough I wouldn't need SEVMS.  L I also see that clustering regular VMS and SEVMS systems is not recommended,L and that monitoring tools unless they are specifically SEVMS 'aware' are not/ able to function except in 'unclassified' mode.    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Mar 2004 15:46:10 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)% Subject: Re: Securing files under VMS = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0403221546.3a1499e2@posting.google.com>   q "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<HgH7c.12103$5ze.874@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>... J > "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:wB8jYSrWMNZE@eisner.encompasserve.org... K > > In article <oBC7c.514$uz5.507@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, ( >  "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > > >  > > > M > > > Unfortunately I didn't make my first post clear enough. What I'm really N > > > looking at are mandatory access controls and audit trails on file access >  and > > > modifications. > > ; > >    "mandatory access controls" sounds like SEVMS to me.  >  > I > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_7813.html  tells me that the SEVMS  > manuals are not on-line. > H > Can anyone here offer a brief synopsis of the differences between what5 > regular VMS offers and SEVMS offers in this regard.  > H > Perhaps if I define my UIC's/groups well enough I wouldn't need SEVMS. > N > I also see that clustering regular VMS and SEVMS systems is not recommended,N > and that monitoring tools unless they are specifically SEVMS 'aware' are not1 > able to function except in 'unclassified' mode.   6 decencrypt has an api for encrypting from your app ...   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 01:10:36 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> % Subject: Re: Securing files under VMS H Message-ID: <g8M7c.15175$5ze.11812@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 7 news:d7791aa1.0403221546.3a1499e2@posting.google.com... 0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageB news:<HgH7c.12103$5ze.874@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...L > > "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message1 > > news:wB8jYSrWMNZE@eisner.encompasserve.org...  > > > In article< <oBC7c.514$uz5.507@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,* > >  "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > > > >  > > > > H > > > > Unfortunately I didn't make my first post clear enough. What I'm reallyI > > > > looking at are mandatory access controls and audit trails on file  access > >  and > > > > modifications. > > > = > > >    "mandatory access controls" sounds like SEVMS to me.  > >  > > K > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_7813.html  tells me that the SEVMS  > > manuals are not on-line. > > J > > Can anyone here offer a brief synopsis of the differences between what7 > > regular VMS offers and SEVMS offers in this regard.  > > J > > Perhaps if I define my UIC's/groups well enough I wouldn't need SEVMS. > > C > > I also see that clustering regular VMS and SEVMS systems is not  recommended,L > > and that monitoring tools unless they are specifically SEVMS 'aware' are not 3 > > able to function except in 'unclassified' mode.  > 8 > decencrypt has an api for encrypting from your app ...  ) Thanks Bob....do you have a url for this?    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 01:18:17 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> % Subject: Re: Securing files under VMS E Message-ID: <tfM7c.15264$5ze.96@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 7 news:d7791aa1.0403221546.3a1499e2@posting.google.com... 0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageB news:<HgH7c.12103$5ze.874@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...L > > "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message1 > > news:wB8jYSrWMNZE@eisner.encompasserve.org...  > > > In article< <oBC7c.514$uz5.507@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,* > >  "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > > > >  > > > > H > > > > Unfortunately I didn't make my first post clear enough. What I'm reallyI > > > > looking at are mandatory access controls and audit trails on file  access > >  and > > > > modifications. > > > = > > >    "mandatory access controls" sounds like SEVMS to me.  > >  > > K > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_7813.html  tells me that the SEVMS  > > manuals are not on-line. > > J > > Can anyone here offer a brief synopsis of the differences between what7 > > regular VMS offers and SEVMS offers in this regard.  > > J > > Perhaps if I define my UIC's/groups well enough I wouldn't need SEVMS. > > C > > I also see that clustering regular VMS and SEVMS systems is not  recommended,L > > and that monitoring tools unless they are specifically SEVMS 'aware' are not 3 > > able to function except in 'unclassified' mode.  > 8 > decencrypt has an api for encrypting from your app ...    # Is this what you were referring to? 2 http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP2674/SP2674PF.PDF  J It only has DES. If it were updated with 3DES, AES, Blowfish, & Twofish it might be worthwhile.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 12:08:26 +0800 @ From: Tim Sneddon <first-initiallastname@bsddotinfomedia.com.au>( Subject: Re: Server hang - compute bound( Message-ID: <405fb83d$1@post.usenet.com>  > **** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com ****   Joe Sewell wrote:  > H > Graphics update 200 is installed on one machine.  I don't know if thatD > machine has exhibited the problem or not; it's rather difficult to > reproduce. >   0 I got a problem similar to this with this patch.  E > I know some of the systems exhibiting the problem are using 4D20's; F > I'm not sure if any of them are using PowerStorm 350's.  The systemsH > themselves are usually XP1000's, I believe, although there may be some' > Alpha 500-series machines in the mix.  >   F I'm running an Alpha 21164 Evaluation Board 5/333 with dual PowerstormF 3D30's. I found that after about 2-5 days of running DECwindows would E eventually stop responding. Sometimes it would crash, others it would C just hang. One time it crashed and the DECwindows desktop image was E still on the screen. I couldn't work out what the problem was until I B suddenly got the login prompt again. During hangs I found that the mouse still worked though.  H I think the problem may have been related to allocation and deallocationD of some resource. I normally have about 50 DECterms open and I found@ that not long after I ran DECW$TERMINAL to get more I would haveF problems. Keeping the number of DECterms down made it last longer, but it still died in the end.   G I installed V3.00 of the graphics patch and the problem went away. That C was when I was running OpenVMS V7.3-1 and DECwindows V1.3. I am now E running OpenVMS V7.3-2 and DECwindows V1.3-1 and still don't have the  problem anymore.  
