1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 27 Mar 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 171       Contents: Re: :-) BOFH needs VMS Re: :-) BOFH needs VMS Re: Alpha sizing for Cerner $ Re: Appending image output to a file Re: CVS on VMS$ DCL minute of the Day: Disks catalog DECwindows, fonts and Mozilla ! Re: DECwindows, fonts and Mozilla  Re: Device names in OVMS ??  Radiator Radius server Re: Securing files under VMS> setting up a DECserver 200 or 250 for LAT service to terminalsB Re: setting up a DECserver 200 or 250 for LAT service to terminalsB Re: setting up a DECserver 200 or 250 for LAT service to terminalsB Re: setting up a DECserver 200 or 250 for LAT service to terminalsB Re: setting up a DECserver 200 or 250 for LAT service to terminals5 Re: TCPIP 5.4 and new shadowing features: ALPHA only? ( VMS 7.3-2 operating-system documentation< Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CD RE: WRONGACP ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 09:52:24 -0600 5 From: "ssj152 \(stuart\)" <ssj152 AT charter DOT net>  Subject: Re: :-) BOFH needs VMS 0 Message-ID: <106b8pis9rob23e@corp.supernews.com>  = "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> wrote in message ( news:40629F3C.13994.44512DC@localhost...1 > On 24 Mar 2004 at 21:00, ssj152 (stuart) wrote:  > G > > Also, why run a vintage game on an emulator if you can do it on the  > > real thing?  > F > Because it's smaller?  More portable?  Takes less power?  Might work& > for another X years on new hardware? >  > --Stan Quayle  > Quayle Consulting Inc. >  > ----------E > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 3 > 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 ? > Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com  >  >   I Stan, you are missing the point - you are trying to be practical. What is " "practical" about running dungeon?  K If you have a retro game and have the real environment to run it on, why go K to the trouble to set up an emulator? Running the thing the way I did years K ago is at least half the fun!! It is also a way for my daughter to see what 2 using "real" computers was like in the "old days".   Wasn't Doc's post great!!    ---------------  Stuart Johnson: // ssj152 (in most timezones, where not prohibited by law)   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2004 16:12:46 -00005 From: "Doc" <doc.cypher {AT} openvms-rocks {DOT} com>  Subject: Re: :-) BOFH needs VMS @ Message-ID: <20040327161057.8B5441AD790@snorky.bananasplit.info>  K On Sat, 27 Mar 2004, "ssj152 \(stuart\)" <ssj152 AT charter DOT net> wrote:    <snip>  L >If you have a retro game and have the real environment to run it on, why goL >to the trouble to set up an emulator? Running the thing the way I did yearsL >ago is at least half the fun!! It is also a way for my daughter to see what3 >using "real" computers was like in the "old days".    Speaking of retro games...  J We've quite a few under the GAMES account on the cluster.  The password is
 PRESSPLAY.     Doc. --  G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. G http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 12:49:43 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>$ Subject: Re: Alpha sizing for Cerner6 Message-ID: <4065CCC7.A7917815@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Mike Naime wrote:  > K > David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message 2 > news:40639D17.BB0ED6C8@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net... > > Mike Naime wrote:  > > > G > > > David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in 	 > message 6 > > > news:406240BC.C2E84C49@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net... > > > > John Smith wrote: 	 > > > > > = > > > > > "Lee Mah" <lytmah@telusplanet.net> wrote in message , > > > > > news:pjO7c.409$wg1.356@edtnps84...& > > > > > > Can you  be more specific?@ > > > > > > Will you be running the Classic or Millennium suite?) > > > > > > What modules are you running? 	 > > > > > N > > > > > Don't know at this time. We're just looking at the different choices > in	 > > > the F > > > > > market right now. The hospital won't open for about 2 years. > > > > B > > > > Think of Cerner Classic the same way you think of Alpha or > OpenVMS-VAX:K > > > > Cerner's big thing is Millennium - that's where THEY want you to go " > > > > (taking a cue from bgINC). > M > > > > Finding a way to make that cost effective will be a challenge, to say  > > > > the least. > > > ! > > > It's called Remote Hosting!  > > 1 > > kc.rr.com, eh? Tell me you work for Cerner...  > > 4 > > > The client pays a Hosting fee and I think theyJ > > > also pick up the Telco costs. (Not sure about that)   It's much more > cost7 > > > effective than buying/hosting your own equipment.  > >  > > ...and then again... > > I > > In our case, the "telco costs" would be for multiple OC3's to provide : > > sufficient bandwidth between the front- and back-ends. > L > I don't know what you are running Dave, but the telco bandwith that we useM > is only front-end to front-end bandwidth.  We host the Citrix farm that the  > client PC's hit.    F Better convert this to a private conversation. Not only could this getF ugly, but the hostpital might not appreciate certain aspects of its IT$ strategies being discussed publicly.  ; > The front-end to back-end traffic is all contained within N > the same Cisco router.  It does not go down the telco pipe!  Smaller clients= > have partial T1 circuits  Not the OC3's that you allude to.   G By "small clients", I assume you may mean 10 PCs or less. Again - let's  discuss this privately.   N > Think of it this way, if you have multiple buildings/floors in your complex.N > How much bandwidth does the average PC need to run his applications?  It's a! > lot less than you might think.    F Our network gurus will probably want to talk to you. We just convertedF to all 100BaseT about two years ago and they're now looking at GigE toF resolve the newest set of problems that have cropped up (mostly Citrix client-to-server issues).    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 18:16:44 +0200 @ From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Veli_K=F6rkk=F6?= <veli.korkko@kolumbus.fi>- Subject: Re: Appending image output to a file 1 Message-ID: <c449ee$hag$1@phys-news1.kolumbus.fi>   G What might be the version of TCPIP stack? I am sort of astonished since D afaik we have the receiver running all the time and receiving mails.  ' To get more interesting logs, please do   3 $ define/system ucx$smtp_log_level 3		!if UCX stack  $ ucx stop mail : $ wait 0::30		!or check that all *SMTP* queues are stopped $ ucx start mail or  & $ define/system tcpip$smtp_log_level 3 $ tcpip stop mail : $ wait 0::30		!or check that all *SMTP* queues are stopped $ tcpip start mail   Then  $ $ [UCX|TCPIP] show service smtp/Full  ! and check contents of log file at   1 	SYS$SYSROOT:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_LOGFILE.LOG;*    or  - 	SYS$SYSROOT:[UCX_SMTP]UCX$SMTP_LOGFILE.LOG;*     G Should contain fair amount of information. If you have multiple queues, ) you will have as many log files to check.    _veli      JF Mezei wrote:   J > A concern of mine is the lack of real logging by the TCPIP SMTP receiverL > image. It is invoked once for each received message and purges its own logM > files. And much of the log file'e contents are crud from DCLs. (and most of N > that DCL should actually run after the image so that senders get the welcome > banner faster).  > H > So, I am considering customizing that command procedure and have a few
 > questions.  F > (Remember that if two people connect at the same time, there are two3 > concurrent images running in separate processes).  >  > if I do the following:1 > $OPEN/WRITE/APPEND/share myoutput MYLOGFILE.LOG 9 > $write myoutput "-------''F$date()' ''F$TIME()'-------" " > $define/user sys$output myoutput! > $define/user sys$error myoutput ) > $run sys$system:tcpip$smtp_receiver.exe  > $! > $write myoutput "the end"  > $close myoutput  >  > What are the "gotcha's" ???? > ^ > I assume that if two instances of it run at the same time, output will be interleaved/mixed. >  > J > Also, at the DCL level, since this process would be started by the TCPIPN > kernel when it receives a call on port 25, are there any logicals that wouldP > allow me to figure out what the remote TCPIP address would be ? I'd like to beA > able to log the remote TCPIP address before invoking the image.