1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 26 Mar 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 168       Contents:' Re: 2 objects one program 2 program ids ' Re: 2 objects one program 2 program ids  Re: :-) BOFH needs VMS Re: :-) BOFH needs VMS Re: Alpha sizing for Cerner   Appending image output to a file$ Re: Appending image output to a file$ Re: Appending image output to a file$ Re: Appending image output to a file$ Re: Appending image output to a file$ Re: Appending image output to a file$ Re: Appending image output to a file Boot Camp Update Re: Device names in OVMS ?? P Re: HP Awarded 10 year, $784 Million OpenVMS Services Contract by US Department ) Re: Is VMS a trademark of HP/COMPAQ/DEC ? ) Re: Is VMS a trademark of HP/COMPAQ/DEC ?  Re: ITRC - VMS Patch Database  Re: ODS-5 after five years' Re: OT: IBM courting MPE/3000 customers ' Re: reading VMS backups on UNIX -- HELP  Refresher card Re: Refresher card Re: Refresher card Re: Securing files under VMS Re: Securing files under VMS simh and printing < Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CD  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 05:15:30 GMT " From: tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com0 Subject: Re: 2 objects one program 2 program ids8 Message-ID: <are760dmbbrnb79rjhdl68geug7u0936nj@4ax.com>  A see the manual entry i found ... then read what ACTUALLY happens  % ===================================== 	   source: G http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/72final/6100/6100pro_007.html#index_x_296    Format /INSERT    Description > If an object module input file consists of concatenated objectE modules, the LIBRARY command creates a separate entry for each object < module in the file; each module name table entry reflects an individual module name. % =====================================   
 WELL>>>>>>>>>    for the case of       a.cob which has two program-id's of     program-id a1.     program-id a2.   ; It would seem - according to the documentation below,  that 1 "concatenated object modules" SHOULD end up with   lib/list olb.olb     a1 a2     as a DEFAULT    F and without any qualifier (as would seem to be the case, using logic?)   NOW what do I do?           * On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 01:13:25 -0500, wrote:  L >Yeah, Cobol has these funky concept of 'run unit' and 'contained programs'.H >I'm sure it is there to satisfy some standard. Read all about it in the >usersguide chapter 12: M >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/6297/6297_profile_038.html#index_x_181  >7 >  >Hein. >  > 0 ><tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message3 >news:hni160halp708h5jm6i34bh6957fd9q7an@4ax.com... - >> I have no idea how to word this question!! ) >> 20 years - never seen this before.....  >>H >> Looking at the OBJECT LIBRARY, I can see TWO objects, say named A and >> B.  >>F >> Looking at the SOURCE DIRECTORY, I can see ONE program - written inE >> COBOL - it has TWO program-ids....   Program-id A. then within the F >> same source code, a second Program-id B.  (Why is it together? B is >> not even called by A ?) >># >> When I do a simple cobol compile  >> $ cob /qualifiers   A.COB> >> I get ONE object module   A.OBJ (as I would have expected).7 >> And when I insert the one object into the library...  >> $ lib/insert aaa$lib   A.OBJ   >> and then look at the results, >> $ lib/list aaa$lib * >>  I can see only one module is inserted. >> >> I'm stumped... ) >> What simple concept am I not grasping?  >> >> tutor AT cfl DOT rr DOT com >> >> Thanking you in advance >> >> >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 05:59:38 +0000 7 From: David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> 0 Subject: Re: 2 objects one program 2 program ids* Message-ID: <4063C6CA.1000104@bigpond.com>  & tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com espoused:C > see the manual entry i found ... then read what ACTUALLY happens  ' > =====================================  >   source: I > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/72final/6100/6100pro_007.html#index_x_296  >  > Format
 > /INSERT  > 
 > Description @ > If an object module input file consists of concatenated objectG > modules, the LIBRARY command creates a separate entry for each object > > module in the file; each module name table entry reflects an > individual module name. ' > =====================================  >  > WELL>>>>>>>>>  >  > for the case of   
