1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 24 Mar 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 164       Contents:# 2 objects one program 2 program ids ' Re: 2 objects one program 2 program ids 8 Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A4?= 500,000,000 fine for Micro$oft.< =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A4_500=2C000=2C000_fine_for_Micro=24oft=2E?=< =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_=A4_500=2C000=2C000_fine_for_Micro$oft.?=@ Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers@ Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers" Chicagoland LUG meeting 7-Apr-20044 Re: DCLER (DCL Enhancement Request) for TYPE command Re: DECwindows: BDF vs PCF Re: F$FID_TO_NAME  Re: F$FID_TO_NAME  Re: F$FID_TO_NAME  Re: F$FID_TO_NAME  Re: F$FID_TO_NAME A Re: GNU DIFF and PATCH for Alpha?  Version at crinoid won't unzip # Re: JBoss 3.2.3 on OpenVMS 7.3-1??? % Re: n o b o d y @ n o b o d y . o r g  Output Stream Redirection  Re: Output Stream Redirection  Re: Output Stream Redirection # reading VMS backups on UNIX -- HELP ' Re: reading VMS backups on UNIX -- HELP ' Re: reading VMS backups on UNIX -- HELP  Runnigng with the Borg Re: Runnigng with the Borg Re: Runnigng with the Borg Re: Runnigng with the Borg Re: Runnigng with the Borg Re: Runnigng with the Borg Running with the Borg  Re: Spam form kerry  Re: Spam form kerry  Re: Spam form kerry ' Re: TN3270 - Why it still synchronous ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ? / Re: virtual pc for mac (was Re: Spam form kerry / Re: virtual pc for mac (was Re: Spam form kerry 0 Re: virtual pc for mac (was: Re: Spam form kerry0 Re: virtual pc for mac (was: Re: Spam form kerry< Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CD$ Web Browser for DECwindows VMS 7-2-1  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 23:45:37 GMT " From: tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com, Subject: 2 objects one program 2 program ids8 Message-ID: <hni160halp708h5jm6i34bh6957fd9q7an@4ax.com>  * I have no idea how to word this question!!& 20 years - never seen this before.....  E Looking at the OBJECT LIBRARY, I can see TWO objects, say named A and  B.  C Looking at the SOURCE DIRECTORY, I can see ONE program - written in B COBOL - it has TWO program-ids....   Program-id A. then within theC same source code, a second Program-id B.  (Why is it together? B is  not even called by A ?)     When I do a simple cobol compile $ cob /qualifiers   A.COB ; I get ONE object module   A.OBJ (as I would have expected). 4 And when I insert the one object into the library... $ lib/insert aaa$lib   A.OBJ   and then look at the results,  $ lib/list aaa$lib  '  I can see only one module is inserted.    I'm stumped...& What simple concept am I not grasping?   tutor AT cfl DOT rr DOT com      Thanking you in advance    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 01:13:25 -0500 7 From: "Hein van den Heuvel" <hein_news@eps.zko.dec.com> 0 Subject: Re: 2 objects one program 2 program ids, Message-ID: <406126f5$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  K Yeah, Cobol has these funky concept of 'run unit' and 'contained programs'. G I'm sure it is there to satisfy some standard. Read all about it in the  usersguide chapter 12:L http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/6297/6297_profile_038.html#index_x_181 7    Hein.     / <tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message 2 news:hni160halp708h5jm6i34bh6957fd9q7an@4ax.com..., > I have no idea how to word this question!!( > 20 years - never seen this before..... > G > Looking at the OBJECT LIBRARY, I can see TWO objects, say named A and  > B. > E > Looking at the SOURCE DIRECTORY, I can see ONE program - written in D > COBOL - it has TWO program-ids....   Program-id A. then within theE > same source code, a second Program-id B.  (Why is it together? B is  > not even called by A ?)  > " > When I do a simple cobol compile > $ cob /qualifiers   A.COB = > I get ONE object module   A.OBJ (as I would have expected). 6 > And when I insert the one object into the library... > $ lib/insert aaa$lib   A.OBJ > and then look at the results,  > $ lib/list aaa$lib) >  I can see only one module is inserted.  >  > I'm stumped...( > What simple concept am I not grasping? >  > tutor AT cfl DOT rr DOT com  >  > Thanking you in advance  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:17:18 -0600 0 From: Keith Brown <kbrown2720@NOSPAMcomcast.net>A Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A4?= 500,000,000 fine for Micro$oft. 0 Message-ID: <DoWdnVipRPetkfzdRVn-gg@comcast.com>   Dirk Munk wrote:  M > It seems that today (march 24) the European Union will impose  500,000,000 O > (US $ 620,000,000) on Micro$oft for trying to get a monopoly on meida players I > for Windows. Micro$oft will also be ordered to sell Windows without the ? > Windows Media Player. I suppose Uncle Bill wil not be amused.   . Couldn't have happened to a nicer company  ;-)   --   Keith Brown    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:36:16 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>E Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A4_500=2C000=2C000_fine_for_Micro=24oft=2E?= 2 Message-ID: <c3qhln$v1i$1@news3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>  P It seems that today (march 24) the European Union will impose  500,000,000 (US N $ 620,000,000) on Micro$oft for trying to get a monopoly on meida players for L Windows. Micro$oft will also be ordered to sell Windows without the Windows 5 Media Player. I suppose Uncle Bill wil not be amused.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:08:47 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> E Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_=A4_500=2C000=2C000_fine_for_Micro$oft.?= 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIOENHCPAA.tom@kednos.com>   C Which is slightly less than 1% of the cash in the bank.  It appears E that the market doesn't feel it is all that important since it closed  higher.      -----Original Message-----'   From: Dirk Munk [mailto:munk@home.nl] '   Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 3:36 PM    To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ,   Subject:  500,000,000 fine for Micro$oft.    A   It seems that today (march 24) the European Union will impose     500,000,000 (US C   $ 620,000,000) on Micro$oft for trying to get a monopoly on meida 
   players for A   Windows. Micro$oft will also be ordered to sell Windows without 
