1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 23 Mar 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 163       Contents: Re: Alpha sizing for Cerner  Re: Alpha sizing for Cerner  Re: Alpha sizing for Cerner  Re: Alpha sizing for Cerner @ Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers@ Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers> Re: Checking Operating Temperature of Alpha; resetting the OCP4 Re: DCLER (DCL Enhancement Request) for TYPE command4 Re: DCLER (DCL Enhancement Request) for TYPE command) Dcps 2.3 and the Qms Minolta Propage 9100 - Re: Dcps 2.3 and the Qms Minolta Propage 9100  Re: DECwindows: BDF vs PCF% Re: Extremely Frustrated with EMC SAN 
 F$FID_TO_NAME  Re: F$FID_TO_NAME " Re: IA64 version of SETI for VMS ? JBoss 3.2.3 on OpenVMS 7.3-1???  Multihead ATI Radeon 7500  Re: Multihead ATI Radeon 7500  Re: Multihead ATI Radeon 7500  Re: Multihead ATI Radeon 7500  Re: NFS mount on VMS Re: ODS-5 after five years Quick UCX question Re: Securing files under VMS Re: Securing files under VMS Re: Spam form kerry  Re: Spam form kerry  Re: Spam form kerry  Re: Spam form kerry  Re: Spam form kerry  Re: Spam form kerry  Re: Spam form kerry  Re: Spam form kerry  RE: Spam form kerry  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ? / Re: virtual pc for mac (was Re: Spam form kerry / Re: virtual pc for mac (was Re: Spam form kerry , virtual pc for mac (was: Re: Spam form kerry0 Re: virtual pc for mac (was: Re: Spam form kerry< Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CD  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:14:09 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> $ Subject: Re: Alpha sizing for CernerJ Message-ID: <5_U7c.15104$uz5.6572@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  3 "Lee Mah" <lytmah@telusplanet.net> wrote in message " news:pjO7c.409$wg1.356@edtnps84... > Can you  be more specific?6 > Will you be running the Classic or Millennium suite? > What modules are you running?   K Don't know at this time. We're just looking at the different choices in the < market right now. The hospital won't open for about 2 years.   > ? > With that in mind, in 1999 we 'clustered' PharmNet 306 on two > > AS1200's (of a four-AS1200 VMScluster) for three medium-size? > hospitals (approx. 500 beds).  The two Cerner nodes were also 1 > sharing resources with non-Cerner applications. " > Response was more than adequate. >  >  > John Smith wrote:  > I > >Anyone have a ballpark guess as to what would be a reasonable Alpha to  run 8 > >Cerner on for a 70 patient hospital + emergency room? > >  > >  > >  > >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:15:42 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> $ Subject: Re: Alpha sizing for CernerK Message-ID: <y%U7c.15117$uz5.11005@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   K "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message 0 news:405F96BC.B4B793CA@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net... > John Smith wrote:  > > J > > Anyone have a ballpark guess as to what would be a reasonable Alpha to run 9 > > Cerner on for a 70 patient hospital + emergency room?  > F > Unless this place is planning spectacular growth, I'd steer 'em awayI > from Cerner. It'll eat up their cash flow faster than corrupt corporate 
 > governance.   , You obviously have an opinion about this ;-)   I'll contact you off-line.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:28:54 GMT 4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)$ Subject: Re: Alpha sizing for Cerner- Message-ID: <VbV7c.71052$po.625298@attbi_s52>   q In article <y%U7c.15117$uz5.11005@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  ! L !"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message1 !news:405F96BC.B4B793CA@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net...  !> John Smith wrote: !> >K !> > Anyone have a ballpark guess as to what would be a reasonable Alpha to  !run: !> > Cerner on for a 70 patient hospital + emergency room? !>G !> Unless this place is planning spectacular growth, I'd steer 'em away J !> from Cerner. It'll eat up their cash flow faster than corrupt corporate !> governance. ! - !You obviously have an opinion about this ;-)  !  !I'll contact you off-line.  !    Hi John,  O Please contact me off-line, as well.  I may have an interesting alternative for  your consideration.    !   J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own" K bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-'  0                                          with @"   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:38:41 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> $ Subject: Re: Alpha sizing for CernerG Message-ID: <BC_7c.29794$5ze.4981@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   A "Bradford J. Hamilton" <brad@.gateway.2wire.net> wrote in message ' news:VbV7c.71052$po.625298@attbi_s52...  > In articleF <y%U7c.15117$uz5.11005@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  > ! F > !"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message 3 > !news:405F96BC.B4B793CA@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net...  > !> John Smith wrote: > !> >J > !> > Anyone have a ballpark guess as to what would be a reasonable Alpha to > !run< > !> > Cerner on for a 70 patient hospital + emergency room? > !>I > !> Unless this place is planning spectacular growth, I'd steer 'em away L > !> from Cerner. It'll eat up their cash flow faster than corrupt corporate > !> governance. > ! / > !You obviously have an opinion about this ;-)  > !  > !I'll contact you off-line.  > !  > 
 > Hi John, > A > Please contact me off-line, as well.  I may have an interesting  alternative for  > your consideration.      Thanks. Check your in-box.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:07:39 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> I Subject: Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers 2 Message-ID: <%oY7c.1434$rp1.1207@news.cpqcorp.net>  F "Andrew Harrison" <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message* news:c3ffta$369$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > 2 > > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageG > > news:t7v4c.21572$1gU1.15168@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...  > >  > >>>  > >>>You mean Sparc is dead? > >> > >>L > >>Reading between the lines, probably yes. Not this generation or the next/ > >>ones due, but most probably the ones after.  > >>K > >>Yet Sun has not said it in so many words, and not gone out of their way  toG > >>tell their customers that they are killing a proven architecture in  favor  > >  > > of > > I > >>one that has yet to prove itself (funny, do I hear an echo of the Big  Bang > >>here?).  > >> > >  > > L > > As Lou Reed says - stick a fork in it, it's done.  Of course, if I was a Sun E > > customer I'd want to know about the future of Sparc for planning.  > >  >  > UltraSPARC IV+ > UltraSPARC V	 > Niagara  > Rock > 8 > All currently under development, some in first silicon >   E Bookmark this for when Sun eventually cancels some or all of them and F announces that they will be pursuing an AMD strategy across the board.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:41:54 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> I Subject: Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers E Message-ID: <6VY7c.29229$5ze.57@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   D "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message, news:%oY7c.1434$rp1.1207@news.cpqcorp.net... > H > "Andrew Harrison" <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message, > news:c3ffta$369$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... > > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > > 4 > > > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageI > > > news:t7v4c.21572$1gU1.15168@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...  > > >  > > >>>  > > >>>You mean Sparc is dead? > > >> > > >>I > > >>Reading between the lines, probably yes. Not this generation or the  next1 > > >>ones due, but most probably the ones after.  > > >>I > > >>Yet Sun has not said it in so many words, and not gone out of their  way  > toI > > >>tell their customers that they are killing a proven architecture in  > favor  > > >  > > > of > > > K > > >>one that has yet to prove itself (funny, do I hear an echo of the Big  > Bang
 > > >>here?).  > > >> > > >  > > > L > > > As Lou Reed says - stick a fork in it, it's done.  Of course, if I was a  > Sun G > > > customer I'd want to know about the future of Sparc for planning.  > > >  > >  > > UltraSPARC IV+ > > UltraSPARC V > > Niagara  > > Rock > > : > > All currently under development, some in first silicon > >  > G > Bookmark this for when Sun eventually cancels some or all of them and H > announces that they will be pursuing an AMD strategy across the board.    I Sun may well do that, but they won't until Solaris is fully ported to the K Opteron and has no compatibility problems, the vast majority of the Solaris K layered products are ported and tested, large numbers of ISV's (say greater I than the 300 HP is talking about for VMS) have ported the majority of the I 10,000 applications available on Solaris, and Sun/Opereron boxes are well 7 received by customers as demonstrated by sales numbers.   F Contrast and compare Compaq/HP's approach. You have 5 minutes and this* question is worth 100% of your final mark.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:32:41 GMT / From: "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com> G Subject: Re: Checking Operating Temperature of Alpha; resetting the OCP 7 Message-ID: <tMY7c.64521$KB.45790@twister.nyroc.rr.com>   K "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message 0 news:405F9886.5B08B8FE@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net... > Denny wrote: > > = > > Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> wrote in message 5 news:<4051e005$0$440$7f8943f3@newsreader.visi.com>...  > > > Hello all, > > > < > > > I have number of Alpha 4000s, ES40s, ES45s, and ES47s. > > > = > > > Is there a way query the system's internal temperature?  > > > , > > > I looked and couldn't find anything... > > B > > Similar question: ES45: We had PS2 fail. Now the OCP says "PS2I > > Failed", and i don't know how to reset this other than to reboot (not  > > an option!). > > E > > Any hints?  