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 14:46:11 +0100 7 From: Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl>  Subject: Re: CVS on VMS + Message-ID: <c440j4$nur$1@bozon2.softax.pl>    Keith A. Lewis wrote:  > Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> writes in article <c3n29j$ob2$1@bozon2.softax.pl> dated Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:55:31 +0100: > 	 >>Hi all,  >>J >>I've just built cvs version 1.12.5 on VMS. It works on ODS-5 disks only.1 >>Does anybody know why? Is there any workaround?  >  > @ > At a guess it's because CVS uses several mixed-case filenames. >  > bash-2.05b$ ls CVS* > Base  Baserev  Entries  Repository  Root > I > You might possibly be able to get it working on ODS-2 by changing those F > constants in the source to uppercase.  Personally, I would recommend > migrating to ODS-5.     ! We've decided to do that. Thanks.    >  >  >>I downloaded sources from: >>9 >>http://nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl/openvms/software2.html#cvs  >  > 2 > --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org@ > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 19:36:04 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>- Subject: DCL minute of the Day: Disks catalog . Message-ID: <c44hik$23m5$1@biggoron.nerim.net>  Q I had to look today for a given file on all my disks, and used with pleasure the  M CATALOG procedure I wrote a few years ago. As it may be helpful to others, I   post it in here.   Type @catalog ? for help.  Enjoy.   D.   $!+  $! CATALOG.COMH $! This procedure does a directory of some or all disks of a VMS system,J $! then stores it (one line per file with full path specification) in textO $! files. A SEARCH into these files will at once tell the user if a file exist, @ $! where it is, if there are multiple copies and where they are. $!J $! P1 : file name to search or keyword "REBUILD" to rebuild the "database"B $! P2 : disk to scan (default=DKA0), keyword "ALL" scans all disksK $! P3 : keywork "FULL" will provide a $ DIRE_/SIZE=ALL/DATE/SEC of the file P $! P4 : keyword "EXACT" will search only files having the exact name given in P1 $!O $! By default, all file names containing the string passed in P1 are displayed. B $! The procedure needs the BYPASS privilege to build the database.L $! You should edit the file to change the disks names to your configuration. $! $! <output>  $! file specification  $! $! <side effects> 1 $! creates files CATALOG_'disk'.DAT in SYS$LOGIN.  $!E $! This procedure is a NothingWare product from www.didiermorandi.fr. E $! Feedback and suggestions *warmly* welcomed @ vms@didiermorandi.fr.  $! $! Revision history  $!( $! Version Date        Author     actionO $! ------- ----------- ---------- --------------------------------------------- * $! V1.0-0  11-dec-2001 D. Morandi creation $!- 
 $ set noon $ say = "write sys$output"C $ if p1 .eqs. "" then inq p1 "Enter file name to search (RET=exit)"  $ if p1 .eqs. "" then exit $ p1 = f$edit(p1,"trim,upcase")  $ p2 = f$edit(p2,"trim,upcase")  $ p3 = f$edit(p3,"trim,upcase")  $ p4 = f$edit(p4,"trim,upcase")   $ if p1 .eqs. "?" then goto HELP& $ if p1 .eqs. "REBUILD" then goto 'p1' $ if p2 .eqs. "ALL"  $ then $    location = "all disks" I $    sear_/nohigh/out=sys$login:catalog.temp sys$login:catalog_*.dat 'p1'  $ else5 $    if p2 .eqs. "" then p2 = "DKA0"				!default disk  $    location = p2J $    if f$search("sys$login:catalog_''p2'.dat") .eqs. "" then goto NO_SUCHL $    sear_/nohigh/out=sys$login:catalog.temp sys$login:catalog_'p2'.dat 'p1' $ endif # $ exact_name = f$parse(p1,,,"name") # $ exact_type = f$parse(p1,,,"type")  $ i=0  $ t=0								!deleted files  $ close/nolog ch% $ open/read ch sys$login:catalog.temp  $ say "" $LOOP: $ read/end=EOF ch fileC $ if f$extract(0,2,file) .nes. "DK" then goto LOOP		!filenames only  $ if p4 .eqs. "EXACT"  $ then> $    if f$parse(file,,,"name") .nes. exact_name then goto LOOP# $    if exact_type .nes. "." then - B          if f$parse(file,,,"type") .nes. exact_type then goto LOOP $ endif  $ if p3 .eqs. "" $ then
 $    say file  $    if f$search(file) .eqs. "" 	 $    then L $       say "^-- File has been deleted since last rebuild of disks catalog."
 $       t=t+1 
 $    endif $ endif  $ if p3 .eqs. "FULL" $ then $    if f$search(file) .eqs. "" 	 $    then  $       say fileL $       say "^-- File has been deleted since last rebuild of disks catalog."