 >    a.cob > which has two program-id's of  >    program-id a1.  >    program-id a2.  > = > It would seem - according to the documentation below,  that 3 > "concatenated object modules" SHOULD end up with   > lib/list olb.olb     > a1 > a2 >     as a DEFAULT   > H > and without any qualifier (as would seem to be the case, using logic?) >  > NOW what do I do?   H LIBRARY/LIST will list the the names of the "objects" that are inserted.E In this case the word "object" is the name of the entity that was put C into the library.  The fact that this is an OBJECT library and that G an entity can contain more than one GLOBAL SYMBOL (which is what we are C really talking about) is the issue.  To see the names of the GLOBAL 5 SYMBOLS and the MODULE names, use LIBRARY/LIST/NAMES.    Regards, Dave.  --  I David B Sneddon (dbs)    VMS Systems Programmer     dbsneddon@bigpond.com I Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/ I DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm I "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennon    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:37:57 -0800 = From: "Doc.Cypher" <doc_cypher {AT} hod {DOT} aarg {DOT} net>  Subject: Re: :-) BOFH needs VMS 6 Message-ID: <200403251937.i2PJbvdd016480@www.aarg.net>  H On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> wrote:0 >On 24 Mar 2004 at 21:00, ssj152 (stuart) wrote: > F >> Also, why run a vintage game on an emulator if you can do it on the >> real thing? > F >Because it's smaller?  More portable?  Takes less power?  Might work % >for another X years on new hardware?   K But the body of the last financial controller that thought he could cut the " IT budget is hidden in the casing.   :-)      Doc. --  G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. G [PGP Key via finger]   http://openvms-rocks.com   http://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Mar 2004 18:17:49 -08002 From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb) Subject: Re: :-) BOFH needs VMS = Message-ID: <bf98c417.0403251817.624b393d@posting.google.com>   { "Doc.Cypher" <doc_cypher {AT} hod {DOT} aarg {DOT} net> wrote in message news:<200403251937.i2PJbvdd016480@www.aarg.net>... J > On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> wrote:2 > >On 24 Mar 2004 at 21:00, ssj152 (stuart) wrote: > > H > >> Also, why run a vintage game on an emulator if you can do it on the > >> real thing? > > H > >Because it's smaller?  More portable?  Takes less power?  Might work ' > >for another X years on new hardware?  > M > But the body of the last financial controller that thought he could cut the $ > IT budget is hidden in the casing. >  > :-)  >  >  > Doc.   Welcome back!     + You get the prize for best post of the day.    WWWebb   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 21:01:43 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>$ Subject: Re: Alpha sizing for Cerner6 Message-ID: <40639D17.BB0ED6C8@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Mike Naime wrote:  > K > David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message 2 > news:406240BC.C2E84C49@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net... > > John Smith wrote:  > > > 9 > > > "Lee Mah" <lytmah@telusplanet.net> wrote in message ( > > > news:pjO7c.409$wg1.356@edtnps84..." > > > > Can you  be more specific?< > > > > Will you be running the Classic or Millennium suite?% > > > > What modules are you running?  > > > M > > > Don't know at this time. We're just looking at the different choices in  > the B > > > market right now. The hospital won't open for about 2 years. > > K > > Think of Cerner Classic the same way you think of Alpha or OpenVMS-VAX: G > > Cerner's big thing is Millennium - that's where THEY want you to go  > > (taking a cue from bgINC). > > I > > Finding a way to make that cost effective will be a challenge, to say  > > the least. >  > It's called Remote Hosting!   - kc.rr.com, eh? Tell me you work for Cerner...   0 > The client pays a Hosting fee and I think theyK > also pick up the Telco costs. (Not sure about that)   It's much more cost 4 > effective than buying/hosting your own equipment.    ...and then again...  E In our case, the "telco costs" would be for multiple OC3's to provide 6 sufficient bandwidth between the front- and back-ends.   > I have several recent L > clients that had existing VMS footprints in their hospital(s).  When facedK > with having to upgrade the Alphaserver systems with larger hardware, they J > decided to let us host it for them instead of purchasing 1280's or other! > hardware to upgrade themselves.  > ; > We are doing this for both Classic and Millenium systems. ? > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/cerner/cerner.pdf @ > This is an old link.  I now have over 270TB in my SAN fabrics.  H I assume at least part of that is ours, eh? (Google for me - other posts8 give clues as to where I work, or ask around at work...)   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:03:04 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>) Subject: Appending image output to a file ) Message-ID: <40634906.975DA549@istop.com>   H A concern of mine is the lack of real logging by the TCPIP SMTP receiverJ image. It is invoked once for each received message and purges its own logK files. And much of the log file'e contents are crud from DCLs. (and most of L that DCL should actually run after the image so that senders get the welcome banner faster).   