1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 24 Mar 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 165       Contents:' Re: 2 objects one program 2 program ids  :-) BOFH needs VMS Re: :-) BOFH needs VMS Re: :-) BOFH needs VMS Re: :-) BOFH needs VMS8 Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=80?= 500,000,000 fine for Micro$oft.P Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A4_500=2C000=2C000_fine_for_Micro=24?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?oft=2EP Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A4_500=2C000=2C000_fine_for_Micro=24?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?oft=2EP Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A4_500=2C000=2C000_fine_for_Micro=24?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?oft=2E> =?Windows-1252?Q?RE:_=80_500=2C000=2C000_fine_for_Micro$oft.?=% Re: ? 500,000,000 fine for Micro$oft. @ Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers& Re: Cluster hang -- Getting Crash Dump4 Re: DCLER (DCL Enhancement Request) for TYPE command- Re: Dcps 2.3 and the Qms Minolta Propage 9100 - RE: Dcps 2.3 and the Qms Minolta Propage 9100 - Re: Dcps 2.3 and the Qms Minolta Propage 9100  Re: DECwindows: BDF vs PCF' Re: EUR 500,000,000 fine for Micro$oft.  Re: F$FID_TO_NAME  Re: F$FID_TO_NAME  Re: F$FID_TO_NAME  Re: F$FID_TO_NAME  Re: FTP UPPERCASE files.P HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of Veteran Affairs-(OpenP RE: HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of Veteran Affairs-(P RE: HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of Veteran Affairs-(P Re: HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of Veteran Affairs-(P RE: HP Awarded 10 year, $784 Million OpenVMS Services Contract by US         DepP Re: HP Awarded 10 year, $784 Million OpenVMS Services Contract by US         DepP HP Awarded 10 year, $784 Million OpenVMS Services Contract by US Department of VP Re: HP Awarded 10 year, $784 Million OpenVMS Services Contract by US Department P Re: HP Awarded 10 year, $784 Million OpenVMS Services Contract by US Department  Re: infantile hey SM LOVER ITRC - VMS Patch Database  Re: ITRC - VMS Patch Database # Re: JBoss 3.2.3 on OpenVMS 7.3-1??? # Re: JBoss 3.2.3 on OpenVMS 7.3-1???  Re: Multihead ATI Radeon 7500  Re: Multihead ATI Radeon 7500  Re: Multihead ATI Radeon 7500  Re: Quick UCX question Re: Quick UCX question' Re: reading VMS backups on UNIX -- HELP  Re: Runnigng with the Borg Re: Runnigng with the Borg Re: Runnigng with the Borg Re: Running with the Borg  RE: Securing files under VMS Re: Server hang - compute bound  Re: Server hang - compute bound  Re: Server hang - compute bound  Re: set proc/suspend Re: Spam form kerry 
 Sybase on VMS  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ? / Re: virtual pc for mac (was Re: Spam form kerry 0 Re: virtual pc for mac (was: Re: Spam form kerry< Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CD< Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CD< Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CD< Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CD< Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CD< Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CD< Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CD< Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CD( Re: Web Browser for DECwindows VMS 7-2-1( Re: Web Browser for DECwindows VMS 7-2-1( Re: Web Browser for DECwindows VMS 7-2-1( Re: Web Browser for DECwindows VMS 7-2-1( RE: Web Browser for DECwindows VMS 7-2-1D which systems have the best track record - sun vs dec/q/hp vms alphaH Re: which systems have the best track record - sun vs dec/q/hp vms alphaH Re: which systems have the best track record - sun vs dec/q/hp vms alphaH Re: which systems have the best track record - sun vs dec/q/hp vms alphaH RE: which systems have the best track record - sun vs dec/q/hp vms alphaH Re: which systems have the best track record - sun vs dec/q/hp vms alpha% Re:  500,000,000 fine for Micro$oft.   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:36:38 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>0 Subject: Re: 2 objects one program 2 program ids1 Message-ID: <qOi8c.1593$rw2.704@news.cpqcorp.net>   # tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com wrote: , > I have no idea how to word this question!!( > 20 years - never seen this before..... > G > Looking at the OBJECT LIBRARY, I can see TWO objects, say named A and  > B. > E > Looking at the SOURCE DIRECTORY, I can see ONE program - written in D > COBOL - it has TWO program-ids....   Program-id A. then within theE > same source code, a second Program-id B.  (Why is it together? B is  > not even called by A ?)  > " > When I do a simple cobol compile > $ cob /qualifiers   A.COB = > I get ONE object module   A.OBJ (as I would have expected). 6 > And when I insert the one object into the library...  > $ lib/insert aaa$lib   A.OBJ   > and then look at the results,  > $ lib/list aaa$lib  ) >  I can see only one module is inserted.  >  > I'm stumped...( > What simple concept am I not grasping? >   G Careful with your terminology.  A.OBJ is not one object MODULE, but an  H object FILE.  You can have multiple modules in a single .OBJ file.  For I example, a Fortran file full of SUBROUTINEs will create an object module  F for each subroutine and put all of those modules into a single object   file (at least it did with F77).  D Now, most languages don't have the concept of multiple modules in a I single source file.  Fortran and COBOL are the only ones that come to my  G mind.  The Extended Pascal standard allows it, but my compiler doesn't   support it.    --   John Reagan / HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:06:36 GMT # From: t15vp8102@sneakemail.com (tc)  Subject: :-) BOFH needs VMS 5 Message-ID: <4061a375.14994049@news2.access4less.net>   2 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/30/36469.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:58:58 -0500 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: :-) BOFH needs VMS : Message-ID: <c3seol$2b1j72$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>  	 tc wrote: 4 > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/30/36469.html  1 Now there is someone who really needs CHARON-VAX.    --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:28:37 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>  Subject: Re: :-) BOFH needs VMS 1 Message-ID: <9zj8c.1603$Cz2.351@news.cpqcorp.net>    Now that was cute.  0 "tc" <t15vp8102@sneakemail.com> wrote in message/ news:4061a375.14994049@news2.access4less.net... 4 > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/30/36469.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:42:00 -0500 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> Subject: Re: :-) BOFH needs VMS - Message-ID: <40619028.12392.222963@localhost>   , On 24 Mar 2004 at 11:58, Peter Weaver wrote: > tc wrote: 6 > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/30/36469.html > 3 > Now there is someone who really needs CHARON-VAX.   / Only if he can get the company to pay for it...   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:44:04 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>A Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=80?= 500,000,000 fine for Micro$oft. ) Message-ID: <406190A3.898D99FE@istop.com>   K The Euro competition comissioner should release the details of MS's slap on  the wrist today.  N I heard upwards of $700,000,000 (US). This may not be pocket change for Gates,( but probably just ATM widthdrawal money.  L However, the real thing here is that Europe is expected to not only force MSK to unbundle software such as media player, but also make available certains  parts of Windows source/api.  I "Making available" means that it becomes worldwide distribution since the N internet prevents distribution of such materials from being limited to a given geographical area.  I Of course, Microsoft annoucned it would appeal the ruling even before the U ruling is to be made, and hopes to delay implementation of punishement by many years.   J It will be interesting to see how MS decides to handle the distribution of8 windows if varous countries impose various restrictions.  K I suspect that its gut reaction would be to continue to use its monopoly as N much as possible in countries such as the USA that have refuse dto impose realJ restrictions, and generate a different "version" of windows for each otherM country that has varying limitations. This also means that MS will be able to N set whatever price it wants for each separate country since it will be able to% argue they are all separate products.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:19:29 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>Y Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A4_500=2C000=2C000_fine_for_Micro=24?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?oft=2E : Message-ID: <c3s5di$29rqu7$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   Dr. Dweeb wrote: > Tom Linden wrote:  > E >>Which is slightly less than 1% of the cash in the bank.  It appears G >>that the market doesn't feel it is all that important since it closed 	 >>higher.  >> >  > K > However, for smaller companies in the media player market without $50B in M > the bank, it is good news, since it might stop M$s dubious behaviour - I do K > not think anything will alter the behaviour of the corporation short of a J > few well placed bullets, and even then it is doubtful - but a start is a > start. >   3 Real are suing Microsoft for a billion dollars too:   1 http://news.com.com/2100-1025-5129316.html?tag=nl    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:04:01 +0100 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> Y Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A4_500=2C000=2C000_fine_for_Micro=24?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?oft=2E : Message-ID: <c3sj0h$2bna2l$3@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>  ' On 2004-03-24 00:36, "Dirk Munk" wrote:   R > It seems that today (march 24) the European Union will impose  500,000,000 (US P > $ 620,000,000) on Micro$oft for trying to get a monopoly on meida players for N > Windows. Micro$oft will also be ordered to sell Windows without the Windows 7 > Media Player. I suppose Uncle Bill wil not be amused.   F "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1" doesn't support the EUR currency sign.   Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:17:33 GMT   From: CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net>Y Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A4_500=2C000=2C000_fine_for_Micro=24?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?oft=2E * Message-ID: <4061D102.3080307@prodigy.net>   Dr. Dweeb wrote:   > Tom Linden wrote:  > E >>Which is slightly less than 1% of the cash in the bank.  It appears G >>that the market doesn't feel it is all that important since it closed 	 >>higher.  >> >  > K > However, for smaller companies in the media player market without $50B in M > the bank, it is good news, since it might stop M$s dubious behaviour - I do K > not think anything will alter the behaviour of the corporation short of a J > few well placed bullets, and even then it is doubtful - but a start is a > start. >  > $ SET RANT=ON  > J > M$ got their $50B in the bank by crook, and like Scott McN. I think they5 > should be deprived of as much of it as is possible.   D Actually, I think they got much of it by selling stock and "playing"A loopholes in the tax system, particularly those having to do with F how option compensation is treated.  $50 B sounds like a lot until you divide it up by 10 B shares.  ( The rest was "by crook" as you say.  <g>  	 All JMHO.    > E > This action by the EU is good, as it is far more timely than the US L > "justice" system is ever likely to achieve.  BillyG and his cohorts can doG > anything in the US in the full knowledge that by the time they finish J > delaying the case (and who cares about a $20-30m legal bill), the result- > will be moot and the fines inconsequential.  > L > Their "judgement shopping" in Europe in efforts to kill Lindows is anotherI > of their more recent displays of reprehensible behaviour.  I am looking L > forward to the day that the windows trademark gets quashed.  Billy did notK > invent it, there were lots of windowing systems (called windowing systems N > and containing windows) before BillyG copied them and "window" is a good oldN > english word co-opted for software.  It escapes me that they have managed toJ > keep it this long - another sad indictment of the slowness (and possible) > lack of justice) in the US legal system  >  > $ SET RANT=OFF > H > Q: Do we think M$ will actually write a cheque, or will the EU need to$ > extract the money by other means ? >  > Dr. Dweeb. >  >  >>  -----Original Message-----) >>  From: Dirk Munk [mailto:munk@home.nl] ) >>  Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 3:36 PM  >>  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com . >>  Subject:  500,000,000 fine for Micro$oft. >> >>C >>  It seems that today (march 24) the European Union will impose   >>  500,000,000 (US E >>  $ 620,000,000) on Micro$oft for trying to get a monopoly on meida  >>  players for C >>  Windows. Micro$oft will also be ordered to sell Windows without  >>  the Windows 9 >>  Media Player. I suppose Uncle Bill wil not be amused.  >> >>  --- * >>  Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.> >>  Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).D >>  Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004 >> >>--- ( >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B >>Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004 >  >  >      --  D The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt toC minimize spam.  Our true address is of the form che...@prodigy.net.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 06:50:28 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> G Subject: =?Windows-1252?Q?RE:_=80_500=2C000=2C000_fine_for_Micro$oft.?= 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIGEOFCPAA.tom@kednos.com>   E I think MS is more concerned about restricitons for the future rather K than the amount of this fine.  For example, the EU commission has indicated L that it is opposed to the integration of a search engine in the next version3 of windows (which I happen to think is a good idea)      -----Original Message-----3   From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com] )   Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 5:44 AM    To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 0   Subject: Re:  500,000,000 fine for Micro$oft.    @   The Euro competition comissioner should release the details of   MS's slap on   the wrist today.  >   I heard upwards of $700,000,000 (US). This may not be pocket   change for Gates, *   but probably just ATM widthdrawal money.  @   However, the real thing here is that Europe is expected to not   only force MS :   to unbundle software such as media player, but also make   available certains   parts of Windows source/api.  K   "Making available" means that it becomes worldwide distribution since the =   internet prevents distribution of such materials from being    limited to a given   geographical area.  K   Of course, Microsoft annoucned it would appeal the ruling even before the <   ruling is to be made, and hopes to delay implementation of   punishement by many years.  L   It will be interesting to see how MS decides to handle the distribution of:   windows if varous countries impose various restrictions.  A   I suspect that its gut reaction would be to continue to use its 
   monopoly as @   much as possible in countries such as the USA that have refuse   dto impose real L   restrictions, and generate a different "version" of windows for each other?   country that has varying limitations. This also means that MS    will be able to @   set whatever price it wants for each separate country since it   will be able to '   argue they are all separate products.      --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B   Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004   --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:10:02 +0100   From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>. Subject: Re: ? 500,000,000 fine for Micro$oft.- Message-ID: <c3s8cd$1gc0$1@news.cybercity.dk>    JF Mezei wrote: E > The Euro competition comissioner should release the details of MS's 	 > slap on  > the wrist today. > E > I heard upwards of $700,000,000 (US). This may not be pocket change  > for Gates,* > but probably just ATM widthdrawal money. > E > However, the real thing here is that Europe is expected to not only 
 > force MSD > to unbundle software such as media player, but also make available
 > certains > parts of Windows source/api. > G > "Making available" means that it becomes worldwide distribution since  > the E > internet prevents distribution of such materials from being limited  > to a given geographical area.  > G > Of course, Microsoft annoucned it would appeal the ruling even before  > the < > ruling is to be made, and hopes to delay implementation of > punishement by many years. > < > It will be interesting to see how MS decides to handle the > distribution of : > windows if varous countries impose various restrictions. > A > I suspect that its gut reaction would be to continue to use its 
 > monopoly as D > much as possible in countries such as the USA that have refuse dtoA > impose real restrictions, and generate a different "version" of  > windows for each otherG > country that has varying limitations. This also means that MS will be 	 > able to E > set whatever price it wants for each separate country since it will  > be able to' > argue they are all separate products.   I The issue here is again "tying" or "bundling", issues that US courts have J previously ruled upon in very complex cases.  The anti-trust judgement didL not address this issue IMHO.  MS is guilty on this charge, big-time - and it; is about time someone - anyone please - bumped them for it.   K I was all for breaking MS into component pieces - OSs, OfficeSoftware (SQLS  etc), Games etc.  I This would have forced the non-OS and Office divisions to actually show a J profit.  It would have also forced a more level playing field for products9 that want to operate on MS OSs.  Didnt happen - oh well.   