 $       t=t+1 	 $    else / $       dire_/siz=all/dat/nohead/notrail 'file' 
 $    endif $ endif  $ i=i+1  $ goto LOOP  $! $EOF: 
 $ close ch  $ dele_ sys$login:catalog.temp;* $ say ""	 $ S = "s"  $ if i .eqs. 1 then S = "": $ say i," occurrence''S' of ",p1," found in ",location,"."	 $ S = "s"  $ if t .eqs. 1 then S = ""@ $ say t," file''S' deleted since last rebuild of disks catalog."' $ if (t .eq. i) .and. (t .ne. 0) then - 9       say "(may I suggest to rebuild the disks catalog?)"  $ say "" $ exit $!	 $REBUILD: 
 $ set noon $ set proc/priv=byp - $ say "rebuilding files catalog for DKA0:..." L $ dire_/col=1/width=file=79/notra/nohea/out=catalog_DKA0.dat DKA0:[*...]*.*; $ if p2 .eqs. "DKA0" then exit/ $ say "rebuilding files catalog for DKA100:..." P $ dire_/col=1/width=file=79/notra/nohea/out=catalog_DKA100.dat DKA100:[*...]*.*;/ $ say "rebuilding files catalog for DKA200:..." P $ dire_/col=1/width=file=79/notra/nohea/out=catalog_DKA200.dat DKA200:[*...]*.*; $ purg_ catalog_dka*.dat $ set proc/priv=nobyp  $ exit $!	 $NO_SUCH: 7 $ say "No database found for disk ",p2," in SYS$LOGIN."  $HELP: $ type sys$input $DECK   8 Syntax is:	$ @catalog <file> [<disk>|ALL] [FULL] [EXACT]   or		$ cat REBUILD    $EOD:  $ exit   --  2 VAXUS - Your new helpful friend in the DEC Family!2 EHQ: 19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France/       Phone: +336 7983 6418 Fax: +335 6154 1928 $                 http://www.vaxus.org   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 12:02:02 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)& Subject: DECwindows, fonts and Mozilla$ Message-ID: <c43qfq$9qf$1@online.de>  D This is a fresh asking of a question I asked about a month ago, but  never got a complete answer to.   G With Mozilla, I want to be able to read web pages in at least a few of  D the ISO-8859-x character sets, with fonts for all the sizes (normal I text, headers etc), shapes (typewriter, italic etc) and strengths (bold,  = normal etc) which I can see when reading pages in ISO-8859-5.   ( I manage to install the following fonts:  ;    http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/download/ucs-fonts.tar.gz   F which I put in [VMS$COMMON.SYSFONT.DECW.USER_COMMON].  This made some H characters visible which were not visible before, but a) not all and b) E only in one size, shape and strength.  I got started on this path by   reading   5    http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113442   + I then installed some additional fonts from   7    http://czyborra.com/charsets/iso8859.html#ISO-8859-2   C and this allowed a few missing characters to be displayed properly.   E What I want to avoid is continuing by trial and error and installing  H many more fonts than I need to.  Ultimately, I would like to understand I explicitly how Mozilla converts (implicit) requests for fonts of various  A sizes, shapes and strenghts to a request for a font somewhere in  H [VMS$COMMON.SYSFONT...] but for now it would be enough if someone could G point me to a (set of) .BDF files(s) which I could install in order to   get the results I want.    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 12:55:59 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)* Subject: Re: DECwindows, fonts and Mozilla$ Message-ID: <c43tku$ck4$1@online.de>  D In article <c43qfq$9qf$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de3 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:    F > This is a fresh asking of a question I asked about a month ago, but ! > never got a complete answer to.  > I > With Mozilla, I want to be able to read web pages in at least a few of  F > the ISO-8859-x character sets, with fonts for all the sizes (normal K > text, headers etc), shapes (typewriter, italic etc) and strengths (bold,  ? > normal etc) which I can see when reading pages in ISO-8859-5.  > * > I manage to install the following fonts: > = >    http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/download/ucs-fonts.tar.gz  > H > which I put in [VMS$COMMON.SYSFONT.DECW.USER_COMMON].  This made some J > characters visible which were not visible before, but a) not all and b) G > only in one size, shape and strength.  I got started on this path by  	 > reading  > 7 >    http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113442   I I pretty much followed these instructions directly.  However, I see that  G the link from cam.ac.uk above contains a lot of other stuff, including  E perl scripts and make files.  PERHAPS executing these would solve my  	 problems.   I Does anyone know enough unix/perl as well as DECwindows/Mozilla stuff to   tell?   8 Could someone translate the stuff to a BUILD_IT_ALL.COM?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 18:09:13 +0200 @ From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Veli_K=F6rkk=F6?= <veli.korkko@kolumbus.fi>$ Subject: Re: Device names in OVMS ??1 Message-ID: <c4490b$gms$1@phys-news1.kolumbus.fi>   B yes, MKH300 and GKH500 would be expected. And it appears that you @ library might as well be e.q. TL891 or TL881 since those scsi idA assignements are typical for said library. I have myself one such  in production.  ? Some older libraries like TZ877 and like have the controller or ? robotics sharing same scsi id as tape drive but whilst drive is @ at LUN 0, SUBLUN 0, the robotics is at LUN 0, SUBLUN 1, i.e with+ say TZ877 you might have MKH300 and GKH301.    _veli   
