1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 25 Mar 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 166       Contents:' Re: 2 objects one program 2 program ids  Re: :-) BOFH needs VMS Re: :-) BOFH needs VMS% Re: ? 500,000,000 fine for Micro$oft.  Re: Alpha sizing for Cerner @ Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers ANN: patch 2.5.4 for GNV-AXP Console connect to PWS500au  Re: Console connect to PWS500au - Re: Dcps 2.3 and the Qms Minolta Propage 9100 ' Re: EUR 500,000,000 fine for Micro$oft. % Re: Extremely Frustrated with EMC SAN  Re: F$FID_TO_NAME # RE: firmware problem on DEC3000 AXP P Re: RE: HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of         VeterP Re: HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of Veteran   AffairsP Re: HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of Veteran Affairs-(P Re: HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of Veteran Affairs-(P Re: HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of VeteranAffairs-(OP Re: HP Awarded 10 year, $784 Million OpenVMS Services Contract by US         DepP RE: HP Awarded 10 year, $784 Million OpenVMS Services Contract by US Department P Re: HP Awarded 10 year, $784 Million OpenVMS Services Contract by US Department % Is VMS a trademark of HP/COMPAQ/DEC ? ) Re: Is VMS a trademark of HP/COMPAQ/DEC ? ) Re: Is VMS a trademark of HP/COMPAQ/DEC ?  Re: ITRC - VMS Patch Database  Re: ITRC - VMS Patch Database  Re: ODS-5 after five years Re: Running with the Borg  Re: Running with the Borg  Re: Server hang - compute bound  TEMPERATURE_VECTOR Re: TEMPERATURE_VECTOR Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?  RE: Toys R Us and VMS ? H Re: which systems have the best track record - sun vs dec/q/hp vms alphaP Re: which systems have the best track record - sun vs dec/q/hp vms alpha alphaal% Re:  500,000,000 fine for Micro$oft.   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:25:41 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>0 Subject: Re: 2 objects one program 2 program ids6 Message-ID: <40624325.D66FF26A@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Hein van den Heuvel wrote: > M > Yeah, Cobol has these funky concept of 'run unit' and 'contained programs'. I > I'm sure it is there to satisfy some standard. Read all about it in the  > usersguide chapter 12:N > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/6297/6297_profile_038.html#index_x_181 > 7   ; VAX/DEC BASIC has had a similar concept for some years now.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2004 15:56:03 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: :-) BOFH needs VMS 3 Message-ID: <rlqamHTvfruR@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <40619028.12392.222963@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> writes:. > On 24 Mar 2004 at 11:58, Peter Weaver wrote:4 >> Now there is someone who really needs CHARON-VAX. > 1 > Only if he can get the company to pay for it...   D    Now I know from experience that the program in question runs just    fine on a Mac.   D    What he needs, though, is a new power supply for his old VAX.  On2    the older VAXen it was always the power supply.       ;-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:00:42 -0600 5 From: "ssj152 \(stuart\)" <ssj152 AT charter DOT net>  Subject: Re: :-) BOFH needs VMS 0 Message-ID: <1064iqoteftdae7@corp.supernews.com>  H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:rlqamHTvfruR@eisner.encompasserve.org... C > In article <40619028.12392.222963@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle"   <squayle@insight.rr.com> writes:0 > > On 24 Mar 2004 at 11:58, Peter Weaver wrote:6 > >> Now there is someone who really needs CHARON-VAX. > > 3 > > Only if he can get the company to pay for it...  > F >    Now I know from experience that the program in question runs just >    fine on a Mac.  > F >    What he needs, though, is a new power supply for his old VAX.  On4 >    the older VAXen it was always the power supply. > 	 >     ;-)  >   H Naah, not ALWAYS the power supply - I've seen backplanes fail on the oldJ 6000-xxxx systems. Of course, the tech DID exchange the power supply a fewK times before giving up and fixing the actual problem... Power supplies were L changed out at least 6 times on that system (one of a redundant pair) beforeI fixing the system to the point it maintained the "normal" system uptime - J one day in about 365, other than scheduled maintenance. These machines ranL 24x7, operating a natural gas pipeline, a critical application if there ever was one.  H Also, why run a vintage game on an emulator if you can do it on the real thing?   Stuart Johnson   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 00:39:41 +0100   From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>. Subject: Re: ? 500,000,000 fine for Micro$oft.- Message-ID: <c3t67u$2fr8$1@news.cybercity.dk>    John Vottero wrote: 0 > "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message5 > news:NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIGEOFCPAA.tom@kednos.com... H >> I think MS is more concerned about restricitons for the future ratherD >> than the amount of this fine.  For example, the EU commission hasE >> indicated that it is opposed to the integration of a search engine D >> in the next version of windows (which I happen to think is a good >> idea) >> > B > We all need to start worrying if the government starts designing > software.   K It is not a matter of a government trying to design software, it is about a I monopoly, bundling peripheral products in order to leverage said monopoly J position and to lock out competition.  There are laws against this sort ofK thing in most of the civilised world (incl. US) and courts adjudicate on it K regularly, because bundling is what monopolies love to do for a plethora of G reasons, most of which are explicitly illegal.  MS is clearly guilty of  this.   F The MS position is EVERYTHING is a natural part of the OS - one shouldK expect nothing less from a monopolist of their stature.  I think that it is L difficult to argue that a media player is part of an OS.  