   the Windows 7   Media Player. I suppose Uncle Bill wil not be amused.      --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B   Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004   --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:33:31 -0500 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>I Subject: Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers * Message-ID: <4060AD2B.50803@tsoft-inc.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  H > "Andrew Harrison" <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message, > news:c3ffta$369$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... >  >>Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >> >>1 >>>"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message F >>>news:t7v4c.21572$1gU1.15168@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... >>>  >>>  >>>>>You mean Sparc is dead? >>>>>  >>>>L >>>>Reading between the lines, probably yes. Not this generation or the next/ >>>>ones due, but most probably the ones after.  >>>>K >>>>Yet Sun has not said it in so many words, and not gone out of their way  >>>> > to > G >>>>tell their customers that they are killing a proven architecture in  >>>> > favor  >  >>>of  >>>  >>> I >>>>one that has yet to prove itself (funny, do I hear an echo of the Big  >>>> > Bang >  >>>>here?).  >>>> >>>> >>> K >>>As Lou Reed says - stick a fork in it, it's done.  Of course, if I was a  >>>  > Sun  > D >>>customer I'd want to know about the future of Sparc for planning. >>>  >>>  >>UltraSPARC IV+ >>UltraSPARC V	 >>Niagara  >>Rock >>8 >>All currently under development, some in first silicon >> >> > G > Bookmark this for when Sun eventually cancels some or all of them and H > announces that they will be pursuing an AMD strategy across the board.    P That will most likely be up to the customers.  If they buy Sparc based systems, N it seems that Sun will continue to sell them.  If the AMD based systems offer N better price performance, then the Sparc systems may well go away quietly.  I 5 sure wish I had the same options with my favorite OS.        Dave     --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:53:53 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> I Subject: Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers H Message-ID: <5e38c.33153$5ze.23213@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  5 "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message $ news:4060AD2B.50803@tsoft-inc.com... > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > J > > "Andrew Harrison" <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message. > > news:c3ffta$369$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... > >  > >>Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > >> > >>3 > >>>"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message H > >>>news:t7v4c.21572$1gU1.15168@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > >>>  > >>>  > >>>>>You mean Sparc is dead? > >>>>>  > >>>>I > >>>>Reading between the lines, probably yes. Not this generation or the  next1 > >>>>ones due, but most probably the ones after.  > >>>>I > >>>>Yet Sun has not said it in so many words, and not gone out of their  way  > >>>> > > to > > I > >>>>tell their customers that they are killing a proven architecture in  > >>>>	 > > favor  > >  > >>>of  > >>>  > >>> K > >>>>one that has yet to prove itself (funny, do I hear an echo of the Big  > >>>> > > Bang > > 
 > >>>>here?).  > >>>> > >>>> > >>> K > >>>As Lou Reed says - stick a fork in it, it's done.  Of course, if I was  a  > >>>  > > Sun  > > F > >>>customer I'd want to know about the future of Sparc for planning. > >>>  > >>>  > >>UltraSPARC IV+ > >>UltraSPARC V > >>Niagara  > >>Rock > >>: > >>All currently under development, some in first silicon > >> > >> > > I > > Bookmark this for when Sun eventually cancels some or all of them and J > > announces that they will be pursuing an AMD strategy across the board. >  > H > That will most likely be up to the customers.  If they buy Sparc based systems,I > it seems that Sun will continue to sell them.  If the AMD based systems  offer L > better price performance, then the Sparc systems may well go away quietly. I 7 > sure wish I had the same options with my favorite OS.     D HP's actions are telling you to develop a taste for a different o/s.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 03:10:41 GMT , From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net>+ Subject: Chicagoland LUG meeting 7-Apr-2004 . Message-ID: <R_68c.78612$1p.1119769@attbi_s54>  : For details please see: http://eisner.decus.org/lugs/carts  E Topic: Intel's Enterprise Platforms (including Xeon EM64T) and future  roadmaps for Itanium and Xeon    Dave...    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:42:07 -0500 * From: "Marty O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com>= Subject: Re: DCLER (DCL Enhancement Request) for TYPE command : Message-ID: <c3q43h$2ad4sv$1@ID-118202.news.uni-berlin.de>  _ "David B Sneddon" <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:4060492B.5080900@bigpond.com...  : E : I guess my point was that the code is already in there somewhere... H : Another possible option could be /records=n (or /lines=n) to only dump. : the the first n records (lines) of the file.  d I guess I was really thinking the same thing. It's implemented in a very restricted sense so why not make it more general.    I like the idea of /lines=n    Marty    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:59:03 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com># Subject: Re: DECwindows: BDF vs PCF ) Message-ID: <4060A515.6F99A713@istop.com>    Fred Kleinsorge wrote:M > When we ported VMS to Alpha, I argued that we should abandon the VAX server M > base and port the then current MIT reference implementation - which we did.   K So, if the move to .PCF was made in the very very early days of Alpha, at a N time when VAX wasn't yet abandonned, how come this wasn't also aplied to VAX ?K At the time, VAX was still getting plenty of development work done. It even % got a new queue manager before Alpha.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:14:34 +0200 0 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com> Subject: Re: F$FID_TO_NAME* Message-ID: <40608ca6@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  9 I did not build a DCL.EXE for V7.3 with this enhancement.    Guy 7 "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl> wrote in message 4 news:c3pr5m$2am2gu$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de... > ? > "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com> schreef in bericht & > news:405fe96f@usenet01.boi.hp.com...0 > > Coming in V8.2 on all 3 architectures....... > > E > > BLUSKY> write sys$output f$fid_to_name("$1$dkc600","(8978,11,0)")  > > PEPTO:[GUY]LOGIN.COM;23  > > BLUSKY> write sys$output8 > > f$fid_to_name("$1$dkc600",f$file("login.com","fid")) > > PEPTO:[GUY]LOGIN.COM;23  > > BLUSKY>  > > K > > The brackets in the file-id are optional, the following syntax works as  > > well.... > > = > > BLUSKY> write sys$output f$fid("$1$dkc600","129,31206,0")  > > PEPTO:[GUY]ZIP.EXE;4 > > G > > Looking for "volunteers" to test this on V7.3-1 and V7.3-2. Send me ; > > mail if you are interested XXDCL@HP.COM (remove the XX)  > > 