 Regards, Tim.     F -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=D  *** Usenet.com - The #1 Usenet Newsgroup Service on The Planet! ***+                       http://www.usenet.com E Unlimited Download - 19 Seperate Servers - 90,000 groups - Uncensored F -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 18:48:39 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Spam form kerry0 Message-ID: <00A2F39C.D8B38EF9@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ] In article <c3n2as$9m9$1@newslocal.mitre.org>, lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) writes:  >"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes in article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIEELJCPAA.tom@kednos.com> dated Mon, 22 Mar 2004 07:00:45 -0800: : >>Yes I know that this didn't come from him, but I have of8 >>late seen a lot of messages whose subject is typically5 >>Re:  something.  Anybody have experience with this? ! >>The IP actually belongs to RIPEe >02 >>------=_NextPart_000_0016----=_NextPart_000_0016) >>Content-Type: application/octet-stream;  >>        name="data.pif"u# >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 " >>Content-Disposition: attachment; >>        filename="data.pif"e >> >eK >When you get a .pif, .scr, .exe, .bat, or other type of executable file inAM >e-mail, it is generally not spam but a virus.  In this case it probably cametK >from somebody who had both your e-mail address and Kerry's in MS-Outlook. p0 >You can trace the IP and try to figure out who.  O ...but since everyone here is smart enough not to use crap from the Micro$haft eM corporation, these viruses will not propagate from our systems... right folksm at HP.COM?  ;P   --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.n --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe            s5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:29:05 -0600-( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> Subject: Re: Spam form kerry/ Message-ID: <00A2F3CC.670030EB.9@tachysoft.com>    >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms >Subject: Re: Spam form kerry:! >From: VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGD1 >Message-ID: <00A2F39C.D8B38EF9@SendSpamHere.ORG>n >Organization: TMESIS Software    P >...but since everyone here is smart enough not to use crap from the Micro$haft N >corporation, these viruses will not propagate from our systems... right folks >at HP.COM?  ;Pe >e        N I *finally* found a way to deal with the billyworld without having to maintain0 an actual billybox and all the problems thereof.  M Fortunately, for most stuff I've been able to switch over to mac OSX, which IwN find way more reliable and much easier to use.  Work stuff-related I do on theN vms systems, plus mail, and browsing and quicken and other things I used to do# on the billybox are now on the mac.9  6 There are only a couple of things that are a problem:   K 1. fucking web sites that will work only with a billy browser (and in some  J cases only on an actual billybox because IE for the mac won't work on them either).  K 2. programs that don't have a mac version.  The main one right now is PaintCL Shop Pro, which has only a billy version.  There is a photoshop for mac, butO I already know paintshop and there appears to be a hell of a learning curve foruO photoshop.  I'll switch over eventually, but for the time being I'm using painto shop fairly often.    J Here lately I haven't been bothering with 1, because I no longer allow theF billybox access to the internet for any reason, having no need for theL accumulation of spyware and other shit, which is what drove me to the mac inB the first place.  I just forget about those billycentric websites.  O For 2, yeah I have to fire up the billybox and then shut it done again when I'm<N done.  It has access to the local network for ftp, but without a route addressN it can't connect with the internet.  There aren't many billycentric programs IL really need, so the billybox is turned off most of the time and can cause no harm to anyone.     O It appears that Virtual PC for Mac will solve these problems.  It's basically atL billybox emulator that runs under mac osx.  A sandbox for a billybox, if you will.  A billysandbox?  :-)   K The dual-cpu mac G4 is so much faster than the billybox being replaced that8; hopefully the emulation overhead won't be that noticable.  p  I I've already installed paintshop and the companion Media Center, and bothJO appear to work normally on the emulation, and with adequate speed.  So it lookstK as if that part of the mission has been accomplished.  No worries about theMO internet, because when I run in this mode I turn off the simulated network cardDL completely.  