 Dr. Dweeb.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:21:38 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> I Subject: Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers 2 Message-ID: <Csj8c.1598$ll2.1504@news.cpqcorp.net>  5 "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message $ news:4060AD2B.50803@tsoft-inc.com... > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > J > > "Andrew Harrison" <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message. > > news:c3ffta$369$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... > >  > >>Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > >> > >>3 > >>>"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message H > >>>news:t7v4c.21572$1gU1.15168@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > >>>  > >>>  > >>>>>You mean Sparc is dead? > >>>>>  > >>>>I > >>>>Reading between the lines, probably yes. Not this generation or the  next1 > >>>>ones due, but most probably the ones after.  > >>>>I > >>>>Yet Sun has not said it in so many words, and not gone out of their  way  > >>>> > > to > > I > >>>>tell their customers that they are killing a proven architecture in  > >>>>	 > > favor  > >  > >>>of  > >>>  > >>> K > >>>>one that has yet to prove itself (funny, do I hear an echo of the Big  > >>>> > > Bang > > 
 > >>>>here?).  > >>>> > >>>> > >>> K > >>>As Lou Reed says - stick a fork in it, it's done.  Of course, if I was  a  > >>>  > > Sun  > > F > >>>customer I'd want to know about the future of Sparc for planning. > >>>  > >>>  > >>UltraSPARC IV+ > >>UltraSPARC V > >>Niagara  > >>Rock > >>: > >>All currently under development, some in first silicon > >> > >> > > I > > Bookmark this for when Sun eventually cancels some or all of them and J > > announces that they will be pursuing an AMD strategy across the board. >  > H > That will most likely be up to the customers.  If they buy Sparc based systems,I > it seems that Sun will continue to sell them.  If the AMD based systems  offer L > better price performance, then the Sparc systems may well go away quietly. I 7 > sure wish I had the same options with my favorite OS.  >   L Since we're making predictions... I'll guess that you are wrong.  I'll guessL that at some point they will make the decision to cut their costs/losses andL stop any new Sparc work.  They will develop a Sparc emulator/translator that7 will run under Solaris/AMD as their migration strategy.   H I'll also guess that the decisions have already been made, and that theyJ aren't telling anyone simply because they don't want Sparc sales to dry upI before they have the replacement.  Good for them, perhaps not so good for  those buying Sparc today.    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:05:40 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)/ Subject: Re: Cluster hang -- Getting Crash Dump 0 Message-ID: <newscache$mx53vh$kq5$1@news.sil.at>  p In article <a3c44af1.0403180929.2b8dac62@posting.google.com>, dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter) writes:B >In the past month, I have had two occasions when my (2-node ES40,F >OVMS731)cluster has hung.     All of the symptoms point to a probable@ >Quorum Hang, (quite possible since I don't have a Quorum Disk),G >however there are some indications that this might not be the case.    + >(Note: VOTES = 1 each, EXPECTED_VOTES = 1)    Two nodes with one vote each ?$ Thats expected votes 2 and quorum 2.F If you do specifiy EXPECTED_VOTES = 1 it only lasts until the 2nd node# boots where the quorum raises to 2.   8 >1.    Neither node crashed.  (so no quorum loss there).  E No. In a 2 node cluster without a quorum disk, the cluster hangs when  they lost the interconnect.   G >2.    The cluster uses two fully independent GB ethernet interconnects A >(switches), which are private and do not connect to the network. E >3.    My other cluster, (which uses the same interconnect (i.e. same . >pair of switches) was unaffected by the hang.G >4.    On examination, (i.e. after driving in from home to take care of D >the problem), all link lights are green on the GB Switches.    ThisE >would seem to rule out the interconnects as the source of any quorum A >loss.    And even if they did somehow, simultaneously lose their D >connection and cause a loss of quorum, would quorum not be restored- >when the interconnect links reestablished???    Indeed, that should happen.   B >      I would really appreciate any comments/suggestions here.   F >(Please dont start berating me about the lack of a Quorum Disk unlessD >you think it would have avoided this problem, and can explain why).  ! Please reread the cluster manual.   D >     On a second, equally important issue.    In order to break the= >hang I had to HALT the nodes (one at a time with Cntrl/P).   @ >(Comment:: Again, with the votes set as above, this should have4 >released the hang on the other node,  it didn't!!).  H No. It wouldn't free the other node. (A quorum disk could help you here)= Recalculating the quorum on the remaining node would free it. / (IIRC >>>DEP SIRR C	>>>CONTINUE	IPC>Q	IPC>QUIT)   G >     Because the nodes were HALTed, they didn't automatically generate C >a Crash Dump, so I dont have any thing to diagnose with (Error Log A >contains no indications of problems, neither does Operator.log).    Do a >>>CRASH for a crash dump  G >     The crash dump file SYSDUMP.DMP is set up off the system disk, on A >an internal drive, (and is correctly set up in sysgen and at the  >console level). > D >HOW CAN I FORCE A DUMP AFTER I AM AT THE "P00>>" CONSOLE PROMPT ???  H Please read the appropriate hardware manual. Most modern Alphas do offer0 the CRASH command. Please read also the VMS FAQ.  G >     I am sure that I remember being told that there is a command that @ >can  be entered at the "P00>>" prompt that forces a dump of theF >Registers.    I would really appreciate it if anyone can give me thisF >information.     This is probably more important to me than the causeA >of the hang since, at the moment, I have nowhere to go except to D >endlessly analyse the symptoms in my head, (this leads to insanity,
 >ultimately).   J This newsgroup is full of insane people (like me) ;-) You're welcome here.  E >     The only other information I can think of which might be useful ? >is to mention that I am running the Cerner Millennium Clinical " >Application, with Oracle 8.1.7.4.  8 Anybody running ORACLE 10g (or 10i ?) on VMS already ;-)   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:34:11 +0200 4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com>= Subject: Re: DCLER (DCL Enhancement Request) for TYPE command & Message-ID: <40616422.49A9DB3B@hp.com>   Marty O'Connor wrote:  > a > "David B Sneddon" <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:4060492B.5080900@bigpond.com...  > : G > : I guess my point was that the code is already in there somewhere... J > : Another possible option could be /records=n (or /lines=n) to only dump0 > : the the first n records (lines) of the file. > f > I guess I was really thinking the same thing. It's implemented in a very restricted sense so why not > make it more general.  >  > I like the idea of /lines=n  >  > Marty   C Well, IIRC there will be a SEARCH/SKIP=nn/LINES=mm command in V8.2, 1 so TYPE/HEADER/Lines=ii coulld be implemented as  D   SEARCH/SKIP=0/Lines=ii/MATCH=NOR <filespec> "no such string in the file"    Mike --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:33:32 +0100 " From: labadie <labadie_g@decus.fr>6 Subject: Re: Dcps 2.3 and the Qms Minolta Propage 91002 Message-ID: <c3re1v$4lm$1@news-reader1.wanadoo.fr>   Paul Anderson wrote:G > In article <b94065a6.0403230451.60f8ed1c@posting.google.com>, Labadie $ > G?rard <labadie_g@decus.fr> wrote: >  >  >>Hello  >>E >>I have not found this printer in the Spd of Dcps 2.3, but should it  >>work with IP_LPD ? >  > G > OpenVMS Engineering has no knowledge of this printer.  The data sheet H > indicates the network card does TCP/IP but does not mention LPD or Raw > TCP specifically.  > I > OpenVMS Engineering is familiar with CrownNet technology on QMS network G > cards.  In the past, these cards have supported both Raw TCP (on port  > 6869) and LPD. > H > Try Raw TCP first, since its bidirectionality allows for better status > and error reporting. >  > Paul >  Thanks Paul.  I This printer prints fine ansi files with telnetsym on port 35 (!), but I  H would like to use it to replace a Dec Laser 5100 that prints Multichrom  files with Dcps ... 1.5   " The Multichrom files are typicallyI sequential, variable length, mrs 4460, LRL 696, carriage return carriage  E control, and contains some escape codes (e.g. 0m0w) and some (Pcl ?)  & code (that draws graphs), for example: !120?CFCC!?EDD!3C??@E   A This is why I wanted to use this very model of printer with Dcps.    Regards    Gerard   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:37:27 -0500 * From: "Brian Tillman" <tillmabg@yahoo.com>6 Subject: RE: Dcps 2.3 and the Qms Minolta Propage 9100' Message-ID: <01309D9D.C22236@yahoo.com>    labadie wrote:  D > This printer prints fine ansi files with telnetsym on port 35 (!),D > but I would like to use it to replace a Dec Laser 5100 that prints$ > Multichrom files with Dcps ... 1.5 > $ > The Multichrom files are typically: > sequential, variable length, mrs 4460, LRL 696, carriage > return carriage F > control, and contains some escape codes (e.g. 0m0w) and some (Pcl ?)( > code (that draws graphs), for example: > !120?CFCC!?EDD!3C??@E  > C > This is why I wanted to use this very model of printer with Dcps.   E I'd be surprised to no end if this printer handles PCL.  With a Crown 1 controller, its native language is probably QUIC.  --  
 Brian Tillman    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:47:03 +0100 " From: labadie <labadie_g@decus.fr>6 Subject: Re: Dcps 2.3 and the Qms Minolta Propage 91002 Message-ID: <c3s3ub$gcg$1@news-reader4.wanadoo.fr>   Brian Tillman wrote: > labadie wrote: >  > D >>This printer prints fine ansi files with telnetsym on port 35 (!),D >>but I would like to use it to replace a Dec Laser 5100 that prints$ >>Multichrom files with Dcps ... 1.5 >>$ >>The Multichrom files are typically: >>sequential, variable length, mrs 4460, LRL 696, carriage >>return carriage F >>control, and contains some escape codes (e.g. 0m0w) and some (Pcl ?)( >>code (that draws graphs), for example: >>!120?CFCC!?EDD!3C??@E  >>C >>This is why I wanted to use this very model of printer with Dcps.  >  > G > I'd be surprised to no end if this printer handles PCL.  With a Crown 3 > controller, its native language is probably QUIC.  Thanks.   > I will check on monday, when I will be at the customer's site.   regards    Gerard   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:16:01 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> # Subject: Re: DECwindows: BDF vs PCF 1 Message-ID: <lnj8c.1595$iz2.384@news.cpqcorp.net>   7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:4060A515.6F99A713@istop.com...  > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:H > > When we ported VMS to Alpha, I argued that we should abandon the VAX serverJ > > base and port the then current MIT reference implementation - which we did. > K > So, if the move to .PCF was made in the very very early days of Alpha, at  a J > time when VAX wasn't yet abandonned, how come this wasn't also aplied to VAX ? H > At the time, VAX was still getting plenty of development work done. It even' > got a new queue manager before Alpha.   D Because the code bases were completely different.  Nor was there anyG pressing need to do *anything*.  _All_ the bitmap fonts used BDF as the K source format.  So you take the font in BDF to the VAX and compile it.  You I can take the font to Alpha and use it directly, *or* convert it to a more & efficient format.  What's the problem?  G The problem only occurs when you don't have the font source and you are D trying to move it from one system to another - in which case you areF probably violating the license agreement from the font foundry anyway.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:41:52 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>0 Subject: Re: EUR 500,000,000 fine for Micro$oft.2 Message-ID: <c3sa8t$hgs$1@news5.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   JF Mezei wrote: M > The Euro competition comissioner should release the details of MS's slap on  > the wrist today. > ( > I heard upwards of $700,000,000 (US).   N It is a bit less actualy.  497,000,000 (if you have a VMS newsreader you can 7 see that  = the Euro sign), and  1 = US$ 1.23 (about)     ( This may not be pocket change for Gates,* > but probably just ATM widthdrawal money. > N > However, the real thing here is that Europe is expected to not only force MSM > to unbundle software such as media player, but also make available certains  > parts of Windows source/api. > K > "Making available" means that it becomes worldwide distribution since therP > internet prevents distribution of such materials from being limited to a given > geographical area. > K > Of course, Microsoft annoucned it would appeal the ruling even before the9W > ruling is to be made, and hopes to delay implementation of punishement by many years.4 > L > It will be interesting to see how MS decides to handle the distribution of: > windows if varous countries impose various restrictions. > M > I suspect that its gut reaction would be to continue to use its monopoly asiP > much as possible in countries such as the USA that have refuse dto impose realL > restrictions, and generate a different "version" of windows for each otherO > country that has varying limitations. This also means that MS will be able toaP > set whatever price it wants for each separate country since it will be able to' > argue they are all separate products.0   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:34:49 -0500I( From: "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail.com> Subject: Re: F$FID_TO_NAME, Message-ID: <4061aaa6$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messages# news:4060A891.20A7DDC5@istop.com...fK > I think that this function alone is "interesting". But what would be evenn moreL > interesting would be to make ODS/RMS enhancements to allow name-less files	 to exist.E  E Nameless file are perfectly valid and fully supported by RMS already. . You create them by using FAB$L_FOP = FAB$M_TMP  I You use them by hooking up a NAM block and filling in its FID fields, andV set FAB$V_NAM in FOP  I More support is desireable though. I'm exchanging ideas with Guy on this.o? The biggest missing piece is SET FILE/ENT=new-name [id,seq,rvn]e2 I submitted a workaround for that to the freeware:C http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware50/rms_tools/src/enter.ct  E It would perhaps be 'nice' to have file-id support in backup, delete,7 copy.... under investigation.e    K > Woudln't this make accessing the data far faster if you skipped the wholecK > "traverse directory tree to get to the .dir file that contains a filenameL to fid conversion" bit ?  E Yes but I suspect you'll be dissapointed at the improvements for just  accessing the file.e@ The various XQP (header, pathname,..) caches perform a fine job.J You will however speed up create and delete time by avoiding the very real disk io needed for that.  K > You'd need to add some sort of a flag in indexF to indicate that the filem has 5 > no name so that ana/disk wouldn't find fault in it.y  ) It can even have a name... in the header.iL If you ever wanted to run ANAL/DISK on a disk for such application you wouldL probably need a subfunction to temproarely create a real directory from yourJ internal list. Do that in alpahbetic order and that wil be fast. After theL analyze, just blow away the whole temporary directory file. Heck, as long asH you create them in order, with short names (using A-Z,0-9), you might asH well have thousand/millions of files in the temp directory already. Just
 never use it!E  H > If one had name-less access to numbered files, wouldn't performance be much: > closer to that of "files" stored as part of a database ?  I For files you still need to go to the header, then to the data, through ac thickish layer. L If you store them as blobs/object in a file, you might need only one access, through a thinner layer.   Hth, Hein.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:43:39 -0500b( From: "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail.com> Subject: Re: F$FID_TO_NAME* Message-ID: <4061acb8@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:b4KNis9zdVPB@eisner.encompasserve.org...M  > > Don't know if this has come up (jumping in late - no time toD > read thread - apologies in advance if this is discussed elsewhere)8 > but will this functionality make it into the directory
 > command?   dir 'f$fid_to_name ...   :-)  L Agreed, it would be nice to have the /FILE_ID argument take an optional data value.I Or, maybe cleaner and easier, add DIR /IDENT=(fid) just like DUMP already  has. You know that right?...I  