 > > Guy Peleg  > > OpenVMS Engineering  > >  > > / > It won't work on V7.3? Or may I test that :-)  >  > Hans >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:26:51 +0200 0 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com> Subject: Re: F$FID_TO_NAME* Message-ID: <40609d96@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  . Thank you all for your enthusiastic responses.  < Looks like the new lexical function is a real crowd pleaser.  I So far I have received about 30 responses with requests to field test the  new functionality.  K It is hard to answer everybody, apologies if I have not answered your mail.   J I'm currently collecting the requests and expect to send the new images by Thursday morning.    Guy   ; "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com> wrote in message $ news:405fe96f@usenet01.boi.hp.com.... > Coming in V8.2 on all 3 architectures....... > C > BLUSKY> write sys$output f$fid_to_name("$1$dkc600","(8978,11,0)")  > PEPTO:[GUY]LOGIN.COM;23  > BLUSKY> write sys$output6 > f$fid_to_name("$1$dkc600",f$file("login.com","fid")) > PEPTO:[GUY]LOGIN.COM;23 	 > BLUSKY>  > I > The brackets in the file-id are optional, the following syntax works as 
 > well.... > ; > BLUSKY> write sys$output f$fid("$1$dkc600","129,31206,0")  > PEPTO:[GUY]ZIP.EXE;4 > E > Looking for "volunteers" to test this on V7.3-1 and V7.3-2. Send me 9 > mail if you are interested XXDCL@HP.COM (remove the XX)  >  > Guy Peleg  > OpenVMS Engineering  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2004 15:55:30 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)  Subject: Re: F$FID_TO_NAME3 Message-ID: <b4KNis9zdVPB@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <40609d96@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com> writes: 0 > Thank you all for your enthusiastic responses. > > > Looks like the new lexical function is a real crowd pleaser. > K > So far I have received about 30 responses with requests to field test the  > new functionality. > M > It is hard to answer everybody, apologies if I have not answered your mail.  > L > I'm currently collecting the requests and expect to send the new images by > Thursday morning.  >   = 	Don't know if this has come up (jumping in late - no time to C 	read thread - apologies in advance if this is discussed elsewhere) 7 	but will this functionality make it into the directory > 	command?  The reason I ask is with XFC it is laborious to use" 	a program to gain this knowledge:   $ dir/file build.com  / Directory DISK$LOGICAL:[YOUNGR.FID_TO_FILENAME]   + BUILD.COM;1          (25936,1,0)               Total of 1 file. $ fid   :         FID 1.1, utility to find a file name starting from-                    FILE IDENTIFICATION NUMBER   %                          (c) 2001, FB   , _FID, Device Name [default: Current_Disk] >   F _FID, provide File Identification (using mask: xxxxx,xxx,x): 25936,1,0        2 %FID-S-OK, using FID: (25936,1,0),  file name is: 8 DISK$NAME:[USERS.SITE.YOUNGR.FID_TO_FILENAME]BUILD.COM;1   	What would be nice would be:   , 	$ directory/fid_to_name  sys$disk 25936,1,0  8 DISK$NAME:[USERS.SITE.YOUNGR.FID_TO_FILENAME]BUILD.COM;1  A 	Not necessary of course, but a little less cumbersome stuff into  	a lexical.      				Rob      > Guy  > = > "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com> wrote in message & > news:405fe96f@usenet01.boi.hp.com.../ >> Coming in V8.2 on all 3 architectures.......  >>D >> BLUSKY> write sys$output f$fid_to_name("$1$dkc600","(8978,11,0)") >> PEPTO:[GUY]LOGIN.COM;23 >> BLUSKY> write sys$output 7 >> f$fid_to_name("$1$dkc600",f$file("login.com","fid"))  >> PEPTO:[GUY]LOGIN.COM;23
 >> BLUSKY> >>J >> The brackets in the file-id are optional, the following syntax works as >> well....  >>< >> BLUSKY> write sys$output f$fid("$1$dkc600","129,31206,0") >> PEPTO:[GUY]ZIP.EXE;4  >>F >> Looking for "volunteers" to test this on V7.3-1 and V7.3-2. Send me: >> mail if you are interested XXDCL@HP.COM (remove the XX) >> >> Guy Peleg >> OpenVMS Engineering >> >> >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:13:56 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: F$FID_TO_NAME) Message-ID: <4060A891.20A7DDC5@istop.com>   N I think that this function alone is "interesting". But what would be even moreT interesting would be to make ODS/RMS enhancements to allow name-less files to exist.  L Consider a news server that has its own index of posts with many attributes.K It doesn't need a "file name" pointer to the contents, it just needs a FID. I Woudln't this make accessing the data far faster if you skipped the whole L "traverse directory tree to get to the .dir file that contains a filename to fid conversion" bit ?   M You'd need to add some sort of a flag in indexF to indicate that the file has 3 no name so that ana/disk wouldn't find fault in it.   K If one had name-less access to numbered files, wouldn't performance be much 8 closer to that of "files" stored as part of a database ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 07:35:20 +0200 0 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com> Subject: Re: F$FID_TO_NAME* Message-ID: <40611e25@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:b4KNis9zdVPB@eisner.encompasserve.org... 8 > In article <40609d96@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "Guy Peleg"& <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com> writes:2 > > Thank you all for your enthusiastic responses. > > @ > > Looks like the new lexical function is a real crowd pleaser. > > I > > So far I have received about 30 responses with requests to field test  the  > > new functionality. > > I > > It is hard to answer everybody, apologies if I have not answered your  mail.  > > K > > I'm currently collecting the requests and expect to send the new images  by > > Thursday morning.  > >  > > > Don't know if this has come up (jumping in late - no time toD > read thread - apologies in advance if this is discussed elsewhere)8 > but will this functionality make it into the directory? > command?  The reason I ask is with XFC it is laborious to use # > a program to gain this knowledge:  >  > $ dir/file build.com > 1 > Directory DISK$LOGICAL:[YOUNGR.FID_TO_FILENAME]  > " > BUILD.COM;1          (25936,1,0) >  > Total of 1 file. > $ fid  > < >         FID 1.1, utility to find a file name starting from/ >                    FILE IDENTIFICATION NUMBER  > ' >                          (c) 2001, FB  > - > _FID, Device Name [default: Current_Disk] >  > H > _FID, provide File Identification (using mask: xxxxx,xxx,x): 25936,1,0 >  >  >  > 3 > %FID-S-OK, using FID: (25936,1,0),  file name is: : > DISK$NAME:[USERS.SITE.YOUNGR.FID_TO_FILENAME]BUILD.COM;1 >  > What would be nice would be: > - > $ directory/fid_to_name  sys$disk 25936,1,0  > : > DISK$NAME:[USERS.SITE.YOUNGR.FID_TO_FILENAME]BUILD.COM;1 > B > Not necessary of course, but a little less cumbersome stuff into > a lexical. >  >  > Rob  >  >     I I just had some mail exchange about this with RMS engineering. We will be  looking at this soon. * Other utilities might be modified as well.   > > Guy  > > ? > > "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com> wrote in message ( > > news:405fe96f@usenet01.boi.hp.com...1 > >> Coming in V8.2 on all 3 architectures.......  > >>F > >> BLUSKY> write sys$output f$fid_to_name("$1$dkc600","(8978,11,0)") > >> PEPTO:[GUY]LOGIN.COM;23 > >> BLUSKY> write sys$output 9 > >> f$fid_to_name("$1$dkc600",f$file("login.com","fid"))  > >> PEPTO:[GUY]LOGIN.COM;23 > >> BLUSKY> > >>L > >> The brackets in the file-id are optional, the following syntax works as