If I want to transfer files into the virtual pc, it's easier toO just use the regular mac ftp to get them on the system, then a shared folder to- get them into the virtual disk.e    G As far as the billycentric browsing is concerned, it may be possible toeN actually browse from the simulated billybox in semi-secure fashion.  It has to, do with how the simulated disk is handled.    L When you start up the emulation a standard mac drive image (virtual disk) isO mounted and used for the system disk.  However, while the emulation is running,uL write operations to the disk don't actually make changes to the disk itself,M they are instead accumulated in a separate change file.  This goes on for thetM duration of the boot.  Then when you shut down, you have the option to commit/N all the changes to the disk, i.e. the changes are made permanently, or you canO *toss* them and the disk remains as it was before the boot.  Any changes to the.3 disk during this past boot never actually happened.   M Therefore any files added or modified while browsing, including spyware, dataaH miners, cookies, viruses, worms, or *whatever*, are *gone* and are neverN written to the real disk.  True, you also lose your cache, and any cookies youL might have *wanted* to keep, but hey, I consider that a small price to pay. K This is only for web sites that I can't access directly via the mac anyway.d  G Obviously if you do a *save* operation from the browser, i.e. a .jpg ordN something you want to keep, move it to the shared folder so that it is visibleI outside the emulation and therefore not tossed with the rest of the disk.:    M The only drawback to this is that Virtual PC is a product of Microshit rather:M than Apple.  I have much greater faith in the developers at the latter rather K than the "engineering" department of the former.  Haven't seen any problemsJN yet, but I've only had the product a couple of days.  I'm hoping that it won'tM at least screw up any *more* than a real billybox would have.  As long as thetO mac enviroment keeps it encapsulated well enough that it doesn't fuck things uphN outside the emulation, that would be sufficient.  As far as internal fuckups, N with the disk images and such, it should be pretty easy to back up and restore
 from the mac.   M The other thing was that I swore I would never give billy any more money, notoK even for something non-computer-related like an xbox.  But I guess one last N time to free myself of him completely from now on is worth it.  If this works,M I'll just give the billybox to my brother.  Not because I don't like him, butn( because he doesn't know any better.  :-)   WayneIO =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   sO ===============================================================================LB Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?", 	Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 04:33:57 GMT 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler> Subject: Re: Spam form kerry@ Message-ID: <13098301c1d0a038a3ab521d9f4a0d01@news.teranews.com>  0 In article <00A2F39C.D8B38EF9@SendSpamHere.ORG>,"  VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  N > In article <c3n2as$9m9$1@newslocal.mitre.org>, lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith  > A. Lewis) writes:N3 > >"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes in article CH > ><NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIEELJCPAA.tom@kednos.com> dated Mon, 22 Mar 2004  > >07:00:45 -0800:< > >>Yes I know that this didn't come from him, but I have of: > >>late seen a lot of messages whose subject is typically7 > >>Re:  something.  Anybody have experience with this?a# > >>The IP actually belongs to RIPEr > >w4 > >>------=_NextPart_000_0016----=_NextPart_000_0016+ > >>Content-Type: application/octet-stream;c > >>        name="data.pif"i% > >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 $ > >>Content-Disposition: attachment; > >>        filename="data.pif"i > >> > > M > >When you get a .pif, .scr, .exe, .bat, or other type of executable file inSO > >e-mail, it is generally not spam but a virus.  In this case it probably came M > >from somebody who had both your e-mail address and Kerry's in MS-Outlook. a2 > >You can trace the IP and try to figure out who. > F > ...but since everyone here is smart enough not to use crap from the 