F So, I am considering customizing that command procedure and have a few questions.  D (Remember that if two people connect at the same time, there are two1 concurrent images running in separate processes).    if I do the following:/ $OPEN/WRITE/APPEND/share myoutput MYLOGFILE.LOG 7 $write myoutput "-------''F$date()' ''F$TIME()'-------"   $define/user sys$output myoutput $define/user sys$error myoutput ' $run sys$system:tcpip$smtp_receiver.exe  $! $write myoutput "the end"  $close myoutput    What are the "gotcha's" ????  \ I assume that if two instances of it run at the same time, output will be interleaved/mixed.    H Also, at the DCL level, since this process would be started by the TCPIPL kernel when it receives a call on port 25, are there any logicals that wouldN allow me to figure out what the remote TCPIP address would be ? I'd like to be? able to log the remote TCPIP address before invoking the image.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:59:58 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> - Subject: Re: Appending image output to a file ' Message-ID: <4063727E.7090004@MMaz.com>    JF Mezei wrote:   I >A concern of mine is the lack of real logging by the TCPIP SMTP receiver K >image. It is invoked once for each received message and purges its own log L >files. And much of the log file'e contents are crud from DCLs. (and most ofM >that DCL should actually run after the image so that senders get the welcome  >banner faster). > G >So, I am considering customizing that command procedure and have a few  >questions. E >(Remember that if two people connect at the same time, there are two 2 >concurrent images running in separate processes). >  >if I do the following: 0 >$OPEN/WRITE/APPEND/share myoutput MYLOGFILE.LOG >    > E What about just creating a unique log for each process, appending the G PID to the MYLOGFILE name?  This would eliminate any concurrency issues ( that could make the logs hard to read...     Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 20:07:13 -0500 ( From: "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail.com>- Subject: Re: Appending image output to a file , Message-ID: <40638259$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  C Or you could pre-pend every output line with the writer PID in that + potetntial intersperced shared output file. < If you need clarity, just SEARCH <pid> or SORT by PID-field.   Hein.   6 "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message! news:4063727E.7090004@MMaz.com...  > JF Mezei wrote:  > K > >A concern of mine is the lack of real logging by the TCPIP SMTP receiver I > >image. It is invoked once for each received message and purges its own  log K > >files. And much of the log file'e contents are crud from DCLs. (and most  ofG > >that DCL should actually run after the image so that senders get the  welcome  > >banner faster). > > I > >So, I am considering customizing that command procedure and have a few 
 > >questions. G > >(Remember that if two people connect at the same time, there are two 4 > >concurrent images running in separate processes). > >  > >if I do the following: 2 > >$OPEN/WRITE/APPEND/share myoutput MYLOGFILE.LOG > >  > > G > What about just creating a unique log for each process, appending the I > PID to the MYLOGFILE name?  This would eliminate any concurrency issues * > that could make the logs hard to read... >  >  > Barry  >  > --   > @ > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com@ > Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320@ > Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028 >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:59:59 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>- Subject: Re: Appending image output to a file ) Message-ID: <40637276.69F7AB9E@istop.com>    "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:G > What about just creating a unique log for each process, appending the I > PID to the MYLOGFILE name?  This would eliminate any concurrency issues * > that could make the logs hard to read...  L But then I end up with a gazillion log files that are hard to manage (delete old ones etc).  J However, I could write the output to a temporary file, and after image hasK completed, append the temp file to the real log file, then delete temporary ! file. But this is less efficient.   K Also, when TCPIP services starts a command procedure with an incoming call, G does that command procedure have garantee of completing, or coudl TCPIP ; services kill it if the call is terminated abnormally etc ?   J In other words, if I add DCL code after the TCPIP$SMTP_RECEIVEER.EXE imageJ invocation, do I have a garantee that that DCL will execute no matter what" happens while the image executes ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 22:05:02 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>- Subject: Re: Appending image output to a file ) Message-ID: <40638FBC.2003D21C@istop.com>    Hein wrote: E > Or you could pre-pend every output line with the writer PID in that - > potetntial intersperced shared output file. > > If you need clarity, just SEARCH <pid> or SORT by PID-field.  