I've looked in the owner's manual but may have missed   	 Try this:   % Go into RMC via OPA0: (<ESC><ESC>RMC)    RMC> clear alert	 RMC> quit    > > something. > J > Dunno 'bout ES45, but on GS1280, you just pull the power cord out of it,= > wait a bit, then put it back in (assumes more than one PS).  >  > --   > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:36:00 -0500 * From: "Marty O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com>= Subject: Re: DCLER (DCL Enhancement Request) for TYPE command : Message-ID: <c3pel2$2a1mh7$1@ID-118202.news.uni-berlin.de>  D "David B Sneddon - bigpond" <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> wrote in message$ news:405FB791.3040102@bigpond.com... : Alan E. Feldman espoused: G : > Can we please have the date, and maybe size-used of a file given on D : > the file-spec line for TYPE/HEADER and TYPE wild-card-file-spec? : >  : > $ TYPE/HEADER file : > E : > disk:[blah.blah]file.dat              3   25-APR-2003 13:34:45.76  : >  : > <contents of FILE.DAT> : > * : > There's certainly enough space for it! : >  : > Thanks!  : >  : - : You mean like the output of TYPE/PAGE=SAVE?  :  : $ type/page=save *.com : M : DBS0:[SCRATCH]BUILD_MBX$SDA.COM;1     18 blocks      2-FEB-2004 02:18:50.51  : $ set noon* : $ cc mbx$sda+alpha$library:sys$lib_c/lib : ..  b This is nice but it only works with the /PAGE=SAVE qualifier. If /HEADER could work independent ofd the /PAGE this would be great. As one example many time looking at problems where there are a seriesc of log files or output files and I'm trying to match items in the files with other events I have to b have a directory in one window (sometimes 2 windows to see both creation and modify dates) and thed TYPE of the files in another window. If I could TYPE/HEADER/OUT=<outfile>  <files> then I could have the information in one place.    Marty    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:26:51 +0000 - From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> = Subject: Re: DCLER (DCL Enhancement Request) for TYPE command * Message-ID: <4060492B.5080900@bigpond.com>   Marty O'Connor espoused:F > "David B Sneddon - bigpond" <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> wrote in message& > news:405FB791.3040102@bigpond.com... > : Alan E. Feldman espoused: I > : > Can we please have the date, and maybe size-used of a file given on F > : > the file-spec line for TYPE/HEADER and TYPE wild-card-file-spec? > : >  > : > $ TYPE/HEADER file > : > G > : > disk:[blah.blah]file.dat              3   25-APR-2003 13:34:45.76  > : >  > : > <contents of FILE.DAT> > : > , > : > There's certainly enough space for it! > : > 
 > : > Thanks!  > : >  > : / > : You mean like the output of TYPE/PAGE=SAVE?  > :  > : $ type/page=save *.com > : O > : DBS0:[SCRATCH]BUILD_MBX$SDA.COM;1     18 blocks      2-FEB-2004 02:18:50.51  > : $ set noon, > : $ cc mbx$sda+alpha$library:sys$lib_c/lib > : .. > d > This is nice but it only works with the /PAGE=SAVE qualifier. If /HEADER could work independent off > the /PAGE this would be great. As one example many time looking at problems where there are a seriese > of log files or output files and I'm trying to match items in the files with other events I have to d > have a directory in one window (sometimes 2 windows to see both creation and modify dates) and thef > TYPE of the files in another window. If I could TYPE/HEADER/OUT=<outfile>  <files> then I could have > the information in one place.  >  > Marty   C I guess my point was that the code is already in there somewhere... F Another possible option could be /records=n (or /lines=n) to only dumpB the the first n records (lines) of the file. (This is based on theG Teco macro TYPE.TEC -- available from the link below (although the Teco : macro does not display the file size or date information))   Regards, Dave.  --  I David B Sneddon (dbs)    VMS Systems Programmer     dbsneddon@bigpond.com I Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/ I DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm I "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennon    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2004 04:51:16 -0800) From: labadie_g@decus.fr (Labadie G?rard) 2 Subject: Dcps 2.3 and the Qms Minolta Propage 9100= Message-ID: <b94065a6.0403230451.60f8ed1c@posting.google.com>    Hello   C I have not found this printer in the Spd of Dcps 2.3, but should it  work with IP_LPD ?   regards    Gerard   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:20:38 GMT * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>6 Subject: Re: Dcps 2.3 and the Qms Minolta Propage 91005 Message-ID: <230320041006598398%paul.anderson@hp.com>   E In article <b94065a6.0403230451.60f8ed1c@posting.google.com>, Labadie " G?rard <labadie_g@decus.fr> wrote:   > Hello  > E > I have not found this printer in the Spd of Dcps 2.3, but should it  > work with IP_LPD ?  E OpenVMS Engineering has no knowledge of this printer.  The data sheet F indicates the network card does TCP/IP but does not mention LPD or Raw TCP specifically.   G OpenVMS Engineering is familiar with CrownNet technology on QMS network E cards.  In the past, these cards have supported both Raw TCP (on port  6869) and LPD.  F Try Raw TCP first, since its bidirectionality allows for better status and error reporting.   Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:04:58 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> # Subject: Re: DECwindows: BDF vs PCF / Message-ID: <umY7c.1433$Wp1.2@news.cpqcorp.net>   7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:405A1B7E.8765DA45@istop.com... J > Does anyone know why Digital decided to have .PCF fonts on Alpha-VMS and keep > BDF on VAX-VMS ? > L > Or is the move to .pcf fonts on Alpha date from a recent time when no more4 > enhancements are being made to decwindows on VAX ?  B The VAX server is Unique to VAX/VMS and was developed from the MITL X11R1-Beta sources and evolved in parallel.  At the time, the font stuff wasE fairly primitive.  The font compiler took the BDF fonts and literally L converted them into MACRO and created VAX images that could be image merged.  The VAX cannot directly use BDF.  K When we ported VMS to Alpha, I argued that we should abandon the VAX server K base and port the then current MIT reference implementation - which we did. I This allowed us to more easily move forward to new versions of the server K (and we are at the very latest).  The code for fonts had evolved greatly by D that point, and had support for a wide variety of formats - from theH industry standard PCF binary format, to the source level BDF format.  OnF Alpha, you can pretty much use any font that you find for X11 from any9 vendor (but not the "compiled" version of the VAX fonts).    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2004 07:40:51 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) . Subject: Re: Extremely Frustrated with EMC SAN3 Message-ID: <yFZd7mD$GiVV@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Q In article <_3P7c.429$wg1.275@edtnps84>, Lee Mah <lytmah@telusplanet.net> writes:      H > Now, the problem with EMC shadow sets.  If a node crashes, each shadowC > set comprised of EMC-EMC members went into mount verification and H > took over 12 hours to do full shadow merges.  The EMC-HSJ shadows tookM > from 1.5 to 5 hours to full merge.  The HSJ-HSJ shadows went into minimerge G > and recovered to normalcy within six seconds.  Of course, the EMC-EMC F > shadow problem also applies to HP SAN disks.  HP is supposed to haveA > a retro-fit available for this problem some time in the future.      	Regarding EMC-EMC full merges.   ? 	There is something bizarro lurking in the bowels of the shadow * 	code.  That isn't too technical - I know.  = 	But empirically, if you DON'T do something about the EMC-EMC @ 	merges they will drag on for a very long time (unless of course 	the DSA is busy - see below).  A 	My fix was/is to force IO to the DSA.  What I believe I am doing 6 	of course is forcing reads to both shadow members and< 	forcing the merge fence to move along.  It isn't unusual to= 	do $ MONI CLUST or MONI DISK and watch 1,2,3, 5 IO/sec going ; 	to the DSA in question prior to action.  After action, you D 	see 150-200 IO/sec (127 block io).  It then slows down again, find ? 	another large file (or touch the whole disk).  Action like so:     	   $ spawn/nowait/input=nla0:	-6 		backup dsan:[directory]largefile.ext nla0:t.bck/save  G 	With above technique I've merged pretty full (80%+) 36 Gig volumes in  8 	3 hours (or less - can't recall exact wall clock time).  I 	I believe if there is a lot of IO to the DSA (IO other than forced IO),  > 	the merge will proceed quite quickly.  My experience has been% 	off-peak - hence little IO activity.    				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:38:17 +0200 0 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com> Subject: F$FID_TO_NAME* Message-ID: <405fe96f@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  , Coming in V8.2 on all 3 architectures.......  A BLUSKY> write sys$output f$fid_to_name("$1$dkc600","(8978,11,0)")  PEPTO:[GUY]LOGIN.COM;23  BLUSKY> write sys$output4 f$fid_to_name("$1$dkc600",f$file("login.com","fid")) PEPTO:[GUY]LOGIN.COM;23  BLUSKY>   G The brackets in the file-id are optional, the following syntax works as  well....  9 BLUSKY> write sys$output f$fid("$1$dkc600","129,31206,0")  PEPTO:[GUY]ZIP.EXE;4  C Looking for "volunteers" to test this on V7.3-1 and V7.3-2. Send me 7 mail if you are interested XXDCL@HP.COM (remove the XX)   	 Guy Peleg  OpenVMS Engineering    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:12:16 +0100 , From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl> Subject: Re: F$FID_TO_NAME: Message-ID: <c3pr5m$2am2gu$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>  = "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com> schreef in bericht $ news:405fe96f@usenet01.boi.hp.com.... > Coming in V8.2 on all 3 architectures....... > C > BLUSKY> write sys$output f$fid_to_name("$1$dkc600","(8978,11,0)")  > PEPTO:[GUY]LOGIN.COM;23  > BLUSKY> write sys$output6 > f$fid_to_name("$1$dkc600",f$file("login.com","fid")) > PEPTO:[GUY]LOGIN.COM;23 	 > BLUSKY>  > I > The brackets in the file-id are optional, the following syntax works as 