A search engine isL a little bit trickier I admit.  Exactly where do you draw the line?  We have: courts to decide, and decide, they do, on a regular basis.  	 Dr. Dweeb    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:15:24 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>$ Subject: Re: Alpha sizing for Cerner6 Message-ID: <406240BC.C2E84C49@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   John Smith wrote:  > 5 > "Lee Mah" <lytmah@telusplanet.net> wrote in message $ > news:pjO7c.409$wg1.356@edtnps84... > > Can you  be more specific?8 > > Will you be running the Classic or Millennium suite?! > > What modules are you running?  > M > Don't know at this time. We're just looking at the different choices in the > > market right now. The hospital won't open for about 2 years.  G Think of Cerner Classic the same way you think of Alpha or OpenVMS-VAX: C Cerner's big thing is Millennium - that's where THEY want you to go  (taking a cue from bgINC).  E Finding a way to make that cost effective will be a challenge, to say 
 the least.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 23:30:53 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>I Subject: Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers 2 Message-ID: <L6ydnXEuu5fM_f_dRVn-uw@metrocast.net>  D "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message, news:Csj8c.1598$ll2.1504@news.cpqcorp.net... > 7 > "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message & > news:4060AD2B.50803@tsoft-inc.com...   ...   J > > That will most likely be up to the customers.  If they buy Sparc based
 > systems,K > > it seems that Sun will continue to sell them.  If the AMD based systems  > offer E > > better price performance, then the Sparc systems may well go away  quietly. > I 9 > > sure wish I had the same options with my favorite OS.  > >  > H > Since we're making predictions... I'll guess that you are wrong.  I'll guess J > that at some point they will make the decision to cut their costs/losses and I > stop any new Sparc work.  They will develop a Sparc emulator/translator  that9 > will run under Solaris/AMD as their migration strategy.   J Hmmm.  That would be exceptionally stupid, especially given the compellingJ example of just how poorly the attempt to migrate Tru64 customers to HP-UX	 is going.   J Yes, unlike Tru64 they'd get to keep their OS.  But they;d still be forcedH into a big-endian-to-little-endian conversion, and while Solaris is moreE endian-independent than many OSs some of its applications may not be.   J Also, Sun has many-core SPARC processors scheduled to ship within 2 years,D while AMD's announced plans don't go beyond 2-core processors in theJ time-frame.  The former may be significantly more attractive in the largerL servers than dual-core AMD (or Xeon) chips will be, even if the latter offer* significantly higher per-core performance.  H So at the very least Sun should have a robust presence on AMD processorsK well before SPARC starts to fade away.  Unlike another transition one might  be tempted to compare it with.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:53:27 +0100 & From: Bernard Giroud <bgiroud@free.fr>% Subject: ANN: patch 2.5.4 for GNV-AXP ' Message-ID: <4061F547.51083D39@free.fr>   8 Thanks to Martin Borgman from the OpenOffice for OpenVMS; porting team for the repository and the GNV people for GNV, . GNU patch 2.5.4 is now available for download.  2 Patch permits to apply diff to a (set of) file(s).  7 This version needs OpenVMS Alpha 7.3-1 or later and GNV  1.5-6.  2 Here are the URLs (will probably wrap; watch out!)   Home page for GNV goodies:" http://www.oooovms.dyndns.org/gnv/  	 Binaries: K http://www.oooovms.dyndns.org/gnv/patch/GNV-AXPVMS-PATCH-V0205-4-1_PCSI.ZIP   
 Source patch: ; http://www.oooovms.dyndns.org/gnv/patch/GNV-PATCH-2-5-4.TGZ   / The source patch for bison is now available at: ; http://www.oooovms.dyndns.org/gnv/bison/GNV-BISON-1-35.TGZ.    -- Bernard Giroud! Open Source COBOL Tools Developer   " Home email: bgiroud at free dot fr3 Work email: bernard.giroud at creditlyonnais dot ch    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:45:14 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> $ Subject: Console connect to PWS500au9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECICEPACPAA.tom@kednos.com>   5 I am try to connect using a hyperterminal on a W2K to : the console port of a PWS500au running 7.3-1, I have tried: a variety of settings.  Anybody know what these should be? It comes in on TTA0      --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 06:00:23 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>( Subject: Re: Console connect to PWS500au. Message-ID: <c3tp17$1knm$1@biggoron.nerim.net>   Tom Linden wrote:   7 > I am try to connect using a hyperterminal on a W2K to < > the console port of a PWS500au running 7.3-1, I have tried< > a variety of settings.  Anybody know what these should be? > It comes in on TTA0    Hi Tom,   N You should check that the default setting type for the console is serial, not 	 graphics.     >>> set console serial   
 should do it. = Default params are 9600/8/N/1 as usual (if my memory is good)    D. --  2 VAXUS - Your new helpful friend in the DEC Family!2 EHQ: 19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France/       Phone: +336 7983 6418 Fax: +335 6154 1928 $                 http://www.vaxus.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:22:27 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>6 Subject: Re: Dcps 2.3 and the Qms Minolta Propage 91006 Message-ID: <40624263.8FB4E982@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Paul Anderson wrote: > G > In article <b94065a6.0403230451.60f8ed1c@posting.google.com>, Labadie $ > G?rard <labadie_g@decus.fr> wrote: > 	 > > Hello  > > G > > I have not found this printer in the Spd of Dcps 2.3, but should it  > > work with IP_LPD ? > G > OpenVMS Engineering has no knowledge of this printer.  The data sheet H > indicates the network card does TCP/IP but does not mention LPD or Raw > TCP specifically.  > I > OpenVMS Engineering is familiar with CrownNet technology on QMS network G > cards.  