 > Micro$haft dO > corporation, these viruses will not propagate from our systems... right folksl > at HP.COM?  ;P  F Where the software propagates from has nothing to do with who appears F in the return address field. Most of the viruses since sobig scan the D local hard drives to harvest addresses from files of many different A types, including .txt and .htm.  If an infected machine has your oA address in a cached web page, a bit of documentation, or yes, an oG address book of one kind or another, it will randomly use your address 0> and any others it finds in both the From and To fields of the E virus-laden messages it sends.  I've received literally thousands of tG messages in the last year purporting to be from people who I know have 7C never used a Windows machine in their lives, and most of them have mB probably received similar messages purporting to be from me.  The E messages are all *propagated* from Windows machines, but there is no wE correlation between OS choice and the appearance of one's address in v1 the From or To field of virus-generated messages.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 03:58:16 GMTn% From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com>   Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?9 Message-ID: <sBO7c.27503$4B1.20922@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>I  3 Michael Kraemer <m.kraemer@gsi.de> wrote in messages) news:c34ktt$i03$1@news.tu-darmstadt.de...p: > In article <00A2EDFF.861F1F0B@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: E > > In article <X4j5c.848$lu.478@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" ) <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes:g > > {...snip...}L > > >- If you have an inoperable brain tumor and end up at the University ofH > > >Michigan Oncolology department for Stereotactic Radiosurgery (tightK > > >intersecting beams of focused radiation to kill a tumor) - the plan isT done > > >on VMS 3D workstations. > > F > > I would certainly hope so!  If it was Willywarez, you might windup	 having aniK > > inoperable brain tumor treated and have the machine blue screen and ZAPi yourI > > entire brain away.  The only hope for you then is politics, a federalo judgenI > > appointment or a management position in the Micro$haft security dept.a >d6 > Sorry, but I think I have to burst your bubble here. >n? > First, such treatment plans usually are prepared on computersdB > different from the computers which control the actual treatment. >.G > Second, AFAIK there's no vendor of commercial software left who stillh> > offers VMS based solutions for imaging or treatment planningD > (last time I checked was around 1999/2000 and the situation surely& > hasn't improved for VMS since then).  F You might have a M$ front end, but I would bet that the backend/Oracle$ system is either running VMS or AIX.  J Just because the doctor is using a wireless PDA doesn't mean that he isn't5 connecting to a VMS/AIX Oracle DB to querry his data.e  H Actual images would be stored on a M$ server.  Treatment planning on the Oracle backend.e  E > So the original poster's observation is either a homegrown solutionh9 > (which I highly doubt since they'll need FDA clearance)S) > or a legacy system with no future left.m@ > All new offers of commercial TPSs are on UNIX/Windows/Linux orC > combinations thereof. This follows the general trend in technicalh > computing since the 90's.a >s> > Third, to make things worse, treatment controlling computersH > often are indeed Windoze based, at least as far as visualization goes.B > You can just hope that the frontend controls doing the real work > run on some realtime OS. >t > The windoze trendd8 > is largely due to pressure from customers (physicians)= > who seem to only accept what they know from home (windoze).W   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 20:08:18 -0600c@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>4 Subject: Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help.6 Message-ID: <405F9C12.B4E925B3@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Harry wrote: >  > Dear readers,d > ( > We have the following problem at work: > F > We have some txt files we want to transfer to a OpenVMS system. ThisG > is done before, but no ones knows how it is done (people) who did it,- > don't work here anymore) > > > The problem is that the files are in someway translated when > transfered to the vms system.  > 8 > We use a win2000 system as client for the FTP transfer > The Server is an OpenVMS 6.2 > - > The original file looks like the following:< > y > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------begin------------------j > A > Geprint om 14:28 op 02-03-04                      EASYLABEL 32,H > GEOSTICK BV UITHOORN > Pag. 1 > ; >                                                    Format>! > testIP-Australi Specifications  > ( > FORMAT TESTIP-AUSTRALI SPECIFICATIONS+ >  Printertype            : 6 - Zebra 140Xi  >  Gedefinieerde velden   : 67( >  Omschrijving           : NIEUWE LAOUT% >  SchermRichting         : 1-Normaalu$ >  Printhoogte            : 150.0 mm$ >  Printbreedte           : 128.0 mm >  Etikettussenruimte     : Ja > 6 > ---end----------just a part from the total file----- > < > when we transfer the file to the vms it still is the same. > H > The files that are transfered before,(and this is how we actually want! > them to be) are look like this:> >  > -------begin-------- > E > ^XA^IDR:*.