 $ cre tmp.tmpc/ $ dir /nohead/notrail/file/widt=file=20 xxx.tmpS! U$1:[HEIN]XXX.TMP;1   (59094,9,0)r+ $ dump/head/bloc=count=0/id=59094 sys$disk:m; Dump of file xxx:[HEIN]XXX.TMP;1 on 24-MAR-2004 10:11:52.93 7 File ID (59094,9,0)   End of file block 0 / Allocated 0 +                             File Header....e  B In the mean time... There for ODS-5, extented file spec pasing no?% Can you not do DIR *[fid,seq,rvn]   ?    hth, Hein.s   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2004 10:14:38 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: F$FID_TO_NAME3 Message-ID: <D2W8cs6IepGL@eisner.encompasserve.org>'  V In article <4060A891.20A7DDC5@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:P > I think that this function alone is "interesting". But what would be even moreV > interesting would be to make ODS/RMS enhancements to allow name-less files to exist.  G Since programmatic access already exists, I'm assuming that what you'reiI asking for is a file name syntax that indicates that no file name exists.e  8 e.g.  USR_DISK:[x,y,z]OPTIONAL_IRRELEVANT_FILE_NAME_HERE  I And the presence of two commas instead of one would serve to disambiguatee. this with the existing [g,u] directory syntax.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2004 09:59:20 -0800. From: alexdaniels@themail.co.uk (Alex Daniels) Subject: Re: F$FID_TO_NAME= Message-ID: <9f7f13a8.0403240959.6972dbe5@posting.google.com>a  b "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com> wrote in message news:<40611e25@usenet01.boi.hp.com>...: > "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:b4KNis9zdVPB@eisner.encompasserve.org...4: > > In article <40609d96@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "Guy Peleg") >  <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com> writes:e4 > > > Thank you all for your enthusiastic responses. > > >lB > > > Looks like the new lexical function is a real crowd pleaser. > > > K > > > So far I have received about 30 responses with requests to field teste >  the > > > new functionality. > > >VK > > > It is hard to answer everybody, apologies if I have not answered your- >  mail. > > > M > > > I'm currently collecting the requests and expect to send the new imagesm >  byj > > > Thursday morning.M > > >s > >D@ > > Don't know if this has come up (jumping in late - no time toF > > read thread - apologies in advance if this is discussed elsewhere): > > but will this functionality make it into the directoryA > > command?  The reason I ask is with XFC it is laborious to use,% > > a program to gain this knowledge:a > >F > > $ dir/file build.com > >o3 > > Directory DISK$LOGICAL:[YOUNGR.FID_TO_FILENAME]6 > >.$ > > BUILD.COM;1          (25936,1,0) > >a > > Total of 1 file.	 > > $ fidc > >e> > >         FID 1.1, utility to find a file name starting from1 > >                    FILE IDENTIFICATION NUMBER  > >n) > >                          (c) 2001, FB. > > / > > _FID, Device Name [default: Current_Disk] >- > >tJ > > _FID, provide File Identification (using mask: xxxxx,xxx,x): 25936,1,0 > >r > >t > >  > >r5 > > %FID-S-OK, using FID: (25936,1,0),  file name is: < > > DISK$NAME:[USERS.SITE.YOUNGR.FID_TO_FILENAME]BUILD.COM;1 > >e  > > What would be nice would be: > >m/ > > $ directory/fid_to_name  sys$disk 25936,1,0R > >i< > > DISK$NAME:[USERS.SITE.YOUNGR.FID_TO_FILENAME]BUILD.COM;1 > >6D > > Not necessary of course, but a little less cumbersome stuff into > > a lexical. > >f > >  > > Rob  > >r > >o >  > K > I just had some mail exchange about this with RMS engineering. We will be, > looking at this soon.i, > Other utilities might be modified as well. >    Backup could do with this..t  C %BACKUP-I-DELETE, error deleting DISK$AAAAAA: file ID (27994,315,0)eA -SYSTEM-E-NODELJNLACT, cannot delete file while journaling activea   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:04:46 +0100e' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>e! Subject: Re: FTP UPPERCASE files.l2 Message-ID: <4061411E.2010005@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>  	 MB wrote:n > Is this a bug? >  > Going from VMS to Tru64.
 > FTP> statuse > Local client's status: > Connected to: UNX1 > VMS Plus mode disabledB > Mode = stream , Type = ascii, Form = non_print, Structure = file > Error level is SUCCESS > Reply display is onh > Parsing is off > Prompting is off > Port command is on7 > Case: Filenames will be transferred in uppercase <<<<hH I think this is only valid for mput (this is what my TCPIP5.4 FTP client	 tells me)w   >  > FTP> PUT DOG.TXTM > local: DGA1:[LOGS]DOG.TXT;1  remote: dog.txt <<<< WHY IS THIS IN lowercase?t7 > 47 bytes sent in 00:00:00.00 seconds (45.89 Kbytes/s)l To get it in upper case use:    FTP> PUT DOG.TXT "DOG.TXT"-                   Jouk   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2004 06:26:21 -08001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)0Y Subject: HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of Veteran Affairs-(Open3< Message-ID: <857e9e41.0403240626.4017bc3@posting.google.com>  A PALO ALTO, Calif., Mar 24, 2004 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- HP (HPQ) (HPQ)IA today announced that it has been awarded a ten year, $784 million C contract by the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) for Engineeringa@ Support Services and Maintenance of the VistA Health Information@ Systems. Under the VistA Maintenance and Expertise Center (VMEC)A contract, HP Services will provide support and maintenance to thetC mission critical VistA systems, helping the VA deliver vital health & care data across the VA's 21 networks.  gE The Veterans Health Administration (VHA) operates 170 medical centers-D throughout the United States, Puerto Rico, and the Philippines. MoreE than 4.5 million people received care in VA health care facilities inm< 2002 and more than 6.8 million people are enrolled in the VAF healthcare system. The unprecedented growth in medical system workload= has reinforced the VA's need for an adaptive environment thatwF facilitates the seamless flow and availability of critical data across
 its networks.     A "HP is honored to have been selected by the VA to provide missiondA critical support to the clinicians and IRM personnel dedicated toi> serving our nation's veterans," said Tom Iannotti, senior viceE president and general manager, Consulting & Integration, HP Services.dD "The VA's teamwork, combined with HP's Adaptive Enterprise strategy,E has resulted in VistA being recognized as one of the premier hospitald" information systems in the world."  A The VA's VistA solution is implemented at all VA medical centers.yF VistA provides automation and record keeping for almost every clinicalA and administrative office and function in the VA through the manyrC custom integrated software modules running from a single integratedCD database at individual medical or regional computing centers. The VAC continues to demand more access, speed, manageability, scalability, D and high availability from the systems on which it implements VistA.  ! A strong record of collaboration l  F HP has been an infrastructure, consulting and services provider to theE VA since 1983 through its work on the Decentralized Hospital Computer C Program (DHCP) and Enhanced Decentralized Hospital Computer ProgramrE (EDHCP) contracts. Over time, HP and the VA have collaborated closelyiC to continually evolve the VA's IT environment and have successfullyuA deployed HP's OpenVMS clusters on AlphaServer systems to build antD adaptive environment that has increased performance, utilizes 64-bitF architecture and has enhanced reliability and up-time. As part of thisE latest agreement, HP takes responsibility for maintenance and supportx> for all hardware and software products that comprise the VistA	 solution.t    D "The HP team has worked closely with VA over the last 20 years as VAC has grown VistA from three core applications to a single integratedsF system which services over 100 clinical and administrative functions,"A said a VA representative. "We look forward to teaming with the HP A architects, engineers, and service teams as we continue to ensureyE VistA provides world class automation for veterans healthcare needs.")  B HP has also worked with the VA in other areas related to the VistAE solution, using technology to improve patient care. This includes ther@ implementation of BCMA (Bar-Code Medication Administration), MAFE (Mumps Audio-Fax), automated patient information and interaction, andd VistA Imaging.  E Information about VistA is available at www.va.gov/vista_monograph/. t  	 About HP o  B HP is a technology solutions provider to consumers, businesses andF institutions globally. The company's offerings span IT infrastructure,F personal computing and access devices, global services and imaging andA printing. For the fiscal year ending on Oct. 31, 2003, HP revenueE@ totaled $73.1 billion. More information about HP is available at www.hp.com.U  E The information contained herein is subject to change without notice. E The only warranties for HP products and services are set forth in thelD express warranty statements accompanying such products and services.@ Nothing herein should be construed as constituting an additionalE warranty. HP shall not be liable for technical or editorial errors or> omissions contained herein.,   SOURCE: HP r   HP Brad Bass, 240-744-8119o brad.bass@hp.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:59:04 -0500i* From: "Brian Tillman" <tillmabg@yahoo.com>Y Subject: RE: HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of Veteran Affairs-(s' Message-ID: <0130A5BA.C22236@yahoo.com>t   Sue Skonetski wrote:  C > PALO ALTO, Calif., Mar 24, 2004 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- HP (HPQ) (HPQ)0  J We really don't need to see the same announcement multiple times.  Thanks. -- u
 Brian Tillman/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:05:43 -0500:' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>aY Subject: RE: HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of Veteran Affairs-(eR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB2C68E2@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----= > From: Sue Skonetski [mailto:susan_skonetski@hotmail.com]=20? > Sent: March 24, 2004 9:26 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComN: > Subject: HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract by=202 > Department of Veteran Affairs-(OpenVMS Clusters) >=20@ > PALO ALTO, Calif., Mar 24, 2004 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- HP (HPQ)=20? > (HPQ) today announced that it has been awarded a ten year,=20n@ > $784 million contract by the Department of Veterans Affairs=20A > (VA) for Engineering Support Services and Maintenance of the=20lB > VistA Health Information Systems. Under the VistA Maintenance=20; > and Expertise Center (VMEC) contract, HP Services will=200B > provide support and maintenance to the mission critical VistA=20B > systems, helping the VA deliver vital health care data across=20 > the VA's 21 networks.0 > =20U  	 ..snip ..n   >=20; > HP has been an infrastructure, consulting and services=20a: > provider to the VA since 1983 through its work on the=20@ > Decentralized Hospital Computer Program (DHCP) and Enhanced=20) > Decentralized Hospital Computer ProgrameB > (EDHCP) contracts. Over time, HP and the VA have collaborated=20> > closely to continually evolve the VA's IT environment and=208 > have successfully deployed HP's OpenVMS clusters on=20B > AlphaServer systems to build an adaptive environment that has=20@ > increased performance, utilizes 64-bit architecture and has=20= > enhanced reliability and up-time. As part of this latest=20m; > agreement, HP takes responsibility for maintenance and=20tA > support for all hardware and software products that comprise=20v > the VistA solution.  >=20  H As a fyi, the url for this press release can be found on the external HP Press site at:  9 http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2004/040324a.htmlo   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultante HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477v Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcome. (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:56:25 +0100r From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>Y Subject: Re: HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of Veteran Affairs-(m& Message-ID: <4061BDB9.2050409@home.nl>  N Congratulations once again Sue, this is great news for the OpenVMS team at HP ( (and for us in the group too of course).  J Mike Kear from HP was even quicker announcing this news in the group :-) .  P Some naughty guy at the press office was even able to smuggle the words OpenVMS . and Alphaserver in the announcement! Wooow :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 06:20:31 -0800g# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>wY Subject: RE: HP Awarded 10 year, $784 Million OpenVMS Services Contract by US         Dep 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIAEODCPAA.tom@kednos.com>U  # So is this is a Mumps-based system?o     -----Original Message-----.   From: Mike Kier [mailto:michael.kier@hp.com])   Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 5:41 AMo   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComlH   Subject: HP Awarded 10 year, $784 Million OpenVMS Services Contract by"   US Department of Veteran Affairs    L   HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of Veteran Affairs     03/24/2004 07:45    H   Ten Year Deal to Support and Maintain VistA Health Information Systems6   Builds on 20 Year Relationship between HP and the VAJ   HP (NYSE:HPQ)(Nasdaq:HPQ) today announced that it has been awarded a tenL   year, $784 million contract by the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) forB   Engineering Support Services and Maintenance of the VistA Health
   InformationeL   Systems. Under the VistA Maintenance and Expertise Center (VMEC) contract,J   HP Services will provide support and maintenance to the mission critical>   VistA systems, helping the VA deliver vital health care data   across the VA'se   21 networks.  G   The Veterans Health Administration (VHA) operates 170 medical centersaK   throughout the United States, Puerto Rico, and the Philippines. More thanhK   4.5 million people received care in VA health care facilities in 2002 and L   more than 6.8 million people are enrolled in the VA healthcare system. The@   unprecedented growth in medical system workload has reinforced   the VA's needdD   for an adaptive environment that facilitates the seamless flow and4   availability of critical data across its networks.  L   "HP is honored to have been selected by the VA to provide mission criticalF   support to the clinicians and IRM personnel dedicated to serving ourJ   nation's veterans," said Tom Iannotti, senior vice president and general;   manager, Consulting & Integration, HP Services. "The VA'sa   teamwork, combinedE   with HP's Adaptive Enterprise strategy, has resulted in VistA beingaB   recognized as one of the premier hospital information systems in
   the world."o  I   The VA's VistA solution is implemented at all VA medical centers. VistA F   provides automation and record keeping for almost every clinical andF   administrative office and function in the VA through the many customJ   integrated software modules running from a single integrated database at:   individual medical or regional computing centers. The VA   continues to demand.L   more access, speed, manageability, scalability, and high availability from+   the systems on which it implements VistA..  "   A strong record of collaboration  K   HP has been an infrastructure, consulting and services provider to the VA L   since 1983 through its work on the Decentralized Hospital Computer ProgramE   (DHCP) and Enhanced Decentralized Hospital Computer Program (EDHCP) B   contracts. Over time, HP and the VA have collaborated closely to
   continually>L   evolve the VA's IT environment and have successfully deployed HP's OpenVMSK   clusters on AlphaServer systems to build an adaptive environment that has F   increased performance, utilizes 64-bit architecture and has enhancedE   reliability and up-time. As part of this latest agreement, HP takes J   responsibility for maintenance and support for all hardware and software,   products that comprise the VistA solution.  J   "The HP team has worked closely with VA over the last 20 years as VA hasA   grown VistA from three core applications to a single integrated    system whichE   services over 100 clinical and administrative functions," said a VASE   representative. "We look forward to teaming with the HP architects, L   engineers, and service teams as we continue to ensure VistA provides world2   class automation for veterans healthcare needs."  >   HP has also worked with the VA in other areas related to the   VistA solution,mL   using technology to improve patient care. This includes the implementationF   of BCMA (Bar-Code Medication Administration), MAF (Mumps Audio-Fax),C   automated patient information and interaction, and VistA Imaging.n  F   Information about VistA is available at www.va.gov/vista_monograph/.  