In the past, these cards have supported both Raw TCP (on port  > 6869) and LPD. > H > Try Raw TCP first, since its bidirectionality allows for better status > and error reporting.  6 Multinet users can try this which may shed some light:   $ MULT SHOW/CONN/SNMP=a.b.c.d   H If the target responds to SNMP queries, you may get a list of ports withD active listeners. Whether or not that is useful is another question.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2004 12:52:55 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 0 Subject: Re: EUR 500,000,000 fine for Micro$oft.3 Message-ID: <m8emftbeUeCN@eisner.encompasserve.org>   S In article <c3sa8t$hgs$1@news5.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:  > P > It is a bit less actualy.  497,000,000 (if you have a VMS newsreader you can 9 > see that  = the Euro sign), and  1 = US$ 1.23 (about)  >   G    Hm.  Looks wrong on my DECterm over an eightbit ssh.  Was there some 8    minimum version of DECwindows to get this font right?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:17:47 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>. Subject: Re: Extremely Frustrated with EMC SAN6 Message-ID: <4062414B.98F99E00@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Rob Young wrote: > S > In article <_3P7c.429$wg1.275@edtnps84>, Lee Mah <lytmah@telusplanet.net> writes:  >  > J > > Now, the problem with EMC shadow sets.  If a node crashes, each shadowE > > set comprised of EMC-EMC members went into mount verification and J > > took over 12 hours to do full shadow merges.  The EMC-HSJ shadows tookO > > from 1.5 to 5 hours to full merge.  The HSJ-HSJ shadows went into minimerge I > > and recovered to normalcy within six seconds.  Of course, the EMC-EMC H > > shadow problem also applies to HP SAN disks.  HP is supposed to haveC > > a retro-fit available for this problem some time in the future.  > ( >         Regarding EMC-EMC full merges. > H >         There is something bizarro lurking in the bowels of the shadow3 >         code.  That isn't too technical - I know.  > F >         But empirically, if you DON'T do something about the EMC-EMCI >         merges they will drag on for a very long time (unless of course ' >         the DSA is busy - see below).  > J >         My fix was/is to force IO to the DSA.  What I believe I am doing? >         of course is forcing reads to both shadow members and E >         forcing the merge fence to move along.  It isn't unusual to F >         do $ MONI CLUST or MONI DISK and watch 1,2,3, 5 IO/sec goingD >         to the DSA in question prior to action.  After action, youL >         see 150-200 IO/sec (127 block io).  It then slows down again, findH >         another large file (or touch the whole disk).  Action like so: > + >            $ spawn/nowait/input=nla0:   - F >                 backup dsan:[directory]largefile.ext nla0:t.bck/save > O >         With above technique I've merged pretty full (80%+) 36 Gig volumes in A >         3 hours (or less - can't recall exact wall clock time).  > Q >         I believe if there is a lot of IO to the DSA (IO other than forced IO), G >         the merge will proceed quite quickly.  My experience has been . >         off-peak - hence little IO activity.  C My experience jibes with that. When a shadow-set was in full merge, C BACKUP ran against it. After 15 hours, it only at the 24% mark, and + after 16 hours it was complete - go figure.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2004 12:51:07 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: F$FID_TO_NAME3 Message-ID: <IqyuFVT0wAtx@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <4061aaa6$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail.com> writes:   A > The biggest missing piece is SET FILE/ENT=new-name [id,seq,rvn]   .    The one reason I miss the AME.  PIP had it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:24:13 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> , Subject: RE: firmware problem on DEC3000 AXPR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB2C690A@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----@ > From: Ruisheng Peng [mailto:peng@olivine.submm.caltech.edu]=20 > Sent: March 11, 2004 8:37 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com * > Subject: firmware problem on DEC3000 AXP >=20 > Hi,  >=20A >   I'm trying to turn a DEC3000 M400 AXP box that used to run=20 ; > Ultrix to one that runs OpenVMS6.2 as a backup, but am=20 ! > running into firmware problems. C > Many of you may recall that to upgrade from anything earlier than ? > OpenVMS6.2 to anything later needs to replace a PROM (from=20 > > series 309E7 to 333E7) on the main board for the firmware=20 > upgrade to be successful.=20A > The Ultrix box has a PROM of 309E7 series.  So went ahead to=20 > > replace it with a 333E7 series.  The trouble is that upon=20B > power up, I can't get to the console program, nor there's the=20< > regular powerup test.  All I get is a mirrored ? on the=20B > console.  The diagnostic LED on the back of the box has 2, 3,=20> > 4 off and the rest on.  Initally suspected that maybe the=20E > PROM I placed in was faulty.  Ordered a couple more.  Same results.  >=20> >   Is there something specific in the firmware for the AXP=20B > boxes that run Ultrix as compared to those that run OpenVMS? =20A > Is it possible at all to turn an Ultrix box into a OpenVMS box?  >=20? >   Another strange thing: with the old PROM in place, "show=20 @ > memory" under console program shows only bank 0 and bank 2,=20 > each having 32MB, and bank> > 1 and 3 have 0MB.  But all four banks are filled with the=20 > same memory.=20 + > I swapped memories around. No difference.  >=20) >   Any help and suggestions appreciated,  >=20 > --Ruisheng Peng  >=20  