*^XZ^XA^MMT^LH8,006^XZ~DGEG1,11760,24,zFzFzFzFzFzFzFzFzFwsB > XFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLB > FE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFB > E0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgLFE0X07FgPFF00007JFFEJ07FgPFF0D > 0007JFFEJ07FgPFF00007JFFEJ07FgPFF00007JFFEJ07FgPFF00007JFFEJ07FgPFD > F00007JFFEJ07FgPFF00007JFFEJ07FgPFF00007JFFEJ07FgPFF00003JFFEJ07FgE > PFF00003JFFEJ07FgPFF00003JFFEJ07FgPFF00003JFFEJ07FgPFF00001JFFCJ07F F > gPFF00001JFFCJ07FgPFF0J0JFF8J07FgPFF0J0JFF0J07FgPFF0J03FFFE0J07FgPFFB > 0J00FFFC0J07FgPFF0J003FFL0gRFF8T0gRFFCR001gRFFCR001gRFFCR001gRFF@ > ER001gRFFER001gTFR003gTFR007gTF80P007gTFC0P00FgTFC0P01FgTFE0P0B > 1FgTFF0P03FgTFFCP07FgTFFCN001gXFN003gXF80L007gXFC0L01FgXFF0L07Fh > B > ------end file------a part of total file------------------------ > E > My question: What kind of transfer method or translation is used tox > get the above change ? > 8 > (BTW the two examples are not exactly the same files).  F Looks like you'll need a two step process, but more info. is needed to finalize the procedure.<  H First, FTP the file to VMS as BINARY. It should arrive as Fixed-512 (use DIRECTORY/FULL to verify).  D Then, use DUMP/BLOCK=COUNT=1 to examine the data. If print lines areB terminated with <CR><LF> pairs (0D0A), then the data format is STMF (stream). If the print lines are terminated with only a linefeed, then% the data format is STMLF (stream-LF).0  7 Use the appropriate command from the ones listed below:i    $ SET FILE/ATTR=RFM=STM filespec  " $ SET FILE/ATTR=RFM=STMLF filespec  8 Then, send the data to the printer and see what you get.   -- t David J. Dachtera0 dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Mar 2004 14:27:04 -0800 From: tollan83@yahoo.com (et)M- Subject: Re: VAX clock cycles per instructioni= Message-ID: <4bc97a76.0403221427.6685f89a@posting.google.com>S  v koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<mMPDdmV0wfyB@eisner.encompasserve.org>..._ > In article <4bc97a76.0403211939.36ace829@posting.google.com>, tollan83@yahoo.com (et) writes:C > > hey all, > > F > > i am working on trying to calculate the number of clock cycles for@ > > instructions in the IS for the VAX, and i wanted to run someJ > > information by everyone to see if i am going about this the right way.= > > the point of this project is to learn, so here it goes...s > >  > A >    Clock cycles per instruction is a complex question on a VAX.IF >    Clock cylcles will vary for a given instruction depending on suchI >    things as cache hits.  You have to answer questions like whether theeE >    overhead in resolving faults like page faults should be counted.q > I >    Clock cycles will also vary due to implementation.  Some VAXen don't-G >    implement all the instructions in hardware, there's quite a bit of J >    overhead to "execute" those which aren't.  Some VAXen will impelementI >    instructions differently on the same model depending on options likewH >    floating point accelerators (which do a lot more than just floating >    point). > H >    Some VAX instructions are so complex that the clock cycles could beC >    data dependent.  Some of the more complex instructions are nots? >    atomic, they can be insterrupted mid-instruction (look forsH >    instructions like MOVCx which store intermediate results in general >    purpose registers.) > D >    Some instructions interlock, which means they could vary on SMPJ >    VAXen depending on whether another CPU is holding the inter-processor
 >    lock. > E >    And some instructions depend on instruction mix on some models. iI >    Memory write from one instruction might complete while the followingyA >    register to register instruction executes, but if the secondsG >    instruction did memory access it would have to hold off a cycle ore	 >    two.r > H >    As I think you've already seen, the number of cycles will depend on2 >    the complexity of addressing of the operands. > E >    When actually measuring the performance of an 11/780 years ago IeI >    found it easy to see the effect of many of these issues.  I was able1I >    to get variation from 0.75 to 2.1 MIPS on an 11/780 in a single test0* >    all using fairly simple instructions. > N >    And yes, there are two-byte opcodes.  There is no conceptual upper limit L >    to the number of bytes in an opcode, but not all two-byte opcodes were I >    ever used, and none larger were used by DEC.  On some systems it waseG >    fairly easy for customers to add opcodes, but I assume you're onlyt  >    interested in what DEC did. > I >    As far as the size of the instruction, IIRC they varied from 1 to 12iK >    bytes, but that's only if you don't count the displacement table for amI >    CASEL.  If you count that as an operand then the upper limit is 4GB.r   Thank you for the reponses.t  C Specifically I will concern myself with the VAX-11/780 and will notiD concern myself with the displacement table for a CASEL (not too sure what that is).  