1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 25 Mar 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 167       Contents: Re: :-) BOFH needs VMS Re: :-) BOFH needs VMSP Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A4_500=2C000=2C000_fine_for_Micro=24?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?oft=2EP Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A4_500=2C000=2C000_fine_for_Micro=24?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?oft=2E' Re: Alpha Systems roadmap --> HP UX ???  Re: Console connect to PWS500au  RE: Console connect to PWS500au  Device names in OVMS ??  Re: Device names in OVMS ?? % Re: Extremely Frustrated with EMC SAN % Re: Extremely Frustrated with EMC SAN P Re: HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of  VeteranAffairs-(P Re: HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of Veteran     AffaiP Re: HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of VeteranAffairs-(OP Re: HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of VeteranAffairs-(OP Re: HP Awarded 10 year, $784 Million OpenVMS Services Contract by US Department P Re: HP Awarded 10 year, $784 Million OpenVMS Services Contract by US Department ) Re: Is VMS a trademark of HP/COMPAQ/DEC ? ) Re: Is VMS a trademark of HP/COMPAQ/DEC ? ) Re: Is VMS a trademark of HP/COMPAQ/DEC ? ) Re: Is VMS a trademark of HP/COMPAQ/DEC ? ) Re: Is VMS a trademark of HP/COMPAQ/DEC ? ) Re: Is VMS a trademark of HP/COMPAQ/DEC ? ) Re: Is VMS a trademark of HP/COMPAQ/DEC ?  Re: ITRC - VMS Patch Database  Re: ITRC - VMS Patch Database # Re: JBoss 3.2.3 on OpenVMS 7.3-1??? ! Re: ncurses support for ovms ????  OT: HP embraces Linux even more # Re: OT: HP embraces Linux even more # Re: OT: HP embraces Linux even more # Re: OT: HP embraces Linux even more # OT: IBM courting MPE/3000 customers ' Re: OT: IBM courting MPE/3000 customers $ PWS500 LAT Problem after VMS upgrade( Re: PWS500 LAT Problem after VMS upgrade( RE: PWS500 LAT Problem after VMS upgrade( Re: PWS500 LAT Problem after VMS upgrade' Re: reading VMS backups on UNIX -- HELP  Re: Securing files under VMS Re: Securing files under VMS Re: Securing files under VMS Re: Server hang - compute bound  Re: Sybase on VMS  Re: Sybase on VMS 5 Re: TCPIP 5.4 and new shadowing features: ALPHA only? 0 Re: virtual pc for mac (was: Re: Spam form kerry< Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CD  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:31:36 +0000 * From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> Subject: Re: :-) BOFH needs VMS ' Message-ID: <c3u5eu$bll$1@lore.csc.com>    Peter Weaver wrote:  >  > tc wrote: 6 > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/30/36469.html > 3 > Now there is someone who really needs CHARON-VAX.   H Ah, replace the hardware with something dependent on an operating system" with the half-life of a dragonfly.  F You know, we've got REAL VMS hardware that has had longer uptimes than5 Micro$oft's official operating system support policy?   H Where does that place all these "current" platforms when Foghorn Leghorn1 finally comes out, or whatever it's called today.   G Strangely enough, the BOFH story closely resembles an experience when a E dungeon mapping program was lost, while learning the value of backups E and third party hardware. It was a long time ago. However we did have  maintenance.   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:58:36 -0500 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> Subject: Re: :-) BOFH needs VMS . Message-ID: <40629F3C.13994.44512DC@localhost>  / On 24 Mar 2004 at 21:00, ssj152 (stuart) wrote:   E > Also, why run a vintage game on an emulator if you can do it on the 
 > real thing?   E Because it's smaller?  More portable?  Takes less power?  Might work  $ for another X years on new hardware?  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------   Date: 25 Mar 2004 14:56:01 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)Y Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A4_500=2C000=2C000_fine_for_Micro=24?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?oft=2E : Message-ID: <c3uru0$2be9mb$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>  : In article <c3ujcu$2c2517$1@id-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>,- 	Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:  >  >>  M >> Q: Do we think that MS will actually ever pay this fine, or indeed fulfill , >> its obligations under the dcree - ever ??  G Knowing some of the differences between the EU and the US court systems H I suspect the answer is yes.  Having just returned from Germany (a greatG vacation!) I was able to read much about this case in the papers and it D seemed to me one of the primary reasons for the huge fine was the MSF attitude that they should not be required to play bu the same rules asF other companies and an apparent open contempt for the EU Court system.   >>   > + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14950  > @ > "US politicos tell European Union to get off Microsoft's back"  A I'll bet the EU members will all have a good laugh over that one.      bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:30:21 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>Y Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A4_500=2C000=2C000_fine_for_Micro=24?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?oft=2E : Message-ID: <c3ujcu$2c2517$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   Dr. Dweeb wrote: > Paul Sture wrote:  >  >>Dr. Dweeb wrote: >> >>>Tom Linden wrote: >>>  >>> G >>>>Which is slightly less than 1% of the cash in the bank.  It appears B >>>>that the market doesn't feel it is all that important since it >>>>closed higher. >>>> >>>  >>> D >>>However, for smaller companies in the media player market withoutE >>>$50B in the bank, it is good news, since it might stop M$s dubious F >>>behaviour - I do not think anything will alter the behaviour of theF >>>corporation short of a few well placed bullets, and even then it is% >>>doubtful - but a start is a start.  >>>  >>5 >>Real are suing Microsoft for a billion dollars too:  >>3 >>http://news.com.com/2100-1025-5129316.html?tag=nl  >  > F > A good coverage - amazing that MS and its executives are not in jailG > already.  Perhaps anti-trust legislation should include jail-time for H > recalcitrant executives who take no notice of judgements against theirI > corporate employers, like environmental law does in many countries.  It E > might straighten them up (but I doubt it, since fraud and theft are N > apparently rife in US business (worldcom, enron etc) and there is definitely  > jail-time for these offences). > F > The Real case might be in better shape now that the EU has basically2 > supported their position with a big fine for MS. > L > Q: Do we think that MS will actually ever pay this fine, or indeed fulfill+ > its obligations under the dcree - ever ??  >   ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14950   > "US politicos tell European Union to get off Microsoft's back"   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Mar 2004 10:26:16 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) 0 Subject: Re: Alpha Systems roadmap --> HP UX ???= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0403251026.3a7d2bbf@posting.google.com>   X Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:<c33lcj$1ksi$1@biggoron.nerim.net>...N > As a member of the HP DSPP program, I received this morning a protected link ... ) > There are five slides in this document. P > The two first ones actually present the Alpha Systems roadmap, the three next 2 > ones present the HP UX 11 v3 update and roadmap. > 
 > No comment.   D I took a look. The first 2 slides explain the EV79-to-EV7z change inF plans. The last 3 explain the HP-UX 11i v2 and v3 schedule. (v3 is theD point where the AdvFS and TruCluster technologies will be in HP-UX.)  D For us VMS folks, there is nothing of interest in the last 3 slides.1 Tru64 folks may find the v3 schedule of interest.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:05:09 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>( Subject: Re: Console connect to PWS500au: Message-ID: <c3u7c6$2cqi2k$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   Tom Linden wrote: 7 > I am try to connect using a hyperterminal on a W2K to < > the console port of a PWS500au running 7.3-1, I have tried< > a variety of settings.  Anybody know what these should be? > It comes in on TTA0  >  >    Tom,  I HyperTerm that comes with Windows is a somewhat crippled affair. You can  > get the improved Personal Edition (free for personal use) from  ( http://www.hilgraeve.com/htpe/index.html  ; Also available are TeraTerm and Putty which can be found at   & http://www.goatley.com/hunter/w2k.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 06:14:56 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ( Subject: RE: Console connect to PWS500au9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIEEPNCPAA.tom@kednos.com>   J Thanks, Didier, that occurred to me later.  Tru64 has a function, consvar,J which allows you to show/set the SRM console variables, that would be nice