 Ruisheng -  G Drop me an offline email with an email account that can take approx 4MB G and I will send you the PDF maint and Firmware guides for the DEC 3000. G The maint guide has all of the led decode info in this guide as well as ; various test commands that can be used to isolate problems.   D I have two of these DEC 3000`s now running VMS V7.3-2 (home and workH labs). The FW on these are already at V2.1, but it sounds like you might> have some memory issues which are complicating the FW upgrade.  H I would suggest resolving the memory problems first with the old PROM in# place and then do the PROM upgrade.    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:12:01 -0600 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>Y Subject: Re: RE: HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of         Veter / Message-ID: <00A2F532.70E34325.9@tachysoft.com>   ( >From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsP >Subject: RE: HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of Veteran$ >         Affairs-(OpenVMS Clusters)S >Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB2C68E2@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net> & >Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:05:43 -0500. >Organization: Info-VAX<==>comp.os.vms Gateway     > I >As a fyi, the url for this press release can be found on the external HP  >Press site at:  > : >http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2004/040324a.html >  >Regards >  >Kerry Main     F I am overjoyed to hear that hp has at least *mentioned* vms for once.   M This would be a great opportunity for some vms-related *advertising*.  Surely O this might be of interest to some CIOs who are sick of fighting the billyworld.    Wayne O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== B Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?", 	Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 05:53:04 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>Y Subject: Re: HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of Veteran   Affairs . Message-ID: <c3tojg$1kes$2@biggoron.nerim.net>  O Dirk, could you disable that boring ACK request when posting in this newsgroup?  Merci.   D.   Dirk Munk wrote:  J > Congratulations once again Sue, this is great news for the OpenVMS team 0 > at HP (and for us in the group too of course). > L > Mike Kear from HP was even quicker announcing this news in the group :-) . > J > Some naughty guy at the press office was even able to smuggle the words 8 > OpenVMS and Alphaserver in the announcement! Wooow :-)   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2004 15:38:27 -08001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) Y Subject: Re: HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of Veteran Affairs-( = Message-ID: <857e9e41.0403241538.2e36e102@posting.google.com>    Brian,  D I would not have posted if I had seen Mike's post.  It takes several. hours for us to see posts behind the firewall.   sue     Y "Brian Tillman" <tillmabg@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<0130A5BA.C22236@yahoo.com>...  > Sue Skonetski wrote: > E > > PALO ALTO, Calif., Mar 24, 2004 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- HP (HPQ) (HPQ)  > L > We really don't need to see the same announcement multiple times.  Thanks.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 05:52:05 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>Y Subject: Re: HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of Veteran Affairs-( . Message-ID: <c3tohl$1kes$1@biggoron.nerim.net>   Brian Tillman wrote: > Sue Skonetski wrote: >  > C >>PALO ALTO, Calif., Mar 24, 2004 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- HP (HPQ) (HPQ)  >  > L > We really don't need to see the same announcement multiple times.  Thanks.  < Brian, you should respect Sue. She is more than respectable.   D. --  2 VAXUS - Your new helpful friend in the DEC Family!2 EHQ: 19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France/       Phone: +336 7983 6418 Fax: +335 6154 1928 $                 http://www.vaxus.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:57:48 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>Y Subject: Re: HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of VeteranAffairs-(O ) Message-ID: <40622070.E361A9B9@istop.com>   K This is what Dows Jones Newswire carried: (note omission of the ____VMS and  Alphaserver words.    ?      HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract By Department Of A      Veteran Affairs HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract By &      Department Of Veteran Affairs -2         3/24/04 8:00am         (MORE) Dow Jones Newswires         03-24-04 0800ET    G      PALO ALTO, Calif. -(Dow Jones)- Hewlett-Packard Co. (HPQ) signed a  10-year, $ 784 millionH      contract for engineering and support of the Department of Veterans' Affairs information       database system.   N      In a press release Wednesday, the maker of computers and printers said it will provideG      support and maintence for the VA's VistA internal health care data  system, allowingI      integration of record-keeping across some 170 veterans hospitals and  health centers in the +      U.S., Puerto Rico and the Philippines.   K      Hewlett-Packard has worked as a consultant and service provider for VA  computer and data       systems since 1983.  M      Shares of Hewlett-Packard changed hands in premarket trading recently at  $ 21.40, up 1 cent7      from Tuesday close of $21.39, as reported on INET.   (      Company Web site: http://www.hp.com  3      -Bill Platt; Dow Jones Newswires; 201-938-5400    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:28:34 -0800 0 From: Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com>Y Subject: Re: HP Awarded 10 year, $784 Million OpenVMS Services Contract by US         Dep ' Message-ID: <4061a922$1@cpns1.saic.com>    Nigel Barker wrote: J > On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 06:20:31 -0800, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote: >  > % >>So is this is a Mumps-based system?  >  > R > There is no MUMPS any more. It's now ANSI standard M. Intersystems have gone one? > stage further & describe Cache as a post-relational database.   D There is no ANSI standard M anymore, either.  It was withdrawn as a H standard effective Jan 1, 2002.  A PDF archived copy of the weekly ANSI F standards newsletter that documents this can be found at the ANSI.ORG  site by searching for X11.1.  