   About HP  D   HP is a technology solutions provider to consumers, businesses andH   institutions globally. The company's offerings span IT infrastructure,H   personal computing and access devices, global services and imaging andK   printing. For the fiscal year ending on Oct. 31, 2003, HP revenue totaledoF   $73.1 billion. More information about HP is available at www.hp.com.  K   The information contained herein is subject to change without notice. TheaK   only warranties for HP products and services are set forth in the expressT>   warranty statements accompanying such products and services.   Nothing herein@   should be construed as constituting an additional warranty. HP   shall not beI   liable for technical or editorial errors or omissions contained herein.n       --   Mike Kiers&   HP Consulting & Integration Services   Cincinnati, OH, USAo   mike.kier@hp.com'   Practice random acts of VMS marketingi       --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B   Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004   ---?& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:54:59 GMTh! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>sY Subject: Re: HP Awarded 10 year, $784 Million OpenVMS Services Contract by US         Deph8 Message-ID: <c5i3601k9db9krkjpam2pkkignev5hhf3l@4ax.com>  H On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 06:20:31 -0800, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote:  $ >So is this is a Mumps-based system?  P There is no MUMPS any more. It's now ANSI standard M. Intersystems have gone one= stage further & describe Cache as a post-relational database.e   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azuru   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:41:02 GMTh' From: "Mike Kier" <michael.kier@hp.com> Y Subject: HP Awarded 10 year, $784 Million OpenVMS Services Contract by US Department of Ve1 Message-ID: <Odg8c.1569$jl2.430@news.cpqcorp.net>a  J HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of Veteran Affairs   03/24/2004 07:45    F Ten Year Deal to Support and Maintain VistA Health Information Systems4 Builds on 20 Year Relationship between HP and the VAH HP (NYSE:HPQ)(Nasdaq:HPQ) today announced that it has been awarded a tenJ year, $784 million contract by the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) forL Engineering Support Services and Maintenance of the VistA Health InformationJ Systems. Under the VistA Maintenance and Expertise Center (VMEC) contract,H HP Services will provide support and maintenance to the mission criticalL VistA systems, helping the VA deliver vital health care data across the VA's 21 networks.  E The Veterans Health Administration (VHA) operates 170 medical centersnI throughout the United States, Puerto Rico, and the Philippines. More than I 4.5 million people received care in VA health care facilities in 2002 andaJ more than 6.8 million people are enrolled in the VA healthcare system. TheL unprecedented growth in medical system workload has reinforced the VA's needB for an adaptive environment that facilitates the seamless flow and2 availability of critical data across its networks.  J "HP is honored to have been selected by the VA to provide mission criticalD support to the clinicians and IRM personnel dedicated to serving ourH nation's veterans," said Tom Iannotti, senior vice president and generalL manager, Consulting & Integration, HP Services. "The VA's teamwork, combinedC with HP's Adaptive Enterprise strategy, has resulted in VistA being L recognized as one of the premier hospital information systems in the world."  G The VA's VistA solution is implemented at all VA medical centers. VistAdD provides automation and record keeping for almost every clinical andD administrative office and function in the VA through the many customH integrated software modules running from a single integrated database atL individual medical or regional computing centers. The VA continues to demandJ more access, speed, manageability, scalability, and high availability from) the systems on which it implements VistA.e    A strong record of collaboration  I HP has been an infrastructure, consulting and services provider to the VA J since 1983 through its work on the Decentralized Hospital Computer ProgramC (DHCP) and Enhanced Decentralized Hospital Computer Program (EDHCP)RL contracts. Over time, HP and the VA have collaborated closely to continuallyJ evolve the VA's IT environment and have successfully deployed HP's OpenVMSI clusters on AlphaServer systems to build an adaptive environment that hasuD increased performance, utilizes 64-bit architecture and has enhancedC reliability and up-time. As part of this latest agreement, HP takespH responsibility for maintenance and support for all hardware and software* products that comprise the VistA solution.  H "The HP team has worked closely with VA over the last 20 years as VA hasL grown VistA from three core applications to a single integrated system whichC services over 100 clinical and administrative functions," said a VA C representative. "We look forward to teaming with the HP architects,uJ engineers, and service teams as we continue to ensure VistA provides world0 class automation for veterans healthcare needs."  L HP has also worked with the VA in other areas related to the VistA solution,J using technology to improve patient care. This includes the implementationD of BCMA (Bar-Code Medication Administration), MAF (Mumps Audio-Fax),A automated patient information and interaction, and VistA Imaging.-  D Information about VistA is available at www.va.gov/vista_monograph/.   About HP  B HP is a technology solutions provider to consumers, businesses andF institutions globally. The company's offerings span IT infrastructure,F personal computing and access devices, global services and imaging andI printing. For the fiscal year ending on Oct. 31, 2003, HP revenue totaled D $73.1 billion. More information about HP is available at www.hp.com.  I The information contained herein is subject to change without notice. The8I only warranties for HP products and services are set forth in the express K warranty statements accompanying such products and services. Nothing hereinuK should be construed as constituting an additional warranty. HP shall not belG liable for technical or editorial errors or omissions contained herein.      -- t	 Mike Kiere$ HP Consulting & Integration Services Cincinnati, OH, USAe mike.kier@hp.com% Practice random acts of VMS marketing    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:32:50 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> Y Subject: Re: HP Awarded 10 year, $784 Million OpenVMS Services Contract by US Department aG Message-ID: <6Dj8c.24941$WxP.4155@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>m  2 "Mike Kier" <michael.kier@hp.com> wrote in message+ news:Odg8c.1569$jl2.430@news.cpqcorp.net... L > HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of Veteran Affairs >b > 03/24/2004 07:45 >L >6H > Ten Year Deal to Support and Maintain VistA Health Information Systems6 > Builds on 20 Year Relationship between HP and the VAJ > HP (NYSE:HPQ)(Nasdaq:HPQ) today announced that it has been awarded a tenL > year, $784 million contract by the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) forB > Engineering Support Services and Maintenance of the VistA Health Information@L > Systems. Under the VistA Maintenance and Expertise Center (VMEC) contract,J > HP Services will provide support and maintenance to the mission criticalI > VistA systems, helping the VA deliver vital health care data across thet VA's > 21 networks. >0G > The Veterans Health Administration (VHA) operates 170 medical centersfK > throughout the United States, Puerto Rico, and the Philippines. More thaneK > 4.5 million people received care in VA health care facilities in 2002 andnL > more than 6.8 million people are enrolled in the VA healthcare system. TheI > unprecedented growth in medical system workload has reinforced the VA'ss needD > for an adaptive environment that facilitates the seamless flow and4 > availability of critical data across its networks. > L > "HP is honored to have been selected by the VA to provide mission criticalF > support to the clinicians and IRM personnel dedicated to serving ourJ > nation's veterans," said Tom Iannotti, senior vice president and generalE > manager, Consulting & Integration, HP Services. "The VA's teamwork,i combinedE > with HP's Adaptive Enterprise strategy, has resulted in VistA being F > recognized as one of the premier hospital information systems in the world."1 > I > The VA's VistA solution is implemented at all VA medical centers. VistAsF > provides automation and record keeping for almost every clinical andF > administrative office and function in the VA through the many customJ > integrated software modules running from a single integrated database atG > individual medical or regional computing centers. The VA continues toe demandL > more access, speed, manageability, scalability, and high availability from+ > the systems on which it implements VistA.o >y" > A strong record of collaboration >.K > HP has been an infrastructure, consulting and services provider to the VA L > since 1983 through its work on the Decentralized Hospital Computer ProgramE > (DHCP) and Enhanced Decentralized Hospital Computer Program (EDHCP)@B > contracts. Over time, HP and the VA have collaborated closely to continuallyeL > evolve the VA's IT environment and have successfully deployed HP's OpenVMSK > clusters on AlphaServer systems to build an adaptive environment that hasdF > increased performance, utilizes 64-bit architecture and has enhancedE > reliability and up-time. As part of this latest agreement, HP takeshJ > responsibility for maintenance and support for all hardware and software, > products that comprise the VistA solution. >gJ > "The HP team has worked closely with VA over the last 20 years as VA hasH > grown VistA from three core applications to a single integrated system whicheE > services over 100 clinical and administrative functions," said a VAaE > representative. "We look forward to teaming with the HP architects,iL > engineers, and service teams as we continue to ensure VistA provides world2 > class automation for veterans healthcare needs." >hD > HP has also worked with the VA in other areas related to the VistA	 solution, L > using technology to improve patient care. This includes the implementationF > of BCMA (Bar-Code Medication Administration), MAF (Mumps Audio-Fax),C > automated patient information and interaction, and VistA Imaging.M > F > Information about VistA is available at www.va.gov/vista_monograph/. >D
 > About HP >@D > HP is a technology solutions provider to consumers, businesses andH > institutions globally. The company's offerings span IT infrastructure,H > personal computing and access devices, global services and imaging andK > printing. For the fiscal year ending on Oct. 31, 2003, HP revenue totaled F > $73.1 billion. More information about HP is available at www.hp.com. >aK > The information contained herein is subject to change without notice. ThenK > only warranties for HP products and services are set forth in the expresseF > warranty statements accompanying such products and services. Nothing hereinJ > should be construed as constituting an additional warranty. HP shall not beI > liable for technical or editorial errors or omissions contained herein.i    L So will it continue to remain on VMS or does the announcement merely mention  what it is currently running on?    ' > Practice random acts of VMS marketingl  ; Marketing is more than the regurgitating of press releases.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:17:47 +0100w From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>Y Subject: Re: HP Awarded 10 year, $784 Million OpenVMS Services Contract by US Department o& Message-ID: <4061988B.2090803@home.nl>  P Congratulations Mike, Sue, Fred, Kerry, Hoff, and all the others in the OpenVMS  team !!!   Great news indeed !!!    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:35:58 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl># Subject: Re: infantile hey SM LOVERn2 Message-ID: <c3rdou$igh$1@news4.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>  K So now you have a real choice. A OpenVMS bootcamp in the states, or a BSDM 1/ workshop in the Netherlands. Tantalizing ......i   guilty^ wrote: > infantile hey SM LOVER D > I > This  month, on the meeting of Sunday 28 March the Werfkelder organisesoF > a workshop BDSM for beginners. Most likely it will take place beforeI > the normal starting time. If desired the acquired skills can be broughttG > in practice during the ordinary meeting. On the programme in any caseiC > "bondage" and "whips" stand.	A vast notice follows in the regularaG > invitation for the meeting itself,but we request interested people tob; > send an email in advance. send mail to: guilty@wanadoo.nl # > and of course the date to note:-)i > & > dispraisingly isogram tanystomatous    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2004 03:48:31 -0800 From: Ouk@netscape.net (Ouk)" Subject: ITRC - VMS Patch Database< Message-ID: <a6a0db3.0403240348.4e8432c7@posting.google.com>   Hi,   @ I'm having a few problems using the ITRC site to find the latestB OpenVMS patches for the various versions we run on customer sites.F Apart from the fact that the site appears to have been unavailable forE a good part of the last 48-hours (a 7.3-1 patch search would report asD "System Unavailable" message), some of the information appears to be
 incorrect.  E Does anybody know where I can find a list of released 7.1-2 patches? r  > Also the 7.3 Alpha Master ECO List only contains a list of VAXB patches! I've had to browse the entire patch list and sort through which patches are required.n  C Can't say I'm too happy with the new Email notifications either - IuA had no notification of a new TDF patch released on Friday. RatherrE annoying considering daylight savings changes are due to occur in they UK this weekend.   Bah!   Ouk.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:09:10 +0100t" From: labadie <labadie_g@decus.fr>& Subject: Re: ITRC - VMS Patch Database2 Message-ID: <c3sc8s$5js$1@news-reader1.wanadoo.fr>  