 > well.... > ; > BLUSKY> write sys$output f$fid("$1$dkc600","129,31206,0")  > PEPTO:[GUY]ZIP.EXE;4 > E > Looking for "volunteers" to test this on V7.3-1 and V7.3-2. Send me 9 > mail if you are interested XXDCL@HP.COM (remove the XX)  >  > Guy Peleg  > OpenVMS Engineering  >  > - It won't work on V7.3? Or may I test that :-)    Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:31:16 +0200 0 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com>+ Subject: Re: IA64 version of SETI for VMS ? , Message-ID: <405fe7cb$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  H We have an internal version running on I64. I'm not sure when it will be available for public use. $ I'll check and will get back to you.  	 Guy Peleg  OpenVMS Engineering , "Roy Omond" <Roy@Omond.net> wrote in message. news:c3c91a$1ic$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk... > Subject says it all ...  > = > We've just received one of these IA64 thingies, and it will 8 > very probably have a fair amount of idle time.  Anyone/ > (Burns Fisher ?) have a SETI client for VMS ?  >  > Roy Omond > > Blue Bubble Ltd.  (11,396 units complete, almost all VMS :-)   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2004 05:17:37 -0800 From: klaser@gmx.de (klaser)( Subject: JBoss 3.2.3 on OpenVMS 7.3-1???= Message-ID: <c82a0e9d.0403230517.58c97424@posting.google.com>    Hello,    C I try to running JBoss 3.2.3 on OpenVMS 7.3-1 with J2SDK 1.4.2-03.  F Unfortunately some services like: AXIS/Tomcat Service etc. will be not started 2 I get allways ClassNotFoundException (see below).   F I know that OpenVMS does not like the unix style directory names like: - jboss-net.sar  - jbossweb-tomcat41.sar 2 during unzip OpenVMS create following directories  -> jboss-net_sar.DIR   -> jbossweb-tomcat41_sar.DIR.   F I can't understand the error message because such namings seem to work	 for other 6 equivalent directories like the http-invoker.sar etc.     Thanks for your reply and help.    regards  klaser.   @ 2004-03-18 12:22:39,371 INFO [org.jboss.deployment.MainDeployer]J Deployed package: file:/dqa1/entw/jboss/server/all/deploy/iiop-service.xml@ 2004-03-18 12:22:39,390 INFO [org.jboss.deployment.MainDeployer] Starting deployment of package: Z file:/dqa1/entw/jboss/server/all/deploy/jboss-net_sar/jmx-net_wsr/meta-inf/web-service.xml@ 2004-03-18 12:22:39,550 INFO [org.jboss.deployment.MainDeployer]l Deployed package: file:/dqa1/entw/jboss/server/all/deploy/jboss-net_sar/jmx-net_wsr/meta-inf/web-service.xml@ 2004-03-18 12:22:39,568 INFO [org.jboss.deployment.MainDeployer] Starting deployment of package: P file:/dqa1/entw/jboss/server/all/deploy/jboss-net_sar/meta-inf/jboss-service.xmlC 2004-03-18 12:22:39,818 WARN [org.jboss.system.ServiceConfigurator]  Failed to complete install< java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: No ClassLoaders found for:% org.jboss.net.axis.server.AxisService > at org.jboss.mx.loading.LoadMgr3.beginLoadTask(LoadMgr3.java) S at org.jboss.mx.loading.UnifiedClassLoader3.loadClassImpl(UnifiedClassLoader3.java) O at org.jboss.mx.loading.UnifiedClassLoader3.loadClass(UnifiedClassLoader3.java) 5 at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java)  H at org.jboss.mx.server.MBeanServerImpl.instantiate(MBeanServerImpl.java)H at org.jboss.mx.server.MBeanServerImpl.instantiate(MBeanServerImpl.java)H at org.jboss.mx.server.MBeanServerImpl.createMBean(MBeanServerImpl.java)@ at org.jboss.system.ServiceCreator.install(ServiceCreator.java) Q at org.jboss.system.ServiceConfigurator.internalInstall(ServiceConfigurator.java) I at org.jboss.system.ServiceConfigurator.install(ServiceConfigurator.java) F at org.jboss.system.ServiceController.install(ServiceController.java) ? at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)  M at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java) U at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java) 0 at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java) Y at org.jboss.mx.capability.ReflectedMBeanDispatcher.invoke(ReflectedMBeanDispatcher.java) D at org.jboss.mx.server.MBeanServerImpl.invoke(MBeanServerImpl.java) > at org.jboss.mx.util.MBeanProxyExt.invoke(MBeanProxyExt.java) # at $Proxy4.install(Unknown Source)  = at org.jboss.deployment.SARDeployer.create(SARDeployer.java)  ? at org.jboss.deployment.MainDeployer.create(MainDeployer.java)  ? at org.jboss.deployment.MainDeployer.deploy(MainDeployer.java)  ? at org.jboss.deployment.MainDeployer.deploy(MainDeployer.java)  ? at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)  M at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java) U at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java) 0 at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java) Y at org.jboss.mx.capability.ReflectedMBeanDispatcher.invoke(ReflectedMBeanDispatcher.java) D at org.jboss.mx.server.MBeanServerImpl.invoke(MBeanServerImpl.java) > at org.jboss.mx.util.MBeanProxyExt.invoke(MBeanProxyExt.java) " at $Proxy6.deploy(Unknown Source) V at org.jboss.deployment.scanner.URLDeploymentScanner.deploy(URLDeploymentScanner.java)T at org.jboss.deployment.scanner.URLDeploymentScanner.scan(URLDeploymentScanner.java)n at org.jboss.deployment.scanner.AbstractDeploymentScanner$ScannerThread.doScan(AbstractDeploymentScanner.java)f at org.jboss.deployment.scanner.AbstractDeploymentScanner.startService(AbstractDeploymentScanner.java)G at org.jboss.system.ServiceMBeanSupport.start(ServiceMBeanSupport.java) ? at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)  M at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java) U at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java) 0 at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java) Y at org.jboss.mx.capability.ReflectedMBeanDispatcher.invoke(ReflectedMBeanDispatcher.java) D at org.jboss.mx.server.MBeanServerImpl.invoke(MBeanServerImpl.java) Q at org.jboss.system.ServiceController$ServiceProxy.invoke(ServiceController.java) ! at $Proxy0.start(Unknown Source)  D at org.jboss.system.ServiceController.start(ServiceController.java) ? at sun.reflect.GeneratedMethodAccessor3.invoke(Unknown Source)  U at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java) 0 at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java) Y at org.jboss.mx.capability.ReflectedMBeanDispatcher.invoke(ReflectedMBeanDispatcher.java) D at org.jboss.mx.server.MBeanServerImpl.invoke(MBeanServerImpl.java) > at org.jboss.mx.util.MBeanProxyExt.invoke(MBeanProxyExt.java) ! at $Proxy4.start(Unknown Source)  < at org.jboss.deployment.SARDeployer.start(SARDeployer.java) > at org.jboss.deployment.MainDeployer.start(MainDeployer.java) ? at org.jboss.deployment.MainDeployer.deploy(MainDeployer.java)  ? at org.jboss.deployment.MainDeployer.deploy(MainDeployer.java)  ? at org.jboss.deployment.MainDeployer.deploy(MainDeployer.java)  ? at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)  M at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java) U at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java) 0 at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java) Y at org.jboss.mx.capability.ReflectedMBeanDispatcher.invoke(ReflectedMBeanDispatcher.java) D at org.jboss.mx.server.MBeanServerImpl.invoke(MBeanServerImpl.java) > at org.jboss.mx.util.MBeanProxyExt.invoke(MBeanProxyExt.java) " at $Proxy5.deploy(Unknown Source) ? at org.jboss.system.server.ServerImpl.doStart(ServerImpl.java)  = at org.jboss.system.server.ServerImpl.start(ServerImpl.java)  " at org.jboss.Main.boot(Main.java) # at org.jboss.Main$1.run(Main.java)  ) at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:534)  C 2004-03-18 12:22:40,156 WARN [org.jboss.system.ServiceConfigurator]  Failed to complete install< java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: No ClassLoaders found for:( org.jboss.net.jmx.adaptor.server.Adaptor> at org.jboss.mx.loading.LoadMgr3.beginLoadTask(LoadMgr3.java) S at org.jboss.mx.loading.UnifiedClassLoader3.loadClassImpl(UnifiedClassLoader3.java)  ........................   .........................   @ 2004-03-18 12:22:41,044 INFO [org.jboss.deployment.MainDeployer] Starting deployment of package: Z file:/dqa1/entw/jboss/server/all/deploy/jbossha-httpsession_sar/meta-inf/jboss-service.xmlC 2004-03-18 12:22:41,158 WARN [org.jboss.system.ServiceConfigurator]  Failed to complete install< java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: No ClassLoaders found for:; org.jboss.ha.httpsession.server.ClusteredHTTPSessionService > at org.jboss.mx.loading.LoadMgr3.beginLoadTask(LoadMgr3.java) S at org.jboss.mx.loading.UnifiedClassLoader3.loadClassImpl(UnifiedClassLoader3.java) O at org.jboss.mx.loading.UnifiedClassLoader3.loadClass(UnifiedClassLoader3.java) 5 at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java)     ......   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:00:01 GMT / From: "James Wilkinson" <elementyl@hotmail.com> " Subject: Multihead ATI Radeon 7500= Message-ID: <RhY7c.27633$8w6.4327@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>   L I'd like to create some multiheaded workstations using DS10s and 15s runningK OVMS V7.3-2 and Open3D V4.9B.  The documentation I have for the cards are a J bit vague on whether this should actually just work in this configuration,K or if a special update is required to accomplish this (if so, where is this I update?).  Has anyone set up multiheaded workstations with this card yet?  Thanks.    James    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:19:07 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> & Subject: Re: Multihead ATI Radeon 75001 Message-ID: <fk_7c.1465$4y1.430@news.cpqcorp.net>   C The initial kit (patch kit) was single headed only.  You can now do L multi-head.  I would suggest that you install the latest graphics update kitK (I think it's V2) for the OS version - since there were some bugs that have  been fixed.   L We still only support 1 head per card.  We'll look at the 2 head/card option? after we are finished with V8.2 qualification and porting work.     : "James Wilkinson" <elementyl@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:RhY7c.27633$8w6.4327@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com... F > I'd like to create some multiheaded workstations using DS10s and 15s running K > OVMS V7.3-2 and Open3D V4.9B.  The documentation I have for the cards are  a L > bit vague on whether this should actually just work in this configuration,H > or if a special update is required to accomplish this (if so, where is thisK > update?).  Has anyone set up multiheaded workstations with this card yet? 	 > Thanks.  >  > James  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:52:14 +0100 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> & Subject: Re: Multihead ATI Radeon 7500: Message-ID: <c3ptl7$29s0pl$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>  - On 2004-03-23 18:19, "Fred Kleinsorge" wrote:   E > The initial kit (patch kit) was single headed only.  You can now do N > multi-head.  I would suggest that you install the latest graphics update kitM > (I think it's V2) for the OS version - since there were some bugs that have 