 for VMS.       -----Original Message-----+   From: Didier Morandi [mailto:no@spam.com] )   Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 9:00 PM    To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com *   Subject: Re: Console connect to PWS500au         Tom Linden wrote:    9   > I am try to connect using a hyperterminal on a W2K to >   > the console port of a PWS500au running 7.3-1, I have tried>   > a variety of settings.  Anybody know what these should be?   > It comes in on TTA0    	   Hi Tom,    D   You should check that the default setting type for the console is    serial, not    graphics.        >>> set console serial       should do it. ?   Default params are 9600/8/N/1 as usual (if my memory is good)       D.   --  4   VAXUS - Your new helpful friend in the DEC Family!4   EHQ: 19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France1         Phone: +336 7983 6418 Fax: +335 6154 1928 &                   http://www.vaxus.org      --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B   Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004    --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Mar 2004 09:25:14 -0800$ From: anantha.prabhu@hp.com (Ananth)  Subject: Device names in OVMS ??= Message-ID: <e0273250.0403250925.4ae7985a@posting.google.com>    Hi,   B Would like to know, how the devices are named in OVMS. When a tapeB device is recognized as MKH100, what does each and every character? represents? What  exactly the last numerical numbers represent?   ? If I connect a scsi tape autoloader to an OVMS system, will the B controller of the autoloader get detected as a device? If yes what@ will be the device name for the controller of any autoloader? IfB controller is not auotomatically detected, then what configuration- needs to be done to recognize it as a device?    Thanks and Regards Ananth   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Mar 2004 12:17:03 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org$ Subject: Re: Device names in OVMS ??3 Message-ID: <SaV5MtQ+l2gb@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <c3v5r3$sik$05$1@news.t-online.com>, "Reinhard Eigner" <antispam@garnix.de> writes:E >> Would like to know, how the devices are named in OVMS. When a tape E >> device is recognized as MKH100, what does each and every character B >> represents? What  exactly the last numerical numbers represent? > ( > D -> device type (D=disk, M=tape, ...)@ > K -> bus type (K=scsi, Q=ide, V=floppy disk, s=shadowset, ...) > A -> "number" of controller  > 0  -> unit number   ? With SCSI devices there is a further convention.  The SCSI unit C number and the SCSI logical unit number are encoded together into a $ three decimal digit VMS unit number.  * So disk unit 0, LUN 0 is likely to be DKA0  and disk unit 1, LUN 0 is DKA1001 and a tape drive on unit 2, LUN 0 might be MKA200 . and its robot on unit 2, LUN 1 might be MKA201  G MKH100 would likely be the eighth SCSI BUS (MKA-MKI being the first 7),  SCSI unit 1, LUN 0.   * I wouldn't swear to the eight SCSI busses.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Mar 2004 03:00:50 -0800, From: kor.rinkens@vodafone.com (Kor Rinkens). Subject: Re: Extremely Frustrated with EMC SAN= Message-ID: <d69b99f3.0403250300.296f39c4@posting.google.com>   ~ "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<4062414B.98F99E00@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>... > Rob Young wrote: > > U > > In article <_3P7c.429$wg1.275@edtnps84>, Lee Mah <lytmah@telusplanet.net> writes:  > >  > > L > > > Now, the problem with EMC shadow sets.  If a node crashes, each shadowG > > > set comprised of EMC-EMC members went into mount verification and L > > > took over 12 hours to do full shadow merges.  The EMC-HSJ shadows tookQ > > > from 1.5 to 5 hours to full merge.  The HSJ-HSJ shadows went into minimerge K > > > and recovered to normalcy within six seconds.  Of course, the EMC-EMC J > > > shadow problem also applies to HP SAN disks.  HP is supposed to haveE > > > a retro-fit available for this problem some time in the future.  > > * > >         Regarding EMC-EMC full merges. > > J > >         There is something bizarro lurking in the bowels of the shadow5 > >         code.  That isn't too technical - I know.  > > H > >         But empirically, if you DON'T do something about the EMC-EMCK > >         merges they will drag on for a very long time (unless of course ) > >         the DSA is busy - see below).  > > L > >         My fix was/is to force IO to the DSA.  What I believe I am doingA > >         of course is forcing reads to both shadow members and G > >         forcing the merge fence to move along.  It isn't unusual to H > >         do $ MONI CLUST or MONI DISK and watch 1,2,3, 5 IO/sec goingF > >         to the DSA in question prior to action.  After action, youN > >         see 150-200 IO/sec (127 block io).  It then slows down again, findJ > >         another large file (or touch the whole disk).  Action like so: > > - > >            $ spawn/nowait/input=nla0:   - H > >                 backup dsan:[directory]largefile.ext nla0:t.bck/save > > Q > >         With above technique I've merged pretty full (80%+) 36 Gig volumes in C > >         3 hours (or less - can't recall exact wall clock time).  > > S > >         I believe if there is a lot of IO to the DSA (IO other than forced IO), I > >         the merge will proceed quite quickly.  My experience has been 0 > >         off-peak - hence little IO activity. > E > My experience jibes with that. When a shadow-set was in full merge, E > BACKUP ran against it. After 15 hours, it only at the 24% mark, and - > after 16 hours it was complete - go figure.     @ For a quick merge you can change/define the following parameters  #   "SHAD$MERGE_DELAY_FACTOR" = "800" *   "SHAD$MERGE_DELAY_FACTOR_DSA21" = "2500"  @ where you can define the parameter for each disk separatly. NoteE setting this parameter to high can have influence on you application, % so be careful with what you are doing   D Bye the way, we have a vms san cluster running, 2 es40 with 2 hsg80,F connected via switches and emc's, where emc handles the zoning off the? disks. On one of the HSG80 we do mirroring, and we do hostbased # shadowing. Al of those works great, , Open VMS version is 7.3-1 with new patches,   ; DEC AXPVMS VMS731_ACRTL V3.0        Patch       Install      08-DEC-2003 21:51:26; DEC AXPVMS VMS731_SYS V5.0          Patch       Install      08-DEC-2003 21:46:09; DEC AXPVMS VMS731_UPDATE V2.0       Patch       Install      08-DEC-2003 21:45:40; DEC AXPVMS VMS731_PCSI V1.0         Patch       Install      08-DEC-2003 21:44:33  F with the old fibre_scsi v3.0 patch we had sometimes a short connection> problem between the shadow members, after installing the above' patches, this problem is almost solved.   B A few years ago we had a vms cluster with was connected to the emc through a fibre card.      Regards Kor    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Mar 2004 10:35:11 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) . Subject: Re: Extremely Frustrated with EMC SAN3 Message-ID: <y8xDxuhmIBuP@eisner.encompasserve.org>   l In article <d69b99f3.0403250300.296f39c4@posting.google.com>, kor.rinkens@vodafone.com (Kor Rinkens) writes: > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<4062414B.98F99E00@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>... >> Rob Young wrote:  >> >  V >> > In article <_3P7c.429$wg1.275@edtnps84>, Lee Mah <lytmah@telusplanet.net> writes: >> >   >> >  M >> > > Now, the problem with EMC shadow sets.  If a node crashes, each shadow H >> > > set comprised of EMC-EMC members went into mount verification andM >> > > took over 12 hours to do full shadow merges.  The EMC-HSJ shadows took R >> > > from 1.5 to 5 hours to full merge.  The HSJ-HSJ shadows went into minimergeL >> > > and recovered to normalcy within six seconds.  Of course, the EMC-EMCK >> > > shadow problem also applies to HP SAN disks.  HP is supposed to have F >> > > a retro-fit available for this problem some time in the future. >> >  + >> >         Regarding EMC-EMC full merges.  >> >  K >> >         There is something bizarro lurking in the bowels of the shadow 6 >> >         code.  That isn't too technical - I know. >> >  I >> >         But empirically, if you DON'T do something about the EMC-EMC L >> >         merges they will drag on for a very long time (unless of course* >> >         the DSA is busy - see below). >> >  M >> >         My fix was/is to force IO to the DSA.  What I believe I am doing B >> >         of course is forcing reads to both shadow members andH >> >         forcing the merge fence to move along.  