 > >> well....  > >>> > >> BLUSKY> write sys$output f$fid("$1$dkc600","129,31206,0") > >> PEPTO:[GUY]ZIP.EXE;4  > >>H > >> Looking for "volunteers" to test this on V7.3-1 and V7.3-2. Send me< > >> mail if you are interested XXDCL@HP.COM (remove the XX) > >> > >> Guy Peleg > >> OpenVMS Engineering > >> > >> > >  > >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 20:18:18 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>J Subject: Re: GNU DIFF and PATCH for Alpha?  Version at crinoid won't unzip6 Message-ID: <4060EFEA.C0AC153C@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>  * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote: >  > VMSers --  > O > Still in my quest to get PMWIKI running, even though I haven't sorted out the Q > chmod 2777 problem.  (I seem to have quoted it as "chmod 777", which isn't good I > enough; the CRTL doc on chmod don't seem to have a way to get into that  > left hand bit.)  > J > It uses Unix diff and patch to identify changes in pages.  No problem, ID > thought; I remember they've been ported to VMS, and went googling. >  > http://www.crinoid.com/utils/  > P > appears to have recent versions of these utilities, but the versions it servesP > appear to be corrupt.  (UNZIP says there's no directory structure in them, andJ > that they might be partial archives.)  Tried this with both HTTP and FTP% > downloads using Mozilla 1.5 on VMS.  > H > I tried the openoffice tools page, and it doesn't have links for those > utilities. > . > Anybody got a working version or any advice?  F I downloaded these via HTTP in Netscape V4.77. PKzip for Windows V2.60H (old, I know) complains about errors in the archives, but is able to fix them.   D We're in the new house now, but I don't have my Alpha up and running7 yet. So this is from my DECUS presentations (on-line at F http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/zipunzip/): ZIP has an option to fixA archives, /FIX_ARCHIVE[=FULL] or "-F[F]". Use =FULL or FF to "try  harder".   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2004 14:17:34 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) , Subject: Re: JBoss 3.2.3 on OpenVMS 7.3-1???3 Message-ID: <Rsp0tYrg2EmI@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <c82a0e9d.0403230517.58c97424@posting.google.com>, klaser@gmx.de (klaser) writes:	 > Hello,   > E > I try to running JBoss 3.2.3 on OpenVMS 7.3-1 with J2SDK 1.4.2-03.  H > Unfortunately some services like: AXIS/Tomcat Service etc. will be not	 > started 4 > I get allways ClassNotFoundException (see below).  > H > I know that OpenVMS does not like the unix style directory names like:      Not so, see below.    > - jboss-net.sar  > - jbossweb-tomcat41.sar 4 > during unzip OpenVMS create following directories  > -> jboss-net_sar.DIR    > -> jbossweb-tomcat41_sar.DIR.   F    The above depends on whether you're using ODS-5 or not, and whetherH    you have a version of UNZIP that knows that those directory names areB    OK with ODS-5.  I never saw the point of running Java on ODS-2.?    If you are using ODS-5, rename them to what they started as.   > > java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: No ClassLoaders found for:' > org.jboss.net.axis.server.AxisService   @    Look through JAVA$CLASSPATH, if it's defined, or CLASSPATH ifE    JAVA$CLASSPATH is not defined, and make sure you can find a ZIP or F    JAR file which contrains org.jboss.net.axis.server.AxisService, and(    that the file is in stream-LF format.  G    Usually when I run into this the file is there, but I have to change     the attributes to stream-LF.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:20:23 -0800 & From: Tom Crabtree <tccrab@sunset.net>. Subject: Re: n o b o d y @ n o b o d y . o r g, Message-ID: <c3qk7501mmc@enews1.newsguy.com>   > " > How can I get my very own troll?   Be careful what you wish for.    TomC   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 12:16:29 -0800 " From: "Bruce" <btaube@infoave.net>" Subject: Output Stream Redirection% Message-ID: <40602a9e@cpns1.saic.com>   I Anyone have a way to redirect sys$output to the terminal and to a file at & the same time, from a captive account.  J The @tee.com example in the pipe command spawns a subprocess and therefore fails in a captive account.    Any ideas ?    Thanks in advance !    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:58:55 -0500 ) From: "Scott Greig" <jsgreig@geminaq.com> & Subject: Re: Output Stream Redirection6 Message-ID: <ox18c.709$gN3.4154@news20.bellglobal.com>  - "Bruce" <btaube@infoave.net> wrote in message  news:40602a9e@cpns1.saic.com... K > Anyone have a way to redirect sys$output to the terminal and to a file at ( > the same time, from a captive account. > L > The @tee.com example in the pipe command spawns a subprocess and therefore > fails in a captive account.   . Try changing the PIPE command to PIPE/TRUSTED. Scott  > 
 > Any ideas ?  >  > Thanks in advance !  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:15:56 -0500 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>& Subject: Re: Output Stream Redirection. Message-ID: <406070CC.5470.10F90DDD@localhost>  % On 23 Mar 2004 at 12:16, Bruce wrote: H > Anyone have a way to redirect sys$output to the terminal and to a file+ > at the same time, from a captive account.   = What's your application?  Does sys$output have to be totally  @ interactive, or can you capture to a file and display that?  If D you're running multiple programs, you could capture and display the  output on each step.  F Alternatively, you could do a SET HOST 0/LOG=XYZ.LOG, even automating F the login, which would capture the session.  I did this at one site --C the users logged into a "dummy" account (D_FRED instead of FRED).   ? The LOGIN.COM for D_FRED did the SET HOST and logged them into  B account FRED.  When they "returned" from username FRED, they fell  into a LOGOUT command.  A You'd want the account for FRED to be set to a password that the  F users don't know.  You should probably have FRED's LOGIN.COM check to C see where they came from (rejecting everything but a SET HOST from   the local system).      