 Ananth wrote:  > Hi,  > # > Thanks a lot for all the replies.  > E > I need some more clarification. I have an Autoloader, which has one G > scsi tape drive with scsi id 3, and the controller with scsi id 5, in B > this case what will be the last digits( numerical digits) of the > device names?  > @ > As per my analysis, tape devices last digits should be 300 and> > controllers device name's last digits should be 500. Is this > understanding is correct? D > Hence device name for tape would be MKH300 and controller would be	 > GKH500.  >   > Please let me know ur views... >  > Thanks and Regards > Ananth   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2004 10:10:14 -08004 From: francesco.gennai@iat.cnr.it (Francesco Gennai) Subject: Radiator Radius server < Message-ID: <72f5654.0403271010.4871d999@posting.google.com>  B Is there someone on this newsgroup that has successfully installed# Radiator Radius server on OpenVMS ? $ ( http://www.open.com.au/radiator/ )  E I would have on overview about such experience before to start with a  new installation.   : It could involve the installation of some perl modules too (net_ssleay, ...).  	 Francesco    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 09:45:27 -0500 . From: Glenn Everhart <Everhart-nospam@gce.com>% Subject: Re: Securing files under VMS 3 Message-ID: <406593c8$0$3042$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>   > Protecting devices is a technique that has long been underused in getting VMS files protected. ? There were a number of other possibilities introduced in Safety > (file passwords, files that would open as a different file for? the unauthorized, max privs allowed for opening a file) and the B subsystem facilities in VMS are a kind of protection not generally known elsewhere.  @ CDSA seems to be about cryptography. Safety is more about havingC the machine use ALL it can find out about a request before deciding @ whether to grant it. I am putting complete safety source code onA the Fall 2003 sigtapes (which are now complete but I have to make E a bunch of copies and send before announcing with the abstract). Even E the partially worked stuff will be there for create security control, J softlink of directory, NT type acl support (more or less; I never bothered@ trying to use the same bits they did, just handled the differentD semantics NT uses, which differ somewhat from those of VMS). Most ofC the stuff has been published on older tapes (cds, actually: haven't  used tape for some years now).  D There are some other 3rd party addins for VMS that also do squirrely> things. VMS makes a good system to base such add-ins on, sinceB the underlying system is solidly built. You don't build on sand asG you do with other OSs, where fundamental holes elsewhere can completely ) vitiate your efforts to control accesses.   B If you have a mandatory security type problem, though, have a lookA at device ACLs and possibly virtual disks with them (and fddriver @ supports an encrypted virtual disk if you want one). Device aclsB act as a sort of mandatory protection in that a process that can't? get to a device can't get to files on the device, regardless of B how those files are protected by file protections. Some situations: where only a coarse grained mandatory protection is needed can be handled that way.  A SEVMS is an interesting case. As I believe, it got retired due to ? lack of sales, but most or all of the code may still be in VMS. A Do current versions have the SEVMS bits buried in there somewhere < to be turned on if need be? The privilege stuff is certainly? defined. I just don't know...but it seems worth while to let it @ be part of the base product rather than to be abandonned totally other things being equal.    Glenn Everhart       John Smith wrote:   ; > "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message ) > news:87y8po1dvf.fsf@prep.synonet.com...  > + >>"Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> writes:  >> >>C >>>As an additional reference, here is pointer to VMS security home 3 >>>site, which includes pointers to the CDSA doc`s:  >>2 >>>http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/security.html >>G >>Couls someone from VMS product managment be so good as to explain why F >>neither VMS Encryption, nor SEVMS are metioned here? God forbid thatE >>someone might actualy consider buying or using a VMS product. Can't  >>have that, can we. >  >  > M > And while they're explaining why VMS Encryption and SEVMS aren't mentioned, D > could they also take a nano-second or two to explain why VMS isn't