F Unfortunatly, I don't have control over the image which is supplied byI Digital/HP/Compaq/whatever. So I have to find ways to redesign the way it 7 spews its output to the equivalent of a batch log file.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 21:33:22 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> - Subject: Re: Appending image output to a file ' Message-ID: <4063B292.3090508@MMaz.com>    JF Mezei wrote:    >"Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:  >    > G >>What about just creating a unique log for each process, appending the I >>PID to the MYLOGFILE name?  This would eliminate any concurrency issues * >>that could make the logs hard to read... >>     >> > M >But then I end up with a gazillion log files that are hard to manage (delete  >old ones etc).  > K >However, I could write the output to a temporary file, and after image has L >completed, append the temp file to the real log file, then delete temporary" >file. But this is less efficient. > L >Also, when TCPIP services starts a command procedure with an incoming call,H >does that command procedure have garantee of completing, or coudl TCPIP< >services kill it if the call is terminated abnormally etc ? > K >In other words, if I add DCL code after the TCPIP$SMTP_RECEIVEER.EXE image K >invocation, do I have a garantee that that DCL will execute no matter what # >happens while the image executes ?  >    > H Sometimes, the simpler approaches are the best...  If I understand what H you're attempting, basic audit trails, just setup a batch job to run at G an hour at night when you expect minimal ftp traffic, move the current  A files into a processing area where you can then parse each file,  G consolidating the key data points into a common data log, and then zip  G the original files for archival...  Perhaps not elegant, but certainly   simple and fast to setup...    Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 00:22:03 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>- Subject: Re: Appending image output to a file ) Message-ID: <4063AFD0.6E5FFED9@istop.com>    "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:I > you're attempting, basic audit trails, just setup a batch job to run at H > an hour at night when you expect minimal ftp traffic, move the currentB > files into a processing area where you can then parse each file,< > consolidating the key data points into a common data log,   H Well, I don't want to start parsing DCL log files just to extract actualN output from an image nested inside somwehere. I just want a single log file of the output.   I This isn't for FTP, it is for incoming emails (SMTP). Problem is that any J anti-spam measures are logged into those "temporary" files that get purges0 after 10 or so more messages have been received.  N Because of this, it is also impossible to check for problems. (For instance, aL random check revealed the image issuing a SYSTEM-F-TIMEOUT. I have no way of- knowing if this is a common occurance or not.    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Mar 2004 15:30:29 -08001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)  Subject: Boot Camp Update < Message-ID: <857e9e41.0403251530.c133831@posting.google.com>  F Just letting folks know I have changed the format a little and we willD be doing additional general sessions.  One each morning and then one8 on Sunday, Monday and Wed from 5:15-6:15 in the evening.  E For additonal information please visit the web site.  You will notice & that we have also added some sessions.  
 Warm Regards,  Sue    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 21:21:20 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>$ Subject: Re: Device names in OVMS ??6 Message-ID: <4063A1B0.F90A8562@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>  
 Ananth wrote:  >  > Hi,  > D > Would like to know, how the devices are named in OVMS. When a tapeD > device is recognized as MKH100, what does each and every characterA > represents? What  exactly the last numerical numbers represent?    See:6 http://www.djesys.com/vms/freevms/mentor/vms_path.html   especially: ; http://www.djesys.com/vms/freevms/mentor/vms_path.html#devc   E For SCSI devices, the digits are port, target and lun, in that order. E For example: MKA100: is port one(1), target zero(0), LUN zero(0). For A fibre channel support and other reasons, the unit number has been H expanded so that two-digit port numbers and two-digit target numbers are