D In my above posting, is that calculation for the clock cycles valid?E (not worrying about cache hits). also, i have found a few sites abouteD this, but they speak generally. does anyone know a good resource for? information like this? or possibly where to get a manual on them< VAX-11/780 processor that would contain instruction timings?  - the resources i have been using can be found:i= http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/72final/4515/4515pro_index.htmla3 "VAX Assembly Language (2nd Edition)" by Sara Baasee     thanks again   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Mar 2004 14:28:10 -0800 From: tollan83@yahoo.com (et)i- Subject: Re: VAX clock cycles per instructione= Message-ID: <4bc97a76.0403221428.65cc8210@posting.google.com>   v koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<mMPDdmV0wfyB@eisner.encompasserve.org>..._ > In article <4bc97a76.0403211939.36ace829@posting.google.com>, tollan83@yahoo.com (et) writes:n > > hey all, > > F > > i am working on trying to calculate the number of clock cycles for@ > > instructions in the IS for the VAX, and i wanted to run someJ > > information by everyone to see if i am going about this the right way.= > > the point of this project is to learn, so here it goes...  > >  > A >    Clock cycles per instruction is a complex question on a VAX.sF >    Clock cylcles will vary for a given instruction depending on suchI >    things as cache hits.  You have to answer questions like whether thelE >    overhead in resolving faults like page faults should be counted.t > I >    Clock cycles will also vary due to implementation.  Some VAXen don'teG >    implement all the instructions in hardware, there's quite a bit of J >    overhead to "execute" those which aren't.  Some VAXen will impelementI >    instructions differently on the same model depending on options like>H >    floating point accelerators (which do a lot more than just floating >    point). > H >    Some VAX instructions are so complex that the clock cycles could beC >    data dependent.  Some of the more complex instructions are not ? >    atomic, they can be insterrupted mid-instruction (look foroH >    instructions like MOVCx which store intermediate results in general >    purpose registers.) > D >    Some instructions interlock, which means they could vary on SMPJ >    VAXen depending on whether another CPU is holding the inter-processor
 >    lock. > E >    And some instructions depend on instruction mix on some models. tI >    Memory write from one instruction might complete while the following A >    register to register instruction executes, but if the secondsG >    instruction did memory access it would have to hold off a cycle orr	 >    two.i > H >    As I think you've already seen, the number of cycles will depend on2 >    the complexity of addressing of the operands. > E >    When actually measuring the performance of an 11/780 years ago ImI >    found it easy to see the effect of many of these issues.  I was ablenI >    to get variation from 0.75 to 2.1 MIPS on an 11/780 in a single test * >    all using fairly simple instructions. > N >    And yes, there are two-byte opcodes.  There is no conceptual upper limit L >    to the number of bytes in an opcode, but not all two-byte opcodes were I >    ever used, and none larger were used by DEC.  On some systems it was G >    fairly easy for customers to add opcodes, but I assume you're onlyf  >    interested in what DEC did. > I >    As far as the size of the instruction, IIRC they varied from 1 to 12oK >    bytes, but that's only if you don't count the displacement table for arI >    CASEL.  If you count that as an operand then the upper limit is 4GB.s   Thank you for the reponses.o  C Specifically I will concern myself with the VAX-11/780 and will notfD concern myself with the displacement table for a CASEL (not too sure what that is).  D In my above posting, is that calculation for the clock cycles valid?E (not worrying about cache hits). also, i have found a few sites about4D this, but they speak generally. does anyone know a good resource for? information like this? or possibly where to get a manual on the < VAX-11/780 processor that would contain instruction timings?  - the resources i have been using can be found:f= http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/72final/4515/4515pro_index.htmln3 "VAX Assembly Language (2nd Edition)" by Sara Baase      thanks again   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 14:09:54 -0500P& From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>< Subject: Re: VMS 5.5-2 disk size limitations on VAX 4000-2008 Message-ID: <6aeu505pbkjo9a93slmd39a85maiup5mpt@4ax.com>  H On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:29:03 -0800, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote:   >  -----Original Message-----M3 >  From: Barry Treahy, Jr. [mailto:Treahy@MMaz.com]-) >  Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 8:19 AM  >  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com? >  Subject: Re: VMS 5.5-2 disk size limitations on VAX 4000-200   