 > advertised?  >  >    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 11:46:58 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)G Subject: setting up a DECserver 200 or 250 for LAT service to terminals $ Message-ID: <c43pji$88g$1@online.de>  E I have some old terminal servers DECserver 200 and or 250 and/or the  H "MC" variant.  I have a cluster of ALPHA and VAX machines and routinely C use LAT in SET HOST/LAT.  I want to connect VT320 terminals to the  G terminal server such that when I hit RETURN a couple of times, I get a  H login prompt for one of the machines in the cluster OR I get a terminal H server prompt where I can explicitly connect to one of the nodes in the  cluster.  B I don't think it's relevant, but at the moment there is no DECnet  running in the cluster.   H As far as the hardware goes, presumably I just connect the terminals to G the terminal server with serial cables, and the terminal server to the  G LAN.  What do I need to do in terms of software: installation, setting  4 parameters, defining/executing stuff during startup.  I If it's not too much trouble, I might want to connect up an LN03 as well  $ and be able to print from all nodes.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 13:28:57 +0100 , From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>K Subject: Re: setting up a DECserver 200 or 250 for LAT service to terminals : Message-ID: <c43s2k$2ctdoe$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>  L "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>1 schreef in bericht news:c43pji$88g$1@online.de... F > I have some old terminal servers DECserver 200 and or 250 and/or theI > "MC" variant.  I have a cluster of ALPHA and VAX machines and routinely D > use LAT in SET HOST/LAT.  I want to connect VT320 terminals to theH > terminal server such that when I hit RETURN a couple of times, I get aI > login prompt for one of the machines in the cluster OR I get a terminal I > server prompt where I can explicitly connect to one of the nodes in the 
 > cluster. > K IIRC the 250 had parallel ports for printers as well as DB25 connectors for G serial ports. The 200 has 8 serial serial lines, DB25 for the MC model,  DEC423 for the DL.  F The DEFINE PORT <n> PREFERRED SERVICE <service-name>  command lets youL define a LAT service to connect to. All you need is tap the RETURN key a fewB times to get the Local> prompt and type CONNECT (C is sufficient).  J If you want to connect immediately to that service then you'd also need toJ DEFINE PORT <n> AUTOCONNECT ENABLE. That way the terminal behaves as if it/ was wired to a multiplexer (e.g. DMF-32, DZ-11) J The DECserver learns all service names and the CONNECT <service-name> letsE you connect to another service, other than a preferred service. It is H possible to lock a user to an autoconnected, preferred service. IIRC youL disable the BREAK attribute for that port (may be set the BREAK character to <none>).- The HELP facility is quite useful on a DS200.   C > I don't think it's relevant, but at the moment there is no DECnet  > running in the cluster.   G Correct. The DS200 and 250 only talk LAT and MOP to download the system  image.   > I > As far as the hardware goes, presumably I just connect the terminals to H > the terminal server with serial cables, and the terminal server to theH > LAN.  What do I need to do in terms of software: installation, setting6 > parameters, defining/executing stuff during startup.  K The DS200 loads an image when powered up. The image is called PS0801ENG.SYS I or PR0801ENG.SYS and is available on the VMS FREEWARE cd's. Generally the G image lives in MOM$LOAD, which is a system logical name that points to:   0    "MOM$LOAD" = "MOM$SYSTEM:" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)? 1  "MOM$SYSTEM" = "SYS$SYSROOT:[MOM$SYSTEM]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)    Next steps:    $ mc ncp& ncp> define circ sva-0 service enabled ncp> set circ sva-0 state off # ncp> set circ sva-0 service enabled  ncp> set circ sva-0 state on  H This works best with LAT or TELNET terminals and is somewhat troublesome with CTERM links :-)   > J > If it's not too much trouble, I might want to connect up an LN03 as well& > and be able to print from all nodes. >   K The printer port must be configured DEFINE PORT <n> TYPE HARD ACCESS REMOTE 6 IIRC you also need to set QUEUE ENABLED for that port.B On the VMS system you must create an LTA device that points to theH DECserver. The printer queue needs the LATsymbiont. MC LATCP HELP CREATE  PORT EXAMPLES is pretty helpful.  I Phillip, all this is from memory. Be warned: my hairs are turning grey at ? high speed and I haven't seen a real DS200 since 2002. YMMV :-)    Hans   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 12:15:42 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGK Subject: Re: setting up a DECserver 200 or 250 for LAT service to terminals 0 Message-ID: <00A2F753.C84ABCB7@SendSpamHere.ORG>  w In article <c43pji$88g$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: F >I have some old terminal servers DECserver 200 and or 250 and/or the I >"MC" variant.  I have a cluster of ALPHA and VAX machines and routinely  D >use LAT in SET HOST/LAT.  I want to connect VT320 terminals to the H >terminal server such that when I hit RETURN a couple of times, I get a I >login prompt for one of the machines in the cluster OR I get a terminal  I >server prompt where I can explicitly connect to one of the nodes in the  	 >cluster.  > C >I don't think it's relevant, but at the moment there is no DECnet   >running in the cluster. > I >As far as the hardware goes, presumably I just connect the terminals to  H >the terminal server with serial cables, and the terminal server to the H >LAN.  