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:09:49 -0500  From: vanni@mit.edu , Subject: reading VMS backups on UNIX -- HELP+ Message-ID: <m2brmnqq9e.fsf@adagio.mit.edu>   " We need to read a vms backup tape. I installed vmsbackup 4.1.; but when we run it it complains about "invalid block size".  (more detail below)   3 Is vmsbackup the best utility out there, if this is - case, how do we solve the block size issue ??    thanks in advance !!   -vanni     * VMSBACKUP ....  / The thing was very easy to compile and install. E However when I try to read the backup  ... I get the following error:    	# vmsbackup -tv  -f ./f4 %             Snark: Invalid block size   8 Yes, we tried using the -b flag and enter some possible ) block sizes, but it did not seem to work. ; Also, a block size argument for a local file, did not seem   to make much sense anyway.  6 Yes, f4 is a UNIX file (OSF1 windsurf V4.0 1229 alpha)0 that I extracted from a tape with the DD command&      (dd if=/dev/nrmt0h of=f4 bs=8192)     Any pointers appreciated !!    -vanni	        ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:18:31 -0500 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>0 Subject: Re: reading VMS backups on UNIX -- HELP/ Message-ID: <40607167.20875.10FB6B76@localhost>   - On 23 Mar 2004 at 15:09, vanni@mit.edu wrote: $ > We need to read a vms backup tape.  C [Shameless Plug (tm) alert!]  You could always restore it on a VMS  ' system, and burn some CD's.  Check out:   &   http://www.stanq.com/conversion.html  > Of course, if you're trying to do this for free, never mind...  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:04:58 GMT 4 From: "Roert G. Schaffrath" <rschaffrath@yahoo.com>0 Subject: Re: reading VMS backups on UNIX -- HELP% Message-ID: <4060B487.6F46@yahoo.com>    vanni@mit.edu wrote: > $ > We need to read a vms backup tape. > I installed vmsbackup 4.1.= > but when we run it it complains about "invalid block size".  > (more detail below)  > 5 > Is vmsbackup the best utility out there, if this is / > case, how do we solve the block size issue ??  >  > thanks in advance !! >  > -vanni >  > * VMSBACKUP .... > 1 > The thing was very easy to compile and install. G > However when I try to read the backup  ... I get the following error:  > " >         # vmsbackup -tv  -f ./f4' >             Snark: Invalid block size  > 9 > Yes, we tried using the -b flag and enter some possible + > block sizes, but it did not seem to work. < > Also, a block size argument for a local file, did not seem > to make much sense anyway. > 8 > Yes, f4 is a UNIX file (OSF1 windsurf V4.0 1229 alpha)2 > that I extracted from a tape with the DD command( >      (dd if=/dev/nrmt0h of=f4 bs=8192) >  > Any pointers appreciated !!  >  > -vanni  E Having recently gone through this myself with the V4.0 version of the F utility I recall that it took some effort to get it working especially@ with record formats the utility did not understand from a V5.5-2D backup.  I would up editing and re-editing several times until I was* able to get a relatively flawless restore.  ' I took a look at the 4.1.1 version from G ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/free-vms/ and it seemed to work okay E with my old saveset.  The problem you are be having may be due to you C pulling ANSI label header off the tape along with the saveset.  You C might try a "more f4" and see if you see "VOL1", "HDR1", and "HDR2" F amongst the gibberish that will appear.  If that is the case, you willG need to try the following command first (change the tape device name to ' a non-rewind name, possibly "nrmt0hn"):    mt -f /dev/rmt/nrmt0h fsf   G This will position the tape past the header file.  Then do the "dd" and C you should have the saveset.  Also, you may pickup the ANSI trailer G (EOF1) but that should not be a problem except after vmsbackup finished = the last file it will generate a block error (not a problem).   @ Depending on how old your backup is, the record formats may be aF problem.  The following change to vmsbackup.c will handle most of themH (the "patch" is the "// Unknown" tagged lines - search for FAB_dol_C_FIX  and append the two lines below):  6         while (file_count+i < filesize && i < rsize) {!                 switch (recfmt) { #                 case FAB_dol_C_FIX: *                 case 33:        // Unknown"                 case 34:        //) Unknown                                   
 Good Luck! Robert   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2004 14:05:31 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)r Subject: Runnigng with the Borgg3 Message-ID: <kLqXRLk9dESJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>0  Z In article <00A2F3CC.670030EB.9@tachysoft.com>, Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> writes:  O > The only drawback to this is that Virtual PC is a product of Microshit ratherwO > than Apple.  I have much greater faith in the developers at the latter ratheroM > than the "engineering" department of the former.  Haven't seen any problemseP > yet, but I've only had the product a couple of days.  I'm hoping that it won'tO > at least screw up any *more* than a real billybox would have.  As long as theNQ > mac enviroment keeps it encapsulated well enough that it doesn't fuck things upeP > outside the emulation, that would be sufficient.  As far as internal fuckups, P > with the disk images and such, it should be pretty easy to back up and restore > from the mac.L  H    There is bochs, an x86 emulator you can find on the net.  It will runH    Windoze, but you have to figure out how to get the licensed copy fromB    Billy.  I was thinking of running it under Charon-VAX, just for.    grins, but never got around to building it.  E    As long as you're running Windoze, what difference does it make if I    it's sitting on top of more Microslop stuff?  You already putting youri    money in the Borg's hands.f  D    IMHO when I _have_ to run Windoze, I'd rather give someone else: A    Micky, Carly, ... (anybody but Billy) the money for the box.  :4    Fortunately I don't have to do so on my own dime.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:52:18 GMT-# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>-# Subject: Re: Runnigng with the Borg H Message-ID: <Cc38c.33147$5ze.24588@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messageh# news:4060A9D2.2704CD2D@istop.com...  > Bob Koehler wrote:G > >    IMHO when I _have_ to run Windoze, I'd rather give someone else: C > >    Micky, Carly, ... (anybody but Billy) the money for the box. 8 > >    Fortunately I don't have to do so on my own dime. >t) > In a way, this is similar to VMS today.  >oH > Many shops will run any application they can on Unix/Windows, and only thosetL > that they _have_ to run on VMS will run on the few remaining boxes running VMS. >aJ > So, when you have a Mac with a windows emulator, you only run those apps thatJ > you absolutely must run on Windows. But the vast majority of your budget will! > go towards buying MAC software.  >/G > This means that you generate far fewer sales for windows software. If. everyoneK > did that, then windows software sales would start to go down and more andy more+ > ISVs would target MACs instead of wintel.     G JF, there you go again....Trying to use logical argument in the face ofs irrational behavior by HP.  H The way HP sees it (by way of analogy) is that if 'The Gong Show' is theL lowest common denominator of tv shows, then that's where HP wants to wallow.F That they could produce 'Frontline' or 'Nature' and still have a large 'share' escapes them.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:19:16 -0400.* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com># Subject: Re: Runnigng with the Borgg) Message-ID: <4060A9D2.2704CD2D@istop.com>@   Bob Koehler wrote:E >    IMHO when I _have_ to run Windoze, I'd rather give someone else:.A >    Micky, Carly, ... (anybody but Billy) the money for the box.a6 >    Fortunately I don't have to do so on my own dime.  ' In a way, this is similar to VMS today.   L Many shops will run any application they can on Unix/Windows, and only thoseO that they _have_ to run on VMS will run on the few remaining boxes running VMS.A  M So, when you have a Mac with a windows emulator, you only run those apps thateM you absolutely must run on Windows. But the vast majority of your budget willh go towards buying MAC software.   N This means that you generate far fewer sales for windows software. If everyoneN did that, then windows software sales would start to go down and more and more) ISVs would target MACs instead of wintel.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:46:46 -0600-( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com># Subject: Re: Runnigng with the Borgr/ Message-ID: <00A2F487.4677F00A.1@tachysoft.com>=  * >Message-ID: <4060A9D2.2704CD2D@istop.com>+ >From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>o+ >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC)t >X-Accept-Language: en     >aN >So, when you have a Mac with a windows emulator, you only run those apps thatN >you absolutely must run on Windows. But the vast majority of your budget will  >go towards buying MAC software. >iO >This means that you generate far fewer sales for windows software. If everyonepO >did that, then windows software sales would start to go down and more and more-* >ISVs would target MACs instead of wintel.    