 Mark Berryman    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:34:08 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> Y Subject: RE: HP Awarded 10 year, $784 Million OpenVMS Services Contract by US Department  R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB2C691A@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message------ > From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]=20  > Sent: March 24, 2004 12:33 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com : > Subject: Re: HP Awarded 10 year, $784 Million OpenVMS=207 > Services Contract by US Department of Veteran Affairs  >=20 >=20 >=20B > So will it continue to remain on VMS or does the announcement=201 > merely mention what it is currently running on?  >=20 >=20) > > Practice random acts of VMS marketing  >=20= > Marketing is more than the regurgitating of press releases.  >=20 >=20  C Well, I guess that might depend if *each* press release was about a  $784M OpenVMS solutions win.=20   F Imho, I would rather see a lot more of these $784M press releases than more WSJ ads ..    :-)    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:57:15 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> Y Subject: Re: HP Awarded 10 year, $784 Million OpenVMS Services Contract by US Department  K Message-ID: <LCm8c.46903$uz5.46121@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   2 "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> wrote in messageL news:FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB2C691A@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net...   > -----Original Message-----* > From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com] > Sent: March 24, 2004 12:33 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 7 > Subject: Re: HP Awarded 10 year, $784 Million OpenVMS 7 > Services Contract by US Department of Veteran Affairs  >  >  > ? > So will it continue to remain on VMS or does the announcement 1 > merely mention what it is currently running on?  >  > ) > > Practice random acts of VMS marketing  > = > Marketing is more than the regurgitating of press releases.  >  >   C Well, I guess that might depend if *each* press release was about a  $784M OpenVMS solutions win.  F Imho, I would rather see a lot more of these $784M press releases than more WSJ ads ..   I You'd see a lot more of these types of big dollar news releases if HP got B some *NEW* customers for VMS. And guess how that would likely comeG about....by advertising in the WSJ and similar publications in order to L reach, in full page mode, all those execs who don't read press releases thatF then have to be filtered though a news release editor at some computer' magazine who thinks VMS is dead anyway.   L For every one of HP's like this, Sun has at least 10 and IBM has 20 or more.+ And the o/s'es they have on offer are sh*t.   L The fewer 'middlemen' you have between HP's (here's hoping) message that VMSF is being heavily promoted by HP and the guys that sign the checks, the- better. Hence advertising. But you knew that.     Too bad carly(tm) et. al. don't.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2004 14:02:01 -08007 From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones) . Subject: Is VMS a trademark of HP/COMPAQ/DEC ?= Message-ID: <8a646952.0403241402.49286ec7@posting.google.com>    To Everyone:  E I am find an increasing number of advertisement for job opportunities D with companies that are using VMS as an acronym in the job listings. For example:  "    VMS - Vendor Management SystemsB    VMS - VMS is a world leader in news and advertising informationB retrieval, providing unique services and products for thousands of> public relations firms, advertising agencies, marketers, event! sponsors and producers worldwide.   D A couple of times I have sent emails to these sites and complained.    Sorry for the ranting.   Regards, Daryl Jones    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 02:41:37 GMT 4 From: "Roert G. Schaffrath" <rschaffrath@yahoo.com>2 Subject: Re: Is VMS a trademark of HP/COMPAQ/DEC ?% Message-ID: <406246E1.2CB7@yahoo.com>    Daryl Jones wrote: >  > To Everyone: > G > I am find an increasing number of advertisement for job opportunities F > with companies that are using VMS as an acronym in the job listings. > For example: > $ >    VMS - Vendor Management SystemsD >    VMS - VMS is a world leader in news and advertising informationD > retrieval, providing unique services and products for thousands of@ > public relations firms, advertising agencies, marketers, event# > sponsors and producers worldwide.  > E > A couple of times I have sent emails to these sites and complained.  >  > Sorry for the ranting. > 
 > Regards,
 > Daryl Jones   H Is "Apple" a trademark for a computer company, a record label or a piece	 of fruit?    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2004 19:09:11 -08002 From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb)2 Subject: Re: Is VMS a trademark of HP/COMPAQ/DEC ?= Message-ID: <bf98c417.0403241909.18c1d360@posting.google.com>   | jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones) wrote in message news:<8a646952.0403241402.49286ec7@posting.google.com>... > To Everyone: > G > I am find an increasing number of advertisement for job opportunities F > with companies that are using VMS as an acronym in the job listings. > For example: > $ >    VMS - Vendor Management SystemsD >    VMS - VMS is a world leader in news and advertising informationD > retrieval, providing unique services and products for thousands of@ > public relations firms, advertising agencies, marketers, event# > sponsors and producers worldwide.  > F > A couple of times I have sent emails to these sites and complained.  >  > Sorry for the ranting. > 
 > Regards,
 > Daryl Jones     A Identical trademarks can coexist under circumstances in which the E distinct areas in which the trademarks are used are dissimilar enough & to preclude confusion between the two.  > A timely illustration of the same trademark being used for twoF dissimilar purposes is the use of the word "VAX" where use in one area? describes a computer and use in another area, a vacuum cleaner.   ? Trademark survivability does depend on protecting one's area of F exclusivity, however, and anything less than aggressive action in thisD regard can void one's trademark (as happened with xerox and kleenex, to name a couple.)  D If you're really interested I could dig up a couple of URLs for you.   WWWebb  % <the reply-to address is quite real.)