 > been fixed.  > N > We still only support 1 head per card.  We'll look at the 2 head/card optionA > after we are finished with V8.2 qualification and porting work.   B What about DVI support? (Not thinking of dual head support, just aD digital interface to the monitor; same output to VGA and DVI ports.)   Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:09:39 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>S& Subject: Re: Multihead ATI Radeon 75001 Message-ID: <D3%7c.1474$TD1.435@news.cpqcorp.net>a  @ "Michael Unger" <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message4 news:c3ptl7$29s0pl$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de.../ > On 2004-03-23 18:19, "Fred Kleinsorge" wrote:Q >MG > > The initial kit (patch kit) was single headed only.  You can now do L > > multi-head.  I would suggest that you install the latest graphics update kit J > > (I think it's V2) for the OS version - since there were some bugs that have > > been fixed.  > >nI > > We still only support 1 head per card.  We'll look at the 2 head/card  optionC > > after we are finished with V8.2 qualification and porting work.  >cD > What about DVI support? (Not thinking of dual head support, just aF > digital interface to the monitor; same output to VGA and DVI ports.) > 	 > Michaele >   J It's already in there for the existing releases - at least for single headI (I think we have it working for multi-head as well, but haven't checked).nK Just make sure that the DVI port is connected when you power up.  CurrentlynI the VGA and DVI ports should be programmed to output the same thing.  ThefF card supports the ability to split the interfaces and run them sort-ofK independently (half the bandwidth, less offscreen resources, etc) - that wer haven't finished up yet.  J I run the Radeon connected to a Compaq 1825 via the DVI port all the time.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:23:58 +0100o* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> Subject: Re: NFS mount on VMS4: Message-ID: <c3ovnf$2abvcp$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   Brian Tillman wrote: > Raja Rao Sindhe wrote: >  > E >>   We exported files from clearcase to OpenVMS, mounted files usingu( >>NFS mount ($tcpip mount dnfs2:[ab.src]2 >>/path="/view/abc_view/ab/src"/host="<hostname>",H >>able to see files from Unix system on OpenVMS system, but problem I amG >>facing is OpenVMS adding '$' sign beyond and after Capital letters in,G >>the filenames, I tried on ODS2 disk, How to avoid '$ in the filename.0 >  > - > The dollar sign signifies case change.  See.J > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732final/6526/6526pro_048.html#index_x_963  H Aha. That probably explains why a file I grabbed by FTP recently landed  on my system prefixed by a $.a   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2004 04:18:57 -0800- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)r# Subject: Re: ODS-5 after five years-= Message-ID: <3ff5fed3.0403230418.38626af1@posting.google.com>   ~ "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler> wrote in message news:<bc23b850bdb9021a773429b09a058ed6@news.teranews.com>...  K > > > Post on comp.os.vms with a subject indicating about your patch, and aNL > > > maintainer may show up.  Hunter Goatley seems to be doing some work inM > > > that area, if not the patches themselves, assisting in the coordination  > > > of them. > F > 2.)  Info-ZIP, but there've been no releases since 1999, so I'm not # > sure what effect this would have.p > B Actually, active development on the Info-ZIP programs is currentlyD underway.  Things have been slow for quite a while, but new blood inA the group has released new beta versions recently, with a plan to B release new versions very soon.  If you have patches available forB ODS-5 support, you can send them to me and I'll forward them on to the current maintainers.   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/z goathunter@goatley.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:26:31 +0000i, From: Adrian Birkett <aaa@notreallyhere.com> Subject: Quick UCX questionw' Message-ID: <c3pl3g$obm$1@lore.csc.com>t   Hi,>  > Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.2 - ECO 27 on a AlphaServer 4X00 5/300 2MB running OpenVMS V7.1-2 n  @ I am having problems with proxy access onto the above system. A F procedure requires proxy access to this box to perform an RSH command 8 under the remote username but keeps getting the message:>     %RSH-E-FAILED, UCX$RSHD - Permission denied - host IP addr  H when the command is executed. The command procedure doesn't specify the C /PASS qualifier in the command line as it is relying on this proxy.c  E I have added a proxy for myself and get the same message. I also get:_E     INTERnet ACP RSH Reject Request - remote IP address not in proxy o cache - from Host::    on the console.-  I Obviously I'm missing something and I can't find this message documented  	 anywhere.    Can someone please assist?   Regards,   Ade-   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2004 05:38:28 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)% Subject: Re: Securing files under VMS@= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0403230538.11904b72@posting.google.com>"  p "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<tfM7c.15264$5ze.96@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 9 > news:d7791aa1.0403221546.3a1499e2@posting.google.com...r2 > > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageE >  news:<HgH7c.12103$5ze.874@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...hN > > > "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message3 > > > news:wB8jYSrWMNZE@eisner.encompasserve.org...a > > > > In article? >  <oBC7c.514$uz5.507@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,t( >  "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:	 > > > > > 	 > > > > >pJ > > > > > Unfortunately I didn't make my first post clear enough. What I'm	 >  reallyyK > > > > > looking at are mandatory access controls and audit trails on file 	 >  accessh >  and > > > > > modifications. > > > >l? > > > >    "mandatory access controls" sounds like SEVMS to me.a > > >  > > >nM > > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_7813.html  tells me that the SEVMS0 > > > manuals are not on-line. > > >eL > > > Can anyone here offer a brief synopsis of the differences between what9 > > > regular VMS offers and SEVMS offers in this regard.$ > > >7L > > > Perhaps if I define my UIC's/groups well enough I wouldn't need SEVMS. > > >mE > > > I also see that clustering regular VMS and SEVMS systems is notr >  recommended,hN > > > and that monitoring tools unless they are specifically SEVMS 'aware' are >  not5 > > > able to function except in 'unclassified' mode.a > >r: > > decencrypt has an api for encrypting from your app ... >  > % > Is this what you were referring to?n4 > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP2674/SP2674PF.PDF > L > It only has DES. If it were updated with 3DES, AES, Blowfish, & Twofish it > might be worthwhile.  ( how about PGP for VMS?  It's free ... :)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 13:57:41 +0000d From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>g% Subject: Re: Securing files under VMSs4 Message-ID: <c3pfol$gba$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>   John Smith wrote:   L > I'd be interested in hearing about methods other than ACL's which are used, > in VMS shops for securing access to files. > J > There are many applications where really secure access to information isI > required...military, intelligence, medical, financial, etc..... and I'moF > looking for thoughts on approaches to security beyond ACL's in a VMS > environment. >  >  >  > I came across this today::= > http://www.neoscale.com/English/Products/CryptoStor_FC.htmlA > > > Is anyone using anything like this in their VMS environment?  ; Suprised nobody's mentioned this before, but you might like @ to take a look at CDSA (Common Data Security Architecture) which8 is included in VMS 7.3-2, and back portable to VS 7.2-2.  ? It's open source (see http://sourceforge.net/projects/cdsa) andsB despite at first appearing to be rather daunting, might be exactly what you're looking for.  	 Roy Omond@ Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:17:39 +0100o* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> Subject: Re: Spam form kerry: Message-ID: <c3p2s4$2as7r2$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   Keith A. Lewis wrote:t > "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes in article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIEELJCPAA.tom@kednos.com> dated Mon, 22 Mar 2004 07:00:45 -0800: > : >>Yes I know that this didn't come from him, but I have of8 >>late seen a lot of messages whose subject is typically5 >>Re:  something.  Anybody have experience with this? ! >>The IP actually belongs to RIPE  >  > 2 >>------=_NextPart_000_0016----=_NextPart_000_0016) >>Content-Type: application/octet-stream;e >>       name="data.pif"# >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64h" >>Content-Disposition: attachment; >>       filename="data.pif" >> >  > L > When you get a .pif, .scr, .exe, .bat, or other type of executable file inN > e-mail, it is generally not spam but a virus.  In this case it probably cameL > from somebody who had both your e-mail address and Kerry's in MS-Outlook. 1 > You can trace the IP and try to figure out who.h >w  A I had one yesterday in my decus.ch account which read as follows:i   ------ To: Me Subject: Email report  From: staff@decus.ch  , Dear user of Decus.ch e-mail server gateway,  G Our main mailing server will be temporary unavaible for next  two days, B to continue receiving mail in these days you have to configure our free auto-forwarding service.v  - For  more information see the attached  file.    