What do I need to do in terms of software: installation, setting 5 >parameters, defining/executing stuff during startup.  > J >If it's not too much trouble, I might want to connect up an LN03 as well % >and be able to print from all nodes.   I Connect the terminal to the TS.  Make sure you've loaded LAT on the Alpha 6 and VAX and that incoming LAT connections are enabled.  I If you want the LN03 connected, you need to setup the port it will be on  H to have REMOTE access.  Establish the appropriate paramters to the LN03.I On the VAX and Alpha, you need to create a LAT port and associate it with G the TS port that the LN03 is connected.  The easiest way is to define a G service name on the TS and use it.  There are examples for creating and 7 associating the ports in SYS$MANAGER:LAT$SYSTARTUP.COM   --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 12:19:33 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)K Subject: Re: setting up a DECserver 200 or 250 for LAT service to terminals $ Message-ID: <c43rgl$9qf$4@online.de>  9 In article <00A2F753.C84ABCB7@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-   @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:   K > Connect the terminal to the TS.  Make sure you've loaded LAT on the Alpha 8 > and VAX and that incoming LAT connections are enabled.  G Presumably, that is the case since SET HOST/LAT works from any node to   any other node, right?  H That's it?  What about the terminal server: where does it boot from and . do I have to do anything to enable it to boot?  K > If you want the LN03 connected, you need to setup the port it will be on  J > to have REMOTE access.  Establish the appropriate paramters to the LN03.K > On the VAX and Alpha, you need to create a LAT port and associate it with I > the TS port that the LN03 is connected.  The easiest way is to define a I > service name on the TS and use it.  There are examples for creating and 9 > associating the ports in SYS$MANAGER:LAT$SYSTARTUP.COM     OK, I'll have a look, thanks.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 15:04:57 +0100 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> K Subject: Re: setting up a DECserver 200 or 250 for LAT service to terminals : Message-ID: <c442f7$2f0h9b$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>  ( On 2004-03-27 13:28, "Hans Vlems" wrote:   > [...]  > H > The DEFINE PORT <n> PREFERRED SERVICE <service-name>  command lets you'                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ N > define a LAT service to connect to. All you need is tap the RETURN key a fewD > times to get the Local> prompt and type CONNECT (C is sufficient). > L > If you want to connect immediately to that service then you'd also need toL > DEFINE PORT <n> AUTOCONNECT ENABLE. That way the terminal behaves as if it1 > was wired to a multiplexer (e.g. DMF-32, DZ-11) L > The DECserver learns all service names and the CONNECT <service-name> letsG > you connect to another service, other than a preferred service. It is J > possible to lock a user to an autoconnected, preferred service. IIRC you@            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  * That's called a "dedicated service", IIRC.  N > disable the BREAK attribute for that port (may be set the BREAK character to
 > <none>)./ > The HELP facility is quite useful on a DS200.   J Not until the software has been loaded via a MOP request from the LAN. ;-)   > [...]  > M > The DS200 loads an image when powered up. The image is called PS0801ENG.SYS K > or PR0801ENG.SYS and is available on the VMS FREEWARE cd's. Generally thenI > image lives in MOM$LOAD, which is a system logical name that points to:r > 2 >    "MOM$LOAD" = "MOM$SYSTEM:" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)A > 1  "MOM$SYSTEM" = "SYS$SYSROOT:[MOM$SYSTEM]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)   F At least with several VMS versions on VAX there has been an additional% translation: SYS$SYSROOT:[DECSERVER].f   > [...]V   Michael    -- C; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers.p@ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:47:54 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)> Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.4 and new shadowing features: ALPHA only?0 Message-ID: <newscache$ffx8vh$v9k$1@news.sil.at>  w In article <c40kh1$j8b$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:(F >In article <newscache$cpw4vh$ol9$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at% >(Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: e >wz >> In article <c3jqb9$g7v$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:K >> >Am I correct in assuming that TCPIP 5.4 and the new shadowing features aK >> >introduced with 7.3-2 are and at least for the foreseeable future will tA >> >be only for ALPHA (and perhaps for Itanium, but not for VAX)?n >>   >> It seems so.r. >> I'm not aware of any plans before VMS V8.2,2 >> but I like to be proofed wrong in this case ;-) >Q >What do you expect with 8.2?8   What I heard so far is,n? it should bring feature parity for VAX, Alpha and Itanic again.a	 We'll see    -- / Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERt% Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 11:50:31 +0000 (UTC)tP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)1 Subject: VMS 7.3-2 operating-system documentation"$ Message-ID: <c43pq7$88g$2@online.de>  I Is this correct: there are two CDs of documentation (excluding the 3 CDs  H of documentation for the layered products which shipped around the same B time) for the VMS 7.3-2 operating-system, one for VMS and one for E Windows.  