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:29:44 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>& Subject: Re: ITRC - VMS Patch Database6 Message-ID: <40624418.43140BCB@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   labadie wrote: >  > Ouk wrote: > > Hi,  > > D > > I'm having a few problems using the ITRC site to find the latestF > > OpenVMS patches for the various versions we run on customer sites.J > > Apart from the fact that the site appears to have been unavailable forI > > a good part of the last 48-hours (a 7.3-1 patch search would report a0H > > "System Unavailable" message), some of the information appears to be > > incorrect. > > H > > Does anybody know where I can find a list of released 7.1-2 patches? > >SB > > Also the 7.3 Alpha Master ECO List only contains a list of VAXF > > patches! I've had to browse the entire patch list and sort through > > which patches are required.e > >IG > > Can't say I'm too happy with the new Email notifications either - I E > > had no notification of a new TDF patch released on Friday. RatherdI > > annoying considering daylight savings changes are due to occur in theA > > UK this weekend. > >s > > Bah! > >p > > Ouk.2 > me too, I can't say that I am fully satisfied... > ; > I have emailed the ITRC, and has been given a log number.$G > My problem: on monday I went to a customer's site for an upgrade fromAG > 7.1 to 7.3-2, and downloaded all the patches for 7.3-2 in a zip file. + > I had pcsi V1, Dcl V1, sys V1 and update.S > F > after the upgrade in Vms 7.3-2, I applied the patches one by one andJ > rebooted each time, and of course, after applying sys V1, the boot hang,0 > as detailed in the releases notes of sys V2... > H > I am convinced this problem has been known to HP for a moment, and theI > patch sys V1 was still available, whle it should have been on hold. Thet" > patch sys V2 appeared on Monday.  F ITRC remains a very sore point. Carly is aware(!!) of it. Address your  comments to George P., Cc Carly.   -- R David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2004 20:44:44 -0800# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley)-& Subject: Re: ITRC - VMS Patch Database= Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0403242044.34617356@posting.google.com>   ` Ouk@netscape.net (Ouk) wrote in message news:<a6a0db3.0403240348.4e8432c7@posting.google.com>... > Hi,o > B > I'm having a few problems using the ITRC site to find the latestD > OpenVMS patches for the various versions we run on customer sites.H > Apart from the fact that the site appears to have been unavailable forG > a good part of the last 48-hours (a 7.3-1 patch search would report a/F > "System Unavailable" message), some of the information appears to be > incorrect. > G > Does anybody know where I can find a list of released 7.1-2 patches? t > @ > Also the 7.3 Alpha Master ECO List only contains a list of VAXD > patches! I've had to browse the entire patch list and sort through > which patches are required.M > E > Can't say I'm too happy with the new Email notifications either - IKC > had no notification of a new TDF patch released on Friday. Rather@G > annoying considering daylight savings changes are due to occur in the> > UK this weekend. >  > Bah! >  > Ouk.E For some reason the Sydney Customer Support Centre always seems to bee the best place to find these.A! http://ftp.support.compaq.com.au/t Phil   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 04:09:35 GMTi6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler># Subject: Re: ODS-5 after five yearso@ Message-ID: <09f8c2fb91f2f3a78f9047e005b1080f@news.teranews.com>  = In article <3ff5fed3.0403230418.38626af1@posting.google.com>,2/  goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) wrote:t  D > "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler> wrote in message > > news:<bc23b850bdb9021a773429b09a058ed6@news.teranews.com>... > M > > > > Post on comp.os.vms with a subject indicating about your patch, and aeN > > > > maintainer may show up.  Hunter Goatley seems to be doing some work inO > > > > that area, if not the patches themselves, assisting in the coordinationW > > > > of them. > > H > > 2.)  Info-ZIP, but there've been no releases since 1999, so I'm not % > > sure what effect this would have.  > > D > Actually, active development on the Info-ZIP programs is currentlyF > underway.  Things have been slow for quite a while, but new blood inC > the group has released new beta versions recently, with a plan to.D > release new versions very soon.  If you have patches available forD > ODS-5 support, you can send them to me and I'll forward them on to > the current maintainers.  6 The patch against the GNV version of the code is here:  I http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=2506&atid=302506&fil  e_id=80795&aid=920330e  G but I think GNV already includes some changes from the Info-ZIP sources + so I'll send you separate patches off-list.m   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2004 12:49:50 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) " Subject: Re: Running with the Borg3 Message-ID: <0TChwvyAv1WF@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <c3s9p0$2b16h6$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:> > Bob Koehler wrote:* >>    TurboTax for Macintosh.  Good stuff. >> f > G > No Swiss version I'm afraid. Given the complexity of different taxes cI > according to Canton and multilingual requirements, I can't say I blame   > them. :-)M      culto   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2004 12:26:12 -0800- From: soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume)s" Subject: Re: Running with the Borg= Message-ID: <f401eb7f.0403241226.64a6179e@posting.google.com>   l Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in message news:<c3s9p0$2b16h6$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>... > Bob Koehler wrote:k > > In article <c3p3gv$28mtf5$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:p > >  > > L > >>I can file my tax return online nowadays. Dead easy they say. Ha! As if M > >>I would! Add to that, sorry no Mac version available yet. They assure us (K > >>the software they supply is secure, and it probably is. The problem is o > >>what it runs on. > >  > > + > >    TurboTax for Macintosh.  Good stuff.l > >  > G > No Swiss version I'm afraid. Given the complexity of different taxes rI > according to Canton and multilingual requirements, I can't say I blame e > them. :-)I  	 TaxCut...t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:41:25 +0800g1 From: Tim Sneddon <tsneddon@bsd.infomedia.com.au>r( Subject: Re: Server hang - compute bound: Message-ID: <c3t9rl$2cnvda$4@ID-229879.news.uni-berlin.de>   Martin Kirby wrote:-I >>I installed V3.00 of the graphics patch and the problem went away. Thata= >>was when I was running OpenVMS V7.3-1 and DECwindows V1.3. p >  > Q > Interesting, I wasn't aware that the VMS731_GRAPHICS-V0300 patch was compatiblewQ > with DECwindows V1.3. DECwindows V1.3 has the X11R6.6 updates to the server and9  L The patch kit is for OpenVMS V7.3-1 and as far as I know the only version of* DECwindows that works with V7.3-1 is V1.3.  N > the patch kit includes an image that DECwindows V1.3 replaced. I assume PCSIG > causes the file from V1.3 to be used and not that from the patch kit.   Q I'm not really sure what it really did. The patch description said it was for theVK Raedon card. All I know is that it since then everything seemed to be fine.tF However, like I said, I'm now on OpenVMS V7.3-2 and DECwindows V1.3-1.  