It isn't unusual toI >> >         do $ MONI CLUST or MONI DISK and watch 1,2,3, 5 IO/sec going G >> >         to the DSA in question prior to action.  After action, you O >> >         see 150-200 IO/sec (127 block io).  It then slows down again, find K >> >         another large file (or touch the whole disk).  Action like so:  >> >  . >> >            $ spawn/nowait/input=nla0:   -I >> >                 backup dsan:[directory]largefile.ext nla0:t.bck/save  >> >  R >> >         With above technique I've merged pretty full (80%+) 36 Gig volumes inD >> >         3 hours (or less - can't recall exact wall clock time). >> >  T >> >         I believe if there is a lot of IO to the DSA (IO other than forced IO),J >> >         the merge will proceed quite quickly.  My experience has been1 >> >         off-peak - hence little IO activity.  >>  F >> My experience jibes with that. When a shadow-set was in full merge,F >> BACKUP ran against it. After 15 hours, it only at the 24% mark, and. >> after 16 hours it was complete - go figure. >  > B > For a quick merge you can change/define the following parameters > % >   "SHAD$MERGE_DELAY_FACTOR" = "800" , >   "SHAD$MERGE_DELAY_FACTOR_DSA21" = "2500" > B > where you can define the parameter for each disk separatly. NoteG > setting this parameter to high can have influence on you application, ' > so be careful with what you are doing  >    	Yeah - know all about those.  	  	Basically, there is@ 	no application (or other) IO occuring and the merges are still & 	dragging on.  delay_factor's purpose:  < http://h71000.www7.hp.com/DOC/731FINAL/5423/5423pro_013.html  O Because of this major distinction from a copy operation, the shadowing software N implicitly places a higher priority on user activity to the shadow set. VolumeL Shadowing for OpenVMS does this by detecting and evaluating system load, andL then dynamically controlling or throttling the merge operation so that other/ I/O activity can proceed without interference.    > 	The merge isn't competing with anything other than itself and1 	still drags on forever.  Bizarro code somewhere.    				Rob    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:49:15 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> Y Subject: Re: HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of  VeteranAffairs-( F Message-ID: <LjC8c.46754$5ze.900@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:40622070.E361A9B9@istop.com... I > This is what Dows Jones Newswire carried: (note omission of the ____VMS  and  > Alphaserver words. >  > A >      HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract By Department Of C >      Veteran Affairs HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract By ' >      Department Of Veteran Affairs -2  >    <snip>  K Refering to an earlier post to Kerry in a branch of this thread, I told you  so.   L HP - See what happens when you let some wet-behind-the-ears news wire editorG hack away at your press release? The budding junior executive has never < heard of VMS or Alpha, so he chops it out as irrelevant.....  J The only reliable way of getting your message out is to advertise and name your product directly.  " Which leads me to another point...H Today, in my local newspaper, HP placed a three full pages of full-colorC advertising on consecutively odd-numbered pages talking about their L 'Adaptive Enterprise'. No mention of specific products, no contact telephoneK number, only one url in tiny print on the last page, and the way the ad was L worded one might have got the impression that all one had to do is go to theG corner PeeCee store, order a few HP PC's and all your problems would be  instantly solved.   J Who are the morons that write this drivel that masquerades as advertising;J Who are the morons that approve the expenditure of money on such meaningly
 gibberish?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:06:12 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>Y Subject: Re: HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of Veteran     Affai 2 Message-ID: <c3u0d5$ar3$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Didier,   N I will try to remember that. It happens when I not only post a message in the M newsgroup, but send a copy of that message to the author as well at the same  J time. My standard setting for mail is Return Receipt enabled, and in this P situation the Return Receipt setting is also added to the news posting. I'm not N happy with that either, since I get a lot of ACK and NACK messages send to my  mailbox.  = Maybe it as a bug in Mozilla, and I should file a bug report.    Regards, Dirk   Didier Morandi wrote: G > Dirk, could you disable that boring ACK request when posting in this   > newsgroup? > Merci. >  > D. >  > Dirk Munk wrote: > F >> Congratulations once again Sue, this is great news for the OpenVMS 6 >> team at HP (and for us in the group too of course). >>H >> Mike Kear from HP was even quicker announcing this news in the group  >> :-) . >>E >> Some naughty guy at the press office was even able to smuggle the  ? >> words OpenVMS and Alphaserver in the announcement! Wooow :-)  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 02:24:51 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>Y Subject: Re: HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of VeteranAffairs-(O ) Message-ID: <40627B17.DEF7A521@istop.com>    Dirk Munk wrote:O > I will try to remember that. It happens when I not only post a message in the N > newsgroup, but send a copy of that message to the author as well at the same > time.   N There are many who really dislike this. If one posts in a newsgroup, he/she/itN expects a response in a newsgroup. This is especially true of people with spamK counter measures. When you reply to a post and fix the reply-to address, it L means that original poster's real email address appears in the newsgroup and  is thus collected by harverters.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 03:01:23 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>Y Subject: Re: HP Awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of VeteranAffairs-(O ) Message-ID: <406283A4.9353B557@istop.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > M > This is what Dows Jones Newswire carried: (note omission of the ____VMS and  > Alphaserver words.  M The dows jones news item that was without mention of VMS has already scrolled L off the list of relevant press releases associated with HP given in the NYSE	 web site. , http://www.nyse.com/cgi-bin/ny_quote?sym=hpq  < Searching for HP news items on yahoo, I found the following:8 http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3330641+ Again, a version that lacks mention of VMS.   9 http://www.line56.com/articles/default.asp?ArticleID=5489 L This one mentions VMS and alpha servers as well as additional details on theM contract. (Yes, MUMPS is mentioned). But there is repeated emphasis that this H isn't really a "new adaptive enterprise" bit, but rather just supportingJ existing hardware/software that does the job. (i.e. stating this is legacy! without using the word "legacy").     I http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=18401553 K Yeah ! it mentions Alpha clusters and VMS. But it also mentions part of the # work done in the Philipines :-) :-)     O http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040324/bs_nm/markets_stocks_dc_35 M This one doesn't mention VMS, it talks about tech stock mini rally started by N the HP announcement of that 784 million contract.  To HP's Carly/Stallard/etc,; it shows that VMS is capable of moving HP's stock price up.   G http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040324/bs_nm/tech_hp_dc_2 A This is a reuters article. No mention of VMS, very short article.    ------------------------------   Date: 25 Mar 2004 08:16:53 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>Y Subject: Re: HP Awarded 10 year, $784 Million OpenVMS Services Contract by US Department  ? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-XnQg17LZLIWB@dave2_os2.home.ours>   D On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:41:02 UTC, "Mike Kier" <michael.kier@hp.com>  wrote:   ....  D  HP has been an infrastructure, consulting and services provider to  the VAL > since 1983 through its work on the Decentralized Hospital Computer ProgramE > (DHCP) and Enhanced Decentralized Hospital Computer Program (EDHCP) N > contracts. Over time, HP and the VA have collaborated closely to continuallyL > evolve the VA's IT environment and have successfully deployed HP's OpenVMSK > clusters on AlphaServer systems to build an adaptive environment that has F > increased performance, utilizes 64-bit architecture and has enhancedE > reliability and up-time. As part of this latest agreement, HP takes J > responsibility for maintenance and support for all hardware and software, > products that comprise the VistA solution.   ...   