 Works for me.m  J Of course, if that happened, billy would pull the emulator from the marketO before the OS sales slid very much.  The emulator doesn't make *nearly* as much N money as the systems running on it.  But hopefully somebody else would develop' another one to continue the trend.  :-)    WayneyO ===============================================================================dN Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   mO ===============================================================================_B Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?", 	Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Mar 2004 00:14:08 GMT. From: jealousxmp@aol.commonplace (jealous xmp)# Subject: Re: Runnigng with the Borg-: Message-ID: <20040323191408.04930.00000227@mb-m12.aol.com>   >h >Works for me. > K >Of course, if that happened, billy would pull the emulator from the market K >before the OS sales slid very much.  The emulator doesn't make *nearly* as0 >muchUG >money as the systems running on it.  But hopefully somebody else would  >develop( >another one to continue the trend.  :-) >e >Wayne  O Virtual PC is certainly the right price, $130 as I recall.  VMware for intel is M $300.  Unfortunately VPC requires a windows NT host OS, and VMware can run ona windows NT or nix.  I The ideal solution is a quad boot alpha with NT 4.0, Tru 64, OpenVMS, andtN linux.  Then run Mac OS 8 in basilisk, vms and ultrix for vax within SIMH, and Windows XP within Bochs.  M The only more exotic boot would be IBM PPC with AIX, Solaris PPC, NT 4.0, and  linux.   Michael-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:23:36 -0600<( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com># Subject: Re: Runnigng with the BorgS/ Message-ID: <00A2F4AD.F2AE2C51.1@tachysoft.com>f   >X-Admin: news@aol.com/ >From: jealousxmp@aol.commonplace (jealous xmp)e >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms >Date: 24 Mar 2004 00:14:08 GMT-% >Organization: AOL http://www.aol.como$ >Subject: Re: Runnigng with the Borg; >Message-ID: <20040323191408.04930.00000227@mb-m12.aol.com>1   >>Works for me.n >>L >>Of course, if that happened, billy would pull the emulator from the marketL >>before the OS sales slid very much.  The emulator doesn't make *nearly* as >>muchH >>money as the systems running on it.  But hopefully somebody else would	 >>developw) >>another one to continue the trend.  :-)  >> >>Wayne> >lP >Virtual PC is certainly the right price, $130 as I recall.  VMware for intel isN >$300.  Unfortunately VPC requires a windows NT host OS, and VMware can run on >windows NT or nix.>    D We weren't talking about an emulation running *on* NT, or any wintelH combination.  We were talking about an emulation *of* NT and other billyK "operating systems" running on macintosh OSX.  The product that started the - initial subthread was Virtual PC *For Mac*.  >  M The Dream Scenario we were discussing was if all billy operating systems ran  F only on emulated hardware under mac osx, and that just until all theirN applications were migrated to native mac equivalents.  The ultimate goal being a totally billy-free world.tO =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   aO =============================================================================== B Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?", 	Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2004 14:07:00 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)2 Subject: Running with the Borg3 Message-ID: <wVq51S$BJMzh@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  g In article <c3p3gv$28mtf5$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:t  J > I can file my tax return online nowadays. Dead easy they say. Ha! As if K > I would! Add to that, sorry no Mac version available yet. They assure us eI > the software they supply is secure, and it probably is. The problem is c > what it runs on.  '    TurboTax for Macintosh.  Good stuff.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:08:42 -0600 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> Subject: Re: Spam form kerry/ Message-ID: <00A2F471.316327C7.3@tachysoft.com>   ) >From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>e >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms >Subject: Re: Spam form kerryn0 >Message-ID: <00A2F3CC.670030EB.9@tachysoft.com>& >Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:29:05 -0600  N >Fortunately, for most stuff I've been able to switch over to mac OSX, which IO >find way more reliable and much easier to use.  Work stuff-related I do on the O >vms systems, plus mail, and browsing and quicken and other things I used to do $ >on the billybox are now on the mac.  B "Work stuff-related"?  Did I type that?  Er, "work-related stuff".  K Like everything else, that was billy's fault.  Just discussing him caused a  serious brain malfunction.  :-) O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   iO ===============================================================================eB Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?", 	Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:32:48 -0600h( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> Subject: Re: Spam form kerry/ Message-ID: <00A2F474.8F078D39.1@tachysoft.com>    >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms >Subject: Re: Spam form kerry ! >From: VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGe% >Reply-To: VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG-1 >Message-ID: <00A2F42A.9C52AD77@SendSpamHere.ORG>4 >Organization: TMESIS Software     >kL >I'm still not sure what this "spyware" thing is all about but I've heard of> >more machines being infected with it in the past few weeks.    L Basically it's shit that gets installed locally on your computer runs in theO background.  It monitors the web sites you go to and what you buy and crap like-N that.  Then it connects back to a server somewhere and tells the fuckers aboutL your buying habits.  In response, the server returns advertising tailored toO you and pops it up in your face with that fucking messenger service!! Even whenD the browser is not running!!  L Getting infested with this is what convinced me to give up on the billyworld! and that's when I bought the mac.d    N Fortunately, I should be double protected from this when using the virtual pc.  I First, the "throw away disk changes" feature should prevent it from beinga