Best wishes,H The Decus.ch team  [a href="http://www.decus.ch"]http://www.decus.ch[/a]  K (I've edited the tags to avoid it being interpreted as html by newsreaders)    -----1  G It was sent in HTML. It's a VMS box and such announcements are done in :H plain text at login, individual announcements by VMSmail. Note how they : try to make it look official by the link back to the site.  I And this morning I got an email in that account from someone asking if I 8D am a spammer because they found my adress on a "spammer website". A F legitimate looking site with the same contact address in a mailto tag.  E But here's the crunch, that mail also carried an attachment with the a& name websitelist01_MY_ACCOUNT.doc.scr.  H So did the guy really send me that message, or was it a trick to get me 0 to to open the attachment? I suspect the latter.   <snip>  ! > MacOS has the cool feature thateL > even though it's "logged in" to a privileged account you have to enter the+ > password when you make sensitive changes.t >   E That is indeed cool. My soon-to-be-junked Linux system does that too.m   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:28:47 +0100r* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> Subject: Re: Spam form kerry: Message-ID: <c3p3gv$28mtf5$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   Wayne Sewell wrote:m >>X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms  >>Subject: Re: Spam form kerry" >>From: VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG2 >>Message-ID: <00A2F39C.D8B38EF9@SendSpamHere.ORG> >>Organization: TMESIS Softwareo >  >  > Q >>...but since everyone here is smart enough not to use crap from the Micro$haft CO >>corporation, these viruses will not propagate from our systems... right folks  >>at HP.COM?  ;P >> >  >  >  >  > P > I *finally* found a way to deal with the billyworld without having to maintain2 > an actual billybox and all the problems thereof. > O > Fortunately, for most stuff I've been able to switch over to mac OSX, which IdP > find way more reliable and much easier to use.  Work stuff-related I do on theP > vms systems, plus mail, and browsing and quicken and other things I used to do% > on the billybox are now on the mac.  > 8 > There are only a couple of things that are a problem:  > M > 1. fucking web sites that will work only with a billy browser (and in some PL > cases only on an actual billybox because IE for the mac won't work on them
 > either). > M > 2. programs that don't have a mac version.  The main one right now is PaintlN > Shop Pro, which has only a billy version.  There is a photoshop for mac, butQ > I already know paintshop and there appears to be a hell of a learning curve for Q > photoshop.  I'll switch over eventually, but for the time being I'm using paints > shop fairly often. >  > L > Here lately I haven't been bothering with 1, because I no longer allow theH > billybox access to the internet for any reason, having no need for theN > accumulation of spyware and other shit, which is what drove me to the mac inD > the first place.  I just forget about those billycentric websites. > Q > For 2, yeah I have to fire up the billybox and then shut it done again when I'msP > done.  It has access to the local network for ftp, but without a route addressP > it can't connect with the internet.  There aren't many billycentric programs IN > really need, so the billybox is turned off most of the time and can cause no > harm to anyone.o >   H I can file my tax return online nowadays. Dead easy they say. Ha! As if I I would! Add to that, sorry no Mac version available yet. They assure us aG the software they supply is secure, and it probably is. The problem is   what it runs on.   > Q > It appears that Virtual PC for Mac will solve these problems.  It's basically a>N > billybox emulator that runs under mac osx.  A sandbox for a billybox, if you > will.  A billysandbox?  :-)  > M > The dual-cpu mac G4 is so much faster than the billybox being replaced thatC= > hopefully the emulation overhead won't be that noticable.  0 > K > I've already installed paintshop and the companion Media Center, and both Q > appear to work normally on the emulation, and with adequate speed.  So it looks M > as if that part of the mission has been accomplished.  No worries about thenQ > internet, because when I run in this mode I turn off the simulated network cardnN > completely.  If I want to transfer files into the virtual pc, it's easier toQ > just use the regular mac ftp to get them on the system, then a shared folder to ! > get them into the virtual disk.. >  > I > As far as the billycentric browsing is concerned, it may be possible to P > actually browse from the simulated billybox in semi-secure fashion.  It has to. > do with how the simulated disk is handled.   > N > When you start up the emulation a standard mac drive image (virtual disk) isQ > mounted and used for the system disk.  However, while the emulation is running,lN > write operations to the disk don't actually make changes to the disk itself,O > they are instead accumulated in a separate change file.  This goes on for thedO > duration of the boot.  Then when you shut down, you have the option to commitdP > all the changes to the disk, i.e. the changes are made permanently, or you canQ > *toss* them and the disk remains as it was before the boot.  Any changes to the 5 > disk during this past boot never actually happened.5 > O > Therefore any files added or modified while browsing, including spyware, data J > miners, cookies, viruses, worms, or *whatever*, are *gone* and are neverP > written to the real disk.  True, you also lose your cache, and any cookies youN > might have *wanted* to keep, but hey, I consider that a small price to pay. M > This is only for web sites that I can't access directly via the mac anyway.n > I > Obviously if you do a *save* operation from the browser, i.e. a .jpg or2P > something you want to keep, move it to the shared folder so that it is visibleK > outside the emulation and therefore not tossed with the rest of the disk.l >    Thanks for that explanation.   > O > The only drawback to this is that Virtual PC is a product of Microshit rather O > than Apple.  I have much greater faith in the developers at the latter rathereM > than the "engineering" department of the former.  Haven't seen any problemsrP > yet, but I've only had the product a couple of days.  I'm hoping that it won'tO > at least screw up any *more* than a real billybox would have.  As long as thesQ > mac enviroment keeps it encapsulated well enough that it doesn't fuck things uplP > outside the emulation, that would be sufficient.  As far as internal fuckups, P > with the disk images and such, it should be pretty easy to back up and restore > from the mac.a > O > The other thing was that I swore I would never give billy any more money, notcM > even for something non-computer-related like an xbox.  But I guess one lastiP > time to free myself of him completely from now on is worth it.  If this works,O > I'll just give the billybox to my brother.  Not because I don't like him, but * > because he doesn't know any better.  :-) >   F Apart from giving Billy more money, I was stunned to see how much the H various flavours of that product cost. I also couldn't determine if any H of them would run NT. I'm certainly not going to add the cost of W2K or F XP to the price I pay. I'm passing on that one unless someone pays me $ lots of money to make it worthwhile.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:09:54 GMT.# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>g Subject: Re: Spam form kerryJ Message-ID: <6WU7c.15069$uz5.1979@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  5 "Wayne Sewell" <wayne@tachysoft.com> wrote in messager) news:00A2F3CC.670030EB.9@tachysoft.com...r >tH > The only drawback to this is that Virtual PC is a product of Microshit ratherH > than Apple.  I have much greater faith in the developers at the latter ratherD > than the "engineering" department of the former.  Haven't seen any problemsJ > yet, but I've only had the product a couple of days.  I'm hoping that it won'tAK > at least screw up any *more* than a real billybox would have.  As long as6 therG > mac enviroment keeps it encapsulated well enough that it doesn't fucka	 things upCF > outside the emulation, that would be sufficient.  As far as internal fuckups,H > with the disk images and such, it should be pretty easy to back up and restoreo > from the mac.d >s  I Virtual PC is owned by Microsoft but was in fact developed by a different C company which Microsoft bought not very long ago. I don't think themD Microserfs have had enough opportunity to do their black magic on itB yet....perhaps by next release they'll have managed to introduce a# collection of show-stopping issues.h   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:43:26 GMTd" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Spam form kerry0 Message-ID: <00A2F42A.9C52AD77@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Z In article <00A2F3CC.670030EB.9@tachysoft.com>, Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> writes: >>X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsr >>Subject: Re: Spam form kerry" >>From: VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG2 >>Message-ID: <00A2F39C.D8B38EF9@SendSpamHere.ORG> >>Organization: TMESIS Software  >  > Q >>...but since everyone here is smart enough not to use crap from the Micro$haft eO >>corporation, these viruses will not propagate from our systems... right folks  >>at HP.COM?  ;P >> >U >o >O >DO >I *finally* found a way to deal with the billyworld without having to maintainf1 >an actual billybox and all the problems thereof.) >IN >Fortunately, for most stuff I've been able to switch over to mac OSX, which IO >find way more reliable and much easier to use.  Work stuff-related I do on therO >vms systems, plus mail, and browsing and quicken and other things I used to do)$ >on the billybox are now on the mac.  M I took to OS X like a fish to water.  