 Regards, Tim.,   --  G Tim Sneddon                                tsneddon[at]infomedia.com.aueG Systems Programmer                  Infomedia Business Systems DivisionoG                          Level 3, 823 Wellington St, West Perth WA 60052G                           Phone: +61 8 9217 5000   Fax: +61 8 9217 5055A   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:51:15 -0600L@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> Subject: TEMPERATURE_VECTORt6 Message-ID: <40624923.768C5C4C@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>  B I recall reading somewhere that the "*mumble* not loaded" messagesG produced by F$GETSYI( "temperature_vector" ) on some systems was a signeC of bug(?) in STARTUP.COM, one of its elements, or some such. I juste) don't remember where I read it (Eisner?).   G I'm developing some new system monitoring proc.'s and wanted to be ablea< to have folks get paged when system temp.'s go out of range.  F Does anyone know how to get this working on an all Alphas that provide	 the data?s   -- l David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/S   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 03:32:08 GMTr& From: Lee Mah <lytmah@telusplanet.net> Subject: Re: TEMPERATURE_VECTORe* Message-ID: <Yos8c.3479$%w2.3112@clgrps13>  > On the ES45, the "temperature_ventor" lexical no longer works.D When we had AS1200's, I was able to extract the temperature and sendJ notification to myself.  I set the alert threshold lower than the computerA centre A/C thresholds, so that sometimes I wound up notifying theyK A/C people of  potential temperature problems before their alarms went off.r5 I asked HP Support but they didn't have a resolution.      David J. Dachtera wrote:  C >I recall reading somewhere that the "*mumble* not loaded" messagesyH >produced by F$GETSYI( "temperature_vector" ) on some systems was a signD >of bug(?) in STARTUP.COM, one of its elements, or some such. I just* >don't remember where I read it (Eisner?). >eH >I'm developing some new system monitoring proc.'s and wanted to be able= >to have folks get paged when system temp.'s go out of range.  >wG >Does anyone know how to get this working on an all Alphas that provide4
 >the data? >  >  m >e   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2004 12:51:20 -0800+ From: shoppa@trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa)   Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?= Message-ID: <bec993c8.0403241251.682b42f6@posting.google.com>    mist dragon wrote:E > I believe HP is afraid of updating the figure and it may as well bey > 40K now than 400K.  3 Actually, that *should* be something to brag about.e  B In the 90's many multi-node VAXClusters got replaced with a single! Alpha box.  10 licenses become 1.t  E But the new Alpha handles more transactions than the old cluster, and. has more "end users".S  J Admittedly the business model is different than selling PC's with Windows,G where the trend is to require more and more CPU's and thus more WindowslF licenses just to get the same amount of work done that one machine didB a decade ago.  While this makes Microsoft a lot of money, and someE intermediate vendors rake cash in too, the customer ends up losing ind( terms of license cost and support costs.  E In sum: it's a *good* thing to have fewer machines doing the same (orc% more) work.  Unless you're Microsoft.0   Tim.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2004 13:01:20 -0800+ From: shoppa@trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa)h  Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ?= Message-ID: <bec993c8.0403241249.6bfe082a@posting.google.com>a   mist dragon wrote:E > I believe HP is afraid of updating the figure and it may as well beh > 40K now than 400K.  3 Actually, that *should* be something to brag about.V  B In the 90's many multi-node VAXClusters got replaced with a single! Alpha box.  10 licenses become 1.0  E But the new Alpha handles more transactions than the old cluster, andc has more "end users".s  J Admittedly the business model is different than selling PC's with Windows,G where the trend is to require more and more CPU's and thus more WindowsWF licenses just to get the same amount of work done that one machine didB a decade ago.  While this makes Microsoft a lot of money, and someE intermediate vendors rake cash in too, the customer ends up losing ino( terms of license cost and support costs.  E In sum: it's a *good* thing to have fewer machines doing the same (ori% more) work.  Unless you're Microsoft.h   Tim.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:33:48 -0500e' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>1  Subject: RE: Toys R Us and VMS ?R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB2C6938@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----7 > From: Tim Shoppa [mailto:shoppa@trailing-edge.com]=20  > Sent: March 24, 2004 4:01 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComF" > Subject: Re: Toys R Us and VMS ? >=20 > mist dragon wrote:J > > I believe HP is afraid of updating the figure and it may as well be=20 > > 40K now than 400K. >=205 > Actually, that *should* be something to brag about.e >=20@ > In the 90's many multi-node VAXClusters got replaced with a=20* > single Alpha box.  10 licenses become 1. >=20= > But the new Alpha handles more transactions than the old=20b$ > cluster, and has more "end users". >=20A > Admittedly the business model is different than selling PC's=20o> > with Windows, where the trend is to require more and more=20> > CPU's and thus more Windows licenses just to get the same=20B > amount of work done that one machine did a decade ago.  