     <snip>  @ >So Barry,  there is an 8GB limit?  I have an 18GB in a 4000/90.  P Yes, there is a VMS limit on the maximum block number on versions prior to V6.0.M See the OpenVMS FAQ, section 9.5 (December, 2003 version). Unfortunately, youlN will only discover this when you "randomly" overwrite blocks on your disk whenN you "wrap around" at 2**24 blocks (as happened on one of our systems before we were aware of this limitation).c  G (There is also a limit, but higher, for V6.0 and above. This change was . documented in the OpenVMS V6.0 Release Notes.)I -------------------------------------------------------------------------aI David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot comoI Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only)nI -------------------------------------------------------------------------t   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 01:16:50 GMTi& From: G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com>3 Subject: Re: Wants to run autogen evertime it bootsn8 Message-ID: <mu3v50lhv3l3a3puvs1p3idv7oiilhe0l0@4ax.com>  B On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:12:22 GMT, G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com> wrote:   Thanks to all for your help!     It was appreciated!    gary     >All:- > B >I am tring to get my DPW600a set up on VMS and while I worked forB >Digital for 14+ years I was NOT focused on VMS and I had a lot ofC >people around me that I could ask for help when I had a question. p >eE >My DPW600a has had Free BSD and Windows NT on it and now it is VMS'ssF >turn (Damn that Bob Palmer :-)) It has been probally 10 years and VMSC >5.1 since I last played with VMS and while I am having fun with it  >again I NEED some help now... >tD >I have succesfully installed 7.2-2 (I did this verison on purpose I? >need it for a piece of software that I ultimetly want to load)a > F >I had the system working well but I just rebooted it and now eveytimeD >it boots it askes to run autogen.  It is complaining that there areD >not enough GBLSectons to start DECwindows (it says that it only hasF >250 when it needs something like 280 to start).  I also get some kindF >of OPCOM message (it srcolls off the console and I cannot capture it)? >It sayting something about "Too few servers detected from node  >Local:.AS09X DTSS"  >rF >TO solve the autogen problem I have tried slect YES to run autogen itD >just asks me to run it again.  I have slected NO and telnetted intoD >the system and gone into modparams and set MIN_GBLSECTION = 600 andD >then run autogen (autogen genparams reboot) and it did not work.  IG >have gone into sysgen and set min and default values of GBLSECTIONS tojE >600 (I used 600 since that is what Params.dat says the default valuen& >should be if DECwindows is isntalled) >bF >Can someone help me  with one or both of these errors?  I do not know2 >where to look any more I have exahusted my ideas. >@ >THanksc >  >Garyn >a frustrated old DECie    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 02:23:44 +0100l5 From: "GWDVMS::MOELLER" <moeller@gwdvms.dnet.gwdg.de> E Subject: RE: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CDC. Message-ID: <E1B5ads-0001lQ-9W@mailer.gwdg.de>  6 Some years ago, when I was somewhat into the business 7 of duplicating VMS CDs, I found it useful to check out r/ a source CD with the command file shown below, o> then size the virtual disk according to the BITMAP.SYS values,= and finally copy no more from the (source) CD than would fit a to the container file. s  8 NOTE: Assuming that disks are copied w/o change, a CD's 5 BITMAP.SYS ought to reflect the size of the original. 1 Of cource, ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR on a virtual disk h" would destroy this information ...  H (BTW, this is for ODS-2. No idea what might be different with ODS-5 :-()  M Wolfgang J. Moeller, Tel. +49 551 201-1516/-1510, moeller@gwdvms.dnet.gwdg.deEM GWDG, D-37077 Goettingen, F.R.Germany     |    Disclaimer: No claim intended! M http://www.gwdg.de/~moeller/ ---- <moeller@gwdg.de> ---- <w.moeller@ieee.org>S   ----- BLOCKS.COM ----- $! p1 = disk $!+ $ if .not.f$getdvi(p1,"exists") then exit 4t $! $ disk = f$getdvi(p1,"devnam") $!& $ d_blocks = f$getdvi(disk,"maxblock")$ $ d_cyl = f$getdvi(disk,"cylinders")! $ d_trk = f$getdvi(disk,"tracks"):" $ d_sec = f$getdvi(disk,"sectors") $! $ write sys$output -D 	f$fao("sys$getdvi:!11UL blocks!_c/t/s = !SL/!SL/!SL (!UL blocks)",-/ 		d_blocks,d_cyl,d_trk,d_sec,d_cyl*d_trk*d_sec)o $!