 > About HP > D > HP is a technology solutions provider to consumers, businesses andH > institutions globally. The company's offerings span IT infrastructure,H > personal computing and access devices, global services and imaging andK > printing. For the fiscal year ending on Oct. 31, 2003, HP revenue totaled F > $73.1 billion. More information about HP is available at www.hp.com.    ? Whoopee a VMS relevant announcement. But I have a whinge and a   suggestion.   E Whinge - I was beginning to get bored reading it. I'm really pleased  B its VMS, perhaps this technical detail could have been introduced D earlier. If I were paranoid, I might even start reading it as if HP E wanted to hide the fact that a customer had chosen VMS over HP-UX or   some other HP 'solution'.    e.g.  F "Under the VistA Maintenance and Expertise Center (VMEC) contract, HP F Services will provide support and maintenance to the mission critical F VistA systems, running under the OpenVMS operating system, helping the> VA deliver vital health care data across the VA's 21 networks.  @ Suggestion: how about an 'About OpenVMS' paragraph, listing its 3 strengths. This would serve a number of purposes :-   7 1. Emphasise the relevance of  VMS in this announcement   & 2. Emphasise that VMS is still in use.  B 3. Emphasise that VMS is still seen as a 'modern' solution with a  future. (10 years in this case)   A 4. VMS is seen in the text more than once as opposed to HP which   appears at least 17 times!   --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:50:51 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> Y Subject: Re: HP Awarded 10 year, $784 Million OpenVMS Services Contract by US Department  G Message-ID: <flC8c.46763$5ze.3734@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   = "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> wrote in message 9 news:DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-XnQg17LZLIWB@dave2_os2.home.ours... E > On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:41:02 UTC, "Mike Kier" <michael.kier@hp.com>  > wrote: >  > .... > E >  HP has been an infrastructure, consulting and services provider to  > the VAF > > since 1983 through its work on the Decentralized Hospital Computer Program G > > (DHCP) and Enhanced Decentralized Hospital Computer Program (EDHCP) D > > contracts. Over time, HP and the VA have collaborated closely to continually F > > evolve the VA's IT environment and have successfully deployed HP's OpenVMS I > > clusters on AlphaServer systems to build an adaptive environment that  has H > > increased performance, utilizes 64-bit architecture and has enhancedG > > reliability and up-time. As part of this latest agreement, HP takes L > > responsibility for maintenance and support for all hardware and software. > > products that comprise the VistA solution. >  > ...  >  > > About HP > > F > > HP is a technology solutions provider to consumers, businesses andJ > > institutions globally. The company's offerings span IT infrastructure,J > > personal computing and access devices, global services and imaging andE > > printing. For the fiscal year ending on Oct. 31, 2003, HP revenue  totaled H > > $73.1 billion. More information about HP is available at www.hp.com. >  > @ > Whoopee a VMS relevant announcement. But I have a whinge and a
 > suggestion.  > F > Whinge - I was beginning to get bored reading it. I'm really pleasedC > its VMS, perhaps this technical detail could have been introduced E > earlier. If I were paranoid, I might even start reading it as if HP F > wanted to hide the fact that a customer had chosen VMS over HP-UX or > some other HP 'solution'.  >  > e.g. > G > "Under the VistA Maintenance and Expertise Center (VMEC) contract, HP G > Services will provide support and maintenance to the mission critical H > VistA systems, running under the OpenVMS operating system, helping the@ > VA deliver vital health care data across the VA's 21 networks. > A > Suggestion: how about an 'About OpenVMS' paragraph, listing its 5 > strengths. This would serve a number of purposes :-  > 9 > 1. Emphasise the relevance of  VMS in this announcement  > ( > 2. Emphasise that VMS is still in use. > C > 3. Emphasise that VMS is still seen as a 'modern' solution with a ! > future. (10 years in this case)  > B > 4. VMS is seen in the text more than once as opposed to HP which > appears at least 17 times!    / Rational expectations of an irrational company.   ; Perhaps the company needs to take a course in formal logic.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:14:31 +0100 " From: labadie <labadie_g@decus.fr>2 Subject: Re: Is VMS a trademark of HP/COMPAQ/DEC ?2 Message-ID: <c3u1aa$nol$1@news-reader4.wanadoo.fr>   Daryl Jones wrote: > To Everyone: > G > I am find an increasing number of advertisement for job opportunities F > with companies that are using VMS as an acronym in the job listings. > For example: > $ >    VMS - Vendor Management SystemsD >    VMS - VMS is a world leader in news and advertising informationD > retrieval, providing unique services and products for thousands of@ > public relations firms, advertising agencies, marketers, event# > sponsors and producers worldwide.  > F > A couple of times I have sent emails to these sites and complained.  >  > Sorry for the ranting. > 
 > Regards,
 > Daryl Jones " the Vms Web server Wasd has a site wasd.vsm.com.au   H I was told the people registering this url were not allowed to register  wasd.vms.com.au   I May be mark Daniel (the author) of Wasd could add some information about   that.    regards    Gerard   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:41:39 +0000C* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>2 Subject: Re: Is VMS a trademark of HP/COMPAQ/DEC ?' Message-ID: <c3u61q$bns$1@lore.csc.com>E   Daryl Jones wrote: >   $ >    VMS - Vendor Management SystemsD >    VMS - VMS is a world leader in news and advertising informationD > retrieval, providing unique services and products for thousands of@ > public relations firms, advertising agencies, marketers, event# > sponsors and producers worldwide.r  $ If we're collecting, how about this:  - http://www.vidmedia.com/vms_tape/vms_tape.htma   Video Media Services.d  C A fairly eclectic collection of programme titles if ever I saw any!    -- d? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences- nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:32:07 GMTd# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>i2 Subject: Re: Is VMS a trademark of HP/COMPAQ/DEC ?H Message-ID: <H3C8c.40778$WxP.33644@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  ? "Roert G. Schaffrath" <rschaffrath@yahoo.com> wrote in message/ news:406246E1.2CB7@yahoo.com...  > Daryl Jones wrote: > >S > > To Everyone: > >AI > > I am find an increasing number of advertisement for job opportunitieskH > > with companies that are using VMS as an acronym in the job listings. > > For example: > > & > >    VMS - Vendor Management SystemsF > >    VMS - VMS is a world leader in news and advertising informationF > > retrieval, providing unique services and products for thousands ofB > > public relations firms, advertising agencies, marketers, event% > > sponsors and producers worldwide.  > >TG > > A couple of times I have sent emails to these sites and complained.  > >W > > Sorry for the ranting. > >e > > Regards, > > Daryl JonesV >uJ > Is "Apple" a trademark for a computer company, a record label or a piece > of fruit?   