 Ouk wrote: > Hi,n > B > I'm having a few problems using the ITRC site to find the latestD > OpenVMS patches for the various versions we run on customer sites.H > Apart from the fact that the site appears to have been unavailable forG > a good part of the last 48-hours (a 7.3-1 patch search would report a F > "System Unavailable" message), some of the information appears to be > incorrect. > G > Does anybody know where I can find a list of released 7.1-2 patches? a > @ > Also the 7.3 Alpha Master ECO List only contains a list of VAXD > patches! I've had to browse the entire patch list and sort through > which patches are required.j > E > Can't say I'm too happy with the new Email notifications either - IYC > had no notification of a new TDF patch released on Friday. Rather@G > annoying considering daylight savings changes are due to occur in the  > UK this weekend. >  > Bah! >  > Ouk.0 me too, I can't say that I am fully satisfied...  9 I have emailed the ITRC, and has been given a log number.mF My problem: on monday I went to a customer's site for an upgrade from E 7.1 to 7.3-2, and downloaded all the patches for 7.3-2 in a zip file. ) I had pcsi V1, Dcl V1, sys V1 and update.D  E after the upgrade in Vms 7.3-2, I applied the patches one by one and hI rebooted each time, and of course, after applying sys V1, the boot hang,  . as detailed in the releases notes of sys V2...  G I am convinced this problem has been known to HP for a moment, and the 9H patch sys V1 was still available, whle it should have been on hold. The   patch sys V2 appeared on Monday.   regards    Gerard   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2004 01:18:35 -0800 From: klaser@gmx.de (klaser), Subject: Re: JBoss 3.2.3 on OpenVMS 7.3-1???= Message-ID: <c82a0e9d.0403240118.3699a768@posting.google.com>A   Hi,    thaks for reply.    v koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<Rsp0tYrg2EmI@eisner.encompasserve.org>...^ > In article <c82a0e9d.0403230517.58c97424@posting.google.com>, klaser@gmx.de (klaser) writes: > > Hello, O > > G > > I try to running JBoss 3.2.3 on OpenVMS 7.3-1 with J2SDK 1.4.2-03. cJ > > Unfortunately some services like: AXIS/Tomcat Service etc. will be not > > started 6 > > I get allways ClassNotFoundException (see below).  > > J > > I know that OpenVMS does not like the unix style directory names like: >  >    Not so, see below.i >  > > - jboss-net.sar  > > - jbossweb-tomcat41.sar 6 > > during unzip OpenVMS create following directories  > > -> jboss-net_sar.DIR 0" > > -> jbossweb-tomcat41_sar.DIR.  > H >    The above depends on whether you're using ODS-5 or not, and whetherJ >    you have a version of UNZIP that knows that those directory names areD >    OK with ODS-5.  I never saw the point of running Java on ODS-2.A >    If you are using ODS-5, rename them to what they started as.n >   + I'm using OSD-5 and parse style: extended. u9 During unzip OpenVMS creates directories with _ instead ._  F If I rename all these _ to ^. than Jboss can't find these directories.? I have one error only :-) but all my modules (directories whichl? contains ^.sar) will be not found and not loaded by Jboss???!!!i  @ > > java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: No ClassLoaders found for:) > > org.jboss.net.axis.server.AxisServicel > B >    Look through JAVA$CLASSPATH, if it's defined, or CLASSPATH ifG >    JAVA$CLASSPATH is not defined, and make sure you can find a ZIP or H >    JAR file which contrains org.jboss.net.axis.server.AxisService, and* >    that the file is in stream-LF format. > I >    Usually when I run into this the file is there, but I have to changei! >    the attributes to stream-LF.   E The classpath will (must) be set automatically by Jboss if it will be ? started (JBoss on Windows and Linux has no problems to find the  libraries).e  . All jar - files have record format: Stream_LF.     Any idea???  regards  klaser   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2004 07:30:12 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) , Subject: Re: JBoss 3.2.3 on OpenVMS 7.3-1???3 Message-ID: <RgNAMAmKvVED@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <c82a0e9d.0403240118.3699a768@posting.google.com>, klaser@gmx.de (klaser) writes:- > I'm using OSD-5 and parse style: extended. r; > During unzip OpenVMS creates directories with _ instead .   9    You have an out of dat unzip, which is assuming ODS-2.e  H > If I rename all these _ to ^. than Jboss can't find these directories.A > I have one error only :-) but all my modules (directories whichAA > contains ^.sar) will be not found and not loaded by Jboss???!!!s  <    You may have some logical names which are set to do ODS-2>    compatability.  Some of these are DECC$* names and some are;    JAVA$* names.  Look in the C RTL and Java Release Notes.t   > 0 > All jar - files have record format: Stream_LF.  F    Use the jar utility to get a listing of the files and make sure theF    missing class is in one of them.  Count how many jar files you haveE    to open and make sure your FILLM is much larger than that, as well0!    as the system's MAXCHANNELCNT.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:00:53 +010043 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> & Subject: Re: Multihead ATI Radeon 7500: Message-ID: <c3sj0g$2bna2l$2@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>  - On 2004-03-23 19:09, "Fred Kleinsorge" wrote:r  
 [DVI support]i  L > It's already in there for the existing releases - at least for single headK > (I think we have it working for multi-head as well, but haven't checked).iM > Just make sure that the DVI port is connected when you power up.  CurrentlymK > the VGA and DVI ports should be programmed to output the same thing.  TheTH > card supports the ability to split the interfaces and run them sort-ofM > independently (half the bandwidth, less offscreen resources, etc) - that weu > haven't finished up yet.  ; Thanks for the info -- I must have missed the announcement.-  L > I run the Radeon connected to a Compaq 1825 via the DVI port all the time.  > I'm thinking of a NEC MultiSync LCD 2080 UX+ (1600x1200px) ...   Michaele   -- t; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers.4@ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system.a5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.e   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2004 10:32:11 -0800- From: elementyl@hotmail.com (James Wilkinson)m& Subject: Re: Multihead ATI Radeon 7500= Message-ID: <e2ac4c66.0403241032.1993244e@posting.google.com>a  F Tried it out this morning with with the latest GRAPHICS patch and haveD it working with the Xinerama server extension and two screens.  LookE forward to using both ports someday, we sometimes have requests for 8g or even more screens.    Jamesc   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:27:35 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>p& Subject: Re: Multihead ATI Radeon 75001 Message-ID: <rqk8c.1614$DA2.595@news.cpqcorp.net>   G Let us know if it works... we only have the Compaq 1280x1024 LCD's hereaG (well, there *is* the 2048 x 2048 LCD screen -- but I don't have one of 4 those babies here, and it is a specialized 2D card).  @ "Michael Unger" <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message4 news:c3sj0g$2bna2l$2@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de.../ > On 2004-03-23 19:09, "Fred Kleinsorge" wrote:  >  > [DVI support]C >uI > > It's already in there for the existing releases - at least for singleA headC > > (I think we have it working for multi-head as well, but haven't 	 checked).iD > > Just make sure that the DVI port is connected when you power up.	 CurrentlypH > > the VGA and DVI ports should be programmed to output the same thing. TheiJ > > card supports the ability to split the interfaces and run them sort-ofL > > independently (half the bandwidth, less offscreen resources, etc) - that we > > haven't finished up yet. >m= > Thanks for the info -- I must have missed the announcement.n >oH > > I run the Radeon connected to a Compaq 1825 via the DVI port all the time.s >s@ > I'm thinking of a NEC MultiSync LCD 2080 UX+ (1600x1200px) ... > 	 > Michaele >n > -- t= > Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. B > Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityC > Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system.o7 > My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.l >    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2004 23:43:53 -0800 From: mb301@hotmail.com (MB) Subject: Re: Quick UCX questiona= Message-ID: <1d08b916.0403232343.43ea9f8c@posting.google.com>e  [ Adrian Birkett <aaa@notreallyhere.com> wrote in message news:<c3pl3g$obm$1@lore.csc.com>...e > Hi,t > @ > Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.2 - ECO 29 > on a AlphaServer 4X00 5/300 2MB running OpenVMS V7.1-2   > B > I am having problems with proxy access onto the above system. A H > procedure requires proxy access to this box to perform an RSH command : > under the remote username but keeps getting the message:@ >     %RSH-E-FAILED, UCX$RSHD - Permission denied - host IP addr > J > when the command is executed. The command procedure doesn't specify the E > /PASS qualifier in the command line as it is relying on this proxy.P > G > I have added a proxy for myself and get the same message. I also get:sG >     INTERnet ACP RSH Reject Request - remote IP address not in proxy n > cache - from Host::c >  > on the console.M > K > Obviously I'm missing something and I can't find this message documented   > anywhere.n >  > Can someone please assist? > 
 > Regards, >  > Adea      < Do you have ucx proxy, they work rather like a DECnet Proxy.    6 $ ucx add proxy "username" /host=* /remote="username"   A Make sure the username are in lowercase, or it will not match up.i   Regards    Mark   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:00:27 +0000 , From: Adrian Birkett <aaa@notreallyhere.com> Subject: Re: Quick UCX question.' Message-ID: <c3rpud$gt5$1@lore.csc.com>e  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------0304030002030905070009099 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowedp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit.      	 MB wrote:s  \ >Adrian Birkett <aaa@notreallyhere.com> wrote in message news:<c3pl3g$obm$1@lore.csc.com>... >  d >r >>Hi,o >>@ >>Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.2 - ECO 29 >>on a AlphaServer 4X00 5/300 2MB running OpenVMS V7.1-2 - >>B >>I am having problems with proxy access onto the above system. A H >>procedure requires proxy access to this box to perform an RSH command : >>under the remote username but keeps getting the message:@ >>    %RSH-E-FAILED, UCX$RSHD - Permission denied - host IP addr >>J >>when the command is executed. The command procedure doesn't specify the E >>/PASS qualifier in the command line as it is relying on this proxy.  >>G >>I have added a proxy for myself and get the same message. I also get:rG >>    INTERnet ACP RSH Reject Request - remote IP address not in proxy i >>cache - from Host::  >> >>on the console.f >>K >>Obviously I'm missing something and I can't find this message documented p >>anywhere.  >> >>Can someone please assist? >>
 >>Regards, >> >>Adeu >>     >> >o >i >o= >Do you have ucx proxy, they work rather like a DECnet Proxy.. >N > 7 >$ ucx add proxy "username" /host=* /remote="username"   >eB >Make sure the username are in lowercase, or it will not match up. >f >Regards >0 >MarkN >    Mark,H  E Thanks for the response. We were under the impression that this node 2D only had one network card. Unfortunately, it has two. The system is F known by auditors as one name but physically by two older names which ! have been merged into one system.e  G Anyway, the existing proxies from two of the names back to itself were iG marked as default. The third, however, wasn't. Removing this entry and iG redefining it as default seems to have done the trick but we will have 09 to wait a while before the end user can actually test it.    Regards,   Adea  & --------------030403000203090507000909) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-asciio Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitp  ? <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">t <html> <head>I   <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1">    <title></title>l </head> ' <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">c <br> <br>
 MB wrote:<br>n <blockquote type="cite"h;  cite="mid1d08b916.0403232343.43ea9f8c@posting.google.com">   <pre wrap="">Adrian Birkett <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:aaa@notreallyhere.com">&lt;aaa@notreallyhere.com&gt;</a> wrote in message news:<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:c3pl3g$obm$1@lore.csc.com">&lt;c3pl3g$obm$1@lore.csc.com&gt;</a>...   </pre>   <blockquote type="cite">     <pre wrap="">Hi,  > Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.2 - ECO 27 on a AlphaServer 4X00 5/300 2MB running OpenVMS V7.1-2    @ I am having problems with proxy access onto the above system. A F procedure requires proxy access to this box to perform an RSH command 8 under the remote username but keeps getting the message:>     %RSH-E-FAILED, UCX$RSHD - Permission denied - host IP addr  H when the command is executed. The command procedure doesn't specify the C /PASS qualifier in the command line as it is relying on this proxy.@  E I have added a proxy for myself and get the same message. I also get:eE     INTERnet ACP RSH Reject Request - remote IP address not in proxy   cache - from Host::k   on the console.n  I Obviously I'm missing something and I can't find this message documented t	 anywhere.h   Can someone please assist?   Regards,   Adem
     </pre>   </blockquote>-   <pre wrap=""><!---->    < Do you have ucx proxy, they work rather like a DECnet Proxy.    6 $ ucx add proxy "username" /host=* /remote="username"   A Make sure the username are in lowercase, or it will not match up.J   RegardsA  
 Mark</pre>