While=20? > this makes Microsoft a lot of money, and some intermediate=20s= > vendors rake cash in too, the customer ends up losing in=20e* > terms of license cost and support costs. >=20G > In sum: it's a *good* thing to have fewer machines doing the same (oro' > more) work.  Unless you're Microsoft.y >=20 > Tim. >=20   Tim,  E Actually, the trend these days is to *drastically* reduce the overall/7 numbers of servers in almost all med-large enterprises.2  G "How do I reduce the numbers of Windows Servers we have?" is the numberlA 1 request I get when talking to Customers about IT Consolidation.   A Typical Cust numbers are "I want to reduce the numbers of windowsn- servers from 500-300 - how can I do this?"=20l  G So, you are right about the traditional server numbers not being a goodSF judge of how important that platform is to the company. If one were toA look at the numbers of servers, you might state that this companysE talking about reducing Windows servers was de-emphasizing Windows.=20    They were not.  F Another example - One large Customer in a mission critical environmentG in Toronto did a big VAX to Alpha migration last year and reduced theirtF 10 VAX's to a 3 node ES45 OpenVMS cluster.  If one were to look at theH numbers of servers, you might state that this company was de-emphasizing OpenVMS.=20M   They were not.=20t  E On the contrary, they were actually *increasing* their dependency andnF trust in that OS platform by using the HA  and scalability features of= newer, but much fewer, servers to reduce their overall costs.d   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantm HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660S Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcomo. (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2004 15:38:21 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)Q Subject: Re: which systems have the best track record - sun vs dec/q/hp vms alpha.= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0403241538.766a634c@posting.google.com>s  [ bob <sfmc68@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<QUd8c.1406$Wb4.397@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...aI > I konw this is a comp.os.vms news group but pardon my question please, l. > my application is really OS and CPU neutral. > H > I have various sun boxes in my shop ranging from 3400s to 6800s to 10  > and 15K boxes.J > I have a various Dec/Q/HP boxes in my shop all at least quad cpu boxes, G > and a fair number of larger boxes with at least 32 cpus - just about n: > every alpha box made by the various incarnations of dec. > G > I have a box and os neutral application that runs oracle, that is my  I > only stipulation.  What I am after is what system provides me the best l@ > (no matter what you use for the definition) real availability G > environment.  I can use a few clusters, I can use a large cluster, I  F > have jsut about complete freedom of choice on the the base for this I > application, but I don't know which is more reliable, and thus able to G > be more avialble.  > I > Which os has the least crashes? which boxes are the most reliable, and e > yes this will be clustered?o >  > thanks > boba  @ I have been on VMS for over 19 years now without an os crash ...@ who else can say that?  If you read the latest techwise study on6 tco for clusters and security, VMS is a no brainer ...   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 23:26:18 GMT  From: bob <sfmc68@verizon.net>Y Subject: Re: which systems have the best track record - sun vs dec/q/hp vms alpha alphaaly7 Message-ID: <uOo8c.14245$bX5.4350@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>/   Bob K, Bria T, Dr D,$ Thanks for your thoughtful comments.H Yes, of course there is some level of politics, and your responses give E me some ammunition.  The VMS idea essentially means load up the app, TI make sure it is installed right, let it rip and sometimes do a check and c see if the db needs any tuning.l  F The "percieved" cost of ownership issue is a fun one to try and work, G but since we have the machines in place, the available cycles, and all -G that - I think it comes down to O&M costs - I don't think there is any iI more electrical cost, there is disk space, no more ac or additional real PI sys admin stuff on a running app, so... the issue will probably be which cD one is more reliable - and then the definition of reliable will get  tweaked.  G Brian thanks for the comment on the drives, I can pull out that stat...M for all the sys.  H I thank you all for collaborating with me on this, I have some ammo now I to prepare for the discussion, and some stat areas to look at that I had n not thought of.   E I was hoping that someone would pipe in with either some positive or  J some negative experiences, since there seem to be so many mixed shops now.
 Thanks again!  bobc   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2004 12:54:12 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)x. Subject: Re:  500,000,000 fine for Micro$oft.3 Message-ID: <faDegWtLCK5L@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <Wji8c.15502$t16.8742679@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes: > L > We all need to start worrying if the government starts designing software. >   H    You'ld either better start worrying, or hope folks like me are really    good at fixing it.n   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.166 ************************