L Now that Apple (the computer company) is now in the music business (iPod andJ downloadable music), Apple (the record company) is somewhat p*issed. ThereE are the beginnings of a trademark infingement suit. Apple (the recordiD company) has about 10-years of 'prior' continuous use of the 'Apple'G trademark in the music business before Apple (the computer company) was- formed.-  F There was a prior agreement between the two companies back in the lateF 1970's - early 1980's on what constituted acceptable use by Apple (the+ computer company) of the trademark 'Apple'.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:37:54 +0100e- From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de>o2 Subject: Re: Is VMS a trademark of HP/COMPAQ/DEC ?9 Message-ID: <c3uqs9$2c88n5$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>e   Nic Clews wrote: > Daryl Jones wrote:% >>    VMS - Vendor Management SystemslE >>    VMS - VMS is a world leader in news and advertising informationyE >> retrieval, providing unique services and products for thousands ofLA >> public relations firms, advertising agencies, marketers, eventg$ >> sponsors and producers worldwide. >l& > If we're collecting, how about this: >r/ > http://www.vidmedia.com/vms_tape/vms_tape.htmp >  > Video Media Services.  >wE > A fairly eclectic collection of programme titles if ever I saw any!,  - http://www.acronymfinder.com/ has a few more:i   Variable Message Sign  Variety Merchandise Show Vault Management System, Vector Management System Vehicle Management Systeme Vehicle Motion Sensoro Vehicle Mount System Velocity Measuring Sonar Vendor Management Systemso Veritas Medicare Servicesa Verkehrsverbund Mittelsachsen  Vertical Marketing Systemg Vessel Monitoring System Video Management Systeme Video Matrix Switch  Video Monitor Subassemblye Virobot Management Server  Visual Memory System Voice Mail Systemr Voice Message System Voice Messaging System Voice Multiplier SystemQG Volcanogenic Massive Sulfide (sulfides of metals deposited by submarinen	 volcanos)i" Voluntary Milking System (Delaval) Vomit Making Systemm( Voyage Management System (Litton Marine)& VPN/Security Management System (Cisco)   cu,:   Martin --@   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de1F    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:58:55 +0100n" From: labadie <labadie_g@decus.fr>2 Subject: Re: Is VMS a trademark of HP/COMPAQ/DEC ?2 Message-ID: <c3ush4$960$1@news-reader5.wanadoo.fr>   Nic Clews wrote: > Daryl Jones wrote: >  > $ >>   VMS - Vendor Management SystemsD >>   VMS - VMS is a world leader in news and advertising informationD >>retrieval, providing unique services and products for thousands of@ >>public relations firms, advertising agencies, marketers, event# >>sponsors and producers worldwide.  >  > & > If we're collecting, how about this: > / > http://www.vidmedia.com/vms_tape/vms_tape.htmt >  > Video Media Services.  > E > A fairly eclectic collection of programme titles if ever I saw any!' > " and Vms seems to be a standard for Voice messaging system   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:39:29 GMTs# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>n2 Subject: Re: Is VMS a trademark of HP/COMPAQ/DEC ?H Message-ID: <BaC8c.46708$5ze.32231@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  D "Daryl Jones" <jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message7 news:8a646952.0403241402.49286ec7@posting.google.com...e > To Everyone: >cG > I am find an increasing number of advertisement for job opportunities1F > with companies that are using VMS as an acronym in the job listings. > For example: > $ >    VMS - Vendor Management SystemsD >    VMS - VMS is a world leader in news and advertising informationD > retrieval, providing unique services and products for thousands of@ > public relations firms, advertising agencies, marketers, event# > sponsors and producers worldwide.m >eE > A couple of times I have sent emails to these sites and complained.     I HP doesn't care is anyone uses VMS in another context. As Mr. Webb pointsn  out below, context is important.  D But more importantly in this case is HP complete lack of interest inI defending its trademark...you see doing that would call attention to HP'scD VMS and that's the last thing HP wants because they want to kill it.  L HP doesn't advertise it, they don't market it, so how could there *possibly*G be 'confusion' in the mind of a knowledgeable or ignorant person in the I computer industry about which VMS is being referred to - everyone *knows*gH that HP's VMS is dead...since the DEC NT Affinity program and the CompaqL merger and the HP merger, and Gartner statements to that effect in the handsH of major corporations for the past 10 years. So clearly, VMS *must* mean 'Vendor Management System'.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:18:23 -0500w From: norm.raphael@metso.com2 Subject: Re: Is VMS a trademark of HP/COMPAQ/DEC ?Q Message-ID: <OF658D8494.6E251F25-ON85256E62.0053DDA1-85256E62.0054252F@metso.com>t  > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote on 03/25/2004 09:39:29 AM:   >nF > "Daryl Jones" <jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message9 > news:8a646952.0403241402.49286ec7@posting.google.com...M > > To Everyone: > > I > > I am find an increasing number of advertisement for job opportunitieseH > > with companies that are using VMS as an acronym in the job listings. > > For example: > >r& > >    VMS - Vendor Management SystemsF > >    VMS - VMS is a world leader in news and advertising informationF > > retrieval, providing unique services and products for thousands ofB > > public relations firms, advertising agencies, marketers, event% > > sponsors and producers worldwide.x > > G > > A couple of times I have sent emails to these sites and complained.  >k >lK > HP doesn't care is anyone uses VMS in another context. As Mr. Webb points " > out below, context is important. >eF > But more importantly in this case is HP complete lack of interest inK > defending its trademark...you see doing that would call attention to HP'siF > VMS and that's the last thing HP wants because they want to kill it. >-C > HP doesn't advertise it, they don't market it, so how could thereS
 *possibly*I > be 'confusion' in the mind of a knowledgeable or ignorant person in thecK > computer industry about which VMS is being referred to - everyone *knows*yJ > that HP's VMS is dead...since the DEC NT Affinity program and the CompaqH > merger and the HP merger, and Gartner statements to that effect in the handssJ > of major corporations for the past 10 years. So clearly, VMS *must* mean > 'Vendor Management System'.p >d >fH Even though it's not pronounced that way , it's still officially written$ as "OpenVMS" so there is no problem.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:11:24 +0100 " From: labadie <labadie_g@decus.fr>& Subject: Re: ITRC - VMS Patch Database2 Message-ID: <c3u14g$nfv$1@news-reader2.wanadoo.fr>  