Still trying to sort out navigating the  Weendoze 2000/XP screens.e      7 >There are only a couple of things that are a problem:   > L >1. fucking web sites that will work only with a billy browser (and in some K >cases only on an actual billybox because IE for the mac won't work on themy	 >either).v  K My latest passion (an internet radio station) seems to work better with theoK Netscape browser than with the Internet Exploiter for those using PeeCees! tK There are a few good sites that haven't fallen prey to the Micro$haft "make  M$ the way" philosophy.o    K >Here lately I haven't been bothering with 1, because I no longer allow the G >billybox access to the internet for any reason, having no need for the M >accumulation of spyware and other shit, which is what drove me to the mac in:C >the first place.  I just forget about those billycentric websites.   K I'm still not sure what this "spyware" thing is all about but I've heard ofuJ more machines being infected with it in the past few weeks.  ...and if oneK more PeeCee moron ask me if I will look at their PeeCee to help them remove  I will go postal!T    L >The dual-cpu mac G4 is so much faster than the billybox being replaced that< >hopefully the emulation overhead won't be that noticable.    8 ...and the dual G5 can blow the doors off of your G4. :)      N >The only drawback to this is that Virtual PC is a product of Microshit ratherN >than Apple.  I have much greater faith in the developers at the latter rather  M I used that unkind words when I contacted Apple-Care to help me remove the M$ N trial warez installed on my PowerBook G4.  Besides, AppleWorks and Keynote canM do SOOO much more (and do it better too) than M$ Weird and PowerPuke.  The M$:5 product for the Apple is also priced at 3x the Apple.t    N >The other thing was that I swore I would never give billy any more money, not  L I have never given billy one cent!  Nada.  I never have and never ever will! Shame on you Wayne! ;)   --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.j -- RK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMo             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:55:57 -0600 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> Subject: Re: Spam form kerry/ Message-ID: <00A2F434.BCE77D17.3@tachysoft.com>o  $ >From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms >Subject: Re: Spam form kerryl
 >Lines: 30     > 6 >"Wayne Sewell" <wayne@tachysoft.com> wrote in message* >news:00A2F3CC.670030EB.9@tachysoft.com... >>I >> The only drawback to this is that Virtual PC is a product of Microshit- >rather-I >> than Apple.  I have much greater faith in the developers at the latterk >ratheruE >> than the "engineering" department of the former.  Haven't seen any7	 >problemsoK >> yet, but I've only had the product a couple of days.  I'm hoping that it- >won'tL >> at least screw up any *more* than a real billybox would have.  As long as >theH >> mac enviroment keeps it encapsulated well enough that it doesn't fuck
 >things upG >> outside the emulation, that would be sufficient.  As far as internal 	 >fuckups,tI >> with the disk images and such, it should be pretty easy to back up andn >restore >> from the mac. >> >sJ >Virtual PC is owned by Microsoft but was in fact developed by a differentD >company which Microsoft bought not very long ago. I don't think theE >Microserfs have had enough opportunity to do their black magic on it0C >yet....perhaps by next release they'll have managed to introduce ap$ >collection of show-stopping issues.    L That clears up the mystery.  I was wondering how it could work so well.  :-)   Wayne]O ===============================================================================-N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   eO ===============================================================================0B Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?", 	Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:51:59 GMT-# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>m Subject: Re: Spam form kerryG Message-ID: <jaY7c.29206$5ze.3125@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>o  , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A2F42A.9C52AD77@SendSpamHere.ORG...> > In article <00A2F3CC.670030EB.9@tachysoft.com>, Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> writes:d > >>X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsd  > >>Subject: Re: Spam form kerry$ > >>From: VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG4 > >>Message-ID: <00A2F39C.D8B38EF9@SendSpamHere.ORG>! > >>Organization: TMESIS Softwarea > >e > >nG > >>...but since everyone here is smart enough not to use crap from then
 Micro$haftK > >>corporation, these viruses will not propagate from our systems... right) folksg > >>at HP.COM?  ;P > >> > >s > >S > >e > >oH > >I *finally* found a way to deal with the billyworld without having to maintain3 > >an actual billybox and all the problems thereof.t > >eH > >Fortunately, for most stuff I've been able to switch over to mac OSX, which IrJ > >find way more reliable and much easier to use.  Work stuff-related I do on theK > >vms systems, plus mail, and browsing and quicken and other things I usedt to dof& > >on the billybox are now on the mac. >lK > I took to OS X like a fish to water.  Still trying to sort out navigatinga the  > Weendoze 2000/XP screens.f >t >B >D8 > >There are only a couple of things that are a problem: > >mH > >1. fucking web sites that will work only with a billy browser (and in someH > >cases only on an actual billybox because IE for the mac won't work on them > >either).p >mI > My latest passion (an internet radio station) seems to work better withl thecL > Netscape browser than with the Internet Exploiter for those using PeeCees!G > There are a few good sites that haven't fallen prey to the Micro$haftj "make  > M$ the way" philosophy.A >s >II > >Here lately I haven't been bothering with 1, because I no longer allowe thevI > >billybox access to the internet for any reason, having no need for theoL > >accumulation of spyware and other shit, which is what drove me to the mac inE > >the first place.  I just forget about those billycentric websites.e >dJ > I'm still not sure what this "spyware" thing is all about but I've heard ofL > more machines being infected with it in the past few weeks.  ...and if oneF > more PeeCee moron ask me if I will look at their PeeCee to help them remove > I will go postal!p >m >SI > >The dual-cpu mac G4 is so much faster than the billybox being replacedD that< > >hopefully the emulation overhead won't be that noticable. >e: > ...and the dual G5 can blow the doors off of your G4. :)    I Not surprising when you consider that Virginia Tech cobbled 1100 dual-cpurJ Apple G5's together to create the 3rd fastest supercomputer for about $5M-H trails only the Los Alamo Alpha ASCI-Q and the NEC Earthquake Simulator.  * http://news.com.com/2100-1006-5107944.html1 http://www.apple.com/hardware/video/virginiatech/    Maybe HP should just buy Apple.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:21:58 GMTM" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Spam form kerry0 Message-ID: <00A2F451.855446B7@SendSpamHere.ORG>  m In article <jaY7c.29206$5ze.3125@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:e {...snip...} >>; >> ...and the dual G5 can blow the doors off of your G4. :)  >o >jJ >Not surprising when you consider that Virginia Tech cobbled 1100 dual-cpuK >Apple G5's together to create the 3rd fastest supercomputer for about $5M-MI >trails only the Los Alamo Alpha ASCI-Q and the NEC Earthquake Simulator.r >e+ >http://news.com.com/2100-1006-5107944.htmlm2 >http://www.apple.com/hardware/video/virginiatech/ >B  >Maybe HP should just buy Apple.  F Dunno 'bout that but porting VMS to the PowerPC chip would be nice! :)   --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  -- oK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMo            l5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" n   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:47:18 GMTe# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>t Subject: Re: Spam form kerryH Message-ID: <qSZ7c.29479$5ze.27278@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A2F451.855446B7@SendSpamHere.ORG...I > In article <jaY7c.29206$5ze.3125@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,o% "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:f > {...snip...} > >>= > >> ...and the dual G5 can blow the doors off of your G4. :)M > >e > >mL > >Not surprising when you consider that Virginia Tech cobbled 1100 dual-cpuH > >Apple G5's together to create the 3rd fastest supercomputer for about $5M-K > >trails only the Los Alamo Alpha ASCI-Q and the NEC Earthquake Simulator.p > >r- > >http://news.com.com/2100-1006-5107944.htmli4 > >http://www.apple.com/hardware/video/virginiatech/ > >g" > >Maybe HP should just buy Apple. >-H > Dunno 'bout that but porting VMS to the PowerPC chip would be nice! :)    K And would make better economic sense than IA64 chip prices. I'll bet that a.C laptop G5 can't be far away...wouldn't that be nice running VMS :-)3   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:49:36 -0800.# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>a Subject: RE: Spam form kerry9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECICEMOCPAA.tom@kednos.com>O     -----Original Message-----D   From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG [mailto:VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG]'   Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 8:22 AMf   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com8   Subject: Re: Spam form kerry       In article>   <jaY7c.29206$5ze.3125@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,'   "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:b   {...snip...}   >>=   >> ...and the dual G5 can blow the doors off of your G4. :)g   >g   >dL   >Not surprising when you consider that Virginia Tech cobbled 1100 dual-cpuB   >Apple G5's together to create the 3rd fastest supercomputer for   about $5M-K   >trails only the Los Alamo Alpha ASCI-Q and the NEC Earthquake Simulator.j   > -   >http://news.com.com/2100-1006-5107944.html 4   >http://www.apple.com/hardware/video/virginiatech/   >n"   >Maybe HP should just buy Apple.  H   Dunno 'bout that but porting VMS to the PowerPC chip would be nice! :)  I That chip considerable lead on Itanium, and IBM certainly is going to sits back.s   --D   http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityE                               solutions that others only claim to be.    --2   VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  6     "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ---t(   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B   Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004   ---R& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 13:20:50 +0000 (UTC)2( From: m.kraemer@gsi.de (Michael Kraemer)  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?/ Message-ID: <c3pdji$e1n$1@news.tu-darmstadt.de>o  a In article <sBO7c.27503$4B1.20922@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> writes:J > H > You might have a M$ front end, but I would bet that the backend/Oracle& > system is either running VMS or AIX. > L > Just because the doctor is using a wireless PDA doesn't mean that he isn't7 > connecting to a VMS/AIX Oracle DB to querry his data.o > J > Actual images would be stored on a M$ server.  Treatment planning on the > Oracle backend.  >   7 The original poster has already given some explanation, # it's a honegrown research solution.n  ; My question was not about patient data storage but referredsD to the technical aspect of treatment planning, i.e. dose calculationD and visualization, which has little to do with Oracle and the likes.? The appropriate tools - requiring FDA or equivalent clearance- D1 are usually delivered by a handful of specialized 9 companies (US-based CMS being one of them, for example). tB None of them has VMS-based solutions in their portfolio any more,  so I was wondering.eE The last one I can remember was Helax, which died in the timeframe of , DEC being sold and alpha being "denounced".    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:48:52 GMT.9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>s  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?1 Message-ID: <o7Y7c.1431$Yk1.448@news.cpqcorp.net>n  : "PhilThayer" <phillip_thayer@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:5ee1d1b7.0403180735.3483b3f0@posting.google.com...  > > >n > > > I'm curious, > > >y9 > > > 1,   which UNIX(es), and which hardware platorm(s)?P > > >t= > > > 2,  which (defense) contractor did the implementation ? ; > > >       (if you can even say, or allude to/drop a hint)c > >n > >gK > > If they kept the VAX hardware when they ported to unix, then the choice3 ofJ > > unix probably would have been Ultrix or some Berkeley distribution. If theyD > > switched hardware, then who knows what flavor of unix they used. > H > I believe they upgraded to AlphaServers and used Digital Unix and wentH > to Tru64 Unix.  If I recall correctly it may have been Boeing Computer% > Services taht did the work on this.t  H I don't think this is correct, I believe I know but am not at liberty to say.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:58:01 GMTi# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?G Message-ID: <ZfY7c.29207$5ze.6677@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   5 "Michael Kraemer" <m.kraemer@gsi.de> wrote in messagee) news:c3pdji$e1n$1@news.tu-darmstadt.de... H > In article <sBO7c.27503$4B1.20922@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> writes: > >tJ > > You might have a M$ front end, but I would bet that the backend/Oracle( > > system is either running VMS or AIX. > >rH > > Just because the doctor is using a wireless PDA doesn't mean that he isn'tc9 > > connecting to a VMS/AIX Oracle DB to querry his data.y > >wL > > Actual images would be stored on a M$ server.  Treatment planning on the > > Oracle backend.d > >o > 9 > The original poster has already given some explanation,n% > it's a honegrown research solution.f >r= > My question was not about patient data storage but referreduF > to the technical aspect of treatment planning, i.e. dose calculationF > and visualization, which has little to do with Oracle and the likes.@ > The appropriate tools - requiring FDA or equivalent clearance-3 > are usually delivered by a handful of specializedn: > companies (US-based CMS being one of them, for example).C > None of them has VMS-based solutions in their portfolio any more,o > so I was wondering.FG > The last one I can remember was Helax, which died in the timeframe oft- > DEC being sold and alpha being "denounced".y    L And HP *still* thinks that ISV applications sell Alpha's and VMS yet they doJ nothing to help ISV's remain with VMS...the application portfolio cupboard% gets emptier and emptier by design...   H ...HP does none of the 'little' things like advertise VMS to prospectiveJ customers, like telling the world in something about VMS in anything otherB than a press release which no self-respective news agency will run   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:02:03 GMT7# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>(  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?G Message-ID: <LjY7c.29209$5ze.6880@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>o  D "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message+ news:o7Y7c.1431$Yk1.448@news.cpqcorp.net...6 >w< > "PhilThayer" <phillip_thayer@hotmail.com> wrote in message9 > news:5ee1d1b7.0403180735.3483b3f0@posting.google.com...s > > > >H > > > > I'm curious, > > > > ; > > > > 1,   which UNIX(es), and which hardware platorm(s)?  > > > > ? > > > > 2,  which (defense) contractor did the implementation ?e= > > > >       (if you can even say, or allude to/drop a hint)e > > >  > > >aF > > > If they kept the VAX hardware when they ported to unix, then the choice > ofL > > > unix probably would have been Ultrix or some Berkeley distribution. If > theyF > > > switched hardware, then who knows what flavor of unix they used. > >IJ > > I believe they upgraded to AlphaServers and used Digital Unix and wentJ > > to Tru64 Unix.  If I recall correctly it may have been Boeing Computer' > > Services taht did the work on this.o >sJ > I don't think this is correct, I believe I know but am not at liberty to > say.    0 Approaching this backhanded, which are not true?0 a) That they kept the VAXen and moved to Ultrix?5 b) That they kept the VAXen an moved to another unix? % c) That they went Alpha and DEC Unix?o" d) That they went Alpha and Tru64?* e) That they went Alpha and some other os?* f) That Boeing had anything to do with it?   :-)y   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:14:27 +0000 (UTC) ( From: m.kraemer@gsi.de (Michael Kraemer)  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?/ Message-ID: <c3puq2$m38$1@news.tu-darmstadt.de>h  m In article <ZfY7c.29207$5ze.6677@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  > N > And HP *still* thinks that ISV applications sell Alpha's and VMS yet they doL > nothing to help ISV's remain with VMS...the application portfolio cupboard' > gets emptier and emptier by design...e > J > ...HP does none of the 'little' things like advertise VMS to prospectiveL > customers, like telling the world in something about VMS in anything otherD > than a press release which no self-respective news agency will run >  >   7 Well, this particular example is really a niche market.e- The real problem dates back to the early 90s,7A when DEC and VMS lost almost all of the technical and edu market.sK As some have stated here, there was no longer a compelling reason to preferb2 VMS over UNIX in either flavor or, later, Windoze.I Even if DEC would have been in a better financial condition at that time "P it would have been next to impossible to counter the growing popularity of UNIX.J Maybe if they had added more UNIXisms to enhance interoperability it would have slowed down the erosion.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:06:21 +0100<* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>8 Subject: Re: virtual pc for mac (was Re: Spam form kerry: Message-ID: <c3pn9t$29ot67$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   Wayne Sewell wrote: , >>From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>  - > <description of virtual pc for mac deleted>l >n   <further snip for brevity>   >  >>H >>Apart from giving Billy more money, I was stunned to see how much the J >>various flavours of that product cost. I also couldn't determine if any J >>of them would run NT. I'm certainly not going to add the cost of W2K or H >>XP to the price I pay. I'm passing on that one unless someone pays me & >>lots of money to make it worthwhile. >> >  >  > N > Basically what you buy in the store is a package containing the emulator andO > one of the operating systems (if anything from billy deserves to be called aneN > operating system): 2000, xp, or whatever.  However, depite the bundling, theL > documentation states that you can install your OS from scratch if desired,L > either the same one or a different one of your choosing.  In fact, you canP > create *multiple* virtual pcs, install the same or different operating systems. > on them, and run all of them simultaneously. >   H Now running multiple virtual pcs concurrently could could be very useful  ; > The list of supported operating systems in the manual is:- >  > XP home/professional > 2000 professional  > NT 4.0 Workstation > Milleniumn > 98 > 95 > pc-dos(?!?!?!) > P > The manual mentions limitations regarding nt and 95 in a couple of places, butQ > of course that is a further indication that you can use them with this product,d > just not quite as well.n >  > For instance:  > N > "In Mac OS X, Virtual PC creates a copy of the Start Menu in the Dock.  ThisN > gives you access to a PC's Start Menu without having to first launch VirtualP > PC.  (Note: this feature is not currently available for PCs running Windows 95 > or Windows NT.)" > O > So the implication is that you *can* run NT, just can't use certain features.  > O > Regarding price, that's because most of what you're paying for is the bundledeJ > operating system.  Basically it's like buying a special version of XP orP > whatever having the emulator bundled with *it*.   I got 2000, because there isQ > no way in hell I will run xp with its embedded billy spyware, but I don't think N > the 250 price was *that* much more than buying 2000 pro by itself would have > been.o >m  H I've just looked up my local Apple store (well, couldn't navigate to it D from there, but Google found it), and see 2 products. One a generic F Windows product and the other at twice the price fro XP Proefessional.  