 supported.  A > If I connect a scsi tape autoloader to an OVMS system, will the D > controller of the autoloader get detected as a device? If yes whatB > will be the device name for the controller of any autoloader? IfD > controller is not auotomatically detected, then what configuration/ > needs to be done to recognize it as a device?   : Well, that's going to depend on the device. Check the doc.  B What may happen, as an example is that for MKA100, for example, ifC that's a TZ887 or some such, the robot will be found as LUN one(1). F You'll need to create a "generic SCSI device" for it in SYSTARTUP_VMS:   $ run sys$system:sysman & io connect gka101:/driver=sys$gkdriver $ eod   G ...or something similar. Refer to the doc. and the on-line HELP for the 
 exact syntax.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Mar 2004 16:28:38 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)Y Subject: Re: HP Awarded 10 year, $784 Million OpenVMS Services Contract by US Department  = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0403251628.64d306e8@posting.google.com>   v "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<LCm8c.46903$uz5.46121@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>... > N > For every one of HP's like this, Sun has at least 10 and IBM has 20 or more.- > And the o/s'es they have on offer are sh*t.   6 but sun and ibm can sell sh!t because they know how to market it ... :)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:37:06 +0100 0 From: "Jerome" <jeromeatforissierdotorg@no.spam>2 Subject: Re: Is VMS a trademark of HP/COMPAQ/DEC ?7 Message-ID: <fiJ8c.32413$zm5.13591@nntpserver.swip.net>    norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: @ > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote on 03/25/2004 09:39:29 AM:G >> "Daryl Jones" <jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message : >> news:8a646952.0403241402.49286ec7@posting.google.com... >>> To Everyone: >>> ; >>> I am find an increasing number of advertisement for job D >>> opportunities with companies that are using VMS as an acronym in >>> the job listings.  <snip>E >> HP doesn't care is anyone uses VMS in another context. As Mr. Webb * >> points out below, context is important. <snip>B > Even though it's not pronounced that way , it's still officially. > written as "OpenVMS" so there is no problem.  I And according to www.uspto.gov, "VMS" is DEAD, but "OpenVMS" is ALIVE ;-)    Word Mark OPENVMS 4 FIRST USE: 19921116. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19921116 Serial Number 78032586 Filing Date October 26, 2000 Registration Number 2498503 " Registration Date October 16, 2001L Owner (REGISTRANT) Compaq Information Technologies Group, L.P. CPQ Holdings,J Inc., a Delaware corporation PARTNERSHIP TEXAS 20555 State Highway 249 MS: 110701 Houston TEXAS 77070 Prior Registrations 1230863  Type of Mark TRADEMARK Live/Dead Indicator LIVE  
 Word Mark VMS 4 FIRST USE: 19780224. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19780224 Serial Number 73211929 Filing Date April 16, 1979 Registration Number 1230863   Registration Date March 15, 1983J Owner (REGISTRANT) Digital Equipment Corporation CORPORATION MASSACHUSETTS( 146 Main St. Maynard MASSACHUSETTS 01754 Type of Mark TRADEMARK Live/Dead Indicator DEAD# Cancellation Date December 20, 2003    -- Jerome   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:47:41 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>2 Subject: Re: Is VMS a trademark of HP/COMPAQ/DEC ?( Message-ID: <40636F95.C799DFF@istop.com>  
 Jerome wrote:  > Word Mark VMS  > Live/Dead Indicator DEAD% > Cancellation Date December 20, 2003   J Does this mean that HP actively let go of "VMS" ? Or did it just forget to
 renew it ?   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Mar 2004 17:55:46 -0800# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley) & Subject: Re: ITRC - VMS Patch Database= Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0403251755.6f8dab06@posting.google.com>   \ labadie <labadie_g@decus.fr> wrote in message news:<c3u14g$nfv$1@news-reader2.wanadoo.fr>... > dooley wrote: d > > Ouk@netscape.net (Ouk) wrote in message news:<a6a0db3.0403240348.4e8432c7@posting.google.com>... > >  > >>Hi,  > >>D > >>I'm having a few problems using the ITRC site to find the latestF > >>OpenVMS patches for the various versions we run on customer sites.J > >>Apart from the fact that the site appears to have been unavailable forI > >>a good part of the last 48-hours (a 7.3-1 patch search would report a H > >>"System Unavailable" message), some of the information appears to be > >>incorrect. > >>I > >>Does anybody know where I can find a list of released 7.1-2 patches?   > >>B > >>Also the 7.3 Alpha Master ECO List only contains a list of VAXF > >>patches! I've had to browse the entire patch list and sort through > >>which patches are required.  > >>G > >>Can't say I'm too happy with the new Email notifications either - I E > >>had no notification of a new TDF patch released on Friday. Rather I > >>annoying considering daylight savings changes are due to occur in the  > >>UK this weekend. > >> > >>Bah! > >> > >>Ouk. > > I > > For some reason the Sydney Customer Support Centre always seems to be ! > > the best place to find these. % > > http://ftp.support.compaq.com.au/  > > PhilJ > I am more than convinced that the australian site is best, but it is no J > longer updated (October 2003 I think), I do not find a single patch for  > Vms 7.3-2 6 Not everyone is so up-to-date with their vms versions,5 but the original poster was looking for 7.1-2 patches  > I > To David Dachtera: following my request of a dissastisfied customer to  J > HP (who used to say "customer satisfaction" ?), I had emailed yesterday 6 > that I thought Georges P was the one who could help. > G > I think HP has a very simple, not expensive solution to that problem: 8 > 1) update the australian site with the latest patches.9 > 2) say the australian site is THE site for Vms patches.  > C > Suppose the people in comp.os.vms vote for or against this idea ?  > 	 > regards  >  > GerardB The site says that any problems should be reported to MrVMS@hp.com Who is this lucky fellow?  Phil   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Mar 2004 21:44:41 -0800- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) # Subject: Re: ODS-5 after five years = Message-ID: <3ff5fed3.0403252144.7f5dcdaa@posting.google.com>   ~ "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler> wrote in message news:<09f8c2fb91f2f3a78f9047e005b1080f@news.teranews.com>... > 8 > The patch against the GNV version of the code is here: > K > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=2506&atid=302506&fil  > e_id=80795&aid=920330  > I > but I think GNV already includes some changes from the Info-ZIP sources - > so I'll send you separate patches off-list.   A OK.  Thanks.  I hate that there are separate sources now, but the A Info-ZIP members haven't had a whole lot of time for the past few & years.  Hopefully that's changing now.   Hunter   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:57:11 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> 0 Subject: Re: OT: IBM courting MPE/3000 customers' Message-ID: <40632B87.3070303@MMaz.com>    Bob Ceculski wrote:   \ >JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<40628470.E475AF2E@istop.com>... >    > H >>http://www.iseriesnetwork.com/news/nwn/story.cfm?ID=18277&channel=home >>O >>This article popped up when I looked at recent news items about HP. Obviously ) >>biased... but interesting nevertheless.  >>J >>But it has a link to a PDF file showing an ad IBM put in the Wall Street( >>Journal to try to steal MPE customers. >>L >>I suspect similar stuff will happen if HP puts VMS in a dead-end scenario. >>     >> > : >no where close JF ... mpe is NOT VMS!  I was on OS400 and7 >believe me, after putting a vms customer on it for one : >month, they would become very ill!  If IBM would buy VMS,; >then they would get all VMS customers, otherwise, it would < >be very hard ... because right now there is NO substitution	 >for VMS!  >    > I Just curious here, customer as in 'End-User' or 'Admin?'  Presuming that  F the system stays running and the apps are what the End-Users need for G their work and job, the OS and hardware tend to become irrelevant from   the users perspective.    B Now, VMS's strength is dealing with reliability and integrity, no E argument here, and if that is what you are saying, then the point is  I well taken because users will be pissed if there systems are always down   or loosing work.    A Consider this, however, how many new software products are being  G released (or still being maintained) on Windows vs. MPE vs. any flavor  F of *nix vs. VMS because, if the software doesn't exist that the users H need, compromises in hardware and OS must be made, and I firmly believe H that when doubt exists about long term direction of an OS, any OS, then G software developers will look to retarget their products on other OS's  G that have a positive growth path and curve...   Remember the 'Progress  I Rdb & 4GL?'  Haven't been able to get that on VMS for many, many years...     H I don't suppose there are any independent industry analysis of products D released and maintained by OS, is there?  It would be interesting...     Barry    --     >  >    >    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 21:07:07 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>0 Subject: Re: reading VMS backups on UNIX -- HELP6 Message-ID: <40639E5B.191E476F@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Bob Koehler wrote: > C > In article <m2brmnqq9e.fsf@adagio.mit.edu>, vanni@mit.edu writes:  > > : > > Yes, f4 is a UNIX file (OSF1 windsurf V4.0 1229 alpha)4 > > that I extracted from a tape with the DD command* > >      (dd if=/dev/nrmt0h of=f4 bs=8192) > 7 >    There's a very good chance that 8192 is too small.   C The op can use DUMP to examine the saveset and try to determine the 0 /BLOCKSIZE value from the original command line.