 dooley wrote:nb > Ouk@netscape.net (Ouk) wrote in message news:<a6a0db3.0403240348.4e8432c7@posting.google.com>... >  >>Hi,  >>B >>I'm having a few problems using the ITRC site to find the latestD >>OpenVMS patches for the various versions we run on customer sites.H >>Apart from the fact that the site appears to have been unavailable forG >>a good part of the last 48-hours (a 7.3-1 patch search would report a F >>"System Unavailable" message), some of the information appears to be >>incorrect. >>G >>Does anybody know where I can find a list of released 7.1-2 patches?   >>@ >>Also the 7.3 Alpha Master ECO List only contains a list of VAXD >>patches! I've had to browse the entire patch list and sort through >>which patches are required.  >>E >>Can't say I'm too happy with the new Email notifications either - I C >>had no notification of a new TDF patch released on Friday. RatheruG >>annoying considering daylight savings changes are due to occur in thed >>UK this weekend. >> >>Bah! >> >>Ouk. > G > For some reason the Sydney Customer Support Centre always seems to be  > the best place to find these.6# > http://ftp.support.compaq.com.au/  > PhilH I am more than convinced that the australian site is best, but it is no H longer updated (October 2003 I think), I do not find a single patch for 	 Vms 7.3-2r  G To David Dachtera: following my request of a dissastisfied customer to iH HP (who used to say "customer satisfaction" ?), I had emailed yesterday 4 that I thought Georges P was the one who could help.  E I think HP has a very simple, not expensive solution to that problem:26 1) update the australian site with the latest patches.7 2) say the australian site is THE site for Vms patches.9  A Suppose the people in comp.os.vms vote for or against this idea ?h   regardsr   Gerard   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Mar 2004 10:13:34 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)& Subject: Re: ITRC - VMS Patch Database= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0403251013.4fafd0d0@posting.google.com>   ` Ouk@netscape.net (Ouk) wrote in message news:<a6a0db3.0403240348.4e8432c7@posting.google.com>... > Hi,o > B > I'm having a few problems using the ITRC site to find the latestD > OpenVMS patches for the various versions we run on customer sites.H > Apart from the fact that the site appears to have been unavailable forG > a good part of the last 48-hours (a 7.3-1 patch search would report aRF > "System Unavailable" message), some of the information appears to be > incorrect. > G > Does anybody know where I can find a list of released 7.1-2 patches? n > @ > Also the 7.3 Alpha Master ECO List only contains a list of VAXD > patches! I've had to browse the entire patch list and sort through > which patches are required.t > E > Can't say I'm too happy with the new Email notifications either - IyC > had no notification of a new TDF patch released on Friday. RathersG > annoying considering daylight savings changes are due to occur in the  > UK this weekend. >  > Bah! >  > Ouk.   two good choices are ...  5 http://ftp.support.compaq.com.au/pub/patches/vms/axp/r  4 http://ftp.hp.com.au/pub/ecoinfo/ecoinfo/version.htm   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Mar 2004 05:22:14 -0800 From: klaser@gmx.de (klaser), Subject: Re: JBoss 3.2.3 on OpenVMS 7.3-1???= Message-ID: <c82a0e9d.0403250522.5209a4d3@posting.google.com>C   Hallo,  E Thanks for your reply. I have extract my zip-Package with jar and sethA some defines and it's running now! JBoss has now one problem with- snmp-Modul but it's runnig.:  	 Extract: m jar -xvf jboss.zip   Defines:  SET PROCESS/PARSE_STYLE=EXTENDED$ DEFINE DECC$ARGV_PARSE_STYLE ENABLE $ DEFINE DECC$EFS_CASE_PRESERVE ENABLE+ @sys$common:[sysmgr]java$142_setup.com fastp) DEFINE DECC$READDIR_DROPDOTNOTYPE ENABLE   DEFINE DECC$EFS_CHARSET ENABLE h. DEFINE JAVA$CREATE_DIR_WITH_OWNER_DELETE TRUE % DEFINE JAVA$DELETE_ALL_VERSIONS TRUE ," DEFINE JAVA$FILENAME_CONTROLS "8" % DEFINE JAVA$RENAME_ALL_VERSIONS TRUE l DEFINE JAVA$CLASSPATH [] f     Thanks.e   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Mar 2004 06:38:46 -0800$ From: anantha.prabhu@hp.com (Ananth)* Subject: Re: ncurses support for ovms ????= Message-ID: <e0273250.0403250638.16fb980f@posting.google.com>S   Hello Bernard,  A Can you provide us a copy of the ncurses which you have ported to 6 OVMS. I would like to try it out with our application.   Regard Ananth  U Bernard Giroud <bgiroud@free.fr> wrote in message news:<4058B833.2E4CCF5D@free.fr>...  > Nom de Plume a crit : > E > > > AFAIR, ncurses has more differences to curses than just cbreak.rB > > > We (Credit Lyonnais (Switzerland) SA) made a port of ncurses: > > > some time ago. But it was never put into production. > > >oE > > > If you are interested, I can make available the port w've done.a > > >r > >rF > > If this port for OVMS 7.3-2?  Can you post a link so that the user: > > community with an interest in ncurses may download it? > >  > > JMOD > A > No. The port was done (and is still) under 7.3-1. But the buildr > environment uses GNV.n > I > I'll post the link as soon as I have a kit ready; give us a few days...L   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 03:13:47 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>( Subject: OT: HP embraces Linux even more) Message-ID: <4062868B.FABD2425@istop.com>   f > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=562&ncid=738&e=9&u=/ap/20040325/ap_on_hi_te/hp_linux  ( $if (wrap) then write sys$output "Sorry"  A The article is titled: HP move could change Microsoft's Strategy.i  H Seems HP will now start to offer more Linux boxes, including desktops toK ENTERPRISE CUSTOMERS ONLY, due to high demand from enterprise customers for P lower cost servers/desktops. These will not be available to the consumer market.  M The article's focus is on how Microsoft will need to start to compete against 0 Linux and that its only tool available is price.  J I wonder if we are seeing the Microsoft ship starting to take on water andK slowly watch it bow go down. Once water goes above the E deck, it will flowiM over the close bulkheads and the pumps won't be able to keep the boat afloat.o  M Microsoft has already launched lifeboats such as Xbox and MSN/hotmail so evenAL if its OS division sinks, I suspect that the brand name will survive. But itM will be interesting to watch when the rats in the lower decks start to run...n   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Mar 2004 07:42:28 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)w, Subject: Re: OT: HP embraces Linux even more3 Message-ID: <h$BI5fsro6av@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <4062868B.FABD2425@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > J > Seems HP will now start to offer more Linux boxes, including desktops toM > ENTERPRISE CUSTOMERS ONLY, due to high demand from enterprise customers for R > lower cost servers/desktops. These will not be available to the consumer market. >   E    Will they ship OpenOfiice on them?  Or are they doing something tot&    avoid depending on Sun's good will?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:27:20 -0700e+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>e, Subject: Re: OT: HP embraces Linux even more' Message-ID: <4062FA58.3070109@MMaz.com>r   JF Mezei wrote:   f >>http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=562&ncid=738&e=9&u=/ap/20040325/ap_on_hi_te/hp_linux >>     >>N >The article's focus is on how Microsoft will need to start to compete against1 >Linux and that its only tool available is price.r >cN >Microsoft has already launched lifeboats such as Xbox and MSN/hotmail so evenM >if its OS division sinks, I suspect that the brand name will survive. But it.N >will be interesting to watch when the rats in the lower decks start to run... >l >  k >tH I wouldn't consider Xbox a lifeboat but another anchor because the last G I read, MS continues to sell them as a loss-leader which is one of the NI major complaints against MS (Nintendo and Sony hate that); MS uses their >5 billions taken from one market to strangle another...i    F As for HP and Linux, I personally think it is a smart move.  Consider E what other OS's are left on X86-32/64 hardware, besides Windows, and JH when IA64's back does break and the ship goes down for the final count, I what is left?  