 $ set noon $ close/nolog $BITMAP$< $ open/read/error=ioerror $BITMAP$  'disk'[000000]BITMAP.SYS! $ read/error=ioerror $BITMAP$ scbm $ close $BITMAP$ $!  $ b_blocks = f$cvui(1*32,32,scb) $ b_cyl = f$cvui(5*32,32,scb)e $ b_trk = f$cvui(4*32,32,scb)c $ b_sec = f$cvui(3*32,32,scb)e $! $ write sys$output -D 	f$fao("BITMAP.SYS:!11UL blocks!_c/t/s = !SL/!SL/!SL (!UL blocks)",-/ 		b_blocks,b_cyl,b_trk,b_sec,b_cyl*b_trk*b_sec)S $! $ exit $! $!---w	 $ioerror: " $ xstat = $status .and. %x0FFFFFFF $ close/nolog $BITMAP$ $ exit xstat ----- BLOCKS.COM -----  M Wolfgang J. Moeller, Tel. +49 551 201-1516/-1510, moeller@gwdvms.dnet.gwdg.desM GWDG, D-37077 Goettingen, F.R.Germany     |    Disclaimer: No claim intended!"M http://www.gwdg.de/~moeller/ ---- <moeller@gwdg.de> ---- <w.moeller@ieee.org>z   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:31:40 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)A Subject: Re: why isn't there room on this disk for the swap file?d$ Message-ID: <c3nlvs$kga$1@online.de>  2 In article <405EF377.E98888C3@istop.com>, JF Mezei$ <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:   P > Ok, if you have  RAM DISK, what sort of drive does it fake ? Does it appear asL > a SCSI drive on VMS ?  Or does it use a special driver ? (remember the one. > used to build standalone backups on VAX ?) ?   Good point:t  I Disk DSA233:, device type EZ32, is online, mounted, file-oriented device,4>     shareable, available to cluster, error logging is enabled.  O     Error count                    0    Operations completed                 17eO     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM]oO     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot            S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W3O     Reference count                1    Default buffer size                 512 O     Total blocks              524000    Sectors per track                   125.O     Total cylinders              262    Tracks per cylinder                  16i  O     Volume label        "SWAPPAGE_3"    Relative volume number                0 O     Cluster size                   3    Transaction count                     1 O     Free blocks                99999    Maximum files allowed             65500uO     Extend quantity                5    Mount count                           3 O     Mount status              System    Cache name           "_DSA144:XQPCACHE"oO     Extent cache size             64    Maximum blocks in extent cache     9999 O     File ID cache size            64    Blocks currently in extent cache      0.O     Quota cache size               0    Maximum buffers in FCP cache        464IO     Volume owner UIC           [1,1]    Vol Prot    S:RWCD,O:RWCD,G:RWCD,W:RWCDg  P   Volume Status:  ODS-2, subject to mount verification, file high-water marking,!       write-back caching enabled.o+   Volume is also mounted on GLADIA, DANEEL.l  H Except for "EZ" instead of "RZ", it looks fairly similar SCSI to me, but then again so do DSSI disks.  H (It's a shadow set.  I don't know what the probability of a SSD failing G is, but presumably IF it does, then the node will hang.  Or am I being   over-cautious?)a  P > Also, have you considered tweaking the cluster size on the drive ? Perhaps youP > are trying to create a file that may not exceed the total disk block size, butM > might exceed some RMS structures which are used by default for this type of=	 > drive ?=  9 The cluster size is 3, so that shouldn't cause a problem.T  H > Also, aree you using SYSGEN to create the swapfiles ? Or are you stillO > attempting to do it through AUTOGEN ? It is possible that AUTOGEN may barf at=K > your request before even feeding it to SYSGEN even though SYSGEN might be- > perfectly happy.   I'll give it a try with SYSGEN.m   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.162 ************************pamHere.ORG>  ] In article <c3n2as$9m9$1@newslocal.mitre.org>, lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) writes:  >"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes in article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIEELJCPAA.tom@kednos.com> dated Mon, 22 Mar 2004 07:00:45 -0800: : >>Yes I know that this didn't come from him, but I have of8 >>late seen a lot of messages whose subject is typically5 >>Re:  something.  Anybody have experience with this? ! 