 </blockquote>h <br>	 Mark,<br>e <br>D Thanks for the response. We were under the impression that this nodeC only had one network card. Unfortunately, it has two. The system isoE known by auditors as one name but physically by two older names which % have been merged into one system.<br>f <br>F Anyway, the existing proxies from two of the names back to itself wereF marked as default. The third, however, wasn't. Removing this entry andF redefining it as default seems to have done the trick but we will have= to wait a while before the end user can actually test it.<br>o <br> Regards,<br> <br> Ade<br>d </body>  </html>7  ( --------------030403000203090507000909--   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2004 07:31:11 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)s0 Subject: Re: reading VMS backups on UNIX -- HELP3 Message-ID: <ndof7i+jtDrL@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  A In article <m2brmnqq9e.fsf@adagio.mit.edu>, vanni@mit.edu writes:a > 8 > Yes, f4 is a UNIX file (OSF1 windsurf V4.0 1229 alpha)2 > that I extracted from a tape with the DD command( >      (dd if=/dev/nrmt0h of=f4 bs=8192)  5    There's a very good chance that 8192 is too small..   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:16:18 +0100   From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com># Subject: Re: Runnigng with the BorgT, Message-ID: <c3rjl1$u5f$1@news.cybercity.dk>   JF Mezei wrote:c > Bob Koehler wrote:F >>    IMHO when I _have_ to run Windoze, I'd rather give someone else:B >>    Micky, Carly, ... (anybody but Billy) the money for the box.7 >>    Fortunately I don't have to do so on my own dime.t >l) > In a way, this is similar to VMS today.n > C > Many shops will run any application they can on Unix/Windows, andn? > only those that they _have_ to run on VMS will run on the fewo > remaining boxes running VMS. >oE > So, when you have a Mac with a windows emulator, you only run those E > apps that you absolutely must run on Windows. But the vast majorityy5 > of your budget will go towards buying MAC software.s >p  F This is also true if you replace "Mac" with "Linux", where Win4Lin andK CrossOver/Wine do a credible job for lots of applications.  Since these arenK essentially native, they do it rather more quickly than software emulation.mG I understand the emulation is only just bearable on the Mac.  VMWare isiJ another very good application for a VM for the Windoze environment. VMWare is pretty cool by the way.  L I tried and liked Xandros 2.0, however I just have been playing with it in aK VMWare virtual machine under Win2K, rather than having it as my host OS.  IcJ have just too many programs that are windows without Linux equivalents for it to be otherwise..  	 Dr. Dweeba  G > This means that you generate far fewer sales for windows software. IfOG > everyone did that, then windows software sales would start to go downv= > and more and more ISVs would target MACs instead of wintel.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:54:56 GMTe! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>c# Subject: Re: Runnigng with the Borga8 Message-ID: <q803605eh034lupneadk2iuj2vldj2cc0j@4ax.com>  E On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:16:18 +0100, "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com> wrote:r  G >This is also true if you replace "Mac" with "Linux", where Win4Lin and L >CrossOver/Wine do a credible job for lots of applications.  Since these areL >essentially native, they do it rather more quickly than software emulation.H >I understand the emulation is only just bearable on the Mac.  VMWare isK >another very good application for a VM for the Windoze environment. VMWaren >is pretty cool by the way.  >cM >I tried and liked Xandros 2.0, however I just have been playing with it in aaL >VMWare virtual machine under Win2K, rather than having it as my host OS.  IK >have just too many programs that are windows without Linux equivalents for  >it to be otherwise..f  B You can run VMware on Linux & host Windows on the virtual machine.   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azurs   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:35:48 +0100m  From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com># Subject: Re: Runnigng with the Borgc- Message-ID: <c3s2rk$1bck$1@news.cybercity.dk>l   Nigel Barker wrote:nG > On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:16:18 +0100, "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com> wrote:a >eE >> This is also true if you replace "Mac" with "Linux", where Win4Lin3A >> and CrossOver/Wine do a credible job for lots of applications.uE >> Since these are essentially native, they do it rather more quicklyiC >> than software emulation. I understand the emulation is only justoF >> bearable on the Mac.  VMWare is another very good application for aD >> VM for the Windoze environment. VMWare is pretty cool by the way. >>G >> I tried and liked Xandros 2.0, however I just have been playing withbG >> it in a VMWare virtual machine under Win2K, rather than having it as F >> my host OS.  I have just too many programs that are windows without- >> Linux equivalents for it to be otherwise..o >cD > You can run VMware on Linux & host Windows on the virtual machine.  I Yes I know, but I have dual S-ATA drives and I want them RAID-1 for boot.:? Simple in Win2K, not so simple in Linux (impossible I believe).   E That is one of the reasons I am sticking with W2K for the time being.(  
 Dr. Dweeb.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:33:52 +01004* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>" Subject: Re: Running with the Borg: Message-ID: <c3s9p0$2b16h6$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   Bob Koehler wrote:i > In article <c3p3gv$28mtf5$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:d >  > J >>I can file my tax return online nowadays. Dead easy they say. Ha! As if K >>I would! Add to that, sorry no Mac version available yet. They assure us MI >>the software they supply is secure, and it probably is. The problem is t >>what it runs on. >  > ) >    TurboTax for Macintosh.  Good stuff.  >   E No Swiss version I'm afraid. Given the complexity of different taxes mG according to Canton and multilingual requirements, I can't say I blame i	 them. :-)M   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:19:23 -0500@' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>l% Subject: RE: Securing files under VMSVR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB2C68E5@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----+ > From: Roy Omond [mailto:Roy@Omond.net]=20  > Sent: March 23, 2004 8:58 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn' > Subject: Re: Securing files under VMSc >=20 > John Smith wrote:r >=20B > > I'd be interested in hearing about methods other than ACL's=20 > which are=203 > > used in VMS shops for securing access to files.p > >=20@ > > There are many applications where really secure access to=20 > information=20@ > > is required...military, intelligence, medical, financial,=20 > etc..... and=20 @ > > I'm looking for thoughts on approaches to security beyond=20 > ACL's in a=20  > > VMS environment. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > I came across this today:e? > > http://www.neoscale.com/English/Products/CryptoStor_FC.htmlt > >=20@ > > Is anyone using anything like this in their VMS environment? >=20@ > Suprised nobody's mentioned this before, but you might like=20? > to take a look at CDSA (Common Data Security Architecture)=20t@ > which is included in VMS 7.3-2, and back portable to VS 7.2-2. >=20@ > It's open source (see http://sourceforge.net/projects/cdsa)=20@ > and despite at first appearing to be rather daunting, might=20% > be exactly what you're looking for.n >=20 > Roy Omondt > Blue Bubble Ltd. >=20  F As an additional reference, here is pointer to VMS security home site,* which includes pointers to the CDSA doc`s:  / http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/security.htmld   Regardst  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultanty HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660l Fax: 613-591-4477d Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcomt. (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2004 01:04:12 -0800. From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk (Martin Kirby)( Subject: Re: Server hang - compute bound< Message-ID: <224291b.0403240104.1a2c3c95@posting.google.com>  0 Addresses found using SHOW PROC/CONT are useful.  F To get stacks I meant using ANA/SYS. I find, others may have differentF approaches, it useful to have another terminal window from which I canF suspend and resume the looping process. That way can get a snapshot ofD the stack. After a few of these it is usually clear where the stacksC are common and therefore in which procedure the process is looping.tB When you look at the stack of a suspended process the first two (IE think) frames are in PROCESS functions to do with the suspension - sos ignore them.   Martin Kirby   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2004 01:18:58 -0800. From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk (Martin Kirby)( Subject: Re: Server hang - compute bound< Message-ID: <224291b.0403240118.3890844f@posting.google.com>  I > I installed V3.00 of the graphics patch and the problem went away. Thats= > was when I was running OpenVMS V7.3-1 and DECwindows V1.3. e  O Interesting, I wasn't aware that the VMS731_GRAPHICS-V0300 patch was compatiblegO with DECwindows V1.3. DECwindows V1.3 has the X11R6.6 updates to the server anddL the patch kit includes an image that DECwindows V1.3 replaced. I assume PCSIE causes the file from V1.3 to be used and not that from the patch kit.r   Martin Kirby   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:13:25 +0000 (UTC)r6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)( Subject: Re: Server hang - compute bound0 Message-ID: <newscache$ja63vh$kq5$1@news.sil.at>  g In article <a55b951e.0403181040.3944a0a8@posting.google.com>, ultrajoe@spamcop.net (Joe Sewell) writes:o8 >We're running on various Alpha VMS systems, VMS V7.3-2,B >DECwindows/Motif 1.3-1.  We're finding that various applications,E >including Mozilla and our own software, can cause the X server to goaB >100% compute-bound indefinitely, simply by resizing windows.  TheE >action is, of course, intermittent and sporadic, making nailing down3# >the precise cause painful at best.i >oF >Has anyone else seen this?  Is the fix merely to boost the X server's >quotas?   It seems so.  D I so far haven't seen the X11 server going into a COM loop (probablyD because I've high or very high quotas set), but I've seen it hangingE in LEF more often than I like it (usually by clicking buttons or mores@ often browsing through pulldown menus in MOZILLA before the page= displaying isn't really complete). Maybe I'm too impatient...    -- t Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:40:59 +0000uE From: Tim ffrench-Lynch <tim-DOT-ffrench-HYPHEN-lynch@baesystems.com>y Subject: Re: set proc/suspend6. Message-ID: <4061C82B.4085CBCC@baesystems.com>   Tim ffrench-Lynch wrote: > m > Is it normal for processes on a VMS cluster to ignore 'set proc/suspend/id=' and 'set proc/nosuspend/id=' ?c > c > I run processes on very node in the cluster, set at priority zero and highly processor intensive.a >  > I have a priority 3 batch job set to watch the disks and suspend processes before they fill up. Normally I find that if I set this to repeat all suspend/nosuspend operations 10 times maybe only one ori > two jobs out of 13 will not get the message. If repeated 20 times then I usually seem to stop them all.  >  > Today, I can't seem to get any of my processes to respond to 'set proc/nosuspend', even after 100 repeats of the command, still showing as suspended in a 'show sys/cluster/batch'.t    D I thought I'd follow up on this thread just in case anyone else ever- searches Google Groups for a similar problem.a  $ Having a com file along the lines of	   $ loop:o$   $   set proc/nosuspend/id=12345678   $   show sys/batch
   $ goto loopi7 would show the process leaving suspend state, putting an   $ wait 00:00:00.01F before the 'show sys' would show it nine times out of ten back in SUSPF state. Changing the wait time to 0.10 seconds showed it always back in SUSP state.n  C The interesting thing is that I noticed that the process running oniC the node that I was issuing 'set proc/nosuspend' from always seemedaF the most difficult to get running again. Switching to a different nodeE and manually issuing the command a dozen times seems effective when Ir/ had failed from the same node as the batch job.d  D Stopping and starting queues seemed no more effective than using set2 proc/suspend to start and stop processes reliably.   Timy   Time   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:36:55 +0100t* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> Subject: Re: Spam form kerry: Message-ID: <c3s9uo$2b16h6$2@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   Wayne Sewell wrote:m   > : >>...and the dual G5 can blow the doors off of your G4. :) >> > N > Well, *I've* got the Big Ass 23-inch Cinema Display!  So there!  Nyah, nyah! > <loud and juicy raspberry>   d > 
 > :-) :-)  >m   Now you've got me jealous :-)t   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:40:55 GMTa+ From: Steve Fournier <stevef85@hotmail.com>l Subject: Sybase on VMS? Message-ID: <Xns94B65860752FFstevef85hotmailcom@207.69.154.203>r  I i have vms 6.2-1h3 on quad processor alphaserver 4100 running sybase.  i  K want to run more than one engine but i cant keep it running without sybase aJ crashing.  does anyone have this working?  multiple sybase engines on vms?   thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:19:58 +0100h  From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?, Message-ID: <c3rjrt$u76$1@news.cybercity.dk>   Michael Kraemer wrote: > In articleD > <ZfY7c.29207$5ze.6677@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John! > Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:h >>G >> And HP *still* thinks that ISV applications sell Alpha's and VMS yet B >> they do nothing to help ISV's remain with VMS...the application; >> portfolio cupboard gets emptier and emptier by design...r >>? >> ...HP does none of the 'little' things like advertise VMS to G >> prospective customers, like telling the world in something about VMSaG >> in anything other than a press release which no self-respective newss >> agency will run >> >> >a9 > Well, this particular example is really a niche market.u/ > The real problem dates back to the early 90s,PC > when DEC and VMS lost almost all of the technical and edu market.uF > As some have stated here, there was no longer a compelling reason to > prefer4 > VMS over UNIX in either flavor or, later, Windoze.E > Even if DEC would have been in a better financial condition at thata > time> > it would have been next to impossible to counter the growing > popularity of UNIX. F > Maybe if they had added more UNIXisms to enhance interoperability it > woulds > have slowed down the erosion.T  L They did - Posix. :-)  Unix is a religion and 19 year old undergraduates are8 susceptible to its call.  That DEC did not do a good jobB supporting/keeping/stoking the edu. market just made things worse.  