HP can migrate the key proprietary HPUX/Tru64 features to SA Linux (much like Oracle and others have migrated their apps) and rG redistribute Linux with those layered binaries for added value without CG the need to put all of the IP into the open-source community, and they nH won't have to migrate HPUX to another platform.  As for VMS, I would be H dazed and amazed if HP ported it again, that would demonstrate too much  fore-thought and vision...     Barryr   -- y  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:29:25 -0700o+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>d, Subject: Re: OT: HP embraces Linux even more' Message-ID: <4062FAD5.9000705@MMaz.com>n   Bob Koehler wrote:  W >In article <4062868B.FABD2425@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:w >  i >fJ >>Seems HP will now start to offer more Linux boxes, including desktops toM >>ENTERPRISE CUSTOMERS ONLY, due to high demand from enterprise customers for R >>lower cost servers/desktops. These will not be available to the consumer market. >> >>     >> >'F >   Will they ship OpenOfiice on them?  Or are they doing something to' >   avoid depending on Sun's good will?e >  > > H We're actually experimenting with OpenOffice at this time and there are B only two major 'gotchas' we've noticed coming out of the gate; 1) I document passwords do not work, if a password exists, you can't open the >C document, 2) The Access compatibility doesn't exist.  As for Word, eJ Excel, PP, it does a remarkable job of one-for-one substitution however...     Barry1   --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 03:04:48 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>, Subject: OT: IBM courting MPE/3000 customers) Message-ID: <40628470.E475AF2E@istop.com>s  F http://www.iseriesnetwork.com/news/nwn/story.cfm?ID=18277&channel=home  M This article popped up when I looked at recent news items about HP. Obviously/' biased... but interesting nevertheless.   H But it has a link to a PDF file showing an ad IBM put in the Wall Street& Journal to try to steal MPE customers.  J I suspect similar stuff will happen if HP puts VMS in a dead-end scenario.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Mar 2004 10:10:04 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)0 Subject: Re: OT: IBM courting MPE/3000 customers= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0403251010.21ceb27c@posting.google.com>f  [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<40628470.E475AF2E@istop.com>...-H > http://www.iseriesnetwork.com/news/nwn/story.cfm?ID=18277&channel=home > O > This article popped up when I looked at recent news items about HP. ObviouslyV) > biased... but interesting nevertheless.5 > J > But it has a link to a PDF file showing an ad IBM put in the Wall Street( > Journal to try to steal MPE customers. > L > I suspect similar stuff will happen if HP puts VMS in a dead-end scenario.  9 no where close JF ... mpe is NOT VMS!  I was on OS400 and 6 believe me, after putting a vms customer on it for one9 month, they would become very ill!  If IBM would buy VMS,o: then they would get all VMS customers, otherwise, it would; be very hard ... because right now there is NO substitution  for VMS!   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:53:08 -0500t* From: "George Crowley" <gmcrowley@tva.gov>- Subject: PWS500 LAT Problem after VMS upgrade 6 Message-ID: <newscache$6py4vh$pim$1@lyris.knx.tva.gov>  G I have a PWS500au with two network cards, EWA0 and EIA0.  I was runningeJ OpenVMS7.2 and basically using EWA0 for all the network stuff.  I upgradedL to VMS7.3-2 and something peculiar happend.  The first was that the EWA0 nicC would not show a link light, all the parameters indicate that it isAG configured be no link.  So I moved everything to EIA0,  most everythingeJ works.  Except LAT, for some reason LAT is using the EWA0 device ... which
 doesn't work.m  $ How can I tell LAT which NIC to use?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:06:02 -0000y* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>1 Subject: Re: PWS500 LAT Problem after VMS upgrades, Message-ID: <c3up0b$148c@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  5 "George Crowley" <gmcrowley@tva.gov> wrote in messagei0 news:newscache$6py4vh$pim$1@lyris.knx.tva.gov...  & > How can I tell LAT which NIC to use?  ? The easiest way is to define LAT$DEVICE early on in the startupi (e.g. in SYLOGICALS).e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:03:50 -0500>* From: "Brian Tillman" <tillmabg@yahoo.com>1 Subject: RE: PWS500 LAT Problem after VMS upgrade ' Message-ID: <0130FD53.C22236@yahoo.com>e   George Crowley wrote:   = > I have a PWS500au with two network cards, EWA0 and EIA0.  Ie
 > was runningt9 > OpenVMS7.2 and basically using EWA0 for all the network  > stuff.  I upgraded< > to VMS7.3-2 and something peculiar happend.  The first was > that the EWA0 nic E > would not show a link light, all the parameters indicate that it iso> > configured be no link.  So I moved everything to EIA0,  mostF > everything works.  Except LAT, for some reason LAT is using the EWA0 > device ... which > doesn't work.  > & > How can I tell LAT which NIC to use?  H By defining LAT$DEVICE in SYS$MANAGER:LAT$SYSTARTUP.COM (must be /SYSTEM /EXEC).  Here's what I have:   $!< $!      Define the default device name so that LAT uses FDDI $!	  or fast Etherneta $!) $       nodename = f$getsyi( "nodename" )s( $       if nodename .eqs. "AGVAX" then -5 $               define /system /exec lat$device fqa0:-) $       if nodename .eqs. "BENZIE" then - 5 $               define /system /exec lat$device ewa0:s -- o
 Brian Tillman:   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 07:45:19 -0800(& From: Tom Crabtree <tccrab@sunset.net>1 Subject: Re: PWS500 LAT Problem after VMS upgrader, Message-ID: <c3uugc028k9@enews4.newsguy.com>  = > I have a PWS500au with two network cards, EWA0 and EIA0.   uI Is this an ISA Network card? If so, swap it with a good PCI version, you s* can get DE450's and DE500's cheap on eBay.> I've had nothing but problems with ISA network cards in PWS's.   TomC   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:19:55 +0100s" From: labadie <labadie_g@decus.fr>0 Subject: Re: reading VMS backups on UNIX -- HELP2 Message-ID: <c3v191$ggk$1@news-reader2.wanadoo.fr>   Bob Koehler wrote:C > In article <m2brmnqq9e.fsf@adagio.mit.edu>, vanni@mit.edu writes:s > 8 >>Yes, f4 is a UNIX file (OSF1 windsurf V4.0 1229 alpha)2 >>that I extracted from a tape with the DD command( >>     (dd if=/dev/nrmt0h of=f4 bs=8192) >  > 7 >    There's a very good chance that 8192 is too small.m > / I would try 9216 and 32256 for my first 2 triesh   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:19:07 +0000 * From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>% Subject: Re: Securing files under VMS ' Message-ID: <c3u881$c88$1@lore.csc.com>o   John Smith wrote:n >   I > Unfortunately I didn't make my first post clear enough. What I'm really/N > looking at are mandatory access controls and audit trails on file access and > modifications.  H Ah, has someone mentioned PointSecure? They do more than just "intrusion	 systems".    http://www.pointsecure.com/o   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesi nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 04:30:27 -0400t* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>% Subject: Re: Securing files under VMSy) Message-ID: <4062987C.B1746F62@istop.com>o  K > > Unfortunately I didn't make my first post clear enough. What I'm really P > > looking at are mandatory access controls and audit trails on file access and > > modifications.  