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:01:07 -0700 , From: "Gavin Jacobs" <notachance@inhell.net> Subject: Refresher card 3 Message-ID: <vpK8c.10478$kc2.244186@nnrp1.uunet.ca>   L I have been away from VMS for over 10 years, but now I find that I will haveK a 1 day project in a few weeks. I need to refresh my memory. Is there a web I page or a PDF with a concise summary of the DCL commands for OpenVMS 6.2?    Gavin    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:42:44 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>  Subject: Re: Refresher card ' Message-ID: <40637C84.2020001@MMaz.com>    Gavin Jacobs wrote:   M >I have been away from VMS for over 10 years, but now I find that I will have L >a 1 day project in a few weeks. I need to refresh my memory. Is there a webJ >page or a PDF with a concise summary of the DCL commands for OpenVMS 6.2? >  >    > ) Here is HP's on-line document references:    http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/  F but I believe 7.2 is the oldest you can 'go-back.'  Perhaps e-mailing H them, the link is on the web page, and they might be able to help you...   Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 21:24:55 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> Subject: Re: Refresher card 6 Message-ID: <4063A287.CA1C4CBC@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Gavin Jacobs wrote:  > N > I have been away from VMS for over 10 years, but now I find that I will haveM > a 1 day project in a few weeks. I need to refresh my memory. Is there a web K > page or a PDF with a concise summary of the DCL commands for OpenVMS 6.2?   < For any version, you only need to remember one command: HELP   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 21:05:00 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>% Subject: Re: Securing files under VMS 6 Message-ID: <40639DDC.4EFF4F45@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:g > X > In article <4062987C.B1746F62@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:N > >> > Unfortunately I didn't make my first post clear enough. What I'm reallyS > >> > looking at are mandatory access controls and audit trails on file access andp > >> > modifications.i > >SN > > You can set a directory's ACL with default ACLs that propagate to any fileQ > > created below. Then, you give users a DCLTABLES.EXE that lacks any command toMG > > set/change a file's ACL or protection and set the protection on theeG > > sys$systemL relevant utilities such that users cannot execute them.- > 9 > That fails against the trivial attack:  $ RUN SYS$INPUT   
 How 'bout:  E o Modify RUN so it requires /DETACH or something else to disable thatN1 attack (without DETACH privilege, it would fail).D  + o Remove RUN from the user's command table.-  * o Use CAPTIVE accounts which prohibit RUN.   -- 0 David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems@ http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/7   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 11:33:24 +0800Y, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>% Subject: Re: Securing files under VMS.- Message-ID: <87y8po1dvf.fsf@prep.synonet.com>9  ) "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> writes:   B > As an additional reference, here is pointer to VMS security home2 > site, which includes pointers to the CDSA doc`s:  1 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/security.htmlt  E Couls someone from VMS product managment be so good as to explain why=D neither VMS Encryption, nor SEVMS are metioned here? God forbid thatC someone might actualy consider buying or using a VMS product. Can'td have that, can we.   -- c< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.F@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Mar 2004 17:50:59 -0800* From: d_cymbal@hotmail.com (Damien Cymbal) Subject: simh and printing= Message-ID: <1b0eb888.0403251750.1f52e752@posting.google.com>    Hi All,o  E Could someone give me the "for dummies" checklist for steps I need to67 take in simh and vms to setup a virtual printer device.s   Thanks.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 00:03:55 +0100L From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>E Subject: Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CDe2 Message-ID: <c3voh0$g6l$1@news3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>  	 Eberhard,   > I used Nero Info Tool to get more information about the drive.  " The following modes are supported:   Packet TAOa DAOb SAO) RAW SAOW RAW DAOa
 RAW SAO 16
 RAW SAO 96
 RAW DAO 16
 RAW DAO 96  F I suppose DAO means Disk At Once, and four types of DAO are supported.   Dirk     Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann wrote:   > Dirk,> > M > but the is no information how the real burning process takes place. What if$ > the>J > track at once option is used only, if disk at once is unsupported by the > drive. > 
 > eberhard   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.168 ************************