Despite the label printed on the CD (NOT the actual volume sG label) which contains "_2", there is only 1 VMS 7.3-2 operating-system 7 for reading on VMS machines.  = While I'm thinking about it: is there ANY chance to have new r0 documentation available in BOOKREADER (as well)?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 09:18:14 -0500y. From: Glenn Everhart <Everhart-nospam@gce.com>E Subject: Re: WARNING: cdrecord changes total block size value on a CD 3 Message-ID: <40658d67$0$3054$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>.   Mark Berryman wrote: > Dirk Munk wrote: > J >> I found the page where I read that the LD device should be in multiple " >> of 96 blocks. This is the link: >>' >> http://www.djesys.com/vms/cdrom.htmls >>F >> However the more important bit for this thread is that CD-ROMS for G >> OpenVMS must have a size that is multiple of 24 blocks. This is the a7 >> full text on the matter of LD and CD-ROM disk sizes:p >>V >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------=  >> >>+ >> Creating the Logical Disk Container FileP >>H >> There are 2048 disk blocks in a megabyte. A full 650 MB CD-ROM would # >> represent 1,331,200 disk blocks.  >>I >> The size of your Logical Disk container file MUST be a multiple of 96  3 >> blocks. This satisfies three important criteria:O >> >>E >>     * The geometry of Logical Disk container files results in the @I >> number of blocks being calculated as multiples of 32: LD devices have 8I >> a geometry of 32 sectors, 1 "head" (track) and a number of cylinders. n+ >> Thus, there are 32 blocks in a cylinder.  >>G >>     *   The geometry of CD-ROMs on OpenVMS results in the number of mI >> blocks being calculated as multiple of 24: CD devices have a geometry  E >> of 4 sectors, 6 "heads" (tracks) and a number of cylinders. Thus,  % >> there are 24 blocks in a cylinder.e >>I >>     *   The "common denominator" between 24 and 32 is 96: both 24 and nD >> 32 are evenly divisible by 8, 3*8 and 4*8, respectively. 3*4=12, H >> therefore, 12*8 = 96. Any multiple of 96 is evenly divisible by both 
 >> 24 and 32.  >>T >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------  >  >  > K > Whether this information was once true or not is unknown to me but it is hI > not true any longer.  LD devices today use variable geometry depending oJ > on the total size of the disk and the geometry of CD drives varies from K > model to model.  I have LD devices with a geometry of 4 sectors/track by oK > 6 tracks/cylinder and some with 32 sectors and 32 tracks, etc.  I have a  > > SCSI CD drive on one system that uses 8 sectors/track and 4 I > tracks/cylinder but the IDE CD drive reports 255 sectors/track and 255 WG > tracks/cylinder.  Just for a change of pace, my DVD drive reports 63 t' > sectors/track and 16 tracks/cylinder.o > G > With all of the CDs and DVDs I have burned, I have never once had to  E > worry about the LD device block size being a multiple of any value.- >  > Mark Berrymann > < Same is true of VD units. I have seen these "error" messages; many times, but since the filestructure is always contained > entirely in the blocks actually present, they don't matter and= cause no problems. (With vddriver, the geometry gets assignede= in the asnvd program. I probably ought to go retrofit it withf9 the same algorithm dkdriver uses but it is easy enough tog@ just specify your own geometry if you are willing to do a little  playing with the numeric values.   Glenn Everhart   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 05:53:27 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>v Subject: RE: WRONGACP ?e9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIIECDDAAA.tom@kednos.com>s     -----Original Message-----@   From: Michael Moroney [mailto:moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com]&   Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 1:11 PM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com-   Subject: Re: WRONGACP ?e    '   "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:S    E   >     Did you ever finish the mount?  I don't think anal/disk worksi   >     on unmounted volumes.s   >D(   >Wouldn't mount, foreign or otherwise.  % FREJA> mount/noassist  $7$DKA100: usrkG %MOUNT-F-DEVBUSYMOU, mount or dismount in progress on device, MOU$ lockt failuren    K   What error do you get when you issue a $ MOUNT /NOASSIST $7$DKA100: label D   command?  This may at least tell you what is wrong with the drive.  D   Anyway, ANALYZE/DISK requires the drive to be mounted, but I wouldF   not expect a WRONGACP message.  (and in fact, trying it on unmountedB   and mounted foreign drives does give different correct messages)   --   -MikeT     ---w(   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B   Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004   ---c& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.171 ************************