J You can set a directory's ACL with default ACLs that propagate to any fileM created below. Then, you give users a DCLTABLES.EXE that lacks any command tomC set/change a file's ACL or protection and set the protection on theoC sys$systemL relevant utilities such that users cannot execute them..  G You would also want to remove the SET COMMAND from their DCL TABLES andtC perhaps protect SYS$SYSTEM utilties that muck with file protection.-  M In terms of alarms, there is an ACL that you can set that will generale opcomnI alarms everytime the file is acessed. And you could use RMS journaling to  record actual changes made.t   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Mar 2004 07:12:07 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org% Subject: Re: Securing files under VMSm3 Message-ID: <Li4p6K+R9D3k@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <4062987C.B1746F62@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:L >> > Unfortunately I didn't make my first post clear enough. What I'm reallyQ >> > looking at are mandatory access controls and audit trails on file access and  >> > modifications.y > L > You can set a directory's ACL with default ACLs that propagate to any fileO > created below. Then, you give users a DCLTABLES.EXE that lacks any command torE > set/change a file's ACL or protection and set the protection on theiE > sys$systemL relevant utilities such that users cannot execute them.p  7 That fails against the trivial attack:  $ RUN SYS$INPUT    	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Mar 2004 01:53:40 -0800. From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk (Martin Kirby)( Subject: Re: Server hang - compute bound< Message-ID: <224291b.0403250153.7beb787f@posting.google.com>   > but I've seen it hangingG > in LEF more often than I like it (usually by clicking buttons or more B > often browsing through pulldown menus in MOZILLA before the page? > displaying isn't really complete). Maybe I'm too impatient...t  D There is a problem report that I am investigating where Mozilla, forF some unknown reason, stops reading events from the server. This causesF the transport buffers to fill up which eventually causes the server toD hang for 30 seconds in LEF state until it decides that the client is dead and kills the connection.  B At the moment I do not know whether this is a general problem withD DECwindows V1.3 and V1.3-1 or a specific problem with Mozilla. A few@ clues suggest that is a DECwindows problem that is probably onlyC applicable to clients that are multi-threaded, which rules out mosteE legacy applications having that problem, and have used the DECwindowsgB XSelectAsyncInput or XSelectAsyncEvent extensions, which rules out most other applications.  E If, on V7.3-2, you don't have the graphics kit installed then the LEFcC state occurs for any application and has more serious consequences.    ++  B On V7.3-1 DECwindows V1.3 or V1.2-6, V1.2-5 or V1.2-4 can be used.- On V7.3-2 only DECwindows V1.3-1 can be used.o   Martin Kirby   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:48:48 -0000-1 From: wspencer@ap.dontspamme.org (Warren Spencer): Subject: Re: Sybase on VMS0 Message-ID: <10663bgodv3iv77@news.supernews.com>  . stevef85@hotmail.com (Steve Fournier) wrote in5 <Xns94B65860752FFstevef85hotmailcom@207.69.154.203>: b  I >i have vms 6.2-1h3 on quad processor alphaserver 4100 running sybase.  i>D >want to run more than one engine but i cant keep it running withoutB >sybase crashing.  does anyone have this working?  multiple sybase >engines on vms? t >  >thanks. >      Steve,  @ Could you state the version of Sybase you are attempting to run?   ws   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:16:34 GMTg+ From: Steve Fournier <stevef85@hotmail.com>o Subject: Re: Sybase on VMS? Message-ID: <Xns94B77CEF51558stevef85hotmailcom@207.69.154.201>l  4 wspencer@ap.dontspamme.org (Warren Spencer) wrote in) news:10663bgodv3iv77@news.supernews.com: n  0 > stevef85@hotmail.com (Steve Fournier) wrote in7 > <Xns94B65860752FFstevef85hotmailcom@207.69.154.203>: a > H >>i have vms 6.2-1h3 on quad processor alphaserver 4100 running sybase. G >>i want to run more than one engine but i cant keep it running withoutiC >>sybase crashing.  does anyone have this working?  multiple sybase  >>engines on vms?  >> >>thanks >> >  >  > Steve, > B > Could you state the version of Sybase you are attempting to run? >  > ws >   / sybase sql server 11.0.3.3 SWR 7936 29-oct-1998    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:41:37 +0000 (UTC)d6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)> Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.4 and new shadowing features: ALPHA only?0 Message-ID: <newscache$cpw4vh$ol9$1@news.sil.at>  w In article <c3jqb9$g7v$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: H >Am I correct in assuming that TCPIP 5.4 and the new shadowing features H >introduced with 7.3-2 are and at least for the foreseeable future will > >be only for ALPHA (and perhaps for Itanium, but not for VAX)?   It seems so.+ I'm not aware of any plans before VMS V8.2,s/ but I like to be proofed wrong in this case ;-)i   -- e Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER)% Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Mar 2004 08:16:55 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>9 Subject: Re: virtual pc for mac (was: Re: Spam form kerryo? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-YshcScyB6o0d@dave2_os2.home.ours>n  F On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:09:30 UTC, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote:  F > Knowing Billy... the exact details have faded, but when I wanted to D > install Win98 on a system containing Linux, no way would it do so I > without formatting all disks. Solution: disconenct the disk with Linux nG > on it. NT refuses to copy DR-DOS boot disks too, as I found out when oA > trying to backup a floppy which came with s disk (Maxtor IIRC).   F To be fair, Win98 has never insisted on reformatting my drives. It hasE changed the boot record and disabled OS/2 from running and when I"ve uD fixed that, OS/2 has decided that its idea of how it should look is B the correct one and it has changed things as well. However, since F dropping IBM's Boot Manager for Powerquest's BootMagic this has ceased to be a problem.  xA That said I was disappointed when the drive that I bought for my  A sister's family machine and carefully partitioned was completely oF reformatted and all data lost when they upgraded from Win95 to Win98. B However, my brother-in-law was still a neophyte in those days and E believed what the MS documentation _implied_. And fortunately he had i saved the most important stuff.     --  Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Mar 2004 09:37:27 +0100C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann)eE Subject: Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CDW- Message-ID: <40629a47$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>   < In article <c3sf4j$1ui$1@news3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes: 
 >Hi Eberhard,i >l >I'm using Nero 5.5.10.42 OEM  >j* > From the file menu I choose "Burn Image" >I then select the imageJ >In the "Foreign image settings" I leave everything default ("Data Mode 1" >, e >blocks size 2048)H >In the next "Write CD" window there is a tab called "Burn". There I can >select 3 >"Track-at-once" or "Disc-at-once" as Write Method.t >s	 >Regards,e >Dirk  >n   Dirk,k  K but the is no information how the real burning process takes place. What ifa thetH track at once option is used only, if disk at once is unsupported by the drive.   eberhard   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.167 ************************