 Dr. Dweeb.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:22:29 +0100o* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>8 Subject: Re: virtual pc for mac (was Re: Spam form kerry: Message-ID: <c3rui6$2b8ks2$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   Wayne Sewell wrote:a, >>From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> >>X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vmst: >>Subject: Re: virtual pc for mac (was Re: Spam form kerry' >>Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:06:21 +0100e >  >  > J >>I've just looked up my local Apple store (well, couldn't navigate to it  > F >>from there, but Google found it), and see 2 products. One a generic  > H >>Windows product and the other at twice the price fro XP Proefessional. >> >  > N > Crap, I didn't know there was a generic version, i.e. just the emulator, butJ > based on the above, found it with a google search (Virtual PC for Mac -- > Standalone, at 129).   > M > That was what I really wanted, but Fry's didn't have that, just the bundledfO > versions.  The assholes.  I pretty much have to go to Fry's, even though they-M > are 20 miles from where I live, because Best Buy, in their infinite wisdom,M< > doesn't carry mac products no more.  Even bigger assholes. >   E When I said "my local Apple store" I actually meant the online Apple cH Store in my country. I've never bought anything from it so far, but use : it to check product descriptions, prices and availability.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:09:30 +0100l* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>9 Subject: Re: virtual pc for mac (was: Re: Spam form kerrya: Message-ID: <c3s4qq$2aj47h$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   Wayne Sewell wrote:e >>X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsg; >>Subject: Re: virtual pc for mac (was: Re: Spam form kerryi4 >>From: "-Andy-" <see2go4me@spamdelicious.yahoo.com> >>Organization: On a Clear Day >>: >>Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> enlightened us with:  >> >>( >>>According to the manual, you can run: >>>  >>>xp (home or professional) >>>2000 professional >>>millenium	 >>>nt 4.0a >>>98/95/pc-dos3 >>9 >>Back in the Connectix days, before Microsoft swallowed  2 >>them up, it was possible to run a number of non-: >>Microsoft OS's on a Mac using Virtual PC. Not sure what  >>Microsoft might have changed.  >>: >>Check out one person's list of the OS's they managed to  >>get running here:m >>* >>   	http://www.kernelthread.com/mac/vpc/ >> >  >  > L > Wow, that's a pretty long list.  Knowing billy, he probably instructed theN > drones to disable all of them other than his, but it would be interesting toN > try installing one and see if it comes up.  I don't really care about any ofA > those systems, but it might be good for entertainment purposes.  >   D Knowing Billy... the exact details have faded, but when I wanted to B install Win98 on a system containing Linux, no way would it do so G without formatting all disks. Solution: disconenct the disk with Linux tE on it. NT refuses to copy DR-DOS boot disks too, as I found out when  ? trying to backup a floppy which came with s disk (Maxtor IIRC).-  L > Since I already have the product and creating a new virtual machine has no? > effect on the existing one, it wouldn't hurt anything to try.$ >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:31:30 +0100o From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>E Subject: Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CDo2 Message-ID: <c3rdgi$897$1@news3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>  M I get your point. My CD drive reports 32 Sectors per track and 31 Tracks per c	 cylinder.u  Q However when we look at the original problem, the CD drive reports a multiple of  P 24 blocks (34824), whereas the LD drive reports a multiple of 32 blocks (34816)!  $ That can't be a coincidence can it ?  P When I do the same with a LD device and a CD-ROM that was burned with the image P of that LD device, I get the same number of blocks in both cases (1027200), and  no errors with a anal/disk.f  O So maybe Eberhard should give it a try, and use multiples of 96 blocks and see R/ what happens. If it solves the problem ........h      K > Whether this information was once true or not is unknown to me but it is  I > not true any longer.  LD devices today use variable geometry depending sJ > on the total size of the disk and the geometry of CD drives varies from K > model to model.  I have LD devices with a geometry of 4 sectors/track by 2K > 6 tracks/cylinder and some with 32 sectors and 32 tracks, etc.  I have a r> > SCSI CD drive on one system that uses 8 sectors/track and 4 I > tracks/cylinder but the IDE CD drive reports 255 sectors/track and 255 tG > tracks/cylinder.  Just for a change of pace, my DVD drive reports 63 a' > sectors/track and 16 tracks/cylinder.9 > G > With all of the CDs and DVDs I have burned, I have never once had to aE > worry about the LD device block size being a multiple of any value.- >  > Mark Berrymane >    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2004 12:26:14 +0100C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann)aE Subject: Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CDr- Message-ID: <40617056$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>n  5 In article <406063a2$1@cpns1.saic.com>, Mark Berryman $ <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com> writes: >Dirk Munk wrote:.J >> I found the page where I read that the LD device should be in multiple " >> of 96 blocks. This is the link: >> K' >> http://www.djesys.com/vms/cdrom.htmli >> iF >> However the more important bit for this thread is that CD-ROMS for K >> OpenVMS must have a size that is multiple of 24 blocks. This is the fullt3 >>> text on the matter of LD and CD-ROM disk sizes:N >> , >>K >--------------------------------------------------------------------------u >--------= c >>   >> w+ >> Creating the Logical Disk Container File  >> >H >> There are 2048 disk blocks in a megabyte. A full 650 MB CD-ROM would # >> represent 1,331,200 disk blocks.  >> hI >> The size of your Logical Disk container file MUST be a multiple of 96 i3 >> blocks. This satisfies three important criteria:D >>   >> IK >>     * The geometry of Logical Disk container files results in the number E >>> of blocks being calculated as multiples of 32: LD devices have a oG >> geometry of 32 sectors, 1 "head" (track) and a number of cylinders. f+ >> Thus, there are 32 blocks in a cylinder.  >> uG >>     *   The geometry of CD-ROMs on OpenVMS results in the number of nK >> blocks being calculated as multiple of 24: CD devices have a geometry ofsH >>> 4 sectors, 6 "heads" (tracks) and a number of cylinders. Thus, there >are o >> 24 blocks in a cylinder.e >> ,K >>     *   The "common denominator" between 24 and 32 is 96: both 24 and 32iA >>> are evenly divisible by 8, 3*8 and 4*8, respectively. 3*4=12,e >therefore, G >> 12*8 = 96. Any multiple of 96 is evenly divisible by both 24 and 32.  >> n >>K >--------------------------------------------------------------------------F	 >------- l >pJ >Whether this information was once true or not is unknown to me but it is H >not true any longer.  LD devices today use variable geometry depending I >on the total size of the disk and the geometry of CD drives varies from rJ >model to model.  I have LD devices with a geometry of 4 sectors/track by J >6 tracks/cylinder and some with 32 sectors and 32 tracks, etc.  I have a = >SCSI CD drive on one system that uses 8 sectors/track and 4 cH >tracks/cylinder but the IDE CD drive reports 255 sectors/track and 255 F >tracks/cylinder.  Just for a change of pace, my DVD drive reports 63 & >sectors/track and 16 tracks/cylinder. >tF >With all of the CDs and DVDs I have burned, I have never once had to D >worry about the LD device block size being a multiple of any value. >t >Mark Berryman >r >.   Mark,e  K I would like to confirm your observation. The only limit a CD or DVD has isi that the2 size of the disk must be a multiple of 2048 Bytes.  J Maybe cdwrite or old LD drivers produce errors if other conditions are not
 fulfilled.   eberhard   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:09:32 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>E Subject: Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CDf& Message-ID: <4061969C.2070201@home.nl>   Mark, Eberhard,   < Like I wrote before, I can understand Mark's arguments too !  K However I also observe that the size of the LD device in your example is a  O multiple of 32 blocks, and that the size of the resulting CD-Rom is a multiple  % of 24 blocks. Is that a coincidence ?t  I Why not make a new LD device with a size of 34848 blocks (multiple of 96 IL blocks), and burn that with cdrecord. If LD device and CD-Rom show the same P number of blocks afterwards, you have found the problem. Explaining it may be a  bit more difficult :-) .   Regards, Dirk       > Mark,e > M > I would like to confirm your observation. The only limit a CD or DVD has is 
 > that the4 > size of the disk must be a multiple of 2048 Bytes. > L > Maybe cdwrite or old LD drivers produce errors if other conditions are not > fulfilled. > 
 > eberhard >    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2004 15:57:28 +0100C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann)sE Subject: Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CDo+ Message-ID: <4061a1d8@news.uni-konstanz.de>'  G In article <4061969C.2070201@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:  >Mark, Eberhard, >n= >Like I wrote before, I can understand Mark's arguments too !e >"I >However I also observe that the size of the LD device in your example isn >aG >>multiple of 32 blocks, and that the size of the resulting CD-Rom is ao
 >multiple & >of 24 blocks. Is that a coincidence ? > J >Why not make a new LD device with a size of 34848 blocks (multiple of 96 G >blocks), and burn that with cdrecord. If LD device and CD-Rom show the1 >same G >number of blocks afterwards, you have found the problem. Explaining itA >may >be a  >bit more difficult :-) .  >e	 >Regards,  >Dirko >n >w >c   Dirk,o  + here is what I get with a 34848 Block file:e $ dir/size t1.dsk    Directory DKA100:[000000]    T1.DSK;1               34848  > $ mc sys$system:cdrecord driveropts=burnproof dev=8,0,0 t1.dskF Cdrecord 1.10 (Alpha/VAX-CPQ-VMS/OpenVMS) Copyright (C) 1995-2001 Jrg	 Schilling5G $41$dkb400:[sys71.syscommon.][sysexe]cdrecord.exe;1: WARNING: If bufferi underrun5 s occur, you might want to increase process priority.tH $41$dkb400:[sys71.syscommon.][sysexe]cdrecord.exe;1: Fifo not supported. scsidev: '8,0,0' scsibus: 8 target: 0 lun: 0 ! Using libscg version 'schily-0.5'g! Device type    : Removable CD-ROMc Version        : 0 Response Format: 2 Capabilities   : Vendor_info    : 'SONY    '"# Identifikation : 'DVD RW DRU-500A '  Revision       : '2.0g'o% Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD.s/ Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R driver (mmc_cdr).  Driver flags   : SWABAUDIOE Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 4 in write mode for single session.nH Last chance to quit, starting real write in 0 seconds. Operation starts.J $41$dkb400:[sys71.syscommon.][sysexe]cdrecord.exe;1: Turning BURN-Proof onE Track 01: Total bytes read/written: 17842176/17842176 (8712 sectors).,   $ show dev dqa0:/full,  F Disk $71$DQA0: (DG12), device type SONY    DVD RW DRU-500A, is online,I allocated, deallocate on dismount, mounted foreign, file-oriented device,dF shareable, served to cluster via MSCP Server, error logging isenabled.   [snip]  $     Total blocks               34856   [snip]  > 34856 Blocks are on the CD-RW, this differs from 34848 Blocks.  H Once again: it is not an error of cdrecord but a systematical feature of track at once burning.  	 Eberhard     ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:56:14 GMTc% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>-E Subject: Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CDo@ Message-ID: <ikh8c.15481$t16.8730633@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>  L "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> wrote in message news:4061969C.2070201@home.nl... > Mark, Eberhard,e >g> > Like I wrote before, I can understand Mark's arguments too ! >PL > However I also observe that the size of the LD device in your example is aG > multiple of 32 blocks, and that the size of the resulting CD-Rom is ae multiple' > of 24 blocks. Is that a coincidence ?p >yJ > Why not make a new LD device with a size of 34848 blocks (multiple of 96H > blocks), and burn that with cdrecord. If LD device and CD-Rom show the sameL > number of blocks afterwards, you have found the problem. Explaining it may be a > bit more difficult :-) . >   J I can confirm that using a disk that's a multiple of 96 does NOT solve theG problem.  The resulting CD is still 8 blocks larger than the LD device.R   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:42:57 +0100c From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>E Subject: Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CDd2 Message-ID: <c3saa1$hgs$2@news5.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>  Q Ok, you have convinced me. Now the question is why I don't have the same problem eQ with Nero on a PC. I just burned two new copies of my VMS 7.3-2 disk, and I used hM disk at once and track at once. In both cases I got the same result: 1027200 -1 blocks, which is the same as size of the LD disk.0   Regards,   Dirk         >  > Dirk,< > - > here is what I get with a 34848 Block file:t > $ dir/size t1.dskr >  > Directory DKA100:[000000]i >  > T1.DSK;1               34848 > @ > $ mc sys$system:cdrecord driveropts=burnproof dev=8,0,0 t1.dskH > Cdrecord 1.10 (Alpha/VAX-CPQ-VMS/OpenVMS) Copyright (C) 1995-2001 Jrg > Schilling I > $41$dkb400:[sys71.syscommon.][sysexe]cdrecord.exe;1: WARNING: If buffer@
 > underrun7 > s occur, you might want to increase process priority. J > $41$dkb400:[sys71.syscommon.][sysexe]cdrecord.exe;1: Fifo not supported. > scsidev: '8,0,0' > scsibus: 8 target: 0 lun: 0 # > Using libscg version 'schily-0.5' # > Device type    : Removable CD-ROMo > Version        : 0 > Response Format: 2 > Capabilities   : > Vendor_info    : 'SONY    ':% > Identifikation : 'DVD RW DRU-500A 's > Revision       : '2.0g' ' > Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD.o1 > Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R driver (mmc_cdr).f > Driver flags   : SWABAUDIOG > Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 4 in write mode for single session. J > Last chance to quit, starting real write in 0 seconds. Operation starts.L > $41$dkb400:[sys71.syscommon.][sysexe]cdrecord.exe;1: Turning BURN-Proof onG > Track 01: Total bytes read/written: 17842176/17842176 (8712 sectors).e >  > $ show dev dqa0:/fulla > H > Disk $71$DQA0: (DG12), device type SONY    DVD RW DRU-500A, is online,K > allocated, deallocate on dismount, mounted foreign, file-oriented device,xH > shareable, served to cluster via MSCP Server, error logging isenabled. >  > [snip] > & >     Total blocks               34856 >  > [snip] > @ > 34856 Blocks are on the CD-RW, this differs from 34848 Blocks. > J > Once again: it is not an error of cdrecord but a systematical feature of > track at once burning. >  > Eberhard u   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2004 17:55:59 +0100C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann)sE Subject: Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CDs- Message-ID: <4061bd9f$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>   K In article <c3saa1$hgs$2@news5.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>  writes:tI >Ok, you have convinced me. Now the question is why I don't have the samet	 >problem eJ >with Nero on a PC. I just burned two new copies of my VMS 7.3-2 disk, and >I used E >disk at once and track at once. In both cases I got the same result:p	 >1027200 t2 >blocks, which is the same as size of the LD disk. >t	 >Regards,e >  >Dirk  >b  H With Nero you must burn an image. Is it really possible to burn an image with track at one?H I have Nero6 here and cannot find any option to with between both modes.   eberhard   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:05:23 +0100t From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>E Subject: Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CD32 Message-ID: <c3sf4j$1ui$1@news3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Hi Eberhard,   I'm using Nero 5.5.10.42 OEM  )  From the file menu I choose "Burn Image"i I then select the imagesL In the "Foreign image settings" I leave everything default ("Data Mode 1" ,  blocks size 2048)sO In the next "Write CD" window there is a tab called "Burn". There I can select t2 "Track-at-once" or "Disc-at-once" as Write Method.   Regards, Dirk   Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann wrote:M > In article <c3saa1$hgs$2@news5.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>c	 > writes:o > J >>Ok, you have convinced me. Now the question is why I don't have the same