 installed.  O Second, even if it suceeded in infesting the virtual pc, it wouldn't be able toiM make a connection to the internet because Little Snitch would see it and give-I me the opportunity to reject the connection attempt.  I would get a popupeM saying "application x is trying to make a connection to port nn at address y,A allow or deny?".     > 9 >...and the dual G5 can blow the doors off of your G4. :)a >e >h    L Well, *I've* got the Big Ass 23-inch Cinema Display!  So there!  Nyah, nyah! <loud and juicy raspberry>   d   :-) :-)      >v >oO >>The other thing was that I swore I would never give billy any more money, noty >aM >I have never given billy one cent!  Nada.  I never have and never ever will!l >Shame on you Wayne! ;)p  E Yeah, you're right.  I should commit hari-kari at the first available-( opportunity for this transgression.  :-)   Wayne2O ===============================================================================FN Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   vO ===============================================================================-B Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?", 	Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:03:26 -0400Y* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: Spam form kerry) Message-ID: <4060A61C.F4A441CA@istop.com>p  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:i" > >Maybe HP should just buy Apple. > H > Dunno 'bout that but porting VMS to the PowerPC chip would be nice! :)  F Would there be any real issues with VMS running on both PowerPC G5 forJ workstations, and "real" IBM Power chips for servers ?  (both 64 bits, but each with its own extensions).   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:16:23 -0500d  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>0 Subject: Re: TN3270 - Why it still synchronous ?6 Message-ID: <1040323210826.15727E-100000@Ives.egh.com>  ) On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, Elliott Roper wrote:-  4 > In article <40576691.27D9867F@istop.com>, JF Mezei$ > <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote: > ' > > re: block mode terminals on PDP-11:D > >  > > Jack Peacock wrote:>I > > > The programs worked just fine, but the theory did not.  On an asyncxO > > > interface each byte sent from the terminal generated an interrupt.  SinceeR > > > this was at typing speed the number of incoming interrupts was quite low.  AM > > > block transmission generated a burst of interrupts at 100 to 1000 timest> > > > normal rate, overwhelming the serial interrupt handler.  > > K > > With DMA transfers on VAX, would this still cause an interrupt for each4 > > character received ?P > > And when you do raw IO without SMG, FMS or even formatted QIO, wouldn't thatR > > result is far fewer resources being used for each character ((especially sinceO > > you don't need characters to be echoed, just deposited into a memory buffer: > > (especially with DMA). > H > You are right. Even on pdp-11s with DH-11s, block mode terminals wouldH > deliver quite a lot of characters per interrupt. DH-11 had a silo thatH > could be sucked dry on a single interrupt. Yes, the driver took a fairH > armful of cpu whenever anyone hit the tx tit, but the overall cpu costH > per character was much lower. On top of that, the load was potentially@ > halved since the cpu was taking no outbound interrupts on echoG > characters. It has been a long time, but IIRC, it was possible to DMAEH > output to a DH-11, but I don't remember any DEC PDP-11 terminal driver > that bothered to try.,    RSTS/E did.  (And still does...)  D DH had a silo for input and DMA output.  IIRC, DHU/DHV has the same.  E I believe the DHU (possibly different from the Q-Bus DHV and its manyfE relatives) had a programmable input interrupt delay.  It would wait a ? few milliseconds after receiving a character before posting thegE interrupt.  If a burst of characters was arriving, there was a bettertB chance of seeing several of them in the silo and thus reducing theG total number of interrupts required.  Good, for example, when receiving D a file in Kermit.  Or was that just something I was wishing for back in the day?s   > F > If you were stuck with a doofus interface like a DZ-11, you would beI > lucky to keep up with a block mode terminal. In that case Jack would beiI > right. Terminal servers, of course were the best of all when it came toO > not worrying the cpu.  > F > BTDTGTTS from both writing a block mode terminal and hacking various > TTDRVs on RSTS and RSX >  > --  P > Swen has got to me. I thought I would be the last on earth to mangle my e-mail > address. fsnospam$elliott$$n >  >    -- F John Santosi Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:08:38 -0400U* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?) Message-ID: <4060A754.CC5A1F0F@istop.com>6   Michael Kraemer wrote:J > Even if DEC would have been in a better financial condition at that timeR > it would have been next to impossible to counter the growing popularity of UNIX.L > Maybe if they had added more UNIXisms to enhance interoperability it would > have slowed down the erosion.V  J From a technical point of view, I think that what killed VMS was lack of a built-in TCPIP stack.   0 It had a "state of the art" X system back then.   L Digital was caught between a rock and a hard place. It had bet on OSI, X.400K taking off because they were government mandated standards. But TCPIP, SMTPaK won out before DEC had its full OSI software running. Mistake in hindsight,uL but back then, I am not sure it was such a mistake. Had OSI taken roots, DEC2 woudl have been in the forefront and a big leader.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:39:05 GMT># From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>>8 Subject: Re: virtual pc for mac (was Re: Spam form kerryK Message-ID: <tn08c.23478$uz5.13865@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>u  5 "Wayne Sewell" <wayne@tachysoft.com> wrote in messagei) news:00A2F459.94A6B109.5@tachysoft.com...o- > >From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>e > >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms; > >Subject: Re: virtual pc for mac (was Re: Spam form kerryo( > >Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:06:21 +0100 >f >s > >tJ > >I've just looked up my local Apple store (well, couldn't navigate to itF > >from there, but Google found it), and see 2 products. One a genericI > >Windows product and the other at twice the price fro XP Proefessional.t > >o >iJ > Crap, I didn't know there was a generic version, i.e. just the emulator, but J > based on the above, found it with a google search (Virtual PC for Mac -- > Standalone, at 129). >eE > That was what I really wanted, but Fry's didn't have that, just the  bundled J > versions.  The assholes.  I pretty much have to go to Fry's, even though theyE > are 20 miles from where I live, because Best Buy, in their infiniter wisdom,s< > doesn't carry mac products no more.  Even bigger assholes.    - That's what next-day mail-order is all about.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:54:21 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>8 Subject: Re: virtual pc for mac (was Re: Spam form kerry) Message-ID: <4060A3FC.9BAE1B3A@istop.com>e   Wayne Sewell wrote:eP > However, given that the emulation is not really OS-specific for the most part,P > what you *could* do is buy the *cheapest* virtual pc package (Fry's had two orM > three different ones as I recall, and I *think* the prices were different), 4 > toss the bundled os, and install the one you want.  