G The second price was the one I had remembered. And I am pleased to say rF that Apple have finally adjusted their software prices here to closer & reflect the current USD exchange rate.  E Another difference with Apple supplied software over M$ crap is that fH with Keynote for example, I bought the German version and could install F the English version. In the M$ world I would have had to specifically D purchase the English version to do that, usually at a premium price.  P > However, given that the emulation is not really OS-specific for the most part,P > what you *could* do is buy the *cheapest* virtual pc package (Fry's had two orM > three different ones as I recall, and I *think* the prices were different),l6 > toss the bundled os, and install the one you want.   >    Thanks. That was it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 12:19:41 -0600 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>8 Subject: Re: virtual pc for mac (was Re: Spam form kerry/ Message-ID: <00A2F459.94A6B109.5@tachysoft.com>r  + >From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>c >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms9 >Subject: Re: virtual pc for mac (was Re: Spam form kerry & >Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:06:21 +0100     > I >I've just looked up my local Apple store (well, couldn't navigate to it  E >from there, but Google found it), and see 2 products. One a generic hG >Windows product and the other at twice the price fro XP Proefessional.t >t  L Crap, I didn't know there was a generic version, i.e. just the emulator, butH based on the above, found it with a google search (Virtual PC for Mac -- Standalone, at 129).    K That was what I really wanted, but Fry's didn't have that, just the bundledhM versions.  The assholes.  I pretty much have to go to Fry's, even though theymK are 20 miles from where I live, because Best Buy, in their infinite wisdom,e: doesn't carry mac products no more.  Even bigger assholes.   Wayne O ===============================================================================iN Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   aO =============================================================================== B Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?", 	Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:55:13 -0600 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>5 Subject: virtual pc for mac (was: Re: Spam form kerryl/ Message-ID: <00A2F445.662F353F.2@tachysoft.com>a  + >From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>3 >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms >Subject: Re: Spam form kerryr& >Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:28:47 +0100    L I responded to this earlier, but I can't find it in the newsgroup, so I mustG have screwed up the post somehow.  If this is a duplicate, I apologize.s     >> yP >> The other thing was that I swore I would never give billy any more money, notN >> even for something non-computer-related like an xbox.  But I guess one lastQ >> time to free myself of him completely from now on is worth it.  If this works,hP >> I'll just give the billybox to my brother.  Not because I don't like him, but+ >> because he doesn't know any better.  :-)  >> h >eG >Apart from giving Billy more money, I was stunned to see how much the  I >various flavours of that product cost. I also couldn't determine if any qI >of them would run NT. I'm certainly not going to add the cost of W2K or  G >XP to the price I pay. I'm passing on that one unless someone pays me f% >lots of money to make it worthwhile.t  N Yeah, basically you are paying for the cost of the bundled operating system (IO use that term lightly with billyware).  I paid 250 for the 2000 professional (I L use *that* term lightly too) version at Fry's, which I think is pretty closeN to what you would pay if you simply bought a full (non-upgrade) 2000 package. L So it's sorta like buying the OS product and getting the *emulator* bundled.  K But here's a tip: you don't necessarily have to *use* the bundled operating J system.  You can toss the one included and do a fresh install of any billyN system you want, even 95 (or *pc-dos*, if you're really masochistic).  If factA you can install all of them and run *multiple* virtual billyboxest simultaneously.h  % According to the manual, you can run:    xp (home or professional)  2000 professionalt	 milleniumh nt 4.0 98/95/pc-dos    L So I've already bought mine, but if I was doing it again knowing what I knowK now I would buy the *cheapest* of the virtual pc packages (I think they are'N different prices, depending on which os is bundled) and then install the one I want.e  N Note that installation of an os on the virtual pc is identical to installationN on a real pc, in that you still need the license keys and such, but hey if youM already have the shit, why not?  Especially if you are retiring the real pc. t7 It's kinda like transferring the os to another machine.    WaynesO ===============================================================================xN Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   sO ===============================================================================nB Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?", 	Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:27:37 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>9 Subject: Re: virtual pc for mac (was: Re: Spam form kerryh: Message-ID: <c3pohp$2agf0k$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   Wayne Sewell wrote:a   > N > I responded to this earlier, but I can't find it in the newsgroup, so I mustI > have screwed up the post somehow.  If this is a duplicate, I apologize.  >    I saw it thanks.   > P > Yeah, basically you are paying for the cost of the bundled operating system (IQ > use that term lightly with billyware).  I paid 250 for the 2000 professional (I N > use *that* term lightly too) version at Fry's, which I think is pretty closeP > to what you would pay if you simply bought a full (non-upgrade) 2000 package. N > So it's sorta like buying the OS product and getting the *emulator* bundled. >l  H Not sure if the version I can see is the same, but it comes out cheaper H than $250 at today's exchange rate. That's either got to be a first for < this side of the pond, or has a lesser version than W2K Pro.     <snip>  ' > According to the manual, you can run:y >  > xp (home or professional)h > 2000 professionalw > millenium  > nt 4.0 > 98/95/pc-dos >  > N > So I've already bought mine, but if I was doing it again knowing what I knowM > now I would buy the *cheapest* of the virtual pc packages (I think they aresP > different prices, depending on which os is bundled) and then install the one I > want.a >   I See above, but if you didn't already have 2000, yours sounds like a good   deal.d  P > Note that installation of an os on the virtual pc is identical to installationP > on a real pc, in that you still need the license keys and such, but hey if youO > already have the shit, why not?  Especially if you are retiring the real pc. d9 > It's kinda like transferring the os to another machine.f > H Yup. I've already got that shit. The original PC has been running Linux D for months now, and the idea of being forced to buy another license F struck me as the same "Windows tax" payable on PCs when you intend to  run *nix or Linux on them.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:03:23 +0100l From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>E Subject: Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CDw2 Message-ID: <c3onfs$f9i$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>  M I found the page where I read that the LD device should be in multiple of 96 f blocks. This is the link:h  $ http://www.djesys.com/vms/cdrom.html  P However the more important bit for this thread is that CD-ROMS for OpenVMS must O have a size that is multiple of 24 blocks. This is the full text on the matter o of LD and CD-ROM disk sizes:  R ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------=  ( Creating the Logical Disk Container File  O There are 2048 disk blocks in a megabyte. A full 650 MB CD-ROM would represent o 1,331,200 disk blocks.  N The size of your Logical Disk container file MUST be a multiple of 96 blocks. ( This satisfies three important criteria:    M      * The geometry of Logical Disk container files results in the number of rM blocks being calculated as multiples of 32: LD devices have a geometry of 32 WO sectors, 1 "head" (track) and a number of cylinders. Thus, there are 32 blocks o in a cylinder.  L      *   The geometry of CD-ROMs on OpenVMS results in the number of blocks O being calculated as multiple of 24: CD devices have a geometry of 4 sectors, 6  T "heads" (tracks) and a number of cylinders. Thus, there are 24 blocks in a cylinder.  N      *   The "common denominator" between 24 and 32 is 96: both 24 and 32 are P evenly divisible by 8, 3*8 and 4*8, respectively. 3*4=12, therefore, 12*8 = 96. 9 Any multiple of 96 is evenly divisible by both 24 and 32.h  Q -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- .         Dirk Munk wrote:I > A long time ago I read something that the size of a CD image should be  J > in multiples of 48 blocks (don't remember why). In this case 34824 is a ' > multiple of 24, so maybe it was 24 ??s > J > I don't use CDWRITE (no burner in my VMS system), but instead I use the I > burner of my PC. First I create a LD device on my VMS systems, and the eK > size is a multiple of 96 blocks (wasn't sure if it was 48 or 96 blocks). rI > I then fill the LD device image with data. When that is done I FTP the pJ > image to my PC, and use Nero to burn the image to a CD-R. Analyze /disk K > is happy with the resulting CD, and will not report any problem with the o > number of blocks.b >  > This is what I get:  >  > $ anal /disk dqa1:I > Analyze/Disk_Structure for _$1$DQA1: started on 17-MAR-2004 18:32:02.69e > : > %ANALDISK-W-CHKSCB, invalid storage control block, RVN 10 > %ANALDISK-I-OPENQUOTA, error opening QUOTA.SYS$ > -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file< > %ANALDISK-I-BADHIGHWATER, file (3664,1,0) SYS$ERRLOG.DMP;1/ >         inconsistent highwater mark and EFBLKp > $m > K > (This was a copy of the VMS 7.3-2 CD. I used backup to copy it to the LD - > image) >    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.163 ************************