 >>problem K >>with Nero on a PC. I just burned two new copies of my VMS 7.3-2 disk, and 	 >>I used  F >>disk at once and track at once. In both cases I got the same result:
 >>1027200 3 >>blocks, which is the same as size of the LD disk.  >>
 >>Regards, >> >>Dirk >> >  > J > With Nero you must burn an image. Is it really possible to burn an image > with track at one?J > I have Nero6 here and cannot find any option to with between both modes. > 
 > eberhard   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:58:31 +0200r4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com>1 Subject: Re: Web Browser for DECwindows VMS 7-2-1>& Message-ID: <406169D7.28C08258@hp.com>   G Henry wrote: > G > Is there a Web browser for DECwindows on VMS 7.2-1?  I have found theh0 > HP product but the minimum OS verison is 7.2-2 >  > Thanks in advance  >  > Gary  B There is (used to be?) a kit for Netscape V3.03. Warning - this isH *really* old! There is also a kit for Mosaic V2.4 somwhere on the web...; Both work more-or-less on Vax V6.2, probably on Alpha also.i   Mike     -- sE ---------------------------------------------------------------------eE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.d? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------n -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----c Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------D   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 06:57:52 -0500d' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>-1 Subject: Re: Web Browser for DECwindows VMS 7-2-111 Message-ID: <z7qdnfyRKYhY6vzdRVn-gw@adelphia.com>u   G Henry wrote:  F >Is there a Web browser for DECwindows on VMS 7.2-1?  I have found the/ >HP product but the minimum OS verison is 7.2-2  >vC The mozilla browser should run just fine on 7.2-1, its just not as   supported on earlier releases.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2004 07:38:01 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)y1 Subject: Re: Web Browser for DECwindows VMS 7-2-1n3 Message-ID: <ED5ef$4pbsvQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>M  a In article <j5t160t2ki02a0m3cl2ocha4hqt35thnn9@4ax.com>, G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com> writes:eG > Is there a Web browser for DECwindows on VMS 7.2-1?  I have found theo0 > HP product but the minimum OS verison is 7.2-2  ?    There have been Web browsers for DECwindows on VMS since thepC    early days.  I have mozilla, Mosaic, and lynx.  You just need tob0    find a link to the older versions of mozilla.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2004 15:01:29 +0100K From: pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40)e1 Subject: Re: Web Browser for DECwindows VMS 7-2-1e! Message-ID: <yAbZqKZ7OFOL@sinead>e  a In article <j5t160t2ki02a0m3cl2ocha4hqt35thnn9@4ax.com>, G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com> writes: G > Is there a Web browser for DECwindows on VMS 7.2-1?  I have found the 0 > HP product but the minimum OS verison is 7.2-2 >   E If you are on Alpha, Mozilla 1.5 works fine under VMS 7.2-1 (just notaJ supported). If javascript/Java/flash is of no interest for you, Mosaic 3.7F is now available for VAX and Alpha. You also can use lynx 2.8 (a VT100	 browser).S   Patrickr --O ===============================================================================0N pmoreau@ath.cena.fr  (CENA)      ______      ___   _          (Patrick MOREAU)4 moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:18:01 -0500 * From: "Brian Tillman" <tillmabg@yahoo.com>1 Subject: RE: Web Browser for DECwindows VMS 7-2-1i' Message-ID: <0130A169.C22236@yahoo.com>    Mike Rechtman wrote:  D > There is (used to be?) a kit for Netscape V3.03. Warning - this is > *really* old!   L http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/ns_navigator_303gold_down load_page.html  & but they've removed the Alpha version.  1 > There is also a kit for Mosaic V2.4 somwhere on- > the web...  H Mosaic is at V3.7 now and can be found at ftp://wvnvms.wvnet.edu/mosaic/ -- :
 Brian Tillmant   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:02:08 GMTw From: bob <sfmc68@verizon.net>M Subject: which systems have the best track record - sun vs dec/q/hp vms alphao5 Message-ID: <QUd8c.1406$Wb4.397@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>o  G I konw this is a comp.os.vms news group but pardon my question please, e, my application is really OS and CPU neutral.  F I have various sun boxes in my shop ranging from 3400s to 6800s to 10  and 15K boxes.H I have a various Dec/Q/HP boxes in my shop all at least quad cpu boxes, E and a fair number of larger boxes with at least 32 cpus - just about a8 every alpha box made by the various incarnations of dec.  E I have a box and os neutral application that runs oracle, that is my aG only stipulation.  What I am after is what system provides me the best t> (no matter what you use for the definition) real availability E environment.  I can use a few clusters, I can use a large cluster, I wD have jsut about complete freedom of choice on the the base for this G application, but I don't know which is more reliable, and thus able to n be more avialble.a  G Which os has the least crashes? which boxes are the most reliable, and - yes this will be clustered?    thanks bob5   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:26:31 +0200w4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com>Q Subject: Re: which systems have the best track record - sun vs dec/q/hp vms alphae& Message-ID: <40618C87.36D59ED9@hp.com>  
 bob wrote: <.. snipped.. >  > H > Which os has the least crashes? which boxes are the most reliable, and > yes this will be clustered?o >  > thanks > bobe     LOOK OUT FOR THE TROLLS!!o   Mike -- uE ---------------------------------------------------------------------.E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.r? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*dF Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------S -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK------ Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------a   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2004 07:49:28 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Q Subject: Re: which systems have the best track record - sun vs dec/q/hp vms alpha 3 Message-ID: <pAGCzY6N+FlY@eisner.encompasserve.org>=  V In article <QUd8c.1406$Wb4.397@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>, bob <sfmc68@verizon.net> writes:I > I konw this is a comp.os.vms news group but pardon my question please, a. > my application is really OS and CPU neutral. >   C    There are a great many reasons most of us here will tell you the     correct answer is VMS.r  E    But its up to you to find and evaluate some distinguishing factor._  J    In my shop its security, reliability, longevity, and TCO.  In the real H    world nothing can touch VMS for either.  There's nothing like runningJ    a high cost custom developed app for a decade or more on a system that H    just keeps running.  COTS apps that only run on other platforms just ,    don't have anything to do with our needs.  H    In some shops it's "what does Gartner say"?  Gartner will not see theG    light, they've been dragging the same message around since they werelC    founded, claiming VMS will die in five years, without showing anc6    ability to make it into a self-fulfulling prophecy.  C    And in some shops it's what do the fresh-outs know?  Mostly they E    don't know too much, that's because they're fresh-outs.  NevermindlB    anyone even basically worth having will find VMS easy to learn.  D    Andrew will most likely chime in with some FUD now.  We basically"    ignore him, and you should too.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:53:45 -0500u* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>Q Subject: Re: which systems have the best track record - sun vs dec/q/hp vms alphao3 Message-ID: <Gng8c.1631$Xy3.5955@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   I I'd say that if you have so many of these, both sun and hp, you should beiI able to figure out yourself which one has the least crashes, is easier too maintain, etc.  C Why, just collect statistics on your own systems, and let us know !a   -- e Syltremh   OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address---t5 "bob" <sfmc68@verizon.net> a crit dans le message deK/ news:QUd8c.1406$Wb4.397@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...4H > I konw this is a comp.os.vms news group but pardon my question please,. > my application is really OS and CPU neutral. >DG > I have various sun boxes in my shop ranging from 3400s to 6800s to 10  > and 15K boxes.I > I have a various Dec/Q/HP boxes in my shop all at least quad cpu boxes,-F > and a fair number of larger boxes with at least 32 cpus - just about: > every alpha box made by the various incarnations of dec. >wF > I have a box and os neutral application that runs oracle, that is myH > only stipulation.  What I am after is what system provides me the best? > (no matter what you use for the definition) real availabilitytF > environment.  I can use a few clusters, I can use a large cluster, IE > have jsut about complete freedom of choice on the the base for thisEH > application, but I don't know which is more reliable, and thus able to > be more avialble.  >nH > Which os has the least crashes? which boxes are the most reliable, and > yes this will be clustered?W >e > thanks > bobu   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:41:37 -0500h* From: "Brian Tillman" <tillmabg@yahoo.com>Q Subject: RE: which systems have the best track record - sun vs dec/q/hp vms alphae' Message-ID: <0130A3AB.C22236@yahoo.com>t  
 bob wrote:  D > Which os has the least crashes? which boxes are the most reliable," > and yes this will be clustered?   G We have Suns and VMS systems.  I administer the VMS systems and anothersH person administers the Suns.  His machines crash more than mine and whenL they do, he usually has to rebuild at least one disk.  If a disk runs out ofJ space, it's more difficult to rearrange the allocation of space.  Also, ifH we have a planned power outage, it is rare that the Suns come up without< work.  The VMS machines require nothing more than rebooting.  L The clustering for each platform is a different animal.  In practice, on theK Suns one can have unified security domains across multiple machines and theaJ behavior feels similar to the way clusters behave on VMS.  No matter whichL Sun I reference, I can use the same username/password and get the same loginJ directory.  Management of that environment seems somewhat trickier than onK VMS, however.  Also, you can't connect to any of the Suns sharing disks and H expect to run the same apps.  Each app, like our databases, timekeeping, etc. are on specific machines.  J This isn't an attempt to say the Suns aren't reliable, but they do seem toH require some additional measure of nursemaiding than do the VMS systems. -- f
 Brian Tillmanp   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:04:41 +0100i  From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>Q Subject: Re: which systems have the best track record - sun vs dec/q/hp vms alphae- Message-ID: <c3s829$1g7d$1@news.cybercity.dk>   
 bob wrote:H > I konw this is a comp.os.vms news group but pardon my question please,. > my application is really OS and CPU neutral. > G > I have various sun boxes in my shop ranging from 3400s to 6800s to 10c > and 15K boxes.B > I have a various Dec/Q/HP boxes in my shop all at least quad cpuG > boxes, and a fair number of larger boxes with at least 32 cpus - just @ > about every alpha box made by the various incarnations of dec. >sF > I have a box and os neutral application that runs oracle, that is myH > only stipulation.  What I am after is what system provides me the best? > (no matter what you use for the definition) real availability F > environment.  I can use a few clusters, I can use a large cluster, IE > have jsut about complete freedom of choice on the the base for thistH > application, but I don't know which is more reliable, and thus able to > be more avialble.d >dH > Which os has the least crashes? which boxes are the most reliable, and > yes this will be clustered?t >  > thanks > bobm  K Well, my $0.02 is that it probably depends where your surplus expertise is..J Since you already have everything in place for both solutions, it probablyK comes down to preference and/or politics.  Personally I think that VMS is aaH better solution on all counts.  I am not a unix fan in general, but hey,F there are lots of big systems running Sun/Oracle out there, so we must: assume it works OK for these people - eBay for example :-)  K The cost of running it on VMS will probably be lower, same number of Oracle L issues/problems/work and fewer OS issues/problems/work.  Your own experienceB should tell you which platform consumes the most people resources.  
 Dr. Dweeb.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:04:06 GMT8% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>v. Subject: Re:  500,000,000 fine for Micro$oft.@ Message-ID: <Wji8c.15502$t16.8742679@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>  . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message3 news:NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIGEOFCPAA.tom@kednos.com...mG > I think MS is more concerned about restricitons for the future rather1C > than the amount of this fine.  For example, the EU commission has 	 indicated?F > that it is opposed to the integration of a search engine in the next versiont5 > of windows (which I happen to think is a good idea). >e  J We all need to start worrying if the government starts designing software.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.165 ************************n with VMS...the application; >> portfolio cupboard gets emptier and emptier by design...r >>? >> ...HP does none of the 'little' things like advertise VMS to G >> prospective customers, like telling the world in something about VMSaG >> in anything other than a press release which no self-respective newss >> agency will run >> >> >a9 > Well, this particular example is really a niche market.u/ > The real problem datestml
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