J I still have the original Insignia Solutions emulator on the MAC. I have 2; "system drives", one with windows 95 and one with DOS only.o  M While they are "generally compatible" with any OS, you need to put in certainlI drivers to map PC functions to the mac (for instance shared folders whichkN appear as a network drive on your MS virtual machine). For internet access, it7 uses the MAC's config/stack. (so again, a special DLL).N  H When you load a vanilla OS on it, you need to load those special driversM (there is a folder added with the "standard" distribution that contains those G special drivers. If Virtual-PC works in the same way, then you may have M problems with NT if you don't have NT compatible drivers. (This may have been J much more of an issue in the days of Windwos95 and NT 4 when they were far& more different than current billyware.  H Note that SOFTPC on VMS was the Insignia Solutions product, and its hardL drives were compatible with the MAC product. However, it emulates a CPU thatI is one or two generations behind and this is why it can't run Windows 95.E  N Interestingly, the ability to still run a real DOS is important to me since myJ old PSION PDA's emulator doesn't run under windows. So I can still run it,L while all those up "upgraded" to Windows 95 and beyond can no longer run it.M Also, in the early days of '95, it was good to be able to boot either WidnowsgN 3.1 or 95 when you got a call from a customer that was using one or the other.  G The thing I liked best about the emulator is the ability to easily takeiK screeshots of windows programmes for documentation purposes. (How-to guides.N etc). I realise that Windows now has that ability to, but on the mac, it worksH reliably and you can then  use it drirectly from  real desktop software.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 13:22:34 -0600 2 From: "-Andy-" <see2go4me@spamdelicious.yahoo.com>9 Subject: Re: virtual pc for mac (was: Re: Spam form kerry 6 Message-ID: <Xns94B5923DF3C99see2go4me@216.196.97.132>  8 Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> enlightened us with:   ' > According to the manual, you can run:l >  > xp (home or professional)> > 2000 professional  > millenium- > nt 4.0 > 98/95/pc-dos  7 Back in the Connectix days, before Microsoft swallowed  0 them up, it was possible to run a number of non-8 Microsoft OS's on a Mac using Virtual PC. Not sure what  Microsoft might have changed.0  8 Check out one person's list of the OS's they managed to  get running here:   )     	http://www.kernelthread.com/mac/vpc/t   -Andy-   -- e4 You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant -- Excepting Alice   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:02:46 -0600h( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>9 Subject: Re: virtual pc for mac (was: Re: Spam form kerry 0 Message-ID: <00A2F470.5D38C385.15@tachysoft.com>   >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms: >Subject: Re: virtual pc for mac (was: Re: Spam form kerry3 >From: "-Andy-" <see2go4me@spamdelicious.yahoo.com>f >Organization: On a Clear Dayo >i9 >Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> enlightened us with: i >t( >> According to the manual, you can run: >> e >> xp (home or professional) >> 2000 professional >> millenium	 >> nt 4.0i >> 98/95/pc-dos  > 8 >Back in the Connectix days, before Microsoft swallowed 1 >them up, it was possible to run a number of non-o9 >Microsoft OS's on a Mac using Virtual PC. Not sure what   >Microsoft might have changed. >s9 >Check out one person's list of the OS's they managed to s >get running here: >h* >    	http://www.kernelthread.com/mac/vpc/ >     J Wow, that's a pretty long list.  Knowing billy, he probably instructed theL drones to disable all of them other than his, but it would be interesting toL try installing one and see if it comes up.  I don't really care about any of? those systems, but it might be good for entertainment purposes..  J Since I already have the product and creating a new virtual machine has no= effect on the existing one, it wouldn't hurt anything to try.1  7 As Bluto said: "Grab a brew.  Don't cost nothin'."  :-)B   WaynerO ===============================================================================rN Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O ===============================================================================oB Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?", 	Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:19:45 -0800m0 From: Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com>E Subject: Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CDw' Message-ID: <406063a2$1@cpns1.saic.com>    Dirk Munk wrote:I > I found the page where I read that the LD device should be in multiple ,! > of 96 blocks. This is the link:  > & > http://www.djesys.com/vms/cdrom.html > E > However the more important bit for this thread is that CD-ROMS for  K > OpenVMS must have a size that is multiple of 24 blocks. This is the full n1 > text on the matter of LD and CD-ROM disk sizes:: > U > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------= e >  > * > Creating the Logical Disk Container File > G > There are 2048 disk blocks in a megabyte. A full 650 MB CD-ROM would ." > represent 1,331,200 disk blocks. > H > The size of your Logical Disk container file MUST be a multiple of 96 2 > blocks. This satisfies three important criteria: >  > K >     * The geometry of Logical Disk container files results in the number 2C > of blocks being calculated as multiples of 32: LD devices have a oF > geometry of 32 sectors, 1 "head" (track) and a number of cylinders. * > Thus, there are 32 blocks in a cylinder. > F >     *   The geometry of CD-ROMs on OpenVMS results in the number of K > blocks being calculated as multiple of 24: CD devices have a geometry of  K > 4 sectors, 6 "heads" (tracks) and a number of cylinders. Thus, there are   > 24 blocks in a cylinder. > K >     *   The "common denominator" between 24 and 32 is 96: both 24 and 32 oK > are evenly divisible by 8, 3*8 and 4*8, respectively. 3*4=12, therefore, eF > 12*8 = 96. Any multiple of 96 is evenly divisible by both 24 and 32. > S > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o  I Whether this information was once true or not is unknown to me but it is sG not true any longer.  LD devices today use variable geometry depending oH on the total size of the disk and the geometry of CD drives varies from I model to model.  I have LD devices with a geometry of 4 sectors/track by eI 6 tracks/cylinder and some with 32 sectors and 32 tracks, etc.  I have a a< SCSI CD drive on one system that uses 8 sectors/track and 4 G tracks/cylinder but the IDE CD drive reports 255 sectors/track and 255 nE tracks/cylinder.  Just for a change of pace, my DVD drive reports 63 -% sectors/track and 16 tracks/cylinder.5  E With all of the CDs and DVDs I have burned, I have never once had to RC worry about the LD device block size being a multiple of any value.a  
 Mark Berrymana   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 02:40:56 GMTt& From: G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com>- Subject: Web Browser for DECwindows VMS 7-2-1y8 Message-ID: <j5t160t2ki02a0m3cl2ocha4hqt35thnn9@4ax.com>  E Is there a Web browser for DECwindows on VMS 7.2-1?  I have found then. HP product but the minimum OS verison is 7.2-2   Thanks in advance    Gary   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.164 ************************